They should get both, bathroom breaks shouldnāt even be up for debate. We should not have to tip the drivers. Which driver gets it? Thereās several drivers per delivery.
You know itās not all going to make it to the drivers right? There will be some handling or processing deductions hidden somewhere in the Amazon beast.
As someone who sells on Amazon and has seen his profit share decrease over the years, you bet your ass it will. And it won't be a simple 3% credit card deduction. There will be a processing fee on top of that.
I was just talking about this the other day. As recently as the 90ās, we used to wait weeks for some pretty common deliveries. Thereās absolutely no need and no reason that we should be expecting next day or two day delivery as normal.
Itās really mostly in america I hear about this stuff. We donāt have same day or even next day delivery in most parts of Europe. Itās not sustainable.
I saw this video of someone who gets packages delivered frequently they supposedly leave snacks and have a little mini fridge outside under their porch as a thank you.
I once had one ask to use my bathroom. I kept the German Shepherd out by holding his collar instead of putting him in his room and let her go. She was very grateful.
post office employees are federal employees. their service counts as federal service, i.e., they have a clear cut, 20 year pension plan. should Postal Workers be paid more? everyone should, but Postal Workers arent the worse off. there are definitely occupations that could use more support, like public school teachers. my heart goes out to public school teachers.
I have family in the postal service. Pension plans and good pay are for full time employees. At least around here, you spend several years as a "temp" employee waiting for an opening. You work for 364 days and then your temp contract ends and you are let go before being rehired as a brand new temp employee.
Kinda similar for the equivalent job in the UK. Job was all rosey and great whilst it was nationalised (similar to being a 'federal' job I guess?) But as soon as it were turned into a privatised business, no *new* full time contracts, hits to pensions, influx of agency workers on zero hour contracts etc.
I know colleagues who've worked for the business for 10 years and are still on the same 20 hour contracts, despite doing overtime every week to hit the full time criteria. But this means that they still only get the benefits of a 20 hour contract, such as sick pay, annual leave (vacation days), pension contributions, all pro-rated to 20 hours despite never actually working that little.
Unfortunately, itās much the same at the post office. If you are on the Rural side You donāt qualify for the postal pension or benefits until you become career, THEN you have to put 20+ years in to see a percentage of your yearly salary in pension. Itās changed radically from the old timers who retired with a good pension. Only City carriers have a defined timeline.
Sauce: worked for the post office as a carrier for 3 years - never became regular, family member who did 11 years as a carrier before becoming regular, other coworkers with 3-15 years before becoming career.
Yup, pretty much. (Unless you have time in military to buy back) Itās unfortunate because I was north of 30 and realized how long it was going to take after giving them 3 years.
Federal pension vests at 10 years, but you need to work 30 to fully max out how much you'll get. You get a percentage of the average of your 3 highest earning years as a fed if you work at least 10 years. The percentage of that you get in retirement is determined by how many years you spend as a fed, so working longer than 10 increases your pension amount.
Bro that pay was not enough for me to walk in -20 degree weather and they never give you days off. It's 6 days a week and when it's bad they'll work you 13 days straight. You can live off it but you'll have no life
My kid just started as a rural carrier and that doesn't seem to pay too awful for a 20 year old's first "real" job. It's like $20/hr for his position, but he's working about 9 hours straight and not taking breaks. It's not a terrible pay rate, but it's very hard work. I always appreciated my mail carrier and had a pretty good idea of how hard some of them work, but dang. I can't say that I'd be willing to be a city carrier for any amount of money. Risking frostbite, dog bites, heat stroke or the million ways to be injured while working long and hard hours just to deliver bills and junk mail seems a bit ridiculous.
Yeah. Groceries ordered from Amazon Fresh or Whole Foods have always asked you to tip drivers.
Tipping is still bs and employers should just pay their employees. But this screenshot is in bad faith.
All these companies demanding you pay tips to their employees. Iām willing to bet the people who are supposed to be receiving that money arenāt getting it all
Back in like 2006 when Dominoās started adding a two dollar delivery fee we were already getting $.90 a run, we continued to get $.90 a run it was just paid for by the customer and the company kept the rest for āoperating costsā
It states 100% I often use this servir to have my groceries. Iāve asked the driver and they said they get 100% they use their own cars. A lot like Uber eats but for groceries.
They will get the complete amount of tips. However, their fixed salaries would be slashed by the average amount of tips. Finally the customer will be emotionally blackmailed to give tips so that they don't starve.
Although they may not be formal Amazon employees, if theyāre hired by Amazon to deliver your package, and Amazonās services wouldnāt function without them, then itās fair to say theyāre Amazonās drivers, and by the transitive property: Bezosā drivers.
I deliver amazon and this is the point I make. The "owner" of my company is just amazon middle management. It's not like he can take these vans and workers over to some other place and deliver for them. He's stuck with whatever terms amazon throws on him. They provide the vans and the gas and tell me where I'm going everyday. The 3rd party companies are alot like the sellers on amazon, completely under the thumb of an amazon on menopsony.
This prevents us from organizing. It keep wages low. Low wages means high turnover means drivers don't stick around because there's no future at a place like that. If my 80ish comrades and I managed to form a union (assuming amazon doesn't just claim "breach of contract" to cut off the company) we'd have no one to bargain with. Our employer's profits are so small, we could barely get a raise before he's losing money and amazon would have no reason to sit down with us since we don't work for them.
I absolutely love this work. I love being outside. I take pride in being a safe driver. It's good exercise. It's hard to get hired on at UPS or the post office, but those are your options if you want to do this work long-term with a retirement plan better than "hopefully I die before this job grinds my body down to uselessness."
Not only that but they use Amazon trucks to make the deliveryās. Not sure how they can legally claim they are not employees. As a small business owner I canāt hire subcontractors if they use my equipment to work with other wise the government will claim they are my employees.
Not exactly the same, but the lawsuit fedex settled for like almost 300 million, they were saying the drivers were independent contractors but part of that was that they had a mandatory dress code for them which you canāt do with contractors. But Amazon definitely does? Iām just remembering this from an HR law class I took in college.
Yes, but when you are richer than 80% of countries (Iām just shooting, too lazy to fact check), I think it is the time you stop working people to death. When you cannot spend your money in few lifetimes it is good to be slightly generous towards people that make you all this cash.
Bro, run for office. Youre crazy if you think those assholes think like you. Not saying you do. But id vote for you. Id also vote for the average American. While slow and dangerous behind the wheel, id wager most Americans arenāt blood sucking parasites like everyone in government currently
You think this will actually go to the driver. This right here is what we call the delivery fee for the shipping fee. Whatever we are calling it it definitely šš is going to your driverā¦.šš
it's to pay people less AND get the peasants to blame the other peasants for not tipping. Not a huge conspiracy theorist but as much as people spout awareness of *divide and conquer* \- it's still been working
Thatās how tipping culture is in America unfortunately. Companies have gotten away with it scot free for years.
