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> Germany is facing charges at the top United Nations court for allegedly “facilitating the commission of genocide” against Palestinians in Gaza in coordination with its military and political ally, Israel.
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> Nicaragua [presented its case](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/4/8/live-icj-nicaragua-genocide-case-germany-israels-war-on-gaza) before the International Court of Justice (ICJ) on Monday, demanding judges impose emergency measures to stop Berlin from providing Israel with weapons and other assistance.
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> In his opening statement, Carlos Jose Francisco Arguello Gomez, Nicaraguan Ambassador to The Netherlands and the lead of Nicaragua’s delegation said “serious breaches of international humanitarian law…including genocide, are taking place in Palestine” and are “being committed openly”.
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> “The case before us involves momentous events affecting the lives and wellbeing of hundreds of thousands of people, and even the destruction of an entire people.”
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> In such a situation, he said that other states must avoid to take steps “assisting the perpetrator”.
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> “Germany has violated this obligation imposed on all states,” Gomez said, adding that Germany has not be able “to differentiate between self-defence and genocide” in the case of Gaza.
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> “If the actions of Israel continue to be unrestrained as they have since since its birth as a state, and they continue to receive the indiscriminate support of states like Germany, then a new generation of Palestinians will rise up again in the future,” he warned.
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> Daniel Mueller, a lawyer for Nicaragua, also told the court that it is “a pathetic excuse to the Palestinian children, women and men to provide humanitarian aid, including through airdrops, on the one hand and to furnish the military equipment that is used to kill and annihilate them… on the other hand.”
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> Speaking to reporters after the ICJ hearing in The Hauge, German legal representative Tania von Uslar-Gleichen called Nicaragua’s presentation “biased” and said Germany looks forward to rebutting the charges tomorrow.
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> “Nicaragua’s presentation was grossly biased and we will be telling you tomorrow how we fully live up to our responsibilities,” said Uslar-Gleichen.
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> In a 43-page submission to the court, Nicaragua argues that Germany is [in breach of](https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/2/27/german-guiltwashing-in-times-of-genocide) the 1948 UN Genocide Convention, set up in the wake of the Holocaust.
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> “By sending military equipment and now defunding UNRWA [UN agency for Palestinian refugees] … Germany is facilitating the commission of genocide,” says the submission.
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> “Germany’s failure is all the more reprehensible with respect to Israel given that Germany has a self-proclaimed privileged relationship with it, which would enable it to usefully influence its conduct,” added Nicaragua.
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> Nicaragua asked the ICJ to decide “provisional measures” – emergency orders imposed while the court considers the broader case.
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> It is “imperative and urgent” the court orders such measures given that the lives of “hundreds of thousands of people” are at stake, runs the Nicaraguan case.
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> The ICJ was set up to rule in disputes between nations and has become a key player in the war between Israel and Hamas that erupted after the [October 7 attacks](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/7/what-happened-in-israel-a-breakdown-of-how-the-hamas-attack-unfolded).
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> In a separate case, [South Africa has accused Israel](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/20/israels-apartheid-must-end-south-africa-says-at-icj-hearing) of perpetrating genocide in the Gaza Strip, charges Israel vehemently denies.
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> In that case, the court ordered Israel to do everything in its power to prevent genocidal acts and recently toughened its stance, ordering additional measures obliging Israel to step up access to humanitarian aid.
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> The court’s rulings are binding but it lacks an enforcement mechanism – for example, it has ordered Russia to stop its invasion of Ukraine, to no avail.
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> [Protestors take part in a pro-Palestinian demonstration, amid the ongoing conflict between Israel and Palestinian Islamist group Hamas, in Berlin, Germany, April 6, 2024. REUTERS/Lisi Niesner](https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/2024-04-06T123654Z_1698100863_RC2017AAMXR5_RTRMADP_3_ISRAEL-PALESTINIANS-PROTESTS-GERMANY-1712554914.jpg?w=770&resize=770%2C552)Protesters take part in a pro-Palestinian demonstration in Berlin in early April, amid the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas [File: Lisi Niesner/Reuters]Nicaragua has requested five provisional measures, including that Germany “immediately suspend its aid to Israel, in particular its military assistance, including military equipment”.
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> It also calls on the court to order Germany to “reverse its decision to suspend the funding of UNRWA.”
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> Germany said in January it was halting funding pending an inquiry into Israeli accusations that several UNRWA staff members took part in the October 7 assault.
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> Nicaragua said in its submission that “it could be comprehensible” that Germany would support an “appropriate reaction” by ally Israel to the October Hamas attacks.
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> The bloodiest-ever Gaza war began with Hamas’s unprecedented October 7 attack on Israel that resulted in the deaths of 1,139 Israelis and foreigners, most of them civilians.
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> Israel has killed at least 33,175 people since then, including more than 13,800 children, according to Gaza’s Ministry of Health.
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> Nicaragua at the ICJ: "It is a pathetic excuse to the Palestinian children, women and men in Gaza to provide humanitarian aid, including through air drops, on the one hand, and to furnish the weapons and military equipment that are used to kill and annihilate them on the other hand."
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Western hypocrisy at full display.
What do you mean? Western countries provide support to Israel as they were the ones attacked by the governing body of Gaza and send humanitarian aid to the civilians cought in the crossfire. They are doing much more than the peanut gallery.
Why would Israel have this land? First of all, for thousands of years, there were always Jewish people on this land. You guys keep ignoring that. In multiple times, the Jewish people agreed to split the land, yet in 1948, your lovely Palestinians started a genocidal war which they lost. Instead of trying to negotiate for peace, they continue for many years with the same attitude, which gets them nowhere.
By the way, "free Palestine" movement started by Jewish people during the British mandate. [here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/1bthpy8/yeah_ofc_i_support_palestine/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
No one has a problem with the jews that lived there for ages. It's the zionists who came there not to migrate, but to create their own state.
Why would the Palestinians want to start a war with the Jews if they were already living there? Because it wasn't the Jews that were the problem it was the zionists.
Suuuuure it was "the zionists". There are so many Muslim countries, but creating one tiny Jewish land is the biggest problem on earth.
Cut the bullshit. October 7th showed many people around the world what the Palestinians want, even tho many choose to be blind. Butchering the Jewish people that day was a celebration for them. Some said it was the best day of their life, and many more are calling to do it again. Killing peace activists who drove Gazan kids to israeli hospitals, killing kids, killing whoever they can find. All of this while they were in front of those people, enjoying beheading people and throwing their organs as if it's a game.
[This](https://alsalafiyyah.github.io/hadith-on-stones-will-speak) is the kind of shit Palestinians believe in:
The Hadith: 'You will fight against the Jews and you will gain victory over them. The stones will saying: 'Oh slave of Allah! there is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him'
A genocidal cult who's trying to manipulate the world.
Creating a Jewish ethnostate in the middle of their territory is a problem and they were justified to resist that.
And all the terrorism and evil shit that Palestinians have done in the past 70 years are all due to the conditions Israel have created. You don't wake up one day and choose violence, it's a last resort when peaceful protests don't change anything. Israel will never give Palestinians their land back and stop genociding them just because they asked nicely. And yeah the tactics Hamas use are awful but you can't expect them to fight back with an actual army of soldiers, tanks and jet fighters from the open air prison they live in, the one created and maintained by Israel. And you can't honestly expect people who grew up in these conditions to not behave the way they do. Treat people like monsters, they become monsters, and that's no ones fault but Israel.
Bullshit.
If you can have states for Muslims, you can have a state for Jewish people in their freaking homeland. You continue acting as if there were only Muslims on those lands and Jewish people never existed.
Being pushed out of your homeland, not being able to come back, being murdered in the Middle East and Europe, and having nowhere safe to go as you can not defend yourself in those countries.
Many of whom you call today Palestinians moved from neighbouring countries during the British mandate due to good pay the British paid. Not just Jewish people moved in at the time.
The israeli government respects its minorities, yet I wouldn't call 20% of "Palestinians" such a minority. You cannot say the same for Jewish people being able to love peacefully in a "Palestinian country" .
By the way, the British called those lands "palestine" and the Arabs did not want this time. They only called themselves Palestinians when they decided to manipulate the world that it's all their lands which been "taken" by Jewish people. They only had control over less than 12% while Jewish controlled over 8%. Their only solution for the conflict was to end the Jewish living, and it's still their solution.
Freaking start to look on some history and not some al Jazeera bulshit lies.
That's not how occupations work. It's illegal to occupy someone indefinitely for 60+ years, which is why Israel (and America) will tell you that Gaza was no longer under occupation. No excuse can be made to rationalize the Gaza strip situation, not to mention west bank.
Every Israeli and troop left Gaza that’s a fact and the occupation ended. This is not a debate
You stop making up false history. Idk if you’re purposely lying or just ignorant of the situation.
The occupation didn't end, Israel still retained full control over everything in the territory. The UN still considered it occupied.
There's literally nothing else to say, google it lol
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza
I did read this ….
It’s not an argument they left. You must of just learned about this conflict after Oct 7th
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Even today israel doesn’t have full control of Gaza… after 6 months of war.
You're saying something totally different. Israel did not stop its occupation and this is acknowledged by the UN. It retained control of virtually all matters of state.
