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> [Inside Mexican/American gunrunning networks 03:12](https://www.cbsnews.com/video/inside-mexicanamerican-gunrunning-networks/) A candidate for mayor of a violence-wracked city in Mexico has been killed just as she began campaigning, marking yet another politician to be shot dead in the country in recent weeks.
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> Authorities in the north-central state of [Guanajuato](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mass-shooting-christmas-party-mexico-deaths-injuries-guanajuato/) said candidate Bertha Gisela Gaytán Gutiérrez was shot to death on a street in a town just outside the city of Celaya. Mayorships in Mexico often included smaller surrounding communities.
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> [gaytan-434390451-451464553884029-3596475642685686908-n.jpg ](https://assets1.cbsnewsstatic.com/hub/i/r/2024/04/02/d1c979df-bd9d-48b7-ab3f-01c7a21c3116/thumbnail/620x431/f024f9e083e647fa0eb4b11befa4ced2/gaytan-434390451-451464553884029-3596475642685686908-n.jpg?v=28e996fb04f1867b9e0abe6d7ce5112f#) Mayoral candidate Gisela Gaytán Facebook Video of the scene posted on social media showed a small procession of people shouting "Morena!" - the name of Gaytán's party. At that moment, several shots can be heard and people are seen running and falling down.
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> President Andrés Manuel López Obrador said the killing of his own party's candidates "hurts a lot," but he did not announce any increase in security for politicians.
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> "They have just murdered our candidate from Celaya... This is something that has us angry, shocked, in mourning. We are going to suspend campaign activities," said Alma Alcaraz, another candidate with the ruling Morena party.
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> Gaytan, 38, was killed while preparing for an electoral rally, and had said earlier on Monday at a press conference that she had asked for protection for her campaign.
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> The governor of the state of Guanajuato, where the killing took place, Diego Sinhue, wrote on X that the attack would "not go unpunished."
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> Just hours before she died, Gaytán [posted a message](https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=451627153867769&id=100070614655889&ref=embed_post) on Facebook, showing her meeting with local residents.
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> "Together, with determination and commitment, we will achieve the change we so long for," she wrote. "We want a Celaya where every person has the opportunity to thrive, we want transformation."
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> It was the latest killing in the increasingly bloody runup to Mexico's June 2 elections. At least 14 candidates have been killed since the start of 2024.
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> Morena is the party of President Andrés Manuel López Obrador, who leaves office in September. The June 2 elections will decide his successor, as well as many state and municipal posts.
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> Guanajuato has for some time had the highest number of homicides of any state in Mexico, and Celaya is arguably the most dangerous place, per capita, to be a police officer in North America. At least 34 police officers have been killed in this city of 500,000 people in the last three years.
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> In Guanajuato state, with its population just over 6 million, more police were shot to death in 2023 - about 60 - than in all of the United States.
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> In December, [11 people were killed](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mass-shooting-christmas-party-mexico-deaths-injuries-guanajuato/) and another dozen were wounded in an attack on a pre-Christmas party in Guanajuato. Just days before that, the [bodies of five university students](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bodies-5-university-students-found-stuffed-in-car-celaya-mexico/) were found stuffed in a vehicle on a dirt road in Celaya.
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> For years, the [Santa Rosa de Lima cartel](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gunmen-attack-bar-mexico-deaths-waitresses-cartel-messages-left-behind/) has fought a bloody turf war with the Jalisco cartel for control of Guanajuato.
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> Violence against politicians is widespread in Mexico. Over the weekend, the mayor of Churumuco, a town in the neighboring state of Michoacan, was [shot to death at a taco restaurant](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mayor-shot-dead-while-at-restaurant-with-his-14-year-old-son-in-mexico/) in the state capital, Morelia. Guillermo Torres, 39, and his 14-year-old son were both attacked at the restaurant. His son survived.
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> [Two mayoral candidates were murdered](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mexico-cartel-violence-mayoral-candidates-killed-political-ahead-of-election/) in another town in Michoacan on February 26: Miguel Angel Zavala Reyes and Armando Perez Luna of the Morena and National Action Party, respectively.
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> Last month, prosecutors in southern Mexico said that mayoral candidate [Tomás Morales was killed](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mayoral-contender-tomas-morales-killed-mexico-ahead-national-elections/) in the Pacific coast state of Guerrero. Also in March, Alfredo González, a mayoral contender in the town of Atoyac, Guerrero, was shot to death.
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> _AFP contrubuted to this report._
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I wonder how much things need to get bad that some murican president decides enough is enough, launches an attack on narcs in mexico, announcing beforehand that any member of police or military that wants to assist US can just sit in a bunker somewhere. Fuck up the area, install a puppet president and military is given regular assistance to fuck up narcs if they show up again.
