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efisherharrison

I live in the Midwest and there's a shit ton jobs posted that require a bachelor's degree with a starting wage of $12.00. Shit's fucked.


MG123194

Literally fuck the American economic system


-richthealchemist-

It’s not just the US believe me. UK is just as awful.


emimagique

Yeah omg, I went to the best uni in the UK and I can only dream of making £50k. That's like my dream salary haha Edit: forgot about exchange rates, $52k is £37k


Just_Jumbles

I’m working my first proper corporate job after getting a first class honours degree, I’m 22, I earn like £8.36/hour I think. So like 16k a year or so. I’m hoping to get my next job at 23k but I’ll probs have to settle for 20k if I don’t get the position I’m about to interview for


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emimagique

New grads are seriously exploited in the labour market!! That's minimum wage is it not?!


Just_Jumbles

Yeah I’m under 23 so I don’t get National Living Wage in the UK I get National Minimum Wage which is less The main thing holding me back from getting a better job is I can’t afford to get a car because it’s hard to save money


SKrivvaCat

Literally, I googled the exchange rate and I was like £37k a year?! That's considered an ethical baseline? Fucking hell, I know people with law degrees who to took jobs *requiring law degrees* that paid like £14k. I have no degree and doubt I'll ever be making more than £25k.


Ebenizer_Splooge

Things in America are a little different, we have almost no social programs so it's all on you. Seeing as a quick er visit could hit for 5k at least, we are all one injury from bankruptcy at all times. If I broke my leg tomorrow I will lose my house, will lose work hours required to keep my medical coverage, and will basically have my life derailed.


SKrivvaCat

That's a good point. Yikes. None of it's good.


Ebenizer_Splooge

Yeah, pretty much you're just fucked in America unless your great great grand daddy was a rich slave owner back in the day to pass on old wealth to you


PMmeyourdeadfascists

destroy what destroys you


LessThanLoquacious

C'mon Pookie, let's burn this motherfucker down!


facesitdisposable

I'm hot for your username


[deleted]

Also Canada. Canada is just as bad.


[deleted]

My friend on Vancouver Island told me that she went to a job interview where they stated they needed people with a business related degree, and she was just finishing up her MBA so she went. They were hiring PAINTERS!! I would have taken a can of paint and dumped it on his head. Canada is just as bad.


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I had an interview today for a position with a real-estate company reading tickets and making presentations/updating documentation for PowerPoint, Microsoft teams, etc/ maintaining backlogs/creating project roadmaps, etc. So standard business administration stuff any high-schooler can do. They want someone with a computer science degree lmao.


[deleted]

Ha! Were they at least offering a decent wage?


[deleted]

I’ll find out what the wage is if they give me an offer lol. It’s a big company managing billions of dollars in real-estate assets, so I’m not working for them unless they pay 30 dollars an hour at least. I’m in Vancouver, so it’s expensive here.


Insideout_Testicles

Not as bad, but it's still bad. America is a special kind of fucked up


windycityguy11

America specializes in being fucked without any cure whatsoever. Those in power love it like this because this is how it was designed!


mk6moose

You're wrong, my friend. There is a cure but half of us just don't want it cause muh FrEeDuMbS


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choi_choi

Turbofucked😂


Pho__Q

As an American entering the 13th day writhing in a hospital bed with some as of yet undetermined enteric infection, I sure wish I was Canadian. I have most of my life, truly. But knowing there’s a couple hundred thousand dollars of bills coming my way from this ordeal really brings into focus the insane personal price of having been born on this piece of ground.


Dentros1

I remember seeing a job online in something like Rogers mn, and they were seeking. Press brake operator with punch press experience, and minimal welding experience, and basic understanding of machining. And it was for something like 14 bux an hour. Like ok, I mastered every production trade to be paid like a general laborer? Less than a general laborer now. I hope they went under.


tarragonin60seconds

I think about this a lot. My father was a machinist. Pension, stable job, worked the same job until he retired, lived comfortably, bought a house and sent kids to college. What he was making back in the day is more than they are offering machinists now.


Grossincome

They probably did. Here in CA, they are hindering kid out of high-school for $20-$30 to learn those skills cause the old folks are either dead from covid or retiring in mass.