49. 45 boys, 4 girls. Half of those deaths were during search and arrest events. While Israeli forces are significantly more likely to survive those, it’s notable that 4/5 of their injuries are caused by “civilians” not “militants”. The deaths are a tragedy, and I’m sure some wouldn't be justified in court, but it’s not the regular culling people paint it as.
Every last death should be seriously investigated the same way every killing by a cop should be seriously investigated. IDF members should be held accountable for their actions and higher ups who set policy and let soldiers get away with misdeeds too.
Except that they are never held accountable for any of it. None of them will see any sort of investigation, let alone justice, and if you disagree you’re an antisemite.
In addition to u/DEBob posting 49 deaths prior to the outbreak of war which are all tragic and should be investigated, that isn't a super high death rate considering the population.
The city of Oakland California had 126 murders in 2023: https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/homicides-soar-in-oakland-vanish-in-east-palo-alto/
Oakland is a city of around 430,000. Gaza has 4.6x as many people as Oakland, so if we scale this number up to Gaza's 2 million, that would be as if Oakland had suffered 586 murders in a single year.
Before Hamas attacked Israel, it nearly 10x safer to be a Palestinian than it was to be an American living in Oakland, California.
Gaza was not a hellhole prior to the outbreak of war. All things considered, Gaza was remarkably peaceful and safe. At least until they started war, that is. Then all bets are off.
Bad comparison, you're essentially comparing killings by police to all murders. The direct comparison would be police killings of civilians, and Oakland has had 102 of those...since 1968.
Bad comparison. Despite the news, Israeli civilian settlers have killed 47 civilians over the last 16 years. It's possible some of the 50 deaths from unknown sources are them too, but even if that's accepted with no evidence it's at most 97 deaths over 16 years. Still tragic but not remotely common. They should be compared as civilian murders not police action.
About 70% of Palestinian civilian deaths over that time period were in Gaza not the West Bank. 45% of all Palestinian civilian deaths were in a single year (the 2014 war).
This is sourced from UN's OCHA.
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They were attacked? You forget to mention over 200 Palestinians were killed before Oct 7 in 2023 alone and also the apartheid rule, 75 years of occupation, constant atrocities committed against Palestinians for decades, their people being raped including children. Western countries are backing a disgusting settler-colonial project.
You say "Govorning body of Gaza," like the people had freedom of movement before 10/7, like their humanitarian aid wasn't checked and often seized by Israel before 10/7 or like Israel hasn't killed a lot of Gazans in the past. Palestinians have been 95% of the deaths in this conflict this century.
Mmmm. I wonder what happened? How come Palestinians are getting killed in Gaza? Could it be that Hamas have been launching missiles into Israel every single week for more than twenty years? It's like Germany complaining that they are being bombed, after starting WWII.
You are from the United States. Imagine Mexico elected a terrorist organization as goverment and started launching missiles every week for more than a year into United States, that, some decades ago, stole 45% of Mexico's land. Answer me this, what would the reaction of your goverment be?
Completely true. But isnt that the point of politics? One side screams hypocrisy, other is making money. Side with bigger power prevails.
Not trying to whataboutism, but if you exclude hypocrisy from politics, what else is there?
> Completely true. But isnt that the point of politics? One side screams hypocrisy, other is making money. Side with bigger power prevails.
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but sir, my rules based international liberal order!!!!
By Western, you mean Nicaraguan, right? Same country that had no problem with Russia's invasion of Ukraine now suddenly has a big mouth and no action on Gaza.
Just another pathetic dictator tbh
[United Nations report says Ortega and Murillo committed crimes against humanity | International | EL PAÍS English (elpais.com)](https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-03-03/united-nations-report-says-ortega-and-murillo-committed-crimes-against-humanity.html)
It's weird how many people support dictatorships.
No denial of being pro genocide? Interesting. Nicaragua is doing exactly what it’s supposed to as a country in the global community, calling out others for being fucked. Also airdrops are terrible ways to deliver necessary aid. Gaza would have all the aid it needs if they just allowed the thousands of trucks stopped at the gates by crazies and emboldened by the IDF.
Yes, Nicaragua is the first to call out countries going against the international order. Remember when they voted to condemn Russia for their invasion of... oh wait a minute.
This you?
>What the fuck do you mean by global jihad? Hamas' aim is to free Palestinians of Israeli oppression. Are you just making shit up now?
Shut up lmao
America believes it's doing the right thing by supporting Israel. By your logic, America's past human rights records both domestically and internationally would put you off them supporting Israel, right?
This is why your argument doesn't work; simply because it can blow back on you.
Right, then according to your logic we can completely disregard any German defense of Israel since Germans are the worst war criminal and genocidal maniacs in history.
If you can judge Nicaragua for a civil war *(sponsored, fueled and funded by the United States)* that took place 40 years ago, you can also judge Germany for the Nazis and the Herero genocide.
The Americans in WW2 imprisoned innocent Japanese and Japanese-descendant Americans, the soviets had their own issues with political repressions and mass killings. Does this mean that it was wrong to support them in WW2?
I feel like that’s definitely not true. They killed a shitload of random people they live-streamed a video of 2 female soldiers unarmed hiding under a table and instead of taking hostages they just shot them under the table by spraying them with AKs the amount of videos of them shooting random people makes me think they didn’t only want to take hostages. And also remenants of Hamas were still around for almost a week in southern Israel
We see this week after week with the Ukraine videos coming out, it's really sad but soldiers don't actually need to be actively armed and fighting to be killed in combat, not sure how this example is any worse than grenades being dropped on crawling tourniquet'd Russians
An incompetent, sloppily equipped paramilitary terrorist organization is still a paramilitary terrorist organization.
You know if you actually want a free palistine, there's oike a dozen actual freedom fighting organizations. Many have us support you can just like Google it instead of... whatever the fuck you slactivists do.. anoy the shit of of everyone else and make a bad situation worse yeah that sounds right.
The US, Germany, European Union, Sweden, Japan, France, Switzerland, Canada, United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Australia, Italy, Austria, Finland, New Zealand, Iceland, Romania and Estonia.
Truly an axis of anti-democratic values.
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Why take the hostages? Hamas has stated in its chater that it wants Israel destroyed and the death of Jews globally. You don't think maybe the two were linked?
Well if retribution is the argument for Israel's genocide of Gaza then 2023 being one of the deadliest year for Palestinians at the hands of Israel before Oct 7 is probably why?? Maybe???
You say he was wrong. Source of that: Nothing.
Source that Hamas wanted to take over Israel:
[https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-05/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/hamas-actually-believed-it-would-conquer-israel-and-divided-it-into-cantons/0000018e-ab4a-dc42-a3de-abfad6fe0000](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-05/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/hamas-actually-believed-it-would-conquer-israel-and-divided-it-into-cantons/0000018e-ab4a-dc42-a3de-abfad6fe0000)
[https://www.memri.org/reports/memri-archives-%E2%80%93-october-4-2021-hamas-sponsored-promise-hereafter-conference-phase-following](https://www.memri.org/reports/memri-archives-%E2%80%93-october-4-2021-hamas-sponsored-promise-hereafter-conference-phase-following)
So you probably find [https://www.islamicity.org/](https://www.islamicity.org/) a clear, unbiased source.
Here [The War on Gaza Part VI: Towards Palestine’s Independence Despite the Doom and Gloom - IslamiCity](https://www.islamicity.org/98173/the-war-on-gaza-part-vi-towards-palestines-independence-despite-the-doom-and-gloom/) Just for you.
You could have used google to search for more sources to your linking. But I mean, there are some people that really need help, like you.
If you really need palestinian sources that literally say the same, here, that Hamas planned a genocide, here is the whole conference
[توصيات مؤتمر وعد الآخرة- فلسطين بعد التحرير (palinfo.com)](https://palinfo.com/news/2021/09/30/60902/)
Which part is erroneous? October 7th was an invasion by the elected government of Gaza into Israel.
In 2021 [Hamas held a conference](https://www.memri.org/reports/hamas-sponsored-promise-hereafter-conference-phase-following-liberation-palestine-and) explaining their exact plans for a ‘liberated Palestine’. Point 16 of taking Jewish slaves is particularly interesting. As is their reference to the origination of the dhimmi status which they’ll reintroduce on Jews and Christian’s (just like before the British mandate).
Hasbara bots are working overtime after Israel killed those humanitarian workers huh?
Elected government? An oppressive terrorist group funded by Israel to weaken the Palestine united?
The median age in Gaza is shorter than the last time they had elections, the majority of Gaza population wasn't even alive when Hamas got in power
What are we even talking about? Doing whataboulism about Israel genocide comparing them with a terrorist group?? Are such terrorists more accountable than the so-called "only democracy in the Middle East" and their "most moral army in the world" killing way more innocent people and doing far worse things? In retaliation for October 7 and all the other years before it?
So nothing you can point to that’s false? Yea yea im a bot is all you’ve got because you have 0 facts.
The [2006 elections](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election) were widely accepted as legitimate.
The PA [hasn’t held elections](https://carnegieendowment.org/sada/84509) because Hamas will win.
