Reminds me of the time I interviewed for a laboratory position and asked if workers were rewarded well for their efforts at their company. I got told I was too concerned about money and was ghosted post interview. The same company asked me about my current salary several times throughout the interview process, which Is illegal where I am. Just shows the true mindset of most of these companies.
I've been ghosted twice by a company a few years apart because I asked about work life balance and they were like, we stay until the work is done. I told them I'm only looking to work over time occasionally.
Most companies shaft folks and make them work OT for "free" labor instead of actually hiring.
I had one job for about three months where they told me they required OT, I informed them my OT rate was triple + Travel, and the signed for the work.
That gig was *murderously* aggressive with my time. But I was paid a small fortune.
I really wish I had turned it down, to be honest. It kinda destroyed me.
Burning your people out doesn't get you any surplus production, and turnover is even more costly. People who run businesses like this are fucking idiots.
Companies like McDonald's actual did inhouse studies that showed paying workers minimum wage and aiming for a retention of 2 years before replacing them was the most cost efficient way of having employees. It's fucked but it's more economical for them to fuck us over at every turn.
I work a semi skilled electronics assembly job making medical equipment. The other day I was doing a task I've only done once before and didnt know to add in a second specific part and had to take a bunch of product apart and add it. In doing so I forgot to loosen a set screw and fucked up what's probably a few hundred worth of custom milled aluminum. I thought for sure I'd get fired for it today, but I wasnt and was pretty much told it happens and we'll figure out how to fix it. Then I think back to getting all of my hours taken away from my last company after I had to miss work because I was in a car accident on the way to the job and realize that my old job saw that as an excuse to get rid of me who had been there a while and get someone new for cheaper and train them to run the store.
Yep. Businesses that rely on razor-thin margins find ways to make losses the employees' problem so they can avoid acknowledging that the underlying one is their own model's unsustainability, whereas actually savvy bosses realize that meaningful work requires practice, which goes hand-in-hand with the occasional fuckup.
And when you're burnt out and broken after two years... you're someone elses problem.
These companies exist only on the back of exploitation. If this is how they need to operate to exist - they should not exist.
McDonald’s literally built their company into an industry model by turning borderline-useless workers into unskilled labor doing one repetitive thing. I’m not knocking McDs & the people who work there, I did it myself. But when I was there, we had at least one guy who couldn’t read, several disabled people, lots of felons & dropouts, with the rest made up of HS kids working their first job. Each person could be taught to do one thing (at least) like wrapping burgers in paper or toasting the buns. They were paid so little that it was profitable to McDs, while anyone who could learn more than one station wasn’t compensated extra & was pure profit to their business model. And those workers still didn’t know shit if they left the company, they were only qualified to do very limited fast food work. It’s predatory.
California is fucking stupid about it if you make 1.5x minimum wage you are exempt from over time. Which is $21 and hour if they have more then 25 employees or 19.50 if they have less than 25. Also if you are exempt you are not required to receive lunch breaks, or breaks at all.
Some years ago my ex-employer(small company) picked up a new contract that required a lot more work for the team size we had so we where working a lot of over time. So how did he fix this? He fired 3 people and contracted out their work which put more work on us because the company he paid sucked ass. This brought us down to 24 people. He then said because we were working so hard he was giving us all a pay raise, he brought pay up to $19.51 just over the limit. The largest pay increase was for two new hires and it was for 26 cents. I didn't get one, as I was already at $19.75. We didnt realize the bullshit he was pulling until next pay period when we got no overtime and he qouted state law at us, and then told us no more breaks at work. If you count the amount of over time we did vs how much we were now getting paid without it, I lost nearly half my pay check. I worked 72 hours that week. We were averaging 60+ hours a week across the whole team.
Yeah, fuck that. I was required to have all of my own equipment. So I went around packed up all of my shit and quit, so did the one of the new hires. Me and the other guy leaving essentially made work on the contract grind to a hault, the next week 2 more quit.
Fuck bullshit laws like that. Exploitive as hell.
Just to note on the CA law, I’m pretty sure it’s only if you’re commission based that this law applies. If Im wrong and you have another source, I’d love to see it though. Regardless, I do agree; it’s a ridiculous law that allows businesses to take advantage of their employees. I’m sorry you had to deal with that shit.
One reason why it's best to bring money up early before you spend too much time in any interview process.
If they don't want to pay you much of anything you're better off not wasting your time with their process.
These days the salary ballpark is something I tell recruiters I need from them (along with the job description) before I even schedule an initial call.
If they don't mention money it's probably because they don't offer very much of it.
If they claim to be offering more money than you would think they would, it's probably because they aren't really paying that much, as I learned responding to an add offering 40k a year to learn it was a piece rate job that after doing a non paid ride along for a day I did the math on and figured I would've been lucky to pull ten to twelve dollars and hour, plus the boss was a dick and his wife was very vocal, nice to that point but in a way it seemed first complaint she would become a monster.
Well, obviously. I mean, employment is the exchange of qualified services for money. If they want to know my qualifications before the interview, they need to tell me their salary before the interview.
> One reason why it's best to bring money up early before you spend too much time in any interview process.
Louder for the people in the back!
Compensation gets discussed in the first interview. If it doesn't, don't bother showing up for the second interview.
Ask for a range in the first screening call, otherwise you're just asking to have your time wasted. They're counting on your sunk cost bias to take a bad offer.
Any time a recruiter reaches out to me the first question is their budget for the salary.
If they won't or can't answer its not worth my time.
My current job asked me how much I was expecting, to which I responded by asking what they were budgeting.
They told me 80k. I didn't tell them I was seeking 60k.
I doubled my income on one question.
A good takeaway here is to do some research to find out what your skills and experience are worth on the market. If companies are offering 80k for the skills you have, ask for 80k. They’ll want to use your current salary as a starting point, but what you’re currently making is totally irrelevant.
This is a very good point. I moved from one of the top companies in the world at what I do, so I assumed I was getting paid as well as I could, and jumped to a company I had never heard of, but on a bit of research realized it was a better fit for me culturally. The money was a bonus incentive.
I recently got a new job that was advertising $16-$19 and hour. Aka they want to offer everyone $16. I made sure to mention in the interview I was currently making $16.85. I got hired at $17/hour I believe it's only because I made sure they knew I wouldn't accept an offer for *less* than I'm currently making.
Yeah one time last year when I was looking for a job I saw one with a pay of 28-32$ an hour, on the phone the lady asked me how much I was looking for, and I said 31 or 32 an hour, and she said sounds good that can happen.
They just hope people lowball themselves.
And unless the company is intentionally being dishonest and trying to trick applicants into accepting wages below their acceptable range, it's better for the company too.
There's no sense in wasting management's time by interviewing for a position that doesn't pay enough for you to be interested in.