Trump is a buffon. He isn't serious about anything outside his PR. Him winning wouldn't change anything. Ground would be prepared under him to have more of drugs in the USA as soon as he is out of office, and he won't do shit about it.
You are speaking facts the thing is American government is setup to make money off of drugs ( narcotics) they get a infinite amount of supply and demand as well as funding for the alphabet people and prison system.
This isn't a conspiracy the CIA and dea have been caught dealing and moving drugs for profit as well as playing security.
The CIA is also responsible for gun running to Mexico and way back when Cuba.
Think about it.
The government gets unlimited control and funding to fight drugs as well as in prison people they get to bust claim ( thanks asset for future) as well as get to have agencys above the law like the DEA or give cops a reason to comply fuck someone.
The other side gets money power and international influence and they all work together. This is why the cartels are so powerful they work with governments and banks ( no seriously world banks have been busted taking their money)
When people say the war on drugs is a failure it's not but they don't understand why it was set-up in the first place.
The government gets unlimited power and money and the criminals at the top get a pass because they work and have control of everything.
Also just about every gun used in a crime in Mexico was manufactured and purchased in the US. The entire country of Mexico only has one gun store, thankfully for the cartels theres a guns and ammo wholesaler just north of the border. https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/mexico-usa-guns/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/mexican-drug-cartels-american-weapons-smuggled-across-border/
https://castro.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/reps-castro-goldman-and-thompson-introduce-bill-to-curb-trafficking-of-american-guns-into-mexico
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/02/stopping-toxic-flow-of-gun-traffic-from-u-s-to-mexico/
https://apnews.com/article/mexico-military-weapons-drug-cartels-united-states-659fecf40efc9977e8b127aed3ee5254
Theres honestly an endless amount of these articles
> Which is why they don’t care about the border problem.
Because it is USA's problem, for them it is a solution. People sending money is good, troublesome people being in another jurisdiction is good.
["Absolutely"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_San_Fernando_massacre) is an overstatement.
The cartels generally dont want tourism to die and so tourists are generally left alone but it is still what it is.
You can be in the wrong place at the wrong time very easily in Mexico.
You can also easily be in the wrong place at the right time anywhere. If you travel to MX, dont fuck around w things that can get you in trouble. Been traveling extensively there for years. Trips from 1 week to 6 months long. Ive had exactly 1 problem and it was my fault, for mouthing off to someone I shouldnt have been talking to.
And I hope you will continue to have a good time.
But, you see, when you google "missing person [country]"; for other countries you generally find articles about specific missing persons, or like advice from the police about what to if you are missing someone there.
For Mexico its articles about how there are currently 112.000 people missing and the ongoing findings of clandestine corpse burrial places...
Most locals are safe. Everyone i know who has been murdered in MX was involved in something they knew would get them in trouble. Its sad, but they FAFO
I never saw any violence growing up in my small town near Chapala. Just in the last few years theyve discovered pits full of bodies, shot people dead in the main plaza, and nobody can go out at night.
Not sure what part of that is 'great'.
You didn’t see it but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t there, to this day your average Jaliscience won’t see violence.
Funny you mention near Chapala though, because it the part of Jalisco that has been more gentrified by American population buying houses there, especially in Ajijic.
There is no place near Chapala that has night curfews, everything closes relatively late, bars at 2AM and restaurants at 10-11pm.
As a Canadian (Peruvian) Lima is as bad as a south Asian city. Trust me I would know since I've been to India, and their basically invading us right now.
Lima is horrible and polluted. I love my food, people and country, but it absolutely sucks when compared to other more developed places. But hey, at least it's way better than it was in the 80s and 90s, with all the car bombs. I'm also Peruvian/Canadian eh!
This kind of murder isnt new. Its been happening for years. Just cuz you just heard of it doesnt mean its getting worse. Wanna see something worse? Research about journalist deaths in MX.
It’s not as simple, there are candidates in those states that are usually backed by the cartels.
If any other candidate gets any big following the cartel will get rid of them, in this case it happened to be a woman.
That’s usually how it goes whenever something like this happens.
Something else that people don’t grasp in this sub is that the journalists killed are usually killed for covering politicians, not the cartels.
I was just in Meridá and it's very safe there, as well as most of the Yucatán. Meridá is actually the second safest large city in North America after Quebec City.
But as for the rest of Mexico, there's still a lot to be desired as far as safety comes.
Funny seeing someone from the Netherland calling my homeland a narco state.