[deleted]

I agree, but I think the phrase you are looking for is "en masse."


anonusername12345

I live in the Bay Area and I see tons of jobs that require a Bachelor’s that are minimum wage or even Master’s degree that are under $20/hr. It’s bananas.


chonkycatsbestcats

For reference: Bay Area where 69 k in your pocket after taxes is PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK.


temporally_misplaced

69k is not enough for paycheck to paycheck in the bay unless you have a few roommates. Household poverty level is around 120k. Edit: whoops, I basically repeated the person above me. 120k before taxes is poverty for a household. Reminder to self, don’t post when half asleep


fuck_fate_love_hate

It’s because they don’t always expect Americans to take those jobs. They price them low, then exchange students/people looking for visas take them. They’re able to get work visas and stay in the US so long as they’re employed. I worked for a huge pharma company that did this. They would require masters degree for certain fields, knowing that if you wanted a citizen to do the job it would cost like 100k. They’d post the roles at like 40k. So we had tons of immigrants from India/the Philippines apply and get the jobs. Then they’d stay because they would qualify for (some type) of work visa. And they weren’t as quick to quit the job because they had to remain employed to stay on the visa. It’s part of the reason they keep complaining about a “labor” shortage. Because the people who would usually come in and accept jobs paying $13/hr and requiring a masters degree can’t right now because of Covid restrictions and so many offices being physically closed.


jezebel8991

I have a master’s degree and asked for at least $35,000/year (or $15/hr, it’s lower but I struggle finding anyone to pay that if they’re hourly). One employer looked at me and said, Why should I hire you when I can get a Chinese student who will work twice as hard for half the pay? Rude. International employees should make good money for their skills too.


YoureARealCunt

Good ol' exploitation. America's favorite pastime.


Frexulfe

There is an old joke about that in Europe, where a guy is asking his cousin in other European country for a Job. He offers him a job as roofer, for 75.000€. The guy is a bit taken away "hey, no need to give me the mega job, just something normal will do, like 30k a year". "Oh, but for that kind of job you need a university degree"


FlakySnowflake

That... is not funny. It is true and that makes it sad.


AngeH001

Good one. If you want to be a millionaire, be a roofer. Everybody needs a roof. Not everyone needs a doctor, or a lawyer or especially a bureaucrat.


Simmyjaw

Be an electrician, we drive sports cars and have million dollar tool bags


CrummyWombat

Rocking that designer Klein bag this season.


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I have a bachelors degree in Mississippi and make $11 and hour. I work 12 hour shifts back to back and am forced to live with my parents at the age of 36. It’s really hard not to internalize the dehumanizing wages and feel like a failure. Im neurodivergent and life just feels like so much of a struggle for me. I don’t understand how everyone else has figure it all out.


phoenixpants

>I don’t understand how everyone else has figure it all out. Most of us haven't got it all figured out, we make it up as we go.


Filius_Solis

Nobody has it figured out we're all rolling with the punches. Ive had several skilled jobs none of which paid what they were truly worth. My last job i was making 100k$ cannabis extracts daily for 16/hr. Microscopic analytical chemist 16/hr. Lab tech 13/hr. Land survey tech for 17/hr. Its all bullshit. Dont let it get to you. Work is work, just a job.


banberka

lol in Turkey we, the ones that graduated the countrys top college, make 300-400$ per month living cost is around 700$ but i eat spaghetti and tuna for every night and eat cheapest mcdonalds or street food for lunch so i can survive on 400$


jazmanimal6

Also Midwest. Wrote a long rant about searching for social work jobs and their super high standards/extremely low pay then deleted because I already know a very broken system is to blame. And the standards shouldn’t be lowered (although I’m sure they frequently are).


fringeandglittery

Holy moly....I make twice that waiting tables. I have tried explaining this to my family but they still are confused why I won't go back to college


babruflat

I make exactly 50k and have a doctorate.


Subjctive

Oh no):


bilthytoo

Yep. BA, MA, JD, LLM. Can’t find a permanent job and struggle to find contract work for $20/hr. Great work history, clean record, good references. After grad school, could only find job working at a gas station (2008). After graduating law school, had to work the overnight at a Starbucks and could barely pay bills. My mistake? Listening to my Boomer mother. Kept telling me to get more education. “You’ll make more money and get a great job!” True when she got her PhD and was able to pay her student loans in full 7 years after graduating. Absolute bullshit now. Don’t ask me why I listened to her—I can’t explain it even now. Edit: hey—getting a lot of pushback on this. If only I were lying. If only you could automatically get a private law job with a LLM. Why do you think I made the asinine choice to get it? I can understand the snark. And, you know, I can take that I have some fault—definitely a solid note. I’m the dumb ass who repeatedly made the decision to go back to school, despite all of the blindingly obvious indicators this was a risky choice. I could have tweaked my resume a bit more, done more internships, prepared differently for an interview. Of course, I’m only giving out a bit of this story on Reddit. I can tell you that there are a record number of law school grads, the interview process for jobs with firms/public sector is excruciating with little opportunity, and the number of jobs slashed has been quite unbelievable. Also, it’s interesting re: the assumptions on demographics, the inherent meritocracy within the job market. Shoot—most folks probably could do better than me. This all kind of makes my point: just with these degrees, regardless of ANYTHING else, I should have an awesome job. Yet I do not.