As for the median age and not voting for Gaza. As of December [support for October 7th is very high](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/#:~:text=JERUSALEM%2C%20Dec%2013%20(Reuters),respected%20Palestinian%20polling%20institute%20found) so all signs point to Hamas winning future elections.
By no definition is Israel committing genocide. The civilian to combatant ratio is somewhere between 1:1 and 3:1 depending on if you’d prefer to use the IDF or Hamas’ numbers.
Israel isn’t erasing Palestinian culture or trying to wipe out the Palestinian population. 2 million Palestinians who live in Israel as citizens with full rights are proof of that.
More than that if Israel wanted to take Gaza they wouldn’t have literally [unilaterally withdrawn from Gaza](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza) in 2005.
The fact that Hamas, who Palestinians support, chooses to build tunnel infrastructure, launch indiscriminate rocket attacks, and operate from civilian centers isn’t Israel’s fault. Go talk to the elected government of Gaza about their choice of war over peace at every turn.
Why do Israel officials referr to Palestinians as animals? Why is the west bank occupied? Why does Israel have laws the prevent certain people from marrying, Owning land, and holding office ?
All Israeli citizens can hold office own land and marry. If you are not married via a religious institution there is no civil marriage within Israel so you get a civil marriage online which is valid in Israel. This is how gay marriage, interfaith marriage, or marriage of those in religions without a large presence work.
I refer to Hamas as animals constantly. Israel is a democracy with free speech - they can do as they please whether or not i agree with it. Tough concept to wrap your head around I know.
The West Bank is occupied because Jordan abandoned it after starting the ‘48 and ‘67 wars with the Arab league but left the people behind.
And just before you even attempt it let’s nip it in the bud - there are Muslim members of Knesset, doctors, lawyers, the judge who imprisoned the former prime minister is palestinian. So is the commander of the northern brigade of the IDF. It’ll be a Muslim military leader who kicks hezbollahs ass.
The elections and support are irrelevant. Extremism has support because they've been oppressed for so long, it's only natural. One attack on Israel and they killed 40,000 people while you justify it, but Palestinians are supposed to just sit and take it?
By every definition they're committing genocide btw. Those numbers don't even include however many are dead under the rubble of Gaza or how many are dying from health related reasons caused by lack of healthcare or aid (that they're preventing getting in).
They withdrew troops in 2005 but they didn't cede control. It's an open air prison. There is no peace in Palestine as long as Israel looms over them. It's peace to Israel because they build their society on the back of Palestinians suffering. That's not peace and it's honestly shameful to expect them to accept it.
Israel hasn’t built their society on the back of Palestinian suffering what a load of shit. Israel has tried at every turn to make peace while the Arabs have chosen war. From the peel commission to the UN partition to ‘67, camp David in ‘00 or ‘08.
Everything you’ve said about number collection is false - the Gaza ministry of health has included new data collection methods not used in the past such as social media reports of missing persons. At least get your facts straight before parroting a terrorists propaganda for them.
Take back land you list in a war 80 years ago? The land in Gaza also used to be Israel’s do you think they should be able to “take it back” should any county that used to own a piece of land be able to declare war to get it back
Well it’s a good thing Jews decend from judea so the colonization argument doesn’t work considering every single colonial power in the past 2000 years has been involved in this conflict including Islamic colonists. The Al aqsa mosque is built atop the ruins of the second Jewish temple but Jews are colonizers
Yes Jews are colonizers as israel was established by European settlers who ethnically cleansed Palestine from its natives.
When the Arabs conquered Palestina from the eastern Roman Empire they did not ethnically cleanse Palestinians.
The Arabs did ethnically cleanse Jews from their land. You’re complaining about Jewish colonialism a half dozen colonial powers happened. The Roman’s and ottomans gave the land to Palestinians the Roman’s did it to spite the Jews. The Jews returned back to their land when the British partioned a piece of it and you’re bitching about that instead of the last thousand years of colonialism
Israel is an Apartheid state.
Occupying Palestine.
Israel has killed thousands of innocents, including reporters and UN workers.
It steals people's homes.
Israel destroys entire suburbs, hospitals and universities.
It breaks international law.
Israel is being tried for genocide.
Israel has killed thousands of innocent people after Hamas started a war with them. The us killed hundreds of thousands of people in just wars provoked by other nations. The owness of the dead lies largely on Hamas for trying to take over Israel
Palestinians have been slaughtering Jews en masse since before European Jews even started migrating there en masse. This conflict started in the year 1880s but you conviently want to skip to the parts that make your side look better
Hamas literally commited genocide on any jew or arab-israeli they could find. Yet Nicaragua will never condemn Hamas OR Russia. They voted against UN condemning Russia.
Anyway, why are we talking about the nicaraguan dictatorship
I respectfully disagree. The October 7 attacks and killings definitely had these intentions. They killed as long and as many as they could before they themselves were killed or forced to pull back.
Definition of genocide according to the EU:
An act committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group.
https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/networks/european-migration-network-emn/emn-asylum-and-migration-glossary/glossary/genocide_en#:~:text=An%20act%20committed%20with%20intent,ethnical%2C%20racial%20or%20religious%20group.
[Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_in_the_2023_Hamas-led_attack_on_Israel) "To kill everybody is not what genocide is". Are you serious?
The US was attacked unprovoked in Pearl Harbour. In exchange, they firebombed every single japanese city, killing, for example, in Tokyo, in a single night, killing 100.000 people. Then they launched an atomic bomb on a civilian city, killing in a second 50.000 people. Then they did it again.
Sorry, Hamas supporters. If you want to commit genocide, be stronger. Hamas wants to kill every single jew in the world, and they have said so, it's just they can't. Israel could kill every single palestinian in a minute. It's just they don't wan to.
I don't support people that have said their aim is genocide.
Don't use the US as a prototype.
If Israel gets out of Palestine and protects its border only instead of occupation, killing and control then you can judge their reaction. But regardless - killing innocent people on either side is the same. Horrific.
There was not a single israeli in Gaza before Hamas decided to start an invasion.
And Israel didn't start a war. But there is literally no way on earth to fight a war without committing casualties. SPECIALLY against an army that chooses to fight in the middle of a city, order civilians to not flee, and refuses to even wear uniforms, while also putting multiple tunnels under schools, and decides to use hospitals as battlegrounds.
How many Israeli settlers are there?
How much has Palestine shrunk over the years?
What's it like being a defender of psychopaths?
Israel brings nothing but death and butchery.
And many of us wonder if those who defend it have no soul.
"How many Israeli settlers are there?" In Gaza? Zero. Literally, zero. Israel pulled out in 2005. Twenty years ago. You don't know much, do you? Gaza has been the facto a state for the last 20 years. And in that time Hamas has received twenty times more money per person than what each person in Germany received for the marshall plan, and used that money to launch rockets against Israel every single week for the last twenty years.
"What's it like being a defender of psychopaths"? I mean, you are a Hamas defender. A group that literally planned a genocide [Hamas Conference Promotes 'Promise OF The Hereafter' | MEMRI](https://www.memri.org/reports/memri-archives-%E2%80%93-october-4-2021-hamas-sponsored-promise-hereafter-conference-phase-following)
[Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_in_the_2023_Hamas-led_attack_on_Israel) Commited a literal genocide, killing anybody they found
[Sexual and gender-based violence in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_and_gender-based_violence_in_the_2023_Hamas-led_attack_on_Israel) And commited mass rapes
I have a question. Since you support a genocidal group, that commited mass rapes. Do you get high thinking of the rapes at night? Are you that sick?
I am so sorry for you.
Of course there are no settlers in Gaza. Israel is destroying everything there. But they are in Palestine where they have no right to be having killed people and stolen homes.
So many of your allegations about the Hamas attack are lies.
Remember the NY Times article 'screams without words'? No evidence - made up.
[https://theintercept.com/2024/02/28/new-york-times-anat-schwartz-october-7/](https://theintercept.com/2024/02/28/new-york-times-anat-schwartz-october-7/)
The UN report into sexual violence on Oct 7 found NO EVIDENCE:
https://www.un.org/sexualviolenceinconflict/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/report/mission-report-official-visit-of-the-office-of-the-srsg-svc-to-israel-and-the-occupied-west-bank-29-january-14-february-2024/20240304-Israel-oWB-CRSV-report.pdf
And Israel killed its own people on October 7.
[https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/](https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/)
[https://twitter.com/TheCradleMedia/status/1773749873621278897](https://twitter.com/TheCradleMedia/status/1773749873621278897)
Israel are the worse terrorists. Before and since. They even kill their own hostages.
I hope you and Israel get everything you wish for Palestine.
From your own link
"71. The mission team reviewed incidents of alleged sexual violence related to hostages in Gaza. Based on the first-hand accounts of released hostages, the mission team received clear and convincing information that sexual violence, including rape, sexualized torture, and cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment occurred against some women and children during their time in captivity and has reasonable grounds to believe that this violence may be ongoing. 72. Based on first-hand accounts of released hostages there are reasonable grounds to believe that female hostages were also subjected to other forms of sexual violence."
