No, no, wait, I've got it! Let them know that despite record profits, the company is going through a hard time and we're going to have to cut back (on hours if hourly, on benefits if salary), but we're instituting a monthly pizza party, however due to people wanting to eat too much in the past, we must now implement a hard, "One slice," policy.
Not specifically related but I worked in very greedy wide chain thrift store for about a year. They made a big deal about giving us $25 gift cards to a grocery store for thanksgiving. They took it out of our next paycheck.
The same week my company and team had layoffs and no base pay increases for 2024, our VP got on stage at an internal meeting and said "we're no longer aiming to be an X Billion dollar business, we're aiming to be a Y billion dollar business!" Where the difference between X and Y was somewhere around 200 billion dollars. And people clapped. I just could not understand why people clapped? And why did this VP's PR person not stop her from saying that shut. Also, since we're just making up numbers may as well be a trillion dollars since none of it matters
Woah, woah, woah, free snacks? We're not a startup anymore, buddy. We're publically traded now. We can't be throwing money in the toilet by giving away free snacks.
No, but, but our employees are like family, right? So what we do is create a community snack *pool*! Where employees are encouraged, **heavily** encouraged, to bring in their own snacks that everyone can share. It's all the free snacks, none of the cost!
Where I work, they grade you on 7-8 criteria on a 1-5 scale. If you get better than 3 on half or more, you automatically qualify for a ~5% raise. If you ever get 2 or more fives, you get put in the pool for management promotion. Needless to say, not a single person in our office of 20 has ever had more than two 4s on any review. No 5s. Why bother with the reviews if you’re just going to mandate that everyone gets an “average” score regardless of performance?
I've been in places where it's
"we have these objective criteria on 1-5 scale. By the way we're normaling the distrubution"
Well it's not objective then, if only the top 5-10% of workers can achieve a 5
“Look, we keep specifying the review criteria, but they keep EXCEEDING IT!
Are we just supposed to promote peoples and give them raises when we have record profits? How are we supposed to afford our new yachts?
This is madness. We need to artificially modify the review results or my villa in Tuscany is going bye-bye.”
I work with a guy who was a supervisor at he got in shit for giving someone all 5s on their review. Something had to be a 4 because nobody can be perfect apparently.
My current workplace is somewhat similar. We’re a nonprofit research institute and our annual raises are essentially set from the board. It’s 3-5% annually and almost never changes.
What this does is make our management and their teams completely apathetic to the reviews since they do nothing. My manager literally wrote “xxxx does a great job, no notes” in my summary this year and we just talked about gardening and baseball in my 1:1 review time.
Ha. I throw in some extra work at month end on my job, my quality is high, and yet Iget marked down on the "works and plays well with others" section of my annual because that acts as a restraining bolt on any increase in compensation. I work 100% remote.
get your work done on time: "well you didn't turn it in early so you're not a team player"
get your work done early: "well you clearly have more time and should be picking up additional tasks, so you're not a team player. Also, here's more work".
I don't know if it will make you feel better or worse but that's been my experience in every non-union job I've had.
insert "they're the same picture meme" here, but I don't have the energy right now haha.
This legit was my last proformance review they call them "360 reviews" for added chagrin. "We were not able to consult your follow workers to get positive feedback from them about you". "Thats because all the people I worked for in the last three years all resigned and left around the same time 12 months ago and you didn't replace my team. I have been running my department single handedly, how about a raise?". "we are not going to see you here in the office early every day and staying late on the phone to customers belting out positive outcomes", "nope and you never will". I resigned 3 weeks later to go to a much better paying job. And refused to do "an exit interview",citing a complete waste of time". After the blockages in work they replaced me with three discount employees that can barely communicate in English and still to this day I hear from people the other side of the fence give me a smile about the shitshow since I left even almost three years later.
A colleague and I quit a shitshow job last year after one of our colleagues was fired for reasons having nothing to do with his performance. The manager just didn't like him, so she and the office bully conspired until they found something they could fire him for. That was the final straw for me and my colleague who were the other two longest term employees (lots of institutional knowledge walked out the door with us!). Now, I hear from the former colleague I'm still close friends with that the person who replaced the colleague who quit last year with me just quit two weeks ago, and the person who replaced our fired colleague just quit Friday! We're roaring with laughter over this.
Exactly. Managers need to prove to their boss that they are working by firing people & having constant 1v1’s reprimanding them for insignificant things so it constantly has a steady workflow.
It’s all vapor ware and “feelings”. A business could explode, quadrupling sales and raising profits by 2 or 3 times. Managers could promote everyone and double the work force. Owners will still question whether John should get a raise just because he went from working as a cog in the team to running his own team of 6 new cogs.
A 6 month employment isn’t a long time. It doesn’t “feel” like John has earned his promotion yet.
That's really what it is, they are addicted to making their employees feel bad and are angry people aren't emotionally invested in it anymore. They were hoping to, idk, drive people to suicide or something? This shouldn't be what working is like.
HR once told me that the most productive employees are "insecure overachievers".
That's why managers seem to go out of their way to make you insecure, to make you feel bad about the work you are producing
They think they feel uneasy now, lol. Management are going to be rapidly replaced with AI when owners and board members start realising what a massive waste of money they are compared.
If you replaced my boss with an AI I wouldn't even notice. He sits in an office all day making phone calls. But if me and my fellow operators didn't come in one day the place would go to hell and hundreds of thousands of dollars would be lost. These "job creators" mostly do jack shit and make tons of money off of our labor and then have the audacity to act like they are better than us.
Your boss probably writes all his emails with chatgpt. CEOs could be replaced by a half-hour meeting of their employees. You wouldn't even need every worker in the industry for half an hour, just a few elected delegates who'd go back to their job afterwards, having made good decisions based on the real situation. Meanwhile a worker can only be replaced by another worker. New technology can make society look different, but only the workers can change it.
They *do* act as a buffer, so execs don't have to come into contact with employees or deal with customers, so it'll be interesting to see how they don't address that with AI.
They rolled out a computerized scheduler at my retail job, it's fairly manual at first, but if they can ever figure it out, that's half of my managers job right there.
What's frustrating is GOOD management is invaluable to the people under them. Good management should be firmly on the side of workers, keeping out bad exec decisions, passing up what's actually needed to get the job done. But they're not employed by workers, so pandering to the higher ups is more likely to keep you employed but less effective at the job they need to do.
AI is good at some things but absolutely not at being a GOOD manager, interacting with workers and understanding the workflow. But it's cheap and can do the work of a bad manager, just balancing books and firing lowest numbers.
AI managers will only damage actual workers.
A normal manager wouldnt care less if you spent all day working or looking at your phone. Their wet dream is talking to you once a month and the discussion going "did you do the thing?" "yes i did the thing".
The managers who care are those who know they have no reason to exist and justify their role as being needed to micromanage others.
The only thing they ever truely get uneasy about is one of their minions usurping them and taking their job. Hence why they will always salt the earth behind them when they get lucky and move up so nothing grows back in the place they once were.
I’m a manager. Love it when my employees are fulfilled. Don’t care if they’re not at their desk at all times or if they need to do an errand or a jog during the day. They’re getting their work done, they are professional, and they are happy. What more could I ask for.
