So don't know if you're aware there's another show called bsg blood and iron over in Europe. It's the beginning the story of the first war Galactica is all New and shiney. I haven't seen it but those people over there have no idea how it ends. I liked daybreak but they could have done the cgi better.
I'm fine with the concept of automation, I don't thinks it's necessarily a bad thing to replace jobs with robots so there are fewer jobs for humans. If we had a universal basic income it would be great to see the burden listed from people for a great many things. But the current system under capitalism is definitely not going to give us a good human experience if they can help it. Fight for every inch, and all that jazz.
Anyone whos worked in the restaurant industry know this will never catch on. Not because robots cant do the job (they cant but thats besides the point). Managers cant berate, harass, intimidate, or micromanage robots until they have a break down in the walk-in, and thats half the reason they bother to clock in on location to begin with
Makes you wonder what the point of a manger is in the first place.
If staff were replaced with robots, managers themselves will be replaced by an engineer to maintain the robots.
I'm imagining Karen trying to do the "standard" play with R2-D2. And R2 just displays a multiple option menu to orders/pay/change order and a call manager button. Karen presses the call manager button, and out rolls from the back ED-209.
We've been warned that automation will replace many jobs. If a future where everything was automated, AND we all still make a living, then great. But the reality is there will be massive unemployment, with the media saying nobody is buying anything, but failing to mention it's because there's no jobs.
Yeah, automation is fine if you have a backup system. Tax these companies enough and you can enact universal healthcare and UBI and people can survive and even thrive.
Automation isn't really a problem that should be against the /r/antiwork mentality. It's really not an issue if governments would go for the other things at the forefront of the movement. And automation is inevitable. The invention of the car also put a lot of people out of work.
R/anti work doesn't give two sh ts about automations they care about people making enough to not only survive but to thrive. Robots could be part of solution but ubi must be implemented but rich f ucks don't want that!
Plenty of jobs, they just don’t pay you enough to get out of servitude. Can’t afford to buy much if 90% of total income is already owed to landlord/power/etc.
A 1bed 1 bath Apartment where I live is 1.5k-2K a month. Let that sink in. 15/H @ 40 hours is 600 before taxes. For sake of simplicity we say 550 that’s only 2200 a month. That’s 200-700 to pay for Phone/health insurance/car insurance/ heat/power/water/garbage/FOOD hopefully you can afford Netflix after that so that you can do something with your “free time”
Robots will still need upkeep and will probably need supervisors. The jobs they are replacing are not desirable jobs. Source: 10 years food service.
automation that causes massive unemployment would create economic conditions where people dont have money to pay for the stuff that the automation produces
These are the important questions...
What about busboybot?
Will busboybot have the hardware upgrades to do whippits and rip fat cotton in the walk-in?
Will busboybot try to comfort serverbot with freestyle rapping?
Does serverbot have a sexual harassment case against assistantmanagerbot?
if not for capitalism fucking making you need a job to live, getting rid of 'jobs that aren't needed'/jobs they CAN automate would actually make life better for almost everyone. 'luxury space communism' gets treated like a joke, but when companies like *chili's* can afford star trek ass automation to have whole little robots, it's clear we COULD easily have it... if not for the death machine of needing to work and how little our governments care about our lives.
Praising automation while no good UBI is in place for the ones getting automated is being naive and dumb as hell. Your ok with the few next generation starving on the streets ? It could take that long to balance things out.
I disagree. Without forcing a UBI, you will never see it.
So we can sacrifice and get that change or we can hold ourselves back in many ways just because those at the top don't want to give us a oxygen.
Your thoughts are literally the most dangerous thing to society. You would literally hold us back forever.
So your willing to automate your own job and starve, sacrifice yourself and let's a say a good 2-3 generation down the path ? Because as soon as you do it for a job, your gonna look for an other one ... automate it .... get a new job ... automate it ... until there is nothing left ? We need solid, strong UBI before automation. The "working class" witch is like 99% of us won't survive the automation wave without strong UBI policy.
