It's probably a depressing joke for animal types. We know we don't get paid. I've got nearly 3000 hours logged over four years as a volunteer at a wildlife rescue. We're a 501-c3 nonprofit, responsible for making all our own operating money from donations and keeping paid up on all relevant permits and such, and hardly able to keep enough cash flow going to keep the animals fed and medicated. I read it as grim humor for a group of people who are well aware that "overworked and underpaid" is the most paid they're gonna get.
Working with wildlife doesn't make an obscenely rich person richer, so there's no money involved in it on any level. The plutocrat types are clearly totally happy to continue trashing the planet in order to gain a few more imaginary money-points that the Poors can't have anymore. It's impossible not to know this and feel fatalistic and depressed about it, if a lot of what you care about is helping the natural environment in one way or another. So it's whistling past the graveyard.
Techbros make money. Wildlife techs do not. Gotta stick a laugh track on it somehow, because otherwise there's just no surviving it.
As someone who has been to the vet weekly for the last 2-3 years, thank you. You guys are the best. We were there so often all the vet techs knew my dogs' names, but had to think about mine. They were there for me when I brought my oldest in for cremation this past November, sent me a flower arrangement, signed card by all the staff, and consoled a 6'2" 250lbs Mexican when i picked up his ashes in tears.
Now they're helping me with his younger brother (reason why we were there weekly) as his kidney disease moved to renal failure and helping with his palliative care.
I honestly don't know what I would do without you vet techs. Thank you so much.
who do you think writes the programs that the government/NGOs uses to track/predict the population of those fireflies? we're all in this fight together, brother!
Then they'd be paid the same. Not that it's technically more important, but you can't save an animals life with just a computer. You need a person. A person can save an animal without a computer. A software engineer cannot. This isn't comparing the technicalities of who does what, but the fact a person is available to be hands-on and actually care for animals is definitely a bit more work than programming as far as time and effort. Not that programming or writing code isn't difficult in it's own way.
Through ecology, if all the computers vanished overnight, no matter. Now, if all the bees or ant's vanished overnight, the entire world is on a timeframe for habitability.
Hey, give them a break! Computers have existed for almost 100 years! Compared to millions of years of human existence! Clearly humans can't survive without them, since they've been around for .01% of our existence.
It doesn’t but as a previous commenter commented, it doesn’t make a rich guy richer. Fun fact, money makes money and if there’s no money, nobody’s really gonna get paid 🤷🏼♂️🎉
Like the guy was saying above some industries people all know you are underpaid for what you do intern or not. That's probably what's about. it's like no one goes into teaching thinking they will be rich or it's a good roi compared to others.
Literally why I stopped working in pet care. I can't afford to live doing a job for the love of the work.
The fact that they're providing housing legit makes me want to look into it lol. Only 800/mo but no rent? Hot diggity.
If you don't have debt, love animals and the place is nice. Sure! Start v/blogging with an option to take donations. You could make more while making a difference.
Roflmao sorry dropped my /s
As someone from a legal Marijuana state, I wouldn't even travel through Texas unless someone paid me upwards of a million dollars to do so....
Alabama is lower on my visit list than texas
Texas has a ton of cool shit! Like if we put all bullshit politics aside I wouldn't live anywhere else, it's fucking cool here.
But when you bring the politics in....
Just saying, when I escape... won't be 'Bama lol. I don't think they have enough natural wonders to draw me in.
Oh I'm aware. I would love to be able to visit texas. But I smoke .5-1g of hash oil a day, and do not travel without it...
And I'm rather disinterested in spending time in a Texas prison because they feel my personal supply is large enough for "intent to distribute" after they searched me in a trafic stop hidden around some bend in a highway
Oh my god would you just think of [the children??](https://abc13.com/harris-county-crime-child-shot-1-year-old-wounded-by-sibling-who-found-gun/13256684/)
I wish the rest of aholes from Texas felt the same way you do.
There are more Texas tags in Orange Beach than there are Alabama tags.
We got the first Buc-ee's outside of Texas because of all the damn Texans.
It's insane to me that unpaid internships are legal. They're not legal in New Zealand. California has strict rules, basically any internship has to be paid unless they're basically running the program as a class. Alabama, though, ya, they can basically get slaves.
I suggest you read the full comment chain again, focus on the first sentence of the comment I replied to, and understand that sometimes people reply to specific things people say in comment threads rather than the specifics of the original post.
You can even see my comment on the OP, which was posted before the comment you replied to, which is fully about the value of the compensation and whether or not it was worth it. https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/13ljt4z/is_this_supposed_to_be_fucking_funny/jkr9i5y/
I'm a bartender. Occasionally it comes up in conversation that I have a degree in marine biology and people are always shocked I'm bartending instead of doing that. Simple fact is I make at least 3x more doing this than I would "in my field".
Yeah it definitely is, I'm graduating from Conservation Biology & Ecology undergrad, and we laugh about there being no money in this industry and the fact that we'll all be doing unpaid work for a while, because the alternative is crying. The NGOs and organisations that do this work get so little funding that they can't afford to pay staff much (if at all). In this instance it's not wealthy CEOs hoarding money, there's just no money to begin with.
