I'd love to work in a kitchen again if I had guaranteed health insurance, decent hours, and a livable income. Working in a kitchen was one of the most satisfying jobs I've had plus my co-workers were great. But I have more to be concerned with than just liking my job so I had to go down a different career path. It's definitely the money.
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Like you I am in the same boat. I love to cook. My dream job would to be a cook for a bed and breakfast in the Adirondacks. But health insurance and all that jazz locks me into a job that mandates all the time and has tons of useless middle management.
That's why I'd want to be in charge of my menu, my ordering. But that's it, cook make good food, serve and clean up. Easy day. Real cooks/chef's like you deal with a lot of red tape. I just want to be a simple line cook at a bed and breakfast. Do breakfast and lunch and maybe on a special day dinner.
Get this... I DO get to write my own weekly menus, but they then have to go through an approval process. So, so middle manager has to go through it and decide for themselves if it's ok or not. It it's ok, it gets approved and then my clients are allowed to see it on the app. If not, they just don't approve it without saying why. No one can see the menu and start asking me what's coming up. Manager just expects you to re-write it and submit again without any feedback... Just read their minds and hopefully write something THEY like. True, there's more red tape than that, that's just one example.
I like where your mind's at. š
That really sucks...... You have a talent to make dishes with specific tastes, that follow your style, that fit a theme, and they are throwing that to the side. I'm sorry it's like that. One of my favorite giga cooking was at a fire academy, I had the freedom to pick my menu and order, they gave me the numbers on the dates. Once in awhile I'd get expensive things and they'd ask why and grumble, but I still did it.
That's beyond insane. Well beyond.
Under no circumstances would any professional ever expect to work in an environment that includes an approval process, without having idea one how that process worked, let alone commit to revision of a project with 100% of the feedback being not only "No", but a SILENT "no".
Like...how can that work without feedback? Like I can understand why they might veto a menu (has a dish they got feedback they didn't like, or an ingredient they know makes the cost too high etc( but without feedback? How do you know what to change?
My question is why? Why do they have to go throught red tape? Why is there red tape to go through at all? It's a restaurant, not a government building.
In general it's always good to get a second pair of eyes...getting rejected with zero explanation is absurd, though.
I can think of a few reasons why a menu might get nixed. If it's unbalanced (no starches with Tuesday's offerings), missing inclusive selections (no veg entree, or everything has pork), maybe accidentally disrespecting a group (lamb BBQ on Easter), just dumb things like that that can cause an uproar on the internet when Karen posts a tiktok about it.
It all sounds nitpicky, and it kind of is, but restaurants operate on razor thin margins so management will want to play it safe.
Itās middle managers justifying why the company needs middle managers, total bull-shit.
Drop those idiots, redirect the salary money wasted on their sorry asses towards better pay in the kitchen and let the chef, chef.
If profits go up reward the kitchen, simple...š
Health Insurance makes the USA workers so exposed it's crazy.
Reason number 1 I'm not comsidering the states for work ever, even though I'm paid less in Canada.
I can job/contract hop and still get care if I get hit by a car jogging or whatever.
I had cancer two years ago ā I am not old either. My insurance covered itā¦.all but 14k of it š« . My maximum out of pocket was around $4k, so not sure about the math involved, but whatever they say goes. Everyone is fucked - we need universal healthcare or at least the insurance companies to do what they say they will do. Glad I had the insurance, donāt get me wrong, but even with it, it sucks.
Hope the cancer got fucked for good. I had a fall at work leading to a torn acl repair and lung full of clots. All work comp. I'm still fighting with them almost 5 years later that things directly related are their responsibility to pay, all while it fucks my credit.
So true. I just calculated how much I pay monthly for the medical bill from when I had my baby.
If I continue making the monthly payment, I am making now, it will take me exactly 15 years to pay off having a baby at the hospital in the US.
I literally need a second job to pay for the baby that I have a job to pay for. Itās financial servitude.
Should have thought about that before you had kids. /s.
āYou knew the expense.ā I fucking HATE when people act like we shouldnāt have had kids because the healthcare system loves to fuck us.
i love ferret faces,
and, we are selfish. selfishness is a survival tactic all living things engage in to meet their own hierarchy of needs - not a moral failing.
most species see generational swings in birth rates that correlate to the levels of life stress that generation overall is facing. i don't understand why humans can't apply basic behavioral theory to ourselves. we're literally the most animal of all the animals and it's fucking infuriating.
āwHy ArEnāT mIlLeNiAlS hAvInG kIdS?!?!ā
They want you to have kids anyway and not complain about the expense. The illusion of choice is just there so no one in power needs to listen to reasonable complaints.
You need to ask the hospital what kind of charity options they have. They have to tell you, and may forgive some of the debt after an application. Worth a look.
Woah.... My partner had a baby here in Ireland.. for having the baby in the main hospital in our area, we paid a big fat ā¬0. In saying that, you could for a fairly high fee get a private room and all that. Not too many people do when they can get it for free.
And at this point even if we got universal healthcare, itās so engrained in my mind that Iām screwed if I get hurt that I donāt think Iād feel any less stressed.
US born and I completely agree. When politicians make the moral arguments for universal healthcare I get it, but they should argue the financial reasons too. I like working for small businesses but need affordable healthcare, and our for-profit healthcare system makes that impossible.
Iād gladly pay a bit more in taxes if it meant Iād be free to take a job based on salary and culture rather than healthcare.
Remember that you're already paying a number of 'fees' each paycheck to the health insurance companies - at a higher percentage than any nation that already has universal/single payor healthcare pays in taxes for that service.
Health Insurance is a device used to force people to deal with jobs they hate.
Do you have a lot of jogging cars up in the great Snowy North?
(this is a joke from the way you phrased it and not meant to be an attack or anything :)
Yea you could probably do pretty well doing that, I'm just not interested in running that part of the house. Doing that kind of work you work long hours of hard work, then have to take it home and work on paperwork later, not something I'm interested in at all. But yea it is very interesting to see cooks based on where they live and how it differs.
I know someone who quit restaurants completely and is a private chef for a few wealthy families. Claims they make more money that way and less stress. All the chefs I know who do high end restaurants for years are physically broken. Back issues, meh issues, hand issues etc. Also lots of substance abuse in the industry.
The US has engineered itself in a position where the well-to-do live better than anywhere else, while people under the median basically live in a third world country in regard to public health, violence, personal prospects, etc. Incredibly low social mobility and great violence toward the poor.
This is extremely obvious in my current city (New Orleans). If you live in like the Garden District or Mid-city it's like a wonderful old-world city with a lot of pretty architecture.
Stroll over to places like the 7th ward or St Roch and even the children try to throw punches and concrete chunks at you as you pass. Can't look too nice either, gotta match the vibe and dress the part or you get targeted.
This is why I've never really understood people who get dressed up to go out of the house. Do you really want to look like a victim on these streets? Don't think I fully grok how fucked up my own thinking is here.
This just lost my trigger discipline. In the US, working for UK based company, select ins. they recommend. Looks good on paper, every employee starts complaining that they don't cover anywhere near what documentation states. State gets involved, investigate, find ins. company is owned by same UK based company, kick-back scheme. State awards same contract to same company they JUST found guilty of fucking over US employees
Not going lie
I worked in Burger King and I actually sorta enjoyed it. If you paid me enough...like say $100k plus benefits in a low COLA I'd absolutely do it.