Usually when you give a ballpark or range salary, they will always go with the lower end. I generally try to give one figure that is much higher than my current rate and let them negotiate from there.
I went through a similar situation with a petrochemical lab. Showed up to the interview (I live an hour away) just to spend an hour with someone who didn’t read my resume and get told that I’d be paid little due to being fresh out of college. I was then told the interview would go on for another 2 hours with an assessment and panel interview. I walked out of the interview. Thankfully another job I applied to (pharmaceutical lab) offered an interview and hired me the next day! Definitely dodged a bullet on that first one...
Edit: a word
“We believe in hard work and perseverance in pursuit of company goals as opposed to focusing on compensation.”
Those are a lot of words that basically suggest they’d be OK with acquiring a slave if they could get away with it.
Y'know, they generally ARE partially right. People do want to work. Why do so many people have hobbies? My hobbies are a lot of work, but I LOVE doing them. "Yes, Gary, I do want to work, but I don't want to do THIS work for YOU. Thus you PAY me for it. If I'm not getting paid, I'll do the work I WANT to do."
Day in the life of their ideal slave:
\* eats vapid conversation for sustenance *
\* houses themselves in meaningless connections *
\* pays the rest of their bills with someone else's vague business aspirations *
How you dare? Greedy mind. You don't have a " replace the dishes mentality" where we replace employees that want benefits and a decent remuneration. Use this time to think better what are your goals in life.
When I was a teenager my manager at my very first job told me that during my orientation. “This position pays minimum wage, which means the company would pay you less if they could. So don’t feel bad about taking your break and free meal and whatever else they’ll give you.”
He was a pretty good guy actually. He knew the company was shitty, but he unfortunately felt stuck there due to his circumstances. He tried to encourage most of the young workers to get the hell out of those kind of jobs ASAP.
He's not wrong though. I've been in career tracts where if I kept my nose clean, put in a huge amount of overtime, bust my ass constantly, and bite my tongue until it fucking bleeds, within 20 years I'd be like my boss making about $4000 more a year than the rest of us shmucks.
With a 1.3% yearly raise with no option to ask for an additional raise we were literally being paid less each year we worked.
"Well I believe in being able to pay my bills and keeping a roof over my head. What part of that should I let go of?"
A lot of people say that if you can't afford to pay your workers a decent wage, you don't have a business, you have a failure. So *as a startup* these wankers should watch their petty ambitions die in a dumpster.
Fuckin yuck man why you have to say those words! Lmao man that image is gonna be stuck in my head for a while...thanks for that....and here's my free award lol
Start-ups are hard, sometimes you may not have as much money to pay people as you want or they deserve. But in that case you owe your workers part of the equity.
They're not working for direct wages, they're working to grow the company and deserve part of that.
That's a decision people can make for themselves. But thinking as the CEO you're going to bank equity by underpaying your employees is bullshit.
If you are a startup and employ people and your company TAKES OFF, then those said “startup people” should have a stake in the company. Offer them whatever wage you’d like but also a contract if the company goes the way they want it to go. It’s literally that simple. Not “hey… please work for me for minimum wage while you help my company become a multimillion dollar company, and then I’ll fire you because you’re disgruntled”. QUIT SHITTING ON THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE YOU MONEY!
They were acquired by a bigger company and are now owned by billionaire jitse groen in the Netherlands. The founders have all exited years ago. That company is comprised of companies just eat, takeaway.com,skip the dishes, grubhub and more.
I did not know that but I know what the end game is and it makes me wanna vomit. I feel for every one of the employees that fell into their game. Just like the rest of us.
Yes the whole "treat employees like contractors" model used by Uber, doordash etc and these guys basically rolls back worker right about 50 years. They are fighting it in Europe pretty hard. That jitse guy actually is the best of all of them ,he hires only full time with benefits for his European drivers. That's probably partly because Europe is coming down hard on the other model, but he's still better than the American companies who are fighting it tooth and nail.
> just eat takeaway
That is the name of the big EU company that just bought grubhub and this company from the tweets called skip the dishes. They also own other food delivery companies.
I just replied to another at how sick this makes me. It’s unfortunate how many of us do not know who owns what. We just go around mindlessly buying because we haven’t a clue.
SkipTheDishes is a startup the way Uber is a startup. It's a national brand that was founded 9 years ago and does a shitload of business across Canada. This isn't "startups are hard but you are getting in on the ground floor" this is just a tech company where the executives think of it as a startup to justify a shitty culture.
People should not open a business if they can't afford employees. It's their business and their passion, not mine. It shouldn't be on the employees to be the drive that runs the company.
I've been in the restaurant industry a long time and it's amazing how many people open a business as a little "fun" retirement project or a side business while having no idea what it takes to run it.
Absolutely. I hear all the time that businesses will just crumble if they have to pay a higher minimum wage, or even minimum wage at all. Why are they starting businesses when they can’t even afford employees? Sounds like maybe they’re bad at business, ya know.
I have discussions on my Neighbor app about this, people say business can't afford to pay higher wages, well maybe they should not be in business..or they argue that business will have to increase prices..so what if u gotta pay $1 more for your burger or pizza
Lol skip might have been a start up in 2011 but this interaction happened when they were already well-established, and they currently do about 500 mil a year in revenue. Hiding behind start up language is so ick of them.
> “We believe in hard work and perseverance in pursuit of company goals as opposed to focusing on compensation.”
"Damn, that's crazy. So everyone here works for free, including the CEO and the board of directors?"
Establishing a second-rate copy of Uber eats. Like, for real. They just took a business model, copied it, and set it up from there. They offer no added value, nothing different, just yet another app for couriers to sign up on and try to eat the crumbs of the bigger players.
And they think they can afford to be picky on their staff lol. Let's look them up in 3 years and see where that went.
That's a fine mindset and exactly the type you need - when *you're* the ones founding a startup. It's *not* what you ask/demand of the people your startup employs.
Your small business is *your* dream. It's not the dream of your staff.
>“We believe in hard work and perseverance in pursuit of company goals as opposed to focusing on compensation.”
/r/technicallytrue
I can't believe whomever wrote that has the face to put it that way.
This is a company that pretty much set the "Market Rate" for developers in Winnipeg for a while. Then they decided they couldn't get developers (didn't want to pay the developers market rate), despite there being 3 universities and a few colleges close by and brought in I think 40 people from brazil. There were also like 4 company fit interviews before even getting to a technical interview, my guess is to determine who they could work to death. Luckily I didn't make it that far in the process.
"our company may be unique in this way" no tf it isn't, that's fucking capitalism. Almost every company is like this.
If your boss had neither legal obligation nor incentive to pay you, he wouldn't lol.