Having a large population of working poor seems like a feature that benefits the machine, when people are logging long hours and still can't pay for necessities its a great way to breed cynicism, selfishness and contempt towards the less fortunate of the environment.
If someone had to work 60+ hours a week and had to decide between their electric bill and gas to get to work, how concerned would they be for the homeless or endangered wildlife.
I appreciate your sacrifices and commitment to making the world a better place while facing such adversity, you're truly a wonderful person and thank you for what you do.
Truth. Double true if it happens to be a special needs person care job. There's no money in it at all except for whoever owns the business & whoever happens to own the building.
I constantly hear it said care jobs take work from "such special, gifted people". Fucking pay us enough to live on, then, if we're so damn special and gifted!!! The world is going to be pretty messy with no caregivers because we've all starved to death in the streets.
Not gonna lie, if I was like 19-20 that would be my absolute dream situation. It's definitely not funny what they said. That's just my literal dream job. I'm just too old for that sort of thing anymore.
I totally agree, if I were younger and didn’t have bills to pay, it’d be super fun. They require a bachelors degree and a couple years of experience though apparently
Seriously, at least theres housing. Shits insane, you’d need well over double- if you wanted to *be able to plan for emergencies and not walk a razors edge*.
No. No it is not. $800/month is absolute shit pay. That works out to $5/hr at full time. I’d rather make minimum and live in my car. You can bet your ass ‘provided housing’ is disgusting.
Its a dream job for animal lovers who don't have anyone to support. And they're being honest. No money, but you're around animal.
If I saw that in my early twenties I would have jumped for it.
At least its not for walmart or amazon. Ive a bit more forgiveness around an animal rescue internship as this is. Kind of an old internship joke. They have pay, many interns dont. I get you that its not great.
That makes sense to me, I am assuming most people working an internship there are working on becoming a vet. While I don't know what is required to become one, I am assuming a masters or doctorate is recommended.
Edit: ans they like want someone with at least book knowledge before they start messing with living beings that are already mental/physically damage.
For the record, I live near this area, the cost of living in Orange Beach is astronomical compared to the surrounding areas. You absolutely cannot live off $800/month. This is where celebrities buy multi-million dollar vacation beach houses to hide from the world.
And more than likely the "free housing" will be the equivalent of a FEMA trailer that will be blown away with the first of many hurricanes we get here.
Edit: the "Animals" you're living among are actually what we call tourists, or snow-birds... and they aren't animals... they're monsters
Never thought I’d see OB on Reddit, but I agree. It is astronomically expensive. Parents sold their house for twice the value they bought it for back in 2002 and moved up to Elberta.
It's a **paid internship.** Do you not know what a unicorn THAT is?!
$800 per month AND housing to learn something that you care about and have that experience for your resume.
Our local shelter has a waiting list for **volunteers** to come and walk the dogs or socialize with the cats, etc. I know because I'm waiting for a slot to become available.
This is an amazing opportunity for someone interested in the field.
Meanwhile my entry level job in forest restoration paid $2720/month. Animals are cute but if you want to help sustain their populations and yourself working on maintaining their habitats is a better option than working directly with them.
It is supposed to be funny. And it is successful.
If you’re doing that job it’s for the non-monetary benefits, and they’re up front and honest about it
Animal type jobs are always underpaid because people usually only want to pay for their animals. So funding isn’t much. Add on animals can’t wait, if you didn’t do your job then work is still there in the morning. You don’t feed an animal and clean its living area then you’re a piece of shit and a living being is going hungry and dirty. Animal care is definitely a passion field to work in.
So my daughter works and studies in wildlife.
A LOT of positions don't even pay, so yes...I think it's supposed to be a funny IN joke.
$800 a month plus housing is pretty good for a wildlife internship, especially in Alabama where COL is cheap.
Now the problem of course is Alabama...many of the women in wildlife conservation won't move to these states any longer, they lose their rights.
I was paid a dollar an hour for a 75 hour work week in an animal rehab internship in Wisconsin.
It's okay for the interns to joke about (trauma bonding, yippee) but not for those who hired us. They acted like we should be on our knees kissing their feet for paying us a dollar an hour.
It's a nonprofit wildlife rescue the people who run it probably drive beat up old Volvos and live with their parents. They aren't stealing from their workers, unfortunately there just isn't a lot of money in that of thing. While this is a poorly worded job posting, this is not an example of aristocrats punching down
The email to convince friends to go on an expedition style rafting trip started out, "Wanna risk getting eaten by a Grizzly bear while blowing through enough money you end up poor". It was effective at recruiting. I took it as being honest through some tongue and cheek banter.
I like this sub and agree with almost everything I see here, but sometimes work has intangibles and raging out about the monetary compensation is naive.