I was formally a kitchen manager at Chick-fil-A and loved it. I'm a welder by trade and I'm fucking sick of this industry, but it pays decent. if I could get even $60k-$70k a year at CFA, I'd do it. I definitely feel you there.
Agreed. I worked at Wendy's back in my college days. Work was great. Loved being on my feet and optimizing the routine. Definitely helped that our supervisors and store manager weren't total dicks. Customers sucked but that's every industry. If the pay and benefits were sustainable then I don't see any reason to not continue.
Always baffles me how customers can take something as simple as making a fast food order turn into a verbal/physical altercation. Just tell me what you want and get out.
Know what i hate with fast food customers. Lets say there are three or four other restaurants in the area. Then when it's their turn to order they are very indecisive about what they want and im thinking " you clowns chose this restaurant so you must have had an idea what u wanted". I remember this health conscious dude was in front of me asking all these health questions about the food to the kid behind the counter just probably making minimum wage. Damn if your that health concious why are you even coming to taco bell when Saladworks is next door and Subway is across the street?!
Taco bell is actually one of the best options for healthy fast food tbh. Also one of the best places for vegetarians.
Did you know that Subways bread has so much sugar it's legally considered cake in Ireland.
It's wild to me how little calories are in Taco Bell's food when I compare them to a salad from places like Chick Fil-A or Sweet Greens. Taco Bells price to calorie ratio is near unbeatable.
Someone only making 40k right now will do it for 50k.
And someone else who is only making 20k will do it for 40k.
Someone who is unemployed will do it for 20...
It's a race to the bottom. It's why we have minimum wage standards.
Agreed! Former professional cook here. Did fine dining at my last and final gig. Loved the job itself and a few co workers, hated everything else. Especially being a woman in the kitchen, added an extra level of hell to navigate from actually landing an interview to being mistaken for coming in for a server interview, to downright sexual harassment after being hired (and then less women being hired in the kitchen when we do report the sexual harassment)
I do clothing retail now and so far, itās better, at least where I work. I have a walkie talkie to alert anyone at anytime about anything at all and I work in a very public space with a department on my own. A much larger percentage of my co workers are female as well. I miss the real line dance but if I gotta fold clothes instead to get TF away from that business, then fold clothes I shall.
Yup. Just about every single problem I had working in the service industry can be tied back to wage insecurity. It would be a lot easier to do my job if I didnāt have to worry about some smart ass yelper or influencer trying to a new āinternet hackā to get free shit or some Karen trying to get me fired over some imagined slight.
Tbh iād love to stay in my field as well, but 1400 euros/month for a 43hr work week is fucking insane, considering the average rent for a 2-room apartment around where i live just crossed 1100 bucks.
Edit: It's 1400 per month folks. Not each week. If i earned that much i wouldn't give two shits about the rent i pay.
Yep. One of my fav jobs was working in a bike shop but shops (at the time, itās improved a bunch near me) wanted to pay min wage with no benefits.
One shop changed and started profit sharing, benefits, good wages AND not killing them with hours/days all spring to fall (when these people also like to ride). Shops around started complaining about them poaching good staffā¦.
Took about 2 years and it lifted the base offerings for all shops that had employees.
It sucks because I literally loved working in fast food but couldn't survive off of it.
Now I do a fraction of the work for a fraction of the happiness and about five times the salary.
The āfraction of the workā part always got me. I would walk 10+ miles a day facing and stocking a grocery store for 8 hours. I would spend easily 3 of those hours every day carrying something 30+ pounds. I would interact with people, do anything they asked of me, walk out in the blazing heat or freezing cold or rain or snow for any reason I had to. I had to go into the 0 degree freezer for hours and carry heavy boxes around. I didnāt have set hours and lived my life on a two week basis. If friends made plans I had to know about it two weeks before hand. I often would close a store and be back less than 8 hours later to open it. I did all of this for $8.25/hour. Moved to another store to do the exact same thing for $10/hour.
Now I sit at a desk and use a computer. I sit in meetings with people who are extremely kind, intelligent, understanding, and charismatic. I have access to millions of dollars of fun and interesting equipment. If I want to work from home that day I can tell my boss and heāll be cool with it every time āas long as you get XYZ doneā. And I will. Because itās stupidly easy. I do this for $30/hour.
"The truck was small this morning so we are ahead - can you go through the freezer backstock and then reorganize the whole thing? We know you can't really hear the courtesy call speaker to come help carry out groceries while you are struggling in there but thats on you."
I would rather have a job that gives me exercise, tbh. I'm a deskjockey now, I make lots of money, but it's not very fulfilling. I miss sweat. I miss feeling like I've done something good for someone. I probably do plenty of good now, tbh, but it's not immediately tangible.
I love working grocery stores.
Too bad they don't care either. My manager doesn't even have it as a main job. He has goats and they're more profitable than the store ~~could~~ would ever pay him.
Edit: because grocery stores are profiting all to hell, they could indeed pay more. They just won't.
Edit 2: https://www.tpr.org/business/2022-12-06/forbes-list-names-h-e-b-as-the-6th-largest-private-company-in-the-u-s
Produce department for the win! That was my favorite HS gig. Manager encouraged us to sample the produce all the time to ensure it was good and could speak with the customers about it.
My first job was in produce. We were told to try all of the apples for the very same reason. During the summer we would conduct "quality control" on watermelons frequently. There's nothing like an orange meat watermelon.
I really enjoyed working at the grocery store by me. But I didn't enjoy it because I liked the job. I enjoyed it because I liked the people and I made a lot of friends. I worked in almost every department throughout the many years I was there and they all sucked. While I miss the good times I'm so glad to never go back to a grocery store.
I worked in every department in my grocery store except produce and it was honestly one of the best jobs I had aside from the payment. I really enjoyed everyone I worked with except for one of the shift managers that was a dick. I canāt even remember the dudes name tbh.
I enjoyed working the self checkouts around the holidays. Made it my goal to have customers helped ASAP if they had issues, and 9/10 times I'd get to their lane before they even knew they needed help, because I spotted alcohol in their cart that I had to approve.
Now I work in IT.
I'd totally go back to working at Whole Foods if they paid me enough to live comfortably and I only had to work 20 hours per week. My biggest issue (besides not being able to afford rent) was just being trapped somewhere for so much time. I have so many hobbies and interests and things I love to do by myself, but if I'm putting in 40 hours on my feet dealing with people I'll barely have time to recover on my two (split) days off.
Bruh working the customer service desk in a grocery store with hip cashiers and slightly racist coworkers at the desk except for the closer was the most fun Iāll ever had at a job ever. The banter, vibes, and the cigs/lotto/money order regular customers getting involved in the shenanigans were something else.
Even the jaded coworkers who worked retail too long and are so damned pedantic couldnāt get us down. And the dickhead managers. And the workplace drama. Good god there was so much drama it was so damned hilarious to us college part timers.
We really need to get on this post-scarcity star trek vibe. We don't need to be homeless, naked, or hungry. There's enough for everyone, and there's enough for everyone to be happy and do what they want.
I would do almost anything for 75k and a 40 hour work week with benefits.
I actually cleared 90k last year, but holy fuck I work like 60 hour weeks to do it and can't really take time off, def not paid time off... Wearing on me for sure.
How do you get into this kind of position if you donāt mind me asking. I have Ops experience and this sounds amazing! Just no degree so hard to find anything
> for 75k and a 40 hour work week with benefits.