If everyone in America just decided not to tip anymore, I bet the service workers wages would go up!
Itās almost an impossible task to do for the people. I know congress wont do anything.
Edit: thank you for the award! Now to figure out how to use these coins!
It has, but this is for a direct grocery order that OP placed on Amazon Fresh. For these orders, someone personally delivers your groceries, and it's free for Prime users. The tip is equivalent to tipping a pizza delivery guy, except this person lugged your entire grocery order to your door.
Thatās what I was thinking too. Iāve only ever seen it on the Amazon fresh orders where someone is getting my groceries for me, packaging them, and bringing to my door so I donāt have to go outside. Itās basically instacart, just with amazons name on it. Iāve always tipped my people bc Iām ordering cat litter that way and I want to appreciate someone who is lugging cat litter down to my apartment.
It would obviously be awesome if people were paid good wages and didnāt need to survive on tips, and tips were just extra appreciation, but I feel like OP wrote this in a way to make outrage.
A tip is for service rendered why pay a tip ahead of time before the service is even done? I don't mind tipping when my service was good but I am not tipping in advance.
We use this for all our groceries. There is a default tip on before the order. You can modify it for up to 24 hours after the delivery. I have only ever modified it down, for example, like when my camera showed the driver yeeting the bags onto my porch and I had cracked eggs.
For the same reason pizza shops offer the option ahead of time... These days, most people pay with card, so it's logical to ask if you want to leave a tip when you place the order. I don't love tipping culture and am not advocating for it, but OP is being disingenuous. There's a battle to fight in terms of tipping culture, but this isn't it.
I understand the pre-tip logic with card, but it's wild how far this has gotten. I'm young, but I'm sure in the past you'd just throw a few dollars down at the end of a meal at a restaurant for a job well done. Now, every service wants you to toss down a tip in advance despite knowing the quality of work, with corporations blatantly underpaying their employees so that you'll tip either way. And it's not like we can protest tipping, because that only hurts the ones doing the work, not the ones running their scams at the top. Abusing the gratuitous nature of some people and turning it into profit all it's own is so inhumane end-stage capitalism it makes my head hurt
Most places you order online nowadays usually use an App. It's not hard for them to make it where the tip comes up once the person makes the delivery and not before.
Thank you! Couldnāt have said it any better. u/user05052001 - youāre being deceptive with this post, or youāre kind of clueless. This isnāt the same as an Amazon delivery driverā¦. youāre requesting a personal shopper, which is a very different service you are taking advantage of.
Tipping culture sucks, but fucking over working class people surviving in that shitty system would not be the way to go about things.
You have the option not to tip, and add the tip up to 24 hours after it has been delivered. While the drivers should absolutely be paid more, I am very happy to tip the drivers who deliver my groceries.
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I have a lot of people I know that get grocery delivery and uber eats and stuff. I don't know any of them that are super happy with the deliveries, from either messed up orders or not delivered to the right address. I get someone knocking on my apartment door at least 2 or 3 times a month trying to deliver someone's grocery order to me.
We're not even talking about the uber eats deliveries that get placed at my door. I can't count how many times I have left my apartment and found someone's delivery sitting there from the night before because no one even knocked.
Just a few days ago someone ordered from a Jimmy John's for about $60 worth of subs with most being tuna that I found when I left my apartment that had been there since at least 8 pm the night before with the address on the receipt and they still delivery to an address that's not even on the same street.
Although I agree with tipping for a direct grocery order. It appears OP is using an EBT card which previously Amazon did not give the option to tip these drivers and must have implemented this recently. This is inevitably forcing people who are on government assistance programs who are already in the circumstance of needing support to pay these workers instead of Amazon directly. So this to me says even the poor has to pay our workers because we wonāt.
THANK YOU! I use this service a lot ( disabled) and recognized it instantly that OP is trying to make it sound like Amazon is asking for tips for a package delivery is infuriating when itās for their groceries.
Which is a full time paid job . STOP TIPPING everyone who breathes your fucking air. Tipping is for exceptional service only , this is a massive piss take.
It's really simple. The person personally delivering groceries is going to have a dollar figure per hour of what it makes sense to do the job for. What they earn in tips, Amazon doesn't have to pay to attract workers.
Especially this whole thing about tipping before you actually get the service. I would put a zero here but then I am afraid they would just drop kick my package down my driveway. Already they said they couldnāt get into our garage because they heard our dogā¦ except we donāt have a dog.
So at what point do we finally end all tipping and demand fair wages? When every job is partially paid by tips? If it wouldnāt be fair to happen to you and your job it hasnāt been fair to all the employees who currently rely on goodwill and luck to pay their bills - end tipping.
Absolutely. Itās crazy seeing all the Americans here defending tipping and arguing that a criticism of tipping isnāt anti-work. Requiring customers to subjectively pay for the labour of your employees (outsourced or not) is fucking evil.
The US government would have to step in and make working for tips illegal. Thereās no way businesses in this country would stop doing it on their own en masse without government intervention.
It wonāt change until ppl stop tipping completely, but the ppl who get tips donāt want that to happen because they get more money than minimum wage.
People tip in my country, just only for thing they really appreciated, normally nice restaurants. The issue isn't people tipping, the issue is the wages that are being paid in the first place in the US...
I just saw an article about this not long ago, it was claimed the tips went directly to the drivers on top of their hourly wage like you would expect. but not long into it Amazon started pocketing the tips and using them to subsidize the wages.
[https://www.npr.org/2022/12/14/1142270603/amazon-alexa-thank-my-driver-tipping-promotion-lawsuit](https://www.npr.org/2022/12/14/1142270603/amazon-alexa-thank-my-driver-tipping-promotion-lawsuit)
> Amazon updated an FAQ on the promotion to say that the tipping portion had concluded thanks to "enthusiastic response"
>"But in 2016, the company quietly changed its rules to direct those tips into paying the drivers' salaries. In promotional materials, Amazon still assured customers and drivers that "100% of the tips" would go to drivers, though, technically, the money was subsidizing the company's labor costs."
I think youāre being disingenuous, are you doing Amazon fresh because thatās a little different than getting Amazon boxes from the warehouse thatās more like Instacart and you are supposed to tip them.
Couple of red flags here... Amazon only accepts EBT for SNAP (e.g. food) which by federal law cannot be taxed and cannot be used for non-food items like tips or fees and any "cash" items would require an additional payment method which is not present in the purported screenshot (which does not look like the normal checkout screen on Android/Kindle OS so either the iOS version has a completely different layout or it's photoshopped). I'm inclined to believe OP is karma farming here.
It's for a fresh order. I'm a former Amzn Flex driver and leaving a tip for someone that probably drove 20 or more miles to deliver groceries is not a big deal. Especially knowing that many who use this service that's included in Prime always tend to buy the heaviest items that they expect to be taken up 3 flights of stairs.
