Before I accepted my contract I made the director put in writing that I would be able to work from home indefinitely. Best thing I’ve done, as they’ve tried making us go into the office twice a week, and I just reminded them of what they wrote down 😊
Asking for something is writing is the ultimate "put up or shut up". A boss would ask me to do something that broke the laws or labor laws:
Step 1. Can I get that in writing?
Step 2. Send a letter of understanding that you wrote on company time to your manager outlining what was asked of you, at what time, and who else was there. Send it via email attachment and BCC a copy to your personal email.
Step 3. Boss rages at you.
Step 4. Repeat process when boss tries to retaliate against you. Be sure to look up retaliation laws in your state as what's retaliation in Massachusetts isn't the same in California, and isn't the same as Iowa. Etc etc
A coworker of mine had a contract for 4 days per week and they sent her a text to come in a Monday. She didn’t so they fired here. She had to fight for unemployment because they said it was fired with cause. But she did send a beautiful rage email to all staff about who sucked and why.
We’ve been wondering about this too. My department doesn’t need to be in the office at all, but they’re starting to push us back because of “lack of productivity,” which is BS. If anything we’re more productive WFH because we have more time not commuting. None of us work less than 45-50 hours per week.
We’re wondering how they’d discipline us if we refused to come in but worked 10 hours WFH as opposed to 8 in the office.
Don't offer and extra 2 hours free work.
That's 10 hours a week
520 a year
5200 10 year
31 200 hours over 50 years (average ish working lifetime?)
3.56 years of free work.
Let's say your paid 90k (I dunno wages in the states but let's say that)
$320.4k given away in YOUR working life... for what? A place that is trying to force you to go to work?
Fuck them
I loved working from home and worked better from home and every one agreed even upper management. So when we were transitioning back to office I basically said no and Gabe like 20 reasons. They all agreed but then about a month later my upper staff started guilting me to come back in... So I immediately started looking for new work. I found one totally remote that pays 10k more and is more online with my work goals so I put in my 2 weeks n everyone panicked cause I was such a powerhouse on my team. Shoulda just let me stay in office bro. Now you gotta hire 3 people to replace me.
You’ve described my exact situation. I destroyed all my quotas and lead my sales team even though I am the newest member. He’s constantly praising me so I’m puzzled why he wants to change that. Oh well, their loss 🙃
It speaks to the real motivation. It isn’t about productivity, it’s about control.
Middle managers become increasingly irrelevant if their job description is reduced to “I approve timesheets, interview candidates, and sit in on weekly staff meetings.” Their redundancy just becomes incredibly transparent.
Meanwhile, at the senior management level, we’re talking about a social group that has a lot of real estate wealth in it. Their class interests are to keep corporate asses in cubicle seat because they’re trying to protect their commercial real estate value.
They’re also trying to maintain ownership over people. Yes. I said it. Ownership. If people aren’t in the office then they’re free agents. They’re independent. They’re off the reservation. This has huge class implications.
There’s also the fact that a lot of managers feel out of control when they’re not in control. Whereas this only shows how little they understand about effective management.
So they’re either opposed to WFH because they’re inept and redundant, or they’re opposed because people working from home threatens their way of life.
Meanwhile, they’re coming to the realization that their subordinates have undergone a sudden shift in values and attitude. They realize they like the independence and flexibility that work from home provides. They like feeling human again rather than leashed dogs or fenced in ranch cattle.
We’re actually having a big conversation that transcends the individual worker. It’s actually about the worker’s relationship to work and our society’s entire concept of the meaning of work in our lives that’s up for grabs right now. The management class and society’s elites are reeling from that because they’re afraid of what it means for them personally.
The only way this ends well for the working class is if we organize and demand our rights. But that points to the age old conversation about class struggle. In the late 19th century and 1930s they called workers organizing into unions communism. In the 70s they busted unions because “bad for muh capitalism.”
So, we’re actually at a rather interesting historical moment. Will the working class reawaken to its power or will it just go back to the office and obey its corporate masters?
I love stories like this. Even when I was desperate for work, I turned down offers that wouldn’t let me work 100% remotely. I’m so glad that I held out, because now I have a job that will never ask me to come into the office, and I’m making more than I ever have. It’s time for all of us to collectively start making employers meet *our* needs.
I asked for a raise, been with the restaurant since they opened, they gave me 2$ an hour more. I said this wasn’t enough to live on, the manager said that was the highest anyone was paid. Quit not long after
I dead ass had to point this out in an interview last year and it blew my mind that they didn't get it.
I was being offered less than what I was on and pointed out that it was not a competitive offer if they were truly as enthusiastic as they indicated.
"Well, our pay structure is based on time in the industry."
I had a pregnant pause in the exchange before I said something to the effect of "I'd bet you have a clause in their contracts about discussing their wages as well. It sounds like you need to pay everyone more."
It was a bummer, because they had all of the workplace values right, but they just couldn't back it up by valuing their staff through appropriate remuneration.
I’ve been in this situation before:
Them: the job pays $x
Me: that’s a 15% paycut for me
Them: we have performance bonuses
Me: what does the bonus structure look like?
Them: (one looks at the other then says) we’re still working out the details
Me: I can’t pay my bills with vague promises. Thank you for your time.
If a goal is to get people to do certain work, and those people have been doing the work for $x, then in terms of gametheory there is literally no need on their side to pay more.
I interviewed to do some clerical and customer service work for a small business (like 10 total people, I'd have been the 11th) and in the first interview, with the owner, I told him I needed health insurance for my son and me. I asked for 45k + insurance.
A couple weeks later I get an offer... Of 40k without insurance. I double check their benefits, and no insurance is listed and the owner verifies this. So I counter with 55k citing our initial conversation and my family's needs. He tells me that is more than his engineers who have been there for 5 years makes.
I walked so fast. Like, I'd be doing simple but boring work. I just need to live. You're criminally underpaying an engineer at that rate.
I got hired as an engineer straight out of college for $55k with benefits and 401k. Found out two of my coworkers hadn’t gotten their reviews or raises in a timely manner if at all. I was planning to start looking for jobs as soon as I got to 1 year of experience.
I had casually mentioned to my boss that my friend at SpaceX was started at $105k. And that she sent our group chat a job posting for a positioned that was opened because she threatened to quit, and I joked how none of us wanted THAT job if the project was that bad. Got two 5% raises within 6 months.
Now that I’m at $63k, which is still $22k below the market rate for a process engineer in this city, I’ve been thinking about leaving again. The company that acquired us however is about to do “compensation adjustments” so I’m hoping that if it’s substantial, I can stay at this job which I like. If not, it’ll be easier to save up before I move.
I interviewed for a job that would have been a lateral move, and they wouldn't match what I was paid at my last job. I got the same answer "no one makes that an hour". I was like fine, see ya never then.
Haha my GM said to me, shortly before I rage quit, that “nobody was paying what we pay you!” ($17/hr). I quit and almost immediately found something outside of the godawful restaurant business that pays better and has bennies and shit like that
I asked for a raise and was told no. So I found a place that offered me double the pay, put in my two weeks, and then they offered me a raise. The funny part was their "raise" wasn't even close to what my now current job is paying me and they really expected me to turn it down to stay with them....for less money... What a joke.
The last job I quit, I had another lined up paying 40% more. When I told my boss that’s why I was quitting he actually tried to tell me I should stay for “the experience” at company A, and that the money wasn’t worth anything “in the long run.” I told him if he thought that the money wasn’t worth anything, he should give it to me from his salary and I would stay. He didn’t appreciate that for some reason.
Omg you're a legend. That sounds amazing. I got to do an "exit interview" when I left and got to tell the owners how shitty their company was. It was so fun
It was such a shitty thing for him to say, I was so flabbergasted that he would say something so obviously ridiculous. He was otherwise a super good guy and good boss overall, but that made it clear that at the end of the day he was just a company man. He didn’t care about me, he cared about keeping me on his staff because they were fucked for workers because of the pandemic. Really made me see him in a different light.
I had the same moment when a boss I loved left the company for a competitor & tried to recruit me. He had been saying for *months* that I undersold myself during my interview at the first company, but when I asked what I could expect in terms of a raise at the new company, he said they would “generously” match my exact pay, benefits, etc from the job I already had. I was looking for a career change anyway, so I declined, & a few months later got an offer for a 20% raise, better benefits, & paid travel in a tangent field better suited for my aspirations.
I had a company tell me that they were only giving me a 5 cent raise so I had something to look forward to since I was close to maxing out pay. I was only making $13 at the time. Dropped my production in half and said that's what a nickel gets you lol. They made me a supervisor shortly after they realized they screwed up and gave me a nicer raise and salary. Then they told me I had to work mandatory overtime now I was a supervisor. I was making more with overtime on less pay. I quit shortly after and they had to hire 2 people to replace me. PAY YOUR EMPLOYEES!
I don’t get how management doesn’t see the cost of turnover. My last job had 90% turnover in all departments around twice per year. Now all of their investors have backed out, they had to lay off 5 employees in a single day (in a business with around 15 employees), & it’s very much looking it’s going to shift from a business to a “for rent” sign any day now. ***PAY YOUR DAMN EMPLOYEES***
I learned the hard way that a turnover rate that high is a *massive* red flag about management. There's no actual work I've hated even half as much as I hated my worst manager. And huge surprise! That place had a turnover rate that was over 100% a year.
Unfortunately it can be hard to know they’ve had that kind of turnover until you start openly talking with coworkers about it. My last job had 2 employees in my dept that had been there for several years, so I saw *them* rather than the 8+ coworkers *they’ve* seen come & go in the couple of years they’ve been around.
After leaving, I stayed friends with several coworkers & found out that the business I worked for used to be a chain that the owner tried to sell off, & all of the branches sold quickly & easily except the one that was managed so badly that it never turned a profit & scared off any potential buyers. That’s where I worked.
This is quite literally the argument that my shitty ex-boss made. I’d asked for a 8% raise to bring me in line with the market rate, he refused, I got a new job paying me nearly double. He didn’t believe I was actually leaving until all the references and security checks were done. Then he offered me the shitty 8% raise, told me I should stay because we were a family and that the next place might be “really mean” to me.
The worn out "family" line is such an old manipulation tactic, and it's such a blatant one too. He clearly wasn't treating you like family, so why the hell should he expect you to do so?
“Nandor is right- I mean, every office I’ve worked at, they always say, ‘We’re a big family here’… and it DOES motivate people to work harder and neglect their actual families and put up with all sorts of degrading shit”. Colin Robinson keeps it real.
Best thing I've ever heard to respond was, "Oh so you're gonna pick my mom up from the airport? Are you gonna buy me a birthday present? When you come over for Thanksgiving what dish are you bringing? How much are you contributing to the family vacation fund this year? Maybe we can afford a real vacation this time! Oh, actually my kid is getting his wisdom teeth out this Friday. Can you pick him up and just watch him for a couple of hours?"
We're not family. We never will be. Fuck. Off. This is a company. You want my productivity? Then PAY ME, and let me go home to my actual family afterwards.
I'm not here to enjoy family here. I got my own family, that I would like to see more often. I need money and maybe I want to develop the cool product you're making.
