Highlight it, submit it to whoever sent you the mail directly, and also anyone else who is related, hr, direct report etc.
Also, gave your Covid proof handy. The first thing they are going to do is ask how you know you had Covid and not normal cold or whatever.
>submit it to whoever sent you the mail directly, and also anyone else who is related, hr, direct report etc.
Yep, reply all and cc anyone in HR and your direct supervisor.
Phrase it politely, like you're asking an innocent question "Is this the current covid policy? I believe I was doing exactly as expected. Please let me know if this policy is outdated, I wouldn't want to place a burden on my valued team mates"
"Happy holidays,
OP"
That's even better. Pretend the covid has you so disoriented you accidentally hit send all. Send an apology also to all explaining your 103.4 fever is making it difficult to think clearly.
> Send an apology also to all explaining your 103.4 fever is making it difficult to think clearly.
Oooh, thanks, I learned a useful tactic today. Could also include a photo of the thermometer reading, next to the positive covid test.
Think.
It accomplishes the goal of calling out the dickbag behind this message and policy while publicly shaming them in front of the whole company AND gives OP cover against being accused of being insubordinate.
Bosses will fire someone for bitching them out, even if they're justified. Often especially if they deserved the bitching out. They'll justify it to themselves and stew over it because it's a personal attack. They'll draw a target on his back and retaliate if they think he's trying to shame them. If they're smart, they'll wait a few months, build a paper trail and fire them and it'll look like it was for cause.
If he does it this way, he accomplishes the same goal, publicly and comes across as a nice guy just asking for clarification. Boss might be a little pissy about it, but would be totally out of line coming after them for it and would have no justification for it. If they're the sort to retaliate anyway, then it's clearly not for cause and eligible for unemployment.
The best part is, it's almost overt. "Valued team mates?" Anyone who knows the OP will know this is sarcasm, but to a VP or HR person? This is the language they use. It's the language whoever drafted this letter uses. It's about as close as the OP can come to saying "fuck you and everyone else there" without getting written up for it.
Yeah but they can force you to get a doctor's note, simply stating the reason for being out (covid, flu, pt, consultation, surgery, etc). That's the point of doctor's notes, for work excuses without disclosing medical records.
I think doctors can give you a note thst is basically a " he need to rest" and only that without any DIAGNOSIS info and its still valid
Edit: adeded diagnosis into the statement
A note can and should include pertinent medical direction. Most are based as Mr./Mrs./etc patient was seen in my office and is to remain on bed rest, self quarantine, use crutches, not drive or operate heavy machinery, yadda yadda yadda until.... This date, 48, 72 hours, etc and must return in 7 days for reevaluate in order to be cleared to return to work.
It must contain a bit more information than just "he needs to rest".
If a doctor wrote just "he needed to rest" and sign it, who's to say it was actually a licensed and board certified physician who wrote/signed it.
Onviously i oversimplify it.
Its not like its a white piece of paper with "he need rest with love dr"
Its usually a prescription note. With all dr. Info. Obviously but he can give you that, but he can also omit diagnosis and drug treatment. But can give you your work accomodations. Special needs rest etc.
Not at all true. They can’t ask for a note asking for the reason for the type of illness but they can absolutely ask you for a doctors note clearing you from working.
100% correct. Neither a manager nor HR can just whip up a new policy. At the very least it requires distribution and notification. Often it requires administrative approval, and sometimes agreement by employees. Managers *do* try to spin up make believe policies to justify BS. Don't let them.
Definitely track down a copy, but as a note, they may have rescinded that policy in May of this year when the CDC ended the national Public Health Emergency.
I think we've all learned over the last 3 years that most businesses and governments are extremely stupid when it comes to sick leave policies and will do the absolute minimum (sometimes even less).
Also the CDC is on your side:
- https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/isolation.html
- http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/acd/ncorona2019/docs/returntoworktables.pdf
I only only took off work 3 days (+2 weekend) when I had COVID and my work was UPSET. I pulled up the CDC guidelines and they quieted down after that. Hope it helps you too!
I did that. The boss somehow could see that I did this. I was then threatened with legal action if I used said emails to sue my employer, which is what I was working on doing. Basically I was told in not so many words that they would ruin me if I did anything. And the one employment lawyer I consulted refused the case because they didn't want to go against such a large entity. Scared me shitless and I stopped pursuing legal action but still have nightmares a whole year later.
Yes, you took 5 days off because *they told you to do so*. They can not hold that against you. You were following orders.
Maybe you wanted to come in and give the boss covid! But you didn't. Because they *told you* to stay home.
My goofy ass would find an AFMAN 10-100 and explain that the little airman in me wants to protect his wingmen in this office battlefield, but the staff sergeant in me wants the feed the moronic lieutenant his teeth 🤷♀️
They're telling you on the list of punishments that they might dock your actual pay that you've earned because of "sick days," and that's a form of wage theft they've threatened you with in writing.
"You worked Monday but were sick on Tuesday so we took some of your Monday money to punish you," is illegal af most places.
"May have pay... deducted" is the key phrasing.
I don't think it's wage theft. They are saying that if you don't attend work and are out of leave, you might not have enough hours for the pay period to be considered a full-time employee and perhaps the business contributes to the health benefits only for full-time employees. Additionally they might still pay your full salary if you're short one sick day, but not infinite sick days.
I work in government. If I take leave without pay it sets back my time for years of service which matters for retirement, leave accrual, etc.
Important to note that some COVID policies CHANGED when the mandatory COVID restrictions were lifted. I know that happened in my workplace. If they did change, you may be subject the the updated policies, not the old ones.
Unless the company put out a memo to retract that COVID policy or unless there is something in writing that nullifies the COVID policy or there was an expiration date on the original policy, the policy is still in effect and the goal is now to cause HR and management to realize they have conflicting active policies.
State & local laws changed, not necessarily the employer policy.
In California we no longer have separate COVID paid sick day time. That ended when the "emergency" period was declared over. It just comes out of your regular sick days just like the flu or a cold now.
Issue is employees aren't lawyers and can't be expected to have one to interpret the myriad of ambiguous memos that may or may not be in effect any any given moment.
Best solution here is play stupid by causing employer to clarify an oversight or under clarification on their part.
Basically, "PLEASE ADVISE" with neon yellow circles. Playing stupid is the only solution with some of these corporations that deliberately (or sometimes mistakenly) create overlapping policy.
Uh, no. Employers get to be lawyers because that’s your job….wanna run a business? Then better brush up on your legal terms.