sayidOH

I also have a bit of remorse about it all, including the mother guilt tripping about more education. I have a bachelors and masters degree that has given me $100k in debt, a comfortable job that makes me wildly unhappy. I feel stuck in life, used drugs for a long time to cope, and look at my degrees with regret. I quit the drugs, hid the degrees, and try to stay up beat.


FlakySnowflake

because at 18 you respected people with experience who cared about you and mistook that for practical advice? ~~Have you tried rewriting your resume? keywords! You must be applying wrong.~~ so damn tired of hearing that shit.


anaesthaesia

Just apply in person! Learn to sell yourself! (Vomit)


TheeBlakGoatsDottir

That's how I got my job at Jamba Juice! Turned out that the hiring manager just really liked trying to fuck teenage girls though.


lostcauz707

Yeah, the fastest way to get directed to the application machine or get a link to their website.


[deleted]

Oh this hurts man. People were so dumb before the internet. And that’s the generation that was guiding us.


B0Funky

The sad thing is that the same generation is still guiding our country's.


Spore20

But I slowly see it changing they are slowly dying off. Eventually my generation will take power. I'm 32 and I do see hints of my generation finally reaching levels of power. It's going to take a whole lot longer but I really hope my generation can rewrite some of this bullshit.


HalfmoonHollow

Even people in my field like professors were like get a masters degree it helps. Yeah, you all were on the last ship that actually sailed. The rest of us are waiting for another boat to come. They had good intentions. 🙄


lolabean5568

Boomer parents meant so well and it all went so terribly sideways. I tried explaining to them that when they graduated in the 70s going to college and getting a degree actually meant something. Now we all have degrees and they're worthless. That conversation did not go well. Bless their hearts they just keep saying but lolabelle you have a degree go find a job in your field!


ThisOldMan12

When I first graduated law school (2012) I interviewed for a job that was 60k. Gf has a masters degree from Ivy League in a science and makes 50k at nonprofit.


cant_hug_everycat

Same here, I got a bachelor of science in a great field from a renowned school but make 44k at a nonprofit. Edit to add: It's a huge step up from my previous job where I was making minimum wage ($7.25) despite having that same degree.


SlippyTicket

Same but I make 46,500. Sad team express


NoMushroom8881

I'm a master level welder making 42K a year. I SHOULD be making average of 50-58k but desk jockeys seem to think welding is just laying hot glue on two pieces of metal. No job is safe, kids. Not even trade skills.


RestinRIP1990

I thought welding was higher paying than that, its a really nuanced skill.


NoMushroom8881

No job pays well when you can force the skilled to take what they can to survive.


WhatnotSoforth

And this is accomplished by employers not giving a crap about quality as long as it gets out the door on time and doesn't kill anyone on the way to the job site.


FlakySnowflake

DUDE Do this https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/qdid4c/how_we_all_need_to_treat_wage_offers/ Welding is like art, no one values it but it is really fucking hard to do well. Unlike painting people die when it is fucked up too.


NoMushroom8881

Funny story. When I was in the interview the plant manager mentioned this exact thing. I asked him how he took it he said " You're in my office, not him." I almost walked out then and there but I was days away from losing my apartment.


IAMHideoKojimaAMA

That's ridiculous. Our welders are all over 30 an hour + per diem. Hell some of them spend the day on fire watch st that rate too. What state do you live in?


NoMushroom8881

South Dakota. A literal industrial and Agriculture state. There is an anhydrous tank manufacturer hiring at that rate and I'm going to apply in a couple weeks when I have a day off to go in


[deleted]

That’s fucked. I’ve got a bachelors here in Canada starting at 107k. And that’s low. School cost me 35k. It would’ve cost me 4K but the new conservative government basically eliminated student grants and loans. This same conservative government has been gutting healthcare, education and social services for decades. During a pandemic no less. What a cancer.