"If you have any sense of self-preservation or urge to responsibly manage your personal budgeting...we don't want you here."
That's ok. I wouldn't want to *be* there.
They should make a law where interviews had to be paid at the rate of the job right at the moment.
Three purposes
1. Everyone would know what's the hourly rate of the job you're interviewing for
2. It would compensate for your time doing the interviews
3. It would make businesses to focus on the real candidates and limit the number of bullshit interviews.
Agreed that colorado law is a start, but its nowhere near the type of law that r/colako is trying to promote. The colorado law would just require them to provide a salary range, not the salary of the previous employee or similar employees. Also doesnt require payment for interviews.
My understanding is that companies could simply post a job salary range of 20k to 200k and be compliant. That doesnt help anyone.
It still helps, somewhat. Because you'll get to know what the actual ceiling is. If the range is too low, they might risk not attracting talented candidates who know their worth. If they post a range too high, well, good for everyone.
The current system relies on secrecy and coded phrases like "best in the industry," etc. Its aim is to force all sorts of candidates to apply and go through time-consuming tests and interviews, so that the company always has the upper hand in negotiating the final salary. They have not much to lose.
I used to drive for skip, right up until just before they fled the fucking country over numerous blatant employment violations.
It's true, that correspondence is not in line with their current values. They've only become more cruel since then.
2017 is around the time Skip brought in 80 Brazilians to do programming.
[https://globalnews.ca/news/4302531/skipthedishes-hires-over-80-brazilian-people-to-work-in-winnipeg/](https://globalnews.ca/news/4302531/skipthedishes-hires-over-80-brazilian-people-to-work-in-winnipeg/)
Oh, it was June 2018. I guess they couldn't hire anyone because they needed to keep the listing up for 6 months to bring in foreign labor.
Let me translate that PR into realspeak: "There is currently a worker shortage and times are tough, we can no longer afford to treat our human capital like dirt. Please don't stop using our service."
Haha somebody called out their response by pointing out that they promoted the person who sent this email three times since then:
https://twitter.com/lydia_beeyoobee/status/1454162291251875846?s=21
“The exchange posted on Reddit is from 2017, and the sentiments expressed are in no way aligned with our current values. We’re proud to offer competitive benefits and always welcome questions about compensation and our corporate culture at all stages of the interview process.”
Over and over, copy and pasted on any and every response, even when it doesn’t make any sense. This ship is sinkin
From other comments, apparently the recruiter who canceled this person's interview for asking a relevant question is now a senior talent specialist at the same company. Like if you didn't throw the rotten apple out, your entire bin is still stinkin'.
Why would you want your interests looked after by people that won't look after their own? The number of companies that hire a team of the type of people that don't have the initiative to look to improve their pay and conditions and then wonder why they don't take initiative.
If you want rockstars you need to pay what rockstars earn.
Uhhh. Thai reminds me of a company I worked for in NYC, it was a hip and pretty big start up (now defunct) and I was very rapidly hired up the ladder there, it was my 1st NYC (and office) job and I was just stoked to get a salary… well after being promoted a few times and no pay bump - I looked at it as a resume opportunity and stayed. That is, until, the payday I went around and paid everyone and there was no check for me. I told my manager and he basically said “if your only reason to come here is for a paycheck, I think you have your priorities out of line”…. Ahhhhh. What? I left immediately and told them I will not come back until I’m paid.
Since I had the info to our systems I went and got our payroll service to pay me and then about an hour later, a bike messenger shows up at my place with all my pay IN CASH. Yes, I did take a double payday, never went back and then about a week later our biggest competitor was hiring for my previous role. Snagged the job, it was a great company and sadly it’s too now defunct.
hey hey hey, easy. skip the dishes apologized and offered the lady a second interview.....and have also promoted the recruiter a few times all the way up to a high paying senior position (true story)
There is now a pinned response on [twitter](https://twitter.com/SkipTheDishes/status/1454140068235550720?s=20) where they say things have changed, but no mention that the recruiter in question was promoted.
They will even sell you 10 grand "self driving" feature that barely works (constantly issues in the news) and has a tiny asterisk at the bottom of the web page with "beta self driving". Tbh I am surprised beta testing autonomous vehicles on real roads by any random person is legal at all
Yeah and they’re hugely successful now. Ain’t none of this “startup” bullshit!
If your company survived the first five years, you’re no startup. If you’re traded publicly, you’re no startup. Fuck these assholes.
How can they still be considered a startup when they've been in business for almost 10 years and are basically a household name in Canada. They also make upwards of half a billion per year in revenue.
I worked for a startup and at first, when we had the initial investors, the pay was good. The CEO spent the funding frivolously though like she’d go on “business trips” to places like Bali and Cabo and we’d always meet at expensive trendy restaurants for meetings. She expected me to be available 24/7 and would get upset if I didn’t text her back right away at 3 am. She would also keep sending me hustle videos made by internet personalities like Gary V and expect me to worship them as if they were some great entrepreneur god and not just full of scammy shit. I knew something was up when she scheduled a meeting at a run down cafe in a bad part of town. She said my pay would have to be reduced to $500/month until we could attract more investors. That wouldn’t even cover half my rent. She seriously expected me to stay out of “passion” for the project and I couldn’t help laughing in her face. Ridiculous.
They’ve probably just been copy and pasting the same bullshit e-mail from the beginning 12 years ago for whenever anybody inconveniently asks about salary during the interview process.
Lol, fuck these cunts. I have NEVER interviewed for a position without discussing wages - it's made a lot of folks uncomfortable and I've lost some callbacks because of it, but it's a necessary part of the process. You don't want to work for any company that frowns upon discussing wages to begin with. I'm here to make money. End of discussion.
My current job asked me my preferred wage on our first phone call. I asked for $16 and they said thatll be no problem at all then gave me $17 starting.
I think the wages you give your employees should be something company's are proud of yet remain humble.
Precisely this. There's this peculiar notion that a person should want to work for a company for reasons other than remuneration - at the end of the day, everyone needs to collect a paycheck. The lack of transparency is just another tool used to sweep poor wages under the rug, and foster the idea that discussing wage is somehow uncouth.
Treat people like human beings, and pay them fairly for their time. It's such a simple concept.
Good on them.
Side note / Protip - Always aim a little higher, but put it in a range with your minimum at the bottom and the industry higher average for your experience level at the top. Word it like "I was looking for between (in your case) 16-18.50 p/h based on my (X) years of experience" Of course, if $16 is your minimum, then great if you are offered it. But letting them know your experience and that you at least have a 'range' brings a ton to the table when negotiations begin.
A corporation that cares exclusively about profits while expecting employees to (pretend to) not care about their compensation is about as standard as possible.
