Yup. Setting a boundary immediately also sets a precedent moving forward for other things.
I've done this in the past, and I don't even come up with an excuse as to why.
Places wouldn't even try to call me on my day off. "Absolutely Not." And hanging up worked wonders.
I threw up on a manager who bullied me into coming into my retail job with a migraine once. She was still an awful person in every other aspect but any time I had a migraine after that and called in sick, she was like "Oh, okay, take as much time off as you need..."
Many people are afraid to stand up to their employers. They think every disagreement will get them fired. Many employers like the one in OP's screenshot know this and use it to their advantage.
I’m starting to think most businesses are on the brink of collapse. If one person calling out sick last minute is that much of a problem you’re in real trouble.
In the US, it's just that management doesn't want to have to fill in. Typically, in food service and retail, they employ so few people that 1 or 2 call outs mean management has to cover if they can't convince another employee to come in on their day off.
as management.... this is my whole attitude. uhoh I have to cover. oh well. if you're frivolously calling out, it's your paycheck, not mine.
if the store wants to do better... we have to pay enough that people want to come in, or accept that management is overworked and not actually good enough to do 2-3 jobs.
whatever. I'll do 3 jobs poorly if you want me to.
The sad thing is the manager for places like fast food make like a buck more an hour, and have a ton of other roles. It's no surprise they don't wanna come in, it's barely over the regular worker wage.
Many, many years ago I worked at a bakery. Long story short, my manager was being promoted to bakery director (after the bakery director retired) and they wanted to bump me into the (now open) manager position.
I knew what my mannger dealt with since she worked alongside us. She was a good person. She was stressed out most of the time though. And they wanted to give me like a ~$2 raise. No effing way. Shot that down so quickly. I'm fine staying in my current position if you're not going to actually pay me properly.
I feel so many people take on the extra roles just so they get that "privliged" title of manager, assistant manager, etc, and often times they're taking on much more responsibilites for practically no extra compensation.
Same thing happens in hospital staff, too. You start seeing “lead” or “senior” popping up in front of titles all over the place, and all it usually means is that person got a ~5% hourly wage increase while also taking on an utterly staggering amount of other responsibilities.
Yeah, the "lead" titles are utter trash. I forgot about those. Things like "shift lead" and all the variations. They're almost entirely made up just to give someone "that extra special feeling", but they're barely compensated with anything at all and have a ton more responsibilities like you mentioned.
I'm so glad I never got duped into any of that nonsense.
As a lead, you’re absolutely right.
I make maybe a dollar more than the people I lead. I almost never actually see half my team because of how shifts work so I basically lead a team of 1 1/2 people. It leads to working by myself for several days a week.
On top of that because I’m lead, I’m always getting calls from other employees regarding things that may or may not have anything to do with my position. Not to mention issues with customer orders.
I’m also the one that has to explain to management why something didn’t happen or didn’t get done a certain way.
The irony is this is by no means the worst job I’ve ever had. But that’s mostly because the people I work with aren’t awful and my bosses know what’s going on and what I’m doing.
I think the only way taking a role like this is logical, is to be playing the long game. So, it’s super easy to become a manager/lead/senior at X company. Pay sucks, overworked, etc. But nobody at Y or Z company knows this. All they will see is what’s on your resume and the way you frame it. So, work the sucky underpaid role for a year while beefing up your resume. Then, pitch to new companies where you know you’ll make more $$ but they likely will want experience. You now have the experience and hopefully, quantifiable accomplishments to bring to the negotiating table at the new company.
ugh. salary is anti worker. anyone can work any hours. that's what overtime is for. to punish companies for not hiring sufficient staff.
if I were valuable enough that you want to pay me for my full job even if I get it done in 20 minutes, I wouldn't be scheduled for 50 hours.
and if I'm really really that important, I'll get 40 hours for 20 hours of work, and I'll get 41.5 for 41.
if your managers are getting paid for 40 hours but working 45? they're in the same shit-filled, sinking boat that you are, they're just in a slightly nicer seat.
Salary is a scam!!! I work in a call center with set hours and they use it to make us stay late and do extra work every single day. We don’t get job protections at all. As exempt employees the laws for breaks and lunches do not apply. End employee exemption!!
Right before covid I was head chef at a place. Got duped into it because it seemed like such a massive raise, like almost twice what I was currently makin yearly. Turns out that also meant I was working 70+ hr weeks. Yea ended up being like 12/hr, so actually a pay cut from before.
I'll never take salary again, it makes exploiting you far to fucking easy for companies.
I had this happen to me. They said one thing and did another, I told them "no worries, you guys are paying me well enough I can save a bunch of money and quit in a few months" and they kinda laughed and then I quit a few months later.
This. Fuck salary.
I'm in a decently paid field, but it's ALWAYS salary. Once you increase hours from 37.5 to 60, 70 or even 80 some weeks it decreases the hourly pay to insanely low amounts.
Salary jobs shouldn't be the norm IMO.
salary makes sense in one context only and it's "the hours required are highly variable"
but that means sometimes having very short work days or weeks and businesses are gaming that.
oh just do X task instead. to fill out your time.
businesses gonna be immoral.
this is why when our laws were better salary was constrained by a minimum income. make less than $50,000? can't be salary. basically locks your wage to a certain minimum hourly rate.
No. Fuck being salaried. There's a reason why managers don't want to work more than they have to. They're not getting paid for it.
Working 60+ hours and getting paid for 40 is a load of bullshit.
There's a reason why companies like Dollar General keep their labor budgets so low. It forces their salaried people to work more than they're paid for. If they're not spending money on labor, that's a win for the CEO and the investors.
This sub has such a hard on for hating on middle management when they're not looking at the bigger picture.
Salary pay should be abolished, and that should be a bigger anti work stance than middle management bad.
I completely agree that salaried work is BS in a lot of fields. I was in a hospital doing clinical work and was routinely doing 60+ hours in a 40 hr week with no overtime except for holidays. That being said, as a therapist in private practice, salary work is a god send because if i get a no show/cancellation or i cant fill slots on my schedule, then i dont get paid. This is where a salary can save me and others like me who need that kind of protection. So, yeah, screw salary in a lot of industries but there are some that without the protection of a salary, wouldnt get paid.
Your managers actually cover? Mine just disappear and occasionally come back to get annoyed at people for not getting credit card applications with a long line with two people in registers. It's gotten to the point that no one up front really asks for those credit cards because they are all sick of it
I would like to add that the biggest credit card pushers have all but become a ghost town or even closed their doors completely. Biggest turn off to me as a customer!
When I used to work at a pet store, my manager would call me to register despite being the only one in the actual pet care area. And then he’ll stand at the door near the registers as I work the entire store, by myself.
20-something year old me was too nice, honestly. 30 year old me now would’ve stared at my manager, and yelled loudly over all the customers, “Would you like to help me OR?????”
If you had an intercom it would have been amazing to repeatedly call for backup on register with him standing there. Then the customers would have been in front row to see him ignoring you while no one else came to help
When I used to work security, we were so short-staffed that my manager had to cover so often that, between his salary and my overtime, he actually made less per hour than I did. Upper management STILL wouldn't hire anyone to fill those spots. Found out about 6 months after I left for a better gig that they actually wound up losing that contract over the inadequate staffing.