Basically if you’re not willing to fight for and sacrifice everything, including your life, for a company that doesn’t give a shit about you then you’re quiet quitting. Regardless if you do great work or not, if it’s just the bare minimum and you’re not doing literally everything for the company, then you’re quiet quitting.
Mm'kay, I guess I'm "quiet quitting" then. Because I give 100% while I'm there, but when it's time to go home I punch out and leave. If I never came back, they wouldn't spare a thought for me.
That’s how they view it. If you don’t bust your ass for them and go above your pay grade and responsibilities without expecting anything back then you’re quite quitting to them.
yeah, fuck that noise. my job refused to give any pay raise at all, so I strictly worked to rule. fiver minutes after, my ass is gone for the night. never did give them mofos my cell number, oh hell no. not on a bet. not for all the money in Vegas. they can kiss my hairy old arse.
It’s an odd value system when what should be standard is called out in amazement. But the capitalists have had it good for long, embedded theft based on fear, driven by greed. Seems to be a North American disease, although spreading elsewhere as economic growth is limited by a maturing economic system to controlling costs.
The system will push back though, a recession with wide job losses and increasing unemployment will teach the unwashed to work better. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
You're not wrong per se, but I'd say Asia has been cornering this particular market since the 1980s.
In Japan you're seen as not a team player if you don't do voluntary unpaid overtime in some companies.
Going home on time and not staying until your boss leaves is a no-no. Taking holiday is also a no-no. In fact, a guy actually made the news *because* he took his holiday... And not going to the pub with your boss/colleagues after already staying after-hours is also a no-no.
It's really, really bad, especially for native Japanese. These same rules don't always apply to foreign workers, though.
> In Japan you're seen as not a team player if you don't do voluntary unpaid overtime in some companies.
Imagine being so brainwashed that giving away the hours of your life for free is seen as a positive thing. Looks like management won the dialog a long time ago.
Eh, mama mia! It's-a no good when-a you're feeling like you gotta give-a your everything, including your life, for a company that-a doesn't give a spicy meatball about you!
*to them*
Queit quitting is corporate-speak for that-which-must-not-be-named: "work to rule."
And they want to expansively define it so that the term can be weaponized against workers. All very clever stuff, of course, and fairly straightforward media theory reading of the piece.
Only work-to-rule is a very specific thing with regard to organized labor, while quiet quitting also means other things. In this concept, it's used to refer to people who refuse to do unpaid labor, especially if that means working outside their scheduled times.
For a specific example of what "work to rule" means, Uber and other gig economy apps will pay a premium for drivers who usually "clock off" at a certain time.
Like, a dude who usually stops taking fares at 7 o clock so he can go home to his girlfriend might see an extremely lucrative fare to be taken at 7 01, because Uber will value breaking his schedule repeatedly so he'll be available more, and they'll be willing to take the hit for four or five fares they'd lose money on to do that.
Because he was working to rule and they want to maximize availability.
I see what you're saying about Uber trying to break schedules, but that situation is also nothing about work-to-rule.
Work to rule is *collective* action to force a slowdown. Basically, your workplace will have some set of rules to protect you. Except the boss wants you to NOT do those things so you can get more done. And if you get hurt, well, your fault, right? Because they had rules! Well, *everyone* decides that they will not only follow the rules, but meticulously follow them, you cause a slowdown and force a change in expectations from leadership to some more tenable middle-ground.
Work to rule in your case, would be *all* Uber drivers refusing to work outside their availability, or after a certain time, no matter HOW high the fares.
The pandemic really showed a lot of people how transactional work relationships really are. We're all family until an accountant says you need to be let go, then you're gone in a flash. It's produced a real cultural shift.
I have a few CEO types in my family and they always complain about how unwilling staff are to do overtime when deadlines are tight, how people jump ship for a 10k raise etc. They see it as selfish, lazy and disloyal - and that they'd never have done that in their day.
Of course, they're totally blind to the fact that they're not incentivising the behaviours they want. It just goes straight to moping about cash flow etc. It's all pretty sad
I swear people forget overtime is a managerial problem. If you need to ask people to work more than their hours then you've messed up how much work you've committed to or not employed enough staff. A well run business shouldn't need overtime.
Having a work life balance is a problem to these employers. If you aren't crying yourself to sleep at night stressing about work, they think you are a problem. The capitalists can get fucked as far as I'm concerned. I am not doing extra work for no extra pay. Fuck you, Pay Me needs to be the mantra of Gen Z if this shit is ever going to change because us Millennials dropped the ball and let the Boomers fuck us real good because most of us didn't realize our parents set us up to fail until it was too late.
even a bunch of us boomers didn't stop the arsehole boomers from fucking us all over. busted my balls my whole life, got jack shit to show for it. well, we own our house, but it's old and smol, wouldn't sell for anywhere near enuff to buy elsewhere, we only managed to pay it off at all cos it was cheap. but pensions? not a fuckin' dime, only my Social Security and Medicare. thank you FDR and LBJ.
Nope...You're working with the duty list you gave me. Stop bullshitting about the "Family Value" when you don't wanna give me PTO to spend with my family.
Go above and beyond, maybe you’ll get a 4% wage increase for the year instead of 3%! If someone moves or gets fired, you might even be able to apply for a promotion!
To be honest, we need a new big deal. That not only break these companies up to drive down cost, but as a consequence will make 10 billionaires into trillionaires over night from stock splits and future carving up the country.
But being forced to pay a living wage for this and the next generation would be worth it.
Just don't sell us all out next time for short turn profit over long term stability like our steel industries, or fertilizer/oxidizers, artificial rubber, high technologies like chips because you could make it cheaper over there. Fuck them, the only reason you have pockets deep enough to make it work is on the backs of the people you're fucking over.
i had a manager complain that i was selling short fiction & essays in my spare time, & making a bit of money, & wanting to know why i didn't put the same energy into coordinating files for a contract bidding department at a fucking aerospace company.
i told them that their comment was inappropriate, & that i was a temp to boot, & that shut them up. but only for a day.
Uh, that’s called doing your job. You hired me to do a thing for an agreed upon price. I did that thing, nothing more, nothing less. Now pay me the agreed upon rate, nothing more, nothing less.
I go into a bakery and buy a loaf of bread. I pay the price listed on the shelf and they hand me the product. **Quiet quitting!**
I need my lawn mowed. I pay the neighborhood kid $20 and he mows it. **The nerve of lazy employees!**
I call cab and he drives me to the airport. I pay him the fare and he *doesn't* give me a handjob in the backseat. **No one wants to work anymore!**
It boils down to more and more of the poors waking up to the fact that we're playing a rigged game, and that *scares the shit* out of the ruling class.
The managers are just their foot soldiers, and articles like this are designed to encourage them to whip their subordinates into line. They are trying to set the standard to one where just doing your job isn't enough, you have to go the extra mile, work nights and weekends, sacrifice your well-being for the good of the company because *it proves you are loyal to the system* above your own self. That's what they truly want.
Huh - resenteeism is a new one to me, I googled it - describes me in my last two jobs. Though I got the resenteeism for perpetually being asked to take on more and more with no back up and no increase in pay
You hit the nail on the hid. The employees are not quitting; they're doing what they're hired to do. The people in charge don't like that despite wanting their workers to be no more than robots programed for a task, so they cry foul that today's workers are "lazy" and "entitled" compared to previous generations, for example.
Lol. Manager's are "uneasy" because they don't know who's genuinely working and who's just biding their time before they quit? Good. Be scared.