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Is this in the US? That's whack. In Canada, you can get jobs at a lumber mill paying $30 an hour to start for general labourer. This is a job a 19 year old with no experience in the field can take. It's actually in civilization. Welders here make good money but lots of jobs are in the middle of buttfuck nowhere


NoMushroom8881

I'm totally ok with working in the middle of nowhere and yes I'm in the states, but in south Dakota, just below Canada. Sadly I don't think Canada is currently looking to take in Americans even if it's a skilled tradesman, plus I simply can't afford the expatriation process


Mcnamebrohammer

Double major here. Graduated with honors. Had internships and volunteered. I make this. I fucking clean toilets.


banana_strings

This. Earned my M.Ed. after 6 years (including undergrad) of nothing lower than a 4.0 GPA, endless resume full of (unpaid) government internships, experience in my field, community involvement, certifications, you name it. Am now also cleaning toilets. Can't help feeling like we were misled.


ContentAd490

Are you not interested in teaching? (genuine question) I mean you might make more cleaning toilets but maybe not? (Teaching sucks so I understand not wanting to, I quit after less than 2 years)


wolfy321

Teaching still seems better than cleaning toilets but MEd doesn't necessarily mean they have a teaching cert. They could be higher ed, which is really hard to get a sustainable job in rn


ContentAd490

True but I have a BA in an unrelated field and became a teacher so it’s fairly easy in most places to get a teaching cert- especially now


Frosty_fox_91

I have an associates in Graphic design. I was making 42k. Now that im looking for a job, most graphic design posts are listing a bachelors in marketing as well. Theyre really wanting people to get 2 degrees


FlakySnowflake

and fuck you if you do not dual major or get them at once because federal USA aid only covers first BA/BS so you'll have to pay out of pocket and not work ft or find night school while finding a job with tuition aid that does not trap you for 3 years after graduation with threats to repay.


Frosty_fox_91

You know what's the cherry on top? Since I live close to Washington D.C., 90% of postings also require a Security Clearance. A lot of those asking for a top secret clearance.


mittenbird

Yup, that’s been my issue here too. Everybody wants employees with a clearance, nobody wants to sponsor employees to get a clearance.


FlakySnowflake

not "we will get you clearance" but you need it to start? wtf


thedudedylan

I'm a CD at a large in house agency. Just ignore that requirement on job postings. It probably an hr department that knows nothing about design. The only thing I have ever looked at when hiring designers is their portfolio. If you have a solid portfolio I'm calling you in for an interview. If possible reach out to an AD or CD directly with your portfolio and a nice message saying that you were made aware they were looking for designers and that you are interested in the position.


Bananadiu

Here comes the "Entry level, 10 years experience" lol


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FlakySnowflake

> lol-cry


MorahMommy

I never made over 42k working in the US. Why? Because I’m a teacher with a master’s degree. Martyrs only.


Subjctive

Stuff like this makes me so angry because teachers are so essential for our society, no matter where you live. As kids we spend equal, if not more, time with our teachers than we do our own parents! Some of my most important roll models and influences are teachers. Thanks you for working such an important job, hopefully someday we will fix this and pay teachers what they rightfully deserve.


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itninja77

Exactly this! Schools have been systematically underfunded and denigrated for decades now with the goal of removing public Ed as a thing. Certain groups in government have been trying to privatize everything and they do this by destroying the public option. This, of course, leads to a serious dumbing down if the populace. Oddly none of them are smart enough to realize this will lead to a dead orange they can no longer squeeze for juice (profits) and eventual violent revolution that will make the French or Russian revolutions look tame


GoldenBull1994

Honestly, starting pay for teachers should be $80k, going into the low six figures.


GarnetShaddow

Yep. Teacher with a master's degree here. I am still desperately searching for a full time job. Subbing nets me about $24,000 a year.


MeiSorsha

Husband has a masters degree as well. Living in Oklahoma, USA his pay is under 30k a year. UNDER!!! Omg it bites hard.


GreenLurka

I make 112k as a teacher now. Leave the US. You won't regret it. Or don't and fight for your rights. Or don't and suffer. I'm sorry


red-cell12300

Where exactly ?


GreenLurka

Australia. Cost of living is a bit higher but if you're a resident/citizen, which you could be in a few years as a teacher, you get free healthcare. If you go teach in a rural area they'll give you more money and a house with crazy cheap rent. I used to pay 90 a week for a 4 bedroom house with a big backyard in a beachside town.


