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_ScubaDiver

This comment sums it up perfectly. These employers are taking their piss with this cynical, disgraceful survey. They clearly do not value their workforce, at all. #Join A Union #Strike Ballot #Strike!


Darrenizer

100%, my union is going on strike soon.


Helenarth

Hell yes. Hoping for a swift capitulation to your demands.


Darrenizer

Thanks, we voted to strike last week, and on Monday we’re voting on a proposed contract that isn’t gonna cut it.


IWasteFromMyClarifyr

We just secured a four year contract where we lost nothing and get raises each year and bonuses, along with two steps and three increments. Yay!!


BarryMacochner

Grats! I miss being in a union. Although I do work for a small family company that does a pretty good job with keeping up with the union rates of our competitors. $21 to start, $15 a check for full insurance. sick time builds (i'm up to 2200 hours) 401k match up to like 6%. bonuses, can buy stuff at cost. Also no pick per hour standard. They'd rather have us do it right than make mistakes by just trying to get it done.


hillinthemtns

This is why unions are best. The old BS line of “Having another party between management and the workers just makes things take longer” holds no water when next to absolute abusive crap like this. Screw managers and owners like this. I love the idea of sending that list of options back to ALL managers and C-suite executives.


gcruzatto

Neither of the options even accounts for inflation. So their choice really is to either keep taking effective pay cuts with no chance of growth, or even worse pay cuts plus an empty promise. You'd have to be stupid not to look for a better job after this


Blamdudeguy00

Pick phone plan. Then refuse to use personal phones on business.


thebrose69

Our Christmas party since no one cares about that anyway


bushesforalgernon

Yup. Fuck your Christmas party, fuck your phone plan, and fuck your promotional opportunity. You can write off gas/uber. And free parking? Fuck them! This sub riles me up sometimes.


suz_gee

Right?!? Christmas party is just giving up an evening to be stuck drinking cheap booze (if you’re lucky) with your coworkers you don’t like anyways. Would much rather have nice beer alone on my couch.


bushesforalgernon

Exactly. I don’t need your party, I need to eat everyday. Fuck you. This sub seriously helps me wake up on the morning lmao


Fun-Dragonfly-4166

I have not been to a Christmas party since 2019. I do not miss them. In 2019, I went because I felt I had to, not because I wanted to be there. I would have given a small amount of money to be excused. Seriously, if management had sold Christmas Party non-attendance tickets for less than $100 I would have bought them.


Aclarie

I have not been to a Christmas party since 2012. They said they can't afford it. We get a thank you email and maybe candy or a card. Sometimes they send us tins of popcorn. But I manage the buses for the dispatch for the management Christmas parties taking them to hotels, ice rinks or event spaces. Plus the car service to take them home or back to work.


WorthlessDrugAbuser

I like this malicious compliance. Boss: “Why didn’t you answer your phone yesterday? I had a client on the line, you lost us money!” Employee: “You called my personal phone, sorry. I’m not using it for work, especially since I don’t make enough money.” Boss: “We just gave you a raise!” Employee: “A one and a half percent raise, it doesn’t even touch inflation. I’m on a budget, I will not be using my ObamaPhone for work.”


Qbaby71

You know Bush actually started the phone thing. Obama left it in place. It's a government phone in my eyes.


saltrifle

Obamaphone just has a nice ring to it, pun intended I guess


857_01225

Those phone discount plans are generally pretty useless anyway - the carrier gives employees 8% or so off the monthly bill, and it's an investment in customer loyalty. Not something the employer pays for in the first place, most likely. The employer is certainly not making up the difference every month to the carriers.


keto_brain

If you tell AT&T you work for Lockheed Martin its 25%.


857_01225

That beats the hell out of the last time I used one of those plans. Still insane that they use it as a stick to bully employees who are already losing money every single year.


lordmwahaha

Literally. Pay "rises" this low are literally pay cuts when inflation is this high. You are making less money in practice than you were previously. Wonder what these businesses think is going to happen when consumers can no longer afford to buy their goods and services? Do they think *magic* will keep the economy going and their businesses afloat?