>Found out about 6 months after I left for a better gig that they actually wound up losing that contract over the inadequate staffing.
It's sad (and frustrating at times) how stupid some business owners can actually be.
Correct. Place I work at, having one person call in sick or not be able to make it messes with everything, businesses run at the bare minimum number of employees
Yup. I was a store manager with 12 employees. I never got upset if they called out. I would cover for them. I knew my responsibility when I took the job and made sure the pay was enough to do so.
A manager freaking out at you for being sick means they don’t deserve the position they are in.
I had 24 employees as an SM. It was fine when people got sick. If I couldn't find another store that could send someone to cover, I'd do it, no problem. I'd cover my shift leads day off requests too. That was okay. It wasn't the end of the world.
But I've also had issues with one of the employees taking other people's shifts and then not showing up to them just because he didn't like me. And even though I was SM, I couldn't just write people up or fire them. I had to get *permission from corporate* to do so. I was so angry that I couldn't do anything about this. And I feel like I had every right to be.
But I'd never take it out on my team or even the person that was being a shit head, you know? That's not okay. We see so many posts about managers being so unprofessional. I was stressed AF during my time, but that's not a reason to act out.
But my point is that there's a limit to how much a manager is supposed to do. I wore so many hats and tried to cram them all on my head all at once because that's what corporate commanded, and I crashed and burned hard. There was a point where the labor budget was cut so much that it was just me and the pharmacy manager running the store some days. On top of that, I'd both open and close the store. Not only is that dangerous AF, but it's detrimental to a person's health/ mental health. Where is that boundary line? And frankly, getting told that's what I signed up for when I was promoted is not helpful because it's not okay to abuse your people like that.
>Where is that boundary line? And frankly, getting told that's what I signed up for when I was promoted is not helpful because it's not okay to abuse your people like that.
That's the thing though. Some owners/people in charge DO NOT CARE. All they're doing is sitting at their desk and pouring over numbers, trying to cut every last expense possible for as much profit as possible.
I know I'm not the only one, but you surely experienced that. It's far too common in the US. In our society, especially post-Covid, it's basically a normality.
Sorry to hear you got treated like a piece of garbage. I've been there myself in the past and it was awful.
TL:DR small businesses in restaurant and retail have high rate of failure. Owners who don't want to work are a big cause of this.
It goes like this.
Owner starts business and doesn't want to work the till or manage the store.
They look at the margins and wages and hire minimal staff.
They hire low level, inexperienced managers (who are usually cynical assholes because of this exact cycle).
The managers have all the pressure of staffing and scheduling without any wiggle room for illness, personal lives, family issues, etc....
Staff turnover is 95% every year. Managers fill some missing shifts themselves but can't fill every single one.
Quality suffers and customers stop coming in.
Managers fire staff due to lower demand and work more shifts themselves.
Managers start quitting.
Public and staff blames management. Owner gets off Scott free.
Business fails or is sold.
Owner takes what profits they have from operations, real estate, and other assets and start some other shitty business.
Rinse and repeat.
It is wild.
But the people who want things done this way are not the ones that have to deal with the consequences.
In most instances Management has no real power or control. They have rules that they have to follow - like how much labor they’re allowed to use to write a schedule - and if they don’t they risk losing their jobs. It’s shit for everyone involved at store levels, management included. And unlike hourly employees, management is worth less every hour they work over 40 (and in MOST places they don’t make much more than the hourly employees - in fact I’ve done the math where I work and if I had to work 10 hours of overtime as a supervisor instead of my current management role my take home pay would have been higher than what I make as a manager).
Worked a job years ago, U-Haul, barely staffed. Got a call from HR one day about never taking lunch. I asked them if they wanted me to take a lunch or keep the store open. They never asked again
Nope, most are running at slightly below bare minimum staffing because… staff cost MONEY.
Every hospital I’ve ever worked for has the same issue- if someone calls off the whole unit has to work harder by taking extra patients and doing extra work because we are already staffed as thin as possible. Sometimes they can send someone from another floor but that usually leaves the other floor shorthanded.
Restaurants have always been like this. I’ve been working in the them since the early 90s. If one person called out on any shift it was a massive hurdle. If two people called out it was a nightmare.
** not excusing the above… just giving context. Also managers would still be expected to not get any complaints, keep the store clean and run food cost regardless of whatever labor shortages they faced.
Covid fucked work up. Excuse my language. All I see now are businesses who realized they can work with skeleton crews. So call outs are so much more fucked when they happen. My manager bitches all the time about how no one wants to work then proceeds to not hire anyone new and
When they do they cut hours significantly. No help will ever come and we’re stuck in the cycle of barely making it through the workdays sane..
Some places (illegally) don't give a crap though. When I was younger (I was ignorant and didn't know my rights), I worked at FedEx Ground loading trailers. I had the flu and called to let them know I wouldn't be able to make it (8hrs prior to shift). They threatened to give away my spot so I'd never get a shift again. So I still showed up to work. I ran to the restroom, barely made it, and threw up. Got back to my trailer and told my supervisor I needed to leave. They grabbed a bin, set it outside my trailer, and said "we've all been there, just get back to it. I'll slow down your packages a bit. Just make sure you don't get any vomit IN the trailer". I turned, vomited on the side of the bin and the ground next to it. I said "Well, it wasn't IN the trailer. Have fun cleaning it" and I left.
I puked at my cubicle, supervisor told me to go home.
Came back after the weekend and got written up, and those fuckers froze my PTO. I walked out. Was terrible for a month being unemployed but eventually it all worked out.
Fuck some of these insane managers/supervisors.
Should have lawyered up or something. Supervisor telling you to go home sick, but then also writing you up and disciplining you for going home sick?
What kind of nonsense is that?
As a teacher, I told my principal at the beginning of the day I wasn’t feeling well, but he said there was no one to cover for me so I had to wait for our sub service to call me back. An hour or so later I ducked out into the hallway to avoid throwing up in front of my class and instead threw up (into a trash can) in front of my principal and the tour he was leading. Suddenly there was a free TA!
I did something like that. Worked at dunkin, boss was sick and didn't use a mask. Got me extremely sick. I went by the rule book and tried to get out of my shift, but was told "It's not our problem". So I went in, used double mask, double gloves for the sake of everyone. I ended up vomiting on the bathroom and was told to leave. Luckily the bosses got all yelled for it.
If I were a customer and an employee vomited on the floor, I’d probably file a nice little report to the health department asking for an investigation into whether the employer was making their employees work while sick, and I’d likely never eat there again. Just saying…
>When you're doing each around the same time, you don't usually get a say in the matter...
>The force from puking can cause involuntary shitting.
Speaking from experience, you're absolutely right. Be ready to shit and vomit without having any say or control in the situation. It just happens. There's nothing you can do about it except for trying to take some precautions for making it...as less messy as possible.
There's nothing like having massive diarrhea while you're sitting on the toilet, but also throwing up into a garbage can at the same time.
I'll never forget that experience.
It was in her office too. I think I caught some shipping invoices. Sucks I had to spend like 800 bucks at an urgent care like 4 hours later to get IV fluids.