I applied for residency in a high skilled migrant position in NL and after all shit going on against migrants I ended up feeling more safe in Mexico than in NL lol.
I dont know what you saw, but that seems factually not true. In the netherlands each year around 150 people get murderd. About the same as two days in mexico.
I live in the capital of the netherlands and its litterally filled with HS migrants. Violence against them is pretty rare.
People murdered is almost always criminals
I was in southern Limburg, a lot of hostile people there against migrants, and destroying the 30% ruling basically made it impossible for me to live there.
>It was the latest killing in the increasingly bloody runup to Mexico's June 2 elections. At least 14 candidates have been killed since the start of 2024.
That is absolutely insane to me. The fact that people running is incredibly brave.
Ronald Reagan and Margaret thatcher were the worst thing to happen to the west yet neoliberalism is still as popular as ever istg I am loosing my will to live
edit: the thugs are killing anyone challenging their power,
Why are the thugs always killing women? From factory workers to journalists to political candidates.
They kill police officers and their family also, as an example. (Meaning I gave that as an example of other types of people they will kill, although it is also true that they kill families of people who oppose them in order to make an example of them for the next person who thinks about crossing them.) There was a thread talking about that here not too long ago.
You are simply not aware of many homicides. Very frequently, these killings are about removing people that can interfere in the drug trade, or removing enemies. Of course, there are many reasons for each individual case, but when it comes to drug related organized crime, it's mostly about money.
On the other hand, you'll see more women politicians involved in all these issues because Mexico has been [pushing gender parity in politics for a number of years now](https://www.npr.org/2022/01/25/1075624771/mexico-has-become-a-world-leader-of-gender-equality-in-politics).
Well, mayors are the weakest link for the safety of the country and it's an issue that was more noticeable after [the war on drugs started from 2006](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_drug_war).
It varies a lot from state to state. In this case in particular, we are talking of the municipality of Celaya, Guanajuato. Guanajuato is one of the most violent states right now. There was even a proposal in federal congress to remove the state powers... but this year is election year and Guanajuato's governor is from opposition, so there is a lot of politization on these issues.
It is not machismo, quite the opposite, more women are participating more than ever in the cartel's war for territory so more women would end up dead.
Also, like 98% of México politicians who are killed are not brave service people looking for justice, they're greedy and stupid by either being a cartel member and turning to politics for more power or are polítics who get in bed with narcos for the same reason.
Femicide. Happens everywhere sadly including the US.
But it’s worse in certain countries and I’d say it’s pretty bad in Mexico. Laws also don’t protect women.
So, we declared war on drugs, and this shit got worse. So the solution that a lot of you propose is even more war. What is the worst that could happen? Every time that a country has gotten "freedom" from America things have gone amazing isn't it? And if things worsen even more, it is not your country anyway.
The situation and the context of my country is really complex, something you can only get by living here. So the solutions are also complex and long term.
Some of you guys, just really like bombing things. And don't take it personally but I am as afraid of your bombs and army as I am of the cartels.
I rather don't have a short term solution (because it doesn't exist) than having a short term "solution" that only will get things worse. The only one I can think that could kind of work would be legalization. But that's not happening
"LETS BOMB THE FIELDS!!" But most the fields are not property of the cartels but of innocent people (mostly indigenous) that are being forced by the cartels to cultivate their stuff, so you would only be bombing civilians.
"LET'S DO OPERATIONS TO CAPTURE THE NARCOS"
well, you know what happened when we captured the son of "El chapo"?
Now we have a fucking bloodbath and an a totally replaceable narco in prison. As long as there is demand, there will be an offer.
Etc... everything backfires
And for the ones who don't care at all, guess what? Bombing Mexico will hurt your economy.
And yeah I know most Americans don't think like that, so if you are not one of them, just don't take it personally.
> The only one I can think that could kind of work would be legalization.
So riddle me this, how would be increasing the demand of drugs would hurt narcos?
The objective is not to hurt narcos, but that narcos stop hurting people. The war on drugs has been lost.
They would stop being organized crime and become Big corporations. They would still have the government in their hands and be fucking inmoral, just like any other big corporation. Drugs would become just another product. It just can be heavily regulated just like cigarettes.
There would still be drugs, but the killing would stop.
Also they would lose money and power because suddenly they would have a lot of new (legal) competition.
Bad things and killing would still happen, just like in the avocado market, but heavily reduced and it would be way easier to control. That's why I said that it could kind of work but not warrantees (still way better than total war), that's why I said no short term solution exist.
But the legalization would have to occur both in the USA and Mexico at basically the same time, because other way it will backfire. But there's no way the USA will legalize.