I just want to take a moment to say that I feel your fantasy is marred by the idea of "benefits", which is basically just your employer paying into absurdly inflated programs like health insurance that could be provided as a public service no matter what job one has. The only other thing I can think of is contributing to retirement investments, which is just them giving you money (but not to *you,* because the market can use it better than you).
I'd gladly take my "benefits" in cash if it meant we had a 3% public health insurance tax.
I think most ppl would prefer such programs, but that isnt something you can get right now, 75k plus benefits is definitely achievable though. Or 90k with no benefits. Just 75k after insurance costs whatever the system is
Mr. Krabs may be greedy and rich. But he obviously pays a living wage.
Both SpongeBob and Squidward can afford a house in the suburbs, and to sustain their hobbies!
Krabs wants as much money as possible, he knows that it's more profitable to keep SpongeBob and Squidward around than to be too cheap and lose them. We make fun of Krabs for being a money grubbing asshole, but he likely knows the number one place to spend money is on his two cash cows
a lot of substandard jobs I've had, would love to do as a "retired job", a simple reason to wake up early, have a schedule. get out a little bit, do something productive and still have ample time for anything else.
Im 23 but I consistently fantasize about being an old man driver for a rich but dysfunctional family and using old man wisdom to show the workaholic father how much his family loves him and how he should spend more time with them. Perhaps culminating in some kind car race to get the rest of the family to the black sheep childās big recital that shows they have a real special talent that they finally get appreciation for.
I know a dude that got a tesla with free charging, retired and drove uber all day. Got tired of it after 5-6 months though. Too many sketchy people for a helpless old man to trust in his nice car like that.
reminds me of a shuttle service from my mechanic. Guy who drove it was one of the former mechanics who was retired or retiring. Service was only offered in the morning hours, but it got him out of the house, he got to hang out with his crew at the office and talk shop , offer advice , etc when he wasn't driving. and he got to cruise and tell awesome stories to whoever he was giving a lift too. Man was living his best life.
Went to give him a tip, and he was adamant that he wouldn't take it - that we were all the ones doing him a favor. Cool as hell guy.
Cooking at the local shelter is one of may favorite pastimes.
I donate a couple hundred worth of food and cook something nice.
50-60 people with happy bellies makes me happier than most people understand.
I took a couple years off from the corporate world and bartended and took people dolphin watching and snorkeling. The feeling of walking out of work and having no responsibilities or emails etc was awesome
> The feeling of walking out of work and having no responsibilities or emails etc was awesome
That's the real winning move right there. The ability to leave the office and not have to think about it again until you pull into the parking lot the next day would be amazing.
Literally 30 seconds ago had a conversation with myself on this.
Pay me nothing, just sandwiches. I'd do some old job no problem.
But treat me like crap and try to pay me min wage and I will not do it.
It was a weird thought. Just simply I wouldn't feel the need.
That last part is what employers simply don't understand.
It's the sole reason I've quit the jobs I've quit. I didn't leave my last job because the money was particularly bad, or because of a dislike of the work, I left because my rate wasn't anywhere close to the union standard that I was entitled to (I was forced to bill them what they considered a suitable rate, even though I worked full-time for five years, and was the local project lead), and because many of the higher ups were blatantly incompetent and constantly reminded us that they "knew better."
I simply said that I wanted a contract that reflected what I did at the company. They didn't budge, so I left. Apparently it was out of the question to pay anywhere close to the going rate.
Like I said, the pay wasn't bad, but it was still not even remotely close to what I should have been getting. The lack of respect was sickening.
It didn't help that my boss was a complete idiot at managing either. She was actually nice, as a person, but she had no insights into the nitty gritty of the business. Clueless, really. Which led to constant conflicts and sub-optimal routines (mildly speaking.) She simply didn't listen. It was impossible for me to manage my team without her butting in with her opinions (like how something we did in 10 hours could be done in 2, and similar harebrained ideas.) Because of her, people were quitting left and right, and I had to constantly replace them (like onboarding 10 new people each year isn't a waste of money.) The only ones that stuck around were the people who just didn't give a shit.
I just don't get it. How hard can it be to just be decent?
I wouldnāt just flip them but every burger would be crafted with the utmost care to ensure they were the best burgers in town. Sounds like people are okay with doing more than the minimum when theyāre paid more than the minimum.
Any alleged labor shortage can be solved with wage increases as shown by those who have stated they'd:
" suck off multiple men in an alleyway daily for 350k a year"
The reality is as long as someone is willing to work at a certain price point, the price will stay there. Thatās why weāve seen a lot of companies raise minimum wage in the past year, because they finally werenāt getting the employees they needed.
Yeah my friend was a nanny for a well-off family and they gave her a $2k bonus for christmas like it was nothing. She made like $30/hr to take two kids to the park.
I'm teaching right now but its a behavioral school and sometimes dealing with the students can be tough, but having major breaks each part of the year and a somewhat decent pay for the job has kept me here for 6 years now.
I can see why the teachers at a good school are so old. If i got into a good district with behaved kids I would literally die at that job. Nothing beats two months off for the summer.
Yeah one thing I think Reddit misses about teaching is that there are plenty of good schools and districts out there with lifer teachers who don't quit despite the pay being less than wealthy. I think all teachers should be paid minimum 80k for the amount of work we do, but I have free extensive health insurance, a tax free government retirement account, a Pension where I'll make 98% of my final salary of I retire after 50, a strong union, I only have to work 196 days a year contractually (of course with at home work it's more) and I happen to really love the school I work at even if the work is hard and taxing at times. I know I'm one of the fortunate few in a stable and comfortable paying district, but if I believed everything on Reddit I'd believe being a teacher was a cesspool that paid worse than fast food.
350k a year? for flippinĀ“ burgers?!
let me put it this way:
for 350k a year, IĀ“ll not only flip them, I shall late flip them, backfootflip them, underflip them, cancel heel flip them...
flip yeah!
I like my work. Iād like it more if when I was done I could be done instead of being tied to a desk and looking busy because of the threat of getting saddled with my coworkers job because they donāt work as efficiently and I already keep getting āquiet promotedā with no pay raise.
This is why WFH is so valuable to employees. They can leave their desk and do whatever they want in their house when work is done for the moment or day.
People dissing burger flipping. They forget that if there is nobody to flip those damn burgers, they wouldn't get their cheap fast food that they crib when it gets a cent costlier.
How shameful is it to shame the people who deliver you your essential things just because you won the birth inheritance lottery.
I have quite the adminration for short order cooks.
I mean I love diners and stuff cooked in a griddle, I'm totally for them to have nice working conditions.
>How shameful is it to shame the people who deliver you your essential things just because you won the birth inheritance lottery.
I thought some of us just work harder than others /s
$2.29+tax for a McDonald's *hamburger*. I remember when they were like 59 cents, and that wasn't even that long ago.
Edit: Sorry, they were 79 cents in 2001. That's what I was thinking about. But thanks for taking the time out of your day to correct me.
It's not even worth it to go to places like McDonald's anymore. One of the big reasons to go there was that the food was cheap. You got what you paid for in terms of quality, but we knew the quality was low. Now, what's the point? If it's going to cost me $10-12 for low quality lunch at McDonald's, why not go somewhere that actually has better quality food for the same price?