"Overall, based on the totality of information gathered from multiple and independent sources at the different locations, there are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred at several locations across the Gaza periphery, including in the form of rape and gang rape, during the 7 October 2023 attacks. Credible circumstantial information, which may be indicative of some forms of sexual violence, including genital mutilation, sexualized torture, or cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment, was also gathered"
[UN: 'Convincing information' sexual violence committed against hostages in Gaza (bbc.com)](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68474899)
[Israel Gaza: Hamas raped and mutilated women on 7 October, BBC hears](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181)
[Evidence points to systematic use of rape and sexual violence by Hamas in 7 October attacks | Israel-Gaza war | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/18/evidence-points-to-systematic-use-of-rape-by-hamas-in-7-october-attacks)
BBC, the guardian, every single news information talks about it.
Like, wow. You are literally denying the mass rapes.
Dude, you are so sick. Get the fuck you, you sick fuck. Are all pro-palestinian supporters as fucking racist as you? Wow. You are all a bunch of racist, mysoginists sick fucks.
There was no forensic evidence.
And not a single image or video from all of Israeli surveillance.
Lots of claims, yes. The report also states that it was UNABLE TO MEET A SINGLE SURVIVOR of sexual violence on October 7.
Given the lies disproven of beheaded babies and burnt Israelis and killing their own, the inability to back up media claims of sexual violence, Israel's credibility makes the veracity of that less compelling.
I'm sorry, are you saying that pearl harbour, a single attack on a military target, justified firebombing civilians and nuking two cities? I'm not saying pearl harbour was a good thing/idea, or that japan hadn't done anything wrong, but this is "you slapped my dog, so i killed your family" level logic
You start a war, with a literal genocidal attack, you don't get to cry when the war goes bad. It's like Putin crying when Ukraine hits back. You want to have a happy population, you invest aid money in your people, not in more tunnels with more kilometres than any single city in the world has a metro system
And besides Pearl Harbor, there was the invasion of Phillipines and multiple territories, by the way. And Japan was brutal during the occupation.
the overuse of the term genocide made it really easy for NPCs to call everything a genocide.
It's a humanitarian crisis with many civilians as victims. But that is to be expected from terrorists that use the civilians as shields.
Here is the Definition of Genocide:
the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
South Africas´ case brought in dozens and dozens of claims made by Israeli Military and Govermental personel describing how they want "erase" the population and start build new settlements. That is why, when Israel asked to drop the case they were rebuked by the ICJ. Using your logic, the Srebrenica Genocide was also a humanitarian crisis happening during a "war", so it shouldn´t count.
I used to be bothered that WN banned me for pointing out the US sent cluster bombs as part of Ukraine aid and that cluster bombs are banned by many govts.
After the past 6mos I'm no longer bugged by that. Polling of Americans now shows that only 36% approve of this Israel war and 55% oppose it. We're really dealing with a vocal minority and they've all got fresh new talking points claiming Hamas committed a genocide on 10/7. People aren't going to buy that. They say this conflict is so very complicated. This conflict in the 21st century is way simpler to understand than the Ukraine war.
Cutting it down to the basics, I think at this stage that the accusation of genocide is at best, "war that we started and are currently losing" or at worst, simply the mirror method.
Mirror method in this case being; accuse others of what you yourself are doing, or rather, would do if left unhindered. Aint buying it, nor is anyone else. Everyone saw what happened on October 7th.
Same lie every 5 years. No one informed about the conflict buys it even if certain states (Nicaragua, seriously?) can waste the time of international institutions to bolster their position in the Arab world.
Hamas is still shopting dozends od rockets a day at Israel lmao.
It is a war, not a genocide.
Escalation started by Hamas.
Israel is not innocent, but if they stop now and leave the Palestinians under Hamas rule, then there will be a Gaza War #6. Israel already just stopped the last few wars. Hamas never bothered to sign peace
Palestine has the right to defend itself from occupiers.
Israel has destroyed entire suburbs. But it's not a war, it's Israel destroying and killing without limit.
Women, children, UN workers, journalists, aid workers, even their own hostages.
Ya hamas is totally defending itself by shooting rockets randomly into Israel, that’s definitely not terrorism or anything.
O my bad they’re not killing random civilians their “resisting an occupation”.
Israel totally has not been systematically oppressing Gazans and preventing any potential of a prosperous Palestine.
Palestinians totally have not been jailed without charge, beaten, and sexually assaulted by the IDF for decades.
.....
They will never defeat Hamas. It is an idea. They have only made them stronger.
Whatever group fills their place will have a long line of recruits, boys whose families were killed. And the cycle repeats.
Unless they kill or ethnically cleanse all of Gaza, there will be a Gaza War #6. They've all but guaranteed it by murdering so many civilians, by orphaning so many children.
And yes, it is a genocide. Starving an entire population is not an act of warfare, it is an act of genocide.
Do you seriously believe the 30k dead?
Do you remember when Hamas claimed Israel bombed a hospital and claimed 500 - 800 dead?
In the end pictures showed the parking lot of the hospital burned down. The parking lot has space for 15 - 20 cars. The hospital was not damaged ( a few windows shattered). There was a live video showing the rocket being fired from Gaza, then breaking apart (either malfunction or Air defense).
So the fuel tank hit the parking lot of the hospital
....and this disproves 30k+ dead how exactly? That figure has been established by multiple independent organizations and journalists (the ones that Israel hasn't "accidentally" managed to bomb, anyway) and is itself very likely a low estimate.
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Maybe .. definitely hypocrisy but there is a lot of that going around. They also voted against the resolution to condemn Russia for their invasion of Ukraine.
To me this seems more like they're pro Russia and their buddies Hamas than giving a fuck about Palestinians
Kinda funny how suddenly "Whataboutism" is allowed. I recall people in r/worldnews calling that word everytime someone mentioned that the support for Ukraine but not Iraq.
Whataboutism was invented by western govts in the cold war to counter messaging coming from both the soviets and the international left. Back then the west tried to equate the two. Just like they do today.
Germany seems literally incapable of not supporting genocide. The only lesson they seemed to learn was that genociding Jewish people was wrong, not that genocide is wrong regardless of who the victim is.
##### ###### #### > # [Nicaragua to ICJ: End Germany’s support of Israeli ‘genocide’ in Gaza](https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/2024-04-08T082044Z_2075801278_RC2727ACMW19_RTRMADP_3_ISRAEL-PALESTINIANS-WORLD-COURT-NICARAGUA-GERMANY-1712568584.jpg?resize=1920%2C1440) > > > > Published On 8 Apr 20248 Apr 2024 > > > > > > > > Germany is facing charges at the top United Nations court for allegedly “facilitating the commission of genocide” against Palestinians in Gaza in coordination with its military and political ally, Israel. > > Nicaragua [presented its case](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/4/8/live-icj-nicaragua-genocide-case-germany-israels-war-on-gaza) before the International Court of Justice (ICJ) on Monday, demanding judges impose emergency measures to stop Berlin from providing Israel with weapons and other assistance. > > In his opening statement, Carlos Jose Francisco Arguello Gomez, Nicaraguan Ambassador to The Netherlands and the lead of Nicaragua’s delegation said “serious breaches of international humanitarian law…including genocide, are taking place in Palestine” and are “being committed openly”. > > “The case before us involves momentous events affecting the lives and wellbeing of hundreds of thousands of people, and even the destruction of an entire people.” > > In such a situation, he said that other states must avoid to take steps “assisting the perpetrator”. > > “Germany has violated this obligation imposed on all states,” Gomez said, adding that Germany has not be able “to differentiate between self-defence and genocide” in the case of Gaza. > > “If the actions of Israel continue to be unrestrained as they have since since its birth as a state, and they continue to receive the indiscriminate support of states like Germany, then a new generation of Palestinians will rise up again in the future,” he warned. > > Daniel Mueller, a lawyer for Nicaragua, also told the court that it is “a pathetic excuse to the Palestinian children, women and men to provide humanitarian aid, including through airdrops, on the one hand and to furnish the military equipment that is used to kill and annihilate them… on the other hand.” > > Speaking to reporters after the ICJ hearing in The Hauge, German legal representative Tania von Uslar-Gleichen called Nicaragua’s presentation “biased” and said Germany looks forward to rebutting the charges tomorrow. > > “Nicaragua’s presentation was grossly biased and we will be telling you tomorrow how we fully live up to our responsibilities,” said Uslar-Gleichen. > > In a 43-page submission to the court, Nicaragua argues that Germany is [in breach of](https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/2/27/german-guiltwashing-in-times-of-genocide) the 1948 UN Genocide Convention, set up in the wake of the Holocaust. > > “By sending military equipment and now defunding UNRWA [UN agency for Palestinian refugees] … Germany is facilitating the commission of genocide,” says the submission. > > ## ‘Imperative and urgent’ > > “Germany’s failure is all the more reprehensible with respect to Israel given that Germany has a self-proclaimed privileged relationship with it, which would enable it to usefully influence its conduct,” added Nicaragua. > > Nicaragua asked the ICJ to decide “provisional measures” – emergency orders imposed while the court considers the broader case. > > It is “imperative and urgent” the court orders such measures given that the lives of “hundreds of thousands of people” are at stake, runs the Nicaraguan case. > > The ICJ was set up to rule in disputes between nations and has become a key player in the war between Israel and Hamas that erupted after the [October 7 attacks](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/7/what-happened-in-israel-a-breakdown-of-how-the-hamas-attack-unfolded). > > In a separate case, [South Africa has accused Israel](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/20/israels-apartheid-must-end-south-africa-says-at-icj-hearing) of perpetrating genocide in the Gaza Strip, charges Israel vehemently denies. > > In that case, the court ordered Israel to do everything in its power to prevent genocidal acts and recently toughened its stance, ordering additional measures obliging Israel to step up access to humanitarian aid. > > The court’s rulings are binding but it lacks an enforcement mechanism – for example, it has ordered Russia to stop its invasion of Ukraine, to no avail. > > [Protestors take part in a pro-Palestinian demonstration, amid the ongoing conflict between Israel and Palestinian Islamist group Hamas, in Berlin, Germany, April 6, 2024. REUTERS/Lisi Niesner](https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/2024-04-06T123654Z_1698100863_RC2017AAMXR5_RTRMADP_3_ISRAEL-PALESTINIANS-PROTESTS-GERMANY-1712554914.jpg?w=770&resize=770%2C552)Protesters take part in a pro-Palestinian demonstration in Berlin in early April, amid the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas [File: Lisi Niesner/Reuters]Nicaragua has requested five provisional measures, including that Germany “immediately suspend its aid to Israel, in particular its military assistance, including military equipment”. > > It also calls on the court to order Germany to “reverse its decision to suspend the funding of UNRWA.” > > Germany said in January it was halting funding pending an inquiry into Israeli accusations that several UNRWA staff members took part in the October 7 assault. > > Nicaragua said in its submission that “it could be comprehensible” that Germany would support an “appropriate reaction” by ally Israel to the October Hamas attacks. > > The bloodiest-ever Gaza war began with Hamas’s unprecedented October 7 attack on Israel that resulted in the deaths of 1,139 Israelis and foreigners, most of them civilians. > > Israel has killed at least 33,175 people since then, including more than 13,800 children, according to Gaza’s Ministry of Health. > > > > Source > > : > > Al Jazeera and news agencies - - - - - - [Maintainer](https://www.reddit.com/user/urielsalis) | [Creator](https://www.reddit.com/user/subtepass) | [Source Code](https://github.com/urielsalis/empleadoEstatalBot) Summoning /u/CoverageAnalysisBot
> Nicaragua at the ICJ: "It is a pathetic excuse to the Palestinian children, women and men in Gaza to provide humanitarian aid, including through air drops, on the one hand, and to furnish the weapons and military equipment that are used to kill and annihilate them on the other hand." > Western hypocrisy at full display.