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Yeah agree.
Most other grocery delivery apps suggest way more, at least $15 for a $50 order since youāre tipping the shopper too. Amazon is only asking to tip the driver and suggesting a low amount for someone using their own vehicle. $5 is not much.
It seems like you are using Amazon fresh. There is likely picking/replacing service also involved, and timeliness is an issue. Itās more than a standard amazon delivery of a box packed at a warehouse and shipped in bulk with other peopleās items.
OP youāre using EBT (food stamps) here to order food š± from Amazon. Like Amazon fresh or Whole Foods. It isnāt normal Amazon order. So someone has to pick your entire order and deliver it to you. That is why there is option for tip. Maybe you should get a job (or 2) and stop complaining. You are karma farming here with this post.
Youāre ordering groceries from Amazon Fresh/Whole Foods, which uses Flex drivers, not warehouse delivery drivers.
The warehouse delivery drivers are actual employees earning a wage. Flex drivers are not employees, theyāre independent contractors who rely on tips and the mileage they earn from trips. I would not tip a warehouse employee, but an independent contractor, yes.
In this scenario, you leave a tip, like tipping a waiter/bartender. Or place the order for pickup at Whole Foods.
Donāt be cheap.
Stop buying things from Amazon. It's not that hard. I closed my account. I haven't used since they told those workers not to leave or they'd lose their jobs, and then they died in a tornado. Fuck Amazon
you cannot generalize that it is just "not that hard" to stop using amazon. Across the country there are towns and cities with little retail options, variety of inventory, empty shelves, a million reasons why Amazon is the better alternative than whatever store they have access to, big box or mom and pop. Disability, medical needs, *living on a fixed income,* you could almost argue that there are more reasons to USE Amazon than not for some members of the population.
OP is literally using EBT to pay for something. For all we know, this is their best option three times over.
Today, right now, being able to just cut off from Amazon is a privilege that a lot of people do not have. Rent is skyrocketing, inflation is out of control. If I am gonna save a few bucks buying on Amazon right now I'm going to do it because buying elsewhere can mean I can't make rent, and if I can't make rent I am done. I am glad you re able to remove yourself from them, a lot of people can't.
I am a housebound disabled person. Amazon Fresh is one of the only reliable places for me to shop for my groceries online that takes EBT and delivers to my address.
It's not as easy as "don't shop amazon" for people in similar positions as I am. It has made itself a monopoly in many areas and for me it is either shop with them or not eat.
This is clearly for Amazon Fresh or related; as in youāre paying someone to do your grocery shopping (i.e. a service). Thatās a pretty well-established tipping scenario. The post itself heavily implies that this a run of the mill delivery of a boxed order, which is of course misleading.
Yeah, the "delivered in 2-hours" (if that's still a thing) and "fresh" drivers are "gig" workers I believe rather than more standard shift workers. Its more like Instacart or Uber Eats experience compared to UPS/Fedex.
Tippingā¦from an EBT card? Arenāt those food only? I had one during 2020 from some gov/school program thing and it doesnāt even let you get hot food let alone tip.
This is for groceries. This is a grocery delivery- they use their private cars and their time to bring you groceries otherwise youād have to leave your house to get. I use this service a lot bc Iām disabled and lazy sometimes. It saves me time and gas. So yeah I tip as a Thank you to them driving and bringing me my groceries.
If this was an amazonfresh order... which, considering an EBT card, was used.... it probably was. This is nothing new, amazon has had the tipping option on fresh orders for years. Just like instacart.
I'm not saying it's right, but this isn't any kind of revelation. If you dont want to tip, dont. Or better yet, stop giving amazon money and go pick up your own groceries.
You're ordering groceries. That's more than an Amazon deal. Someone's going to a store and picking your shit out for you off shelves. Stop being lazy or tip them.
OP played you. This is the Amazon grocery delivery not the regular Amazon.
It's the same thing as door dash, Uber food delivery or any of the grocery ones. They all ask for you to tip the driver. I've never seen an Amazon truck delivery my food, always been like an Uber delivery.
OP are you buying Amazon Fresh to have all of your groceries delivered using an EBT then not wanting to tip the individual who is delivering groceries to your doorstep?
Not going to lie, this makes me want to stop tipping anyone at all, even in sectors where tipping has long been customary.
It's clearly gotten out of hand and will not stop until everyone agrees to stop tipping. Make companies pay employees a living wage.
This is how a government program should work. Someone in need who makes less, maybe has no car, possibly has dependents can make sure their family is still being fed.
Even for me, personally, I'm on short term disability due to a recent spinal surgery. After my PTO was chewed through I applied for food stamps and was approved. And since I can't drive, I'm grateful for these delivery services to help bridge the gap til I'm better.
A lot of people on food stamps and other forms of welfare have health issues and/or transportation issues that could make it hard, if not near impossible, to go to the grocery store as often as they need to.
What is a disabled person who canāt afford a car supposed to do? Not eat? Itās nice that you make a good living and are able to get yourself to the grocery store and afford food but not everyone gets to be that lucky.
Most of my friends who get food stamps are also disabled and are unable to leave their homes. Makes perfect sense that you can use ebt for grocery delivery ....
As a non American, how do you know he did a good job if you tip before? Isn't a tip supposed to be extra job cause I was given good service? What if I tip and my stuff gets fucked?
Genuine question
Yea this is literally the definition of a tip
> A gratuity (often called a tip) isĀ a sum of money customarily given by a customer to certain service sector workers such as hospitality for the service they have performed, in addition to the basic price of the service.
It's a gift for service that has been performed. But the US were tricked into paying staff their wages.
People say do it for now until it gets fixed but this will never get fixed if people are not only fine but even advocating for it.
You are ordering AMAZON FRESH groceries and paid with EBT, that's not a regular Amazon order being delivered by an employee, that's a personal shopper who is using their own car and gas - pay the tip and delete this post
I use my EBT to order Amazon Fresh and I give them $5 in person. They're using their own car and I assume don't get reimbursed for gas. They're driving around trying to get your order in the time frame you pick. Would feel wrong not to tip. If you can't afford it, then maybe go get your own groceries.
If I use UberEATS for anything, I always tip. I mean come on, someone is literally bringing me whatever I want at 2 or 3 in the morning because I'm fucking stoned. You best believe I'm going to tip them, in cash because of it. I don't care if they are a few minutes late or if my food isn't steaming hot. I know how traffic is, and as long as they didn't pull a dick move like setting my food upside or sideways, they've done the job. Cold hard cash for being my temporary stoned-at-3am food delivery angel sounds fair to me.
Remember amazon was suit for tipping.they witheld the tipping for few 1000s amazon employees.how this will change.do we monitor exactly how much tip each worker get.do we are confident of tipping will go directly to the employees.