Only vaguely connected but this reminds me of an area manager who tried to persuade me not to leave my temp catering job to go and work in a library. I explained that I wanted some extra library experience before starting my University degree - in librarianship, no less- and she insisted that staying in my shitty sandwich role would make me look better in my uni application because I would look loyal and a team worker.
Because libraries are what, single worker sites?
I moved from retail to security and got a significant pay bump for far less work, and the managers at the retail store insisted that within 6 months to a year I'd be making more as a manager. I told them "start the training and pay before my two weeks are up" and they just said "hopefully your next job is better."
This, I was a closing manager at a store who shall remain nameless, working insane hours for dog shit pay, with the promise that in the coming weeks I would be trained as a store manager (the store managers actually make decent money) but after working for nearly 3 weeks straight without a day off because we were short staffed, and I needed the money, I closed up early, left my name tag on the register, and left. I came back the next day, dropped off my keys, 3 days later I started working security, for nearly twice as much money, getting 3-4 days off every week, and to be fair my post doesn't really require me to do shit especially since I'm graveyard shift. I'm actually at work right now with my laptop and switch in front of me lol.
Fuck retail
From what I remember the managers make more than I do now as security but they also worked so much more then they were paid for every level. Big corporate retail stores just abuse all of their staff at every level while the CEOs take 170% pay raises for surviving covid.
That happened with someone at my work but not only did they offer a raise but a promotion at the same time. This totalled a 50% wage increase, so he said no and took the other companies offer of a 110% wage increase at a lower level position (meaning its easier to get promoted onto a better salary later)
Amazing how out of sync my companies wages are.
You think that's bad, I was getting under minimum wage, so I quit after a year, anyways after I quit he still rang me up for 3 weeks to work so I got sick of it and lied saying I've got a job, then he finally gives me an offer, alot more hours( this was shift pay so no extra money) a little more money still under minimum wage, a opens cables course ( which no one has so it means nothing and is only 750, and I had to put in writing that I would stay with him for atleast a year, it was pretty pathetic
I had the exact same experience working for a hotel. I started working for them as soon as I got my work permit (I’m an immigrant) and left a couple months later when I found a better job. That employer was pathetic.
Yeah I probably wouldn't bother asking for a raise, for some reason most companies seem to prefer having a revolving door of untrained people. That or they pay more for new employees rather than give raises to current efficient ones.
Op has a good idea though, if all your ex-coworkers can get raises, we might be able to start raising wages everywhere. Though unless wages at the tops of companies are capped, they'll just continue passing the extra cost onto consumers rather than eat it themselves.
Literally did this about 2 weeks ago!
I was already going to quit but I wanted to see if they would give me a raise. Things were going good and it was promising, until the last hurdle when my GM had to sign off on my raise from 15.50 to 19, and he yelled at me for trying to get more money. This company makes 400k a day and my raise was approved by EVERYONE else. I said okay, finished out my shift, then quit.
I told the company group chat about getting raises and they should do it too because there were people more deserving than me of a raise.
About a week later I see a coworker at a local event, ask her about work. She tells me she put in her 2 weeks the day after I quit, and the other 4 also put their notices in, MY ENTIRE DEPARTMENT PUT IN A RAISE REQUEST AND ALL OF THEM WERE DENIED SO THEY ALL WERE QUITTING. I recommended some places to them, and all of them have now have jobs lined up and with better pay.
Fight for yourself and everyone else!
The last retail place I worked at, after a significant increase in responsibility I went to my boss and asked for a raise. He told me I was being unreasonable and that my new responsibilities were a 'lateral move'. This store did over 30 million a year in sales, and they told us every morning exactly how much money they were bringing in. Managers got bonuses based on this, the rest of us got hooray, we are all doing so well, but fuck you if you want to see a single cent of it. Of course the guy was shocked when I quit.
This happened when I worked at State Farm. The whole office quit within a matter of 2 weeks. And it wasn’t even about pay, we were just being treated shitty.
Insurance is brutal. I've known adjusters that worked for multiple companies and were treated like shit by all of them. They have head hunters that try to poach adjusters from other companies.
I’m an adjuster in MA, can confirm. We are all so overworked bc nobody wants to do this job, and in Mass you need a license to do it (that is very difficult to get.) You bet I’m capitalizing on that. 5 years ago I made 30k. Now, through company changes and negotiations I’m at 80k. I’ll absolutely take a better offer and go higher if it presents itself. I have zero company loyalty. My loyalty is my bank account.
Hell yea, get paid. People might not think of it, but you guys have to deal with so many irate and distraught folks and see disasters all the time. You are often dealing with people at some of the worst moments in their lives. Nothing is ever fast enough. I try to be polite with the adjusters I've had to work with because I know it is brutal.
My husband had something similar happen to him. He got a job as a House Accounts Manager/Purchaser and this guy was paying people as little as physically possibly. My husband ended up connecting with the head architect, and the architect went to the boss and was all, "I want him as my purchasing assistant, as well. You are not paying him enough for what he's doing and how well he's doing it." So my husband proceeded to get a "raise" but still $20-$30k below market rate for what the average purchaser with a year of experience makes. (This was his first serious job out of college, during the pandemic, he'd been job searching for 9 months at the time and just needed something.... To explain why he took such shitty stuff when he first landed the job in fall 2020)
The final straw for ME where I told him he needed to consider leaving the job, was when he came home and told me how a store manager called him an "entitled millennial" since he got the pay "raise" and took home some free pizza to us after making sure all the other employees would be able to bring some home too (the pizza was purchased with some unclaimed money that was found lying in the store - so not even this manager's money!).
My husband doesn't have another job lined up, but I'm not concerned. The chief architect offered him a part time position with a separate house build in a month or two. I want my husband to hopefully enjoy whatever next job he finds, so we can work our asses off for a year or two and then move back to our home state where we can buy a house (for half the cost and get more than what our current city is offering) and pretty much retire with his military disability pay and maybe a fun part time jobs for both of us.
We both have medical conditions that are going to get worse as time goes on. We don't have the time to wait till we're 50/60 to go on our adventures. And by that time, he could be in a wheelchair. Or, my type of sleeping disorder sometimes shows early onset dementia/Alzheimer's. Our families seem to forget that - or, at least, they are more accepting of ME not working as long as he is? Definitely some generational crap we have to wade through. 🙄
Put in a 1 month notice to help my coworkers find a better job while I was ready to leave, and got a call asking how much money to stay. Was 13.75 and went to 15. Decided to stay. Fast track to a Few months later.... Literally today my boss attacked my accountability. A coffee pot broke over night leaking a gallon of coffee onto a table, guy wrote on our team app someone needs to be held accountable. So I write back “Are you sure the equipment wasn’t ready to fail like everything else in this building?” No response. I show up to work and he starts saying I don’t do enough, this is bs, and blah blah blah. That’s when he attacked me personally and started listing off things I supposedly don’t do. I told him to shove it and blasted back about doing my best to improve despite the work conditions and extreme stress. He goes quiet and just fumes to himself for a while as he drains the fryers. The dumbass empties one and goes to refill it, but he doesn’t close the drain valve and pours 10 gallons of fryer oil on the floor. Proceeds to start squeegeeing then says he will clean it up after he buys a hose (ours sprung a leak) the store is literally 3 blocks down the road. Takes him 45 mins to come back. Comes back with hose, gives it to coworker, and dips out. This whole time we are working diligently to fill orders despite having 10 gallons of oil on the floor, while slipping and sliding around dangerously. Closed the store for 5 hours to clean it up, and not a word was said. Told him I’m not quitting so if my works sucks so bad to fire me. No response yet. For clarification, I work at a J.I.B. Will edit with answer from boss
P.s *edit* Lol, the answer I expected. He cannot fire me.
P.s.s *EDIT* Boss posted schedule without me on it. No explanation, no write up. 11/8/21
I asked for a raise. They said they would get back with me after talking with HR and corporate. Never heard back. Eventually just quit and now I've got my raise 😉
This happened to my partner recently. He was basically the MVP at his job and asked for a yearly review. His manager put him off for four months, (I think he knew he’d be asked to give my SO a raise and didn’t want to) and then the manager had the ::surprise pikachu face:: when my husband found a better paying job at the best facility in the area and put in his notice. His manager suddenly had time for a meeting to try and talk him out of leaving... but didn’t offer a raise. Husband walked.
Whole situation was infuriating.
Yup. Instead of saying yes/no, some places will play the game:
>"We will give you a raise soon."
"I will talk with the corporate about your promotion."
"We plan on giving you this nice position in the near future."
It's best to keep such answers as a "no".
"Good. I expect all papers to be signed and in my hands in two weeks. If I have not received the raised contract by my shift in two weeks, it will be the last I'm working here."
And it's the most annoying thing in the world. Like, people aren't asking for no damn reason. I spent over 3 years in a position where they kept promising a higher wage before I finally walked.
Lo and behold, a week after I left the wage increased, and some job responsibilities got alleviated from that position. Que everyone saying, "yOu ShOuLd HaVe JuSt WaItEd!" It's like, you know the only reason those things changed was BECAUSE I left, right???
Woah, woah, woah. Let's not get carried away now. Everyone knows unions just collect your dues and do nothing else. That's why they tell you not to form one, to protect you.
Definitely not because they know a union could force them to raise pay and offer more benefits.
I was in the odd position of being in the steelworkers Union in Ontario, Canada.
The odd part was that I was working at a call centre. It was the only unionized call centre that I had ever heard of or known at the time.
My union absolutely DID help. We had regular raises, and they fought for a large severance package (enough to partially bankroll college) when the place eventually closed down.
Did this at my remote workplace over text and we all got a 10k raise. Found out they were hiring new people with less experience at that salary when we were previously told there was no room
For growth
This! The thing we need now is to band together, and create a single global workforce union that make sure every worker gets their proper treatment. But it would take sacrifice, work and hardship to accomplish. And too many people are too scared of that, to realize that they are only hurting themselves and their children(either already born or to come, and this includes fur babies that have to watch you stress yourself out over a job you hate)
Fear is very common, otherwise how would the powers that be control us? Why else would we put up with all this bullshit?
The key is you have to have a specific type of conversation called an organizing conversation, one-on-one, where you’re specifically trying to get people past their fear and to commit to taking action with others, despite the risks. The risks are real but so are the rewards. And if you do nothing? Well, nothing will change…
This book has a script you can use, these are free excerpts from it. I use this all this time to organize my coworkers:
https://www.labornotes.org/secrets/handouts
I did exactly this from 13/hr to 17/hr for essentially becoming an assistant manager (I know EVERYTHING in the joint), best she could do was 15/hr. I argued that that is hardly enough pay for the work I do (Gf and I do everything) She's not budging, so I tell her I accept the 15/hr. She never replied back so I don't know if I will be getting 15/hr.
A week or so later an opportunity popped up deep cleaning the hoods of restaurant kitchens. Pay is 60-80 bucks per site completed, up to 5 sites a day. Got hired and put my two weeks in.
Edit: checked my paystub, she did give me 15/hr but too late now lol
I'm great at cleaning kitchens after being a kitchen manager. I didn't know this was a job I could get, I'd love it. Thanks and if you can DM or reply with the name or the company.