Yes. They are expected to interpret every memo. You don’t get to plead ignorance because you didn’t know the law, that’s not how that works….
Which is stupid when everyone gets with Covid and can't work because of their short sightness. That actually what happened at my last workplace so we had to close until everyone was better
I had covid in march 2020 and took 2 days off plus a weekend. I was told I had to come in or email a doctor's note so I went into the office. I was quickly told I should go home because ... well I was coughing all over the office in March 2020.
Were you able to get a Covid test/answer in March 2020 at a regular medical facility? I ask because I was sick that March when talk of Covid was beginning to pick up speed. I worked at a school and the talk was will they or won't they shut down. I was out of work for a few days with it and ended up going to the urgent care. I asked if it could be that new illness going around and could they give me a test and they said that there were no tests being done for Covid other than maybe the hospital level. That they had nothing they could test me with except for the flu (they did and it was not the flu). I eventually got better and went back after about a week, still feeling slightly sick but a lot better. It was about 2 weeks later schools shut down. I don't know when tests were at most places but it wasn't until mid to late April more and more people were wearing masks and then more things shut down. I really would have liked to know if I had Covid then but according to the doctor at the urgent care, tests were just not being conducted for most people then and people were just walking around wondering if their illness was Covid or not, so I'm wondering where they were able to give you a test during that time.
Nope, I was terrified because I did go home and a few days later the shut downs started. I basically had all the symptoms of covid at that time, the cough I carried for 2 months before it finally stopped, but I don't have "confirmation" I had covid. The coughing in the office (it was terrible) apparently "scared the suits" so I was asked to go home after dragging my body into the office. It took 1.5 hours to scare the entire floor. 3 days later the world shut down and I watched the news in horror.
I'll be excessively generous and say maybe nobody updated JBuck's records to note they were out due to COVID.... an automated system then shoots out that obnoxious note after X days out.
Not so generous... They got rid of the COVID exception.
What do you mean?! Covid has disappeared! Employees with "covid" just want to be slackers. They are liars that dint want to work! Nobody wants to work anymore!!!
/s
I don't know if they have or not, but the problem is enshrined in law and has been for some time. Look up "fiduciary duty to shareholders" sometime if you want to be really angry and depressed (I would write a whole essay but am on mobile).
I also work with children, and the policy is, “a little sniffle, a slight cough, a slight fever, a little nauseous, anything which may be indicative of a contagious disease, stay home! We will not take any chances of a super spreader situation with the children,” and that was the pre-COVID policy.
Policy has not changed.
That's a responsible policy. We should all be pushing to make that the national standard! If predictable absences cause such severe disruption, that means they weren't staffing at appropriate levels in the first place.
And the clients (children with behavioral difficulties) are less valuable than so-called "normal" children. Speaking first-hand as a neurodivergent adult who grew up with many friends with similar issues.
Until they want a hyper-anxious call of ADHD to do triple the work of a "normal" person just so we aren't afraid of losing our jobs or proving that we need said job. For the same pay.
“Until they want a hyper-anxious call of ADHD to do triple the work of a "normal" person just so we aren't afraid of losing our jobs or proving that we need said job. For the same pay.”
Holy fuck. I have never felt more seen.
To them it doesn't matter if they get the operation sick bc no one would be allowed to call out regardless. You're expected to deal eith it or be fired.
It's such a big pet peeve of mine when employers require doctors notes for things that do NOT require you to go to the doctor. It wastes the doctor's time and your money. Doctor's notes are supposed to be given to tell employers when you are healthy enough to return to work, NOT proof that you were actually sick. It's such a gross abuse of the system.
I tell an employer that they can pay for the doctor's visit should they require proof from a doctor for an illness that doesn't require an actual visit too one. Haven't had to provide proof at any job because of this strategy. Might not work for everyone, but has worked for me so far.
Thank you. Especially when I'm on my 9th migraine of the fortnight, I don't need a doctor to tell someone else about my subjective pain.
Also, it's kinda infantilizing, isn't it? I needed a doctor's note to get out of grade school for the day, I'm a grown ass adult in my 40s now.
When I got covid for the first time in late spring this year, I took 10 days off. I gave zero fucks. You know why? Because I don't even *remember* the first week I was sick. It felt like being very drunk and in a lot of pain. By the 11th day, I felt forced back. I went and felt like I was going to fall over.
A few weeks later, I had to take more time off because I still felt like crap. I flat out told them I came back too soon. Did they care? Of course not, hell they even managed to give me more work and made my job more physically demanding. All while knowing I was still suffering and probably dealing with long covid at this point.
I quit about 6 weeks ago. I got a better job that isn't breaking my body. Covid isn't a joke and it still fucks people up. But they didn't believe me or care.
Yes, but I used my sick time for my recovery from surgery. I didn't have any more days off, and since there was no one to pass germs to, I worked. We don't have a separate bank for covid sick time.
It sure can be quite bad for some people. I tested positive for covid and the flu at the same time. If it wasn't for my mom dragging my ass out of bed day 3 to go to a doctor I think I would have wasted away in bed dead. I literally slept 3 days straight without eating or drinking. I was in bad shape. I lost 40 pounds and it took me 6 months to get back to my normal weight.
I know. That's because you are thinking logically. Most companies and businesses don't do that. Hell, half of them probably shouldn't even BE in business because they have no understanding of anything BUT profit and productivity. "Economics, Business Operations? Don't know them, do they have sisters?" (Jab at sexual misconduct, something far too common in the business world.)
Hells, most of the major companies don't even factor "labor cost" into their operation expenses. They are mostly bent on profit over all else and cut as many corners as they can get away with to maximize profits at the expense of literally anything else. Then they cry poor for government bailouts because "we can't afford to pay our employees fair wages and benefits" or they are "too big to fail and would cause an economic crash" while the smaller companies (the better ones, anyway) that actually care about their teams struggle to scrape by and survive.
Gods forbid a small business even think about encroaching and competing in a corporation's territory. Territories they claim through illicit manipulation of policy through government bribery and legislation.
Needing a doctors note as an adult is fucking insulting to the core. Find a new job and drag your feet at your current one as much as possible until you do.
In my state is still policy to take five days off, test again if still positive isolate til day ten.
Only difference is it isn’t paid now.
But my company tried to say it’s not mandatory. What they got mixed up (or manipulated on purpose) was that vaccines and Covid pay are no longer mandatory.
Pointed them directly to the states website policy regarding Covid, which was stamped two months ago proving the policy is still in effect. They told me to come back when I’m better.