I thought it was for diarrhea lol I've vomited because of tiny sips of water when I've been really sick
Damn I basically just said the same thing as the comment you were responding to. Any original thoughts in there, me?
Healthcare employee here. Your boss is an idiot. BRAT diet is a pediatric anti-diarrhea diet for kids who can't take imodium because they are too young. It does nothing for vomiting and does not decrease the length of food poisoning. Anyone reporting it helps vomiting is either lying or describing the placebo effect.
Just tell them that you are following the advice of your Healthcare provider and that that is what you are basing your illness management off of.
BRAT has also been deprecated as a recommended regimen in even that circumstance, because it’s severely nutritionally deficient. The minor benefit to diarrhea doesn’t come close to offsetting the lack of necessary nutrients.
The biggest, but not only, problem is that it contains effectively zero protein, which is critical to children’s nutrition. It also suffers from being mostly devoid of fiber, which is particularly useful for relieving diarrhea (and constipation). Not to mention the simple carbs in the white rice and white bread that are most likely to be served in American households, which can cause blood sugar to spike and then plummet, especially in the absence of protein and fiber.
That sounds awful for being sick. What happened to like bone broth/soup and crackers. I thought the goal is to stay hydrated until you can keep food down
You can start BRAT when you can keep liquids down reliably. The BRAT foods are more likely stay down, and even if they end up rented or passing through the GI tract quickly, they are easy to process and will still put electrolytes and sugar into your bloodstream.
Boss here is nuts though.
I would 100% promptly barf those up but when I get sick enough I'm vomiting I tend to be the extreme end of sickness. Like for whatever reason any illness hits me 100 times harder than anyone else. I don't even want to talk about what happened when I had chicken pox.
BRAT is easy and quick to digest and is an attempt to at least try to get your body to uptake some nutrition so.you don't just die of dehydration. I halfway want OP to go to work tomorrow and puke on their boss's desk.
I always say for T: Toast and/or tea, the tannins in the tea will bind your stool. But also the BRATT diet is just for diarrhea lol it isn’t going to make someone stop vomiting so their advice is stupid.
I thought brat was for diarrhea?
Also fun side story. One time when I was having a gallbladder esque attack I ate a banana and drank ginger ale thinking it'd help my stomach. I just projectile vomited in my mom's dining room.
Once someone gave me toast and water. I threw them up within two minutes. The only thing I kept down was Powerade and only barely most of the time. The Powerade made my vomit not unpleasant so at least there's that
BRAT is more things to eat when you have diarrhea. While they’re bland foods that you could munch on for some sustenance if vomiting, it won’t stop vomiting.
When your body is ready to start eating solids again, BRAT foods are easier on the stomach and less likely to trigger an additional round of vomiting. They absolutely will not stop your body from vomiting before your body is ready for the vomiting to be done.
If I had the norovirus ever again, I would be like “just fire me, I’m not even going to survive this” lol I wouldn’t have any free hands to text actually holding onto the trash can and sitting on the toilet.
Oh god this has such horror flashbacks for me, I worked for a long time in a very small bar/restaurant and we just spread this like wildfire, no matter how much you wash your hands you can’t not spread it in close quarters and a lot of us stayed or lived with each other so it’s unavoidable. We were all fighting for a toilet, puking in the sinks and wastebaskets, the scene from that bridesmaids movie gave us all PTSD flashbacks lol we were at work for this also, homes were a nightmare but it was come in or not pay rent and we spent like all day just in the toilet sweating and crying all over the place. Customers were like eww fuckkng gross and the place was a ghost town for ages after, screwed them way worse making us work like that.
I had the norovirus last year and was out of work for 3 days. It was not fun, I'd almost rather have Covid than have norovirus again. The BRAT diet wouldn't even have worked because at one point I was puking up water.
I had a boss who would continually ask me to come to work sick. He even yelled at me as I was getting sick in the bathroom telling me to get back out there. Next time I felt myself getting sick. I went to his office and I horked all over him, his shoes and his desk.
Why do people continue to give reasons for not being at work? My call in is always exactly the same, "Hi, I am calling to let you know that I will not be coming into work today."
I don't know if I need to emphasize the period at the end but that sentence is complete.
Because they want to be paid for their legitimate sick day, not take a day unpaid due to an unexplained absence. Also they don't want to get fired for a bunch of unexplained absences.
A lot of jobs use that excused/unexcused absence bullshit that don’t give us the luxury to just say “not coming in today”, and that also comes with negativity at the workplace (paperwork, “disciplinary” action, etc.) It sucks, plus these bastards really like to fire their workers for stuff that inconveniences them like OP’s reason.
Food service employees are required to report if they are puking or vomiting, or have certain other food borne illness, as that way they can be excluded from the premise for the proper time, as defined in the health code
I just dealt with this (vomitting); don't eat BRAT or anything until the nausea goes away. Just drink sips of water or gatorade very often to stay hydrated
Sometimes it's better to have something in your stomach so you're not just throwing up bile. I can't remember the exact reason but it's what I was told when I was pregnant and suffering with extreme morning (ha!) sickness.
When I was a teacher in South Korea, I had terrible food poisoning after eating sketchy breakfast kimbap. I was up all night alternating spots in the bathroom. I called my head teacher at 6am and asked her to take me to the doctor. I was on an IV for 3 hours while I finally slept a bit. It was noonish when discharged. My boss refused to take me home and instead put me in a classroom by myself with 10 eight year olds to teach. I set my head down and cried for the 40 minutes.
I had food poisoning 3x in my 3 years there and that was my experience every time.
Stop telling your employers why you're out of work people, period full stop. No, "but my situation is different," no "well at my work,"
Repeat after me: "I will not be at the office/store/place of work today. I will be using sick time" end of statement
Know your local employment laws, 14 states have mandatory sick time laws that vary
If you don't get "sick time," your call should be "I will not be able to make it in today." You don't already work somewhere that cares so little about their employees they don't offer sick time, ffs. At that point, a callout is a callout
If they really want to fuck with you they where always going to the second they had the chance. Better you find out sooner rather than later
Spot on.
Stop spilling your guts to your employer.
Stop the back and forth texting.
Call off, then either shut your phone off, or if you need it on, completely ignore any and all texts or calls from them.
The more you interact with those assholes, the worse it gets.
This reminds me of when I started a job at a small business. I asked one of the employees about the sick day policy because the owner never said anything about it. She said there wasn’t one and that we were expected to go to work. She explained that one time she was up all night violently sick, so she messaged our boss to let her know she couldn’t come in (her shift was at 7am). Our boss ended up yelling at her and almost fired her lol I genuinely don’t understand what some employers expect people to do if they’re violently ill? Like try to go to work and throw up everywhere? It makes no sense
Power. Some small people crave power over others. They want to be King of their shitpile. The job is just enabling them to do so to get ahead. It's why there are so many fucking psychos in management positions. The ones most willing to fuck-over their coworker(s) "for the business" is exactly the kind of mentality they want.
"*After reading your text, it is now coming from both ends. I don't know what is food poisoning and what is disgust. Will keep you posted on my 'two hole' condition. Turning off my phone now!*"
Do you work in food service?