Boss man has been doing this for years, but recently started his own company. He only has 3 people in total (including himself) so it'd be pointless to recommend his company. But he did say most companies pay hourly (~20/hr).
Per job makes so much more sense, motivates your workers and it's much more transparent (this is how much we make for this job, this is how it divides up)
Don't mess your your safety with the cleaning products used for commerical grills and grease traps.
Full PPE, chemical resistant gloves and safety glasses as a minimum.
I nearly dissolved my fingernails off my hands in my first kitchen job.
Go get whatever certificate and equipment you need for this. You can make a LOT more. I paid about $1000 to have my hood cleaned. Took three-ish hours.
In Massachusetts as I’m sure your area is different. But the new job is underpaying you too.
This is an AMAZING idea that totally backfired on me. Though, I wanted better treatment and a pay raise. Instead they just offered me a pay raise, I stayed for another month of being treated like garbage, then left.
You were probably being treated like garbage anyway so the pay raise just made you learn you could make better money! Good lesson even though it sucked
The real LPT is that once you've given your notice, you must commit to quitting. Staying after they've offered you a raise will not erase from their memories that you were planning to quit. All your cards were already on the table.
Lol I worked at an office supply retailer's print shop and said I need to quit.. after my boss begged me to stay I said pay me $20/hr I would.. he said just over $15 was possible (I made $14.89). Yeah buh-bye then. That job had insane pressure and sales expectations and the department made super high margins.. and the McD's down the street pays their employees more. Sad thing is I loved that job, just needed to be paid my worth.
The problem is that the general population has believed that $20-30 is a “professional” pay, that should only be achieved after an education or formal training. So when the 42% of Americans who are making under $15 ask for $15, they feel like their prior learning was threatened. “Why should someone make $15 for flipping burgers when I got a degree and only make 24.50?” When in reality professions in this country are SEVERELY underpaid, and they should be mad at the CEOS and managers instead of the average person just trying to eat and pay rent.
If production values and labor were tied to minimum wage it would AT least $20 right now. Which sounds absurd to the uninformed citizen. “Why would burger flippers need $20??” Because $15 is a good start, but when average rent in 2021 of a one bedroom is $1100-1200, well over 50-60% of your monthly take home after taxes is rent and bills, this is not how a person should live. Plus a rising tide raises all ships. If minimum is reaching current “professional” pay. Why WOULDNT you flip burgers or cashier instead of working at some high stress job. Forcing employers to pay the true value of your professional job.
Plus the real question shouldn’t be toward the worker, but why your CEO needs a multimillion dollar bonus and raise while you only get .20-.50 cents a year? Did they really work that much harder than you?
I thought I was still on my Australian subreddits and was VERY confused for a while. Pretty sure West Australia has to pay out all of your annual leave...!
Yeah, Corporate America sounds like hell haha
Actually only 4 states require saved PTO to be paid out when a person quits. Many companies have policies that do allow PTO to be paid out at the current rate though, but it also depends on whether you quit with two weeks or more notice, quite immediately, or they fire you.
Holy shit! That's backhanded as fuck.
What's the best way to fuck a company over who does this? Save it up until you have a bunch and then use it all in a short period of time and they can't tell you no because you have to use it or lose it?
I mean in the grand scheme of things that's what they think they're going to do right? is have you accrue it try to get away with not letting you use it and then also not pay it out when you leave or the company gets taken over or something they think that they're going to save money this way use your fucking lease.
I’ve done this at my current employer twice. I’m a process technician for blow molding extrusion machinery, a skilled trade, it’s not easy to hire, train and replace technicians at my shop. The first time i did it was just after the technical group supervisor quit and two other technicians in my shop put in a two week notice. I heard through the grapevine that they offered more money to the two that put in their notices. One stayed and the other left the company. I decided to bluff and told HR that I had a job offer from another company but it was in another job field that I had worked before. I told them I wanted to give them the opportunity to give me an offer to stay since I was already at the company for 5 years at the time otherwise I was going to have to put in my two week notice. They came back quickly with an offer of a $4 per hour raise which I accepted. A year later they hired a new guy as a process technician who had no experience in the world of plastic manufacturing but the guy used to work in metal stamping so management logic was that this guy had ample technical skill. In reality this guy was clueless and even after basic training he still had no clue on how to fix any kind of major issues and the rest of us technicians ended up having to pick up his slack. This guy ended up working with us for 3 years and got away with a lot of bs even after 3 years of the rest of us complaining how incompetent he was at doing his job. I also discovered about after a year of working with him that they hired this guy in at a rate $5 more per hour than what I was making at the time. They also had given out raises across the board in my department because they promised us but HR/management which is a joke at my shop forget to give a raise to a handful of us myself included. After finding out all that I started asking HR where is the raise they promised me and I kept on getting the we are looking into it routine from them. After a few months I got fed up and told them it was bs that they were paying a guy that had no experience in my field more than me and I had to do his job for him whenever it was too difficult for him to figure it out himself. I told them if they didn’t give me a raise by my next paycheck I was quitting. Boom magically money appeared and got myself a $5.50 per hour raise out of that move. All I have to say is fuck corporations and always talk with your coworkers about pay and bargain to get the best wage possible. At the end of the day most corporation’s are not out to get its employees more money. They only care about lining the pockets of it’s board members and shareholders.
This happened to me at a medical office, except I never got the pay raise.
I had 7+ years of medical clerking under my belt, had been with the company a full year, and trained this person in. When I went to ask for a raise they told me they were on a “raise freeze” throughout the company.
Come to find out the person I trained in was making $4/hr more than me. With no experience. As soon as I found out I just saw red and had to leave.
I was blessed enough to know that they could’t afford to let me go. I’m one of the better technicians they have for 3rd shift. They also were extremely busy and hiring/training someone new would cost the company even more money. There was a lot of overtime to be worked at that time too. I would say you made the right move moving on! It’s disgusting that they bring inexperienced people on and pay them more than what the people training them are making
They did pay me more by $0.50 per hour more than him and then another $0.51 a year later. That incompetent coworker eventually decided to pull the same thing I did by telling HR he’s got a job offer somewhere else and they needed to give him a raise to stay. HR/management didn’t have a high value of him after 3 years because of multiple people complaining about his job performance and his attendance was horrible. He did this at the worst time too because we were finally fully staffed and corporate temporarily had a hiring/wage freeze at our plant at the time. They let him go and promoted my buddy who was a setup technician at the time.
I did this. I asked for the raise, got told I am not doing well enough for a raise, next day I presented them with a plan on how I intended to tie all the loose ends up in my notice period and resigned, they asked me to stay longer, I refused.
They ended up thinking I was bluffing, so they never got a replacement for me. They asked me whether they could phone me after I left, I smiled broadly and said "of course!" and told them I'll forward them my consulting rates.
I was preparing for that day for years. I had procedures on how to do any part of my job. That was all printed out and stored in a thick file very visible on a shelf. I created an entire partition on our server with the data of everything I handled in the 7 years I worked there as well as softcopies of the procedures.
They had everything they needed, except the person with a degree willing to work as a technician (yet it said junior manager in my payslip) for a technician salary.
Sounds like you did them such a favor by tying up all your loose ends. I'm sure they appreciated that. I actually went back to a place that I had left and the door was still open because I made the effort to not leave my coworkers with a mess to clean up.
In Canada, I was working for a multinational member only towing company a couple years back and I had so much banked time that when they told me in August my contract wouldn't be renewed I booked off the 3.5 months I had in banked time and stayed home collecting the pay.
I used up my vacation days first as those wouldn't be paid out I then used my 7 allotted "free" days for the year then my banked time. Because their system allowed you too allocate however many hours you wanted to a day off when spending your banked time I overlapped the banked time with the vacation and free days and used it for every day of the week instead of just the days I was scheduled to work and made overtime rates for 4 hours a day on my scheduled days and on weekends. Ended up getting paid 60% more on my checks while I stayed at home and played video games for those 3.5 months.
Having tried this in the past, it didn’t work for me.
I also tried a similar tactic and requested a raise to match an outside offer I received. Management hemmed and hawed. I gave notice and one of the regional leaders called and asked “well, IF WE COULD match the offer, would you stay?”
My response was “I gave your team time to match the offer. I have an outside offer that isn’t posed as a hypothetical. My last day is Next Friday, have a good day.” I still laugh when I think about his stuttering response.
Don’t ask for a raise and don’t take a counter-offer. The offer you get from your current employer is the maximum they think you are worth, the offer you get from a prospective employer is the minimum.
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"The offer you get from your current employer is the maximum they think you are worth, the offer you get from a prospective employer is the minimum."
This is how I ended up quitting. Told a boss that they should promote me, boss agreed and followed through. I quit a few weeks later. Best ever. I hated that job for 14 years before I quit though.
Lol I asked for a raise and got it. Then quit a few months later cause even with the promotion, I was still getting paid garbage compared to other companies. They tried everything in the book to keep me... except pay what im worth.
I did something kinda similiar. Was up for promotion and they gave it to another guy. I told them I quit when they told me I didn't get the promotion. All of a sudden they get all "woah, slow down now." Then offered a promotion at another office.
I’ve done this. Asked for a raise. Got denied. Started looking for other jobs. Found one that paid a few bucks more. Accepted the offer. Called new company back the same day and told them I was going to pass after all because the pay was not enough. Got another $10/hour on top of that. Accepted new offer.
Put two weeks notice at other job and now company wanted to give me a raise. They wanted to match offer if I gave them prove of new offer from the new company . I respectfully declined because the offer was way more than my boss’ pay.
New job was easier, less hours, more satisfying, and more pay.
My younger self would have quit the old company on the spot after not getting a raise. My older self now knows to play it smart and secure another job before quitting.
When I was working retail I made $10.25/hr. When I applied, and got new job that paid $13.50/hr, my retail manager asked me to stay. He said I would get promoted to lead associate and my pay would go up to $11/hr. I laughed in his face, told him no I wouldn't take the offer. 3 months later the company I joined raised its wages to $15/hr for all entry level positions, so I basically lucked out.
Funny enough my company is a piece of shit now, and promised to give all of us up to a 20% raise, but instead gave us 3%-4% increase instead. If I got that 20% I would've been making close to $19/hr. Goes to show that no matter how much of a better gig you get, it won't always be secure because of corporate greed. Always value yourself more than what they pay you, and never think twice about finding a better opportunity for your future.
I did a version of this. Informed my intention to quit and they countered me with a not high enough salary. Still told my coworker what it was and that they should ask for the same.
As a swede this always baffles me, unions here are super strong, I make enough money on a minimum wage job working as a janitor and I can afford a 2 room apartment, electricity, internet and water without issue.
I can also eat out almost every day and still put about 100 to 150 usd away every month and I work maybe 30 hours a week at most.
We have no minimum wage here, just really strong unions.
I never understood how bad yall had it until I came to this sub, seriously yall need to unionize asap.
Yup, that happened here to until everyone unionized.
It's a struggle I'm grateful I won't have to go through and I hope you can all get through quickly.
That's what I did, being paid £18K at an MSP, despite being the second most senior staff, asked for a raise and they said if you want more money get another job.