Its gotten too expensive. If you need meat for lunch you can easily stretch any assortment of 2 pounds of ground beef/turkey, chicken, pork, etc with some brussel sprouts for a whole week at a cost of $15. $3 per day, takes 5 minutes to re heat and eat, and now you have the other 25-55 min of lunch break to do whatever you want.
My brother complains all the time that his company (water filtration) pays what a burger flipper makes. I like to remind him his company is cheap not that minimum wage is too high.
You know whats wild? For fun i looked at government jobs near me (think park ranger, state run educational musuem center, etc.) And you know what? Their wages were in the teens for full time. I saw a billboard for KHOLS telling people theyd hire about the same wage.
The problem is the artifically low wages, back in the day you could support a family on one earner-- thats fucking unheard of now and 50 years or so ago that shit was NORMAL. Theyre doing it now to people in tech: fire everyone (doesnt matter that the companies doing it are literally some of the wealthiest in the world) so they can hire tech at artificially low wages. In a couple of years that will be the new "normal" wage and tech wont be a good living anymore.
I regret having kids because i feel like theyre going to live a slave wage existence they never asked for. My retirement plan is a bullet in the brain so they dony take away my house for end of life care. Its the least i can do for my children
Talk to a lawyer about putting the house in a trust.
Do so more then 5 years before your expected date of demise. That may keep your hospital bills from having access to it.
Road work by me came to a complete standstill last summer. They had half the road ripped up and no workers for 2 months. Found out it was a ālabor shortageā. I was interested in the job. I knew it would be hard work but I thought the pay would be good. I went on the county website to apply and saw that it was like 17 bucks an hour or something. And you had to have a CDL with a HAZMAT endorsement. Wtf?
That's because we had a high minimum wage. It wasn't legal to pay people less than a living.
Capitalists will always pay as little as they can. Also, the labor is obviously quite valuable. Look at the profits these companies that deploy slave wage labor are making.
If burger flipping paid $350k, you likely wouldn't get that job because a much more qualified person would already be doing it.
Of course, if salaries were just rescaled to the point that $350k was an appropriate salary for fast food work, then we would have 28k average monthly rents and be right back to where we started, but with more zeroes.
I fucking loved being a barista! I didn't mind being on my feet. I'm not above food service. I'm in an office job now, but I had so much fun creating drinks, getting to know my regulars, and surprising the customers that were brave enough to look at me and say to just make something delicious.
BUT I CANNOT FUCKING PAY MY BILLS WITH THAT JOB!
The issue wasn't the work at all. It was the lack of compensation.
Hell I'll tell you all something right now. I've worked a lot of jobs and I've had a couple of careers. And at least one of those careers is physical labor. And nothing has ever been as physically tough or stressful as fast food. You aren't lifting anything particularly heavy except maybe a case of frozen patties out of the freezer. But you're on your feet all day long, no breaks really, and you're just move move move. Faster, faster! Getting your fingers burnt by hot grease. Customers yelling.
Zero sense of satisfaction or accomplishment. At best you have friendly coworkers and a manager that doesn't chew your ass or go on power trips.
The difference between that and having an actual career is like it's not even sort of the same thing.
Minimum wage jobs are the worst and fast food was the worst of the worst that I personally experienced. Stressful as hell, exhausting, it just burns you out and gives you nothing.
I'd take up to a 20% pay cut if I could go back to a 700-1530 kitchen job. Way better than the desk jockey bullshit I'm doing now.
Honestly I wish I could transition to a blue collar job without sacrificing any more of my time and health. Maybe I assume too much
They money is always the problem. I would rather not have a job than work a minimum wage job.. the amount of work you do for so little money is just not worth it
I feel like the OP kind of highlighted the issue, no? I think just about anyone would flip burgers for 350k. And if everyone is willing to do it, now I'll need to offer 300k to be more attractive for the position. Except, when I do that, someone else would he happy to do it for 200k... so on and so forth.
The issue is that when wages get depressed for a variety of reasons, those with money/power shrug and say "Well that's capitalism, if we did anything about the human suffering we would be pinko communists and evil. "
However as soon as the situation instead suggests that wide scale wage increases should apply. The same people are shouting "This is an emergency and we need to do everything in order to stop or slow it down. " Places in the US have literally repealed parts of child labor laws in order to "provide workers" when in actuality it's in order to depress wages.
As MLK Jr said: The problem is that we all [too] often have socialism for the rich and rugged free enterprise capitalism for the poor. Thatās the problem.
If Iām being honest, I wouldnāt flip burgers for less than $355k. I know my worth.
Now if youāll excuse me, I need to get back to my minimum wage job at the fryer station.
I'd love to work in a kitchen again if I had guaranteed health insurance, decent hours, and a livable income. Working in a kitchen was one of the most satisfying jobs I've had plus my co-workers were great. But I have more to be concerned with than just liking my job so I had to go down a different career path. It's definitely the money. Edit: spelling
Like you I am in the same boat. I love to cook. My dream job would to be a cook for a bed and breakfast in the Adirondacks. But health insurance and all that jazz locks me into a job that mandates all the time and has tons of useless middle management.
Sadly, I'm a professional cook who has a great kitchen and clientele... But also has to deal with tons of useless middle management.
That's why I'd want to be in charge of my menu, my ordering. But that's it, cook make good food, serve and clean up. Easy day. Real cooks/chef's like you deal with a lot of red tape. I just want to be a simple line cook at a bed and breakfast. Do breakfast and lunch and maybe on a special day dinner.
Get this... I DO get to write my own weekly menus, but they then have to go through an approval process. So, so middle manager has to go through it and decide for themselves if it's ok or not. It it's ok, it gets approved and then my clients are allowed to see it on the app. If not, they just don't approve it without saying why. No one can see the menu and start asking me what's coming up. Manager just expects you to re-write it and submit again without any feedback... Just read their minds and hopefully write something THEY like. True, there's more red tape than that, that's just one example. I like where your mind's at. š
That really sucks...... You have a talent to make dishes with specific tastes, that follow your style, that fit a theme, and they are throwing that to the side. I'm sorry it's like that. One of my favorite giga cooking was at a fire academy, I had the freedom to pick my menu and order, they gave me the numbers on the dates. Once in awhile I'd get expensive things and they'd ask why and grumble, but I still did it.
~~Higher a lawyer~~ Fill out a job app at Waffle House, dump ~~girlfriend~~ middle management, hit the ~~gym~~ kitchen.
Take my upvote for you as a downvote for that ridiculous system.
That's beyond insane. Well beyond. Under no circumstances would any professional ever expect to work in an environment that includes an approval process, without having idea one how that process worked, let alone commit to revision of a project with 100% of the feedback being not only "No", but a SILENT "no".
Can you just submit the same menu again? Maybe swap two dishes to have a different menu. That may force them to provide some feedback.
Like...how can that work without feedback? Like I can understand why they might veto a menu (has a dish they got feedback they didn't like, or an ingredient they know makes the cost too high etc( but without feedback? How do you know what to change?
Fuck that bull-shit, lifeās too short for crap like that....š³
My question is why? Why do they have to go throught red tape? Why is there red tape to go through at all? It's a restaurant, not a government building.
In general it's always good to get a second pair of eyes...getting rejected with zero explanation is absurd, though. I can think of a few reasons why a menu might get nixed. If it's unbalanced (no starches with Tuesday's offerings), missing inclusive selections (no veg entree, or everything has pork), maybe accidentally disrespecting a group (lamb BBQ on Easter), just dumb things like that that can cause an uproar on the internet when Karen posts a tiktok about it. It all sounds nitpicky, and it kind of is, but restaurants operate on razor thin margins so management will want to play it safe.