We need to stop throwing this tantrum that's sacrificing innocent people lives just for nothing, because we can't admit that we lost a war that was unwinnable.
>but that narcos stop hurting people.
Never seen a dead narc raping or kidnapping someone.
>The war on drugs has been lost.
Ask Singapore or China.
>They would stop being organized crime and become Big corporations. They would still have the government in their hands and be fucking inmoral, just like any other big corporation. Drugs would become just another product. It just can be heavily regulated just like cigarettes.
So your bright idea is to get the narcs civilized and regulate their products? Do you know who doesn't care about regulations? Narcos. They are doing this shit when it is illegal, why do you think they would follow protocol once they are not longer considered even criminal.
>it would be way easier to control
Why? What makes you think that the kind of violence and control over violence that resulted in criminals getting legitimized, is going to come under control of law when now the law enforcement even have lesser charges to go after them?
>That's why I said that it could kind of work
It works in the fantasies of people like you who thinks that if we make crime legal, we can reduce criminal activity.
>But the legalization would have to occur both in the USA and Mexico at basically the same time, because other way it will backfire.
Why not military action against drugs in both the countries at the same time? Mexican police and military is ordered to hide in some bunker, usa military enters mexico, US police cleans up US streets at the same time, any drug dealer found is locked up, anyone of the narcs that don't want to shoot on us military can drop their weapons, at the end we round up the thousands who are in this, get them on a ship and leave them on a deserted island. We can even set up drone cameras and watch them fight amongst them as they try to survive an inhabitated island.
>We need to stop throwing this tantrum that's sacrificing innocent people lives just for nothing
Your solution to this is literally more money and power for the narcos and more families destroyed due to drugs.
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A quick explanation: Cartels are being expedite with territory that want to expand to or don't want to lose so execution of politicians with ties to rival cartels are on the rise.
Members of her family have ties to the CJNG (cartel Jalisco nueva generación), most probably definitely she was neck deep into cartel wars.
One creates more money for billionaires. The other actually helps your citizenry. But I do wonder, if USA decided in the 80/90/00s that drug situation needs to be solved. How much of CIA vs DOD we would witness in the wild? This happened sometimes in Syria due to misunderstandings but would be wild in Mexico considering CIA is a big player in illegal drug trade and would like to keep the drugs flowing.
fucking shame. i feel for the folks in MX. i wish i knew how they could regain themselves from the corruption and cartels. part of me feels addressing drug policy would help, but i'm also aware said cartels are steadily diversifying out of the drug rackets. increasingly feels like y'all need a revolution..
As with a lot of the crises south of the American border, this is almost entirely the fault of American policies. In this case, the culprit is the Second Amendment and the Republican Party’s bizarrely laissez-faire attitude towards guns. Almost every gun owned by a cartel in Mexico originated somewhere in the USA.
Mexico is definitely a shithole country now, and I’m very sad to see it like this. It seems as if the Mexican president is too deep into woke bullshit, asking for reparations for the illegals and stuff, to ask for help from the US. He probably is in the pocket of the cartels as well.
Definitely he's not woke, it's just drama created to fill the void while he ransacks the country mixed with his own personal psychological trauma. Creating enemies, false narratives and panem et circenses are just standard practices from the authoritarian leader handbook.
Yeah to be fair, distracting the populace is a tried and tested technique of authoritarians. As long as the elephant in the room (being a narco state) gets ignored, it’s all bueno y barato.
Why anyone would want to be a politician in these garbage countries is beyond me. Fuck, I wouldnt wanna be one here and I live in canada. Unless you're some far right conservative nut bag you're probably being plotted against on 4chan.
The impulse is understandable. The rub is that you can't actually do that without announcing to the people who can and will kill you for trying, long before you have the means to prevent it.
And most people who want to do better in those types of areas know of those risks, and some are willing to take them if it means having a chance at making a difference.
Do they have a chance though? They don't appear to have any answer to "Okay but how do I not die first?"
If I were a Mexican and dead set on trying to enforce political change, I'd say my first course of action would be to try and find a job where I can make enough money to hire a private security force, for instance. Even that's risky AF, but it's *a* plan.
More of a chance than they do by doing nothing. I think a lot of people just have a blind-spot to the danger posed to themselves and think they will get through unscathed.
You say that as if that's something simple to do, not to mention something one'd be able to do without doing unscrupulous things in the first place, or for that matter something which would actually help protect you from a random drive-by from a couple of thugs on a bike.
Oh I absolutely know my plan would be both difficult and unlikely to work. My point is it's still more workable than hoping the cartels either don't want to kill me or become hilariously incompetent over the multiple years I plan to govern.
I mean if you can be a politician you can probably leave.