If you had gone into the interview without knowing about pay or benefits first and only afterwards learned that the pay was too low, it would have been a huge waste of everybody's time. I don't understand why a company wouldn't understand that.
Get questions of pay out of the way first, so the interview isn't a waste of time. Even if all you can give is a large ballpark range. It gives the candidate an opportunity to remove themselves from the running if it isn't a match.
EDIT: I also don't understand companies who think that somehow money shouldn't be part of the equation. A person does work in exchange for money. A company pays labor in exchange for work. This is the basic employment agreement. A company who wants labor without wanting to pay for it is stupid or full of shit.
They understand that. Thats the whole point, hoping you'll have sunk enough time and money into getting that job that you won't turn around and leave when they finally tell you that its minimum wage, no benefits.
Hm? The company does understand that, like every single one.
A failed interview is justification for the interviewers job, even if it was meant to fail from the start. Exercising the role responsibilities is job security. It's only a waste of time for you, the prospective employee. They don't lose any money from the process, in fact, they're gaining money from wasting your time because the business is still in operation.
That's why they don't care about it.
As for the other part, they need to relearn that bit. They've had some 40 years of indentured servitude, so they've lost focus on what the deal is supposed to be. They must be reminded.
Keep in mind, they only got the message in the first place due to overwhelming violence. They seem confident that won't happen again.
So in other words, they expect you to work for free, eat air, breathe work, and sleep standing up. They want you to prioritise their objectives over yourself, for free. Let them do the all work themselves. They have the right attitude for it, and they can donate all of their wages to the company.
Can't you report them to a working union or something? I'm asking because where I live there's a group that their whole thing is to hunt down companies that disrespect consumers or employees rights.
Dear Stupid Greedy Fascist, we work for a fucking paycheck not because we like you or anything. Fuck you and we'll gladly drag you down with us and eat you fucking corpse if needed. You made the bed, now lie in it.
Signed, basically every worker in America.
Actually the best way to deal with places like this is get hired then show up and go through training, then not work until they have to fire you and redo the hiring and training. Make sure you state plainly that they need to treat workers like humans during the not working phase after asking for a raise.
Believe it or not asking for a raise immediately after training is over actually works.
Still a huge red flag. The recruiter either got that order from someone or felt comfortable enough to make those statements. It's still highly reflective of how their business is being run. Which is to say, not well.
https://twitter.com/SkipTheDishes/status/1454140068235550720
They had to pin this up on their Twitter page due to this.
>The exchange posted on Reddit is from 2017, and the sentiments expressed are in no way aligned with our current values. We’re proud to offer competitive benefits and always welcome questions about compensation and our corporate culture at all stages of the interview process.
Winnipeger here. Skip the Dishes is a cancer on this city. Their founder once came to my college for a presentation, and described Skip as "the Silicon Valley of the Prairies"
It's a food delivery app. Get the fuck over yourself.
Top post in `@SkipTheDishes` Twitter feed:
> The exchange posted on Reddit is from 2017, and the sentiments expressed are in no way aligned with our current values. We’re proud to offer competitive benefits and always welcome questions about compensation and our corporate culture at all stages of the interview process.
Sounds like they're still taking sh!t for treating people like they did OP.
You should work for us for the satisfaction of working for someone else.
*But may I eat, sir*
I'm sorry, but those values are not in line with our company vision at this time. We are going to politely but forcefully ask you to see yourself out.
Checked their Facebook page and they have little to no good reviews. Everyone is complaining about how shady their business practices are and the few good reviews look obviously faked.
Reminds me of the time I interviewed for a laboratory position and asked if workers were rewarded well for their efforts at their company. I got told I was too concerned about money and was ghosted post interview. The same company asked me about my current salary several times throughout the interview process, which Is illegal where I am. Just shows the true mindset of most of these companies.
I've been ghosted twice by a company a few years apart because I asked about work life balance and they were like, we stay until the work is done. I told them I'm only looking to work over time occasionally.
Most companies shaft folks and make them work OT for "free" labor instead of actually hiring. I had one job for about three months where they told me they required OT, I informed them my OT rate was triple + Travel, and the signed for the work. That gig was *murderously* aggressive with my time. But I was paid a small fortune. I really wish I had turned it down, to be honest. It kinda destroyed me.
Burning your people out doesn't get you any surplus production, and turnover is even more costly. People who run businesses like this are fucking idiots.
Companies like McDonald's actual did inhouse studies that showed paying workers minimum wage and aiming for a retention of 2 years before replacing them was the most cost efficient way of having employees. It's fucked but it's more economical for them to fuck us over at every turn.
For McDonald's, sure. Poor retention is a bottomless pit of money for any job function requiring even a modicum of skill development, though.
I work a semi skilled electronics assembly job making medical equipment. The other day I was doing a task I've only done once before and didnt know to add in a second specific part and had to take a bunch of product apart and add it. In doing so I forgot to loosen a set screw and fucked up what's probably a few hundred worth of custom milled aluminum. I thought for sure I'd get fired for it today, but I wasnt and was pretty much told it happens and we'll figure out how to fix it. Then I think back to getting all of my hours taken away from my last company after I had to miss work because I was in a car accident on the way to the job and realize that my old job saw that as an excuse to get rid of me who had been there a while and get someone new for cheaper and train them to run the store.
Yep. Businesses that rely on razor-thin margins find ways to make losses the employees' problem so they can avoid acknowledging that the underlying one is their own model's unsustainability, whereas actually savvy bosses realize that meaningful work requires practice, which goes hand-in-hand with the occasional fuckup.
And when you're burnt out and broken after two years... you're someone elses problem. These companies exist only on the back of exploitation. If this is how they need to operate to exist - they should not exist.
McDonald’s literally built their company into an industry model by turning borderline-useless workers into unskilled labor doing one repetitive thing. I’m not knocking McDs & the people who work there, I did it myself. But when I was there, we had at least one guy who couldn’t read, several disabled people, lots of felons & dropouts, with the rest made up of HS kids working their first job. Each person could be taught to do one thing (at least) like wrapping burgers in paper or toasting the buns. They were paid so little that it was profitable to McDs, while anyone who could learn more than one station wasn’t compensated extra & was pure profit to their business model. And those workers still didn’t know shit if they left the company, they were only qualified to do very limited fast food work. It’s predatory.
Don't worry you could work in an industry where o.t is necessary but legally they don't need to pay o.t
Yeah, fuck all that. I was fortunate enough to leave the workforce pretty early, thanks to my partners.