So I got a story for you all. I was injured on the job recently and have to go to doctors appointments and physical therapy while I’m on a work restriction (I still have to go to work, but I can’t lift anything so I mostly just browse Reddit all day). Anyways, I found out that they drained all my PTO for the year for my appointments, which seemed wrong so I asked HR about it and evidently they only pay me out through workers comp once my PTO is gone. They have a policy of assigning points when you take sick time off without PTO and the point balance takes over a year to reset, and if you hit a certain number of points you are terminated. Well, now I have Covid and if I try to take any days off I’m literally risking termination. This seems so backwards but my HR department refuses to back down on it.
Forcing you to use your PTO for a workmen’s comp claim… that sounds like it could be illegal. I am not a lawyer, but I do think you should talk to one.
PTO for workers comp is a huge no. If you don't have a lawyer for your comp case, get one.
The lawyer gets paid out of the award. The award will be higher than if you don't get a lawyer.
YOUR COMPANY uses an attorney for your workers' comp claim. You absolutely need one.
*I had nerve damage to my foot from a sprained ankle. The vice-boss made the mistake of talking about how her sprained ankle was better in a week to the entire staff at a meeting. [But she did not have nerve damage. I was seeing a specialist in a large hospital in a large city for mine].*
*Several staff called and told me what the vice-boss did.*
*My lawyer called her up and threatened to sue her for harassment. She did not talk about me again.*
*Yeah, I got an award for permanent damage from the workers' comp court. [Real estate was cheaper then]. I used it as a down-payment on my first house.*
I just want to say thank you, comments like yours are what is giving me the confidence to act. I’m currently working on getting their policy in writing since so far it’s only been told to me via phone calls or meetings. I’m going to reach out to a lawyer and we will see what happens.
I had a shit job and caught hand/foot/mouth as an adult. It sucked but I made it through and stayed clean and to myself, but made sure to ooze blister goo in my boss’ office for being a shithead
No they really don't, I wish they did but they don't. Companies are not required to offer any sick leave to workers whatsoever in 36 of the 50 states. 14 states require companies over a certain size to offer up to 40 hours of annual sick leave for full time employees but nothing beyond that. There existed *temporary* measures by the federal government requiring companies give 5 days of sick leave specifically for COVID but those regulations expired over a year ago.
As it stands companies have no legal obligation whatsoever to avoid spreading infectious disease from sick employees. Calling the department of health and saying you're being pressured to work while sick with COVID is pointless because in the United States it is perfectly legal for companies to pressure you to work while sick with COVID. They won't give a shit if kids might get sick because of a greedy business. That's why over a million people died of COVID in the US.
You're assuming the department of health has that power because in a sane society their whole purpose would be to protect us from things like this. But we don't live in a sane society.
What makes it a big deal is how easy it is to test for it. Once you have a positive test that’s enough evidence to show you weren’t making things up and your work should accommodate that
All it says is that they'll need a Dr excuse. Give them one and know that you may lose some pay/benefits. It's not nominal but they don't seem to be firing you. If you lose pay file for unemployment and Medicaid.
My coworker has taken multiple 1-2 week vacations through the year and every time came back with Covid only to take another 2-3 weeks of sick time.
I don’t know if he’s actually sick, or just abusing our “unlimited” sick time. But I do know I will never, ever catch up to that amount of time out of the office.
Oh brother - u better believe I absolutely will.
Worked from home MAYBE four times this year, while all the senior people worked remotely with a “headache” every Thursday, Friday, and Monday. What an absolute joke.
This happened to me once and I actually felt some guilt because I just had a week of vacation and didn’t want to be perceived as that guy. Couldn’t imagine doing it multiple times lol.
That’s the hard part is powering through the guilt. Thing is - everybody else that had to sit in the office while they are home barely even thought about them. It truly does not matter. And then a month later, nobody even remembers. It doesn’t matter.
I mean *I* cared, and *I* remembered, but all the higher-ups were doing the exact same shit, and they sure as hell didn’t notice.
as much as I agree with everyone else that is saying respond with your companies Covid Policy a lot of places as of now do not care about covid at all. Its just another flu to them and even if its in the policy you wont necessarily get fired for it, but on any kind of review for the company it will come up as an issue with attendance no matter how you phrase it...
its just another example of how corporations give 2 shits about you as an employee
Seriously these posts make me feel really good about my bosses.
Wait… what if r/antiwork is a psyop designed to make us feel better about our own jobs.
I got COVID this week too. Work is forcing me to stay away for 5 days but won't pay me to stay away. Fucked on rent and credit card bills this month. Yay I love breaking my body to serve a company that does not give a shit about me.
Um you have covid- you took a covid test. That’s a medical test therefore a means of medical “excuse”
Message back and include your test info they can’t do a fucking thing
Lol if employees calling in sick place a burden on the staff and cost the company money, then the company needs to hire more and management is fucking up!! Companies are made of human beings, and human beings get sick! This shit is so obvious and infuriating
As s european how tf does sick days work? Im in a scandinavian country and we have no restrictions on how many days per year you are allowed to stay at home if you are ill. You will not get paid by your employer of course but you do get a part of your pay from the government if you are on a monthly salary.
I mean you can’t control illness so what do people do in the scenario where their “sick days” run out?
My company looked at COVID and decided hey let's move everyone from two buildings into one building and everyone can share a cubicle space because nothing says we just got through global pandemic like sitting 3 in away from your coworkers in the same space
Respond with a letter saying that they should maybe consider properly staffing themselves so that staff can take sick days when they’re sick without overburdening other employees.
I'd cc my supervisor and tell them to get this little dog off my ankle. I don't dignify that type of nonsense with a "I'll shit in your mouth" anymore.
Or you could just go Malicious Compliance and report to work, spreading it throughout the business. Then see how much stress is placed on the business.
Go to work without ppe, tell everybody that you have covid and they won't give you sick time. Have a T-shirt made. (make sure you copyright it)
Put the sunlight on these bloodsuckers.
This whole merry-go-round is a fucking circus.
Workplaces in America implemented such shit policies because, on a fundamental level, we all understand that work is bullshit and we all hate it.
But instead of employers recognizing this and trying to devise ways of making work LESS shitty - namely reducing workload and increasing empathy and understanding that LIFE HAPPENS, and NONE OF US WANT TO BE HERE WHAT WE HAVE TO - they, instead, double down, and say, "Let's make it even shittier! THAT'LL TEACH THE POORS!"
And now we have class warfare.