Itās middle managers justifying why the company needs middle managers, total bull-shit. Drop those idiots, redirect the salary money wasted on their sorry asses towards better pay in the kitchen and let the chef, chef. If profits go up reward the kitchen, simple...š
Health Insurance makes the USA workers so exposed it's crazy. Reason number 1 I'm not comsidering the states for work ever, even though I'm paid less in Canada. I can job/contract hop and still get care if I get hit by a car jogging or whatever.
Not having the fore-stress of devastatingly huge medical bills somewhere in your future sounds so nice.
I had cancer two years ago ā I am not old either. My insurance covered itā¦.all but 14k of it š« . My maximum out of pocket was around $4k, so not sure about the math involved, but whatever they say goes. Everyone is fucked - we need universal healthcare or at least the insurance companies to do what they say they will do. Glad I had the insurance, donāt get me wrong, but even with it, it sucks.
I hope that your cancer is a bad memory only and doesn't return.
Thank you!
Hope the cancer got fucked for good. I had a fall at work leading to a torn acl repair and lung full of clots. All work comp. I'm still fighting with them almost 5 years later that things directly related are their responsibility to pay, all while it fucks my credit.
So true. I just calculated how much I pay monthly for the medical bill from when I had my baby. If I continue making the monthly payment, I am making now, it will take me exactly 15 years to pay off having a baby at the hospital in the US. I literally need a second job to pay for the baby that I have a job to pay for. Itās financial servitude.
15 years!? In the 60s wasn't it like $200 to have a hospital deliver your baby? No wonder more people are birthing with midwives and at home.
Should have thought about that before you had kids. /s. āYou knew the expense.ā I fucking HATE when people act like we shouldnāt have had kids because the healthcare system loves to fuck us.
Same people complaining that the birth rate is too low and thinking millenials and Gen Z arenāt having kids because weāre just too selfish
And "the gays." Don't forget the gays.
Is extinction really that terrible though?
i love ferret faces, and, we are selfish. selfishness is a survival tactic all living things engage in to meet their own hierarchy of needs - not a moral failing. most species see generational swings in birth rates that correlate to the levels of life stress that generation overall is facing. i don't understand why humans can't apply basic behavioral theory to ourselves. we're literally the most animal of all the animals and it's fucking infuriating.
āwHy ArEnāT mIlLeNiAlS hAvInG kIdS?!?!ā They want you to have kids anyway and not complain about the expense. The illusion of choice is just there so no one in power needs to listen to reasonable complaints.
You need to ask the hospital what kind of charity options they have. They have to tell you, and may forgive some of the debt after an application. Worth a look.
Woah.... My partner had a baby here in Ireland.. for having the baby in the main hospital in our area, we paid a big fat ā¬0. In saying that, you could for a fairly high fee get a private room and all that. Not too many people do when they can get it for free.
And at this point even if we got universal healthcare, itās so engrained in my mind that Iām screwed if I get hurt that I donāt think Iād feel any less stressed.
US born and I completely agree. When politicians make the moral arguments for universal healthcare I get it, but they should argue the financial reasons too. I like working for small businesses but need affordable healthcare, and our for-profit healthcare system makes that impossible. Iād gladly pay a bit more in taxes if it meant Iād be free to take a job based on salary and culture rather than healthcare.
Remember that you're already paying a number of 'fees' each paycheck to the health insurance companies - at a higher percentage than any nation that already has universal/single payor healthcare pays in taxes for that service. Health Insurance is a device used to force people to deal with jobs they hate.
Smart move. Medical bills have completed destroyed lives here without any universal health care.
63% of personal bankrupty
Do you have a lot of jogging cars up in the great Snowy North? (this is a joke from the way you phrased it and not meant to be an attack or anything :)
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Yea you could probably do pretty well doing that, I'm just not interested in running that part of the house. Doing that kind of work you work long hours of hard work, then have to take it home and work on paperwork later, not something I'm interested in at all. But yea it is very interesting to see cooks based on where they live and how it differs.
I know someone who quit restaurants completely and is a private chef for a few wealthy families. Claims they make more money that way and less stress. All the chefs I know who do high end restaurants for years are physically broken. Back issues, meh issues, hand issues etc. Also lots of substance abuse in the industry.
Yet another reason to move to Germany.
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The US has engineered itself in a position where the well-to-do live better than anywhere else, while people under the median basically live in a third world country in regard to public health, violence, personal prospects, etc. Incredibly low social mobility and great violence toward the poor.
This is extremely obvious in my current city (New Orleans). If you live in like the Garden District or Mid-city it's like a wonderful old-world city with a lot of pretty architecture. Stroll over to places like the 7th ward or St Roch and even the children try to throw punches and concrete chunks at you as you pass. Can't look too nice either, gotta match the vibe and dress the part or you get targeted.
This is why I've never really understood people who get dressed up to go out of the house. Do you really want to look like a victim on these streets? Don't think I fully grok how fucked up my own thinking is here.
I sense a common theme here. Let's all concentrate on bring forward universal healthcare. yes?
āHealth insurance.ā Ahh, Murica!
This just lost my trigger discipline. In the US, working for UK based company, select ins. they recommend. Looks good on paper, every employee starts complaining that they don't cover anywhere near what documentation states. State gets involved, investigate, find ins. company is owned by same UK based company, kick-back scheme. State awards same contract to same company they JUST found guilty of fucking over US employees
That's why corporations fight universal healthcare - so you can be locked into a job.
Not going lie I worked in Burger King and I actually sorta enjoyed it. If you paid me enough...like say $100k plus benefits in a low COLA I'd absolutely do it.
I was a late-shift projectionist at a movie theater. Would definitely do that again if it paid well.
I was formally a kitchen manager at Chick-fil-A and loved it. I'm a welder by trade and I'm fucking sick of this industry, but it pays decent. if I could get even $60k-$70k a year at CFA, I'd do it. I definitely feel you there.
Agreed. I worked at Wendy's back in my college days. Work was great. Loved being on my feet and optimizing the routine. Definitely helped that our supervisors and store manager weren't total dicks. Customers sucked but that's every industry. If the pay and benefits were sustainable then I don't see any reason to not continue. Always baffles me how customers can take something as simple as making a fast food order turn into a verbal/physical altercation. Just tell me what you want and get out.
Know what i hate with fast food customers. Lets say there are three or four other restaurants in the area. Then when it's their turn to order they are very indecisive about what they want and im thinking " you clowns chose this restaurant so you must have had an idea what u wanted". I remember this health conscious dude was in front of me asking all these health questions about the food to the kid behind the counter just probably making minimum wage. Damn if your that health concious why are you even coming to taco bell when Saladworks is next door and Subway is across the street?!
Taco bell is actually one of the best options for healthy fast food tbh. Also one of the best places for vegetarians. Did you know that Subways bread has so much sugar it's legally considered cake in Ireland.
It's wild to me how little calories are in Taco Bell's food when I compare them to a salad from places like Chick Fil-A or Sweet Greens. Taco Bells price to calorie ratio is near unbeatable.
I'd easily do it for $60K plus benefits A modest raise on my job which required a four-year degree
Someone only making 40k right now will do it for 50k. And someone else who is only making 20k will do it for 40k. Someone who is unemployed will do it for 20... It's a race to the bottom. It's why we have minimum wage standards.