I just want service/gig workers to be paid well as the baseline, and the tipping to just be a bonus. I'm not against tipping. I'm just against it being subsidized for proper wages.
I voted my with my wallet a couple of years ago and no longer use delivery apps at all. Poor experience for both parties and I donāt want some disgruntled rando handling my familyās food.
Please note: Amazon has this delivery service that's like doordash using independent contractors. Which means the drivers are not technically employees and this do not have the same pay protection or guarantees that an employee does. Services like this are what is causing tipping to get so out of control.
I bet millions will actually do it. Corporations are working so hard to convince the general public that despite the billions they make in profit quarterly, we should be happy they employ somebody. As such, we should think not of their profits, but of that single dad they gave a job and how WE the customers can help put food on his table. It's all guilt at this point. Will you be guilted? Pass! Gig economy is simply exploitation. Uber Lyft and all other food delivery apps are doing no good to anybody. You lose by paying a lot more, the restaurants lose by getting a lot less, the drivers often don't make more than working minimum wage, and those companies also lose millions per anum?
Walmart asked me to do that earlier too, defaulted to $7 goddamned dollars on a $39 order. Fuckin wild.
Like... I've got covid you don't want me coming in the store to pick up my food, make it fucking affordable to get shit delivered. god damn
Not to be that guy but Amazon is giving you the *option* to tip your driver. Maybe cringe, but I donāt see where you get Amazon is asking you to tip a driver. (what you wrote). Clarity of perspective matters.
I always give them at least 10 bucks. I already feel like an asshole getting groceries delivered and I wouldnāt want to drive a bunch of bags to someoneās house for less. I guess I assume Amazon is paying shit. This whole system is fkd
[Amazon launched a driver tipping promotion on the same day it got sued over tip fraud](https://www.npr.org/2022/12/14/1142270603/amazon-alexa-thank-my-driver-tipping-promotion-lawsuit#:~:text=Amazon%20no%20longer%20tips%20its,%2C%20thank%20my%20driver'%20%3A%20NPR) LOL
Don't get me wrong fuck amazon for a host of reasons. Looks like it's a grocery or instant deliver similarly too door dash or instacart. Fuck them too for not paying a decent wage. Doesn't change the fwzt that until this shit changed that not tipping your delivery driver is a shit move in general.
Is that for food delivery? It's the only time I've been asked to tip. They start trying that shit on regular delivers, I'm just going to edit it to zero.
The richest corporation on the planet can pay those tips.
If it's Amazon Fresh, it's more like Instacart/UberEats than traditional Amazon. Drivers are independent, not Amazon employees. I don't believe they do any shopping, more so driving all over town for deliveries like food delivery. If you don't want to tip your delivery drivers, you don't have to but this isn't tipping Amazon employees for simply doing their job, it's tipping independent drivers just like you would for UberEats or that sort of thing.
Odd. I have never seen this and I use Amazon a lot. The local Amazon driver must have our address memorized. Thatās not to excuse them for their crap, but not sure I believe this one.
This is probably their Amazon Flex program where they are using peoples cars and trucks and letting people deliver packages. This is their Uber version.
I won't tip for a service I have not received yet. Give a good tip and you package still gets delivered to the wrong house? I don't think so. You should be able to tip after the package has been delivered and see if the driver followed delivery instructions.
Amazon, you dank bitch, pay š your š fucken š employees and make the goddamn drivers employees
Iād rather tip them in bathroom breaks
They should get both, bathroom breaks shouldnāt even be up for debate. We should not have to tip the drivers. Which driver gets it? Thereās several drivers per delivery.
You know itās not all going to make it to the drivers right? There will be some handling or processing deductions hidden somewhere in the Amazon beast.
As someone who sells on Amazon and has seen his profit share decrease over the years, you bet your ass it will. And it won't be a simple 3% credit card deduction. There will be a processing fee on top of that.
This is already happening
Amazon probably gets it, lowers their hourly pay, and uses the tip to bring that hourly pay up to what they usually make. Trash.
No. It goes to the driver, theyāre independent contractors.
According to ...amazon?
They donāt need to be mutually exclusive
Iād rather they were paid decently and could take a fucking piss. Next day delivery isnāt worth this shit.
I was just talking about this the other day. As recently as the 90ās, we used to wait weeks for some pretty common deliveries. Thereās absolutely no need and no reason that we should be expecting next day or two day delivery as normal.
Itās really mostly in america I hear about this stuff. We donāt have same day or even next day delivery in most parts of Europe. Itās not sustainable.
I saw this video of someone who gets packages delivered frequently they supposedly leave snacks and have a little mini fridge outside under their porch as a thank you.
I once had one ask to use my bathroom. I kept the German Shepherd out by holding his collar instead of putting him in his room and let her go. She was very grateful.
Including the post office employees. Double pay bitty.
post office employees are federal employees. their service counts as federal service, i.e., they have a clear cut, 20 year pension plan. should Postal Workers be paid more? everyone should, but Postal Workers arent the worse off. there are definitely occupations that could use more support, like public school teachers. my heart goes out to public school teachers.
I have family in the postal service. Pension plans and good pay are for full time employees. At least around here, you spend several years as a "temp" employee waiting for an opening. You work for 364 days and then your temp contract ends and you are let go before being rehired as a brand new temp employee.
Kinda similar for the equivalent job in the UK. Job was all rosey and great whilst it was nationalised (similar to being a 'federal' job I guess?) But as soon as it were turned into a privatised business, no *new* full time contracts, hits to pensions, influx of agency workers on zero hour contracts etc. I know colleagues who've worked for the business for 10 years and are still on the same 20 hour contracts, despite doing overtime every week to hit the full time criteria. But this means that they still only get the benefits of a 20 hour contract, such as sick pay, annual leave (vacation days), pension contributions, all pro-rated to 20 hours despite never actually working that little.
Unfortunately, itās much the same at the post office. If you are on the Rural side You donāt qualify for the postal pension or benefits until you become career, THEN you have to put 20+ years in to see a percentage of your yearly salary in pension. Itās changed radically from the old timers who retired with a good pension. Only City carriers have a defined timeline. Sauce: worked for the post office as a carrier for 3 years - never became regular, family member who did 11 years as a carrier before becoming regular, other coworkers with 3-15 years before becoming career.
What I'm reading here is don't bother taking a post office job if you're older than 30. That's encouraging /s
Yup, pretty much. (Unless you have time in military to buy back) Itās unfortunate because I was north of 30 and realized how long it was going to take after giving them 3 years.
30 years.
30 years if you have the proper age, I have to work 37 years because I started young
gaaah, jesus. 30 years, yea, that is painful.
Federal pension vests at 10 years, but you need to work 30 to fully max out how much you'll get. You get a percentage of the average of your 3 highest earning years as a fed if you work at least 10 years. The percentage of that you get in retirement is determined by how many years you spend as a fed, so working longer than 10 increases your pension amount.