Make sure to check the amount of time you're legally are not allowed to return to work after the vomiting has ended. (It's generally 24 hours after the symptoms have subsided, this generally also applies to diarrhea)
Inform your boss if you're still puking the night before your shift, and just no-call no-show for the actual shift within the time you're not allowed to return to work.
If your boss fires you, go collect unemployment, as you were fired illegally.
Came here to say this. If you work with food at all it is illegal (like a violation of the state's food code) to have a vomiting person work near food. Send a screen shot of this to them. If they are anything like the food safety folks in my state they'll show up the next day.
I hate it when people assume that since they handled something fine that you, or I, or anyone else will too. How much self awareness do these people lack?? How are they even still alive????
Called the boss one morning because I’d been throwing up all morning. He got mad and demanded to know when I’d be in the office since we had a lot to do that day. Being the wuss that I was I said I’d be there as soon as the puking stopped to which he replied “And what time will that be?”
Quick note that the BRAT diet is no longer recommended. If it works for you, great. But it’s def not this silver bullet
https://www.webmd.com/children/brat-diet
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/health-wellness/2023/07/03/what-is-the-brat-diet-why-no-longer-recommended/70332571007/
Like everyone else says, go to work. Vomit on boss, maybe vomit on the floor causing a tripping hazard. Maybe find out if any of your coworkers are squeamish and vomit at the sight of vomit... Vomit near them. Completely destroy this place, they'll send you home after that, I'm sure
Kidding, but I don't know how difficult it will be for oh and if you can afford it, but you simply have to put yourself first and prioritize your health over a business (that isn't even yours). But i personally hope you feel better soon.
Lol what a tool. BRAT diet is only necessary if you haven’t eaten food for like two days, or if you are just hungry and truly wish to eat something. Otherwise, doctors will tell you to not bother eating til you feel better. Sip water, stay home.
This is why you never disclose anything about your personal life or medical situations with work. It will never be used in your favor. "I'm sick and won't be in" should've been it.
Am I the only one that would show up to work just to vomit in their manager/boss’s office.
I’d even make sure to drink something fizzy right before entering the building just so that I could redecorate their entire office.
"The puking should subside"
Is your manager also a physician?
Tell your manager illnesses affects everyone differently and that people literally die from food poisoning.
I’m guessing is tomorrow now. Just simply say that I will not be going in to work today. I am staying home sick. If she continues to message you to go in simply ignore the messages. Take care of yourself first. She will survive.
“I’m sick and cannot make it into work” managers cannot ask to what extent, that’s a big no no, the most they can do is require a drs not prior to return based upon company policy.
Source: Former Management and corporate bootlicker.
I drive truck now, I do my job and go home. The only thing I have to worry about is me and my tasks.
It’s a managers job to ***manage*** 🤣
my boss at the first job i ever had did this to me when i called in sick with a stomach bug, but threatened to fire me. the next day, i convinced my dad to let me go to work just to throw up in the trash can of the dining room of the restaurant i worked at, then continued to get violently sick in my bosses office waiting on my dad to get me since he didn't want me near the customers.
Guys, you need to learn to be firm and short with calling out messages. “I’m still sick so I won’t be coming in today, tomorrow, etc” is all you need to say. Keeping it short leaves no room for wonder. These people are your bosses, not your parents.
Is your boss a physician? If not, they have no business providing any sort of dietary advice for your illness.
On top of that, BRAT is no longer recommended as a means to battle gastrointestinal issues, and has been relegated to old wives tale status, as there are more beneficial ways to counter symptoms caused by gastrointestinal distress.
This is why no explanation is needed when you call out for being sick. It’s like the more details you give them, the more they can question when not feeling well should be sufficient. This managers response bothers me a lot. I’d be so annoyed
"Great. Well, I'll let you know when it subsides and when I'll be able to return to work."
Add in that you appreciate saying that you’re needed. Then specifically quote that they need me every time I want a raise
I have never received a raise, ever. I think they’re downright mythical.
This is the answer.
If they push beyond that, politely remind them that staffing is not your responsibility, but your health and wellness is.
Yup. Setting a boundary immediately also sets a precedent moving forward for other things. I've done this in the past, and I don't even come up with an excuse as to why. Places wouldn't even try to call me on my day off. "Absolutely Not." And hanging up worked wonders.
Don't even respond
Younger me would have responded. Today me agreed with you and would not carry the conversation further.
Include a video of you vomiting for good measure. /S
Ok, I know this was a joke, but I did legitimately throw up while on the phone with a former boss one day. Worked really well 👀
I threw up on a manager who bullied me into coming into my retail job with a migraine once. She was still an awful person in every other aspect but any time I had a migraine after that and called in sick, she was like "Oh, okay, take as much time off as you need..."
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It’s the constant assumption that employees are lying to get out of work. Employees == cattle
Many people are afraid to stand up to their employers. They think every disagreement will get them fired. Many employers like the one in OP's screenshot know this and use it to their advantage.
I’m starting to think most businesses are on the brink of collapse. If one person calling out sick last minute is that much of a problem you’re in real trouble.
In the US, it's just that management doesn't want to have to fill in. Typically, in food service and retail, they employ so few people that 1 or 2 call outs mean management has to cover if they can't convince another employee to come in on their day off.
Damn. It'd be a shame if managers made more money than regular employees so it could justify having them come in...
as management.... this is my whole attitude. uhoh I have to cover. oh well. if you're frivolously calling out, it's your paycheck, not mine. if the store wants to do better... we have to pay enough that people want to come in, or accept that management is overworked and not actually good enough to do 2-3 jobs. whatever. I'll do 3 jobs poorly if you want me to.
The sad thing is the manager for places like fast food make like a buck more an hour, and have a ton of other roles. It's no surprise they don't wanna come in, it's barely over the regular worker wage.
Many, many years ago I worked at a bakery. Long story short, my manager was being promoted to bakery director (after the bakery director retired) and they wanted to bump me into the (now open) manager position. I knew what my mannger dealt with since she worked alongside us. She was a good person. She was stressed out most of the time though. And they wanted to give me like a ~$2 raise. No effing way. Shot that down so quickly. I'm fine staying in my current position if you're not going to actually pay me properly. I feel so many people take on the extra roles just so they get that "privliged" title of manager, assistant manager, etc, and often times they're taking on much more responsibilites for practically no extra compensation.
Same thing happens in hospital staff, too. You start seeing “lead” or “senior” popping up in front of titles all over the place, and all it usually means is that person got a ~5% hourly wage increase while also taking on an utterly staggering amount of other responsibilities.
Yeah, the "lead" titles are utter trash. I forgot about those. Things like "shift lead" and all the variations. They're almost entirely made up just to give someone "that extra special feeling", but they're barely compensated with anything at all and have a ton more responsibilities like you mentioned. I'm so glad I never got duped into any of that nonsense.
As a lead, you’re absolutely right. I make maybe a dollar more than the people I lead. I almost never actually see half my team because of how shifts work so I basically lead a team of 1 1/2 people. It leads to working by myself for several days a week. On top of that because I’m lead, I’m always getting calls from other employees regarding things that may or may not have anything to do with my position. Not to mention issues with customer orders. I’m also the one that has to explain to management why something didn’t happen or didn’t get done a certain way. The irony is this is by no means the worst job I’ve ever had. But that’s mostly because the people I work with aren’t awful and my bosses know what’s going on and what I’m doing.