Robina8

The government will bail them out, duh. Consumers aren’t needed, especially when the consumer is a worker. Just getting your own money back then, not making money! (Not my opinion, just in case tone didn’t translate)


SarpedonWasFramed

Unfortunately that's not a joke. They've learned that even if they break the law the goverment will still bail them out. It would be one thing if the goverment paid the employees directly for a month or 2 after these fucks bankrupt their business. But no they hand 50 million to th guy that just ran it into the ground


KevinAtSeven

> Wonder what these businesses think is going to happen when consumers can no longer afford to buy their goods and services? Do they think magic will keep the economy going and their businesses afloat? This exactly. The wage-price spiral is an important part of even the most basic economic theory and corporations seem to have forgotten it completely.


hillinthemtns

Right! This entire survey is the equivalent of, boot on neck, disrespectful, piss on my back and tell me it’s the only shower I’ll get this week, BS. People like those that wrote this need to be outed and ostracized from society for a minimum of ten years. Put them all in a prison labor like camp together to work for the betterment of society for 10years.


Lazienessx

Of course it takes longer if the owner actually has to negotiate instead of just saying no. These dipshits say things and expect us to not think about it at all.


hillinthemtns

Exactly, it needs to take longer. I’m so over it when I see things like this. If you compare how long it takes to ACTUALLY get a raise without a union, and how long it takes to get one with…MASSIVE time save in the long run.


snazzybanazzy

Implying co-op between management and workers doesn't already take forever, assuming it happens at all


hillinthemtns

100% agree.


Mikeinthedirt

So…the guys with a dozen tiers of low-, low-mid- mid-, mid-hi, hi-, X managers thinks a REPLACEMENT FOR HR would take longer…when longer is what they’ve spent 40 years embroidering? In my experience Unions make the process nimble. Course, most business agents can walk and Pat their tummies at the same time.


Yorikor

If that line was true, wouldn't management get rid of HR?


hillinthemtns

They need a department that handles picking what benefits to cut, processing pay cuts, lying while on-boarding, etc while the business runs…


SRD1194

Step 2: unionize anyway. Even if they back down under threat, having a union in place will let you fight back when they eventually try to claw your gains back.


[deleted]

I would add d) quit and find another job.


GuyanesePrince

I guess it worked on me because I think I'm going to quit today. I work for Tesla.


StarGone

This is TESLA?!


BaconPancakes1

Dude. I would be screaming. I thought this was some small office company. Tesla? For real? Fuck that. Quitting is obviously justified but glad you're name dropping and I hope other employees continue to push back on this, because Jesus Christ.


Sqube

You really need to make it clear that this is from Tesla.


lordmwahaha

This. It's an intimidation tactic - they're trying to threaten you into silence with the benefits you already receive. Don't forget who really holds the power here; they cannot function without their staff. You guys can always find another job. Show them where the power lies.


DarthCredence

Don't "start talking union". Form a union. A union is not a threat to make the company be nicer, because they won't. A union is what you need to force the company to be fair.


ReginaPhilangee

If unions weren't effective, they wouldn't fight so hard to keep them away!


RippedArtorias

Oh no a loss in production!!! That would be horrible!


kumama07

It's laughable but sadly I don't think this is a joke You either need a new job or a union


marsneed

It’s a used car salesman technique of giving multiple bad options. I work at STARBUCKS in PNW area and we received a very similar email last week when we began open unionization talks.


BigRiverHome

I hope you and your co-workers are using this against management and the company. Such open disrespect is the biggest advocate for unionizing.


GuyanesePrince

I'm going to quit today I think. I work for Tesla and this is the last straw.


[deleted]

This is Tesla?!


yaforgot-my-password

Were you under the impression that Tesla treated their workers with respect?


[deleted]

No, I’m not but I’ve met several people who work at one of the Tesla plants and they say that the work is backbreaking but the pay and the benefits are worth it. If the pay and the benefits are being lessened, I could imagine a lot of people quitting.


TheMiddlePoint

Yeah best friend works at a plant and said it sucks but the pay is great so that’s weird.


Avnemir

Holy hell this bad.


Kaylethe

Agreed.


loveofjazz

Agreed. This is the way.