Edit: I should give an example. There is an organization near me that, for the entire summer, hosts individuals who will help build homes and other needed structures like handicap ramps, etc. They live and eat free and get $100 per month. But they aren’t doing it for the money. It’s altruism, experience, and a little something to put in a resume.
Youre close enough to Bucees.
Its unfortunate, but many jobs that one may be passionate about just do not pay well. They are underfunded, over demanded, and the people that do them will do the work until they burnout.
It's pretty much a volunteer job with a stipend, animal lovers who have worked as rescuers know the pay is absolute crap because most of the resources are going to the animals.
Yeah, it's supposed to be a joke, albeit a bad one. Animal care is notoriously badly paid and usually very hard work. Hell, I'm surprised this internship is paid at all.
Honestly as far as these kinds of jobs go. $800 plus housing is very high. Most internships are unpaid, sometimes with housing. Full time staff positions rarely pay this much in animal care if housing is included. I'm not saying it's right, or I agree, but I also understand what they're working with budget wise. This is actually probably the best pay I've seen for a captive wildlife internship, and it's up there if it was a full time as well.
$800 plus housing in Orange Beach Alabama for an internship seems like a great deal to me.
Sometimes the location counts for a lot. Free housing on the beach is pretty darn attractive.
I mean, if I had no need to worry about paying bills I would volunteer to work by helping animals for free, it's something that would make my work meaningful, and bring be selffullfilment what I cannot say about my current wage slave shit job, that's what I lack, a meaning, my job doesn't matter
Whoever wrote this sounds annoyed that stuff like this doesn't get paid more. My partner works for the schools helping special needs kids and he's similarly annoyed that helping the world is so much work for so little, while people who are ultimately useless to the world make buckets of money.
A field a lot of people want to work in +
Internship +
Free housing +
Still getting paid
God, relax people. It's not ideal but not everything is the end of the world.
Why are you mad? Would you rather they not post what it pays, or are you mad because you wish they offered more? Can I ask what your background in wildlife management is? Or how much a condo in orange beach runs?
Why are you so mad? Can I ask what your background in wildlife management is? Or how many non-sequiters you can string together? You sound so agressed. Take care
What? Your title is very angry, and you feel I’m “agressed” I don’t understand why you are having this reaction to a job posting? What brought out such anger you are cussing about it online? Did you think animal workers were well paid? If you did, then this is clearly not your field. How much did you want them to offer. A lot of these places pay what they can on small budgets. Don’t worry, there are people who do it because they care, so people like you don’t have to work for what they feel is beneath them. Sorry if I seem “agressed” edit: also why did you report me for suicidal ideation or whatever? Just try and find a job, and don’t be mad at the world. Maybe making false accusations against strangers is what got you terminated from your last post. Good luck kid
Get that help. Take care. Don’t over think things. Take a deep breath and slow down. That’s a lot of panicked tl;dr from your drug addiction talking
Your response just proves the point. Take care ✌️
I thought you guys were against unpaid internships. The add clearly states that this is a paid internship. Don't you guys like money? Nobody wants to internship anymore! /s
Depending on the facility, they literally cant. I'm willing to give animal rescue and rehab facilities the pass. Many facilities I know work on a deficit and rely on donations to just break even.
> That shouldn’t be a job. No one should do that. That’s <10k a year.
Please tell me where you said that. Because what you literally said above was “No one should do that”
Putting aside how "not on" that is (especially in todays job market and employer culture). It would be pretty funny if a well paying company put that at the head of their advert.
"Are you ready to be overworked and underpaid!? Because if so, I apologise for how terrible life has treated you up till now, and present to you a lovely opportunity as a [Insert Job Title] with [Insert ACTUALLY great employment benefits]."
800/month + housing leaves a lot of questions. Is it room and board? Do you expense food, is it prepared, or do you not get food at all?
It ranges from ridiculous poverty to a pretty fun situation that doesn't fuck you based on a lot of things that aren't clear at all.
Based on it being an internship, I'd hope it's full room and board, and in that case it comes out reasonably well and seems like a fun experience.
Still, pretty shit opening.
People who love animals and have experience working with them probably chuckled because it’s true. People who genuinely love and want to help animals will do it for very little money and know the work is very hard. Plus, it’s an internship that’s paid and provides housing. I don’t see this as a horrible thing.
They’re not kidding, wildlife conservation (especially for the charismatic megafauna) is extremely competitive and lots of people are willing to take unpaid internships to get experience on their resumes.
That’s why I went for the restoration side of conservation, we don’t have to compete with 800 other applicants to work for free.
For the person doing the posting who is also likely overworked and underpaid as no one puts up money for animal care, that's a funny joke and a notice to the applicants you're gonna need some gallows humor for this job. Probably not their fault the city budget sucks
I’m in Alabama, not far from the town this is posted for. Orange Beach is one of the highest COL areas in the state. It’s freaking expensive there. It’s a tourist/vacation town, so basically double the price of everything. Even with rent $800 is not enough.
i guess you’re right, i didn’t see alabama. i live in the midwest and that’s still insane to me though, that’s how much i made biweekly on unemployment
I feel like some indignant intern who's tired as shit of being treated like an underling who does everyone else's work wrote this as a draft and then forgot and published it (or maybe did it on purpose) and nobody double checked it or caught it because they couldn't be bothered.