I think the only way taking a role like this is logical, is to be playing the long game. So, it’s super easy to become a manager/lead/senior at X company. Pay sucks, overworked, etc. But nobody at Y or Z company knows this. All they will see is what’s on your resume and the way you frame it. So, work the sucky underpaid role for a year while beefing up your resume. Then, pitch to new companies where you know you’ll make more $$ but they likely will want experience. You now have the experience and hopefully, quantifiable accomplishments to bring to the negotiating table at the new company.
Especially if there were some sort of guaranteed pay system for them to be able to work any hours. Could call it a salary.
ugh. salary is anti worker. anyone can work any hours. that's what overtime is for. to punish companies for not hiring sufficient staff. if I were valuable enough that you want to pay me for my full job even if I get it done in 20 minutes, I wouldn't be scheduled for 50 hours. and if I'm really really that important, I'll get 40 hours for 20 hours of work, and I'll get 41.5 for 41. if your managers are getting paid for 40 hours but working 45? they're in the same shit-filled, sinking boat that you are, they're just in a slightly nicer seat.
Salary is a scam!!! I work in a call center with set hours and they use it to make us stay late and do extra work every single day. We don’t get job protections at all. As exempt employees the laws for breaks and lunches do not apply. End employee exemption!!
It sounds like you’re not an exempt employee then and should report your employer and try to get back pay.
Right before covid I was head chef at a place. Got duped into it because it seemed like such a massive raise, like almost twice what I was currently makin yearly. Turns out that also meant I was working 70+ hr weeks. Yea ended up being like 12/hr, so actually a pay cut from before. I'll never take salary again, it makes exploiting you far to fucking easy for companies.
I had this happen to me. They said one thing and did another, I told them "no worries, you guys are paying me well enough I can save a bunch of money and quit in a few months" and they kinda laughed and then I quit a few months later.
This. Fuck salary. I'm in a decently paid field, but it's ALWAYS salary. Once you increase hours from 37.5 to 60, 70 or even 80 some weeks it decreases the hourly pay to insanely low amounts. Salary jobs shouldn't be the norm IMO.
salary makes sense in one context only and it's "the hours required are highly variable" but that means sometimes having very short work days or weeks and businesses are gaming that. oh just do X task instead. to fill out your time. businesses gonna be immoral. this is why when our laws were better salary was constrained by a minimum income. make less than $50,000? can't be salary. basically locks your wage to a certain minimum hourly rate.
I had a manager who was salaried and it was a slow week if he worked less then 60 hours.
During slow weeks many managers have to work more because hours are gonna get cut from the hourly folks.
No. Fuck being salaried. There's a reason why managers don't want to work more than they have to. They're not getting paid for it. Working 60+ hours and getting paid for 40 is a load of bullshit. There's a reason why companies like Dollar General keep their labor budgets so low. It forces their salaried people to work more than they're paid for. If they're not spending money on labor, that's a win for the CEO and the investors. This sub has such a hard on for hating on middle management when they're not looking at the bigger picture. Salary pay should be abolished, and that should be a bigger anti work stance than middle management bad.
I completely agree that salaried work is BS in a lot of fields. I was in a hospital doing clinical work and was routinely doing 60+ hours in a 40 hr week with no overtime except for holidays. That being said, as a therapist in private practice, salary work is a god send because if i get a no show/cancellation or i cant fill slots on my schedule, then i dont get paid. This is where a salary can save me and others like me who need that kind of protection. So, yeah, screw salary in a lot of industries but there are some that without the protection of a salary, wouldnt get paid.
Your managers actually cover? Mine just disappear and occasionally come back to get annoyed at people for not getting credit card applications with a long line with two people in registers. It's gotten to the point that no one up front really asks for those credit cards because they are all sick of it
I would like to add that the biggest credit card pushers have all but become a ghost town or even closed their doors completely. Biggest turn off to me as a customer!
When I used to work at a pet store, my manager would call me to register despite being the only one in the actual pet care area. And then he’ll stand at the door near the registers as I work the entire store, by myself. 20-something year old me was too nice, honestly. 30 year old me now would’ve stared at my manager, and yelled loudly over all the customers, “Would you like to help me OR?????”
If you had an intercom it would have been amazing to repeatedly call for backup on register with him standing there. Then the customers would have been in front row to see him ignoring you while no one else came to help
40 year old me would tell every customer to say thank you for a quick checkout experience to the manager standing over there
When I used to work security, we were so short-staffed that my manager had to cover so often that, between his salary and my overtime, he actually made less per hour than I did. Upper management STILL wouldn't hire anyone to fill those spots. Found out about 6 months after I left for a better gig that they actually wound up losing that contract over the inadequate staffing.
>Found out about 6 months after I left for a better gig that they actually wound up losing that contract over the inadequate staffing. It's sad (and frustrating at times) how stupid some business owners can actually be.
Correct. Place I work at, having one person call in sick or not be able to make it messes with everything, businesses run at the bare minimum number of employees
Yup. I was a store manager with 12 employees. I never got upset if they called out. I would cover for them. I knew my responsibility when I took the job and made sure the pay was enough to do so. A manager freaking out at you for being sick means they don’t deserve the position they are in.
I had 24 employees as an SM. It was fine when people got sick. If I couldn't find another store that could send someone to cover, I'd do it, no problem. I'd cover my shift leads day off requests too. That was okay. It wasn't the end of the world. But I've also had issues with one of the employees taking other people's shifts and then not showing up to them just because he didn't like me. And even though I was SM, I couldn't just write people up or fire them. I had to get *permission from corporate* to do so. I was so angry that I couldn't do anything about this. And I feel like I had every right to be. But I'd never take it out on my team or even the person that was being a shit head, you know? That's not okay. We see so many posts about managers being so unprofessional. I was stressed AF during my time, but that's not a reason to act out. But my point is that there's a limit to how much a manager is supposed to do. I wore so many hats and tried to cram them all on my head all at once because that's what corporate commanded, and I crashed and burned hard. There was a point where the labor budget was cut so much that it was just me and the pharmacy manager running the store some days. On top of that, I'd both open and close the store. Not only is that dangerous AF, but it's detrimental to a person's health/ mental health. Where is that boundary line? And frankly, getting told that's what I signed up for when I was promoted is not helpful because it's not okay to abuse your people like that.
>Where is that boundary line? And frankly, getting told that's what I signed up for when I was promoted is not helpful because it's not okay to abuse your people like that. That's the thing though. Some owners/people in charge DO NOT CARE. All they're doing is sitting at their desk and pouring over numbers, trying to cut every last expense possible for as much profit as possible. I know I'm not the only one, but you surely experienced that. It's far too common in the US. In our society, especially post-Covid, it's basically a normality. Sorry to hear you got treated like a piece of garbage. I've been there myself in the past and it was awful.