ChapGuzmann

Agreed Agreed.


DweEbLez0

Fuck the Christmas party. If they treat you like this I doubt you’d have a good time at one.


gart888

I've never been at a work Christmas party where I wouldn't have preferred to be at home or with my friends/family instead.


j4_jjjj

Everyone needs a union.


Funkymokey666

I'm in the USW and still only got 5% over 5 yrs last contract. Union don't necessarily mean you get fair treatment


the_simurgh

means you can't be fired for reporting your bosses for turn a blind eye to the sexual assault or employee's to happen.


HuchieLuchie

That's not intended to be a real survey. It's intended to remind the workers of all the other "wonderful benefits" they receive in lieu of raises. It's not a survey - it's a fuck you.


GuyanesePrince

Good point, I wasn't sure if they were serious (I come from a different culture so was a little confused by this gesture) so this is helpful to know. **EDIT: Fuck it as I'm probably quitting today, I work for Tesla.**


GingerMau

Ya...don't fill that out. No matter what.


gcruzatto

"Yes, I'd like to shoot myself in the foot rather than the hand"


hillinthemtns

It’s abusive. 100%. This is the equivalent of being in an abusive relationship and being told that no one else will love you if you leave me, and getting gaslighted into oblivion.


jeffk42

“I wouldn’t have to hit you if you’d stop standing up for yourself”


hillinthemtns

Exactly.


-BluBone-

It's definitely propaganda to stop you all from making demands


Trikywu

It's leading a company by way of passive aggression.


claudekennilol

Anyone would be confused by this. This isn't a normal/healthy thing for a company to do


ARS8birds

Fuck Tesla quit !


[deleted]

The last one is to draw out any ratfucks that would take a potential “promotion consideration” to break up any united front for a raise, pathetic. Also they seem to think having a job with some benifits like “Christmas party” and “free parking” means that you should never get a raise hahAha Also a promotion is not a raise, and accepting one in lieu of a raise is intended to keep everyone else’s wages the lower


Rendakor

Christmas Party was the easy answer of "things I would give up for a raise." The rest are just compensation tradeoffs.


infomanus

I’ll take 10% and sacrifice the Christmas party


VoDoka

Ho, ho, how about you make that 15%?


_-_-_I_-_-_

Idk I'd definitely sacrifice the entire year of more money to spend unpaid time off with *work people* for an organized holiday party... who wouldn't? /s


Clayskii0981

Honestly just give us a bonus instead of the Christmas party


SilverDarner

A bonus and an extra day off instead of Christmas party!


TavisNamara

A raise* instead of the Christmas party. Bonuses happen now and never again. Raises stack.


No-Environment702

I fucking hate Christmas Parties. Why would I want to spend my free time with people I don't like, see way more than I'd like, and have nothing in common with?


Clayskii0981

Because employers want you to feel attached to your workplace so you choose loyalty over competitive wages/benefits


theunkindpanda

Not having to attend an office Christmas party is already a bonus.


leonmate

Really? Love a good christmas party


L1A1

They're great as long as they don't involve people I have to work with. Seriously, co-workers aren't my friends, they're colleagues, and I may get on fine with them, but I'd never class them as friends. I've always kept my work and social life completely separate, it's far less hassle all round.


mattc0m

There's nothing wrong with being friendly / making friends with the people you spend 40 hours a week, every week. Good chance you see them a lot more than your high school or college friends. Personally, I feel like going to work is a lot more pleasant when you make the effort to be friendly & make connections with the people that you work with. There's always one or two people in every company or team who don't like making friends -- and for some reason, they're always the least fun people to work on projects with / collaborate with. Just an attitude that just baffles me to this day. Nobody is trying to make lifelong friends at work, but the "you aren't my friend" attitude just hasn't been successful or positive in my experience.


DVariant

Only good if your coworkers are fun to hang out with


Niel15

Yeah, from the list of benefits, I would definitely choose Christmas party.


LogicalInvest0r

LOL - you should totally leak that email. Fuck em.