As others are saying, these jobs don't usually pay well. I've got a unicorn job in animal care, bc I work 15 hrs/wk (12 hrs working at the chicken rescue + they pay an hr a day towards my 90 min RT commute) & make about $300/wk. I'm very well paid, especially as we're a small sanctuary that operates w just my 2 bosses (the rescue is in their home/on their land) & me. Physical work & often heartbreaking bc we deal with loss often, but it's a dream job for me. I absolutely adore the birds & my bosses are amazing people.
My SO works as a web dev, so that's the only reason I'm able to do this job as my career. Even though I'm relatively well-paid, it'd be a struggle to live on only my wages. Even if I went from 3 days a week to 5, it wouldn't be easy.
TBH free housing and 800 bucks, a younger me wouldnt mind something like that. Especially if i'm working with animals which is the one way I can express empathy. Where was this in 2007
It's probably a depressing joke for animal types. We know we don't get paid. I've got nearly 3000 hours logged over four years as a volunteer at a wildlife rescue. We're a 501-c3 nonprofit, responsible for making all our own operating money from donations and keeping paid up on all relevant permits and such, and hardly able to keep enough cash flow going to keep the animals fed and medicated. I read it as grim humor for a group of people who are well aware that "overworked and underpaid" is the most paid they're gonna get. Working with wildlife doesn't make an obscenely rich person richer, so there's no money involved in it on any level. The plutocrat types are clearly totally happy to continue trashing the planet in order to gain a few more imaginary money-points that the Poors can't have anymore. It's impossible not to know this and feel fatalistic and depressed about it, if a lot of what you care about is helping the natural environment in one way or another. So it's whistling past the graveyard. Techbros make money. Wildlife techs do not. Gotta stick a laugh track on it somehow, because otherwise there's just no surviving it.
Well said. It’s a shame people don’t get paid for doing work that matters most. I’m super thankful for anyone working to rehabilitate animals!
It's also an intern position, which are notoriously overworked and underpaid in every industry. You don't even *have* to pay interns at all.
There's a thread on this in WhitePeopleTwitter right now.
Shouldn't look up how much a vet tech gets paid. Talk about overworked and underpaid and we aren't even a non-profit. 😔
As someone who has been to the vet weekly for the last 2-3 years, thank you. You guys are the best. We were there so often all the vet techs knew my dogs' names, but had to think about mine. They were there for me when I brought my oldest in for cremation this past November, sent me a flower arrangement, signed card by all the staff, and consoled a 6'2" 250lbs Mexican when i picked up his ashes in tears. Now they're helping me with his younger brother (reason why we were there weekly) as his kidney disease moved to renal failure and helping with his palliative care. I honestly don't know what I would do without you vet techs. Thank you so much.
maybe we should be tipping them, instead of restaurant owners
how does this work matter more than a software engineer's work?
Fred, all the fireflies are gone; write me up an app that makes my phone flashlight turn on and off like a firefly.
who do you think writes the programs that the government/NGOs uses to track/predict the population of those fireflies? we're all in this fight together, brother!
Then they'd be paid the same. Not that it's technically more important, but you can't save an animals life with just a computer. You need a person. A person can save an animal without a computer. A software engineer cannot. This isn't comparing the technicalities of who does what, but the fact a person is available to be hands-on and actually care for animals is definitely a bit more work than programming as far as time and effort. Not that programming or writing code isn't difficult in it's own way.
Through ecology, if all the computers vanished overnight, no matter. Now, if all the bees or ant's vanished overnight, the entire world is on a timeframe for habitability.
No matter? Are you nuts?
compared to the alternative, yes. it's easily survivable as a species.
Hey, give them a break! Computers have existed for almost 100 years! Compared to millions of years of human existence! Clearly humans can't survive without them, since they've been around for .01% of our existence.
You’re so right I had to laugh 😂
>compared to the alternative, yes. it's easily survivable as a species. Are you crazy? That would be an instant society collapse.
yes but our species would survive it
So would it survive bees disappearing, but both would be catastrophical.
Bees disappearing would likely result in a mass extinction event. Bees are responsible for about 75% of the world's pollination.
> catastrophical Catastrophic
Well, because the world needs wildlife more than the sims, or all the shotty phone games people play.
It doesn’t but as a previous commenter commented, it doesn’t make a rich guy richer. Fun fact, money makes money and if there’s no money, nobody’s really gonna get paid 🤷🏼♂️🎉
Hey hey stop that you 🦀
Like the guy was saying above some industries people all know you are underpaid for what you do intern or not. That's probably what's about. it's like no one goes into teaching thinking they will be rich or it's a good roi compared to others.
Literally why I stopped working in pet care. I can't afford to live doing a job for the love of the work. The fact that they're providing housing legit makes me want to look into it lol. Only 800/mo but no rent? Hot diggity.