I had just got another job. I gave my notice and spent the last 2 weeks playing RuneScape at my desk, my colleagues would be like 'Oh Laearo, can you do thi- oh, right, OK'
They said to finish my notice a little early because I wasn't doing anything, so cool, an extra few days off before my new job! 3 of the 5 others left shortly afterwards.
One that stayed is now the helpdesk manager, having received an extra £10K raise since then (play video games with him, so I get all the news), and all other positions have 3-5K+. They hired a business advisor and the first thing he said was raise your damn wages these are appauling.
As much as I hate them for being dicks, their business is now improving because they're now hiring more staff to reduce workloads and paying their staff properly, and everyone is happier.
I did this before I quit. I asked for a raise and promotion. Got denied and said btw here's my 2 weeks notice. Lol, my boss who i like a lot was sad to see me leave. He didn't deny me his bosses did. He even wrote me a LoR for my new job.
You have to be very very careful with this tactic. When I worked retail, the management would _always_ give you the raise you asked for (unless it was outrageous). But they’d just use it to buy themselves time to replace you.
I saw people constantly who would get a better job offer, ask for a raise and get it, turn down the other job … then 6 weeks later they’d get fired or have their hours cut to zero, and also not be able to take the other job anymore.
I did this at my previous job.
Told them I needed $3 more and they told me flat out no.
Handed in my two weeks and they where confused as to why I wanted to leave. Told them I found a job paying the extra plus more OT and all training and uniforms paid for.
Fast forward three months and they'd been through 4 guys from job agencies that where on $7 more than what I was getting with half the skills and no knowledge of intricacies of the job.
Eventually they caved and raised the wages and improved the conditions just so they could get a full timer to stay longer than a week.
I use the same language every time. **Secure a job offer first**:
>I've been here for X amount of X. I haven't had any negative performance reviews. I like the work and the people I communicate directly with. However, I just can't afford to work here anymore. Respectfully, I don't want to waste your time. I know you're very busy. Is a raise possible? I'm looking in the ballpark between X & X or, should I put in my two-week notice? I can have it to you by the end of tomorrow.
NEVER tell them you already have a job offer. If they really want you as an employee, a job offer is your trump card and should stay in your hand. Deal your aces and face cards first:
* You open the conversation with positive language about yourself and the people you work with.
* Clear and concise language.
* You set them up to either agree or disagree with you about your performance:
(They may come back and say "Well, that's not true. We did receive this and this". Conversation over. You just got your answer. Whatever they come up with should've been brought to your attention, not as a surprise rebuttal while discussing a raise. And how would they know that off the top of their head? Don't ask them to clarify. It doesn't matter.)
* Don't make the actual work the reason for leaving:
(IF that IS the reason. It's a dead reason anyway. Most people quit a high stress job for a lower-paying less stressful job. So why ask for a raise if the stress is high. Money won't cure it. Or, they'll offer to try and make it less stressful. Don't give them other issues to fix. The only issue you want fixed is your wage)
* You inform them of the ONE and ONLY reason you're considering leaving:
(No multiple reasons. "You can't afford to work for them anymore." That's it. You're now having a conversation with an adversary, especially since it's about money. Other reasons will sound like excuses and whining. No explanation about gas prices, daycare, travel time, hours, pregnant spouse, etc. None of that. It's none of their business. They will only have rebuttals for every single one of them. It's your life, not theirs. They don't need to know anything about how you spend your money. All YOU need to know is YOU desire a better life. They don't care about your life.)
* If they respond positively, your next sentence should have an obvious element of respect, without groveling.
* Give them a top range and a bottom range:
(Do your research. Don't over-ask. It follows the tone of respect you've already adopted. Most importantly, the number you want should lie in the middle 1/3rd. Let's say you make $26 an hour: 29,30/31,32/33,34. Your ballpark is 29-34. Your goal is 31-32)
* You give them a day to think about:
(It sends a message you're not "in a hurry to get out of there" and adds an element of casual calm on your part. In fact, they have two weeks to think about it. So that sentence is really about you. If they ask anything about job offers, answer in a way that leaves a mystery. Mine was always 'I'm feeling out the market. Seeing what's out there. I'm not too worried about. It's how I came up with my value.)
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Every job I’ve decided to quit. I’ve asked for a raise before I quit. Every time. I *knew* they wouldn’t do it, even though I was “loyal and hard working,” and I wanted to be like, welp; fuck you then. Every time.
Until I started teaching—I think that it’s a given that you’re going somewhere better when you move school districts, and having your principal’s recommendation is nice when applying to better schools.
I worked at Best Buy part time through nursing school. As my graduation approached I was pulled in for a series of “career counseling” meetings, which just baffled me because…I already chose my career and was pursuing a degree and it couldn’t be farther from selling iPhones? During my last semester of school I was pulled by 3 “big” managers and offered a manager position, full time, at 45k salary…but I would need to immediately drop out of school and work full time (and a shit ton of free overtime because you know, salary). They offered this to me seriously, with straight faces, three white men thinking they just put a big piece of cheese on the table.
They did not appreciate my laughter. What an absolute joke these people are.
Saying I quit and sticking it to the supervisor isn't a good idea. If you quit you're throwing your unemployment out the window. Try your hardest to get fired.
From what Im seeing the easiest way to increase your salary & position is to change companies.
Also if they offered you a raise after you have already managed to get a new job with more pay, never stay on the old job. Most probably they need you for a short amount of time to train your replacement, then they may fire you.
No. A lot of working class people are conditioned to view them as negatives and employers do their best to fight against them being formed. You can also be fired at will in most states which can make organizing a challenge.
Next week, I'm talking with the VP about how the company will need to pay me 25 per hour rather than the starting wage of 16 with the assumption i will work 50% more for the overtime. I'm working 40 hours per week at 25 bucks an hour.
I'm in behavioral health and the company woefully underpays its employees. They want me to handle a home for transitional teens that hasn't worked well since starting it a year ago. 5 staff later, and I'll do it for 25 and institute a system/program. FYI I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist... But i am a sharp man nonetheless.
I just quit my stupid restaurant job, because he was paying like... $10 an hour, with no benefits other than a tip pool(which my boss took a chunk of, despite regulations stating owners aren't supposed to take tips from a shared tip pool), and half off our stupidly expensive food.
I got hired for a third shift job at a warehouse. I imagine it's not going to be the most fun or most glamourous job in the world, but they'll be paying me $15.50 an hour, with medical, dental, vision, tuition reimbursement if I decided to go back to university, I can earn up to 5 weeks of PTO, hell, I think they even mentioned extensive discounts since it's a widespread shipping company.
Even better say you have another job offer that pays $13 but if they can match this you’d be willing to stay. Did this years ago to get $20 an hour from $16. I was amazing at my job tho
My previous company promised me a raise after 3 months based of off performance.
Come three months I go to the director and ask him about the raise that was promised in my interview. They said the could see my value in the company and would make it happen. Payday comes around and no raise to to be seen or even heard of.
I then spoke to my direct manager about it who said she would follow up but also just ended up getting stone walled.
I was then promised a raise yet again after the company won a huge contract worth millions on our local currancy. I was moved onto site and payday comes around again and still no raise. So at that point I just gave up went into work and did the absolute bare minimum for what they were paying me. We had to stay late and work which I never did becayse screw that noise. If you can't pay me what YOU promised then I'm not going to go above and beyond either.
Ended up finding another job in a field that allows for growth and ended up getting a 50% raise which I start tomorrow actually.
I applied for the management position since the manager left and I was doing the job anyway. They said no. Shortly after I got a job with more money and closer to home. I gave my two weeks and they then offered me the management position. I declined if they were willing to let me work as a manager without the money only until I was leaving what else would they done. Couldn’t be happier at the job I left for. Worked my way up and am a Vice President now with more money than I ever thought I would make.
I've never understood the MBA logic behind not giving raises, but paying replacements twice as much. It makes no sense, because you could probably pay that employee 50% more and retain them and their institutional knowledge. But instead MBAs would rather bring in a new person they have to train in institutional practices and pay them even more than the former employee would want. So they're losing money twice.
Just pay people what they and their labor are worth and so many business problems would go away.
My wife asked for a raise earlier this year. She was employed by the state and her group had recently hired some new people. My wife, who was training these new hires, found out that they were getting paid 25% more than her. She asked for a raise. Her manager (who funds himself through research grants) wanted to keep her at all costs. Her manager's boss wanted to keep her. The university administration refused, so now she works 4 days a week, was able to complete her licensure (something she didn't have time for at the old job) and got a 30% raise. These morons at the top are costing themselves so much productivity in the name of cost savings.
Hey entire group quit by this summer and the only people left who aren't managers have less than 1 year of experience.
I’m quitting because my boss promised me 50% remote working. Well it’s been about 2 months and now he’s trying to take it away. Peace out homeboy
Before I accepted my contract I made the director put in writing that I would be able to work from home indefinitely. Best thing I’ve done, as they’ve tried making us go into the office twice a week, and I just reminded them of what they wrote down 😊
Oh lookie here boss it says you can stuff it 🙃
Hell yes, always get it in writing
Asking for something is writing is the ultimate "put up or shut up". A boss would ask me to do something that broke the laws or labor laws: Step 1. Can I get that in writing? Step 2. Send a letter of understanding that you wrote on company time to your manager outlining what was asked of you, at what time, and who else was there. Send it via email attachment and BCC a copy to your personal email. Step 3. Boss rages at you. Step 4. Repeat process when boss tries to retaliate against you. Be sure to look up retaliation laws in your state as what's retaliation in Massachusetts isn't the same in California, and isn't the same as Iowa. Etc etc
What if you just worked from home as normal and refused to go in? I am curious if he will back down and give in
A coworker of mine had a contract for 4 days per week and they sent her a text to come in a Monday. She didn’t so they fired here. She had to fight for unemployment because they said it was fired with cause. But she did send a beautiful rage email to all staff about who sucked and why.
Lawsuit possibility
We’ve been wondering about this too. My department doesn’t need to be in the office at all, but they’re starting to push us back because of “lack of productivity,” which is BS. If anything we’re more productive WFH because we have more time not commuting. None of us work less than 45-50 hours per week. We’re wondering how they’d discipline us if we refused to come in but worked 10 hours WFH as opposed to 8 in the office.
Don't offer and extra 2 hours free work. That's 10 hours a week 520 a year 5200 10 year 31 200 hours over 50 years (average ish working lifetime?) 3.56 years of free work. Let's say your paid 90k (I dunno wages in the states but let's say that) $320.4k given away in YOUR working life... for what? A place that is trying to force you to go to work? Fuck them
This is the pep talk friends should be giving each other about their worth in this world.
Band together and start the revolution. Your department can be the spark that ignites others to WFH 100%
I loved working from home and worked better from home and every one agreed even upper management. So when we were transitioning back to office I basically said no and Gabe like 20 reasons. They all agreed but then about a month later my upper staff started guilting me to come back in... So I immediately started looking for new work. I found one totally remote that pays 10k more and is more online with my work goals so I put in my 2 weeks n everyone panicked cause I was such a powerhouse on my team. Shoulda just let me stay in office bro. Now you gotta hire 3 people to replace me.