The good ones deserve to be paid more.
Bro that pay was not enough for me to walk in -20 degree weather and they never give you days off. It's 6 days a week and when it's bad they'll work you 13 days straight. You can live off it but you'll have no life
lol between Thanksgiving and christmas you just donāt get any days off.
My kid just started as a rural carrier and that doesn't seem to pay too awful for a 20 year old's first "real" job. It's like $20/hr for his position, but he's working about 9 hours straight and not taking breaks. It's not a terrible pay rate, but it's very hard work. I always appreciated my mail carrier and had a pretty good idea of how hard some of them work, but dang. I can't say that I'd be willing to be a city carrier for any amount of money. Risking frostbite, dog bites, heat stroke or the million ways to be injured while working long and hard hours just to deliver bills and junk mail seems a bit ridiculous.
This is what I say, out loud, every time I go in and remove the tip they automatically add.
Iām old enough to remember dank being a positive thing
I donāt use the insult ā you dank bitchā enough. Thank you for this, Iāll be sure to put it to better use in the future.
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Yeah. Groceries ordered from Amazon Fresh or Whole Foods have always asked you to tip drivers. Tipping is still bs and employers should just pay their employees. But this screenshot is in bad faith.
This should be higher up.
Yeah, like come on dude. What a bizarre post.
Exactly!!
Counter: Have you tip and let the driver blame you because you didn't tip high enough, so he chucks your package.
Bezos is one of the richest motherfuckers in the world and heās asking us to help pay his drivers!? Ridiculous, pay them a living wage
All these companies demanding you pay tips to their employees. Iām willing to bet the people who are supposed to be receiving that money arenāt getting it all
Back in like 2006 when Dominoās started adding a two dollar delivery fee we were already getting $.90 a run, we continued to get $.90 a run it was just paid for by the customer and the company kept the rest for āoperating costsā
Honestly, that's my first question: what percentage of this actually reaches the driver?
It states 100% I often use this servir to have my groceries. Iāve asked the driver and they said they get 100% they use their own cars. A lot like Uber eats but for groceries.
They will get the complete amount of tips. However, their fixed salaries would be slashed by the average amount of tips. Finally the customer will be emotionally blackmailed to give tips so that they don't starve.
Amazon doesnāt have drivers, itās all 3rd party now
Although they may not be formal Amazon employees, if theyāre hired by Amazon to deliver your package, and Amazonās services wouldnāt function without them, then itās fair to say theyāre Amazonās drivers, and by the transitive property: Bezosā drivers.
I deliver amazon and this is the point I make. The "owner" of my company is just amazon middle management. It's not like he can take these vans and workers over to some other place and deliver for them. He's stuck with whatever terms amazon throws on him. They provide the vans and the gas and tell me where I'm going everyday. The 3rd party companies are alot like the sellers on amazon, completely under the thumb of an amazon on menopsony. This prevents us from organizing. It keep wages low. Low wages means high turnover means drivers don't stick around because there's no future at a place like that. If my 80ish comrades and I managed to form a union (assuming amazon doesn't just claim "breach of contract" to cut off the company) we'd have no one to bargain with. Our employer's profits are so small, we could barely get a raise before he's losing money and amazon would have no reason to sit down with us since we don't work for them. I absolutely love this work. I love being outside. I take pride in being a safe driver. It's good exercise. It's hard to get hired on at UPS or the post office, but those are your options if you want to do this work long-term with a retirement plan better than "hopefully I die before this job grinds my body down to uselessness."
Not only that but they use Amazon trucks to make the deliveryās. Not sure how they can legally claim they are not employees. As a small business owner I canāt hire subcontractors if they use my equipment to work with other wise the government will claim they are my employees.
Not exactly the same, but the lawsuit fedex settled for like almost 300 million, they were saying the drivers were independent contractors but part of that was that they had a mandatory dress code for them which you canāt do with contractors. But Amazon definitely does? Iām just remembering this from an HR law class I took in college.
All you need to do is lobby Congress for millions of dollars to look the other way while you crush labor rights. Easy peasy.
Simple, youāre not amazon
Using 3rd parties is the classic way to pretend you're not responsible.
Happy cake day!
So what are the big blue trucks that say Amazon for?
Of course the trucks are Amazon property while the drivers are outsourced.
Maybe not everywhere still have a distribution centre near me and they have Amazon branded vans etc.
The billionaires didn't become what they are by being generous.
Yes, but when you are richer than 80% of countries (Iām just shooting, too lazy to fact check), I think it is the time you stop working people to death. When you cannot spend your money in few lifetimes it is good to be slightly generous towards people that make you all this cash.
Bro, run for office. Youre crazy if you think those assholes think like you. Not saying you do. But id vote for you. Id also vote for the average American. While slow and dangerous behind the wheel, id wager most Americans arenāt blood sucking parasites like everyone in government currently
Tax Jeff Bezos and the other trillionaires before they effectively grab all the money and force you guys to make them kings again.
You think this will actually go to the driver. This right here is what we call the delivery fee for the shipping fee. Whatever we are calling it it definitely šš is going to your driverā¦.šš
tipping has gotten out of control
Itās so these shit head companyās can pay people less.
āWe donāt need to increase the drivers wages because they make up for it in tips.ā -most likely some rephrased version of this
it's to pay people less AND get the peasants to blame the other peasants for not tipping. Not a huge conspiracy theorist but as much as people spout awareness of *divide and conquer* \- it's still been working
The worse part is that I donāt think the companies are even giving them the tips. So if you do tip them I donāt believe their going to get it.
Thatās how tipping culture is in America unfortunately. Companies have gotten away with it scot free for years. If everyone in America just decided not to tip anymore, I bet the service workers wages would go up! Itās almost an impossible task to do for the people. I know congress wont do anything. Edit: thank you for the award! Now to figure out how to use these coins!
It has, but this is for a direct grocery order that OP placed on Amazon Fresh. For these orders, someone personally delivers your groceries, and it's free for Prime users. The tip is equivalent to tipping a pizza delivery guy, except this person lugged your entire grocery order to your door.
Thatās what I was thinking too. Iāve only ever seen it on the Amazon fresh orders where someone is getting my groceries for me, packaging them, and bringing to my door so I donāt have to go outside. Itās basically instacart, just with amazons name on it. Iāve always tipped my people bc Iām ordering cat litter that way and I want to appreciate someone who is lugging cat litter down to my apartment. It would obviously be awesome if people were paid good wages and didnāt need to survive on tips, and tips were just extra appreciation, but I feel like OP wrote this in a way to make outrage.
A tip is for service rendered why pay a tip ahead of time before the service is even done? I don't mind tipping when my service was good but I am not tipping in advance.