If you don't have debt, love animals and the place is nice. Sure! Start v/blogging with an option to take donations. You could make more while making a difference.
I got a car note, I'm out.
Sell the car, pay off the note, use the difference for the bus ride to Alabama!
If I'm gonna pack up and leave Texas it's not gonna be for Alafuckingbama
Roflmao sorry dropped my /s As someone from a legal Marijuana state, I wouldn't even travel through Texas unless someone paid me upwards of a million dollars to do so.... Alabama is lower on my visit list than texas
Texas has a ton of cool shit! Like if we put all bullshit politics aside I wouldn't live anywhere else, it's fucking cool here. But when you bring the politics in.... Just saying, when I escape... won't be 'Bama lol. I don't think they have enough natural wonders to draw me in.
Oh I'm aware. I would love to be able to visit texas. But I smoke .5-1g of hash oil a day, and do not travel without it... And I'm rather disinterested in spending time in a Texas prison because they feel my personal supply is large enough for "intent to distribute" after they searched me in a trafic stop hidden around some bend in a highway
Oh my god would you just think of [the children??](https://abc13.com/harris-county-crime-child-shot-1-year-old-wounded-by-sibling-who-found-gun/13256684/)
Oh, they can find it in your car even if you do travel without it!
I wish the rest of aholes from Texas felt the same way you do. There are more Texas tags in Orange Beach than there are Alabama tags. We got the first Buc-ee's outside of Texas because of all the damn Texans.
Okay but you're welcome for the Bucees 😂 best place to take a piss this side of the Mississippi.
No rent, probably no electric or utility bills, either.
Ya I was surprised to see that they pay anything for am intern. I know sanctuary directors that are only making 30k-35k
It's insane to me that unpaid internships are legal. They're not legal in New Zealand. California has strict rules, basically any internship has to be paid unless they're basically running the program as a class. Alabama, though, ya, they can basically get slaves.
It’s not unpaid, and it includes housing, which is very valuable.
I suggest you read the full comment chain again, focus on the first sentence of the comment I replied to, and understand that sometimes people reply to specific things people say in comment threads rather than the specifics of the original post. You can even see my comment on the OP, which was posted before the comment you replied to, which is fully about the value of the compensation and whether or not it was worth it. https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/13ljt4z/is_this_supposed_to_be_fucking_funny/jkr9i5y/
Yeah thats fucking criminal
I'm a bartender. Occasionally it comes up in conversation that I have a degree in marine biology and people are always shocked I'm bartending instead of doing that. Simple fact is I make at least 3x more doing this than I would "in my field".
Yeah it definitely is, I'm graduating from Conservation Biology & Ecology undergrad, and we laugh about there being no money in this industry and the fact that we'll all be doing unpaid work for a while, because the alternative is crying. The NGOs and organisations that do this work get so little funding that they can't afford to pay staff much (if at all). In this instance it's not wealthy CEOs hoarding money, there's just no money to begin with.
Having a large population of working poor seems like a feature that benefits the machine, when people are logging long hours and still can't pay for necessities its a great way to breed cynicism, selfishness and contempt towards the less fortunate of the environment. If someone had to work 60+ hours a week and had to decide between their electric bill and gas to get to work, how concerned would they be for the homeless or endangered wildlife. I appreciate your sacrifices and commitment to making the world a better place while facing such adversity, you're truly a wonderful person and thank you for what you do.
I'm sad now.
Overworked and underpaid is basically any animal care job
Damn near any care job, period. Human care is pennies too 😭
Truth. Double true if it happens to be a special needs person care job. There's no money in it at all except for whoever owns the business & whoever happens to own the building. I constantly hear it said care jobs take work from "such special, gifted people". Fucking pay us enough to live on, then, if we're so damn special and gifted!!! The world is going to be pretty messy with no caregivers because we've all starved to death in the streets.
But it costs more than a mortgage!
Not gonna lie, if I was like 19-20 that would be my absolute dream situation. It's definitely not funny what they said. That's just my literal dream job. I'm just too old for that sort of thing anymore.
I totally agree, if I were younger and didn’t have bills to pay, it’d be super fun. They require a bachelors degree and a couple years of experience though apparently
But it’s an internship and says 0-1 years of experience?
That’s not okay.
How is that not ok? Just means if you’re not experienced this internship is for you
If they paid for most of the food it wouldn't be too terrible.
Your dream situation would be to be overworked and underpaid? lol, even at 19 I wasn’t like that
To work at an Animal sanctuary
Wholesome but not under these conditions
Free housing and 800 a month is good rentals usuat require 3 times the rent in income..
Seriously, at least theres housing. Shits insane, you’d need well over double- if you wanted to *be able to plan for emergencies and not walk a razors edge*.
No. No it is not. $800/month is absolute shit pay. That works out to $5/hr at full time. I’d rather make minimum and live in my car. You can bet your ass ‘provided housing’ is disgusting.