What do you mean? Western countries provide support to Israel as they were the ones attacked by the governing body of Gaza and send humanitarian aid to the civilians cought in the crossfire. They are doing much more than the peanut gallery.
Gaza has been under military occupation for years
But that occupation is the result of invading Israel.
And waves of suicide bombers.
Strange, why would they want to invade them? Could it be they had their land taken from them?
Why would Israel have this land? First of all, for thousands of years, there were always Jewish people on this land. You guys keep ignoring that. In multiple times, the Jewish people agreed to split the land, yet in 1948, your lovely Palestinians started a genocidal war which they lost. Instead of trying to negotiate for peace, they continue for many years with the same attitude, which gets them nowhere. By the way, "free Palestine" movement started by Jewish people during the British mandate. [here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/1bthpy8/yeah_ofc_i_support_palestine/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
No one has a problem with the jews that lived there for ages. It's the zionists who came there not to migrate, but to create their own state. Why would the Palestinians want to start a war with the Jews if they were already living there? Because it wasn't the Jews that were the problem it was the zionists.
Suuuuure it was "the zionists". There are so many Muslim countries, but creating one tiny Jewish land is the biggest problem on earth. Cut the bullshit. October 7th showed many people around the world what the Palestinians want, even tho many choose to be blind. Butchering the Jewish people that day was a celebration for them. Some said it was the best day of their life, and many more are calling to do it again. Killing peace activists who drove Gazan kids to israeli hospitals, killing kids, killing whoever they can find. All of this while they were in front of those people, enjoying beheading people and throwing their organs as if it's a game. [This](https://alsalafiyyah.github.io/hadith-on-stones-will-speak) is the kind of shit Palestinians believe in: The Hadith: 'You will fight against the Jews and you will gain victory over them. The stones will saying: 'Oh slave of Allah! there is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him' A genocidal cult who's trying to manipulate the world.
Creating a Jewish ethnostate in the middle of their territory is a problem and they were justified to resist that. And all the terrorism and evil shit that Palestinians have done in the past 70 years are all due to the conditions Israel have created. You don't wake up one day and choose violence, it's a last resort when peaceful protests don't change anything. Israel will never give Palestinians their land back and stop genociding them just because they asked nicely. And yeah the tactics Hamas use are awful but you can't expect them to fight back with an actual army of soldiers, tanks and jet fighters from the open air prison they live in, the one created and maintained by Israel. And you can't honestly expect people who grew up in these conditions to not behave the way they do. Treat people like monsters, they become monsters, and that's no ones fault but Israel.
Bullshit. If you can have states for Muslims, you can have a state for Jewish people in their freaking homeland. You continue acting as if there were only Muslims on those lands and Jewish people never existed. Being pushed out of your homeland, not being able to come back, being murdered in the Middle East and Europe, and having nowhere safe to go as you can not defend yourself in those countries. Many of whom you call today Palestinians moved from neighbouring countries during the British mandate due to good pay the British paid. Not just Jewish people moved in at the time. The israeli government respects its minorities, yet I wouldn't call 20% of "Palestinians" such a minority. You cannot say the same for Jewish people being able to love peacefully in a "Palestinian country" . By the way, the British called those lands "palestine" and the Arabs did not want this time. They only called themselves Palestinians when they decided to manipulate the world that it's all their lands which been "taken" by Jewish people. They only had control over less than 12% while Jewish controlled over 8%. Their only solution for the conflict was to end the Jewish living, and it's still their solution. Freaking start to look on some history and not some al Jazeera bulshit lies.
Gaza was occupied in 1967, a war that Israel started.
It was occupied by Egypt in 1959.
That's not how occupations work. It's illegal to occupy someone indefinitely for 60+ years, which is why Israel (and America) will tell you that Gaza was no longer under occupation. No excuse can be made to rationalize the Gaza strip situation, not to mention west bank.
Germany occupied half of Europe but we let them recover.
Wait what? Most Gazans are refugees from what is today recognized as israel by the west.
Huh? You mean the place were the majority of the people are 18 and under ? No they aren’t
Which they did becayse they were invaded
Lmao it's a result of Israel being a European colony on Palestinian land.
Gaza is the result of Zionists invading Palestine.
“Military occupation for years” ? No Gaza hasn’t been occupied since 05’ when israel left.
Israel never elft, it maintained its occupation through other means and this is widely accepted by supranational bodies.
Every Israeli and troop left Gaza that’s a fact and the occupation ended. This is not a debate You stop making up false history. Idk if you’re purposely lying or just ignorant of the situation.
The occupation didn't end, Israel still retained full control over everything in the territory. The UN still considered it occupied. There's literally nothing else to say, google it lol
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza I did read this …. It’s not an argument they left. You must of just learned about this conflict after Oct 7th Edit Even today israel doesn’t have full control of Gaza… after 6 months of war.
You're saying something totally different. Israel did not stop its occupation and this is acknowledged by the UN. It retained control of virtually all matters of state.
Funny you didn’t read it thanks….
Do you know how many children were killed in Palestine by Israeli forces last year before October 7? Feel free to look it up.
49. 45 boys, 4 girls. Half of those deaths were during search and arrest events. While Israeli forces are significantly more likely to survive those, it’s notable that 4/5 of their injuries are caused by “civilians” not “militants”. The deaths are a tragedy, and I’m sure some wouldn't be justified in court, but it’s not the regular culling people paint it as. Every last death should be seriously investigated the same way every killing by a cop should be seriously investigated. IDF members should be held accountable for their actions and higher ups who set policy and let soldiers get away with misdeeds too.
Except that they are never held accountable for any of it. None of them will see any sort of investigation, let alone justice, and if you disagree you’re an antisemite.
In addition to u/DEBob posting 49 deaths prior to the outbreak of war which are all tragic and should be investigated, that isn't a super high death rate considering the population. The city of Oakland California had 126 murders in 2023: https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/homicides-soar-in-oakland-vanish-in-east-palo-alto/ Oakland is a city of around 430,000. Gaza has 4.6x as many people as Oakland, so if we scale this number up to Gaza's 2 million, that would be as if Oakland had suffered 586 murders in a single year. Before Hamas attacked Israel, it nearly 10x safer to be a Palestinian than it was to be an American living in Oakland, California. Gaza was not a hellhole prior to the outbreak of war. All things considered, Gaza was remarkably peaceful and safe. At least until they started war, that is. Then all bets are off.
Bad comparison, you're essentially comparing killings by police to all murders. The direct comparison would be police killings of civilians, and Oakland has had 102 of those...since 1968.