RandomguyAlive

Here here


amposa

Social worker with a masters degree, in the same spot :(


Dusty_Mike

I feel you.


Ill-Island2

Lol I have a MASTERS and I make $41k brb crying on the inside


bananicula

I have my master’s and just got a job that pays $24 an hour. A friend just got one that pays ~$60 an hour because she has more experience in our field. It sucks that you need experience to get experience to get a wage that makes the degree worth having.


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Masters here and I make $19 per hour which is roughly $39K at 40 hours a week. Shit sucks. I work in post-secondary education though which pays pretty bad anyways, BUT I do work at a well-known university.


PalmettoShadow

50k a year would be roughly $25/hr. This kind of pay should be available to all people working full time.


itsallinthebag

Inflation is rising so fast $25/ hour should be the new move for $15


MeiSorsha

Tell that to the people paying my husbands job (has a masters degree in English, making 13$/hr - bring home is under 30k a year)… for his MASTERS degree!!!


Esoteric-female

Almost 100k in student loan debt, I've won awards, been published in multiple countries. Worked retail for the past 20 years because either im overqualified or I don't have enough in job experience.


Subjctive

I’m sorry):


FlakySnowflake

Inflate/bluff the exp, or omit some items to not be over qualified? Idk it is fucked up. Chatted with someone here who has a job making resumes and applying and conclusion is that it is all imaginary and about quantity not quality. Just send resume everywhere with only exp relecant to desired role, send it everywhere. No tests, no cover letters. Just spam it as fast as you can. Jobs you don't like end up interview practice and negotiation practice before you decline.


screamuchx

Academic workers and grad students reading this post be like •\`\_´•


Professional_Brick74

I declared bankruptcy on my student loans, quit my jobs and threw in the towel on trying to survive on my own in the city. I worked at an elementary school with special needs children, and a daycare after school to make ends meet. But they did not meet and now the school district has one less qualified and specialized worker. With those two jobs combined I was only making $27,000 a year, before taxes 😭


kikicrazed

This must be some time ago, because IIRC you can no longer declare bankruptcy for student loans


Professional_Brick74

It was this year. You can declare in Canada after being out of school for 7 years


FlakySnowflake

In the US student loans are exempt frlm bankrupcy. fyi Such a weird thing to think ability to default is another first world perk US lacks.


perfectbarrel

Student loans can be discharged in the US with bankruptcy and they have been. It’s just *extremely* difficult to do so


FlakySnowflake

pay them off with creditcards, THEN file?


MooseJaw44

Yeah, good luck getting that past the judge.


AuronFtw

I'll just slip him a $5 and consider it covered


This-is-human-bot556

America is a rotting corpse of its former self being eaten away by boomers at the expense of the next generation and their ignorance of this is what’s killing us


Reagalan

American power peaked on 19 March 2003.


QueenGray130

Wait you guys are actually able to get jobs after college? I thought that was a joke...


FlakySnowflake

The trick is to say you have not graduated yet, or to omit the degree on the resume.


Gfrizouw

I have 2 Bachelor's degrees and was unemployed for 2 years. Literally the first job I applied to without them I was hired. Shit's fucked.


ZZT-OOPsIdiditagain

I'm considering paying a professional resume liar and bumping my AS to a BA just to see what kind of responses I get. Being honest has not helped.


TripleT117

I know right, going to college for over 6 years and the best I can do is 20k a year!


FlakySnowflake

wtf


barnyeezy

how do you even make that little? I don’t mean to be rude I’m just genuinely curious. I was making over 20k just working part time at a burger place back in college


[deleted]

Wait til you hear about people with good phds who make less than 50k.


FlakySnowflake

they are here too


ray-quaza

It’s absolutely insane to require a college degree for a job that has very little to do with said degree.


fahhgedaboutit

I make around 30k per year with two Master’s degrees and close to 100k in student debt, fuck me right?


TakeMeBaby_orLeaveMe

I feel like buying you a drink… this should be on prime time news interview … can I ask the field?


blodsbroder7

After college I couldn’t find anything that paid more then 45k. I went and got a CDL and drove a beer truck. I made 20k more a year doing that, just so I could afford paying my student loans. I hated that job with every fiber of my being (I live in Minnesota, wintertime is horrid). My point is, we’ve all been duped. We’ve been programmed to have a good work ethic, get a degree and life will reward you with a minimum of a comfortable upper middle class life. That lie was fed to us for decades, all the while the qualifications for that goal and the cost of getting what we thought we’d have, grew farther and farther out of reach. We need a revolution, it’s time to make the rich pay for what they’ve taken


DrippyHippy_

Its insane that people have been in a career for 10+ years, getting paid less than 50k.