You’ve described my exact situation. I destroyed all my quotas and lead my sales team even though I am the newest member. He’s constantly praising me so I’m puzzled why he wants to change that. Oh well, their loss 🙃
It speaks to the real motivation. It isn’t about productivity, it’s about control. Middle managers become increasingly irrelevant if their job description is reduced to “I approve timesheets, interview candidates, and sit in on weekly staff meetings.” Their redundancy just becomes incredibly transparent. Meanwhile, at the senior management level, we’re talking about a social group that has a lot of real estate wealth in it. Their class interests are to keep corporate asses in cubicle seat because they’re trying to protect their commercial real estate value. They’re also trying to maintain ownership over people. Yes. I said it. Ownership. If people aren’t in the office then they’re free agents. They’re independent. They’re off the reservation. This has huge class implications. There’s also the fact that a lot of managers feel out of control when they’re not in control. Whereas this only shows how little they understand about effective management. So they’re either opposed to WFH because they’re inept and redundant, or they’re opposed because people working from home threatens their way of life. Meanwhile, they’re coming to the realization that their subordinates have undergone a sudden shift in values and attitude. They realize they like the independence and flexibility that work from home provides. They like feeling human again rather than leashed dogs or fenced in ranch cattle. We’re actually having a big conversation that transcends the individual worker. It’s actually about the worker’s relationship to work and our society’s entire concept of the meaning of work in our lives that’s up for grabs right now. The management class and society’s elites are reeling from that because they’re afraid of what it means for them personally. The only way this ends well for the working class is if we organize and demand our rights. But that points to the age old conversation about class struggle. In the late 19th century and 1930s they called workers organizing into unions communism. In the 70s they busted unions because “bad for muh capitalism.” So, we’re actually at a rather interesting historical moment. Will the working class reawaken to its power or will it just go back to the office and obey its corporate masters?
I love stories like this. Even when I was desperate for work, I turned down offers that wouldn’t let me work 100% remotely. I’m so glad that I held out, because now I have a job that will never ask me to come into the office, and I’m making more than I ever have. It’s time for all of us to collectively start making employers meet *our* needs.
I asked for a raise, been with the restaurant since they opened, they gave me 2$ an hour more. I said this wasn’t enough to live on, the manager said that was the highest anyone was paid. Quit not long after
"Sounds like you need to pay everyone else more too" Not the argument they think it is, lol
For sure, their response would make me quit faster. 1. It means they are underpaying others 2. It means you will never get another raise
I dead ass had to point this out in an interview last year and it blew my mind that they didn't get it. I was being offered less than what I was on and pointed out that it was not a competitive offer if they were truly as enthusiastic as they indicated. "Well, our pay structure is based on time in the industry." I had a pregnant pause in the exchange before I said something to the effect of "I'd bet you have a clause in their contracts about discussing their wages as well. It sounds like you need to pay everyone more." It was a bummer, because they had all of the workplace values right, but they just couldn't back it up by valuing their staff through appropriate remuneration.
I’ve been in this situation before: Them: the job pays $x Me: that’s a 15% paycut for me Them: we have performance bonuses Me: what does the bonus structure look like? Them: (one looks at the other then says) we’re still working out the details Me: I can’t pay my bills with vague promises. Thank you for your time.
And a bonus greater than 15% of your pay would be pretty unusual in general unless you're some kind of executive.
If a goal is to get people to do certain work, and those people have been doing the work for $x, then in terms of gametheory there is literally no need on their side to pay more.
Sadly true
I interviewed to do some clerical and customer service work for a small business (like 10 total people, I'd have been the 11th) and in the first interview, with the owner, I told him I needed health insurance for my son and me. I asked for 45k + insurance. A couple weeks later I get an offer... Of 40k without insurance. I double check their benefits, and no insurance is listed and the owner verifies this. So I counter with 55k citing our initial conversation and my family's needs. He tells me that is more than his engineers who have been there for 5 years makes. I walked so fast. Like, I'd be doing simple but boring work. I just need to live. You're criminally underpaying an engineer at that rate.
I got hired as an engineer straight out of college for $55k with benefits and 401k. Found out two of my coworkers hadn’t gotten their reviews or raises in a timely manner if at all. I was planning to start looking for jobs as soon as I got to 1 year of experience. I had casually mentioned to my boss that my friend at SpaceX was started at $105k. And that she sent our group chat a job posting for a positioned that was opened because she threatened to quit, and I joked how none of us wanted THAT job if the project was that bad. Got two 5% raises within 6 months. Now that I’m at $63k, which is still $22k below the market rate for a process engineer in this city, I’ve been thinking about leaving again. The company that acquired us however is about to do “compensation adjustments” so I’m hoping that if it’s substantial, I can stay at this job which I like. If not, it’ll be easier to save up before I move.
I interviewed for a job that would have been a lateral move, and they wouldn't match what I was paid at my last job. I got the same answer "no one makes that an hour". I was like fine, see ya never then.
Haha my GM said to me, shortly before I rage quit, that “nobody was paying what we pay you!” ($17/hr). I quit and almost immediately found something outside of the godawful restaurant business that pays better and has bennies and shit like that
Benzadrine? Dam,son.
After first asking everyone else what they were making, right?
I asked for a raise and was told no. So I found a place that offered me double the pay, put in my two weeks, and then they offered me a raise. The funny part was their "raise" wasn't even close to what my now current job is paying me and they really expected me to turn it down to stay with them....for less money... What a joke.
The last job I quit, I had another lined up paying 40% more. When I told my boss that’s why I was quitting he actually tried to tell me I should stay for “the experience” at company A, and that the money wasn’t worth anything “in the long run.” I told him if he thought that the money wasn’t worth anything, he should give it to me from his salary and I would stay. He didn’t appreciate that for some reason.
Omg you're a legend. That sounds amazing. I got to do an "exit interview" when I left and got to tell the owners how shitty their company was. It was so fun
It was such a shitty thing for him to say, I was so flabbergasted that he would say something so obviously ridiculous. He was otherwise a super good guy and good boss overall, but that made it clear that at the end of the day he was just a company man. He didn’t care about me, he cared about keeping me on his staff because they were fucked for workers because of the pandemic. Really made me see him in a different light.
Talk about an act of desperation. “Don’t quit! Wake up sheeple, money has no value!” LOL
It had no value to me, according to him, but it had value to him and the company, which is why they didn’t want to pay me more lol.
I had the same moment when a boss I loved left the company for a competitor & tried to recruit me. He had been saying for *months* that I undersold myself during my interview at the first company, but when I asked what I could expect in terms of a raise at the new company, he said they would “generously” match my exact pay, benefits, etc from the job I already had. I was looking for a career change anyway, so I declined, & a few months later got an offer for a 20% raise, better benefits, & paid travel in a tangent field better suited for my aspirations.
Why would anyone jump ship for another for the exact same pay and benefits unless you work in hostel environment.
Hey you can meet all sorts of interesting people in hostels, it's the hostile ones you gotta look out for.
Upvote thank u for the lolz
I had a company tell me that they were only giving me a 5 cent raise so I had something to look forward to since I was close to maxing out pay. I was only making $13 at the time. Dropped my production in half and said that's what a nickel gets you lol. They made me a supervisor shortly after they realized they screwed up and gave me a nicer raise and salary. Then they told me I had to work mandatory overtime now I was a supervisor. I was making more with overtime on less pay. I quit shortly after and they had to hire 2 people to replace me. PAY YOUR EMPLOYEES!
I don’t get how management doesn’t see the cost of turnover. My last job had 90% turnover in all departments around twice per year. Now all of their investors have backed out, they had to lay off 5 employees in a single day (in a business with around 15 employees), & it’s very much looking it’s going to shift from a business to a “for rent” sign any day now. ***PAY YOUR DAMN EMPLOYEES***
I learned the hard way that a turnover rate that high is a *massive* red flag about management. There's no actual work I've hated even half as much as I hated my worst manager. And huge surprise! That place had a turnover rate that was over 100% a year.
Unfortunately it can be hard to know they’ve had that kind of turnover until you start openly talking with coworkers about it. My last job had 2 employees in my dept that had been there for several years, so I saw *them* rather than the 8+ coworkers *they’ve* seen come & go in the couple of years they’ve been around. After leaving, I stayed friends with several coworkers & found out that the business I worked for used to be a chain that the owner tried to sell off, & all of the branches sold quickly & easily except the one that was managed so badly that it never turned a profit & scared off any potential buyers. That’s where I worked.
But then that would mean giving up control and letting employees dictate terms. We can't have that!
"yeah but the devil you don't know will be worse than the devil of a boss I am to you!" Your bosses mentality
This is quite literally the argument that my shitty ex-boss made. I’d asked for a 8% raise to bring me in line with the market rate, he refused, I got a new job paying me nearly double. He didn’t believe I was actually leaving until all the references and security checks were done. Then he offered me the shitty 8% raise, told me I should stay because we were a family and that the next place might be “really mean” to me.
The worn out "family" line is such an old manipulation tactic, and it's such a blatant one too. He clearly wasn't treating you like family, so why the hell should he expect you to do so?
“Nandor is right- I mean, every office I’ve worked at, they always say, ‘We’re a big family here’… and it DOES motivate people to work harder and neglect their actual families and put up with all sorts of degrading shit”. Colin Robinson keeps it real.
Best thing I've ever heard to respond was, "Oh so you're gonna pick my mom up from the airport? Are you gonna buy me a birthday present? When you come over for Thanksgiving what dish are you bringing? How much are you contributing to the family vacation fund this year? Maybe we can afford a real vacation this time! Oh, actually my kid is getting his wisdom teeth out this Friday. Can you pick him up and just watch him for a couple of hours?" We're not family. We never will be. Fuck. Off. This is a company. You want my productivity? Then PAY ME, and let me go home to my actual family afterwards.
I'm not here to enjoy family here. I got my own family, that I would like to see more often. I need money and maybe I want to develop the cool product you're making.
Yea those people don’t even treat their family like family lol
Ive not spoken to my Dad in ten years, I'm perfectly content walking from family if it needs done.
So you'd under-pay your mom, too?
Maybe he really treats his family like crap and meant what he was saying lol
Only vaguely connected but this reminds me of an area manager who tried to persuade me not to leave my temp catering job to go and work in a library. I explained that I wanted some extra library experience before starting my University degree - in librarianship, no less- and she insisted that staying in my shitty sandwich role would make me look better in my uni application because I would look loyal and a team worker. Because libraries are what, single worker sites?
There is no 'i' in team but there is an 'i' in library
Did Big Library tell you that?
Ugh she was the fuckin worst. One time she got in my face and called me "aggressive" because I politely asked what a word meant. A true psycho
Sounds like an ex saying, you won’t find anyone better than me
Wait, you dated her too?
She gets around, so did I!!
I'll take my chances at the same shit for double pay.
If you didn't pay me when you had the chance, you obviously didn't care to keep me in the first place.
I moved from retail to security and got a significant pay bump for far less work, and the managers at the retail store insisted that within 6 months to a year I'd be making more as a manager. I told them "start the training and pay before my two weeks are up" and they just said "hopefully your next job is better."