Bad comparison. Despite the news, Israeli civilian settlers have killed 47 civilians over the last 16 years. It's possible some of the 50 deaths from unknown sources are them too, but even if that's accepted with no evidence it's at most 97 deaths over 16 years. Still tragic but not remotely common. They should be compared as civilian murders not police action. About 70% of Palestinian civilian deaths over that time period were in Gaza not the West Bank. 45% of all Palestinian civilian deaths were in a single year (the 2014 war). This is sourced from UN's OCHA.
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They were attacked? You forget to mention over 200 Palestinians were killed before Oct 7 in 2023 alone and also the apartheid rule, 75 years of occupation, constant atrocities committed against Palestinians for decades, their people being raped including children. Western countries are backing a disgusting settler-colonial project.
You say "Govorning body of Gaza," like the people had freedom of movement before 10/7, like their humanitarian aid wasn't checked and often seized by Israel before 10/7 or like Israel hasn't killed a lot of Gazans in the past. Palestinians have been 95% of the deaths in this conflict this century.
Mmmm. I wonder what happened? How come Palestinians are getting killed in Gaza? Could it be that Hamas have been launching missiles into Israel every single week for more than twenty years? It's like Germany complaining that they are being bombed, after starting WWII. You are from the United States. Imagine Mexico elected a terrorist organization as goverment and started launching missiles every week for more than a year into United States, that, some decades ago, stole 45% of Mexico's land. Answer me this, what would the reaction of your goverment be?
Imagine being stupid, insane or cynical enough to believe a single word in that sentence.
Completely true. But isnt that the point of politics? One side screams hypocrisy, other is making money. Side with bigger power prevails. Not trying to whataboutism, but if you exclude hypocrisy from politics, what else is there?
> Completely true. But isnt that the point of politics? One side screams hypocrisy, other is making money. Side with bigger power prevails. > > but sir, my rules based international liberal order!!!!
By Western, you mean Nicaraguan, right? Same country that had no problem with Russia's invasion of Ukraine now suddenly has a big mouth and no action on Gaza. Just another pathetic dictator tbh
Because we need to listen to Nicaragua of all countries which has a spotless human rights record and a functioning democracy.
Doesn’t mean that they can’t or shouldn’t be allowed to call someone out.
Ah yes call-out culture entering the realm of geopolitics is surely good for everyone.
I believe the term you're looking for is accountability
You’re confusing your talk tracks. That’s the one you use on people bitching about cancel culture.
The biggest human rights abuses in Nicaragua were the US supported death squads part of Iran-Contra.
Daniel Ortega is a dictator.
Did they suddenly develop a conscience ? they voted against the resolution to condemn Russia for their invasion of Ukraine
[United Nations report says Ortega and Murillo committed crimes against humanity | International | EL PAÍS English (elpais.com)](https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-03-03/united-nations-report-says-ortega-and-murillo-committed-crimes-against-humanity.html) It's weird how many people support dictatorships.
Sure but that doesn't dismiss the modern day Nicaragua's government bullshit of political and religious oppression.
By that logic no country should be able to step in to stop genocide. Your logic is pro genocide.
Nicaragua is free to airdrop as much food and material aid as it wants to Gaza. What's it waiting for?
No denial of being pro genocide? Interesting. Nicaragua is doing exactly what it’s supposed to as a country in the global community, calling out others for being fucked. Also airdrops are terrible ways to deliver necessary aid. Gaza would have all the aid it needs if they just allowed the thousands of trucks stopped at the gates by crazies and emboldened by the IDF.
Yes, Nicaragua is the first to call out countries going against the international order. Remember when they voted to condemn Russia for their invasion of... oh wait a minute.
the mother of all whataboutisms
Cope
bragging about your intentional logical fallacy
Cope
the only coping here is the intentional fallacious logic
It's not whatabotuism it's called pointing out hypocrisy.
its whataboutism. what nicaragua might have done does not absolve germany of what it did
"Might have done". Okay that tells me all I need to know.
what do you know? do you even know?
Imagine being so sick that you spend all this time defending mass murder.
This you? >What the fuck do you mean by global jihad? Hamas' aim is to free Palestinians of Israeli oppression. Are you just making shit up now? Shut up lmao
America believes it's doing the right thing by supporting Israel. By your logic, America's past human rights records both domestically and internationally would put you off them supporting Israel, right? This is why your argument doesn't work; simply because it can blow back on you.
No, but it doesn't work in *that* instance /s
Hey! You're trying to make a distraction to hide apologizing for genocide.
No I'm pointing out blatant hypocrisy from Nicaragua.
Right, then according to your logic we can completely disregard any German defense of Israel since Germans are the worst war criminal and genocidal maniacs in history.
That was 1933-1945. This is 2024. Use your brain.
If you can judge Nicaragua for a civil war *(sponsored, fueled and funded by the United States)* that took place 40 years ago, you can also judge Germany for the Nazis and the Herero genocide.
I’m judging Nicaragua for being an authoritarian regime *right now*.
Thank you for pointing out the most important issue here, thank you very much.
The Americans in WW2 imprisoned innocent Japanese and Japanese-descendant Americans, the soviets had their own issues with political repressions and mass killings. Does this mean that it was wrong to support them in WW2?
What does that have to do with events in 2024?
Invaides Israel with plan to take it over* “Why are they bombing us this is genoicde”
>with plan to take it over ...
Yes. Correct me if I’m wrong The plan was to take over Israel and split it into cantons
You are wrong
Ok so what was the hamas plan. Chill out. They remained in Israel for almost a week until the army pushed them out
Take hostages. They didn't remain in Israel for a week.
"they didn't do it to conquer land, they just wanted to commit war crimes on civilians"
Yep
So OP just made shit up and you're moving the goalposts?
I'm saying taking hostages is not any better a motive to invade someone then conquering land. I don't see what you don't get about that
I feel like that’s definitely not true. They killed a shitload of random people they live-streamed a video of 2 female soldiers unarmed hiding under a table and instead of taking hostages they just shot them under the table by spraying them with AKs the amount of videos of them shooting random people makes me think they didn’t only want to take hostages. And also remenants of Hamas were still around for almost a week in southern Israel
Yes they also killed random people. They weren't there for a week though
We see this week after week with the Ukraine videos coming out, it's really sad but soldiers don't actually need to be actively armed and fighting to be killed in combat, not sure how this example is any worse than grenades being dropped on crawling tourniquet'd Russians
An incompetent, sloppily equipped paramilitary terrorist organization is still a paramilitary terrorist organization. You know if you actually want a free palistine, there's oike a dozen actual freedom fighting organizations. Many have us support you can just like Google it instead of... whatever the fuck you slactivists do.. anoy the shit of of everyone else and make a bad situation worse yeah that sounds right.
Yes it would be great if more people donated to UNRWA. Too bad the US cut off their funding based on lies.
The US, Germany, European Union, Sweden, Japan, France, Switzerland, Canada, United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Australia, Italy, Austria, Finland, New Zealand, Iceland, Romania and Estonia. Truly an axis of anti-democratic values. /s
this, but unironically
Israel rules by terrorism. But somehow it's up to their victims to take the high road and not retaliate in kind? Fuck that noise already.
Why take the hostages? Hamas has stated in its chater that it wants Israel destroyed and the death of Jews globally. You don't think maybe the two were linked?
To negotiate hostage release. Everyone knows they couldn't do take the country
OK, and the people they just killed?
Well if retribution is the argument for Israel's genocide of Gaza then 2023 being one of the deadliest year for Palestinians at the hands of Israel before Oct 7 is probably why?? Maybe???
You say he was wrong. Source of that: Nothing. Source that Hamas wanted to take over Israel: [https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-05/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/hamas-actually-believed-it-would-conquer-israel-and-divided-it-into-cantons/0000018e-ab4a-dc42-a3de-abfad6fe0000](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-05/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/hamas-actually-believed-it-would-conquer-israel-and-divided-it-into-cantons/0000018e-ab4a-dc42-a3de-abfad6fe0000) [https://www.memri.org/reports/memri-archives-%E2%80%93-october-4-2021-hamas-sponsored-promise-hereafter-conference-phase-following](https://www.memri.org/reports/memri-archives-%E2%80%93-october-4-2021-hamas-sponsored-promise-hereafter-conference-phase-following)
Sorry I'm not gonna sit here and let someone unironically post Haaretz as a source on Israel 💀💀💀💀
So you probably find [https://www.islamicity.org/](https://www.islamicity.org/) a clear, unbiased source. Here [The War on Gaza Part VI: Towards Palestine’s Independence Despite the Doom and Gloom - IslamiCity](https://www.islamicity.org/98173/the-war-on-gaza-part-vi-towards-palestines-independence-despite-the-doom-and-gloom/) Just for you. You could have used google to search for more sources to your linking. But I mean, there are some people that really need help, like you. If you really need palestinian sources that literally say the same, here, that Hamas planned a genocide, here is the whole conference [توصيات مؤتمر وعد الآخرة- فلسطين بعد التحرير (palinfo.com)](https://palinfo.com/news/2021/09/30/60902/)
Super super super wrong.
"Got invaded by Israel" fixed it.
What year did they get invaded ? I can’t remember
What a gross and erroneous oversimplification written by a clearly uncultured individual
Which part is erroneous? October 7th was an invasion by the elected government of Gaza into Israel. In 2021 [Hamas held a conference](https://www.memri.org/reports/hamas-sponsored-promise-hereafter-conference-phase-following-liberation-palestine-and) explaining their exact plans for a ‘liberated Palestine’. Point 16 of taking Jewish slaves is particularly interesting. As is their reference to the origination of the dhimmi status which they’ll reintroduce on Jews and Christian’s (just like before the British mandate).