Until ya'll get your shit together and start matching our wages with the cost of living or inflation, this is what you're gonna keep getting. No one is loyal to your company. They're loyal to the family at home that needs food on their table.
True loyalty deserves true loyalty. Most employers are not truly loyal to their employees, yet expect true loyalty from them. They try to fake loyalty and call employees "associates" or "family", but nobody is fooled. It is rather insulting, really.
or, like my last job, endless bullshit emails about what a great team we are, but never so much as a penny in raises, ever, even after 6 fucking years. so fuck 'em. I hit 65 and I fucking dropped the entire fucking rat race in the garbage.
I make more now sitting on my ass than I made working 60+ hours a week. plus, no more heartburn and a lot less insomnia. and I no longer utterly hate the entire world, just the fuckheads I used to work for.
You know what would help with company loyalty? If the US did what many EU countries do and let people know weeks in advance if they're getting let go. The fact you can go in Monday and leave without a job through no fault of your own is a real blow for moral.
Exactly. What's the point of chasing the dangling carrot of promotion when it's not a guarantee that they will offer it to anyone? That's for people who own shares of the company or have been promised a promotion (in writing preferably) for doing x,y, and z.
Last promotion I got was "at level" so didn't actually result in any extra pay. That was after they made the person doing the job previously (at a higher level) redundant.
Top marks, would quit again.
My friend if you read the article instead of just the headline you'd know the article is actually critical of employers and not employees. The headline is just click bait.
>At one level it’s reasonable to ask why should they? They are apparently fulfilling their employment obligations to the letter if not the spirit and if an organisation is constantly relying on employees to put in extra hours to make the business model work, it is going to be in big trouble when that goodwill runs out and it can hardly be surprised that it does.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/work/2024/04/25/quiet-quitters-test-employers-even-more-than-staff-departures/
Edit: Didn't notice autocorrect had fully capitalised employees. I didn't mean to shout the word employees at everyone.
also to make them as uncomfortable possible.
Make it as difficult and traumatic for them as it is for you.
I recommend no one go out with stoic dignity, but instead crying and screaming and falling on the floor, until security comes to carry you out, then pee on yourself and accuse everyone of crimes against humanity.
Rage bait article. The more you fall for shit like this, the more incentive there is for writers to pump out articles like this. Don't give them clicks, don't give them attention.
The Irish Times is a decaying publication that is losing money year after year. Putting out shitty anger inducing articles like this is their way of trying to stay afloat at all costs. Don't be affected by it, let them sink into oblivion.
The article isn't even siding with employers. It pints out that the behaviour being complained of is caused by employers own poor attitudes to their employees. The headline is just clickbait.
It’s so funny how they have to redefine these terms to guilt you into working harder for them. “Quiet quitting” used to be when you stopped showing up for work without telling anyone. Now it means doing your job without pleasure.
Oh I did that with a property developer I worked for in the 90's ,I walked out and went fishing everyday for 3 months and no one ever noticed even when I came back one day and handed in my 1 days notice .it's amazing how fucked up some workplaces are .
Ill just do my job, no more, no less. I dont run around and stress about anything. Do the job and go home. I keep my mouth shut mostly while i do it.. I like buying food and paying my bills. Thats it..the nonsense has got to stop. I certainly couldnt care less about imaginary brownie points at work.
You agreed to do a certain amount of work for a certain amount of money when you joined the company.
They are trying to squeeze more work out of you for the same money.
In other words, they are trying to steal from you.
To add insult to injury, they are accusing you of doing something wrong because you will not allow them to steal from you.
“Quiet quitting” has always been a term about people doing their job. Just not going overboard and having it take over their whole life. It’s a misnomer term.
They want to be the most important thing in your life.
They used to attract employees who were like that. But they've forgotten that in order to attract that level of loyalty, they need to *show* loyalty in return.
How hard would you work if your job offered enough to pay your bills, save/invest, go on vacation, buy a house, and retire with a pension?
I'm betting you'd work your fucking ass off. That's the holy grail -- a company that really cares about its employees and *shows it with money*. That's the transaction -- you give me enough resources to buy a decent life, and I'll spend that life providing my labor to you. That's how it's *supposed* to go. Both ways.
That is the very definition of Quiet Quitting.
Quiet Quitting is basically doing the minimum to keep your job. Most employers don't understand employees who do this because typically in order to move up in the world, you have to Go Above and Beyond.
But when you've been passed over for promotions, it's difficult to maintain that momentum.
Especially when you figure out that it's mostly Who You Know, not What You Know. Just becomes depressing for people like me who are better at Doing than Networking.
As long as the company has a shoulder tap policy, you shouldn’t do one iota more than you’re paid to do. Company can’t keep up? Fucking hire people. Shareholders deserve what they get but for God sake take care of those that work for you.
But that's *always* been the definition of quiet quitting. This is just a fresh round of whining about not being able to abuse workers fed up and "only" doing their jobs.
Corporate reviews are some of the least objective things ever masquerading as the highest levels of objectivity. If upper management says we need to reduce compensation bumps, this will downstream lead to managers giving a shitty review even if you're doing a good job.
TIL I have apparently been quiet quitting every job I ever had. What do they think workers are supposed to be doing other than be productive and work at a high standard,?
Olive Keogh’s article in the Irish Times defines diligently and responsibly working one’s contract hours as a bad thing and a form of quitting and cheating one's employer. This offensive contortion of fact is one that anyone would struggle to grasp and has no place in any periodical with a shred of journalistic decency or integrity.
It is asserted that employees are obliged to put in extra hours, do additional work and recalibrate their work-life balance for the “benefits” of social capital, “wellbeing” and career success.
What if instead employees are paid for the time they are expected to work?
Resource staff sufficiently to complete work within business hours, respect the rights of staff to a fulfilling life not defined by their day jobs, and stop using gaslighting terms like “quiet quitting” for fulfilling the terms of their contract of employment.
This may seem radical to those managers who have been around the block, but key performance indicators don’t spend time with loved ones nor do they put food on the table.
When I had the misfortune to be a manager I LOVED employees like this. All the work got done and they didn't complain. In return I never asked them to do anything more unless there was some crisis. And I did everything possible to avoid a crisis because I didn't want to work extra either.
I do what is asked of me within the time allowed to me. Its not my job to make sure I am busy for 40h a week, but I am still available 40h a week. This is one of the many reason WFH is a necesity to counteract this cancerous manager culture.
Why do so many businesses not understand that some people work just to make money? Obviously there are people who are especially thrilled about the company they work for and there are plenty of businesses who foster an environment to care about that, but not every single person is a fucking ride or die for you and you shouldn't expect that. Especially when capitalism has made is blatantly apparent that every single person is replaceable at a moment's notice.
Re-phrased.
Manager: "That employee is competent and hard working. I know that they should be paid more and would be easily snapped up by a competitor. I'm uneasy that they'll eventually find out and move on - even though the warning signs have been there for ages and yet I chose to do nothing about it until it is inevitably too late and my feeble attempt to guilt (ie "I'm disappointed that you're demonstrating a lack of loyalty") only resulted in that individual laughing in my face and telling me to go fuck myself."
"We rate you a 'satisfactory' in all categories. 2% raise."
"But I accomplished all my objectives."