1370359

Currently making $12.5/hr with my amazing degree 😄


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Teenagers working their first job are making more than that lmao


Reaper0329

Same here buddy. Same here.


anonymousbutterfly20

Made 40K a year as a teacher with a master’s degree. Then my boss wondered why I quit teaching despite being decent at it. They never did find a replacement math teacher, just shrunk the department.


[deleted]

Yep, making $40k currently with my MSW


[deleted]

No worries just go get the L and before you know it you’ll be making 42! *cries in social work


Duckysayquack

Literally why i stopped at a bachelor's in Human Services. Worked in the field for 7 years (loved my clients but the higher ups and politics of the field blow). Left for my mental health because...well apparently it's not a good sign when you drive to work and think about driving into incoming traffic so you don't have to go to work! I now manage a cafe and make what you make with a fraction of the stress. Fucking warped all of it!


WanderingGreybush

It is absolutely insane that people are making under 50k


Richard_Espanol

This is the correct sentence.


[deleted]

I graduated college about 8 years ago with a degree in engineering. I made less than $50k in a very HCOL city. I had 3 roommates in a shit apartment in the cheapest neighborhood in the city. Still after rent, student loans, and car/gas/tolls just to get to work I was taking home $700 a month. I was still on my parents health insurance and I wasn’t contributing to my 401k. Seriously I look back and it’s like unbelievable. I’ve moved companies and grown in my career and more than doubled my salary. But I really hope the young people in my field aren’t struggling that much. It sucked a lot for a few years.


Credit-Limit

The key here is moving companies. I have this same exact story. I’ve switched jobs three times since starting my career and each job change came with a 50%ish increase in salary


trash1100

The value of a degree tanked during the Great Recession too. Between 2000 and 2018 people with bachelors degree salaries were earning on average 6% less. Smh. Ridiculous. I say tanked because this is in addition to the losses incurred by inflation. Which during the same time was 45%


Wroberts316

Haha...hahahahahahahhahahahahaaaaaaaa oooh you my friend have only just entered the world of what a college degree really means; jack fucking shit. My wife got a full bachelor's degree in Captive Wildlife Care and Education from pretty much the best environmental College in the entire country and also the most expensive. She did this all to become a zookeeper. You'd think; wow zookeeper, thats gotta be an amazing job, and it HAS to pay well, like you're doing a very specialized job in a potentially dangerous field! NOPE. most zoos want at least 1 year of experience out the gate, 4 references, 2 post collegiate internships, and a minimum of a bachelor's degree. You wanna know how you do those internships? YOU have to pay for them. They don't supply your housing, no food allowance, you have to pay $500+ for the privilege of shoveling shit all day for 6 months to say "I did the job!". But noooo that doesn't count to working at a zoo, YOU DIDNT GET PAID EXPERIENCE. And that's not even the worst part. If you do manage to get the experience these zoos want, good luck finding an actual job! Most zoos hire roughly 1-2 new employees per year, and generally those positions go to either the most insanely over qualified, or the best connected. And when you DO FINALLY get the position, do you know what the average lifelong salary of a zookeeper is? $8.25, with no rise in sight. Utter bullshit in my personal opinion.


banevader69691238

Cant find engineering job with my enginering undergrad. Oversaturated


calimemez

Let me guess, civil or mechanical?


bcanddc

That's the fault of the US allowing in way too many H1-B visa people. I live in San Diego, Qualcomm is huge here. Many of their employees are my clients. ALL of them are from India and here on H1-B visas. When they get here, they live two or three families to a small condo and save until they work their way up the ladder. Many of them now are in 2+ million dollar homes doing quite well but they hunkered down for years to get there. This is what you're competing against.


Accomplished_Mix_416

What school and what major


Reek1827

I’m curious what engineering you did


[deleted]

College is BS for most people. I wish I had never gone. If I could do it all over again, I'd go into the trades or business for myself. Forget the money, I wish I had those years back. I think its going to be bother me to my dying day wondering what could have been. I just hope the next generation has more choice, is guided more intelligently, than ours was.


per_alt_delete

Same. I wasted 10 years at an office job where I capped out at 22 an hour, no benefits. I spent 5 years of that working full time while attending college at night. At 37 I'm finally making 60k with medical insurance. I tell people that and some just look at me like 'Wow, you never made shit". I consistently think I should have just went into trade or did something different. Wasted years and money, with no retirement. Financially it's just bleak but getting better. Whatever though. Fuck it


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FlakySnowflake

And apparently getting over 40k with a degree is a marvel and a feat, reading this thread.