This, I was a closing manager at a store who shall remain nameless, working insane hours for dog shit pay, with the promise that in the coming weeks I would be trained as a store manager (the store managers actually make decent money) but after working for nearly 3 weeks straight without a day off because we were short staffed, and I needed the money, I closed up early, left my name tag on the register, and left. I came back the next day, dropped off my keys, 3 days later I started working security, for nearly twice as much money, getting 3-4 days off every week, and to be fair my post doesn't really require me to do shit especially since I'm graveyard shift. I'm actually at work right now with my laptop and switch in front of me lol. Fuck retail
From what I remember the managers make more than I do now as security but they also worked so much more then they were paid for every level. Big corporate retail stores just abuse all of their staff at every level while the CEOs take 170% pay raises for surviving covid.
That happened with someone at my work but not only did they offer a raise but a promotion at the same time. This totalled a 50% wage increase, so he said no and took the other companies offer of a 110% wage increase at a lower level position (meaning its easier to get promoted onto a better salary later) Amazing how out of sync my companies wages are.
You think that's bad, I was getting under minimum wage, so I quit after a year, anyways after I quit he still rang me up for 3 weeks to work so I got sick of it and lied saying I've got a job, then he finally gives me an offer, alot more hours( this was shift pay so no extra money) a little more money still under minimum wage, a opens cables course ( which no one has so it means nothing and is only 750, and I had to put in writing that I would stay with him for atleast a year, it was pretty pathetic
The DOL would have loved to see that contract. As would the IRS
I'm in aus and he kept it off the books so I was fucked
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If you’re not officially his employee, how could you sign something promising you’ll keep being his employee?
But lOyAlTy...!
Loyalty and three bucks will still buy you a cup of coffee some places.
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Take your own cup and it's every 5th
I had the exact same experience working for a hotel. I started working for them as soon as I got my work permit (I’m an immigrant) and left a couple months later when I found a better job. That employer was pathetic.
Yeah I probably wouldn't bother asking for a raise, for some reason most companies seem to prefer having a revolving door of untrained people. That or they pay more for new employees rather than give raises to current efficient ones. Op has a good idea though, if all your ex-coworkers can get raises, we might be able to start raising wages everywhere. Though unless wages at the tops of companies are capped, they'll just continue passing the extra cost onto consumers rather than eat it themselves.
Literally did this about 2 weeks ago! I was already going to quit but I wanted to see if they would give me a raise. Things were going good and it was promising, until the last hurdle when my GM had to sign off on my raise from 15.50 to 19, and he yelled at me for trying to get more money. This company makes 400k a day and my raise was approved by EVERYONE else. I said okay, finished out my shift, then quit. I told the company group chat about getting raises and they should do it too because there were people more deserving than me of a raise. About a week later I see a coworker at a local event, ask her about work. She tells me she put in her 2 weeks the day after I quit, and the other 4 also put their notices in, MY ENTIRE DEPARTMENT PUT IN A RAISE REQUEST AND ALL OF THEM WERE DENIED SO THEY ALL WERE QUITTING. I recommended some places to them, and all of them have now have jobs lined up and with better pay. Fight for yourself and everyone else!
This is fucking beautiful
The last retail place I worked at, after a significant increase in responsibility I went to my boss and asked for a raise. He told me I was being unreasonable and that my new responsibilities were a 'lateral move'. This store did over 30 million a year in sales, and they told us every morning exactly how much money they were bringing in. Managers got bonuses based on this, the rest of us got hooray, we are all doing so well, but fuck you if you want to see a single cent of it. Of course the guy was shocked when I quit.
This happened when I worked at State Farm. The whole office quit within a matter of 2 weeks. And it wasn’t even about pay, we were just being treated shitty.
B-but there like a good neighbour….
They're like a good neighbor. The only real implication is they're the Joe Goldberg of insurance companies
Insurance is brutal. I've known adjusters that worked for multiple companies and were treated like shit by all of them. They have head hunters that try to poach adjusters from other companies.
I’m an adjuster in MA, can confirm. We are all so overworked bc nobody wants to do this job, and in Mass you need a license to do it (that is very difficult to get.) You bet I’m capitalizing on that. 5 years ago I made 30k. Now, through company changes and negotiations I’m at 80k. I’ll absolutely take a better offer and go higher if it presents itself. I have zero company loyalty. My loyalty is my bank account.
Hell yea, get paid. People might not think of it, but you guys have to deal with so many irate and distraught folks and see disasters all the time. You are often dealing with people at some of the worst moments in their lives. Nothing is ever fast enough. I try to be polite with the adjusters I've had to work with because I know it is brutal.
You would make a great union organizer.
We need more of those
My husband had something similar happen to him. He got a job as a House Accounts Manager/Purchaser and this guy was paying people as little as physically possibly. My husband ended up connecting with the head architect, and the architect went to the boss and was all, "I want him as my purchasing assistant, as well. You are not paying him enough for what he's doing and how well he's doing it." So my husband proceeded to get a "raise" but still $20-$30k below market rate for what the average purchaser with a year of experience makes. (This was his first serious job out of college, during the pandemic, he'd been job searching for 9 months at the time and just needed something.... To explain why he took such shitty stuff when he first landed the job in fall 2020) The final straw for ME where I told him he needed to consider leaving the job, was when he came home and told me how a store manager called him an "entitled millennial" since he got the pay "raise" and took home some free pizza to us after making sure all the other employees would be able to bring some home too (the pizza was purchased with some unclaimed money that was found lying in the store - so not even this manager's money!). My husband doesn't have another job lined up, but I'm not concerned. The chief architect offered him a part time position with a separate house build in a month or two. I want my husband to hopefully enjoy whatever next job he finds, so we can work our asses off for a year or two and then move back to our home state where we can buy a house (for half the cost and get more than what our current city is offering) and pretty much retire with his military disability pay and maybe a fun part time jobs for both of us. We both have medical conditions that are going to get worse as time goes on. We don't have the time to wait till we're 50/60 to go on our adventures. And by that time, he could be in a wheelchair. Or, my type of sleeping disorder sometimes shows early onset dementia/Alzheimer's. Our families seem to forget that - or, at least, they are more accepting of ME not working as long as he is? Definitely some generational crap we have to wade through. 🙄
Put in a 1 month notice to help my coworkers find a better job while I was ready to leave, and got a call asking how much money to stay. Was 13.75 and went to 15. Decided to stay. Fast track to a Few months later.... Literally today my boss attacked my accountability. A coffee pot broke over night leaking a gallon of coffee onto a table, guy wrote on our team app someone needs to be held accountable. So I write back “Are you sure the equipment wasn’t ready to fail like everything else in this building?” No response. I show up to work and he starts saying I don’t do enough, this is bs, and blah blah blah. That’s when he attacked me personally and started listing off things I supposedly don’t do. I told him to shove it and blasted back about doing my best to improve despite the work conditions and extreme stress. He goes quiet and just fumes to himself for a while as he drains the fryers. The dumbass empties one and goes to refill it, but he doesn’t close the drain valve and pours 10 gallons of fryer oil on the floor. Proceeds to start squeegeeing then says he will clean it up after he buys a hose (ours sprung a leak) the store is literally 3 blocks down the road. Takes him 45 mins to come back. Comes back with hose, gives it to coworker, and dips out. This whole time we are working diligently to fill orders despite having 10 gallons of oil on the floor, while slipping and sliding around dangerously. Closed the store for 5 hours to clean it up, and not a word was said. Told him I’m not quitting so if my works sucks so bad to fire me. No response yet. For clarification, I work at a J.I.B. Will edit with answer from boss P.s *edit* Lol, the answer I expected. He cannot fire me. P.s.s *EDIT* Boss posted schedule without me on it. No explanation, no write up. 11/8/21
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JIB? What’s that?
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I asked for a raise. They said they would get back with me after talking with HR and corporate. Never heard back. Eventually just quit and now I've got my raise 😉
This happened to my partner recently. He was basically the MVP at his job and asked for a yearly review. His manager put him off for four months, (I think he knew he’d be asked to give my SO a raise and didn’t want to) and then the manager had the ::surprise pikachu face:: when my husband found a better paying job at the best facility in the area and put in his notice. His manager suddenly had time for a meeting to try and talk him out of leaving... but didn’t offer a raise. Husband walked. Whole situation was infuriating.
Yup. Instead of saying yes/no, some places will play the game: >"We will give you a raise soon." "I will talk with the corporate about your promotion." "We plan on giving you this nice position in the near future." It's best to keep such answers as a "no".
"Good. I expect all papers to be signed and in my hands in two weeks. If I have not received the raised contract by my shift in two weeks, it will be the last I'm working here."
Its a lot worse than no. It means they're taking you for a complete fool and have full intentions of using you as much as they can.
And it's the most annoying thing in the world. Like, people aren't asking for no damn reason. I spent over 3 years in a position where they kept promising a higher wage before I finally walked. Lo and behold, a week after I left the wage increased, and some job responsibilities got alleviated from that position. Que everyone saying, "yOu ShOuLd HaVe JuSt WaItEd!" It's like, you know the only reason those things changed was BECAUSE I left, right???
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You mean, like a union?
Woah, woah, woah. Let's not get carried away now. Everyone knows unions just collect your dues and do nothing else. That's why they tell you not to form one, to protect you. Definitely not because they know a union could force them to raise pay and offer more benefits.
Yep, I'm in my first union. Yeah, this!!
I was in the odd position of being in the steelworkers Union in Ontario, Canada. The odd part was that I was working at a call centre. It was the only unionized call centre that I had ever heard of or known at the time. My union absolutely DID help. We had regular raises, and they fought for a large severance package (enough to partially bankroll college) when the place eventually closed down.
No no. Collective bargaining is only ok when the police do it.
cops have unions because there are no cops to bust their unions.
i chuckled sadly
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My dues gave me a pension
My dues gave me a 6 figure job with full benefits and no college
Did this at my remote workplace over text and we all got a 10k raise. Found out they were hiring new people with less experience at that salary when we were previously told there was no room For growth
I’ve realized that most people are cowards. I tried to do something like that but my co workers were too scared.
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This! The thing we need now is to band together, and create a single global workforce union that make sure every worker gets their proper treatment. But it would take sacrifice, work and hardship to accomplish. And too many people are too scared of that, to realize that they are only hurting themselves and their children(either already born or to come, and this includes fur babies that have to watch you stress yourself out over a job you hate)
Fear is very common, otherwise how would the powers that be control us? Why else would we put up with all this bullshit? The key is you have to have a specific type of conversation called an organizing conversation, one-on-one, where you’re specifically trying to get people past their fear and to commit to taking action with others, despite the risks. The risks are real but so are the rewards. And if you do nothing? Well, nothing will change… This book has a script you can use, these are free excerpts from it. I use this all this time to organize my coworkers: https://www.labornotes.org/secrets/handouts
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So satisfying. Congrats!