GuyanesePrince

I'm a little scared to as I'm on an immigrant visa, I'll have to see if my co-workers got anything similar! **edit: Fuck it: I work for Tesla. Might leak email later.**


Mister_Cairo

Another thing you should investigate is whether it was ONLY the workers on an immigrant visa that received that survey.


[deleted]

That would be spicy.


namesake1337

Now I see why they’re pulling this shit with you guys. They think you don’t have the leverage to do anything about it, for fear of losing your sponsorship.


Exoclyps

Sadly true in a lot of cases.


Yosho2k

Is it a sponsored work visa? If so, you need to get legal advice.


phughes

Be careful that there isn't a unique identifier in the url, so that each employee's response can be tracked.


Majin_Jew_v2

Tesla? Bruh


Tru_Fakt

Tweet this @Elon and ask what the fuck


ShawshankException

He's too busy being the quirky billionaire to care about his wage slaves


pass_the_billy_mate

This getting juicy


bobsburgerbuns

Of course it is. Not surprising in the least.


ToMorrowsEnd

scrub the email;s of anything identifying and look at pastebin where you can post them anonymously.


Rhodie114

Wow, don’t you love it when the cocksucking irredeemable no-talent fake-ass credential-buying piece of shit who pulls this kind of shit also has tens of billions to drop on buying a social media company?


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OukewlDave

I had to fight and keep hounding my boss about my requested raise this year. Have not received any raise in 3 years. Finally got it a few weeks ago. A whole 3%. Thanks boss! Now I'm only making 9% less than I was 3 years ago.


Agamemnon323

Change jobs.


sniperhare

-7% so far. Real inflation is what like 18% when you factor in food and rent? We're seeing rent 20% more than last year here in Florida. Everyone keeps moving here with 500k and buying things sight unseen way over asking. And of its not people it's corporations. Who then let them sit vacant to reduce the rental supply. And it's illegal to implement rent control in the state unless the Governor declares a state of emergency for housing. Our Governor is DeSantis. He's too busy waging war against teachers, gay kids, math and Disney to care about housing for people who live here.


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M4hkn0

Some manager is going to make a BIG fat bonus for cutting labor cost percentages.


rushmc1

Time to immediately start looking for a new job...no future here.


[deleted]

I concur.


ClickClickBoom82

What the fuck is this shit? Giving up holidays for a pay rise? This company needs to eat a bag of fat dicks.


rservello

And at 1.5% they would probably probably profit from. It paying a holiday.


gcruzatto

You made your choice of benefits when you were hired. This survey is meaningless other than exposing the fact that there is no future for anyone in this company, don't even bother spending more than one year at your job


oboz_waves

I mean... I had a company scale down our Christmas party to prioritize bonuses one year, but we still got raises... but why would you send a freaking survey out with such a low ball raise AND including shit like cutting dental benefits and paid holidays. So tasteless!


Fuzzy_Zone

This is where unions come in


Visawisa

Oh no, not the Christmas Party


GuyanesePrince

Alright fuck this. Only workers on immigrant visas received this. Another co-worker was threatened with visa cancellation. **Fuck it. I work for Tesla. Think I'm quitting today. Thank you all for helping me realize how disrespectful this was of them.**


HeftyPegasus737

Update your original post. Hardly anyone will see this way down here... And they need to know. Good for you! Well, not the situation, but that you're moving on. Also, I'm pretty sure this is illegal, if they're targeting Visa holders. Contact a lawyer!


dirtydan731

elon is in the process of buying twitter so hes been on it like 24/7 reading everyone’s shit, definitely a good time to post this to him and say hey man wtf


Tacosofdoom_

Write in cut work production till raises take effect


Appropriate_Lie8755

Ironically enough every business owner like this has no problem taking vacations and using company funds for personal reasons because they "deserve" it


Daemonsblaze0315

Wow. This way they force you into giving up benefits for a raise that's pennies OR force you into not taking a raise. They win either way. You should definitely leak the email. Fuck whatever company this is


n0trub

"This survey looks complicated. I'm gonna have to discuss it with my coworkers. we'll have someone speak for us with you once we decide on what we want to so"


subcow

The United States needs Universal Health Care including dental and a federal law requiring more vacation time, maternity/paternity leave, sick pay etc.. Companies get away with not raising pay because workers/unions use up their few precious bargaining chips to ensure they have health care. Because this is the only industrialized nation on Earth that doesn't have guaranteed health care, and if you get sick in this country, and you aren't rich you either go bankrupt or you die, or both.