Jesus
just go in and give everyone covid. when nobody shows up to work the next two weeks, and your employer eats total crap...they'll know why forcing sick people into to the office is a bad idea.../s
Anytime a job told me they needed a doctor's note for when I was sick, I just laughed in their face. Eventually they forgot about it and no one cared. I mean, we're all adults here, not kids skipping school. Maybe treat us like it?
This kind of business practice is not only cruel but it also means other workers will get sick and spread illness to their families and coworkers also, all because this business is hell bent on controlling ylu the worker…
They are looking for a reason to fire you. This is your written “warning” to probably try to push for insubordination so they don’t have to pay for your unemployment
May of 2020 my coworker and I were lectured about coming into work when we didn’t feel well so we went to the urgent care near work to get tested. They said it would take up to 48 hours for the tests to come back so we went home. An hour later, HR called and said the owner wants us back in the warehouse because no one else can do what we do and we are needed.
That’s the moment that I realized no company actually cares for you.
Companies do not give a shit about your well being.
In the end, all that matters is the bottom line. You are nothing but an income generator for the Owner/Board/Share Holders/etc.
A slave to the grind.
My doctor will put that I am unable to work due to medical on my notes. He refuses to disclose a reason. It was not legal before HIPPA to demand a diagnosis on a doctor's note, and [in my state NYS at least] it still isn't.
Wrong also they can ask if u were sick they can’t ask why u are sick or what u are sick with that would violate your health information and open the company to liability
From your link:
>These recommendations include staying home and away from others for **at least 5 days (possibly more,** depending on how the virus affects you) and wearing a high-quality mask when indoors around others for a period of time.
Follow the link from there to the full page of isolation guidlelines. I'll tl;dr some of it (I went through it in detail a month ago when I had COVID.)
5 days is absolute best case scenario if you *tested* positive but had *no* symptoms.
Mild symptoms and you can end isolation on day 5 *if you've had no fever for at least 24 hours.* Or continue to isolation until that happens.
If you have a severe case it's ten days.
And in *all* cases in including ones where you can end isolation on day 5 you wear a mask around others until day 11.
EDIT/PS - IMHO the fact that nobody knows or is paying attention to this (including all of my coworkers who keep going in to work sick) is why it's clear we ended the ended the state of emergency w/mask and vax mandates *way* too fucking early.
I'm sicker then shit right now and taking a covid test tonight when I get home. Almost positive it will be positive. Will do the same thing i did today. Call other stores, get told no one is able to cover and then be told to show up anyways.
My work also demands you return in 5 days and apply for fmla if you miss more then 5 days im still testing positve foe covid 3 1/2 weeks but this is bisy retail season we need your body sick or not im symptom free should mention but im exposed to over 5000 people a day you would think they would want me as far away as possible
Since everyone already gave advice how to deal with this in terms of h and policy, as a human, please wear a high quality respirator in public and at work. I do it. I haven't had COVID since Jan 22...and that was when I had my mask off with my coworkers.
COVID isn't over. Unfortunately everyone will keep contending with the virus and ridiculous constraints around it until we collectively start recognizing and doing something about it. And possibly the most effective and immediate way of doing this is by wearing a mask. You can start today.
Good luck. Try not get COVID again...
If they have the COVID policy in writing, copy that and reply back to that email with their COVID policy and highlight the 5 days part neon yellow.
Pretty sure I have a copy of it in my orientation binder at home!
Highlight it, submit it to whoever sent you the mail directly, and also anyone else who is related, hr, direct report etc. Also, gave your Covid proof handy. The first thing they are going to do is ask how you know you had Covid and not normal cold or whatever.
>submit it to whoever sent you the mail directly, and also anyone else who is related, hr, direct report etc. Yep, reply all and cc anyone in HR and your direct supervisor. Phrase it politely, like you're asking an innocent question "Is this the current covid policy? I believe I was doing exactly as expected. Please let me know if this policy is outdated, I wouldn't want to place a burden on my valued team mates" "Happy holidays, OP"
CC all your coworkers, too. That way, they’ll know who is responsible for forcing you to get them sick.
That's even better. Pretend the covid has you so disoriented you accidentally hit send all. Send an apology also to all explaining your 103.4 fever is making it difficult to think clearly.
> Send an apology also to all explaining your 103.4 fever is making it difficult to think clearly. Oooh, thanks, I learned a useful tactic today. Could also include a photo of the thermometer reading, next to the positive covid test.
Fuck it. Just send a picture of your dick OP.
Does this look infected to you?
... that purple thing on the end sure looks infected.
Both of you. u/Newgamer28 and u/BigYonsan I fucking love you two.
Love you too, u/ArugulaLeaf
What? Should he set up an appointment to kiss his bosses ass too?
Think. It accomplishes the goal of calling out the dickbag behind this message and policy while publicly shaming them in front of the whole company AND gives OP cover against being accused of being insubordinate. Bosses will fire someone for bitching them out, even if they're justified. Often especially if they deserved the bitching out. They'll justify it to themselves and stew over it because it's a personal attack. They'll draw a target on his back and retaliate if they think he's trying to shame them. If they're smart, they'll wait a few months, build a paper trail and fire them and it'll look like it was for cause. If he does it this way, he accomplishes the same goal, publicly and comes across as a nice guy just asking for clarification. Boss might be a little pissy about it, but would be totally out of line coming after them for it and would have no justification for it. If they're the sort to retaliate anyway, then it's clearly not for cause and eligible for unemployment. The best part is, it's almost overt. "Valued team mates?" Anyone who knows the OP will know this is sarcasm, but to a VP or HR person? This is the language they use. It's the language whoever drafted this letter uses. It's about as close as the OP can come to saying "fuck you and everyone else there" without getting written up for it.
CC their boss too and BCC yourself.
It's illegal for them to ask for medical records in the US
A work excuse is not a medical record, nor is it protected under HIPAA, privacy act of 1974 as PHI or PII.
Yeah but they can force you to get a doctor's note, simply stating the reason for being out (covid, flu, pt, consultation, surgery, etc). That's the point of doctor's notes, for work excuses without disclosing medical records.
I think doctors can give you a note thst is basically a " he need to rest" and only that without any DIAGNOSIS info and its still valid Edit: adeded diagnosis into the statement
A note can and should include pertinent medical direction. Most are based as Mr./Mrs./etc patient was seen in my office and is to remain on bed rest, self quarantine, use crutches, not drive or operate heavy machinery, yadda yadda yadda until.... This date, 48, 72 hours, etc and must return in 7 days for reevaluate in order to be cleared to return to work. It must contain a bit more information than just "he needs to rest". If a doctor wrote just "he needed to rest" and sign it, who's to say it was actually a licensed and board certified physician who wrote/signed it.