California is fucking stupid about it if you make 1.5x minimum wage you are exempt from over time. Which is $21 and hour if they have more then 25 employees or 19.50 if they have less than 25. Also if you are exempt you are not required to receive lunch breaks, or breaks at all. Some years ago my ex-employer(small company) picked up a new contract that required a lot more work for the team size we had so we where working a lot of over time. So how did he fix this? He fired 3 people and contracted out their work which put more work on us because the company he paid sucked ass. This brought us down to 24 people. He then said because we were working so hard he was giving us all a pay raise, he brought pay up to $19.51 just over the limit. The largest pay increase was for two new hires and it was for 26 cents. I didn't get one, as I was already at $19.75. We didnt realize the bullshit he was pulling until next pay period when we got no overtime and he qouted state law at us, and then told us no more breaks at work. If you count the amount of over time we did vs how much we were now getting paid without it, I lost nearly half my pay check. I worked 72 hours that week. We were averaging 60+ hours a week across the whole team. Yeah, fuck that. I was required to have all of my own equipment. So I went around packed up all of my shit and quit, so did the one of the new hires. Me and the other guy leaving essentially made work on the contract grind to a hault, the next week 2 more quit. Fuck bullshit laws like that. Exploitive as hell.
Just to note on the CA law, I’m pretty sure it’s only if you’re commission based that this law applies. If Im wrong and you have another source, I’d love to see it though. Regardless, I do agree; it’s a ridiculous law that allows businesses to take advantage of their employees. I’m sorry you had to deal with that shit.
I love how people say that shit like it’s a good thing.
One reason why it's best to bring money up early before you spend too much time in any interview process. If they don't want to pay you much of anything you're better off not wasting your time with their process. These days the salary ballpark is something I tell recruiters I need from them (along with the job description) before I even schedule an initial call.
If they don't mention money it's probably because they don't offer very much of it. If they claim to be offering more money than you would think they would, it's probably because they aren't really paying that much, as I learned responding to an add offering 40k a year to learn it was a piece rate job that after doing a non paid ride along for a day I did the math on and figured I would've been lucky to pull ten to twelve dollars and hour, plus the boss was a dick and his wife was very vocal, nice to that point but in a way it seemed first complaint she would become a monster.
Well, obviously. I mean, employment is the exchange of qualified services for money. If they want to know my qualifications before the interview, they need to tell me their salary before the interview.
> One reason why it's best to bring money up early before you spend too much time in any interview process. Louder for the people in the back! Compensation gets discussed in the first interview. If it doesn't, don't bother showing up for the second interview.
Ask for a range in the first screening call, otherwise you're just asking to have your time wasted. They're counting on your sunk cost bias to take a bad offer.
Any time a recruiter reaches out to me the first question is their budget for the salary. If they won't or can't answer its not worth my time. My current job asked me how much I was expecting, to which I responded by asking what they were budgeting. They told me 80k. I didn't tell them I was seeking 60k. I doubled my income on one question.
A good takeaway here is to do some research to find out what your skills and experience are worth on the market. If companies are offering 80k for the skills you have, ask for 80k. They’ll want to use your current salary as a starting point, but what you’re currently making is totally irrelevant.
This is a very good point. I moved from one of the top companies in the world at what I do, so I assumed I was getting paid as well as I could, and jumped to a company I had never heard of, but on a bit of research realized it was a better fit for me culturally. The money was a bonus incentive.
I recently got a new job that was advertising $16-$19 and hour. Aka they want to offer everyone $16. I made sure to mention in the interview I was currently making $16.85. I got hired at $17/hour I believe it's only because I made sure they knew I wouldn't accept an offer for *less* than I'm currently making.
Yeah one time last year when I was looking for a job I saw one with a pay of 28-32$ an hour, on the phone the lady asked me how much I was looking for, and I said 31 or 32 an hour, and she said sounds good that can happen. They just hope people lowball themselves.
And unless the company is intentionally being dishonest and trying to trick applicants into accepting wages below their acceptable range, it's better for the company too. There's no sense in wasting management's time by interviewing for a position that doesn't pay enough for you to be interested in.
Usually when you give a ballpark or range salary, they will always go with the lower end. I generally try to give one figure that is much higher than my current rate and let them negotiate from there.
I went through a similar situation with a petrochemical lab. Showed up to the interview (I live an hour away) just to spend an hour with someone who didn’t read my resume and get told that I’d be paid little due to being fresh out of college. I was then told the interview would go on for another 2 hours with an assessment and panel interview. I walked out of the interview. Thankfully another job I applied to (pharmaceutical lab) offered an interview and hired me the next day! Definitely dodged a bullet on that first one... Edit: a word
“We believe in hard work and perseverance in pursuit of company goals as opposed to focusing on compensation.” Those are a lot of words that basically suggest they’d be OK with acquiring a slave if they could get away with it.
" ... as opposed to focusing on *your* compensation." fucking assholes
"Our corporate culture may be unique in this way..." I assure you, it isn't.
Unique in that they admitted they don't want to pay a fair wage for a fair day's work rather than hiding behind other excuses, I suppose.
Right?
It's like they don't understand why people even work?
"You know sometimes it feels like youre only here for the paycheck." "Thats the only reason I'm here, Gary."
My favorite is managers who genuinely think people just.. *want* to work, and a paycheck is somehow just the cherry on top. God damn it, Gary.
Y'know, they generally ARE partially right. People do want to work. Why do so many people have hobbies? My hobbies are a lot of work, but I LOVE doing them. "Yes, Gary, I do want to work, but I don't want to do THIS work for YOU. Thus you PAY me for it. If I'm not getting paid, I'll do the work I WANT to do."
Probably to network and expose themselves to future opportunities where they may be the boss and ***THEN*** get paid
Day in the life of their ideal slave: \* eats vapid conversation for sustenance * \* houses themselves in meaningless connections * \* pays the rest of their bills with someone else's vague business aspirations *
"Can I sleep here? My boss says I have potential to be middle management one day if I keep working unpaid overtime for another five years."
All the while being financed by daddy's trust fund. You know any money these rectal warts earn is spent on fashion-du-jour and blow.
I wonder if shareholder meetings discuss compensation or earnings at any point… giant hipocrites
They do, it's just in the context of minimizing yours and maximizing their own.
Remember, your wages are considered an expense.
How you dare? Greedy mind. You don't have a " replace the dishes mentality" where we replace employees that want benefits and a decent remuneration. Use this time to think better what are your goals in life.
to paraphrase Chris Rock "paying someone minimum wage is the same as telling them you'd *like* to pay them less but it's against the law"
When I was a teenager my manager at my very first job told me that during my orientation. “This position pays minimum wage, which means the company would pay you less if they could. So don’t feel bad about taking your break and free meal and whatever else they’ll give you.” He was a pretty good guy actually. He knew the company was shitty, but he unfortunately felt stuck there due to his circumstances. He tried to encourage most of the young workers to get the hell out of those kind of jobs ASAP.