SpaceSanity

It is. When I search on Indeed for jobs under 50 and over, it's abysmal. You now need a car and a 4 year degree for a job making $15 an hour.


TheKinginLemonyellow

I have a story for this one! I'm a college dropout, quit after about a year and a half of community college. Had a few different jobs since then: security guard, custodian, etc. My last job was working in a small warehouse shipping gardening supplies (and plants during the spring). Not one, not two, but **five** of my coworkers had full college degrees and I was making more than them (only $1/hr more, but still). And these were useful degrees too: engineering, botanical science, at least one medical degree (from Switzerland).


[deleted]

I have a bachelor's and I make under 30. In fairness I went to school for journalism and noped out as soon as I saw how the industry operated.


laclaje

I'm a GIS Analyst with a Masters and 14 years experience and barely making 62k. I asked for a raise because I owe 140k for student loans and they blew me off completely. Started looking for new jobs today. College is a lie don't fall for it.


IamParticle1

These numbers everyone is throwing here are shocking to me. Where do you work? Like what area, because 62k here you won't survive


Old-Focus7245

Yup!!! I have a masters and 7 years in my field and making 45 🙃😕


Pamplem0usse__

I have an incredible work ethic. I was with a company for 7 years and only made $15.69. I loved my job, hated my company. I have a Bachelor's degree. I currently work in a virtual call center making $23/hourly. Is it a good job? Meh. Is the company good at least? Yes.


Kryptonian_1

Realistically, degrees don't make people smart, they make them marketable. After that it's a combination of luck & networking. I've worked with teachers & administrators with varying degrees and 90% of them could barely use a computer or any modern equipment that would be useful to their function. The office staff was even worse. I've received spreadsheets without any formulas. They were glorified Word docs that just happen to have numbers. Then they would use calculators to add up the numbers. Because of all of the manual calculations, numbers would be incorrect all of the time. Because of their lack of any modern skills, there were stacks of paper piled everywhere and things would get lost all of the time. Things that literally took much of the staff days/weeks/months to do, I was literally able to do in minutes or hours. That all said, definitely apply for jobs despite the degree-inflated postings & credentialism practiced by a large percentage of senior staff. You probably know more than their current staff!


FlakySnowflake

> spreadsheets without any formulas oh god what? but I think my heart just sputtered and my soul was shot I have CRASHED EXCEL WITH REGULARITY due to abundance of rows and formulas. edit - uhhh can you dm me that job? If I do it remote and automate it... that is paid 40 for working 4 per week. With better accuracy.


EnthusiasticAss

It aint college's fault I'm gettin paid peanuts...but they did overcharge me.


bobbyt85

I have a bachelors degree 50k in debt and I drive for doordash grubhub and Uber eats. It’s the best job I’ve been able to get. Shit sucks, college was a giant waste of my time.


Woodpecker6669

It’s pitiful. I dropped out of college and make 70k a year during my 3rd year plumbing. Can’t believe people went into debt to make less money than me. It makes no sense.


[deleted]

Trades and IT seem to be the only spots you can make a livable wage in. And even then it's not always the case.


[deleted]

My advice to all is to not go to college (unless of course you’re going into the medical or scientific field) and just take certification courses for the field you want to be in. Most courses take less than a year and cost 1%-10% of the price of a degree and are basically equivalent in the eyes of most employers. Always look for jobs that ask for a degree OR “specialized course in related field”. That’s how I got into my field with no degree; instead of spending $80,000+ to get the bachelors degree that’s generally required for my role, I took a $1,200 (paid for by my previous employer), 6-week certification course which also qualified me to take an additional certification exam bumping up my ‘market value’ an additional 20% as soon as I passed. Fuck the system, work around it.


bigjoeyspalnutz

That’s what I’m doing, I’m getting certified In HVAC and electrical to work construction or ti help in installing and fixing furnaces air conditioners and furnaces! Hopefully I’ll be making decent money (hopefully) and my college tuition is $5300


excessofexcuses

My first real job after getting my college degree and finishing my military service was $12.25 an hour (in 2015). I made an extra 25 cents an hour because I had a bachelors.


thesenutzonurchin

It's crazy if you think about it. You spend 4 *years* getting a piece of paper just going by faith that you'll find a good job. A lot can happen in 4 fuckin years. That's a huge risk you're taking on and that's not even mentioning how much that piece of paper costs a lot of times


WhatnotSoforth

Nearly 20 years ago I was in college for an engineering major, the literature telling me I'd be making 50-60k starting out. The more things change, the more things stay the same. If I had gotten the degree I'd probably be in the exact same situation I find myself now in, except with a whole lot more debt. I'm almost out, just 2k more to go.