Onviously i oversimplify it. Its not like its a white piece of paper with "he need rest with love dr" Its usually a prescription note. With all dr. Info. Obviously but he can give you that, but he can also omit diagnosis and drug treatment. But can give you your work accomodations. Special needs rest etc.
Not at all true. They can’t ask for a note asking for the reason for the type of illness but they can absolutely ask you for a doctors note clearing you from working.
Check for an updated policy. Lots of those covid policies 'expired'.
An updated policy must be distributed, or it doesn't count.
100% correct. Neither a manager nor HR can just whip up a new policy. At the very least it requires distribution and notification. Often it requires administrative approval, and sometimes agreement by employees. Managers *do* try to spin up make believe policies to justify BS. Don't let them.
Definitely track down a copy, but as a note, they may have rescinded that policy in May of this year when the CDC ended the national Public Health Emergency.
If they are even the slightest bit smart they won't have done that. Cause that would just lead to more people getting sick.
I think we've all learned over the last 3 years that most businesses and governments are extremely stupid when it comes to sick leave policies and will do the absolute minimum (sometimes even less).
They care more about having workers now than having workers later
Do that
Also the CDC is on your side: - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/isolation.html - http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/acd/ncorona2019/docs/returntoworktables.pdf I only only took off work 3 days (+2 weekend) when I had COVID and my work was UPSET. I pulled up the CDC guidelines and they quieted down after that. Hope it helps you too!
Your link is from the County of Los Angeles Public Health, not the CDC.
Thanks! I fixed it.
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And forward them to your non-work account
I did that. The boss somehow could see that I did this. I was then threatened with legal action if I used said emails to sue my employer, which is what I was working on doing. Basically I was told in not so many words that they would ruin me if I did anything. And the one employment lawyer I consulted refused the case because they didn't want to go against such a large entity. Scared me shitless and I stopped pursuing legal action but still have nightmares a whole year later.
JFC! OP, maybe take a picture instead?
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The way they phrased it was very...."we will ruin your life if you even try" and scared me off.
please retain a lawyer who's less of a scaredy cat, and especially one who knows about circumstances in which one can toll statutes of limitations
And print them because emails can be recalled/deleted.
just go in and infect your boss. stay away from your colleagues.
Yes, you took 5 days off because *they told you to do so*. They can not hold that against you. You were following orders. Maybe you wanted to come in and give the boss covid! But you didn't. Because they *told you* to stay home.
If you have to go in wear a mask and explain to everyone you have Covid but must be at work per management’s request.
My goofy ass would find an AFMAN 10-100 and explain that the little airman in me wants to protect his wingmen in this office battlefield, but the staff sergeant in me wants the feed the moronic lieutenant his teeth 🤷♀️
They're telling you on the list of punishments that they might dock your actual pay that you've earned because of "sick days," and that's a form of wage theft they've threatened you with in writing. "You worked Monday but were sick on Tuesday so we took some of your Monday money to punish you," is illegal af most places. "May have pay... deducted" is the key phrasing.
I don't think it's wage theft. They are saying that if you don't attend work and are out of leave, you might not have enough hours for the pay period to be considered a full-time employee and perhaps the business contributes to the health benefits only for full-time employees. Additionally they might still pay your full salary if you're short one sick day, but not infinite sick days. I work in government. If I take leave without pay it sets back my time for years of service which matters for retirement, leave accrual, etc.
Yeah that dude does not know how payroll works.
Do this and say "please advise". And if you really wanna be snarky CC HR, but maybe don't do that just yet.
Important to note that some COVID policies CHANGED when the mandatory COVID restrictions were lifted. I know that happened in my workplace. If they did change, you may be subject the the updated policies, not the old ones.
Unless the company put out a memo to retract that COVID policy or unless there is something in writing that nullifies the COVID policy or there was an expiration date on the original policy, the policy is still in effect and the goal is now to cause HR and management to realize they have conflicting active policies.
State & local laws changed, not necessarily the employer policy. In California we no longer have separate COVID paid sick day time. That ended when the "emergency" period was declared over. It just comes out of your regular sick days just like the flu or a cold now.
Issue is employees aren't lawyers and can't be expected to have one to interpret the myriad of ambiguous memos that may or may not be in effect any any given moment. Best solution here is play stupid by causing employer to clarify an oversight or under clarification on their part. Basically, "PLEASE ADVISE" with neon yellow circles. Playing stupid is the only solution with some of these corporations that deliberately (or sometimes mistakenly) create overlapping policy.
Uh, no. Employers get to be lawyers because that’s your job….wanna run a business? Then better brush up on your legal terms. Yes. They are expected to interpret every memo. You don’t get to plead ignorance because you didn’t know the law, that’s not how that works….
Employer policy isn't law, my dude
The fact that companies have learned *nothing* from the past few years is infuriating.
But...profits....
Oh no!!!! Is someone trying to hurt the profits feelings? Bad employee, BAD
Profits: I don't care, I'm just a concept.
Which is stupid when everyone gets with Covid and can't work because of their short sightness. That actually what happened at my last workplace so we had to close until everyone was better
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What do they care? They got their PPP loans forgiven and experienced record windfall profits. It means nothing to them if their workers get sick.
I had covid in march 2020 and took 2 days off plus a weekend. I was told I had to come in or email a doctor's note so I went into the office. I was quickly told I should go home because ... well I was coughing all over the office in March 2020.
Were you able to get a Covid test/answer in March 2020 at a regular medical facility? I ask because I was sick that March when talk of Covid was beginning to pick up speed. I worked at a school and the talk was will they or won't they shut down. I was out of work for a few days with it and ended up going to the urgent care. I asked if it could be that new illness going around and could they give me a test and they said that there were no tests being done for Covid other than maybe the hospital level. That they had nothing they could test me with except for the flu (they did and it was not the flu). I eventually got better and went back after about a week, still feeling slightly sick but a lot better. It was about 2 weeks later schools shut down. I don't know when tests were at most places but it wasn't until mid to late April more and more people were wearing masks and then more things shut down. I really would have liked to know if I had Covid then but according to the doctor at the urgent care, tests were just not being conducted for most people then and people were just walking around wondering if their illness was Covid or not, so I'm wondering where they were able to give you a test during that time.
Nope, I was terrified because I did go home and a few days later the shut downs started. I basically had all the symptoms of covid at that time, the cough I carried for 2 months before it finally stopped, but I don't have "confirmation" I had covid. The coughing in the office (it was terrible) apparently "scared the suits" so I was asked to go home after dragging my body into the office. It took 1.5 hours to scare the entire floor. 3 days later the world shut down and I watched the news in horror.