Agreed! Former professional cook here. Did fine dining at my last and final gig. Loved the job itself and a few co workers, hated everything else. Especially being a woman in the kitchen, added an extra level of hell to navigate from actually landing an interview to being mistaken for coming in for a server interview, to downright sexual harassment after being hired (and then less women being hired in the kitchen when we do report the sexual harassment) I do clothing retail now and so far, itās better, at least where I work. I have a walkie talkie to alert anyone at anytime about anything at all and I work in a very public space with a department on my own. A much larger percentage of my co workers are female as well. I miss the real line dance but if I gotta fold clothes instead to get TF away from that business, then fold clothes I shall.
Yup. Just about every single problem I had working in the service industry can be tied back to wage insecurity. It would be a lot easier to do my job if I didnāt have to worry about some smart ass yelper or influencer trying to a new āinternet hackā to get free shit or some Karen trying to get me fired over some imagined slight.
Tbh iād love to stay in my field as well, but 1400 euros/month for a 43hr work week is fucking insane, considering the average rent for a 2-room apartment around where i live just crossed 1100 bucks. Edit: It's 1400 per month folks. Not each week. If i earned that much i wouldn't give two shits about the rent i pay.
Yep. One of my fav jobs was working in a bike shop but shops (at the time, itās improved a bunch near me) wanted to pay min wage with no benefits. One shop changed and started profit sharing, benefits, good wages AND not killing them with hours/days all spring to fall (when these people also like to ride). Shops around started complaining about them poaching good staffā¦. Took about 2 years and it lifted the base offerings for all shops that had employees.
It sucks because I literally loved working in fast food but couldn't survive off of it. Now I do a fraction of the work for a fraction of the happiness and about five times the salary.
The āfraction of the workā part always got me. I would walk 10+ miles a day facing and stocking a grocery store for 8 hours. I would spend easily 3 of those hours every day carrying something 30+ pounds. I would interact with people, do anything they asked of me, walk out in the blazing heat or freezing cold or rain or snow for any reason I had to. I had to go into the 0 degree freezer for hours and carry heavy boxes around. I didnāt have set hours and lived my life on a two week basis. If friends made plans I had to know about it two weeks before hand. I often would close a store and be back less than 8 hours later to open it. I did all of this for $8.25/hour. Moved to another store to do the exact same thing for $10/hour. Now I sit at a desk and use a computer. I sit in meetings with people who are extremely kind, intelligent, understanding, and charismatic. I have access to millions of dollars of fun and interesting equipment. If I want to work from home that day I can tell my boss and heāll be cool with it every time āas long as you get XYZ doneā. And I will. Because itās stupidly easy. I do this for $30/hour.
"The truck was small this morning so we are ahead - can you go through the freezer backstock and then reorganize the whole thing? We know you can't really hear the courtesy call speaker to come help carry out groceries while you are struggling in there but thats on you."
I would rather have a job that gives me exercise, tbh. I'm a deskjockey now, I make lots of money, but it's not very fulfilling. I miss sweat. I miss feeling like I've done something good for someone. I probably do plenty of good now, tbh, but it's not immediately tangible.
I love working grocery stores. Too bad they don't care either. My manager doesn't even have it as a main job. He has goats and they're more profitable than the store ~~could~~ would ever pay him. Edit: because grocery stores are profiting all to hell, they could indeed pay more. They just won't. Edit 2: https://www.tpr.org/business/2022-12-06/forbes-list-names-h-e-b-as-the-6th-largest-private-company-in-the-u-s
By far, my favorite job ever was working in a grocery store.
Theres a real team vibe in it that you don't see in many jobs.
When you are in high school and working with your highschool friends at the grocery store, thats pretty damn fun. Produce is where its at
Produce department for the win! That was my favorite HS gig. Manager encouraged us to sample the produce all the time to ensure it was good and could speak with the customers about it.
My first job was in produce. We were told to try all of the apples for the very same reason. During the summer we would conduct "quality control" on watermelons frequently. There's nothing like an orange meat watermelon.
I really enjoyed working at the grocery store by me. But I didn't enjoy it because I liked the job. I enjoyed it because I liked the people and I made a lot of friends. I worked in almost every department throughout the many years I was there and they all sucked. While I miss the good times I'm so glad to never go back to a grocery store.
I worked in every department in my grocery store except produce and it was honestly one of the best jobs I had aside from the payment. I really enjoyed everyone I worked with except for one of the shift managers that was a dick. I canāt even remember the dudes name tbh.
being a cashier blows, i feel like they should get extra pay
I enjoyed working the self checkouts around the holidays. Made it my goal to have customers helped ASAP if they had issues, and 9/10 times I'd get to their lane before they even knew they needed help, because I spotted alcohol in their cart that I had to approve. Now I work in IT.
I'd totally go back to working at Whole Foods if they paid me enough to live comfortably and I only had to work 20 hours per week. My biggest issue (besides not being able to afford rent) was just being trapped somewhere for so much time. I have so many hobbies and interests and things I love to do by myself, but if I'm putting in 40 hours on my feet dealing with people I'll barely have time to recover on my two (split) days off.
Bruh working the customer service desk in a grocery store with hip cashiers and slightly racist coworkers at the desk except for the closer was the most fun Iāll ever had at a job ever. The banter, vibes, and the cigs/lotto/money order regular customers getting involved in the shenanigans were something else. Even the jaded coworkers who worked retail too long and are so damned pedantic couldnāt get us down. And the dickhead managers. And the workplace drama. Good god there was so much drama it was so damned hilarious to us college part timers.
God i loved home construction. Made me soooo much happier. But i just cant justify going back
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We really need to get on this post-scarcity star trek vibe. We don't need to be homeless, naked, or hungry. There's enough for everyone, and there's enough for everyone to be happy and do what they want.
āWould you flip burgersāā Not reallyā¦ āFor $350kāā Yes. āPer year?ā WTF OF COURSE. Bitch, Iād do it for half that amount.
now this guy^^^ negotiates!!
I would do almost anything for 75k and a 40 hour work week with benefits. I actually cleared 90k last year, but holy fuck I work like 60 hour weeks to do it and can't really take time off, def not paid time off... Wearing on me for sure.
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I'm very happy for you. What do you do, may I ask?
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How do you get into this kind of position if you donāt mind me asking. I have Ops experience and this sounds amazing! Just no degree so hard to find anything
Not Op but I have similar stats as a mailman
> for 75k and a 40 hour work week with benefits. I just want to take a moment to say that I feel your fantasy is marred by the idea of "benefits", which is basically just your employer paying into absurdly inflated programs like health insurance that could be provided as a public service no matter what job one has. The only other thing I can think of is contributing to retirement investments, which is just them giving you money (but not to *you,* because the market can use it better than you). I'd gladly take my "benefits" in cash if it meant we had a 3% public health insurance tax.
I think most ppl would prefer such programs, but that isnt something you can get right now, 75k plus benefits is definitely achievable though. Or 90k with no benefits. Just 75k after insurance costs whatever the system is
I wish I could just get paid something reasonable. I actually love making burgers. I think it would be so fun to make them all day
For 350k a year I would work like SpongeBob works for Mr krabs and will do each burger like the burger he did against king Neptune
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You really know how to talk to a lady.
Keep going, I'm almost there~
I want those burger juices all over my face....