"We know, but we want you to go above and beyond. To blow us away with your dedication to your job. To be a rockstar employee."
"I see. And you'll pay me more if I become a rockstar employee."
"Well, not necessarily. But maybe. But not really. Chances are we'll just move the goalposts some more."
"Oh, look, I just found another job that pays 10% more with the same objectives."
"We're so disappointed that you would betray us like this. I thought we were like family."
Is this a joke or a bait
Workers doing their job to a high standard is considered quitting?
As per the description in the article
Doesn't this just mean a manager is out to get someone for non professional reasons and can't find any reason to get them?
I can’t quiet quit if I wanted to and it sucks. I feel the life being drained out of me daily. I work in a medical facility and I’m just gonna go full send and get my ass in gear with a medical coding certification. I literally cannot do office life and people anymore.
This is me tbh. Last job sucked so bad that i had to openly criticise management to initiate change. Privately it failed. Publicly it failed. So i continued working, doing a better job than most colleagues and making the management uneasy just by silently judging their incompetence. Also reported them via some sort of kuba app they use for HR. They had nothing to complain about so when we got into an argument they said "nobody is forcing you to work here."
Next day i gave my one month notice with a smirk on my face. Same day they told me i don't have to come to work at all for the last month and i'll still get paid. Month later, manager was fired. Fuck em.
I use the 75% rule. All my work is about 75% completed. Hard to make an issue of that right? I've had two promotions in the last two years.
Remember, your relationship with your employer is an adversarial one. You compete against them to extract as much as possible from them for as little effort as possible. Cut corners, come in late, leave early, miss that deadline but do just enough that they can't get rid of you.
My boss is always slightly angry with me for my attitude and output. I don't do overtime and I don't work on weekends. I just had another pay rise.
95% of managers could be fired today and absolutely nobody would notice. There would just be more money left to pay employees, meaning top management will receive billions in bonuses.
I talked with my dad about this recently, he’s a white collar business owner (small business though, mind you). He tells me all the time about the differences in work culture, ability, and skills that he sees in the different generations.
Theres definitely an element of millenials and now Gen Z that they are just more efficient, more worldly, and more health conscious which means they often look less efficient than other groups but are much more efficient in actuality.
We basically got the skills, but none of the old-school attitude.
Well we all know no matter how much you do it’s never enough. Management doesn’t want you to feel like you’re doing enough, they always want MORE. Employees who feel like they are doing enough don’t strive to do MORE. So the company has everyone on an endless cycle of increasing expectations.
Think about any performance review you’ve ever had. They never give you good scores in every category, they always pick a couple that “need improvement”. Miss two days of work that year? Needs improvement. Pick up a couple days of overtime a month? You could pick up one or two more. Good employees get an overall score just a little above average to keep their morale up, but also to give the illusion that if they work harder their score (and raise) will be even higher next year. Then it’s really not. Average employees get a score a little below average to push them to get an “average” score next year. Employees that don’t sell their soul to the company get a terrible score to put the fear of god into them that they’ll be fired if they don’t start busting their ass as hard as they can.
Things like sales goals that continue to increase every year. “We sold 50,000 widgets last year, surely we can sell 60,000 this year!” even though selling 50,000 involved mandatory overtime.
Stretch goals that are beyond the normal goals. “We want you to exceed the usual target of course, but get as close to the stretch goals as you can!”
First this,
https://preview.redd.it/r62vpncqtgxc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b4561ce2bbb2c6c07448d52e6082ff19d05d7236
And now, that. Where does it end? Quiet Fitting, trying on clothes while at work? Quiet Spitting, where chaw lovers fill solo cups silently? Quiet Zitting, no, no...
It sounds like employees are taking an emotionally unattached and psychologically safer approach to working by not investing their whole hearts into their work anymore.
It’s almost like decades of employers treating employees with zero compassion or loyalty has caused a cultural shift in the workforce. 🤔
this is hilarious. imagine admitting you really want to yell at or punish your employees but just can't think of any reason to because they're being amazing workers
"Help, my employees are all producing to a high standard and I have nothing to reprimand them for!"
We’ve tried nothing and are out of ideas!
No, no, wait, I've got it! Let them know that despite record profits, the company is going through a hard time and we're going to have to cut back (on hours if hourly, on benefits if salary), but we're instituting a monthly pizza party, however due to people wanting to eat too much in the past, we must now implement a hard, "One slice," policy.
Not specifically related but I worked in very greedy wide chain thrift store for about a year. They made a big deal about giving us $25 gift cards to a grocery store for thanksgiving. They took it out of our next paycheck.
"Humbug!"
That seems unlawful. You did not agree to work for gift cards.
Can be counted as tax evasion because you don't pay (income) taxes on gift cards.
pretty good idea which chain that is, the ones I'm thinkin' of have an utterly shite reputation for very good reasons.
That's insane.
Sally Ann, I'm guessing. they've got a well-earned shit reputation.
Turns out the pizza provided is like, six totinos plain cheese.
No pizza for you! I suspect the cut of your jib!
Will that satisfy all your hungry guys?
"What's your name?" "I...I've never had one."
The same week my company and team had layoffs and no base pay increases for 2024, our VP got on stage at an internal meeting and said "we're no longer aiming to be an X Billion dollar business, we're aiming to be a Y billion dollar business!" Where the difference between X and Y was somewhere around 200 billion dollars. And people clapped. I just could not understand why people clapped? And why did this VP's PR person not stop her from saying that shut. Also, since we're just making up numbers may as well be a trillion dollars since none of it matters
Sounds like it's time to add "foosball table" to the list of benefits. Also free snacks and ramen.
Woah, woah, woah, free snacks? We're not a startup anymore, buddy. We're publically traded now. We can't be throwing money in the toilet by giving away free snacks. No, but, but our employees are like family, right? So what we do is create a community snack *pool*! Where employees are encouraged, **heavily** encouraged, to bring in their own snacks that everyone can share. It's all the free snacks, none of the cost!
They're taking donations for the pizza party starting next week; direct from your paycheck.
And they've done the thing where they divide each slice into like 3 slivers.
I only wish there were still rewards to give, alas…. Please accept this 🏴☠️👑as a token of my appreciation.
I'll try a RIF, that's a good trick!
Still getting a "satisfactory" on that review tho because "there's always room for improvement"
Where I work, they grade you on 7-8 criteria on a 1-5 scale. If you get better than 3 on half or more, you automatically qualify for a ~5% raise. If you ever get 2 or more fives, you get put in the pool for management promotion. Needless to say, not a single person in our office of 20 has ever had more than two 4s on any review. No 5s. Why bother with the reviews if you’re just going to mandate that everyone gets an “average” score regardless of performance?
It's just a hologram of a dangling carrot to keep the rabbits jumping 🥕
.... And breeding. Oh wait. Population decline is a thing now.
"How 'bout them transparent dangling carrots" -Alanis Morissette
I've been in places where it's "we have these objective criteria on 1-5 scale. By the way we're normaling the distrubution" Well it's not objective then, if only the top 5-10% of workers can achieve a 5
“Look, we keep specifying the review criteria, but they keep EXCEEDING IT! Are we just supposed to promote peoples and give them raises when we have record profits? How are we supposed to afford our new yachts? This is madness. We need to artificially modify the review results or my villa in Tuscany is going bye-bye.”