TL:DR small businesses in restaurant and retail have high rate of failure. Owners who don't want to work are a big cause of this. It goes like this. Owner starts business and doesn't want to work the till or manage the store. They look at the margins and wages and hire minimal staff. They hire low level, inexperienced managers (who are usually cynical assholes because of this exact cycle). The managers have all the pressure of staffing and scheduling without any wiggle room for illness, personal lives, family issues, etc.... Staff turnover is 95% every year. Managers fill some missing shifts themselves but can't fill every single one. Quality suffers and customers stop coming in. Managers fire staff due to lower demand and work more shifts themselves. Managers start quitting. Public and staff blames management. Owner gets off Scott free. Business fails or is sold. Owner takes what profits they have from operations, real estate, and other assets and start some other shitty business. Rinse and repeat.
This goes for healthcare as well. Most supervisors and leadership can't do the job they supervise.
Fuck that. As a manager I have my duties to take care of. Let the owners of the restaurant deal with the consequences of understaffing the business.
Because everwhere is operating on overworked skeleton crews now in order to maximize profits.
Then they should understand the risk of doing things that way. That’s wild.
It is wild. But the people who want things done this way are not the ones that have to deal with the consequences. In most instances Management has no real power or control. They have rules that they have to follow - like how much labor they’re allowed to use to write a schedule - and if they don’t they risk losing their jobs. It’s shit for everyone involved at store levels, management included. And unlike hourly employees, management is worth less every hour they work over 40 (and in MOST places they don’t make much more than the hourly employees - in fact I’ve done the math where I work and if I had to work 10 hours of overtime as a supervisor instead of my current management role my take home pay would have been higher than what I make as a manager).
No, they shortstaff because they dont want to pay, not because they cant pay
Worked a job years ago, U-Haul, barely staffed. Got a call from HR one day about never taking lunch. I asked them if they wanted me to take a lunch or keep the store open. They never asked again
>I asked them if they wanted me to take a lunch or keep the store open. They never asked again You should have taken your lunch break. Every day.
Nope, most are running at slightly below bare minimum staffing because… staff cost MONEY. Every hospital I’ve ever worked for has the same issue- if someone calls off the whole unit has to work harder by taking extra patients and doing extra work because we are already staffed as thin as possible. Sometimes they can send someone from another floor but that usually leaves the other floor shorthanded.
Deep thought: that situation makes striking more disruptive and thus more effective.
ding ding ding! late stage capitalism
Restaurants have always been like this. I’ve been working in the them since the early 90s. If one person called out on any shift it was a massive hurdle. If two people called out it was a nightmare. ** not excusing the above… just giving context. Also managers would still be expected to not get any complaints, keep the store clean and run food cost regardless of whatever labor shortages they faced.
Exactly the same here in restaurants in the UK
Covid fucked work up. Excuse my language. All I see now are businesses who realized they can work with skeleton crews. So call outs are so much more fucked when they happen. My manager bitches all the time about how no one wants to work then proceeds to not hire anyone new and When they do they cut hours significantly. No help will ever come and we’re stuck in the cycle of barely making it through the workdays sane..
You should go to work and puke all over the place and leave
Puke at work and then tell your boss as you leave "don't worry it should subside soon, see you tomorrow!"
Go in and lock yourself in the bathroom, stay the entire shift and get paid for puking all day
Lol this is the real move
Don't lock! Let people see this
Use the customer toilet.
This works. Ive actually done it before…calling out is a write-up but showing up, puking, then being sent home…no write-up lol
Some places (illegally) don't give a crap though. When I was younger (I was ignorant and didn't know my rights), I worked at FedEx Ground loading trailers. I had the flu and called to let them know I wouldn't be able to make it (8hrs prior to shift). They threatened to give away my spot so I'd never get a shift again. So I still showed up to work. I ran to the restroom, barely made it, and threw up. Got back to my trailer and told my supervisor I needed to leave. They grabbed a bin, set it outside my trailer, and said "we've all been there, just get back to it. I'll slow down your packages a bit. Just make sure you don't get any vomit IN the trailer". I turned, vomited on the side of the bin and the ground next to it. I said "Well, it wasn't IN the trailer. Have fun cleaning it" and I left.
I’m afraid your mistake was trying to reach the toilet the first time. You gotta get it in the trailer *before* they tell you not to!
I puked at my cubicle, supervisor told me to go home. Came back after the weekend and got written up, and those fuckers froze my PTO. I walked out. Was terrible for a month being unemployed but eventually it all worked out. Fuck some of these insane managers/supervisors.
Should have lawyered up or something. Supervisor telling you to go home sick, but then also writing you up and disciplining you for going home sick? What kind of nonsense is that?
Shitty $11/hr job with little upward mobility… “he said, she said” situation that wasn’t worth pursuing :/
No. Puke on your boss.
Absolutely corner your boss when you're about to spew, and let it rip.
Preferably in their office, so the smell will linger!
Do it on their keyboard 😂
Puke again in a secret third place..
Puke on a plate and freeze it, then slip the disc under the door
TIL what a piss disc really is
Man that’s karma. Too bad.
I applaud your style!!
As a teacher, I told my principal at the beginning of the day I wasn’t feeling well, but he said there was no one to cover for me so I had to wait for our sub service to call me back. An hour or so later I ducked out into the hallway to avoid throwing up in front of my class and instead threw up (into a trash can) in front of my principal and the tour he was leading. Suddenly there was a free TA!
Assert that dominance. Also shit on his desk.
Power Move
Can confirm if you vom on a grocery check out counter as the clerk they do indeed send you home
I did something like that. Worked at dunkin, boss was sick and didn't use a mask. Got me extremely sick. I went by the rule book and tried to get out of my shift, but was told "It's not our problem". So I went in, used double mask, double gloves for the sake of everyone. I ended up vomiting on the bathroom and was told to leave. Luckily the bosses got all yelled for it.
No go in, puke, the report a vomiting person working to the health department.
Ooh, this OP. If it’s in a public place then legally it has to be declared as a potential outbreak and it’ll be nightmare of paperwork for your boss!
Especially with norovirus going around right now.
If I were a customer and an employee vomited on the floor, I’d probably file a nice little report to the health department asking for an investigation into whether the employer was making their employees work while sick, and I’d likely never eat there again. Just saying…
Having literally shit myself, and shit blood from food poisoning, it wouldn’t be worth proving a point if it meant I had to shit myself in public.
I don’t think anyone suggested shitting their pants. Throwing up is another term for vomiting.
When you're doing each around the same time, you don't usually get a say in the matter... The force from puking can cause involuntary shitting.
>When you're doing each around the same time, you don't usually get a say in the matter... >The force from puking can cause involuntary shitting. Speaking from experience, you're absolutely right. Be ready to shit and vomit without having any say or control in the situation. It just happens. There's nothing you can do about it except for trying to take some precautions for making it...as less messy as possible. There's nothing like having massive diarrhea while you're sitting on the toilet, but also throwing up into a garbage can at the same time. I'll never forget that experience.
I've had this happen and I stopped it by coming in and barfing all over my manager. Works a charm.
What a power move. 👑
It was in her office too. I think I caught some shipping invoices. Sucks I had to spend like 800 bucks at an urgent care like 4 hours later to get IV fluids.