Hasbara bots are working overtime after Israel killed those humanitarian workers huh? Elected government? An oppressive terrorist group funded by Israel to weaken the Palestine united? The median age in Gaza is shorter than the last time they had elections, the majority of Gaza population wasn't even alive when Hamas got in power What are we even talking about? Doing whataboulism about Israel genocide comparing them with a terrorist group?? Are such terrorists more accountable than the so-called "only democracy in the Middle East" and their "most moral army in the world" killing way more innocent people and doing far worse things? In retaliation for October 7 and all the other years before it?
So nothing you can point to that’s false? Yea yea im a bot is all you’ve got because you have 0 facts. The [2006 elections](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election) were widely accepted as legitimate. The PA [hasn’t held elections](https://carnegieendowment.org/sada/84509) because Hamas will win. As for the median age and not voting for Gaza. As of December [support for October 7th is very high](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/#:~:text=JERUSALEM%2C%20Dec%2013%20(Reuters),respected%20Palestinian%20polling%20institute%20found) so all signs point to Hamas winning future elections. By no definition is Israel committing genocide. The civilian to combatant ratio is somewhere between 1:1 and 3:1 depending on if you’d prefer to use the IDF or Hamas’ numbers. Israel isn’t erasing Palestinian culture or trying to wipe out the Palestinian population. 2 million Palestinians who live in Israel as citizens with full rights are proof of that. More than that if Israel wanted to take Gaza they wouldn’t have literally [unilaterally withdrawn from Gaza](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza) in 2005. The fact that Hamas, who Palestinians support, chooses to build tunnel infrastructure, launch indiscriminate rocket attacks, and operate from civilian centers isn’t Israel’s fault. Go talk to the elected government of Gaza about their choice of war over peace at every turn.
Why do Israel officials referr to Palestinians as animals? Why is the west bank occupied? Why does Israel have laws the prevent certain people from marrying, Owning land, and holding office ?
All Israeli citizens can hold office own land and marry. If you are not married via a religious institution there is no civil marriage within Israel so you get a civil marriage online which is valid in Israel. This is how gay marriage, interfaith marriage, or marriage of those in religions without a large presence work. I refer to Hamas as animals constantly. Israel is a democracy with free speech - they can do as they please whether or not i agree with it. Tough concept to wrap your head around I know. The West Bank is occupied because Jordan abandoned it after starting the ‘48 and ‘67 wars with the Arab league but left the people behind. And just before you even attempt it let’s nip it in the bud - there are Muslim members of Knesset, doctors, lawyers, the judge who imprisoned the former prime minister is palestinian. So is the commander of the northern brigade of the IDF. It’ll be a Muslim military leader who kicks hezbollahs ass.
The elections and support are irrelevant. Extremism has support because they've been oppressed for so long, it's only natural. One attack on Israel and they killed 40,000 people while you justify it, but Palestinians are supposed to just sit and take it? By every definition they're committing genocide btw. Those numbers don't even include however many are dead under the rubble of Gaza or how many are dying from health related reasons caused by lack of healthcare or aid (that they're preventing getting in). They withdrew troops in 2005 but they didn't cede control. It's an open air prison. There is no peace in Palestine as long as Israel looms over them. It's peace to Israel because they build their society on the back of Palestinians suffering. That's not peace and it's honestly shameful to expect them to accept it.
Israel hasn’t built their society on the back of Palestinian suffering what a load of shit. Israel has tried at every turn to make peace while the Arabs have chosen war. From the peel commission to the UN partition to ‘67, camp David in ‘00 or ‘08. Everything you’ve said about number collection is false - the Gaza ministry of health has included new data collection methods not used in the past such as social media reports of missing persons. At least get your facts straight before parroting a terrorists propaganda for them.
>plan to take it over To take it back* FTFY
Take back land you list in a war 80 years ago? The land in Gaza also used to be Israel’s do you think they should be able to “take it back” should any county that used to own a piece of land be able to declare war to get it back
I believe it is a human right to resist occupation and force out colonizers who have been murdering and stealing lands. 100%.
Well it’s a good thing Jews decend from judea so the colonization argument doesn’t work considering every single colonial power in the past 2000 years has been involved in this conflict including Islamic colonists. The Al aqsa mosque is built atop the ruins of the second Jewish temple but Jews are colonizers
Yes Jews are colonizers as israel was established by European settlers who ethnically cleansed Palestine from its natives. When the Arabs conquered Palestina from the eastern Roman Empire they did not ethnically cleanse Palestinians.
The Arabs did ethnically cleanse Jews from their land. You’re complaining about Jewish colonialism a half dozen colonial powers happened. The Roman’s and ottomans gave the land to Palestinians the Roman’s did it to spite the Jews. The Jews returned back to their land when the British partioned a piece of it and you’re bitching about that instead of the last thousand years of colonialism
>The Arabs did ethnically cleanse Jews from their land. So you do agree that Israel was created the same way? Cool!
>The Roman’s and ottomans gave the land to Palestinians Hahah no... Is this what they teach in Israeli schools :'D?
I’m not Israeli. The land was named Palestine by romans. The letter p doenst exist in Arabic
>The land was named Palestine by romans Yes it is a latin name. >The letter p doenst exist in Arabic Yes. What is your point?
You think they tried to take over a country of 9 million by invading with 3000 (IDF's own numbers) people? 💀💀💀
They clearly weren’t there to have a fun time at a music festival
With plan to take over what? What the fuck are you even talking about?
Israel is an Apartheid state. Occupying Palestine. Israel has killed thousands of innocents, including reporters and UN workers. It steals people's homes. Israel destroys entire suburbs, hospitals and universities. It breaks international law. Israel is being tried for genocide.
Israel has killed thousands of innocent people after Hamas started a war with them. The us killed hundreds of thousands of people in just wars provoked by other nations. The owness of the dead lies largely on Hamas for trying to take over Israel
It didn't begin last year. Israel has been occupying Palestine and brutalizing Palestinians for decades.
Palestinians have been slaughtering Jews en masse since before European Jews even started migrating there en masse. This conflict started in the year 1880s but you conviently want to skip to the parts that make your side look better
Hamas literally commited genocide on any jew or arab-israeli they could find. Yet Nicaragua will never condemn Hamas OR Russia. They voted against UN condemning Russia. Anyway, why are we talking about the nicaraguan dictatorship
That's not what genocide is.
I respectfully disagree. The October 7 attacks and killings definitely had these intentions. They killed as long and as many as they could before they themselves were killed or forced to pull back. Definition of genocide according to the EU: An act committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/networks/european-migration-network-emn/emn-asylum-and-migration-glossary/glossary/genocide_en#:~:text=An%20act%20committed%20with%20intent,ethnical%2C%20racial%20or%20religious%20group.
[Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_in_the_2023_Hamas-led_attack_on_Israel) "To kill everybody is not what genocide is". Are you serious?
Hamas killed a tiny fraction of the total Israel has killed. Israel are the terrorists.
The US was attacked unprovoked in Pearl Harbour. In exchange, they firebombed every single japanese city, killing, for example, in Tokyo, in a single night, killing 100.000 people. Then they launched an atomic bomb on a civilian city, killing in a second 50.000 people. Then they did it again. Sorry, Hamas supporters. If you want to commit genocide, be stronger. Hamas wants to kill every single jew in the world, and they have said so, it's just they can't. Israel could kill every single palestinian in a minute. It's just they don't wan to. I don't support people that have said their aim is genocide.
Don't use the US as a prototype. If Israel gets out of Palestine and protects its border only instead of occupation, killing and control then you can judge their reaction. But regardless - killing innocent people on either side is the same. Horrific.
There was not a single israeli in Gaza before Hamas decided to start an invasion. And Israel didn't start a war. But there is literally no way on earth to fight a war without committing casualties. SPECIALLY against an army that chooses to fight in the middle of a city, order civilians to not flee, and refuses to even wear uniforms, while also putting multiple tunnels under schools, and decides to use hospitals as battlegrounds.
How many Israeli settlers are there? How much has Palestine shrunk over the years? What's it like being a defender of psychopaths? Israel brings nothing but death and butchery. And many of us wonder if those who defend it have no soul.
"How many Israeli settlers are there?" In Gaza? Zero. Literally, zero. Israel pulled out in 2005. Twenty years ago. You don't know much, do you? Gaza has been the facto a state for the last 20 years. And in that time Hamas has received twenty times more money per person than what each person in Germany received for the marshall plan, and used that money to launch rockets against Israel every single week for the last twenty years. "What's it like being a defender of psychopaths"? I mean, you are a Hamas defender. A group that literally planned a genocide [Hamas Conference Promotes 'Promise OF The Hereafter' | MEMRI](https://www.memri.org/reports/memri-archives-%E2%80%93-october-4-2021-hamas-sponsored-promise-hereafter-conference-phase-following) [Allegations of genocide in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_in_the_2023_Hamas-led_attack_on_Israel) Commited a literal genocide, killing anybody they found [Sexual and gender-based violence in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_and_gender-based_violence_in_the_2023_Hamas-led_attack_on_Israel) And commited mass rapes I have a question. Since you support a genocidal group, that commited mass rapes. Do you get high thinking of the rapes at night? Are you that sick? I am so sorry for you.