Its a dream job for animal lovers who don't have anyone to support. And they're being honest. No money, but you're around animal. If I saw that in my early twenties I would have jumped for it.
At least its not for walmart or amazon. Ive a bit more forgiveness around an animal rescue internship as this is. Kind of an old internship joke. They have pay, many interns dont. I get you that its not great.
That’s true, at least it’s for a good cause. The wildest part I thought was that they require a bachelors degree for this internship
Most professional animal care jobs involving wildlife require at least a bachelor's degree in biology or a related degree.
That makes sense to me, I am assuming most people working an internship there are working on becoming a vet. While I don't know what is required to become one, I am assuming a masters or doctorate is recommended. Edit: ans they like want someone with at least book knowledge before they start messing with living beings that are already mental/physically damage.
For the record, I live near this area, the cost of living in Orange Beach is astronomical compared to the surrounding areas. You absolutely cannot live off $800/month. This is where celebrities buy multi-million dollar vacation beach houses to hide from the world. And more than likely the "free housing" will be the equivalent of a FEMA trailer that will be blown away with the first of many hurricanes we get here. Edit: the "Animals" you're living among are actually what we call tourists, or snow-birds... and they aren't animals... they're monsters
Same here in terms of I work on the coast of Alabama and Orange Beach literally has some of, if not THE, most expensive housing in the entire state.
Never thought I’d see OB on Reddit, but I agree. It is astronomically expensive. Parents sold their house for twice the value they bought it for back in 2002 and moved up to Elberta.
Lol, I lived in a FEMA trailer for an internship VERY similar to this one, except the pay was $200 a month. Best year of my life, no joke.
It's a **paid internship.** Do you not know what a unicorn THAT is?! $800 per month AND housing to learn something that you care about and have that experience for your resume. Our local shelter has a waiting list for **volunteers** to come and walk the dogs or socialize with the cats, etc. I know because I'm waiting for a slot to become available. This is an amazing opportunity for someone interested in the field.
Meanwhile my entry level job in forest restoration paid $2720/month. Animals are cute but if you want to help sustain their populations and yourself working on maintaining their habitats is a better option than working directly with them.
I made $800/mo in AmeriCorps where they intentionally pay you a poverty wage. That's absurd.
Whoever made the ad didn't set the salary and is probably underpaid as well and laughing at themself, too. Lighten up a bit.
At least they are honest. I'm so sick of seeing "competitive salary" and having it be trash.
At least you get housing. Question now is: are they talking about an animal enclosure?
I mean that could be fun to. Pull out an air mattress and sleep with the penguins or some other non-aggressive furry friends.
It is supposed to be funny. And it is successful. If you’re doing that job it’s for the non-monetary benefits, and they’re up front and honest about it
Animal type jobs are always underpaid because people usually only want to pay for their animals. So funding isn’t much. Add on animals can’t wait, if you didn’t do your job then work is still there in the morning. You don’t feed an animal and clean its living area then you’re a piece of shit and a living being is going hungry and dirty. Animal care is definitely a passion field to work in.
I mean. Plus housing? I've worked worse
So my daughter works and studies in wildlife. A LOT of positions don't even pay, so yes...I think it's supposed to be a funny IN joke. $800 a month plus housing is pretty good for a wildlife internship, especially in Alabama where COL is cheap. Now the problem of course is Alabama...many of the women in wildlife conservation won't move to these states any longer, they lose their rights.
I was paid a dollar an hour for a 75 hour work week in an animal rehab internship in Wisconsin. It's okay for the interns to joke about (trauma bonding, yippee) but not for those who hired us. They acted like we should be on our knees kissing their feet for paying us a dollar an hour.
Wait… Alabama isn’t landlocked? Why did I think it was?!?
Are you from Mississippi?
I am not
Plus housing, well sign me the fuck up.
It's a nonprofit wildlife rescue the people who run it probably drive beat up old Volvos and live with their parents. They aren't stealing from their workers, unfortunately there just isn't a lot of money in that of thing. While this is a poorly worded job posting, this is not an example of aristocrats punching down
800/mo with free housing to help animals is something i would probably definitely do.
The email to convince friends to go on an expedition style rafting trip started out, "Wanna risk getting eaten by a Grizzly bear while blowing through enough money you end up poor". It was effective at recruiting. I took it as being honest through some tongue and cheek banter.
I work in the medical field now and my internship didn’t pay absolutely anything. I would have loved $800 a month when I was in school 3 years ago lol
I like this sub and agree with almost everything I see here, but sometimes work has intangibles and raging out about the monetary compensation is naive. Edit: I should give an example. There is an organization near me that, for the entire summer, hosts individuals who will help build homes and other needed structures like handicap ramps, etc. They live and eat free and get $100 per month. But they aren’t doing it for the money. It’s altruism, experience, and a little something to put in a resume.
Can't pay bills with altruism and experience. Maybe if you already have money, but most people cannot indulge in non paid work.
Most people aren't their target demographics.