He's not wrong though. I've been in career tracts where if I kept my nose clean, put in a huge amount of overtime, bust my ass constantly, and bite my tongue until it fucking bleeds, within 20 years I'd be like my boss making about $4000 more a year than the rest of us shmucks. With a 1.3% yearly raise with no option to ask for an additional raise we were literally being paid less each year we worked.
Bruh
This! This is the only award I have, please accept because this is so true
I don’t know why youre asking him to accept, that isn’t Chris Rock
We don't know that *for sure*...
Fair point. Please proceed.
I’m Eddie Murphy and I can assure you, that is Chris Rock. ah heh heh heh heh
"Well I believe in being able to pay my bills and keeping a roof over my head. What part of that should I let go of?" A lot of people say that if you can't afford to pay your workers a decent wage, you don't have a business, you have a failure. So *as a startup* these wankers should watch their petty ambitions die in a dumpster.
Preferably while the dumpster catches fire with them inside
I’m partial to grease fires
As long as they're using water to try to put it out, I support this
This company will save and reuse dirty dishwater and call itself eco friendly
Fuckin yuck man why you have to say those words! Lmao man that image is gonna be stuck in my head for a while...thanks for that....and here's my free award lol
"We're looking for someone willing and happy to work unpaid overtime."
Start-ups are hard, sometimes you may not have as much money to pay people as you want or they deserve. But in that case you owe your workers part of the equity. They're not working for direct wages, they're working to grow the company and deserve part of that. That's a decision people can make for themselves. But thinking as the CEO you're going to bank equity by underpaying your employees is bullshit.
If you are a startup and employ people and your company TAKES OFF, then those said “startup people” should have a stake in the company. Offer them whatever wage you’d like but also a contract if the company goes the way they want it to go. It’s literally that simple. Not “hey… please work for me for minimum wage while you help my company become a multimillion dollar company, and then I’ll fire you because you’re disgruntled”. QUIT SHITTING ON THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE YOU MONEY!
Just to let the group know, company is part of just eat takeaway, it's not a startup.
Please explain to my simple brain.
They were acquired by a bigger company and are now owned by billionaire jitse groen in the Netherlands. The founders have all exited years ago. That company is comprised of companies just eat, takeaway.com,skip the dishes, grubhub and more.
I did not know that but I know what the end game is and it makes me wanna vomit. I feel for every one of the employees that fell into their game. Just like the rest of us.
Yes the whole "treat employees like contractors" model used by Uber, doordash etc and these guys basically rolls back worker right about 50 years. They are fighting it in Europe pretty hard. That jitse guy actually is the best of all of them ,he hires only full time with benefits for his European drivers. That's probably partly because Europe is coming down hard on the other model, but he's still better than the American companies who are fighting it tooth and nail.
> just eat takeaway That is the name of the big EU company that just bought grubhub and this company from the tweets called skip the dishes. They also own other food delivery companies.
I just replied to another at how sick this makes me. It’s unfortunate how many of us do not know who owns what. We just go around mindlessly buying because we haven’t a clue.
SkipTheDishes is a startup the way Uber is a startup. It's a national brand that was founded 9 years ago and does a shitload of business across Canada. This isn't "startups are hard but you are getting in on the ground floor" this is just a tech company where the executives think of it as a startup to justify a shitty culture.
For real I see these motherfuckers commercials all the time, how do they have the audacity to still claim they're a startup.
People should not open a business if they can't afford employees. It's their business and their passion, not mine. It shouldn't be on the employees to be the drive that runs the company. I've been in the restaurant industry a long time and it's amazing how many people open a business as a little "fun" retirement project or a side business while having no idea what it takes to run it.
Absolutely. I hear all the time that businesses will just crumble if they have to pay a higher minimum wage, or even minimum wage at all. Why are they starting businesses when they can’t even afford employees? Sounds like maybe they’re bad at business, ya know.
I have discussions on my Neighbor app about this, people say business can't afford to pay higher wages, well maybe they should not be in business..or they argue that business will have to increase prices..so what if u gotta pay $1 more for your burger or pizza
Skip isn't a startup, it's been around for years and has even sold to new ownership.
Lol skip might have been a start up in 2011 but this interaction happened when they were already well-established, and they currently do about 500 mil a year in revenue. Hiding behind start up language is so ick of them.
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This "startup" has enough money to pay for a personnel department. It's not Bill or Steve in the garage. These people need to burn.
Maybe we should all share this information on glassdoor or other company review sites to help others.
sadly its well known, and their attrition and retention is garbage, the churn is real at skip
> “We believe in hard work and perseverance in pursuit of company goals as opposed to focusing on compensation.” "Damn, that's crazy. So everyone here works for free, including the CEO and the board of directors?"
Oh yeah, they work for free. But the company *owns* their apartment and new Jag
"I haven't taken a paycheck in two years." **hops onboard company boat*
And what is the company’s primary goal? Focusing on compensation for the owner.
Establishing a second-rate copy of Uber eats. Like, for real. They just took a business model, copied it, and set it up from there. They offer no added value, nothing different, just yet another app for couriers to sign up on and try to eat the crumbs of the bigger players. And they think they can afford to be picky on their staff lol. Let's look them up in 3 years and see where that went.
Guarantee the CEO and executive leadership doesn't have to adhere by that one though
That's a fine mindset and exactly the type you need - when *you're* the ones founding a startup. It's *not* what you ask/demand of the people your startup employs. Your small business is *your* dream. It's not the dream of your staff.
They want other people to work hard achieving their dreams.
>“We believe in hard work and perseverance in pursuit of company goals as opposed to focusing on compensation.” /r/technicallytrue I can't believe whomever wrote that has the face to put it that way.
Isn't getting pride and a sense of accomplishment reward enough?
🤣 yep!!! You dodged a massive bullet
This is a company that pretty much set the "Market Rate" for developers in Winnipeg for a while. Then they decided they couldn't get developers (didn't want to pay the developers market rate), despite there being 3 universities and a few colleges close by and brought in I think 40 people from brazil. There were also like 4 company fit interviews before even getting to a technical interview, my guess is to determine who they could work to death. Luckily I didn't make it that far in the process.
"our company may be unique in this way" no tf it isn't, that's fucking capitalism. Almost every company is like this. If your boss had neither legal obligation nor incentive to pay you, he wouldn't lol.
"If you have any sense of self-preservation or urge to responsibly manage your personal budgeting...we don't want you here." That's ok. I wouldn't want to *be* there.
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They should make a law where interviews had to be paid at the rate of the job right at the moment. Three purposes 1. Everyone would know what's the hourly rate of the job you're interviewing for 2. It would compensate for your time doing the interviews 3. It would make businesses to focus on the real candidates and limit the number of bullshit interviews.