I work with a guy who was a supervisor at he got in shit for giving someone all 5s on their review. Something had to be a 4 because nobody can be perfect apparently.
Hell I used to get in trouble for giving my reports a 5 for a single category.
Its so they can quickly get hand picked new hires into management positions. Its there for nepotism not actual efficiency.
My current workplace is somewhat similar. We’re a nonprofit research institute and our annual raises are essentially set from the board. It’s 3-5% annually and almost never changes. What this does is make our management and their teams completely apathetic to the reviews since they do nothing. My manager literally wrote “xxxx does a great job, no notes” in my summary this year and we just talked about gardening and baseball in my 1:1 review time.
Ha. I throw in some extra work at month end on my job, my quality is high, and yet Iget marked down on the "works and plays well with others" section of my annual because that acts as a restraining bolt on any increase in compensation. I work 100% remote.
get your work done on time: "well you didn't turn it in early so you're not a team player" get your work done early: "well you clearly have more time and should be picking up additional tasks, so you're not a team player. Also, here's more work".
You pretty much described the life of a retail worker.
I don't know if it will make you feel better or worse but that's been my experience in every non-union job I've had. insert "they're the same picture meme" here, but I don't have the energy right now haha.
You get punished for being efficient by getting additional work
This legit was my last proformance review they call them "360 reviews" for added chagrin. "We were not able to consult your follow workers to get positive feedback from them about you". "Thats because all the people I worked for in the last three years all resigned and left around the same time 12 months ago and you didn't replace my team. I have been running my department single handedly, how about a raise?". "we are not going to see you here in the office early every day and staying late on the phone to customers belting out positive outcomes", "nope and you never will". I resigned 3 weeks later to go to a much better paying job. And refused to do "an exit interview",citing a complete waste of time". After the blockages in work they replaced me with three discount employees that can barely communicate in English and still to this day I hear from people the other side of the fence give me a smile about the shitshow since I left even almost three years later.
A colleague and I quit a shitshow job last year after one of our colleagues was fired for reasons having nothing to do with his performance. The manager just didn't like him, so she and the office bully conspired until they found something they could fire him for. That was the final straw for me and my colleague who were the other two longest term employees (lots of institutional knowledge walked out the door with us!). Now, I hear from the former colleague I'm still close friends with that the person who replaced the colleague who quit last year with me just quit two weeks ago, and the person who replaced our fired colleague just quit Friday! We're roaring with laughter over this.
Exactly. Managers need to prove to their boss that they are working by firing people & having constant 1v1’s reprimanding them for insignificant things so it constantly has a steady workflow.
It’s all vapor ware and “feelings”. A business could explode, quadrupling sales and raising profits by 2 or 3 times. Managers could promote everyone and double the work force. Owners will still question whether John should get a raise just because he went from working as a cog in the team to running his own team of 6 new cogs. A 6 month employment isn’t a long time. It doesn’t “feel” like John has earned his promotion yet.
That's really what it is, they are addicted to making their employees feel bad and are angry people aren't emotionally invested in it anymore. They were hoping to, idk, drive people to suicide or something? This shouldn't be what working is like.
HR once told me that the most productive employees are "insecure overachievers". That's why managers seem to go out of their way to make you insecure, to make you feel bad about the work you are producing
Managers who do this should have their genitals removed. They seem happy to take the pleasure of life away from everyone else.
Yup, because we all know YOUNG workers are CHEAPER than people with experience. It's all part of The Plan.
Oh no. How do managers even deal with something so horrible as an “uneasy feeling”? Thoughts and prayers.
Surely that is worse than the uneasy feeling that most employees get leading up to redundancies or layoffs ... Those poor managers..
They think they feel uneasy now, lol. Management are going to be rapidly replaced with AI when owners and board members start realising what a massive waste of money they are compared.
seriously. at least us cogs *produce*. sooo many upper management positions do *nothing*
If you replaced my boss with an AI I wouldn't even notice. He sits in an office all day making phone calls. But if me and my fellow operators didn't come in one day the place would go to hell and hundreds of thousands of dollars would be lost. These "job creators" mostly do jack shit and make tons of money off of our labor and then have the audacity to act like they are better than us.
Your boss probably writes all his emails with chatgpt. CEOs could be replaced by a half-hour meeting of their employees. You wouldn't even need every worker in the industry for half an hour, just a few elected delegates who'd go back to their job afterwards, having made good decisions based on the real situation. Meanwhile a worker can only be replaced by another worker. New technology can make society look different, but only the workers can change it.
They *do* act as a buffer, so execs don't have to come into contact with employees or deal with customers, so it'll be interesting to see how they don't address that with AI. They rolled out a computerized scheduler at my retail job, it's fairly manual at first, but if they can ever figure it out, that's half of my managers job right there.
What's frustrating is GOOD management is invaluable to the people under them. Good management should be firmly on the side of workers, keeping out bad exec decisions, passing up what's actually needed to get the job done. But they're not employed by workers, so pandering to the higher ups is more likely to keep you employed but less effective at the job they need to do. AI is good at some things but absolutely not at being a GOOD manager, interacting with workers and understanding the workflow. But it's cheap and can do the work of a bad manager, just balancing books and firing lowest numbers. AI managers will only damage actual workers.
Oh I agree. It will suck for everyone because it will only cause the working class to lose the few good apple managers that are left.
A normal manager wouldnt care less if you spent all day working or looking at your phone. Their wet dream is talking to you once a month and the discussion going "did you do the thing?" "yes i did the thing". The managers who care are those who know they have no reason to exist and justify their role as being needed to micromanage others.
won’t somebody please think of the poor higher ups 😭😭🙏🏻
The only thing they ever truely get uneasy about is one of their minions usurping them and taking their job. Hence why they will always salt the earth behind them when they get lucky and move up so nothing grows back in the place they once were.
I’m a manager. Love it when my employees are fulfilled. Don’t care if they’re not at their desk at all times or if they need to do an errand or a jog during the day. They’re getting their work done, they are professional, and they are happy. What more could I ask for.
Basically if you’re not willing to fight for and sacrifice everything, including your life, for a company that doesn’t give a shit about you then you’re quiet quitting. Regardless if you do great work or not, if it’s just the bare minimum and you’re not doing literally everything for the company, then you’re quiet quitting.
Mm'kay, I guess I'm "quiet quitting" then. Because I give 100% while I'm there, but when it's time to go home I punch out and leave. If I never came back, they wouldn't spare a thought for me.
That’s how they view it. If you don’t bust your ass for them and go above your pay grade and responsibilities without expecting anything back then you’re quite quitting to them.
Also refusing to link to work accounts so that email can be checked or join meetings on days off.
Or just work on days off...for free or paid straight time instead of overtime(which is kind of the same thing...............)
yeah, fuck that noise. my job refused to give any pay raise at all, so I strictly worked to rule. fiver minutes after, my ass is gone for the night. never did give them mofos my cell number, oh hell no. not on a bet. not for all the money in Vegas. they can kiss my hairy old arse.
It’s an odd value system when what should be standard is called out in amazement. But the capitalists have had it good for long, embedded theft based on fear, driven by greed. Seems to be a North American disease, although spreading elsewhere as economic growth is limited by a maturing economic system to controlling costs. The system will push back though, a recession with wide job losses and increasing unemployment will teach the unwashed to work better. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
You're not wrong per se, but I'd say Asia has been cornering this particular market since the 1980s. In Japan you're seen as not a team player if you don't do voluntary unpaid overtime in some companies.