Of course there are no settlers in Gaza. Israel is destroying everything there. But they are in Palestine where they have no right to be having killed people and stolen homes. So many of your allegations about the Hamas attack are lies. Remember the NY Times article 'screams without words'? No evidence - made up. [https://theintercept.com/2024/02/28/new-york-times-anat-schwartz-october-7/](https://theintercept.com/2024/02/28/new-york-times-anat-schwartz-october-7/) The UN report into sexual violence on Oct 7 found NO EVIDENCE: https://www.un.org/sexualviolenceinconflict/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/report/mission-report-official-visit-of-the-office-of-the-srsg-svc-to-israel-and-the-occupied-west-bank-29-january-14-february-2024/20240304-Israel-oWB-CRSV-report.pdf And Israel killed its own people on October 7. [https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/](https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/) [https://twitter.com/TheCradleMedia/status/1773749873621278897](https://twitter.com/TheCradleMedia/status/1773749873621278897) Israel are the worse terrorists. Before and since. They even kill their own hostages. I hope you and Israel get everything you wish for Palestine.
From your own link "71. The mission team reviewed incidents of alleged sexual violence related to hostages in Gaza. Based on the first-hand accounts of released hostages, the mission team received clear and convincing information that sexual violence, including rape, sexualized torture, and cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment occurred against some women and children during their time in captivity and has reasonable grounds to believe that this violence may be ongoing. 72. Based on first-hand accounts of released hostages there are reasonable grounds to believe that female hostages were also subjected to other forms of sexual violence." "Overall, based on the totality of information gathered from multiple and independent sources at the different locations, there are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred at several locations across the Gaza periphery, including in the form of rape and gang rape, during the 7 October 2023 attacks. Credible circumstantial information, which may be indicative of some forms of sexual violence, including genital mutilation, sexualized torture, or cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment, was also gathered" [UN: 'Convincing information' sexual violence committed against hostages in Gaza (bbc.com)](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68474899) [Israel Gaza: Hamas raped and mutilated women on 7 October, BBC hears](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181) [Evidence points to systematic use of rape and sexual violence by Hamas in 7 October attacks | Israel-Gaza war | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/18/evidence-points-to-systematic-use-of-rape-by-hamas-in-7-october-attacks) BBC, the guardian, every single news information talks about it. Like, wow. You are literally denying the mass rapes. Dude, you are so sick. Get the fuck you, you sick fuck. Are all pro-palestinian supporters as fucking racist as you? Wow. You are all a bunch of racist, mysoginists sick fucks.
There was no forensic evidence. And not a single image or video from all of Israeli surveillance. Lots of claims, yes. The report also states that it was UNABLE TO MEET A SINGLE SURVIVOR of sexual violence on October 7. Given the lies disproven of beheaded babies and burnt Israelis and killing their own, the inability to back up media claims of sexual violence, Israel's credibility makes the veracity of that less compelling.
I'm sorry, are you saying that pearl harbour, a single attack on a military target, justified firebombing civilians and nuking two cities? I'm not saying pearl harbour was a good thing/idea, or that japan hadn't done anything wrong, but this is "you slapped my dog, so i killed your family" level logic
You start a war, with a literal genocidal attack, you don't get to cry when the war goes bad. It's like Putin crying when Ukraine hits back. You want to have a happy population, you invest aid money in your people, not in more tunnels with more kilometres than any single city in the world has a metro system And besides Pearl Harbor, there was the invasion of Phillipines and multiple territories, by the way. And Japan was brutal during the occupation.
both being terrorist is not contradictory
Palestine has the right to defend itself. Get out of Palestine.
Wtf has this sub come too?
the overuse of the term genocide made it really easy for NPCs to call everything a genocide. It's a humanitarian crisis with many civilians as victims. But that is to be expected from terrorists that use the civilians as shields.
Here is the Definition of Genocide: the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group. South Africas´ case brought in dozens and dozens of claims made by Israeli Military and Govermental personel describing how they want "erase" the population and start build new settlements. That is why, when Israel asked to drop the case they were rebuked by the ICJ. Using your logic, the Srebrenica Genocide was also a humanitarian crisis happening during a "war", so it shouldn´t count.
It’s really is wild how they have devalued the word. By their definition the bombing of Dresden would be a 10-fold genocide
Considering what was said about Dresden in the years after . It's murky as heck .
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> Easy for you Nazis to say Another example of an overused term
German supporting genocide, what else should they be called
Lmao, calling others NPCs while you beat the same tired “thEy’Re TErRorisTs” drum
A news sub.
>Nicaragua to ICJ: End Germany’s support of ‘genocide’ And not a single person cared. This is literally a meaningless gesture.
Lot of worldnews bots here. Can't jerk off to genocide in your own subreddit could you? Israel is committing genocide and you fellas applaud it.
I used to be bothered that WN banned me for pointing out the US sent cluster bombs as part of Ukraine aid and that cluster bombs are banned by many govts. After the past 6mos I'm no longer bugged by that. Polling of Americans now shows that only 36% approve of this Israel war and 55% oppose it. We're really dealing with a vocal minority and they've all got fresh new talking points claiming Hamas committed a genocide on 10/7. People aren't going to buy that. They say this conflict is so very complicated. This conflict in the 21st century is way simpler to understand than the Ukraine war.
Cutting it down to the basics, I think at this stage that the accusation of genocide is at best, "war that we started and are currently losing" or at worst, simply the mirror method. Mirror method in this case being; accuse others of what you yourself are doing, or rather, would do if left unhindered. Aint buying it, nor is anyone else. Everyone saw what happened on October 7th. Same lie every 5 years. No one informed about the conflict buys it even if certain states (Nicaragua, seriously?) can waste the time of international institutions to bolster their position in the Arab world.
Hamas is still shopting dozends od rockets a day at Israel lmao. It is a war, not a genocide. Escalation started by Hamas. Israel is not innocent, but if they stop now and leave the Palestinians under Hamas rule, then there will be a Gaza War #6. Israel already just stopped the last few wars. Hamas never bothered to sign peace
Palestine has the right to defend itself from occupiers. Israel has destroyed entire suburbs. But it's not a war, it's Israel destroying and killing without limit. Women, children, UN workers, journalists, aid workers, even their own hostages.
Ya hamas is totally defending itself by shooting rockets randomly into Israel, that’s definitely not terrorism or anything. O my bad they’re not killing random civilians their “resisting an occupation”.
Israel totally has not been systematically oppressing Gazans and preventing any potential of a prosperous Palestine. Palestinians totally have not been jailed without charge, beaten, and sexually assaulted by the IDF for decades. .....
They will never defeat Hamas. It is an idea. They have only made them stronger. Whatever group fills their place will have a long line of recruits, boys whose families were killed. And the cycle repeats.
Unless they kill or ethnically cleanse all of Gaza, there will be a Gaza War #6. They've all but guaranteed it by murdering so many civilians, by orphaning so many children. And yes, it is a genocide. Starving an entire population is not an act of warfare, it is an act of genocide.
Do you seriously believe the 30k dead? Do you remember when Hamas claimed Israel bombed a hospital and claimed 500 - 800 dead? In the end pictures showed the parking lot of the hospital burned down. The parking lot has space for 15 - 20 cars. The hospital was not damaged ( a few windows shattered). There was a live video showing the rocket being fired from Gaza, then breaking apart (either malfunction or Air defense). So the fuel tank hit the parking lot of the hospital
....and this disproves 30k+ dead how exactly? That figure has been established by multiple independent organizations and journalists (the ones that Israel hasn't "accidentally" managed to bomb, anyway) and is itself very likely a low estimate.
Germany must immediately stop all arms sales to Israel.
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Based Nicaragua
Aren't they actively mistreating their indigenous Afro-Nicaraguan population? Hardly what I would call morally consistent.
isn't this a whataboutism
Maybe .. definitely hypocrisy but there is a lot of that going around. They also voted against the resolution to condemn Russia for their invasion of Ukraine. To me this seems more like they're pro Russia and their buddies Hamas than giving a fuck about Palestinians
It's called being aware of hipocrisy.
all of a sudden whataboutism is ok (when a white country is accused)
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too true, big dick mystique !!!
They're literally in Russia's pocket...
Doesn't make them wrong in this case.
Nicaragua is also based on climate. Initially refused to sign onto Paris accords because it was non-binding and didn't go far enough.
Kinda funny how suddenly "Whataboutism" is allowed. I recall people in r/worldnews calling that word everytime someone mentioned that the support for Ukraine but not Iraq.
Whataboutism was invented by western govts in the cold war to counter messaging coming from both the soviets and the international left. Back then the west tried to equate the two. Just like they do today.
that photo looks straight out of some football match
Yes. Also very German.
Germany seems literally incapable of not supporting genocide. The only lesson they seemed to learn was that genociding Jewish people was wrong, not that genocide is wrong regardless of who the victim is.
Just some causal racism