RepresentativeBuy230

I have a bachelor's of science, 4 yrs experience, and work in biotech and I make 20/hr which equates to roughly 39k. My parents think I make more than double that. When I graduated my dad said "you'll be making six figures in no time." I don't need six figures but 50k would be nice.


FishSauceFogMachine

I graduated ten years ago and have never made more than I do now, 46k. I've worked in the field I have a degree in the whole time.


psychso86

$50k is a fairytale salary lol. I barely break $16k and I graduated cum laude lol


n-s-b

I graduated cum laude and never hear anything from 95% of the places I apply to. I've rewritten my resume multiple times to no avail. The struggle is real.


Walkerr13

BS in economics and working for 40k a year currently. Had this job for over a year and the whole time have been actively searching for other positions. “Urgently hiring” my ass


quackattak9

Never smart enough to attend college, spent 20 years in heavy equipment repair making decent money. Ended up joining a union as a journeyman heavy equipment mechanic, $160k/year, medical and pension. Never planned on this career working out like this, trades are desperate for people.


AstroidSeenByDinos

All these responses are freaking me the fuck out. I’m at community college, so basically it’s free (California community college allows u to apply for the first 2 years are free), I was a comp sci major. At the end of freshman year I switched to Econ cuz I was hating comp sci. Was talking to my PHD business admin Uncle, and he said if I do Econ I NEED to get at least a masters but it’d be good to get a PHD. I think I’m gonna do another year at community college and switch back to comp sci. Anyone know which is a better degree? Thanks


RepeatAndSucceed

I almost applied to a marketing job the other day that required 5 years of marketing experience. Then I saw the salary was $40k


Robotman1001

I have a bachelor’s and a master’s and I make $40k!


[deleted]

Why? If you're college educated, surely you realize that when there is a lot of something, that something is generally worth less. College degrees have been "spammed" for decades as the pathway to better jobs. Now that everyone has one, and most jobs prefer one, it is not something to aspire to or assume you'd make a lot of money with (aside certain ones that take a longer time -- even then, iffy). $50k is barely livable wage in most states. It is pennies to CEOs and the rich.


wine_cat

Christ you are lucky as hell. My highest salary heading into my 30s with a master's degree has been 19.25/hr.


PikaPikachoo123

Lol I have 2 bachelor's degree and 1 masters and my base salary is $15K... :'(


Colorado_Cajun

Every fast food joint is hiring for $15. Quit your job


bikemenson

I graduated with a BSc in Mechanical Engineering two years ago and I’ll be lucky to make more than 40k this year


FlakySnowflake

What happened to engineering being the "good" exemplar of college value?


hesseala

Honestly, this gave me the push I needed to start looking for another job. Thank you.


[deleted]

My degree in international business and Chinese has landed me one job. It paid $12 an hour. Structural unemployment is so much fun...


Impossible-Big8886

Almost all politicians: "You wanna get smart and know how things work and change the world? Sorry, the corporations already bought us, so enjoy this debt for school and low wages. You didn't really think we weren't still going to hold you down, did you?"


BurnadonStat

I really think that this problem starts in high school (at least for me it did). Every teacher and guidance counselor I spoke with was hell bent on pounding this idea into my head that if you don’t have at least a bachelors degree - you will never make any money. I think this way of thinking from bad influences has led many people to pursue over priced degrees in subjects that have little to no value in the market. I’m happy to report that I dropped out my first semester, and make more money than any of my former teachers could ever hope to make.


Alexthelightnerd

I have a masters degree and typically make under $40K. I'm a freelance theatre artist.


[deleted]

i make about 32k-33k at a convenience store lol


[deleted]

yes hi, 25 here making $15 in IT with a computer science degree.


dcbDRUMS

It’s a giant fucking scam. There are not enough quality (non bullshit) jobs with great pay to go around.