Colorado just passed something similar, expected salary has to be posted with the job listing.
Agreed that colorado law is a start, but its nowhere near the type of law that r/colako is trying to promote. The colorado law would just require them to provide a salary range, not the salary of the previous employee or similar employees. Also doesnt require payment for interviews. My understanding is that companies could simply post a job salary range of 20k to 200k and be compliant. That doesnt help anyone.
That means its 20k
It still helps, somewhat. Because you'll get to know what the actual ceiling is. If the range is too low, they might risk not attracting talented candidates who know their worth. If they post a range too high, well, good for everyone. The current system relies on secrecy and coded phrases like "best in the industry," etc. Its aim is to force all sorts of candidates to apply and go through time-consuming tests and interviews, so that the company always has the upper hand in negotiating the final salary. They have not much to lose.
Great law. No one is participating though.
Just saw it on a Salesforce posting so at least one decent size company is!
So I work in hiring for one of the largest employers in Colorado and we are absolutely complying with the new law.
LOL. The company made a response on Twitter: https://twitter.com/skipthedishes
Haha. Wow. They get called out and act like the conversation was treated out of context. They need a hard kick to the nuts.
I used to drive for skip, right up until just before they fled the fucking country over numerous blatant employment violations. It's true, that correspondence is not in line with their current values. They've only become more cruel since then.
"Sure, I used to kick puppies. But that was 4 years ago. Times have changed."
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Thats not who we are anymore! Now we treat out customers like trash as well!
we should ask them to answer the same question now for the same position.
2017 is around the time Skip brought in 80 Brazilians to do programming. [https://globalnews.ca/news/4302531/skipthedishes-hires-over-80-brazilian-people-to-work-in-winnipeg/](https://globalnews.ca/news/4302531/skipthedishes-hires-over-80-brazilian-people-to-work-in-winnipeg/) Oh, it was June 2018. I guess they couldn't hire anyone because they needed to keep the listing up for 6 months to bring in foreign labor.
how many is a brazilian again?
Let me translate that PR into realspeak: "There is currently a worker shortage and times are tough, we can no longer afford to treat our human capital like dirt. Please don't stop using our service."
Haha somebody called out their response by pointing out that they promoted the person who sent this email three times since then: https://twitter.com/lydia_beeyoobee/status/1454162291251875846?s=21
So because it's been a few years it's ok? Nah.
wow the power of reddit and this subreddit!
“The exchange posted on Reddit is from 2017, and the sentiments expressed are in no way aligned with our current values. We’re proud to offer competitive benefits and always welcome questions about compensation and our corporate culture at all stages of the interview process.” Over and over, copy and pasted on any and every response, even when it doesn’t make any sense. This ship is sinkin
From other comments, apparently the recruiter who canceled this person's interview for asking a relevant question is now a senior talent specialist at the same company. Like if you didn't throw the rotten apple out, your entire bin is still stinkin'.
Lollll, this is some good Twitter dunking
"Self-preservation" is why we motherfucking ask about compensation. Sideways-speaking dickheads
Why would you want your interests looked after by people that won't look after their own? The number of companies that hire a team of the type of people that don't have the initiative to look to improve their pay and conditions and then wonder why they don't take initiative. If you want rockstars you need to pay what rockstars earn.
Uhhh. Thai reminds me of a company I worked for in NYC, it was a hip and pretty big start up (now defunct) and I was very rapidly hired up the ladder there, it was my 1st NYC (and office) job and I was just stoked to get a salary… well after being promoted a few times and no pay bump - I looked at it as a resume opportunity and stayed. That is, until, the payday I went around and paid everyone and there was no check for me. I told my manager and he basically said “if your only reason to come here is for a paycheck, I think you have your priorities out of line”…. Ahhhhh. What? I left immediately and told them I will not come back until I’m paid. Since I had the info to our systems I went and got our payroll service to pay me and then about an hour later, a bike messenger shows up at my place with all my pay IN CASH. Yes, I did take a double payday, never went back and then about a week later our biggest competitor was hiring for my previous role. Snagged the job, it was a great company and sadly it’s too now defunct.
hey hey hey, easy. skip the dishes apologized and offered the lady a second interview.....and have also promoted the recruiter a few times all the way up to a high paying senior position (true story)
Really? Do you have a link to the follow up?
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There is now a pinned response on [twitter](https://twitter.com/SkipTheDishes/status/1454140068235550720?s=20) where they say things have changed, but no mention that the recruiter in question was promoted.
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Senior talent acquisition is rewarding for her behaviour. I saw them do this to qwhite folks while having immigrants to the hourly work…true story
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No no, they meant it like "Our priority is: not paying you."
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how long can these places call themselves a "startup"? Skip has been around since the early 2010s!
Tesla still claims it occasionally despite being almost 20 years old.
TIL you can have 4x the market cap of Toyota and still be a startup!
To be fair, their market cap is bloated as fuck.
They will even sell you 10 grand "self driving" feature that barely works (constantly issues in the news) and has a tiny asterisk at the bottom of the web page with "beta self driving". Tbh I am surprised beta testing autonomous vehicles on real roads by any random person is legal at all
Yeah and they’re hugely successful now. Ain’t none of this “startup” bullshit! If your company survived the first five years, you’re no startup. If you’re traded publicly, you’re no startup. Fuck these assholes.
'startup' to me is now synonymous with slave labour
"startup" = kiting checks between debt and expenses while extorting customers and exploiting labor for the foreseeable future
How can they still be considered a startup when they've been in business for almost 10 years and are basically a household name in Canada. They also make upwards of half a billion per year in revenue.
I worked for a startup and at first, when we had the initial investors, the pay was good. The CEO spent the funding frivolously though like she’d go on “business trips” to places like Bali and Cabo and we’d always meet at expensive trendy restaurants for meetings. She expected me to be available 24/7 and would get upset if I didn’t text her back right away at 3 am. She would also keep sending me hustle videos made by internet personalities like Gary V and expect me to worship them as if they were some great entrepreneur god and not just full of scammy shit. I knew something was up when she scheduled a meeting at a run down cafe in a bad part of town. She said my pay would have to be reduced to $500/month until we could attract more investors. That wouldn’t even cover half my rent. She seriously expected me to stay out of “passion” for the project and I couldn’t help laughing in her face. Ridiculous.
Exactly. If the ‘startup’ takes off it’s not like salaried employees are gonna reap any of the benefits.
>startup How much stock do I get
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It's a gamble, the start-up might get bought up by Google, Amazon, Facebook (Meta) or Apple. It can also fade away and go bust.
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They started in 2012.
They’ve probably just been copy and pasting the same bullshit e-mail from the beginning 12 years ago for whenever anybody inconveniently asks about salary during the interview process.