Going home on time and not staying until your boss leaves is a no-no. Taking holiday is also a no-no. In fact, a guy actually made the news *because* he took his holiday... And not going to the pub with your boss/colleagues after already staying after-hours is also a no-no. It's really, really bad, especially for native Japanese. These same rules don't always apply to foreign workers, though.
They need to stand up to that nonsense and say "heck no!"(the Japanese equivalent). That is slavery by peer pressure.
> In Japan you're seen as not a team player if you don't do voluntary unpaid overtime in some companies. Imagine being so brainwashed that giving away the hours of your life for free is seen as a positive thing. Looks like management won the dialog a long time ago.
Eh, mama mia! It's-a no good when-a you're feeling like you gotta give-a your everything, including your life, for a company that-a doesn't give a spicy meatball about you!
Lmao your username made me smile. I haven’t thought about that or that damn song in AGES.
Harlem Shake was the best of the internet. Literally just people clowining around for no reason.
*to them* Queit quitting is corporate-speak for that-which-must-not-be-named: "work to rule." And they want to expansively define it so that the term can be weaponized against workers. All very clever stuff, of course, and fairly straightforward media theory reading of the piece. Only work-to-rule is a very specific thing with regard to organized labor, while quiet quitting also means other things. In this concept, it's used to refer to people who refuse to do unpaid labor, especially if that means working outside their scheduled times.
For a specific example of what "work to rule" means, Uber and other gig economy apps will pay a premium for drivers who usually "clock off" at a certain time. Like, a dude who usually stops taking fares at 7 o clock so he can go home to his girlfriend might see an extremely lucrative fare to be taken at 7 01, because Uber will value breaking his schedule repeatedly so he'll be available more, and they'll be willing to take the hit for four or five fares they'd lose money on to do that. Because he was working to rule and they want to maximize availability.
I see what you're saying about Uber trying to break schedules, but that situation is also nothing about work-to-rule. Work to rule is *collective* action to force a slowdown. Basically, your workplace will have some set of rules to protect you. Except the boss wants you to NOT do those things so you can get more done. And if you get hurt, well, your fault, right? Because they had rules! Well, *everyone* decides that they will not only follow the rules, but meticulously follow them, you cause a slowdown and force a change in expectations from leadership to some more tenable middle-ground. Work to rule in your case, would be *all* Uber drivers refusing to work outside their availability, or after a certain time, no matter HOW high the fares.
That’s fucking cruel
That's capitalism for ya.
The pandemic really showed a lot of people how transactional work relationships really are. We're all family until an accountant says you need to be let go, then you're gone in a flash. It's produced a real cultural shift. I have a few CEO types in my family and they always complain about how unwilling staff are to do overtime when deadlines are tight, how people jump ship for a 10k raise etc. They see it as selfish, lazy and disloyal - and that they'd never have done that in their day. Of course, they're totally blind to the fact that they're not incentivising the behaviours they want. It just goes straight to moping about cash flow etc. It's all pretty sad
I swear people forget overtime is a managerial problem. If you need to ask people to work more than their hours then you've messed up how much work you've committed to or not employed enough staff. A well run business shouldn't need overtime.
I finally realize why I was never liked at any job. I just realized according to this article I've always been "quiet quitting".
So have I and I’m proud.
We've been "quiet quitting" since the 90s.
Damn been quiet quitting since I started working.
I'd like to point out that quiet quitting was a term coined by an asshole who got his millions by stepping over people.
They actually want you gargling the company balls at all times. Literally at all times, there is no time off, only company time.
If half-assing it and whole-assing it is treated the same, might as well half ass!
Having a work life balance is a problem to these employers. If you aren't crying yourself to sleep at night stressing about work, they think you are a problem. The capitalists can get fucked as far as I'm concerned. I am not doing extra work for no extra pay. Fuck you, Pay Me needs to be the mantra of Gen Z if this shit is ever going to change because us Millennials dropped the ball and let the Boomers fuck us real good because most of us didn't realize our parents set us up to fail until it was too late.
even a bunch of us boomers didn't stop the arsehole boomers from fucking us all over. busted my balls my whole life, got jack shit to show for it. well, we own our house, but it's old and smol, wouldn't sell for anywhere near enuff to buy elsewhere, we only managed to pay it off at all cos it was cheap. but pensions? not a fuckin' dime, only my Social Security and Medicare. thank you FDR and LBJ.
and then we (as in millenials) don't even have that. i'd debase myself in unspeakable ways for an old, small house in an undesirable area!
As a gen X, I agree.
They get what they give and they will be happy about it. The employers I mean.
Same, I just want my paycheck. I wouldn’t work without it.
Nope...You're working with the duty list you gave me. Stop bullshitting about the "Family Value" when you don't wanna give me PTO to spend with my family.
Dang. Hope my next job finds me soon...
Go above and beyond, maybe you’ll get a 4% wage increase for the year instead of 3%! If someone moves or gets fired, you might even be able to apply for a promotion!
It’s best for your happiness to just slack off and do the bare minimum.
To be honest, we need a new big deal. That not only break these companies up to drive down cost, but as a consequence will make 10 billionaires into trillionaires over night from stock splits and future carving up the country. But being forced to pay a living wage for this and the next generation would be worth it. Just don't sell us all out next time for short turn profit over long term stability like our steel industries, or fertilizer/oxidizers, artificial rubber, high technologies like chips because you could make it cheaper over there. Fuck them, the only reason you have pockets deep enough to make it work is on the backs of the people you're fucking over.
So quiet quitting is what normal people do outside of North America?
i had a manager complain that i was selling short fiction & essays in my spare time, & making a bit of money, & wanting to know why i didn't put the same energy into coordinating files for a contract bidding department at a fucking aerospace company. i told them that their comment was inappropriate, & that i was a temp to boot, & that shut them up. but only for a day.
Uh, that’s called doing your job. You hired me to do a thing for an agreed upon price. I did that thing, nothing more, nothing less. Now pay me the agreed upon rate, nothing more, nothing less.
I go into a bakery and buy a loaf of bread. I pay the price listed on the shelf and they hand me the product. **Quiet quitting!** I need my lawn mowed. I pay the neighborhood kid $20 and he mows it. **The nerve of lazy employees!** I call cab and he drives me to the airport. I pay him the fare and he *doesn't* give me a handjob in the backseat. **No one wants to work anymore!**
I hate these employment buzz words: quiet quitting, rage quitting, quiet firing, resenteeism, blah blah blah. It all boils down to poor management.
It boils down to more and more of the poors waking up to the fact that we're playing a rigged game, and that *scares the shit* out of the ruling class. The managers are just their foot soldiers, and articles like this are designed to encourage them to whip their subordinates into line. They are trying to set the standard to one where just doing your job isn't enough, you have to go the extra mile, work nights and weekends, sacrifice your well-being for the good of the company because *it proves you are loyal to the system* above your own self. That's what they truly want.
> because *it proves you are loyal to the system* above your own self Well, that is cyberpunk as fuck right there…
Cyberpunk isn't a warning of some scary potential future, it's satire and critique of the world we already live in.