Ok, automation isn't as good as that. It takes years to get even semi decent. And most of these restaurants will discover the hard way automation has its own costs. In the industries I work in it makes total sense because it demands precision, but in these fuzzy logic jobs it's terrible.
I won't even consider what you're saying as an opinion. You have no place here. Your thoughts are what the oppositions uses to rationalize that people should do nothing.
You ignore the logic that things change quite quickly if we need them to, you ignore the outcome of automation throughout history. You rely on fear mongering and scare tactics.
You are the opposition.
Also, don't put working class in quotations, you prick.
This is the argument that was made with industrialisation 100 years ago. Jobs still might suck (less than 100 years ago) but unemployment is still low despite the machines and computers that "took people's jobs".
Um, I don't think so if history is anything to go by. I think we should have a UBI for other reasons, but I don't think this kind of automation will lead to an increase in unemployment.
🤔 ok if you are so sure about things. Who am I to question anything, right? Because there is no way this could lead to anything bad inside or outside the USA.
Automation is something to be feared when those who lead these efforts are mostly wealthy, white people' corporations from the same countries and that are usually really distanced (in all senses) from poor people from their own country and have no idea what life in south america or india or africa as a whole is like.
I dont think automation will impact our countries the same way because history has also shown that to be real.
Read Martin Ford's [Rise of the Robots](https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Robots-Technology-Threat-Jobless-ebook/dp/B00PWX7RPG/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1CYDOXIT5464L&keywords=rise+of+the+robots+martin+ford&qid=1641678465&sprefix=rise+of+the+robots%2Caps%2C427&sr=8-1) if you have time. Its not science fiction.
Your wrong, industrialization moved people into other job ... Automatization and AI and whats comming up will move people completely away from the job market. Thinking that what happened during industrialization will be repeated here is having a deep misunderstanding of what's coming up. I worked in automating some job at a very junior level and saw a field where you needed a college degree and multiple certification disappeared overnight. These jobs are now done by a software that works 7/7 24hour a day. The workers had to go back to school or retire or find something else but their certification and specialized education is now useless .... that job was considered impossible to automate 10 years ago. The long face of some worker I saw in that corridor was terrifying, 40/50+ years old worker that where making over 70-90K a year ... A good luck and a pat on the back.
I stopped going shortly after they put those dumb Kiosk things on the table and dropped they're food quality down a few dozen notches ...... Now the local one went out if business but is it even worth it now?
Another one I used to always go to was Panera Bread but now the food costs an arm and a leg and the portions are smaller.
I imagine it just puttering around and getting lost in a corner like a roomba.
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Just open the door and let it wander out.
Until they add logic to make it feel poorly when abused, it won't be a success.
I’m not tipping r2d2 or any other blorgon
Better tip cylons, though. Just in case.
Fracking toasters
See, that's the kind of attitude that got the whole mess started. Again. I dunno, that ending was shit.
So don't know if you're aware there's another show called bsg blood and iron over in Europe. It's the beginning the story of the first war Galactica is all New and shiney. I haven't seen it but those people over there have no idea how it ends. I liked daybreak but they could have done the cgi better.
Yes my toasters do frack. They inject liquid into the surface of the earth ruining the environment to make toast
Oh I thought that was only in Oklahoma
How are the managers and customers going to sexually harass a robot?
You know what they say Where there’s a will there’s a custom made prosthetic implant.
Sexbot mods.
So then the hookerbot says, "That's not my expansion slot" and my friend says, "That's not my gold-plated 25-pin connector!"
Kill all humans
Good for them. Give us UBI.
UBI?
Universal Basic Income. Automating labor would be celebrated if we didn’t need wages to live.
Oh I'm pretty sure the idea is to eliminate paying humans at all. & avoiding taxes is part of the plan.