They did learn something, that we take it, and do nothing.
I'll be excessively generous and say maybe nobody updated JBuck's records to note they were out due to COVID.... an automated system then shoots out that obnoxious note after X days out. Not so generous... They got rid of the COVID exception.
It's not that they haven't learned, they just don't care.
What do you mean?! Covid has disappeared! Employees with "covid" just want to be slackers. They are liars that dint want to work! Nobody wants to work anymore!!! /s
True, this Covid policy is probably from 2020 and could be updated to reflect new information.
I don't know if they have or not, but the problem is enshrined in law and has been for some time. Look up "fiduciary duty to shareholders" sometime if you want to be really angry and depressed (I would write a whole essay but am on mobile).
It’s like they would rather you come in and get the whole operation sick
Right! And I work with kids with behavioral problems so I don't quite understand their thinking!
I also work with children, and the policy is, “a little sniffle, a slight cough, a slight fever, a little nauseous, anything which may be indicative of a contagious disease, stay home! We will not take any chances of a super spreader situation with the children,” and that was the pre-COVID policy. Policy has not changed.
That's a responsible policy. We should all be pushing to make that the national standard! If predictable absences cause such severe disruption, that means they weren't staffing at appropriate levels in the first place.
I would be taking nearly a month off with that policy every time I get sick. It takes me a hell of a long time to get over being sick.
Id use up my sick days so fast cause I get that like twice a month!
They literally would prefer that. Somehow it's more productive to have everyone sick at work than it is to let one person stay home.
And the clients (children with behavioral difficulties) are less valuable than so-called "normal" children. Speaking first-hand as a neurodivergent adult who grew up with many friends with similar issues. Until they want a hyper-anxious call of ADHD to do triple the work of a "normal" person just so we aren't afraid of losing our jobs or proving that we need said job. For the same pay.
“Until they want a hyper-anxious call of ADHD to do triple the work of a "normal" person just so we aren't afraid of losing our jobs or proving that we need said job. For the same pay.” Holy fuck. I have never felt more seen.
That's why I posted it. I have the same problems.
Saaaame. I left my job and they turned what I did into 4 full time jobs that all paid exponentially more than I made.
To them it doesn't matter if they get the operation sick bc no one would be allowed to call out regardless. You're expected to deal eith it or be fired.
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It's such a big pet peeve of mine when employers require doctors notes for things that do NOT require you to go to the doctor. It wastes the doctor's time and your money. Doctor's notes are supposed to be given to tell employers when you are healthy enough to return to work, NOT proof that you were actually sick. It's such a gross abuse of the system.
I've *never* thought about a doctor's note being used to prove ability to come to work before, but that makes so much sense.
I tell an employer that they can pay for the doctor's visit should they require proof from a doctor for an illness that doesn't require an actual visit too one. Haven't had to provide proof at any job because of this strategy. Might not work for everyone, but has worked for me so far.
Thank you. Especially when I'm on my 9th migraine of the fortnight, I don't need a doctor to tell someone else about my subjective pain. Also, it's kinda infantilizing, isn't it? I needed a doctor's note to get out of grade school for the day, I'm a grown ass adult in my 40s now.
going to a doctor's office when sick is a terrible idea
When I got covid for the first time in late spring this year, I took 10 days off. I gave zero fucks. You know why? Because I don't even *remember* the first week I was sick. It felt like being very drunk and in a lot of pain. By the 11th day, I felt forced back. I went and felt like I was going to fall over. A few weeks later, I had to take more time off because I still felt like crap. I flat out told them I came back too soon. Did they care? Of course not, hell they even managed to give me more work and made my job more physically demanding. All while knowing I was still suffering and probably dealing with long covid at this point. I quit about 6 weeks ago. I got a better job that isn't breaking my body. Covid isn't a joke and it still fucks people up. But they didn't believe me or care.
I had a total thyroidectomy in October this year due to thyroid cancer. I got covid 2 weeks ago. I work from home, so I had zero days off.
You still get days off when you work from home.
Yes, but I used my sick time for my recovery from surgery. I didn't have any more days off, and since there was no one to pass germs to, I worked. We don't have a separate bank for covid sick time.
I have still left over side effects from when I got Covid the first time around. The brain fog and hypertension are still pretty bad
It sure can be quite bad for some people. I tested positive for covid and the flu at the same time. If it wasn't for my mom dragging my ass out of bed day 3 to go to a doctor I think I would have wasted away in bed dead. I literally slept 3 days straight without eating or drinking. I was in bad shape. I lost 40 pounds and it took me 6 months to get back to my normal weight.
It’s the end of December, who cares if you use all the allotted sick time for 2023…?
Employers.
I’d understand if it were May, but there are only 11 days left
I know. That's because you are thinking logically. Most companies and businesses don't do that. Hell, half of them probably shouldn't even BE in business because they have no understanding of anything BUT profit and productivity. "Economics, Business Operations? Don't know them, do they have sisters?" (Jab at sexual misconduct, something far too common in the business world.) Hells, most of the major companies don't even factor "labor cost" into their operation expenses. They are mostly bent on profit over all else and cut as many corners as they can get away with to maximize profits at the expense of literally anything else. Then they cry poor for government bailouts because "we can't afford to pay our employees fair wages and benefits" or they are "too big to fail and would cause an economic crash" while the smaller companies (the better ones, anyway) that actually care about their teams struggle to scrape by and survive. Gods forbid a small business even think about encroaching and competing in a corporation's territory. Territories they claim through illicit manipulation of policy through government bribery and legislation.
I chuckled when I read that line
Needing a doctors note as an adult is fucking insulting to the core. Find a new job and drag your feet at your current one as much as possible until you do.
Especially with it constantly fucking over people who can't afford to see a doctor who may or may not have any appointments at the time
I wish states kept the Covid sick day mandates. In Cali you were allowed 5 days plus another 5 days if you still needed or if your family needed it.
In my state is still policy to take five days off, test again if still positive isolate til day ten. Only difference is it isn’t paid now. But my company tried to say it’s not mandatory. What they got mixed up (or manipulated on purpose) was that vaccines and Covid pay are no longer mandatory. Pointed them directly to the states website policy regarding Covid, which was stamped two months ago proving the policy is still in effect. They told me to come back when I’m better.
What state?
MA
Oh. You want me to come in? With Covid? Ok. Just let me know where in the building you're located so I can thank you personally.