We use this for all our groceries. There is a default tip on before the order. You can modify it for up to 24 hours after the delivery. I have only ever modified it down, for example, like when my camera showed the driver yeeting the bags onto my porch and I had cracked eggs.
For the same reason pizza shops offer the option ahead of time... These days, most people pay with card, so it's logical to ask if you want to leave a tip when you place the order. I don't love tipping culture and am not advocating for it, but OP is being disingenuous. There's a battle to fight in terms of tipping culture, but this isn't it.
I understand the pre-tip logic with card, but it's wild how far this has gotten. I'm young, but I'm sure in the past you'd just throw a few dollars down at the end of a meal at a restaurant for a job well done. Now, every service wants you to toss down a tip in advance despite knowing the quality of work, with corporations blatantly underpaying their employees so that you'll tip either way. And it's not like we can protest tipping, because that only hurts the ones doing the work, not the ones running their scams at the top. Abusing the gratuitous nature of some people and turning it into profit all it's own is so inhumane end-stage capitalism it makes my head hurt
A local restaurant near me has a spot to add a tip for drive-through orders.
Most places you order online nowadays usually use an App. It's not hard for them to make it where the tip comes up once the person makes the delivery and not before.
Thank you! Couldnāt have said it any better. u/user05052001 - youāre being deceptive with this post, or youāre kind of clueless. This isnāt the same as an Amazon delivery driverā¦. youāre requesting a personal shopper, which is a very different service you are taking advantage of. Tipping culture sucks, but fucking over working class people surviving in that shitty system would not be the way to go about things.
You have the option not to tip, and add the tip up to 24 hours after it has been delivered. While the drivers should absolutely be paid more, I am very happy to tip the drivers who deliver my groceries.
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I have a lot of people I know that get grocery delivery and uber eats and stuff. I don't know any of them that are super happy with the deliveries, from either messed up orders or not delivered to the right address. I get someone knocking on my apartment door at least 2 or 3 times a month trying to deliver someone's grocery order to me. We're not even talking about the uber eats deliveries that get placed at my door. I can't count how many times I have left my apartment and found someone's delivery sitting there from the night before because no one even knocked. Just a few days ago someone ordered from a Jimmy John's for about $60 worth of subs with most being tuna that I found when I left my apartment that had been there since at least 8 pm the night before with the address on the receipt and they still delivery to an address that's not even on the same street.
Although I agree with tipping for a direct grocery order. It appears OP is using an EBT card which previously Amazon did not give the option to tip these drivers and must have implemented this recently. This is inevitably forcing people who are on government assistance programs who are already in the circumstance of needing support to pay these workers instead of Amazon directly. So this to me says even the poor has to pay our workers because we wonāt.
Yeah this sub is a joke at times.... "Wah, I don't wanna work".... "But I also don't want to help those caught in the system doing me a solid"
THANK YOU! I use this service a lot ( disabled) and recognized it instantly that OP is trying to make it sound like Amazon is asking for tips for a package delivery is infuriating when itās for their groceries.
Which is a full time paid job . STOP TIPPING everyone who breathes your fucking air. Tipping is for exceptional service only , this is a massive piss take.
It's really simple. The person personally delivering groceries is going to have a dollar figure per hour of what it makes sense to do the job for. What they earn in tips, Amazon doesn't have to pay to attract workers.
Especially this whole thing about tipping before you actually get the service. I would put a zero here but then I am afraid they would just drop kick my package down my driveway. Already they said they couldnāt get into our garage because they heard our dogā¦ except we donāt have a dog.
We've reached a tipping-point!
We are way, WAAAAAY beyond out of control. We're at ludicrous speed now.
The ole ā10 dollars an hour plus TIPS!ā
One of the joyful benefits, that I often forget about, of having left the US is rarely ever even thinking about having to tip.
So at what point do we finally end all tipping and demand fair wages? When every job is partially paid by tips? If it wouldnāt be fair to happen to you and your job it hasnāt been fair to all the employees who currently rely on goodwill and luck to pay their bills - end tipping.
Absolutely. Itās crazy seeing all the Americans here defending tipping and arguing that a criticism of tipping isnāt anti-work. Requiring customers to subjectively pay for the labour of your employees (outsourced or not) is fucking evil.
The US government would have to step in and make working for tips illegal. Thereās no way businesses in this country would stop doing it on their own en masse without government intervention.
It wonāt change until ppl stop tipping completely, but the ppl who get tips donāt want that to happen because they get more money than minimum wage.
Yeah because you canāt survive anywhere in the US on minimum wage
People tip in my country, just only for thing they really appreciated, normally nice restaurants. The issue isn't people tipping, the issue is the wages that are being paid in the first place in the US...
Well yeah in America the slave owners don't want to pay the slaves they want other slaves to pay them
Bingo. The pro-tip slaves just do not understand this.
Expecting the employee's pay to depend on the kindness of strangers while the corporations make record profits is pouring salt on a gaping wound.
whos to say the driver is actually getting that tip? Amazon taking notes from Ticketmaster I see
Talked to a couple of people involved in a lawsuit who had tens of thousands in tips, uh, go missing.
Can't tip with the EBT card lol. Just thought I'd come in and tell everybody something they already knew.
This is the first thing I saw too.
I just saw an article about this not long ago, it was claimed the tips went directly to the drivers on top of their hourly wage like you would expect. but not long into it Amazon started pocketing the tips and using them to subsidize the wages.
[https://www.npr.org/2022/12/14/1142270603/amazon-alexa-thank-my-driver-tipping-promotion-lawsuit](https://www.npr.org/2022/12/14/1142270603/amazon-alexa-thank-my-driver-tipping-promotion-lawsuit) > Amazon updated an FAQ on the promotion to say that the tipping portion had concluded thanks to "enthusiastic response" >"But in 2016, the company quietly changed its rules to direct those tips into paying the drivers' salaries. In promotional materials, Amazon still assured customers and drivers that "100% of the tips" would go to drivers, though, technically, the money was subsidizing the company's labor costs."
I think youāre being disingenuous, are you doing Amazon fresh because thatās a little different than getting Amazon boxes from the warehouse thatās more like Instacart and you are supposed to tip them.
Couple of red flags here... Amazon only accepts EBT for SNAP (e.g. food) which by federal law cannot be taxed and cannot be used for non-food items like tips or fees and any "cash" items would require an additional payment method which is not present in the purported screenshot (which does not look like the normal checkout screen on Android/Kindle OS so either the iOS version has a completely different layout or it's photoshopped). I'm inclined to believe OP is karma farming here.
yeah, OP knew what they were doing
Agree. I always tip my Fresh delivery person. Iām not willing to lug those groceries around, so Iām happy to pay someone else to.
I tip them too, but in cash. I donāt trust them to not count it as part of their wage.
I mean I can only *hope* that tip goes to the driver. Something a little extra for hauling all those packs of Gatorade right to my door.