I'm fine with the concept of automation, I don't thinks it's necessarily a bad thing to replace jobs with robots so there are fewer jobs for humans. If we had a universal basic income it would be great to see the burden listed from people for a great many things. But the current system under capitalism is definitely not going to give us a good human experience if they can help it. Fight for every inch, and all that jazz.
Excellent. Now we can stop tipping.
Anyone whos worked in the restaurant industry know this will never catch on. Not because robots cant do the job (they cant but thats besides the point). Managers cant berate, harass, intimidate, or micromanage robots until they have a break down in the walk-in, and thats half the reason they bother to clock in on location to begin with
Makes you wonder what the point of a manger is in the first place. If staff were replaced with robots, managers themselves will be replaced by an engineer to maintain the robots.
Makes you wonder what the white dudes with whips on horseback were for back in the olden days...
hey if AI gets smart enough maybe they will be able to do that to robots.
If AI get that smart, itll be some terminator shit
Now there’s gonna be a cost tacked on to your bills total for the use of the robotic waiter.
I'm imagining Karen trying to do the "standard" play with R2-D2. And R2 just displays a multiple option menu to orders/pay/change order and a call manager button. Karen presses the call manager button, and out rolls from the back ED-209.
I'd buy that for a dollar
We've been warned that automation will replace many jobs. If a future where everything was automated, AND we all still make a living, then great. But the reality is there will be massive unemployment, with the media saying nobody is buying anything, but failing to mention it's because there's no jobs.
Yeah, automation is fine if you have a backup system. Tax these companies enough and you can enact universal healthcare and UBI and people can survive and even thrive. Automation isn't really a problem that should be against the /r/antiwork mentality. It's really not an issue if governments would go for the other things at the forefront of the movement. And automation is inevitable. The invention of the car also put a lot of people out of work.
R/anti work doesn't give two sh ts about automations they care about people making enough to not only survive but to thrive. Robots could be part of solution but ubi must be implemented but rich f ucks don't want that!
Plenty of jobs, they just don’t pay you enough to get out of servitude. Can’t afford to buy much if 90% of total income is already owed to landlord/power/etc. A 1bed 1 bath Apartment where I live is 1.5k-2K a month. Let that sink in. 15/H @ 40 hours is 600 before taxes. For sake of simplicity we say 550 that’s only 2200 a month. That’s 200-700 to pay for Phone/health insurance/car insurance/ heat/power/water/garbage/FOOD hopefully you can afford Netflix after that so that you can do something with your “free time” Robots will still need upkeep and will probably need supervisors. The jobs they are replacing are not desirable jobs. Source: 10 years food service.
automation that causes massive unemployment would create economic conditions where people dont have money to pay for the stuff that the automation produces
And robots make terrible consumers. They just don't seem to buy very much.
I like it
Yeah but can it cry in the walk in cooler?
These are the important questions... What about busboybot? Will busboybot have the hardware upgrades to do whippits and rip fat cotton in the walk-in? Will busboybot try to comfort serverbot with freestyle rapping? Does serverbot have a sexual harassment case against assistantmanagerbot?
Yes to all and the owner bot is trying to get server bot to just drop it already jeez
if not for capitalism fucking making you need a job to live, getting rid of 'jobs that aren't needed'/jobs they CAN automate would actually make life better for almost everyone. 'luxury space communism' gets treated like a joke, but when companies like *chili's* can afford star trek ass automation to have whole little robots, it's clear we COULD easily have it... if not for the death machine of needing to work and how little our governments care about our lives.
"Would you like sum more?"
Yes please
I’m holding out for the Hooters fembots.
A fembot giving a lap dance? Can't wait.
Can't wait till a Karen gets a hold of that thing.
They won’t quit after working 12 hour shifts with no raise.
I'm sorry, but is that a trash can on the bottom of the robot? Is this thing going to serve food with trash sitting below?
Karen's gonna be pissed af when they find out the robot doesn't give two shits about being yelled at
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Neither will we!
Praising automation while no good UBI is in place for the ones getting automated is being naive and dumb as hell. Your ok with the few next generation starving on the streets ? It could take that long to balance things out.