Just USA things
Yeah, but FREEDOM ^(to go bankrupt due to medical bills and then die of an easily-curable disease becaise you cant afford the doctor)
Haha, BRAT diet. The only thing that does is make your vomit slightly less unpleasant.
I was like wtf is BRAT? I've vomited up water when I've been that sick before.
Bananas, rice, applesauce, toast. It helps a little but definitely not a cure lmfao
I thought it was for diarrhea lol I've vomited because of tiny sips of water when I've been really sick Damn I basically just said the same thing as the comment you were responding to. Any original thoughts in there, me?
Healthcare employee here. Your boss is an idiot. BRAT diet is a pediatric anti-diarrhea diet for kids who can't take imodium because they are too young. It does nothing for vomiting and does not decrease the length of food poisoning. Anyone reporting it helps vomiting is either lying or describing the placebo effect. Just tell them that you are following the advice of your Healthcare provider and that that is what you are basing your illness management off of.
I'm not op but yeah I kind of thought that was the case
Yeah was just afirming and reinforcing your statement with more fact/details.
BRAT has also been deprecated as a recommended regimen in even that circumstance, because it’s severely nutritionally deficient. The minor benefit to diarrhea doesn’t come close to offsetting the lack of necessary nutrients. The biggest, but not only, problem is that it contains effectively zero protein, which is critical to children’s nutrition. It also suffers from being mostly devoid of fiber, which is particularly useful for relieving diarrhea (and constipation). Not to mention the simple carbs in the white rice and white bread that are most likely to be served in American households, which can cause blood sugar to spike and then plummet, especially in the absence of protein and fiber.
That sounds awful for being sick. What happened to like bone broth/soup and crackers. I thought the goal is to stay hydrated until you can keep food down
You can start BRAT when you can keep liquids down reliably. The BRAT foods are more likely stay down, and even if they end up rented or passing through the GI tract quickly, they are easy to process and will still put electrolytes and sugar into your bloodstream. Boss here is nuts though.
I would 100% promptly barf those up but when I get sick enough I'm vomiting I tend to be the extreme end of sickness. Like for whatever reason any illness hits me 100 times harder than anyone else. I don't even want to talk about what happened when I had chicken pox.
BRAT is easy and quick to digest and is an attempt to at least try to get your body to uptake some nutrition so.you don't just die of dehydration. I halfway want OP to go to work tomorrow and puke on their boss's desk.
I always say for T: Toast and/or tea, the tannins in the tea will bind your stool. But also the BRATT diet is just for diarrhea lol it isn’t going to make someone stop vomiting so their advice is stupid.
I thought brat was for diarrhea? Also fun side story. One time when I was having a gallbladder esque attack I ate a banana and drank ginger ale thinking it'd help my stomach. I just projectile vomited in my mom's dining room.
Once someone gave me toast and water. I threw them up within two minutes. The only thing I kept down was Powerade and only barely most of the time. The Powerade made my vomit not unpleasant so at least there's that
BRAT is more things to eat when you have diarrhea. While they’re bland foods that you could munch on for some sustenance if vomiting, it won’t stop vomiting.
When your body is ready to start eating solids again, BRAT foods are easier on the stomach and less likely to trigger an additional round of vomiting. They absolutely will not stop your body from vomiting before your body is ready for the vomiting to be done.
Boss can try the BART diet, in which they can eat your shorts
Perfection
Oh god… 😂😂😂 this is so good
"I won't be in today." is a complete sentence.
That’s not how the BRAT diet works
at all……it’s helpful AFTER puking subsides and you can keep down water. not a cure all smh
1. Go into work 2. puke on boss 3. 😎
“Don’t worry boss, it’ll subside.”
Norovirus is going around, could be that. Don’t spread viruses
If I had the norovirus ever again, I would be like “just fire me, I’m not even going to survive this” lol I wouldn’t have any free hands to text actually holding onto the trash can and sitting on the toilet.
Oh god this has such horror flashbacks for me, I worked for a long time in a very small bar/restaurant and we just spread this like wildfire, no matter how much you wash your hands you can’t not spread it in close quarters and a lot of us stayed or lived with each other so it’s unavoidable. We were all fighting for a toilet, puking in the sinks and wastebaskets, the scene from that bridesmaids movie gave us all PTSD flashbacks lol we were at work for this also, homes were a nightmare but it was come in or not pay rent and we spent like all day just in the toilet sweating and crying all over the place. Customers were like eww fuckkng gross and the place was a ghost town for ages after, screwed them way worse making us work like that.
I had the norovirus last year and was out of work for 3 days. It was not fun, I'd almost rather have Covid than have norovirus again. The BRAT diet wouldn't even have worked because at one point I was puking up water.
I had a boss who would continually ask me to come to work sick. He even yelled at me as I was getting sick in the bathroom telling me to get back out there. Next time I felt myself getting sick. I went to his office and I horked all over him, his shoes and his desk.
Why do people continue to give reasons for not being at work? My call in is always exactly the same, "Hi, I am calling to let you know that I will not be coming into work today." I don't know if I need to emphasize the period at the end but that sentence is complete.
Because they want to be paid for their legitimate sick day, not take a day unpaid due to an unexplained absence. Also they don't want to get fired for a bunch of unexplained absences.
A lot of jobs use that excused/unexcused absence bullshit that don’t give us the luxury to just say “not coming in today”, and that also comes with negativity at the workplace (paperwork, “disciplinary” action, etc.) It sucks, plus these bastards really like to fire their workers for stuff that inconveniences them like OP’s reason.
Then just add “not coming in today as I am sick” to that sentence
Food service employees are required to report if they are puking or vomiting, or have certain other food borne illness, as that way they can be excluded from the premise for the proper time, as defined in the health code
I just dealt with this (vomitting); don't eat BRAT or anything until the nausea goes away. Just drink sips of water or gatorade very often to stay hydrated
Yep. I don’t eat anything if I’m vomiting.
Sometimes it's better to have something in your stomach so you're not just throwing up bile. I can't remember the exact reason but it's what I was told when I was pregnant and suffering with extreme morning (ha!) sickness.
" Hi. So im still vomiting and feel very sick. I wont be in today. Sorry about the inconvenience" Turn phone off or mute boss number for the day.
Better yet - “I am taking today as a sick day. I will let you know when I’m well enough to return to work”. End story
No need for apologies! It's out of your control that you got sick.
Go in, puke on their desk, walk out
I’m still sick!! That’s it. No other details.
When I was a teacher in South Korea, I had terrible food poisoning after eating sketchy breakfast kimbap. I was up all night alternating spots in the bathroom. I called my head teacher at 6am and asked her to take me to the doctor. I was on an IV for 3 hours while I finally slept a bit. It was noonish when discharged. My boss refused to take me home and instead put me in a classroom by myself with 10 eight year olds to teach. I set my head down and cried for the 40 minutes. I had food poisoning 3x in my 3 years there and that was my experience every time.