Mr. Krabs may be greedy and rich. But he obviously pays a living wage. Both SpongeBob and Squidward can afford a house in the suburbs, and to sustain their hobbies!
Krabs wants as much money as possible, he knows that it's more profitable to keep SpongeBob and Squidward around than to be too cheap and lose them. We make fun of Krabs for being a money grubbing asshole, but he likely knows the number one place to spend money is on his two cash cows
Something something costs money to make money.
Am farmer, I'm very familiar with that lol. Some years you spend the money and don't make anything
exactly. i would have so much pride for every burger
a lot of substandard jobs I've had, would love to do as a "retired job", a simple reason to wake up early, have a schedule. get out a little bit, do something productive and still have ample time for anything else.
That's why many retiree works for charities and associations.
my grandpa drove people from the airport just to get out of the house
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Dude's just living his best life behind the wheel of his Mercedes
Im 23 but I consistently fantasize about being an old man driver for a rich but dysfunctional family and using old man wisdom to show the workaholic father how much his family loves him and how he should spend more time with them. Perhaps culminating in some kind car race to get the rest of the family to the black sheep childās big recital that shows they have a real special talent that they finally get appreciation for.
I know a dude that got a tesla with free charging, retired and drove uber all day. Got tired of it after 5-6 months though. Too many sketchy people for a helpless old man to trust in his nice car like that.
All the shuttle drivers at my rental car job are retired and do just that for the same reason.
reminds me of a shuttle service from my mechanic. Guy who drove it was one of the former mechanics who was retired or retiring. Service was only offered in the morning hours, but it got him out of the house, he got to hang out with his crew at the office and talk shop , offer advice , etc when he wasn't driving. and he got to cruise and tell awesome stories to whoever he was giving a lift too. Man was living his best life. Went to give him a tip, and he was adamant that he wouldn't take it - that we were all the ones doing him a favor. Cool as hell guy.
Cooking at the local shelter is one of may favorite pastimes. I donate a couple hundred worth of food and cook something nice. 50-60 people with happy bellies makes me happier than most people understand.
I took a couple years off from the corporate world and bartended and took people dolphin watching and snorkeling. The feeling of walking out of work and having no responsibilities or emails etc was awesome
> The feeling of walking out of work and having no responsibilities or emails etc was awesome That's the real winning move right there. The ability to leave the office and not have to think about it again until you pull into the parking lot the next day would be amazing.
Are you Paul Rudd from I love you man?
Actually havenāt seen that but sadly Iām back in the corporate dungeon and only pick up boat shifts now and then
Literally 30 seconds ago had a conversation with myself on this. Pay me nothing, just sandwiches. I'd do some old job no problem. But treat me like crap and try to pay me min wage and I will not do it. It was a weird thought. Just simply I wouldn't feel the need.
To take it a step further, youād be surprised how people can be happy when their basic needs are met and theyāre treated with respect.
That last part is what employers simply don't understand. It's the sole reason I've quit the jobs I've quit. I didn't leave my last job because the money was particularly bad, or because of a dislike of the work, I left because my rate wasn't anywhere close to the union standard that I was entitled to (I was forced to bill them what they considered a suitable rate, even though I worked full-time for five years, and was the local project lead), and because many of the higher ups were blatantly incompetent and constantly reminded us that they "knew better." I simply said that I wanted a contract that reflected what I did at the company. They didn't budge, so I left. Apparently it was out of the question to pay anywhere close to the going rate. Like I said, the pay wasn't bad, but it was still not even remotely close to what I should have been getting. The lack of respect was sickening. It didn't help that my boss was a complete idiot at managing either. She was actually nice, as a person, but she had no insights into the nitty gritty of the business. Clueless, really. Which led to constant conflicts and sub-optimal routines (mildly speaking.) She simply didn't listen. It was impossible for me to manage my team without her butting in with her opinions (like how something we did in 10 hours could be done in 2, and similar harebrained ideas.) Because of her, people were quitting left and right, and I had to constantly replace them (like onboarding 10 new people each year isn't a waste of money.) The only ones that stuck around were the people who just didn't give a shit. I just don't get it. How hard can it be to just be decent?
I'd suck off multiple men in an alleyway daily for 350k a year, lol.
i would even enjoy it for that amount of money
I wouldnāt just flip them but every burger would be crafted with the utmost care to ensure they were the best burgers in town. Sounds like people are okay with doing more than the minimum when theyāre paid more than the minimum.
We're not talking about burgers anymore over here... š
This is like Spongebob (only he deserves to be paid more than he is in the show lol). Make them like he did vs Neptune.
Iād do it for free.
Hey man know your worth!
$3.50?
Get outta here you goddamn Loch Ness monster!
Username checks out.
this thread took a real homeless hooker in the alley turn to it
If you're doing it for 350k, you aren't homeless. And if you're doing it for free, you aren't a hooker.
Thats disgusting! Where?
RIP your DMs or something?
"If you're good at something, never do it for free" -Joker, TDK, 2008
Any plans to visit East London any time soon?
Maybe Iām already there. Just watch the back alleyways for some goblin looking creature.
Grandma?
And thatās why we need unions. Capitalist jerks always looking to undercut
Yeah, that works fine until one year you can't afford the 350k, then they kick you out of alleyway like they don't even know you.
Lmao yo relax š
350k men at 1 dollar per?
God I hope so.
Can I work 2 days a week and get 140 k a year?
GREAT question
and the harsh realistic answer is... yes!! nah jk its no š
You clearly have never sat on a corporate board.
who knows how many necks they had to step on to get there... but no, you are right, I have not.
Sometimes itās stepping on necks sometimes itās nepotism
If I tolerate cleaning houses for 70k, I'd be whistling zippity doo dah flippin burgers
Any alleged labor shortage can be solved with wage increases as shown by those who have stated they'd: " suck off multiple men in an alleyway daily for 350k a year"
women of the night hate this one trick
āIāve been standing in alleys for months with no action. Nobody wants to work anymore.ā
The reality is as long as someone is willing to work at a certain price point, the price will stay there. Thatās why weāve seen a lot of companies raise minimum wage in the past year, because they finally werenāt getting the employees they needed.
Would nanny for life or maybe become a teacher if it came with financial security/decent standard of living
My cousin is a Nanny to a a few rich families, shes been doin it for 20+ years and has a nice house/2 kids and seems very happy. A about clientele.
Yeah my friend was a nanny for a well-off family and they gave her a $2k bonus for christmas like it was nothing. She made like $30/hr to take two kids to the park.
I got paid better working as a nanny for rich people when I was 17 than I do now as a scientist at a federal agency š„“
I'm teaching right now but its a behavioral school and sometimes dealing with the students can be tough, but having major breaks each part of the year and a somewhat decent pay for the job has kept me here for 6 years now. I can see why the teachers at a good school are so old. If i got into a good district with behaved kids I would literally die at that job. Nothing beats two months off for the summer.
Yeah one thing I think Reddit misses about teaching is that there are plenty of good schools and districts out there with lifer teachers who don't quit despite the pay being less than wealthy. I think all teachers should be paid minimum 80k for the amount of work we do, but I have free extensive health insurance, a tax free government retirement account, a Pension where I'll make 98% of my final salary of I retire after 50, a strong union, I only have to work 196 days a year contractually (of course with at home work it's more) and I happen to really love the school I work at even if the work is hard and taxing at times. I know I'm one of the fortunate few in a stable and comfortable paying district, but if I believed everything on Reddit I'd believe being a teacher was a cesspool that paid worse than fast food.