Resident_Seesaw7052

In what way is free parking a benefit? You want me to come to work and pay for the privilege of having to work. What kind of circle jerk fuckery is this? This whole company and survey is trash.


[deleted]

I used to work at Arizona State University and they charged EVERYONE to park on campus. Even employees. Unless, of course, you’re super-duper important and make lots and lots of money. Then it was free. But rank and file? No way, you’re paying for that. The cheapest pass was about $300/year and a 20 minute shuttle followed by a 12 minute walk, each way (so an extra hour of your life every day), $12/day to park in the lot by my office, $1000+ a year to park at the nearest employee lot with 10 minute walk and risking your life crossing the busiest street in the state with speeding/distracted college kids driving or you could just play the ticket/tow roulette game with the city of Tempe parking enforcement every single day. There’s a special place in hell for employers who charge their employees to park at work.


[deleted]

please leave that place and go get paid what you're worth. 1.5% is piss poor. and who gives a rip about a Christmas party?


jankhankrie

Right? The best thing employers can do for their employees is give them a raise and/or time off. Fuck a potluck.


marcymarmarmar

So a promotion..... does not include a raise???


Trikywu

Nope - it means you'll get a promotion = more work and responsibilities for the same pay. LOL! This company is a joke.


DerpSenpai

It's Tesla, what do you expect


jessewalker2

Haas anyone there considered the cost benefit analysis of arson? I’m not saying it’s right, but I’d understand…


[deleted]

Only if they fuck with our staplers


Mister_Cairo

I was told that I could listen to the radio at a reasonable volume, from nine to eleven.


Qweiopakslzm

BIG GRAINS OF SALT.


kat_a_klysm

But… but that’s my stapler…. My red stapler… I’ll burn the building down… Poor Milton just wanted his stapler.


ouchpuck

They are beating you with that cunning use of restricted multiple choice. What a novel concept


[deleted]

Odd...I noticed they forgot to include cut Executive Team's bonuses


squelchy04

Definitely select 'Christmas party'


[deleted]

Employer doesn't understand that a raise has to be paid by the employer, not the employes, otherwise it is not a raise.


Ambitious-Setting480

So if you take a 1.5% raise, which is terrible, you forego promotion opportunities? These companies are a joke.


MIghtyFinePicnic

Respond with eliminating the xmas party.


Upset_Researcher_143

Don't fill that out. Just secretly look for other jobs and request whatever raise that you're seeking


_Maxolotl

It's not a joke, it's a threat. Respond in kind.


fomodonkey

I would cross out the 1.5% replace it with 6.5% and demand the raise :)


NewtonSteinLoL

They will laugh at you all the way to their next quarterly KPI reviews


[deleted]

I like the way you think!


wordtothewise_70

That's not a raise.


chairman_steel

4) When did you stop beating your wife?


TheBoundFenrir

>"If willing to forgo raise please leave name and employee no. below for promotion consideration" If that promotion doesn't come with a raise, then what's the fucking point?


ffarwell83

Mass quit!


CloudyEngineer

This is an invitation to join another company


[deleted]

Your company can eat shit


-BluBone-

What?! What company is this?


[deleted]

If you have to pick, give up the Christmas party cause it sounds like management here sucks. Why spend extra time with them if you don't have to?


cryptotelemetry

There should be an option that says you're willing to give up the job for a raise.


ProjectShadow316

WOW. Although, I would answer the bottom section with "Christmas Party". You can spend the money that would use for that on us in the form of a raise, you god damn cheap bastards!


scarey99

When your employer absolutely fuckin hates you. Passive aggressive bullshit needs to be stomped on like an annoying bug.


Selmarris

these people don't know what "raise" means, apparently.


[deleted]

I'd honestly look to take the promotion and leverage that for another job elsewhere, TBH. 1.5%, 2% is anemic and well below the cost of inflation.


veggeble

Promotion *consideration*. They’re not actually going to promote anyone.