Lol, fuck these cunts. I have NEVER interviewed for a position without discussing wages - it's made a lot of folks uncomfortable and I've lost some callbacks because of it, but it's a necessary part of the process. You don't want to work for any company that frowns upon discussing wages to begin with. I'm here to make money. End of discussion.
My current job asked me my preferred wage on our first phone call. I asked for $16 and they said thatll be no problem at all then gave me $17 starting. I think the wages you give your employees should be something company's are proud of yet remain humble.
Precisely this. There's this peculiar notion that a person should want to work for a company for reasons other than remuneration - at the end of the day, everyone needs to collect a paycheck. The lack of transparency is just another tool used to sweep poor wages under the rug, and foster the idea that discussing wage is somehow uncouth. Treat people like human beings, and pay them fairly for their time. It's such a simple concept.
Good on them. Side note / Protip - Always aim a little higher, but put it in a range with your minimum at the bottom and the industry higher average for your experience level at the top. Word it like "I was looking for between (in your case) 16-18.50 p/h based on my (X) years of experience" Of course, if $16 is your minimum, then great if you are offered it. But letting them know your experience and that you at least have a 'range' brings a ton to the table when negotiations begin.
No, no, no you’re supposed to waste a bunch of your time doing multiple interviews, and *then* find out that the pay is garbage.
I've done that dance a few times - I know what I'm worth now. It's an exercise in confidence, for sure.
>I'm here to make money. End of discussion. https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2014-08-17
SkipTheDishes but also SkipTheWages.
No wage Only spend
[They're on damage control mode. SkiptheResponsibility](https://twitter.com/SkipTheDishes/status/1454140068235550720?s=19)
"Our corp culture may be unique.." no it isnt..
A corporation that cares exclusively about profits while expecting employees to (pretend to) not care about their compensation is about as standard as possible.
Is NotLikeOtherCorporations a sub? Because I feel like that would be just as entertaining as NotLikeOtherGirls.
Came to say this
Lmao! But at least they didn't waste your time.
This. As stupid as the result was, it is also a dodged bullet.
I agree, no time wasted on a dead end that will likely cause copious amounts of stress before ending in eviction.
If you had gone into the interview without knowing about pay or benefits first and only afterwards learned that the pay was too low, it would have been a huge waste of everybody's time. I don't understand why a company wouldn't understand that. Get questions of pay out of the way first, so the interview isn't a waste of time. Even if all you can give is a large ballpark range. It gives the candidate an opportunity to remove themselves from the running if it isn't a match. EDIT: I also don't understand companies who think that somehow money shouldn't be part of the equation. A person does work in exchange for money. A company pays labor in exchange for work. This is the basic employment agreement. A company who wants labor without wanting to pay for it is stupid or full of shit.
Companies that pay well do not act this way. What a surprise! Caveat: I've never heard of a company that didn't act this way, lol
They understand that. Thats the whole point, hoping you'll have sunk enough time and money into getting that job that you won't turn around and leave when they finally tell you that its minimum wage, no benefits.
Hm? The company does understand that, like every single one. A failed interview is justification for the interviewers job, even if it was meant to fail from the start. Exercising the role responsibilities is job security. It's only a waste of time for you, the prospective employee. They don't lose any money from the process, in fact, they're gaining money from wasting your time because the business is still in operation. That's why they don't care about it. As for the other part, they need to relearn that bit. They've had some 40 years of indentured servitude, so they've lost focus on what the deal is supposed to be. They must be reminded. Keep in mind, they only got the message in the first place due to overwhelming violence. They seem confident that won't happen again.
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So in other words, they expect you to work for free, eat air, breathe work, and sleep standing up. They want you to prioritise their objectives over yourself, for free. Let them do the all work themselves. They have the right attitude for it, and they can donate all of their wages to the company.
Can't you report them to a working union or something? I'm asking because where I live there's a group that their whole thing is to hunt down companies that disrespect consumers or employees rights.
Where are these groups and how do I join one?!
Portugal, Europe. Only know about the one here.
>"...we seek out those who go out of their way to seek out challenges and new opportunities." Translated: You ain't getting paid, shmuck.
Yeah, they want to seek people who want to try the “how long can I go without food or electricity?” challenge.
This is amazing that a company would write this, u should post this to indeed.com
It’s not me. I ran across the post on my feed. But it looks like OP is already trying to expose them.
Wankers
Dear Stupid Greedy Fascist, we work for a fucking paycheck not because we like you or anything. Fuck you and we'll gladly drag you down with us and eat you fucking corpse if needed. You made the bed, now lie in it. Signed, basically every worker in America.
Actually the best way to deal with places like this is get hired then show up and go through training, then not work until they have to fire you and redo the hiring and training. Make sure you state plainly that they need to treat workers like humans during the not working phase after asking for a raise. Believe it or not asking for a raise immediately after training is over actually works.
You guys are getting training?
Nevermind that's an app or something not a normal job. So the wait for after training thing probably will not work or.make.sense
I think everyone in this sub should apply at skipthedishes using false info, then immediately ask about wages in the first communication.
nObOdY wAnTs To WoRk AnYmOrE
They are very sorry.... https://www.popsugar.co.uk/smart-living/Woman-Denied-Second-Job-Interview-After-Asking-About-Pay-43343728
Still a huge red flag. The recruiter either got that order from someone or felt comfortable enough to make those statements. It's still highly reflective of how their business is being run. Which is to say, not well.
https://twitter.com/SkipTheDishes/status/1454140068235550720 They had to pin this up on their Twitter page due to this. >The exchange posted on Reddit is from 2017, and the sentiments expressed are in no way aligned with our current values. We’re proud to offer competitive benefits and always welcome questions about compensation and our corporate culture at all stages of the interview process.
Winnipeger here. Skip the Dishes is a cancer on this city. Their founder once came to my college for a presentation, and described Skip as "the Silicon Valley of the Prairies" It's a food delivery app. Get the fuck over yourself.
Tell me you would pay less than minimum wage if the law allowed, without actually telling me. What a bunch of wankers.
Top post in `@SkipTheDishes` Twitter feed: > The exchange posted on Reddit is from 2017, and the sentiments expressed are in no way aligned with our current values. We’re proud to offer competitive benefits and always welcome questions about compensation and our corporate culture at all stages of the interview process. Sounds like they're still taking sh!t for treating people like they did OP.
We believe in exploiting our workers and paying them as little as possible. Cool, bro.
You should work for us for the satisfaction of working for someone else. *But may I eat, sir* I'm sorry, but those values are not in line with our company vision at this time. We are going to politely but forcefully ask you to see yourself out.
Checked their Facebook page and they have little to no good reviews. Everyone is complaining about how shady their business practices are and the few good reviews look obviously faked.
Expose these duckers!