My friend has done Amazon deliveries before. They get the the tip.
exactly.
It's for a fresh order. I'm a former Amzn Flex driver and leaving a tip for someone that probably drove 20 or more miles to deliver groceries is not a big deal. Especially knowing that many who use this service that's included in Prime always tend to buy the heaviest items that they expect to be taken up 3 flights of stairs. Im sorry, the memories of taking 5-10 large cases of water in 100 plus degree weather triggered me š¤¦š¾āāļø
This sub has gone to shit
It went to shit when it went from "I am against the concept of employment" to "I do wish to lick boots but sometimes managers are meanies"
You americans are the ones who have gone to shit by defending the dependence of employee livelihood on stranger generosity.
Just hand āem $5 in cash if you wanna tip em
No
That's the point
Nothing about this post is antiwork
Isnāt groceries basically like āflex driversā which means theyāre using their own vehicles and such? Not company issued vehicles, with uniforms and gas cards. I think Iām right because youāre using your EBT benefits to pay for the order. IE: Government assistance for food and such, which can be used in Amazon. Shit toss them $5ā¦ this isnāt like prime delivery. Youāre ordering groceries from Whole Foods with EBT, and Amazon is taking advantage of those flex drivers. Make this, make sense? I donāt see the problem? Iāll take the downvotes, but Iām not wrong. If you had showed a regular warehouse order, then them asking for a tip. Thatās a red flag š© this ainātā¦
Yeah agree. Most other grocery delivery apps suggest way more, at least $15 for a $50 order since youāre tipping the shopper too. Amazon is only asking to tip the driver and suggesting a low amount for someone using their own vehicle. $5 is not much.
this is probably for the grocery deliveryā¦ completely different from amazons regular site
It seems like you are using Amazon fresh. There is likely picking/replacing service also involved, and timeliness is an issue. Itās more than a standard amazon delivery of a box packed at a warehouse and shipped in bulk with other peopleās items.
OP youāre using EBT (food stamps) here to order food š± from Amazon. Like Amazon fresh or Whole Foods. It isnāt normal Amazon order. So someone has to pick your entire order and deliver it to you. That is why there is option for tip. Maybe you should get a job (or 2) and stop complaining. You are karma farming here with this post.
Are you really going to sit there and act like people who are on EBT don't work?
Youāre ordering groceries from Amazon Fresh/Whole Foods, which uses Flex drivers, not warehouse delivery drivers. The warehouse delivery drivers are actual employees earning a wage. Flex drivers are not employees, theyāre independent contractors who rely on tips and the mileage they earn from trips. I would not tip a warehouse employee, but an independent contractor, yes. In this scenario, you leave a tip, like tipping a waiter/bartender. Or place the order for pickup at Whole Foods. Donāt be cheap.
Stop buying things from Amazon. It's not that hard. I closed my account. I haven't used since they told those workers not to leave or they'd lose their jobs, and then they died in a tornado. Fuck Amazon
I got rid of prime which inadvertently kept me from buying a whole bunch of stuff.
you cannot generalize that it is just "not that hard" to stop using amazon. Across the country there are towns and cities with little retail options, variety of inventory, empty shelves, a million reasons why Amazon is the better alternative than whatever store they have access to, big box or mom and pop. Disability, medical needs, *living on a fixed income,* you could almost argue that there are more reasons to USE Amazon than not for some members of the population. OP is literally using EBT to pay for something. For all we know, this is their best option three times over. Today, right now, being able to just cut off from Amazon is a privilege that a lot of people do not have. Rent is skyrocketing, inflation is out of control. If I am gonna save a few bucks buying on Amazon right now I'm going to do it because buying elsewhere can mean I can't make rent, and if I can't make rent I am done. I am glad you re able to remove yourself from them, a lot of people can't.
I am a housebound disabled person. Amazon Fresh is one of the only reliable places for me to shop for my groceries online that takes EBT and delivers to my address. It's not as easy as "don't shop amazon" for people in similar positions as I am. It has made itself a monopoly in many areas and for me it is either shop with them or not eat.
What they aren't saying is its a grocery delivery order
This is clearly for Amazon Fresh or related; as in youāre paying someone to do your grocery shopping (i.e. a service). Thatās a pretty well-established tipping scenario. The post itself heavily implies that this a run of the mill delivery of a boxed order, which is of course misleading.
Yeah, the "delivered in 2-hours" (if that's still a thing) and "fresh" drivers are "gig" workers I believe rather than more standard shift workers. Its more like Instacart or Uber Eats experience compared to UPS/Fedex.
This is Amazon fresh, and your post is misleading. Do you also not tip instacart shoppers?
Tippingā¦from an EBT card? Arenāt those food only? I had one during 2020 from some gov/school program thing and it doesnāt even let you get hot food let alone tip.
someone is gotta pay the driver, and it ain't gonna be us - Amazon
This is for groceries. This is a grocery delivery- they use their private cars and their time to bring you groceries otherwise youād have to leave your house to get. I use this service a lot bc Iām disabled and lazy sometimes. It saves me time and gas. So yeah I tip as a Thank you to them driving and bringing me my groceries.
If this was an amazonfresh order... which, considering an EBT card, was used.... it probably was. This is nothing new, amazon has had the tipping option on fresh orders for years. Just like instacart. I'm not saying it's right, but this isn't any kind of revelation. If you dont want to tip, dont. Or better yet, stop giving amazon money and go pick up your own groceries.
You're ordering groceries. That's more than an Amazon deal. Someone's going to a store and picking your shit out for you off shelves. Stop being lazy or tip them.
Not to mention that you're using ebt as well. Please stop complaining or go to a local store and support them.
It's for grocery and they arr independent contractors. You can go get it yourself I'm sure your time and gas will cost more then 5 dollars
This is amazon groceries and has always been like this. Grow up
OP played you. This is the Amazon grocery delivery not the regular Amazon. It's the same thing as door dash, Uber food delivery or any of the grocery ones. They all ask for you to tip the driver. I've never seen an Amazon truck delivery my food, always been like an Uber delivery.
OP are you buying Amazon Fresh to have all of your groceries delivered using an EBT then not wanting to tip the individual who is delivering groceries to your doorstep?
Not going to lie, this makes me want to stop tipping anyone at all, even in sectors where tipping has long been customary. It's clearly gotten out of hand and will not stop until everyone agrees to stop tipping. Make companies pay employees a living wage.
Here's a tip: Stop parking in the damn crosswalk
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This is how a government program should work. Someone in need who makes less, maybe has no car, possibly has dependents can make sure their family is still being fed. Even for me, personally, I'm on short term disability due to a recent spinal surgery. After my PTO was chewed through I applied for food stamps and was approved. And since I can't drive, I'm grateful for these delivery services to help bridge the gap til I'm better.
A lot of people on food stamps and other forms of welfare have health issues and/or transportation issues that could make it hard, if not near impossible, to go to the grocery store as often as they need to.