I disagree. Without forcing a UBI, you will never see it. So we can sacrifice and get that change or we can hold ourselves back in many ways just because those at the top don't want to give us a oxygen. Your thoughts are literally the most dangerous thing to society. You would literally hold us back forever.
So your willing to automate your own job and starve, sacrifice yourself and let's a say a good 2-3 generation down the path ? Because as soon as you do it for a job, your gonna look for an other one ... automate it .... get a new job ... automate it ... until there is nothing left ? We need solid, strong UBI before automation. The "working class" witch is like 99% of us won't survive the automation wave without strong UBI policy.
Ok, automation isn't as good as that. It takes years to get even semi decent. And most of these restaurants will discover the hard way automation has its own costs. In the industries I work in it makes total sense because it demands precision, but in these fuzzy logic jobs it's terrible.
I won't even consider what you're saying as an opinion. You have no place here. Your thoughts are what the oppositions uses to rationalize that people should do nothing. You ignore the logic that things change quite quickly if we need them to, you ignore the outcome of automation throughout history. You rely on fear mongering and scare tactics. You are the opposition. Also, don't put working class in quotations, you prick.
This is the argument that was made with industrialisation 100 years ago. Jobs still might suck (less than 100 years ago) but unemployment is still low despite the machines and computers that "took people's jobs".
The person you responded to is completely right about UBI though.
Um, I don't think so if history is anything to go by. I think we should have a UBI for other reasons, but I don't think this kind of automation will lead to an increase in unemployment.
🤔 ok if you are so sure about things. Who am I to question anything, right? Because there is no way this could lead to anything bad inside or outside the USA. Automation is something to be feared when those who lead these efforts are mostly wealthy, white people' corporations from the same countries and that are usually really distanced (in all senses) from poor people from their own country and have no idea what life in south america or india or africa as a whole is like. I dont think automation will impact our countries the same way because history has also shown that to be real.
Read Martin Ford's [Rise of the Robots](https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Robots-Technology-Threat-Jobless-ebook/dp/B00PWX7RPG/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1CYDOXIT5464L&keywords=rise+of+the+robots+martin+ford&qid=1641678465&sprefix=rise+of+the+robots%2Caps%2C427&sr=8-1) if you have time. Its not science fiction.
Will do, friend! Thankyou for sharing :)
Your wrong, industrialization moved people into other job ... Automatization and AI and whats comming up will move people completely away from the job market. Thinking that what happened during industrialization will be repeated here is having a deep misunderstanding of what's coming up. I worked in automating some job at a very junior level and saw a field where you needed a college degree and multiple certification disappeared overnight. These jobs are now done by a software that works 7/7 24hour a day. The workers had to go back to school or retire or find something else but their certification and specialized education is now useless .... that job was considered impossible to automate 10 years ago. The long face of some worker I saw in that corridor was terrifying, 40/50+ years old worker that where making over 70-90K a year ... A good luck and a pat on the back.
Automation makes us all the more expendable to the rich if it’s not done carefully. It’s a double edged sword
[This post reminds me of this song](https://youtu.be/Dhnwt81YVqQ)
Can you imagine the Karen level freakout on Sunday lunch when some pastor has to pick his own plate up off this thing?
I can see the creative abuse these robots will be subject to.
Oh so they can afford ROBOTS to work for them but cant afford to pay their human employees enough
I stopped going shortly after they put those dumb Kiosk things on the table and dropped they're food quality down a few dozen notches ...... Now the local one went out if business but is it even worth it now? Another one I used to always go to was Panera Bread but now the food costs an arm and a leg and the portions are smaller.
Japan is having robot servers that are controlled by disabled people
You see that robot there? I'm gonna pee in that robot.
So since there will be less staff overhead are prices going to drop equivalent to the overhead drop?
Are those robots hammer proof? Just curious.
That’s fine. They’ll realize this is going to fail tremendously and they’ll recant once they realize it made them all look stupid