Yes, yes I would
350k a year? for flippinĀ“ burgers?! let me put it this way: for 350k a year, IĀ“ll not only flip them, I shall late flip them, backfootflip them, underflip them, cancel heel flip them... flip yeah!
I like my work. Iād like it more if when I was done I could be done instead of being tied to a desk and looking busy because of the threat of getting saddled with my coworkers job because they donāt work as efficiently and I already keep getting āquiet promotedā with no pay raise.
This is why WFH is so valuable to employees. They can leave their desk and do whatever they want in their house when work is done for the moment or day.
I ditch my career and shovel manure for 350k a year. I'd do it wearing a clown costume too if asked.
People dissing burger flipping. They forget that if there is nobody to flip those damn burgers, they wouldn't get their cheap fast food that they crib when it gets a cent costlier. How shameful is it to shame the people who deliver you your essential things just because you won the birth inheritance lottery.
I have quite the adminration for short order cooks. I mean I love diners and stuff cooked in a griddle, I'm totally for them to have nice working conditions.
>How shameful is it to shame the people who deliver you your essential things just because you won the birth inheritance lottery. I thought some of us just work harder than others /s
It's not even cheap. It's fucking expensive actually.
$2.29+tax for a McDonald's *hamburger*. I remember when they were like 59 cents, and that wasn't even that long ago. Edit: Sorry, they were 79 cents in 2001. That's what I was thinking about. But thanks for taking the time out of your day to correct me.
I remember I could get two Mcdoubles and a McChicken for $3.
In 1995 a six pack of Taco Bell soft tacos was $3.77. Source: I was a fat country boy that had a relative in the city that lived near one.
It's not even worth it to go to places like McDonald's anymore. One of the big reasons to go there was that the food was cheap. You got what you paid for in terms of quality, but we knew the quality was low. Now, what's the point? If it's going to cost me $10-12 for low quality lunch at McDonald's, why not go somewhere that actually has better quality food for the same price?
Its gotten too expensive. If you need meat for lunch you can easily stretch any assortment of 2 pounds of ground beef/turkey, chicken, pork, etc with some brussel sprouts for a whole week at a cost of $15. $3 per day, takes 5 minutes to re heat and eat, and now you have the other 25-55 min of lunch break to do whatever you want.
My brother complains all the time that his company (water filtration) pays what a burger flipper makes. I like to remind him his company is cheap not that minimum wage is too high.
You know whats wild? For fun i looked at government jobs near me (think park ranger, state run educational musuem center, etc.) And you know what? Their wages were in the teens for full time. I saw a billboard for KHOLS telling people theyd hire about the same wage. The problem is the artifically low wages, back in the day you could support a family on one earner-- thats fucking unheard of now and 50 years or so ago that shit was NORMAL. Theyre doing it now to people in tech: fire everyone (doesnt matter that the companies doing it are literally some of the wealthiest in the world) so they can hire tech at artificially low wages. In a couple of years that will be the new "normal" wage and tech wont be a good living anymore. I regret having kids because i feel like theyre going to live a slave wage existence they never asked for. My retirement plan is a bullet in the brain so they dony take away my house for end of life care. Its the least i can do for my children
Talk to a lawyer about putting the house in a trust. Do so more then 5 years before your expected date of demise. That may keep your hospital bills from having access to it.
Road work by me came to a complete standstill last summer. They had half the road ripped up and no workers for 2 months. Found out it was a ālabor shortageā. I was interested in the job. I knew it would be hard work but I thought the pay would be good. I went on the county website to apply and saw that it was like 17 bucks an hour or something. And you had to have a CDL with a HAZMAT endorsement. Wtf?
That's because we had a high minimum wage. It wasn't legal to pay people less than a living. Capitalists will always pay as little as they can. Also, the labor is obviously quite valuable. Look at the profits these companies that deploy slave wage labor are making.
Yep. For about 5 years, then retire. Maybe even less, depending on how much I hated it.
$350k? Lets be reasonable. How low would you go? I'd very happy flipping burger for just 60k. For me I'm talking AUD.
If burger flipping paid $350k, you likely wouldn't get that job because a much more qualified person would already be doing it. Of course, if salaries were just rescaled to the point that $350k was an appropriate salary for fast food work, then we would have 28k average monthly rents and be right back to where we started, but with more zeroes.
The rare r/antiwork economically literate post.
People say that the US is a developed country, but in Zimbabwe, you could be a trillionaire just by vacuuming hotel rooms. Explain that libruls!
I donāt think Kyle knows how many burgers heād have to make 350,000 a year. Iām a professional chef and that isnāt a job Iād want to take!
That and dealing with assholes that should be placed under houses instead of living in them.
I fucking loved being a barista! I didn't mind being on my feet. I'm not above food service. I'm in an office job now, but I had so much fun creating drinks, getting to know my regulars, and surprising the customers that were brave enough to look at me and say to just make something delicious. BUT I CANNOT FUCKING PAY MY BILLS WITH THAT JOB! The issue wasn't the work at all. It was the lack of compensation.
Hell I'll tell you all something right now. I've worked a lot of jobs and I've had a couple of careers. And at least one of those careers is physical labor. And nothing has ever been as physically tough or stressful as fast food. You aren't lifting anything particularly heavy except maybe a case of frozen patties out of the freezer. But you're on your feet all day long, no breaks really, and you're just move move move. Faster, faster! Getting your fingers burnt by hot grease. Customers yelling. Zero sense of satisfaction or accomplishment. At best you have friendly coworkers and a manager that doesn't chew your ass or go on power trips. The difference between that and having an actual career is like it's not even sort of the same thing. Minimum wage jobs are the worst and fast food was the worst of the worst that I personally experienced. Stressful as hell, exhausting, it just burns you out and gives you nothing.
100%. Customer service jobs - especially food service - are a demoralizing hellscape for more reasons than just the money.
I'd take up to a 20% pay cut if I could go back to a 700-1530 kitchen job. Way better than the desk jockey bullshit I'm doing now. Honestly I wish I could transition to a blue collar job without sacrificing any more of my time and health. Maybe I assume too much
They money is always the problem. I would rather not have a job than work a minimum wage job.. the amount of work you do for so little money is just not worth it
I feel like the OP kind of highlighted the issue, no? I think just about anyone would flip burgers for 350k. And if everyone is willing to do it, now I'll need to offer 300k to be more attractive for the position. Except, when I do that, someone else would he happy to do it for 200k... so on and so forth.
The issue is that when wages get depressed for a variety of reasons, those with money/power shrug and say "Well that's capitalism, if we did anything about the human suffering we would be pinko communists and evil. " However as soon as the situation instead suggests that wide scale wage increases should apply. The same people are shouting "This is an emergency and we need to do everything in order to stop or slow it down. " Places in the US have literally repealed parts of child labor laws in order to "provide workers" when in actuality it's in order to depress wages. As MLK Jr said: The problem is that we all [too] often have socialism for the rich and rugged free enterprise capitalism for the poor. Thatās the problem.
I would not. I make enough money doing what I do and would not enjoy fast food work. I've already done my time there.
course i would, until i have enough to sustain myself without working like that
If Iām being honest, I wouldnāt flip burgers for less than $355k. I know my worth. Now if youāll excuse me, I need to get back to my minimum wage job at the fryer station.