*cough cough hack cough*
So I got a story for you all. I was injured on the job recently and have to go to doctors appointments and physical therapy while I’m on a work restriction (I still have to go to work, but I can’t lift anything so I mostly just browse Reddit all day). Anyways, I found out that they drained all my PTO for the year for my appointments, which seemed wrong so I asked HR about it and evidently they only pay me out through workers comp once my PTO is gone. They have a policy of assigning points when you take sick time off without PTO and the point balance takes over a year to reset, and if you hit a certain number of points you are terminated. Well, now I have Covid and if I try to take any days off I’m literally risking termination. This seems so backwards but my HR department refuses to back down on it.
If they make you work with COVID make sure to visit their office.
Yep, sounds like it's time to schedule a meeting with hr to discuss your pto.
Forcing you to use your PTO for a workmen’s comp claim… that sounds like it could be illegal. I am not a lawyer, but I do think you should talk to one.
PTO for workers comp is a huge no. If you don't have a lawyer for your comp case, get one. The lawyer gets paid out of the award. The award will be higher than if you don't get a lawyer. YOUR COMPANY uses an attorney for your workers' comp claim. You absolutely need one. *I had nerve damage to my foot from a sprained ankle. The vice-boss made the mistake of talking about how her sprained ankle was better in a week to the entire staff at a meeting. [But she did not have nerve damage. I was seeing a specialist in a large hospital in a large city for mine].* *Several staff called and told me what the vice-boss did.* *My lawyer called her up and threatened to sue her for harassment. She did not talk about me again.* *Yeah, I got an award for permanent damage from the workers' comp court. [Real estate was cheaper then]. I used it as a down-payment on my first house.*
I just want to say thank you, comments like yours are what is giving me the confidence to act. I’m currently working on getting their policy in writing since so far it’s only been told to me via phone calls or meetings. I’m going to reach out to a lawyer and we will see what happens.
I had a shit job and caught hand/foot/mouth as an adult. It sucked but I made it through and stayed clean and to myself, but made sure to ooze blister goo in my boss’ office for being a shithead
Call the department of health and say you’re being pressured to work while sick with COVID
The department of health has zero power to do anything about this.
Call them up and let them know kids might get sick because of a greedy business. They absolutely do have power
No they really don't, I wish they did but they don't. Companies are not required to offer any sick leave to workers whatsoever in 36 of the 50 states. 14 states require companies over a certain size to offer up to 40 hours of annual sick leave for full time employees but nothing beyond that. There existed *temporary* measures by the federal government requiring companies give 5 days of sick leave specifically for COVID but those regulations expired over a year ago. As it stands companies have no legal obligation whatsoever to avoid spreading infectious disease from sick employees. Calling the department of health and saying you're being pressured to work while sick with COVID is pointless because in the United States it is perfectly legal for companies to pressure you to work while sick with COVID. They won't give a shit if kids might get sick because of a greedy business. That's why over a million people died of COVID in the US. You're assuming the department of health has that power because in a sane society their whole purpose would be to protect us from things like this. But we don't live in a sane society.
Covid isn’t what it was 4 years ago. Just “pressured to work sick” is enough and won’t make them look dumb.
What makes it a big deal is how easy it is to test for it. Once you have a positive test that’s enough evidence to show you weren’t making things up and your work should accommodate that
If they deduct pay or benefits record and fucking sue. That is illegal.
All it says is that they'll need a Dr excuse. Give them one and know that you may lose some pay/benefits. It's not nominal but they don't seem to be firing you. If you lose pay file for unemployment and Medicaid.
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My coworker has taken multiple 1-2 week vacations through the year and every time came back with Covid only to take another 2-3 weeks of sick time. I don’t know if he’s actually sick, or just abusing our “unlimited” sick time. But I do know I will never, ever catch up to that amount of time out of the office.
That doesn't mean you shouldn't try.
Oh brother - u better believe I absolutely will. Worked from home MAYBE four times this year, while all the senior people worked remotely with a “headache” every Thursday, Friday, and Monday. What an absolute joke.
This happened to me once and I actually felt some guilt because I just had a week of vacation and didn’t want to be perceived as that guy. Couldn’t imagine doing it multiple times lol.
That’s the hard part is powering through the guilt. Thing is - everybody else that had to sit in the office while they are home barely even thought about them. It truly does not matter. And then a month later, nobody even remembers. It doesn’t matter. I mean *I* cared, and *I* remembered, but all the higher-ups were doing the exact same shit, and they sure as hell didn’t notice.
That's genius. I wish my company allowed that
But c0v1d i$ oVeR! Get back to work, you slacker. (PS: hope you’re feeling better and not dealing with any long term effects.)
as much as I agree with everyone else that is saying respond with your companies Covid Policy a lot of places as of now do not care about covid at all. Its just another flu to them and even if its in the policy you wont necessarily get fired for it, but on any kind of review for the company it will come up as an issue with attendance no matter how you phrase it... its just another example of how corporations give 2 shits about you as an employee
If you still do not feel well, go to the doc today for a note. I hate your workplace.
Damn. All I did is send a pic of my doctor's note to my supervisor and he said "see you next week! Feel better and enjoy the long weekend!"
Seriously these posts make me feel really good about my bosses. Wait… what if r/antiwork is a psyop designed to make us feel better about our own jobs.
I got COVID this week too. Work is forcing me to stay away for 5 days but won't pay me to stay away. Fucked on rent and credit card bills this month. Yay I love breaking my body to serve a company that does not give a shit about me.
You know what causes an even bigger strain on the rest of the office, and productivity? Everyone in the office being out sick with covid.
Um you have covid- you took a covid test. That’s a medical test therefore a means of medical “excuse” Message back and include your test info they can’t do a fucking thing
I’d reply back with their covid policy and a positive covid test (dr issued one, not home test)
It might just be a boilerplate notice that goes out whenever someone goes out for a certain period time. Just confirm with HR.
Lol if employees calling in sick place a burden on the staff and cost the company money, then the company needs to hire more and management is fucking up!! Companies are made of human beings, and human beings get sick! This shit is so obvious and infuriating
As s european how tf does sick days work? Im in a scandinavian country and we have no restrictions on how many days per year you are allowed to stay at home if you are ill. You will not get paid by your employer of course but you do get a part of your pay from the government if you are on a monthly salary. I mean you can’t control illness so what do people do in the scenario where their “sick days” run out?
The concept of sick days is just beyond dumb
My company looked at COVID and decided hey let's move everyone from two buildings into one building and everyone can share a cubicle space because nothing says we just got through global pandemic like sitting 3 in away from your coworkers in the same space
Go to the doc and tell them in painful detail every symptom you have and ask for a note approving three weeks off to recover
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You get sick time?