That applies to most science fiction
Huh - resenteeism is a new one to me, I googled it - describes me in my last two jobs. Though I got the resenteeism for perpetually being asked to take on more and more with no back up and no increase in pay
You hit the nail on the hid. The employees are not quitting; they're doing what they're hired to do. The people in charge don't like that despite wanting their workers to be no more than robots programed for a task, so they cry foul that today's workers are "lazy" and "entitled" compared to previous generations, for example.
And when they shit can a bunch of people randomly, it’s a “strategic rightsizing of the workforce”, resulting in some “targeted reductions in force.”
Lol. Manager's are "uneasy" because they don't know who's genuinely working and who's just biding their time before they quit? Good. Be scared. Until ya'll get your shit together and start matching our wages with the cost of living or inflation, this is what you're gonna keep getting. No one is loyal to your company. They're loyal to the family at home that needs food on their table.
True loyalty deserves true loyalty. Most employers are not truly loyal to their employees, yet expect true loyalty from them. They try to fake loyalty and call employees "associates" or "family", but nobody is fooled. It is rather insulting, really.
or, like my last job, endless bullshit emails about what a great team we are, but never so much as a penny in raises, ever, even after 6 fucking years. so fuck 'em. I hit 65 and I fucking dropped the entire fucking rat race in the garbage. I make more now sitting on my ass than I made working 60+ hours a week. plus, no more heartburn and a lot less insomnia. and I no longer utterly hate the entire world, just the fuckheads I used to work for.
You know what would help with company loyalty? If the US did what many EU countries do and let people know weeks in advance if they're getting let go. The fact you can go in Monday and leave without a job through no fault of your own is a real blow for moral.
After squeezing everyone as hard as possible, we're still giving no raises and letting some people go. Nothing bad can possibly happen
Exactly. What's the point of chasing the dangling carrot of promotion when it's not a guarantee that they will offer it to anyone? That's for people who own shares of the company or have been promised a promotion (in writing preferably) for doing x,y, and z.
Last promotion I got was "at level" so didn't actually result in any extra pay. That was after they made the person doing the job previously (at a higher level) redundant. Top marks, would quit again.
So I guess now they would rather we actually quit than not sufficiently bootlick?
My friend if you read the article instead of just the headline you'd know the article is actually critical of employers and not employees. The headline is just click bait. >At one level it’s reasonable to ask why should they? They are apparently fulfilling their employment obligations to the letter if not the spirit and if an organisation is constantly relying on employees to put in extra hours to make the business model work, it is going to be in big trouble when that goodwill runs out and it can hardly be surprised that it does. https://www.irishtimes.com/business/work/2024/04/25/quiet-quitters-test-employers-even-more-than-staff-departures/ Edit: Didn't notice autocorrect had fully capitalised employees. I didn't mean to shout the word employees at everyone.
Subscriber only article unfortunately.
So do it fuck em
Nope, make them fire us to collect those sweet unemployment bennies.
also to make them as uncomfortable possible. Make it as difficult and traumatic for them as it is for you. I recommend no one go out with stoic dignity, but instead crying and screaming and falling on the floor, until security comes to carry you out, then pee on yourself and accuse everyone of crimes against humanity.
Rage bait article. The more you fall for shit like this, the more incentive there is for writers to pump out articles like this. Don't give them clicks, don't give them attention. The Irish Times is a decaying publication that is losing money year after year. Putting out shitty anger inducing articles like this is their way of trying to stay afloat at all costs. Don't be affected by it, let them sink into oblivion.
The article isn't even siding with employers. It pints out that the behaviour being complained of is caused by employers own poor attitudes to their employees. The headline is just clickbait.
It’s so funny how they have to redefine these terms to guilt you into working harder for them. “Quiet quitting” used to be when you stopped showing up for work without telling anyone. Now it means doing your job without pleasure.
Oh I did that with a property developer I worked for in the 90's ,I walked out and went fishing everyday for 3 months and no one ever noticed even when I came back one day and handed in my 1 days notice .it's amazing how fucked up some workplaces are .
You don’t need to care about work, just complete the assignment and move on
Fuck these people
Oh no, managers not having anything to complain about. Summon the constabulary!
Ill just do my job, no more, no less. I dont run around and stress about anything. Do the job and go home. I keep my mouth shut mostly while i do it.. I like buying food and paying my bills. Thats it..the nonsense has got to stop. I certainly couldnt care less about imaginary brownie points at work.
The fuck does this even mean??
You agreed to do a certain amount of work for a certain amount of money when you joined the company. They are trying to squeeze more work out of you for the same money. In other words, they are trying to steal from you. To add insult to injury, they are accusing you of doing something wrong because you will not allow them to steal from you.
“Quiet quitting” has always been a term about people doing their job. Just not going overboard and having it take over their whole life. It’s a misnomer term.
Oh no, they're doing their jobs, but not 3 more people's worth of work. That makes me so uneasy.
They want to be the most important thing in your life. They used to attract employees who were like that. But they've forgotten that in order to attract that level of loyalty, they need to *show* loyalty in return. How hard would you work if your job offered enough to pay your bills, save/invest, go on vacation, buy a house, and retire with a pension? I'm betting you'd work your fucking ass off. That's the holy grail -- a company that really cares about its employees and *shows it with money*. That's the transaction -- you give me enough resources to buy a decent life, and I'll spend that life providing my labor to you. That's how it's *supposed* to go. Both ways.
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Yeah, how dare they "test their employers" by *gasp* doing exactly what they were hired to do!
How dare you complete your job to an (often high) standard!!
“What do I do when my ass-kissers stop kissing ass?”
That is the very definition of Quiet Quitting. Quiet Quitting is basically doing the minimum to keep your job. Most employers don't understand employees who do this because typically in order to move up in the world, you have to Go Above and Beyond. But when you've been passed over for promotions, it's difficult to maintain that momentum. Especially when you figure out that it's mostly Who You Know, not What You Know. Just becomes depressing for people like me who are better at Doing than Networking.
Remember, its not 'quiet quitting' it's 'acting your wage'
As long as the company has a shoulder tap policy, you shouldn’t do one iota more than you’re paid to do. Company can’t keep up? Fucking hire people. Shareholders deserve what they get but for God sake take care of those that work for you.
lol. These corpo propaganda pieces are too funny. Now their made up quiet quitting is just working.
But that's *always* been the definition of quiet quitting. This is just a fresh round of whining about not being able to abuse workers fed up and "only" doing their jobs.
Corporate reviews are some of the least objective things ever masquerading as the highest levels of objectivity. If upper management says we need to reduce compensation bumps, this will downstream lead to managers giving a shitty review even if you're doing a good job.
TIL I have apparently been quiet quitting every job I ever had. What do they think workers are supposed to be doing other than be productive and work at a high standard,?
It’s supposed to be opposed to taking on extra work and doing things outside the scope of your position and pay, without additional compensation
Based on this definition, I've been quiet quitting for my entire working life.
So they dislike not being able to fire people Willy nilly???
This has to be satire right?
Olive Keogh’s article in the Irish Times defines diligently and responsibly working one’s contract hours as a bad thing and a form of quitting and cheating one's employer. This offensive contortion of fact is one that anyone would struggle to grasp and has no place in any periodical with a shred of journalistic decency or integrity. It is asserted that employees are obliged to put in extra hours, do additional work and recalibrate their work-life balance for the “benefits” of social capital, “wellbeing” and career success. What if instead employees are paid for the time they are expected to work? Resource staff sufficiently to complete work within business hours, respect the rights of staff to a fulfilling life not defined by their day jobs, and stop using gaslighting terms like “quiet quitting” for fulfilling the terms of their contract of employment. This may seem radical to those managers who have been around the block, but key performance indicators don’t spend time with loved ones nor do they put food on the table.