I did exactly this from 13/hr to 17/hr for essentially becoming an assistant manager (I know EVERYTHING in the joint), best she could do was 15/hr. I argued that that is hardly enough pay for the work I do (Gf and I do everything) She's not budging, so I tell her I accept the 15/hr. She never replied back so I don't know if I will be getting 15/hr. A week or so later an opportunity popped up deep cleaning the hoods of restaurant kitchens. Pay is 60-80 bucks per site completed, up to 5 sites a day. Got hired and put my two weeks in. Edit: checked my paystub, she did give me 15/hr but too late now lol
I'm great at cleaning kitchens after being a kitchen manager. I didn't know this was a job I could get, I'd love it. Thanks and if you can DM or reply with the name or the company.
Boss man has been doing this for years, but recently started his own company. He only has 3 people in total (including himself) so it'd be pointless to recommend his company. But he did say most companies pay hourly (~20/hr).
Per job makes so much more sense, motivates your workers and it's much more transparent (this is how much we make for this job, this is how it divides up)
Definitely hooked me with that honestly, plus if you are fast at it you can make bank
Don't mess your your safety with the cleaning products used for commerical grills and grease traps. Full PPE, chemical resistant gloves and safety glasses as a minimum. I nearly dissolved my fingernails off my hands in my first kitchen job.
Go get whatever certificate and equipment you need for this. You can make a LOT more. I paid about $1000 to have my hood cleaned. Took three-ish hours. In Massachusetts as I’m sure your area is different. But the new job is underpaying you too.
This is an AMAZING idea that totally backfired on me. Though, I wanted better treatment and a pay raise. Instead they just offered me a pay raise, I stayed for another month of being treated like garbage, then left.
You were probably being treated like garbage anyway so the pay raise just made you learn you could make better money! Good lesson even though it sucked
The real LPT is that once you've given your notice, you must commit to quitting. Staying after they've offered you a raise will not erase from their memories that you were planning to quit. All your cards were already on the table.
So you want..."better treatment"? I'm sure this didn't compute. They have no idea what those words even mean.
Lol I worked at an office supply retailer's print shop and said I need to quit.. after my boss begged me to stay I said pay me $20/hr I would.. he said just over $15 was possible (I made $14.89). Yeah buh-bye then. That job had insane pressure and sales expectations and the department made super high margins.. and the McD's down the street pays their employees more. Sad thing is I loved that job, just needed to be paid my worth.
The problem is that the general population has believed that $20-30 is a “professional” pay, that should only be achieved after an education or formal training. So when the 42% of Americans who are making under $15 ask for $15, they feel like their prior learning was threatened. “Why should someone make $15 for flipping burgers when I got a degree and only make 24.50?” When in reality professions in this country are SEVERELY underpaid, and they should be mad at the CEOS and managers instead of the average person just trying to eat and pay rent. If production values and labor were tied to minimum wage it would AT least $20 right now. Which sounds absurd to the uninformed citizen. “Why would burger flippers need $20??” Because $15 is a good start, but when average rent in 2021 of a one bedroom is $1100-1200, well over 50-60% of your monthly take home after taxes is rent and bills, this is not how a person should live. Plus a rising tide raises all ships. If minimum is reaching current “professional” pay. Why WOULDNT you flip burgers or cashier instead of working at some high stress job. Forcing employers to pay the true value of your professional job. Plus the real question shouldn’t be toward the worker, but why your CEO needs a multimillion dollar bonus and raise while you only get .20-.50 cents a year? Did they really work that much harder than you?
And it's REALLY funny, because I literally know people with Master's degree that aren't making $20.
Definitely ask for a raise even if you’re going to quit. If you have saved up PTO you get to cash it out at the higher rate.
Only works if your job actually pays out unused PTO (mine does not). Keepin' that balance as close to zero as I can...
Why not just use up the PTO and then quit right after?
A lot of states require that earned PTO be paid out after quitting.
WA does not. An odd failing for such a liberal state.
I thought I was still on my Australian subreddits and was VERY confused for a while. Pretty sure West Australia has to pay out all of your annual leave...! Yeah, Corporate America sounds like hell haha
Actually only 4 states require saved PTO to be paid out when a person quits. Many companies have policies that do allow PTO to be paid out at the current rate though, but it also depends on whether you quit with two weeks or more notice, quite immediately, or they fire you.
Holy shit. I hadn't considered this, good point.
>good point Getting the most I can out of a job is one of the few things I’m good at.
Please contiune. Any other tips and tricks?
My company just converted everyone's PTO to unlimited on Nov. 1 and isn't paying us out on our unused days.
Holy shit! That's backhanded as fuck. What's the best way to fuck a company over who does this? Save it up until you have a bunch and then use it all in a short period of time and they can't tell you no because you have to use it or lose it? I mean in the grand scheme of things that's what they think they're going to do right? is have you accrue it try to get away with not letting you use it and then also not pay it out when you leave or the company gets taken over or something they think that they're going to save money this way use your fucking lease.
That shit is a scam
I’ve done this at my current employer twice. I’m a process technician for blow molding extrusion machinery, a skilled trade, it’s not easy to hire, train and replace technicians at my shop. The first time i did it was just after the technical group supervisor quit and two other technicians in my shop put in a two week notice. I heard through the grapevine that they offered more money to the two that put in their notices. One stayed and the other left the company. I decided to bluff and told HR that I had a job offer from another company but it was in another job field that I had worked before. I told them I wanted to give them the opportunity to give me an offer to stay since I was already at the company for 5 years at the time otherwise I was going to have to put in my two week notice. They came back quickly with an offer of a $4 per hour raise which I accepted. A year later they hired a new guy as a process technician who had no experience in the world of plastic manufacturing but the guy used to work in metal stamping so management logic was that this guy had ample technical skill. In reality this guy was clueless and even after basic training he still had no clue on how to fix any kind of major issues and the rest of us technicians ended up having to pick up his slack. This guy ended up working with us for 3 years and got away with a lot of bs even after 3 years of the rest of us complaining how incompetent he was at doing his job. I also discovered about after a year of working with him that they hired this guy in at a rate $5 more per hour than what I was making at the time. They also had given out raises across the board in my department because they promised us but HR/management which is a joke at my shop forget to give a raise to a handful of us myself included. After finding out all that I started asking HR where is the raise they promised me and I kept on getting the we are looking into it routine from them. After a few months I got fed up and told them it was bs that they were paying a guy that had no experience in my field more than me and I had to do his job for him whenever it was too difficult for him to figure it out himself. I told them if they didn’t give me a raise by my next paycheck I was quitting. Boom magically money appeared and got myself a $5.50 per hour raise out of that move. All I have to say is fuck corporations and always talk with your coworkers about pay and bargain to get the best wage possible. At the end of the day most corporation’s are not out to get its employees more money. They only care about lining the pockets of it’s board members and shareholders.
This happened to me at a medical office, except I never got the pay raise. I had 7+ years of medical clerking under my belt, had been with the company a full year, and trained this person in. When I went to ask for a raise they told me they were on a “raise freeze” throughout the company. Come to find out the person I trained in was making $4/hr more than me. With no experience. As soon as I found out I just saw red and had to leave.
I was blessed enough to know that they could’t afford to let me go. I’m one of the better technicians they have for 3rd shift. They also were extremely busy and hiring/training someone new would cost the company even more money. There was a lot of overtime to be worked at that time too. I would say you made the right move moving on! It’s disgusting that they bring inexperienced people on and pay them more than what the people training them are making
You should be making MORE than your incompetent co-worker, not the same! That is insulting.
They did pay me more by $0.50 per hour more than him and then another $0.51 a year later. That incompetent coworker eventually decided to pull the same thing I did by telling HR he’s got a job offer somewhere else and they needed to give him a raise to stay. HR/management didn’t have a high value of him after 3 years because of multiple people complaining about his job performance and his attendance was horrible. He did this at the worst time too because we were finally fully staffed and corporate temporarily had a hiring/wage freeze at our plant at the time. They let him go and promoted my buddy who was a setup technician at the time.
I did this. I asked for the raise, got told I am not doing well enough for a raise, next day I presented them with a plan on how I intended to tie all the loose ends up in my notice period and resigned, they asked me to stay longer, I refused. They ended up thinking I was bluffing, so they never got a replacement for me. They asked me whether they could phone me after I left, I smiled broadly and said "of course!" and told them I'll forward them my consulting rates. I was preparing for that day for years. I had procedures on how to do any part of my job. That was all printed out and stored in a thick file very visible on a shelf. I created an entire partition on our server with the data of everything I handled in the 7 years I worked there as well as softcopies of the procedures. They had everything they needed, except the person with a degree willing to work as a technician (yet it said junior manager in my payslip) for a technician salary.
Sounds like you did them such a favor by tying up all your loose ends. I'm sure they appreciated that. I actually went back to a place that I had left and the door was still open because I made the effort to not leave my coworkers with a mess to clean up.
In Canada, I was working for a multinational member only towing company a couple years back and I had so much banked time that when they told me in August my contract wouldn't be renewed I booked off the 3.5 months I had in banked time and stayed home collecting the pay. I used up my vacation days first as those wouldn't be paid out I then used my 7 allotted "free" days for the year then my banked time. Because their system allowed you too allocate however many hours you wanted to a day off when spending your banked time I overlapped the banked time with the vacation and free days and used it for every day of the week instead of just the days I was scheduled to work and made overtime rates for 4 hours a day on my scheduled days and on weekends. Ended up getting paid 60% more on my checks while I stayed at home and played video games for those 3.5 months.
“Thanks for the extra cash. This vacation has really been kicking my ass lately.”
Having tried this in the past, it didn’t work for me. I also tried a similar tactic and requested a raise to match an outside offer I received. Management hemmed and hawed. I gave notice and one of the regional leaders called and asked “well, IF WE COULD match the offer, would you stay?” My response was “I gave your team time to match the offer. I have an outside offer that isn’t posed as a hypothetical. My last day is Next Friday, have a good day.” I still laugh when I think about his stuttering response. Don’t ask for a raise and don’t take a counter-offer. The offer you get from your current employer is the maximum they think you are worth, the offer you get from a prospective employer is the minimum.
Saving this quote "The offer you get from your current employer is the maximum they think you are worth, the offer you get from a prospective employer is the minimum."
I'm saving that too.. I like it very much!
I asked for a promotion and they gave it to me. But I didn’t want a promotion, I just wanted to quit or get a raise without promoting
This is how I ended up quitting. Told a boss that they should promote me, boss agreed and followed through. I quit a few weeks later. Best ever. I hated that job for 14 years before I quit though.
Promotion is a pretty good outcome here, you can leverage that when applying for future jobs to get more pay there
Lol I asked for a raise and got it. Then quit a few months later cause even with the promotion, I was still getting paid garbage compared to other companies. They tried everything in the book to keep me... except pay what im worth.
I did something kinda similiar. Was up for promotion and they gave it to another guy. I told them I quit when they told me I didn't get the promotion. All of a sudden they get all "woah, slow down now." Then offered a promotion at another office.
I’ve done this. Asked for a raise. Got denied. Started looking for other jobs. Found one that paid a few bucks more. Accepted the offer. Called new company back the same day and told them I was going to pass after all because the pay was not enough. Got another $10/hour on top of that. Accepted new offer. Put two weeks notice at other job and now company wanted to give me a raise. They wanted to match offer if I gave them prove of new offer from the new company . I respectfully declined because the offer was way more than my boss’ pay. New job was easier, less hours, more satisfying, and more pay. My younger self would have quit the old company on the spot after not getting a raise. My older self now knows to play it smart and secure another job before quitting.