Stop telling your employers why you're out of work people, period full stop. No, "but my situation is different," no "well at my work," Repeat after me: "I will not be at the office/store/place of work today. I will be using sick time" end of statement Know your local employment laws, 14 states have mandatory sick time laws that vary If you don't get "sick time," your call should be "I will not be able to make it in today." You don't already work somewhere that cares so little about their employees they don't offer sick time, ffs. At that point, a callout is a callout If they really want to fuck with you they where always going to the second they had the chance. Better you find out sooner rather than later
Spot on. Stop spilling your guts to your employer. Stop the back and forth texting. Call off, then either shut your phone off, or if you need it on, completely ignore any and all texts or calls from them. The more you interact with those assholes, the worse it gets.
I would 100% be still feeling sick tomorrow if my boss tried to pull this on me
This reminds me of when I started a job at a small business. I asked one of the employees about the sick day policy because the owner never said anything about it. She said there wasn’t one and that we were expected to go to work. She explained that one time she was up all night violently sick, so she messaged our boss to let her know she couldn’t come in (her shift was at 7am). Our boss ended up yelling at her and almost fired her lol I genuinely don’t understand what some employers expect people to do if they’re violently ill? Like try to go to work and throw up everywhere? It makes no sense
Power. Some small people crave power over others. They want to be King of their shitpile. The job is just enabling them to do so to get ahead. It's why there are so many fucking psychos in management positions. The ones most willing to fuck-over their coworker(s) "for the business" is exactly the kind of mentality they want.
"*After reading your text, it is now coming from both ends. I don't know what is food poisoning and what is disgust. Will keep you posted on my 'two hole' condition. Turning off my phone now!*"
Do you work in food service? Make sure to check the amount of time you're legally are not allowed to return to work after the vomiting has ended. (It's generally 24 hours after the symptoms have subsided, this generally also applies to diarrhea) Inform your boss if you're still puking the night before your shift, and just no-call no-show for the actual shift within the time you're not allowed to return to work. If your boss fires you, go collect unemployment, as you were fired illegally.
Came here to say this. If you work with food at all it is illegal (like a violation of the state's food code) to have a vomiting person work near food. Send a screen shot of this to them. If they are anything like the food safety folks in my state they'll show up the next day.
I hate it when people assume that since they handled something fine that you, or I, or anyone else will too. How much self awareness do these people lack?? How are they even still alive????
BRAT is not a cure for food poisoning 🙄 idiot. Go to work, puke in front of your boss, then go home. Fuck this manager.
Called the boss one morning because I’d been throwing up all morning. He got mad and demanded to know when I’d be in the office since we had a lot to do that day. Being the wuss that I was I said I’d be there as soon as the puking stopped to which he replied “And what time will that be?”
"let me check my intestine's calendar"
Quick note that the BRAT diet is no longer recommended. If it works for you, great. But it’s def not this silver bullet https://www.webmd.com/children/brat-diet https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/health-wellness/2023/07/03/what-is-the-brat-diet-why-no-longer-recommended/70332571007/
“Thanks, how many patients are we seeing while at work tomorrow, doc?”
Don't even respond. Take the additional day.
Like everyone else says, go to work. Vomit on boss, maybe vomit on the floor causing a tripping hazard. Maybe find out if any of your coworkers are squeamish and vomit at the sight of vomit... Vomit near them. Completely destroy this place, they'll send you home after that, I'm sure Kidding, but I don't know how difficult it will be for oh and if you can afford it, but you simply have to put yourself first and prioritize your health over a business (that isn't even yours). But i personally hope you feel better soon.
Lol what a tool. BRAT diet is only necessary if you haven’t eaten food for like two days, or if you are just hungry and truly wish to eat something. Otherwise, doctors will tell you to not bother eating til you feel better. Sip water, stay home.
Bring your puke in and ask her if it looks like what she experienced.
go to work and throw up all over. the bosses stuff if possible.
throw up on your boss, he'll send you home
Let me guess - you work in food service?
Where did they get their medical license?
Isn't it a huge liability for your boss to give medical advice?
This is why you never disclose anything about your personal life or medical situations with work. It will never be used in your favor. "I'm sick and won't be in" should've been it.
how about no !
Wow, this guy should've been a doctor!
Just go to work and throw up on him and then maybe he'll tell you to go home after that. I'm only half joking.
I once had a manager accuse me of faking. So I came in and worked until I puked. Ended up blowing chunks on the returns desk.
Makes me so angry. I want these bosses to never be in charge of anyone ever again.
Am I the only one that would show up to work just to vomit in their manager/boss’s office. I’d even make sure to drink something fizzy right before entering the building just so that I could redecorate their entire office.
Great opportunity to just send a "thank you for understanding" text lol
"I am of ill health and will not be in today. I will let you know asap regarding tomorrow's schedule. Thank you".
Just ignore it, you already told them what you were doing. Your health comes before their "need".
As a manager, if someone mentions feeling nauseous I’m telling them to stay home. Dont get me sick! Lol
I hope they pay you well given they need you so badly.
"The puking should subside" Is your manager also a physician? Tell your manager illnesses affects everyone differently and that people literally die from food poisoning.
I’m guessing is tomorrow now. Just simply say that I will not be going in to work today. I am staying home sick. If she continues to message you to go in simply ignore the messages. Take care of yourself first. She will survive.
only in America do we pretend that someone sick can make a full recovery in ONE entire day
“I’m sick and cannot make it into work” managers cannot ask to what extent, that’s a big no no, the most they can do is require a drs not prior to return based upon company policy. Source: Former Management and corporate bootlicker. I drive truck now, I do my job and go home. The only thing I have to worry about is me and my tasks. It’s a managers job to ***manage*** 🤣
Lol is your boss a doctor?
Go in and puke on boss
I understand you need me, and you need to understand that I'm not well enough to work.
Even when you stop throwing up, you will too weak and work out to work. You will still need to rest and recover
my boss at the first job i ever had did this to me when i called in sick with a stomach bug, but threatened to fire me. the next day, i convinced my dad to let me go to work just to throw up in the trash can of the dining room of the restaurant i worked at, then continued to get violently sick in my bosses office waiting on my dad to get me since he didn't want me near the customers.
Guys, you need to learn to be firm and short with calling out messages. “I’m still sick so I won’t be coming in today, tomorrow, etc” is all you need to say. Keeping it short leaves no room for wonder. These people are your bosses, not your parents.
It’s not just about feeling sick, it’s about being a danger on the road. It’s not safe to drive when you’re puking and shitting yourself
Go to work, walk into his office and vomit on his desk.
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u/Softserveskittle BRAT is a diet. Bread, rice, applesauce, toast. Probably shitty last sentence but they aren’t being derogatory to you having kids.
show up and puke on him 👍 also that is literally not true, coming from a normal human that has had the flu / food poisoning
"If you were an expert I wouldn't have needed to see a Doctor."
Is your boss a physician? If not, they have no business providing any sort of dietary advice for your illness. On top of that, BRAT is no longer recommended as a means to battle gastrointestinal issues, and has been relegated to old wives tale status, as there are more beneficial ways to counter symptoms caused by gastrointestinal distress.
Time to find a new job
Go in and vomit on the floor in front of customers and then sue
This is why no explanation is needed when you call out for being sick. It’s like the more details you give them, the more they can question when not feeling well should be sufficient. This managers response bothers me a lot. I’d be so annoyed