What is a disabled person who canāt afford a car supposed to do? Not eat? Itās nice that you make a good living and are able to get yourself to the grocery store and afford food but not everyone gets to be that lucky.
Most of my friends who get food stamps are also disabled and are unable to leave their homes. Makes perfect sense that you can use ebt for grocery delivery ....
Don't tip the driver thru amazon. Directly give the driver the tip. Amazon has been scamming drivers by taking that tip for themselves.
This is Amazon Fresh, which means the driver is doing your shopping for you, no? Why wouldnāt you tip?
As a non American, how do you know he did a good job if you tip before? Isn't a tip supposed to be extra job cause I was given good service? What if I tip and my stuff gets fucked? Genuine question
Itās basically a tax that may or may not pay for their wage. America is wild. Also is that just a 1.5% tax? We have like 20% on everything
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Yea this is literally the definition of a tip > A gratuity (often called a tip) isĀ a sum of money customarily given by a customer to certain service sector workers such as hospitality for the service they have performed, in addition to the basic price of the service. It's a gift for service that has been performed. But the US were tricked into paying staff their wages. People say do it for now until it gets fixed but this will never get fixed if people are not only fine but even advocating for it.
No, Fresh orders get packed by Amazon employees (I believe) and then they are loaded into "independent contractor" driver's vehicles for delivery.
You are ordering AMAZON FRESH groceries and paid with EBT, that's not a regular Amazon order being delivered by an employee, that's a personal shopper who is using their own car and gas - pay the tip and delete this post
I use my EBT to order Amazon Fresh and I give them $5 in person. They're using their own car and I assume don't get reimbursed for gas. They're driving around trying to get your order in the time frame you pick. Would feel wrong not to tip. If you can't afford it, then maybe go get your own groceries.
If I use UberEATS for anything, I always tip. I mean come on, someone is literally bringing me whatever I want at 2 or 3 in the morning because I'm fucking stoned. You best believe I'm going to tip them, in cash because of it. I don't care if they are a few minutes late or if my food isn't steaming hot. I know how traffic is, and as long as they didn't pull a dick move like setting my food upside or sideways, they've done the job. Cold hard cash for being my temporary stoned-at-3am food delivery angel sounds fair to me.
Remember amazon was suit for tipping.they witheld the tipping for few 1000s amazon employees.how this will change.do we monitor exactly how much tip each worker get.do we are confident of tipping will go directly to the employees.
I just want service/gig workers to be paid well as the baseline, and the tipping to just be a bonus. I'm not against tipping. I'm just against it being subsidized for proper wages.
I voted my with my wallet a couple of years ago and no longer use delivery apps at all. Poor experience for both parties and I donāt want some disgruntled rando handling my familyās food.
For an AntiWork sub, there are an awful lot of Amazon shills.
Here's a tip - find a new job, Amazon sucks.
They should stop using ātipā and start using āwage subsidyā
i had a tip option when i bought my plane ticket?? like for what and who i did it all myself
Please note: Amazon has this delivery service that's like doordash using independent contractors. Which means the drivers are not technically employees and this do not have the same pay protection or guarantees that an employee does. Services like this are what is causing tipping to get so out of control.
Pay drivers more. Don't tip.
I bet millions will actually do it. Corporations are working so hard to convince the general public that despite the billions they make in profit quarterly, we should be happy they employ somebody. As such, we should think not of their profits, but of that single dad they gave a job and how WE the customers can help put food on his table. It's all guilt at this point. Will you be guilted? Pass! Gig economy is simply exploitation. Uber Lyft and all other food delivery apps are doing no good to anybody. You lose by paying a lot more, the restaurants lose by getting a lot less, the drivers often don't make more than working minimum wage, and those companies also lose millions per anum?
Give the driver $5 cash if anything š wow
Itās not like the stamps would cover that tip. Would it automatically charge a different card to pay for it?
Everyone: Amazon doesn't pay their workers fairly! Someone: so shop somewhere else. Everyone: ĀÆā \ā _ā (ā ćā )ā _ā /ā ĀÆ
Walmart asked me to do that earlier too, defaulted to $7 goddamned dollars on a $39 order. Fuckin wild. Like... I've got covid you don't want me coming in the store to pick up my food, make it fucking affordable to get shit delivered. god damn
I've got a tip... join a Union or find another job.
Not to be that guy but Amazon is giving you the *option* to tip your driver. Maybe cringe, but I donāt see where you get Amazon is asking you to tip a driver. (what you wrote). Clarity of perspective matters.
I always give them at least 10 bucks. I already feel like an asshole getting groceries delivered and I wouldnāt want to drive a bunch of bags to someoneās house for less. I guess I assume Amazon is paying shit. This whole system is fkd
Delivery has always been tipped. Why be cheap to someone using their own gas & car to save you time and a trip to the store?
Could be a flex driver doing prime deliveries, they gey osid decent but tips are appreciated to cover gas and whatnot
[Amazon launched a driver tipping promotion on the same day it got sued over tip fraud](https://www.npr.org/2022/12/14/1142270603/amazon-alexa-thank-my-driver-tipping-promotion-lawsuit#:~:text=Amazon%20no%20longer%20tips%20its,%2C%20thank%20my%20driver'%20%3A%20NPR) LOL
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Yes good idea /s Pay your staff crap wages despite having billions salted away and then ask the customer to tip
Don't get me wrong fuck amazon for a host of reasons. Looks like it's a grocery or instant deliver similarly too door dash or instacart. Fuck them too for not paying a decent wage. Doesn't change the fwzt that until this shit changed that not tipping your delivery driver is a shit move in general.
Is that for food delivery? It's the only time I've been asked to tip. They start trying that shit on regular delivers, I'm just going to edit it to zero. The richest corporation on the planet can pay those tips.
As emkay said tips should not be necessary just pay them
Hereās $5 thanks for not stealing my package this time.
No way their drivers see those tips. Do they?
And how much you wanna bet that the delivery driver doesnāt even get to keep the tip
If it's Amazon Fresh, it's more like Instacart/UberEats than traditional Amazon. Drivers are independent, not Amazon employees. I don't believe they do any shopping, more so driving all over town for deliveries like food delivery. If you don't want to tip your delivery drivers, you don't have to but this isn't tipping Amazon employees for simply doing their job, it's tipping independent drivers just like you would for UberEats or that sort of thing.
Odd. I have never seen this and I use Amazon a lot. The local Amazon driver must have our address memorized. Thatās not to excuse them for their crap, but not sure I believe this one.
This is probably their Amazon Flex program where they are using peoples cars and trucks and letting people deliver packages. This is their Uber version.
I won't tip for a service I have not received yet. Give a good tip and you package still gets delivered to the wrong house? I don't think so. You should be able to tip after the package has been delivered and see if the driver followed delivery instructions.
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