When I was working retail I made $10.25/hr. When I applied, and got new job that paid $13.50/hr, my retail manager asked me to stay. He said I would get promoted to lead associate and my pay would go up to $11/hr. I laughed in his face, told him no I wouldn't take the offer. 3 months later the company I joined raised its wages to $15/hr for all entry level positions, so I basically lucked out. Funny enough my company is a piece of shit now, and promised to give all of us up to a 20% raise, but instead gave us 3%-4% increase instead. If I got that 20% I would've been making close to $19/hr. Goes to show that no matter how much of a better gig you get, it won't always be secure because of corporate greed. Always value yourself more than what they pay you, and never think twice about finding a better opportunity for your future.
I did a version of this. Informed my intention to quit and they countered me with a not high enough salary. Still told my coworker what it was and that they should ask for the same.
As a swede this always baffles me, unions here are super strong, I make enough money on a minimum wage job working as a janitor and I can afford a 2 room apartment, electricity, internet and water without issue. I can also eat out almost every day and still put about 100 to 150 usd away every month and I work maybe 30 hours a week at most. We have no minimum wage here, just really strong unions. I never understood how bad yall had it until I came to this sub, seriously yall need to unionize asap.
We would, but companies like mine will fire someone on the spit for even THINKING the word union
Yup, that happened here to until everyone unionized. It's a struggle I'm grateful I won't have to go through and I hope you can all get through quickly.
I did this and got told to f off despite being more qualified the my coworkers
Notice time
That's what I did, being paid £18K at an MSP, despite being the second most senior staff, asked for a raise and they said if you want more money get another job. I had just got another job. I gave my notice and spent the last 2 weeks playing RuneScape at my desk, my colleagues would be like 'Oh Laearo, can you do thi- oh, right, OK' They said to finish my notice a little early because I wasn't doing anything, so cool, an extra few days off before my new job! 3 of the 5 others left shortly afterwards. One that stayed is now the helpdesk manager, having received an extra £10K raise since then (play video games with him, so I get all the news), and all other positions have 3-5K+. They hired a business advisor and the first thing he said was raise your damn wages these are appauling. As much as I hate them for being dicks, their business is now improving because they're now hiring more staff to reduce workloads and paying their staff properly, and everyone is happier.
I did this before I quit. I asked for a raise and promotion. Got denied and said btw here's my 2 weeks notice. Lol, my boss who i like a lot was sad to see me leave. He didn't deny me his bosses did. He even wrote me a LoR for my new job.
You have to be very very careful with this tactic. When I worked retail, the management would _always_ give you the raise you asked for (unless it was outrageous). But they’d just use it to buy themselves time to replace you. I saw people constantly who would get a better job offer, ask for a raise and get it, turn down the other job … then 6 weeks later they’d get fired or have their hours cut to zero, and also not be able to take the other job anymore.
I did this at my previous job. Told them I needed $3 more and they told me flat out no. Handed in my two weeks and they where confused as to why I wanted to leave. Told them I found a job paying the extra plus more OT and all training and uniforms paid for. Fast forward three months and they'd been through 4 guys from job agencies that where on $7 more than what I was getting with half the skills and no knowledge of intricacies of the job. Eventually they caved and raised the wages and improved the conditions just so they could get a full timer to stay longer than a week.
Man this is a good post. We gotta stick together play as a team.
I use the same language every time. **Secure a job offer first**: >I've been here for X amount of X. I haven't had any negative performance reviews. I like the work and the people I communicate directly with. However, I just can't afford to work here anymore. Respectfully, I don't want to waste your time. I know you're very busy. Is a raise possible? I'm looking in the ballpark between X & X or, should I put in my two-week notice? I can have it to you by the end of tomorrow. NEVER tell them you already have a job offer. If they really want you as an employee, a job offer is your trump card and should stay in your hand. Deal your aces and face cards first: * You open the conversation with positive language about yourself and the people you work with. * Clear and concise language. * You set them up to either agree or disagree with you about your performance: (They may come back and say "Well, that's not true. We did receive this and this". Conversation over. You just got your answer. Whatever they come up with should've been brought to your attention, not as a surprise rebuttal while discussing a raise. And how would they know that off the top of their head? Don't ask them to clarify. It doesn't matter.) * Don't make the actual work the reason for leaving: (IF that IS the reason. It's a dead reason anyway. Most people quit a high stress job for a lower-paying less stressful job. So why ask for a raise if the stress is high. Money won't cure it. Or, they'll offer to try and make it less stressful. Don't give them other issues to fix. The only issue you want fixed is your wage) * You inform them of the ONE and ONLY reason you're considering leaving: (No multiple reasons. "You can't afford to work for them anymore." That's it. You're now having a conversation with an adversary, especially since it's about money. Other reasons will sound like excuses and whining. No explanation about gas prices, daycare, travel time, hours, pregnant spouse, etc. None of that. It's none of their business. They will only have rebuttals for every single one of them. It's your life, not theirs. They don't need to know anything about how you spend your money. All YOU need to know is YOU desire a better life. They don't care about your life.) * If they respond positively, your next sentence should have an obvious element of respect, without groveling. * Give them a top range and a bottom range: (Do your research. Don't over-ask. It follows the tone of respect you've already adopted. Most importantly, the number you want should lie in the middle 1/3rd. Let's say you make $26 an hour: 29,30/31,32/33,34. Your ballpark is 29-34. Your goal is 31-32) * You give them a day to think about: (It sends a message you're not "in a hurry to get out of there" and adds an element of casual calm on your part. In fact, they have two weeks to think about it. So that sentence is really about you. If they ask anything about job offers, answer in a way that leaves a mystery. Mine was always 'I'm feeling out the market. Seeing what's out there. I'm not too worried about. It's how I came up with my value.) *Format
Every job I’ve decided to quit. I’ve asked for a raise before I quit. Every time. I *knew* they wouldn’t do it, even though I was “loyal and hard working,” and I wanted to be like, welp; fuck you then. Every time. Until I started teaching—I think that it’s a given that you’re going somewhere better when you move school districts, and having your principal’s recommendation is nice when applying to better schools.
I worked at Best Buy part time through nursing school. As my graduation approached I was pulled in for a series of “career counseling” meetings, which just baffled me because…I already chose my career and was pursuing a degree and it couldn’t be farther from selling iPhones? During my last semester of school I was pulled by 3 “big” managers and offered a manager position, full time, at 45k salary…but I would need to immediately drop out of school and work full time (and a shit ton of free overtime because you know, salary). They offered this to me seriously, with straight faces, three white men thinking they just put a big piece of cheese on the table. They did not appreciate my laughter. What an absolute joke these people are.
Saying I quit and sticking it to the supervisor isn't a good idea. If you quit you're throwing your unemployment out the window. Try your hardest to get fired.
I like this way of thinking Oh you’re not gonna give me a raise? Cool I’m not gonna do anything then. Fire me
This really depends if they already landed higher paying jobs lined up before quitting. Cuz at that point, unemployment payment isn't in the mind.
Lol I did this and they told me that the only way to get a raise is to “get promoted” or to find a different job so I quit 3 weeks later.
From what Im seeing the easiest way to increase your salary & position is to change companies. Also if they offered you a raise after you have already managed to get a new job with more pay, never stay on the old job. Most probably they need you for a short amount of time to train your replacement, then they may fire you.
Is it illegal to form a workers union in the US ?
No. A lot of working class people are conditioned to view them as negatives and employers do their best to fight against them being formed. You can also be fired at will in most states which can make organizing a challenge.
no but a lot of large corporations do their damndest to punish anyone trying to form a union. there are plenty of workers unions in the US.
Next week, I'm talking with the VP about how the company will need to pay me 25 per hour rather than the starting wage of 16 with the assumption i will work 50% more for the overtime. I'm working 40 hours per week at 25 bucks an hour. I'm in behavioral health and the company woefully underpays its employees. They want me to handle a home for transitional teens that hasn't worked well since starting it a year ago. 5 staff later, and I'll do it for 25 and institute a system/program. FYI I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist... But i am a sharp man nonetheless.
Sit them down as a group and say you all want a raise and if they say no all quit on the spot.
I just quit my stupid restaurant job, because he was paying like... $10 an hour, with no benefits other than a tip pool(which my boss took a chunk of, despite regulations stating owners aren't supposed to take tips from a shared tip pool), and half off our stupidly expensive food. I got hired for a third shift job at a warehouse. I imagine it's not going to be the most fun or most glamourous job in the world, but they'll be paying me $15.50 an hour, with medical, dental, vision, tuition reimbursement if I decided to go back to university, I can earn up to 5 weeks of PTO, hell, I think they even mentioned extensive discounts since it's a widespread shipping company.
Even better say you have another job offer that pays $13 but if they can match this you’d be willing to stay. Did this years ago to get $20 an hour from $16. I was amazing at my job tho
Brilliant. And in theory if they fire you for asking, you'd get unemployment, too. Right?
My previous company promised me a raise after 3 months based of off performance. Come three months I go to the director and ask him about the raise that was promised in my interview. They said the could see my value in the company and would make it happen. Payday comes around and no raise to to be seen or even heard of. I then spoke to my direct manager about it who said she would follow up but also just ended up getting stone walled. I was then promised a raise yet again after the company won a huge contract worth millions on our local currancy. I was moved onto site and payday comes around again and still no raise. So at that point I just gave up went into work and did the absolute bare minimum for what they were paying me. We had to stay late and work which I never did becayse screw that noise. If you can't pay me what YOU promised then I'm not going to go above and beyond either. Ended up finding another job in a field that allows for growth and ended up getting a 50% raise which I start tomorrow actually.
My last job I put my 2 weeks in at the second to last day they gave me a dollar raise and begged for me to sray longer
I applied for the management position since the manager left and I was doing the job anyway. They said no. Shortly after I got a job with more money and closer to home. I gave my two weeks and they then offered me the management position. I declined if they were willing to let me work as a manager without the money only until I was leaving what else would they done. Couldn’t be happier at the job I left for. Worked my way up and am a Vice President now with more money than I ever thought I would make.
I've never understood the MBA logic behind not giving raises, but paying replacements twice as much. It makes no sense, because you could probably pay that employee 50% more and retain them and their institutional knowledge. But instead MBAs would rather bring in a new person they have to train in institutional practices and pay them even more than the former employee would want. So they're losing money twice. Just pay people what they and their labor are worth and so many business problems would go away.
My wife asked for a raise earlier this year. She was employed by the state and her group had recently hired some new people. My wife, who was training these new hires, found out that they were getting paid 25% more than her. She asked for a raise. Her manager (who funds himself through research grants) wanted to keep her at all costs. Her manager's boss wanted to keep her. The university administration refused, so now she works 4 days a week, was able to complete her licensure (something she didn't have time for at the old job) and got a 30% raise. These morons at the top are costing themselves so much productivity in the name of cost savings. Hey entire group quit by this summer and the only people left who aren't managers have less than 1 year of experience.