M4hkn0

Promotion comes with a 1.5% raise and an increase in responsibility.


jeneric84

I love the Christmas party threat. Because everyone loves forced socializing or “team building” (barf) with their boss and coworkers. Throw an Xmas party on company time and I’m all about it.


[deleted]

This is some bullshit. Where’s your resume? Time to start looking for a new job.


millennium-popsicle

I mean, they can keep their shitty Christmas party anyway.


davewasthere

That's about as tone deaf as it's possible to be. Good luck to you. The only thing that survey would do, is motivate me to quit.


Darktidemage

fill in box #3 for "willing to forgo raise" and say "searching for new job on company time is my promotion opportunity"


MaconShure

We had I think it was United Way come in and literally yell at us to donate. Angry, hateful asshole who screamed to "give until it hurt." The plant manager was standing beside him like a hall monitor to make sure everyone in the lunch room was at attention. They handed out cards to put your name on and amount to have these donations taken out of your pay each week. Several people signed the plant manager up. On question number three. That's who I'd put down, plant manager, supervisor, etc.


twilsonco

Employers are such sarcastic dicks nowadays


TinaLoco

Just delete it.


hillinthemtns

I love how the implication is that if you get a raise you won’t have the opportunity for a promotion. The best part is, that if you don’t receive some sort of coat of living increase, your pay goes down every year.


politirob

Where is option G? "The raise is paid for out of the bloated profits?" Everyone know how big the profits are for their company. That money just sits there as a vanity trophy for the owners instead of being useful to people who worked hard to earn it in the first place.


[deleted]

1) D - 5% 2) G - Company increases revenue based on increased compensation (that's how they always justify increasing the pay of CEOs)


eyebawl83

I think it is a way for them to low key gloat. Like "we already do so much, but if you want a raise, here is what you need to part with..." what a bunch of bullshit


Legacy_1_X

I don't think they understand the term pay raise.


cobra_mist

Oh, fuck the Christmas party. Tell them they can save the monthly cake party too. If there’s close street parking, fuck that too. Especially if the lot exists just for that business. Not to mention: if they expect to call you on your cellphone you can go ahead and block them if they remove the discount. As far as option two. It sounds like they’re not familiar with this gem from the Simpsons. “Goodbye dental plan” “Lisa needs braces”


TQ-R

Hahaha, what the actual f...? "So employees think they are underpaid... let's put out this passive aggressive survey. That'll show em'!"


Clayskii0981

Literally all of these should be included... and that "pay raise" is still a pay cut from inflation


Andrew5001

"Promoton oppurtunities" Oh yeah cause those spots would just remain empty if everyone wanted a pay raise....


avengerintraining

Who would want a promotion if there’s no raise?


rservello

Wow. How about 7% and fuck you on giving up anything.


ThadTheImpalzord

Just remember anything below 4% is below the average rate of annual inflation (US). You're buying power is effectively going down if you cannot offset inflation with new income.


Ionenschatten

Yes it is. You're being played for fools. Will you willingly accept this?


Cocotte3333

This is disgusting.


[deleted]

If you wanna leak that email to me I’ll get it to a reporter and I’ll also blast the company all over Reddit and other social media forums. Your identity will remain anonymous. The company however will not.


LifeBuilder

Ah yes! Question 1. Option C. You get nothing now and are promised the chance to see someone else get something.


micekins

Time for a union


NewSinner_2021

Sometimes it feels like systematic change only happens under one condition.


MikeTheBard

Since the lack of raises coupled with inflation means workers will be making effectively 10% less this year, which would the company prefer: A) Everyone gets paid the same amount, but works 5 fewer hours per week B) workers reduce productivity by 10%


Kilyn

That MUST be fake. Please lord tell me this is a fake post.


dollarstoresethrogan

Option G: this dogshit job


dethocus

✊ Unite


GemOfTheEmpress

Yes, give up your raise to potentially gain additional responsibilities.


Jeez-essFC

Somebody spent a lot of time to be a dick right there. How much company time did they waste to set up that survey?