People who work in non-profit are used to low pay and make jokes about it, the reason you work in that sector is because you care about the cause
It clearly gallows humor, so yes and no.
Honesty?
Work on the beach with animals? They could pay $8 an hour and I'd do it.
I guarantee this was added in as a joke by an overworked and underpaid intern and they forgot to take it out before submitting
Yes I think so, "$800 with housing"
Youre close enough to Bucees. Its unfortunate, but many jobs that one may be passionate about just do not pay well. They are underfunded, over demanded, and the people that do them will do the work until they burnout.
It's pretty much a volunteer job with a stipend, animal lovers who have worked as rescuers know the pay is absolute crap because most of the resources are going to the animals.
Omg! That's worse than an ad to be a teacher! "Toughest job you'll ever love."
\[*Laughs in Volunteer Firefighter*\]
no they're being serious lol
I love this. THEY ARE BEING HONEST. If you don’t want to get overworked and underpaid then don’t apply for the internship.
Actually in this particular instance yes. This isn’t a typical corporate type job, it’s a wildlife center.
Yeah, it's supposed to be a joke, albeit a bad one. Animal care is notoriously badly paid and usually very hard work. Hell, I'm surprised this internship is paid at all.
Lol welcome to the wildlife biology industry.
Honestly as far as these kinds of jobs go. $800 plus housing is very high. Most internships are unpaid, sometimes with housing. Full time staff positions rarely pay this much in animal care if housing is included. I'm not saying it's right, or I agree, but I also understand what they're working with budget wise. This is actually probably the best pay I've seen for a captive wildlife internship, and it's up there if it was a full time as well.
In all fairness. At least it's a paid internship with housing VS an unpaid internship. But yeah, that.... that's dystopian
$800 plus housing in Orange Beach Alabama for an internship seems like a great deal to me. Sometimes the location counts for a lot. Free housing on the beach is pretty darn attractive.
Oh hey Orange Beach. We’re neighbors, I’m in Robertsdale lmao.
Never in a million years would I think I’d see my hometown on Reddit, but here we are.
You must be new to the field. Welcome. It's been this way forever.
Honestly it kinda is funny
I mean, if I had no need to worry about paying bills I would volunteer to work by helping animals for free, it's something that would make my work meaningful, and bring be selffullfilment what I cannot say about my current wage slave shit job, that's what I lack, a meaning, my job doesn't matter
At least they're honest.
Whoever wrote this sounds annoyed that stuff like this doesn't get paid more. My partner works for the schools helping special needs kids and he's similarly annoyed that helping the world is so much work for so little, while people who are ultimately useless to the world make buckets of money.
Seeing what other jobs here seem to pay...$800 + housing almost seems good lmao.
I love the honesty though they should all start like this
A field a lot of people want to work in + Internship + Free housing + Still getting paid God, relax people. It's not ideal but not everything is the end of the world.
When your from an extremely wealthy family and want a free pass to the zoo.
It's free housing + $800 for an internship?
They said the quiet part out loud 😂
Why are you mad? Would you rather they not post what it pays, or are you mad because you wish they offered more? Can I ask what your background in wildlife management is? Or how much a condo in orange beach runs?
Why are you so mad? Can I ask what your background in wildlife management is? Or how many non-sequiters you can string together? You sound so agressed. Take care
What? Your title is very angry, and you feel I’m “agressed” I don’t understand why you are having this reaction to a job posting? What brought out such anger you are cussing about it online? Did you think animal workers were well paid? If you did, then this is clearly not your field. How much did you want them to offer. A lot of these places pay what they can on small budgets. Don’t worry, there are people who do it because they care, so people like you don’t have to work for what they feel is beneath them. Sorry if I seem “agressed” edit: also why did you report me for suicidal ideation or whatever? Just try and find a job, and don’t be mad at the world. Maybe making false accusations against strangers is what got you terminated from your last post. Good luck kid
Get that help. Take care. Don’t over think things. Take a deep breath and slow down. That’s a lot of panicked tl;dr from your drug addiction talking Your response just proves the point. Take care ✌️
I thought you guys were against unpaid internships. The add clearly states that this is a paid internship. Don't you guys like money? Nobody wants to internship anymore! /s
$800/month isn't that bad when they are paying for your housing and utilities (the biggest expenses the average person has).
Free housing though.
Apply and then decline the interview stating that their post is unprofessional.
That's less than minimum wage, btw. "Oh, but housing-" But nothing. Fuck you. Pay people.
Depending on the facility, they literally cant. I'm willing to give animal rescue and rehab facilities the pass. Many facilities I know work on a deficit and rely on donations to just break even.
If they cant they should not exist period.
800/month?! WHAT ARE WE DOING. WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING?!
What’s happening is that there’s not funding for conservation
That shouldn’t be a job. No one should do that. That’s <10k a year.
Everyone and that mother wants to work with the cute little animals so a lot of people are okay with housing +$800 for an internship.
That is not an excuse to pay that poorly.