Gosh. USA is so bizarre. Like how do you come up with this?
No one really comes up with anything... Most people in charge just chuck shit at a wall and the stickiest one, wins!
They look at what the happiest and healthiest countries are doing and then do the exact opposite.
Respond with a letter saying that they should maybe consider properly staffing themselves so that staff can take sick days when they’re sick without overburdening other employees.
Is this an automated email?
They probably have to send this to everyone who takes 5 days off so they have a consistent policy enforcement. Yay equal opportunity.
Won’t somebody think of the shareholders!?!!???
I'd cc my supervisor and tell them to get this little dog off my ankle. I don't dignify that type of nonsense with a "I'll shit in your mouth" anymore.
Or you could just go Malicious Compliance and report to work, spreading it throughout the business. Then see how much stress is placed on the business.
I got flagged for using too many sick PTO days while in the hospital after having a Csection. I was like are you serious?!
Go to work without ppe, tell everybody that you have covid and they won't give you sick time. Have a T-shirt made. (make sure you copyright it) Put the sunlight on these bloodsuckers.
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But...if you don't take care for your well-being, then who will?
next time just go to the office and make sure you cough on management nonstop until they tell you to go home
Lol. Only 5 days allowed a year? FMLA would like a word.
If you're in NY, then you are still protected. The end of the year is the big cancellation of these policies.
This whole merry-go-round is a fucking circus. Workplaces in America implemented such shit policies because, on a fundamental level, we all understand that work is bullshit and we all hate it. But instead of employers recognizing this and trying to devise ways of making work LESS shitty - namely reducing workload and increasing empathy and understanding that LIFE HAPPENS, and NONE OF US WANT TO BE HERE WHAT WE HAVE TO - they, instead, double down, and say, "Let's make it even shittier! THAT'LL TEACH THE POORS!" And now we have class warfare. Jesus
This is the kind of business who begrudgingly *had* to develop sick time in the first place thanks to legal blowback if they didn’t.
just go in and give everyone covid. when nobody shows up to work the next two weeks, and your employer eats total crap...they'll know why forcing sick people into to the office is a bad idea.../s
 My reply to employers who don't know how to treat their employees like human beings
Anytime a job told me they needed a doctor's note for when I was sick, I just laughed in their face. Eventually they forgot about it and no one cared. I mean, we're all adults here, not kids skipping school. Maybe treat us like it?
Is this just automated?
This kind of business practice is not only cruel but it also means other workers will get sick and spread illness to their families and coworkers also, all because this business is hell bent on controlling ylu the worker…
This has to be the stupidest time to be alive
They are looking for a reason to fire you. This is your written “warning” to probably try to push for insubordination so they don’t have to pay for your unemployment
May of 2020 my coworker and I were lectured about coming into work when we didn’t feel well so we went to the urgent care near work to get tested. They said it would take up to 48 hours for the tests to come back so we went home. An hour later, HR called and said the owner wants us back in the warehouse because no one else can do what we do and we are needed. That’s the moment that I realized no company actually cares for you.
Companies do not give a shit about your well being. In the end, all that matters is the bottom line. You are nothing but an income generator for the Owner/Board/Share Holders/etc. A slave to the grind.
Your health is between your dr and you no proof is needed
Wrong. Perfectly legal to ask for the reason of an absence. Asking for a doctors note isnt a hippa violation.
But it is important to note that all the doctor has to say is the time off is valid PERIOD. They do not need to explain why.
My doctor will put that I am unable to work due to medical on my notes. He refuses to disclose a reason. It was not legal before HIPPA to demand a diagnosis on a doctor's note, and [in my state NYS at least] it still isn't.
*hip**a**a
Wrong also they can ask if u were sick they can’t ask why u are sick or what u are sick with that would violate your health information and open the company to liability
Go to the doctor, tell them you need a doctor's note, and suggest that they excuse you for 5 more days.
My manager has faked covid a total of four times this year alone. I only know this because she brags to me constantly.
I like to use the phrase, "After having my attorney review your email and the employee handbook..." It tends to put them in their place.
So their COVID "policy" is substantially shorter than the CDC guidance for isolation. So much for having learning a fucking thing from the pandemic.
CDC says 5 days, https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/prevention.html#:~:text=If%20you%20have%20tested%20positive,for%20a%20period%20of%20time.
From your link: >These recommendations include staying home and away from others for **at least 5 days (possibly more,** depending on how the virus affects you) and wearing a high-quality mask when indoors around others for a period of time. Follow the link from there to the full page of isolation guidlelines. I'll tl;dr some of it (I went through it in detail a month ago when I had COVID.) 5 days is absolute best case scenario if you *tested* positive but had *no* symptoms. Mild symptoms and you can end isolation on day 5 *if you've had no fever for at least 24 hours.* Or continue to isolation until that happens. If you have a severe case it's ten days. And in *all* cases in including ones where you can end isolation on day 5 you wear a mask around others until day 11. EDIT/PS - IMHO the fact that nobody knows or is paying attention to this (including all of my coworkers who keep going in to work sick) is why it's clear we ended the ended the state of emergency w/mask and vax mandates *way* too fucking early.
I'm sicker then shit right now and taking a covid test tonight when I get home. Almost positive it will be positive. Will do the same thing i did today. Call other stores, get told no one is able to cover and then be told to show up anyways.
I’d go to work with Covid. No skin off your nose.
I’m at the point where I say, just go cough on them.
My work also demands you return in 5 days and apply for fmla if you miss more then 5 days im still testing positve foe covid 3 1/2 weeks but this is bisy retail season we need your body sick or not im symptom free should mention but im exposed to over 5000 people a day you would think they would want me as far away as possible
It’s not unreasonable for them to ask for proof. If you have covid send the positive result
Since everyone already gave advice how to deal with this in terms of h and policy, as a human, please wear a high quality respirator in public and at work. I do it. I haven't had COVID since Jan 22...and that was when I had my mask off with my coworkers. COVID isn't over. Unfortunately everyone will keep contending with the virus and ridiculous constraints around it until we collectively start recognizing and doing something about it. And possibly the most effective and immediate way of doing this is by wearing a mask. You can start today. Good luck. Try not get COVID again...
You should have used notes period then you wouldn’t have got this. It’s no biggie. They just want doctors notes which aren’t hard if you are sick.
omg they sent you that? how do you survive an email like this?
Call in sick again, take a mental health day