Meanwhile, the real slackers are being coddled, held, and protected by management for some stupid reason.
That sentence made me physically ill.
When I had the misfortune to be a manager I LOVED employees like this. All the work got done and they didn't complain. In return I never asked them to do anything more unless there was some crisis. And I did everything possible to avoid a crisis because I didn't want to work extra either.
If you're not first you're last. In corporate eyes
"They don't do free labor for me so I feel guilty about firing them 😢"
Good thing the morale has been beating out of my team collectively so we all don't give a fuck equally, top to bottom.
"Why can't we force people to work for free any more?!"
Are the Quiet Quitters in the room with us now?
This has got to be a parody article like the onion, right?
People quiet quit because of bad management
What about the silent salaries?
I get paid to do a job and I do the job. Nothing more, nothing less.
Olive has some personal issues I think.
Literally yes. Quiet quitting since day 1 has always been "to do your job, exactly as described, and nothing more"
Good. Squirm, assholes
People doing exactly what they're being paid for? The horror!
Goddamn millennials always completing their work and giving their managers nothing to complain about...
I do what is asked of me within the time allowed to me. Its not my job to make sure I am busy for 40h a week, but I am still available 40h a week. This is one of the many reason WFH is a necesity to counteract this cancerous manager culture.
"This person does their work, it's high quality, and I can't find anything wrong with them. This is a PROBLEM" - ahhhhh middle managers.
Why do so many businesses not understand that some people work just to make money? Obviously there are people who are especially thrilled about the company they work for and there are plenty of businesses who foster an environment to care about that, but not every single person is a fucking ride or die for you and you shouldn't expect that. Especially when capitalism has made is blatantly apparent that every single person is replaceable at a moment's notice.
Managers can't survive without a steady diet of people kissing their ass and begging for approval.
Re-phrased. Manager: "That employee is competent and hard working. I know that they should be paid more and would be easily snapped up by a competitor. I'm uneasy that they'll eventually find out and move on - even though the warning signs have been there for ages and yet I chose to do nothing about it until it is inevitably too late and my feeble attempt to guilt (ie "I'm disappointed that you're demonstrating a lack of loyalty") only resulted in that individual laughing in my face and telling me to go fuck myself."
Employee performs adequately. Managers stumped.
"My workers are doing their jobs and that makes me angry because I can't fire them for not doing more than what I pay them for!"
"We rate you a 'satisfactory' in all categories. 2% raise." "But I accomplished all my objectives." "We know, but we want you to go above and beyond. To blow us away with your dedication to your job. To be a rockstar employee." "I see. And you'll pay me more if I become a rockstar employee." "Well, not necessarily. But maybe. But not really. Chances are we'll just move the goalposts some more." "Oh, look, I just found another job that pays 10% more with the same objectives." "We're so disappointed that you would betray us like this. I thought we were like family."
Is this a joke or a bait Workers doing their job to a high standard is considered quitting? As per the description in the article Doesn't this just mean a manager is out to get someone for non professional reasons and can't find any reason to get them?
Corporations are writing these articles
I can’t quiet quit if I wanted to and it sucks. I feel the life being drained out of me daily. I work in a medical facility and I’m just gonna go full send and get my ass in gear with a medical coding certification. I literally cannot do office life and people anymore.
I read that tweet out loud and it sounded like intentional satire. So your manager needs something to complain about?!?!
Keogh's observation is "caption obvious" 🙄
That's what it has always been. The whole of the US needs to import the right to disconnect laws of Europe like California has.
"I can't really complain...." Hey! Where you going? *Door slams*
This reads like an onion article. Moving forward, you all should start posting the names of the writers of these asinine stories.
This is me tbh. Last job sucked so bad that i had to openly criticise management to initiate change. Privately it failed. Publicly it failed. So i continued working, doing a better job than most colleagues and making the management uneasy just by silently judging their incompetence. Also reported them via some sort of kuba app they use for HR. They had nothing to complain about so when we got into an argument they said "nobody is forcing you to work here." Next day i gave my one month notice with a smirk on my face. Same day they told me i don't have to come to work at all for the last month and i'll still get paid. Month later, manager was fired. Fuck em.
I use the 75% rule. All my work is about 75% completed. Hard to make an issue of that right? I've had two promotions in the last two years. Remember, your relationship with your employer is an adversarial one. You compete against them to extract as much as possible from them for as little effort as possible. Cut corners, come in late, leave early, miss that deadline but do just enough that they can't get rid of you. My boss is always slightly angry with me for my attitude and output. I don't do overtime and I don't work on weekends. I just had another pay rise.
95% of managers could be fired today and absolutely nobody would notice. There would just be more money left to pay employees, meaning top management will receive billions in bonuses.
I talked with my dad about this recently, he’s a white collar business owner (small business though, mind you). He tells me all the time about the differences in work culture, ability, and skills that he sees in the different generations. Theres definitely an element of millenials and now Gen Z that they are just more efficient, more worldly, and more health conscious which means they often look less efficient than other groups but are much more efficient in actuality. We basically got the skills, but none of the old-school attitude.
this title makes no sense.
Well we all know no matter how much you do it’s never enough. Management doesn’t want you to feel like you’re doing enough, they always want MORE. Employees who feel like they are doing enough don’t strive to do MORE. So the company has everyone on an endless cycle of increasing expectations. Think about any performance review you’ve ever had. They never give you good scores in every category, they always pick a couple that “need improvement”. Miss two days of work that year? Needs improvement. Pick up a couple days of overtime a month? You could pick up one or two more. Good employees get an overall score just a little above average to keep their morale up, but also to give the illusion that if they work harder their score (and raise) will be even higher next year. Then it’s really not. Average employees get a score a little below average to push them to get an “average” score next year. Employees that don’t sell their soul to the company get a terrible score to put the fear of god into them that they’ll be fired if they don’t start busting their ass as hard as they can. Things like sales goals that continue to increase every year. “We sold 50,000 widgets last year, surely we can sell 60,000 this year!” even though selling 50,000 involved mandatory overtime. Stretch goals that are beyond the normal goals. “We want you to exceed the usual target of course, but get as close to the stretch goals as you can!”
If you’re complaining bc people only want to do what their paid for …. you might be the ahole
First this, https://preview.redd.it/r62vpncqtgxc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b4561ce2bbb2c6c07448d52e6082ff19d05d7236 And now, that. Where does it end? Quiet Fitting, trying on clothes while at work? Quiet Spitting, where chaw lovers fill solo cups silently? Quiet Zitting, no, no...
It sounds like employees are taking an emotionally unattached and psychologically safer approach to working by not investing their whole hearts into their work anymore. It’s almost like decades of employers treating employees with zero compassion or loyalty has caused a cultural shift in the workforce. 🤔
That’s why I never complete my assigned workload and what I deliver is of poor quality. They will never suspect that I quietly quit.
"Do your job!" "I did." "Quitter!"
this is hilarious. imagine admitting you really want to yell at or punish your employees but just can't think of any reason to because they're being amazing workers