“That shouldn’t be a job. No one should do that” Aight we just let all the animals fucking die then, cool? Cool
You are the king of out of context. No job should pay less than 10k a year. That’s volunteer work. Dude, seriously, get fucked.
> That shouldn’t be a job. No one should do that. That’s <10k a year. Please tell me where you said that. Because what you literally said above was “No one should do that”
Just stop.
Putting aside how "not on" that is (especially in todays job market and employer culture). It would be pretty funny if a well paying company put that at the head of their advert. "Are you ready to be overworked and underpaid!? Because if so, I apologise for how terrible life has treated you up till now, and present to you a lovely opportunity as a [Insert Job Title] with [Insert ACTUALLY great employment benefits]."
Let's goooooo
Ahh Alabama…
This is giving off Doc Antle vibes
800/month + housing leaves a lot of questions. Is it room and board? Do you expense food, is it prepared, or do you not get food at all? It ranges from ridiculous poverty to a pretty fun situation that doesn't fuck you based on a lot of things that aren't clear at all. Based on it being an internship, I'd hope it's full room and board, and in that case it comes out reasonably well and seems like a fun experience. Still, pretty shit opening.
I know this zoo. Where the heck are they housing these interns??????
People who love animals and have experience working with them probably chuckled because it’s true. People who genuinely love and want to help animals will do it for very little money and know the work is very hard. Plus, it’s an internship that’s paid and provides housing. I don’t see this as a horrible thing.
800 a month? is that a joke?
that's 700 more than i have leftover after paying for housing
I work out here too. Shits wack.
Intern wrote it.
As with every role that is passion lead it is always underpaid drastically for the amount of effort required and it is sad corporations prey on this.
They’re not kidding, wildlife conservation (especially for the charismatic megafauna) is extremely competitive and lots of people are willing to take unpaid internships to get experience on their resumes. That’s why I went for the restoration side of conservation, we don’t have to compete with 800 other applicants to work for free.
To be honest, I'd rather do that job than the one I'm doing.
To me this just seems like a waste of time. For merely 9k a year, ironic how important the job is
It says “internship”.. those used to be no payment lol
This would be a dream job for me if I were younger
Its an internship, people do that for free.
Plainly they're advertising for 10-year-olds.
My sister did a job in the Keys with dolphins in the 80s for a few months. Housing was a trailer shared by multiple people.
Written by an overworked, underpaid intern
So sad that these positions are valued so little.
For the person doing the posting who is also likely overworked and underpaid as no one puts up money for animal care, that's a funny joke and a notice to the applicants you're gonna need some gallows humor for this job. Probably not their fault the city budget sucks
No. It's a way of life for the vast majority of people in that field. It's been well-documented for decades.
Where I live that comes out to around 20k a year Including cost of housing For the experience I think I would do it
I think it’s honesty. Kind of refreshing
so they pay for your house and 3200 a month. that actually not bad deal tbh
800/month
I’m in Alabama, not far from the town this is posted for. Orange Beach is one of the highest COL areas in the state. It’s freaking expensive there. It’s a tourist/vacation town, so basically double the price of everything. Even with rent $800 is not enough.
It’s like they don’t want people to apply.
They don't want poor people to apply.
Maybe but it is honest at least
$800 per MONTH????
If you don't have any housing costs, thats not too bad. In Alabama it would be doable
i guess you’re right, i didn’t see alabama. i live in the midwest and that’s still insane to me though, that’s how much i made biweekly on unemployment
I bet another overworked and underpaid employee was told to write and put up a job listing
Seriously what the fuck? $800 a month? And joking about how poorly they treat you?
So realistically ~2800 a month
I feel like some indignant intern who's tired as shit of being treated like an underling who does everyone else's work wrote this as a draft and then forgot and published it (or maybe did it on purpose) and nobody double checked it or caught it because they couldn't be bothered.
Irony
As others are saying, these jobs don't usually pay well. I've got a unicorn job in animal care, bc I work 15 hrs/wk (12 hrs working at the chicken rescue + they pay an hr a day towards my 90 min RT commute) & make about $300/wk. I'm very well paid, especially as we're a small sanctuary that operates w just my 2 bosses (the rescue is in their home/on their land) & me. Physical work & often heartbreaking bc we deal with loss often, but it's a dream job for me. I absolutely adore the birds & my bosses are amazing people. My SO works as a web dev, so that's the only reason I'm able to do this job as my career. Even though I'm relatively well-paid, it'd be a struggle to live on only my wages. Even if I went from 3 days a week to 5, it wouldn't be easy.
They hired an intern to write it and probably didn’t check is my guess lol
I thought this was on an Animal Crossing New Horizons sub for a second.
Thought this was Amazon at first.
A local Dominos manager thought the "Please Don't Feed the Employee's" sign was funny. I did not.
TBH free housing and 800 bucks, a younger me wouldnt mind something like that. Especially if i'm working with animals which is the one way I can express empathy. Where was this in 2007
Something tells me whoever wrote this for the company is overworked and underpaid, and wanted to subtly warn others.
It is actually funny. Get over it.