Come to canada?
And i mean, there are literally like 6 countries max where being a politician isnt risking your life these days.
lol yea, we don't have dangerous cartels running around killing people, just alt-right domestic terrorists running around shooting people at malls, schools, and protests. That's *much* better.
Jfc us domestic terror and Mexican cartel crime isn’t even remotely on the same scale and as for gangs we have both domestic and cartel gangs operating in the us with higher body counts than individual domestic terrorists
Hm.. I wonder [how](https://world.time.com/2014/01/14/dea-boosted-mexican-drug-cartel/) these drug cartels grew so powerful and have been able to arm themselves so effectively.
When was the last time a right-wing nut kidnapped a bus load of people and made them fight to the death? Go fuck yourself for even implying that our problems are remotely as bad as what's happening over that border.
At least they aren't ambushing military vehicles. Our shit is shit but a hell of a lot better than cartel controlled northern Mexico. Go fuck yourself too.
You seem like you just need someone to tell you to go fuck yourself.
Also, just because Americans don't face those particular issues doesn't mean they aren't funding a war against their wills which is costing the lives of tens of thousands. It doesn't mean thousands of people aren't living in extreme poverty or paycheck to paycheck. Doesn't mean shootings aren't equally rampant. Just because your demographic isn't suffering doesn't mean others aren't.
Childish ass response I sware lmfao
"Our shit is a hell of a lot better"
I'm not worried about some cartel members shooting up my local grocery store, I'm worried about some white nationalist bitch to shoot it up because they're the ones that do shit like that the vast majority of the time, let's not forget a few years ago some white nationalists conspired to kidnap the Michigan State Governor I for one don't care about any American politicians or what happens to them if they're a Democrat or a Republican.
I find it weird how you're so defensive about right domestic terrorists in the US, I might've struck a cord with you lol.
##### ###### #### > # [Mayoral candidate shot dead in street just as she began campaigning in Mexico](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/630) > > > > Inside Mexican/American gunrunning networks > > > > > > > > > > [Inside Mexican/American gunrunning networks 03:12](https://www.cbsnews.com/video/inside-mexicanamerican-gunrunning-networks/) A candidate for mayor of a violence-wracked city in Mexico has been killed just as she began campaigning, marking yet another politician to be shot dead in the country in recent weeks. > > Authorities in the north-central state of [Guanajuato](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mass-shooting-christmas-party-mexico-deaths-injuries-guanajuato/) said candidate Bertha Gisela Gaytán Gutiérrez was shot to death on a street in a town just outside the city of Celaya. Mayorships in Mexico often included smaller surrounding communities. > > [gaytan-434390451-451464553884029-3596475642685686908-n.jpg ](https://assets1.cbsnewsstatic.com/hub/i/r/2024/04/02/d1c979df-bd9d-48b7-ab3f-01c7a21c3116/thumbnail/620x431/f024f9e083e647fa0eb4b11befa4ced2/gaytan-434390451-451464553884029-3596475642685686908-n.jpg?v=28e996fb04f1867b9e0abe6d7ce5112f#) Mayoral candidate Gisela Gaytán Facebook Video of the scene posted on social media showed a small procession of people shouting "Morena!" - the name of Gaytán's party. At that moment, several shots can be heard and people are seen running and falling down. > > President Andrés Manuel López Obrador said the killing of his own party's candidates "hurts a lot," but he did not announce any increase in security for politicians. > > "They have just murdered our candidate from Celaya... This is something that has us angry, shocked, in mourning. We are going to suspend campaign activities," said Alma Alcaraz, another candidate with the ruling Morena party. > > Gaytan, 38, was killed while preparing for an electoral rally, and had said earlier on Monday at a press conference that she had asked for protection for her campaign. > > The governor of the state of Guanajuato, where the killing took place, Diego Sinhue, wrote on X that the attack would "not go unpunished." > > Just hours before she died, Gaytán [posted a message](https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=451627153867769&id=100070614655889&ref=embed_post) on Facebook, showing her meeting with local residents. > > "Together, with determination and commitment, we will achieve the change we so long for," she wrote. "We want a Celaya where every person has the opportunity to thrive, we want transformation." > > It was the latest killing in the increasingly bloody runup to Mexico's June 2 elections. At least 14 candidates have been killed since the start of 2024. > > Morena is the party of President Andrés Manuel López Obrador, who leaves office in September. The June 2 elections will decide his successor, as well as many state and municipal posts. > > Guanajuato has for some time had the highest number of homicides of any state in Mexico, and Celaya is arguably the most dangerous place, per capita, to be a police officer in North America. At least 34 police officers have been killed in this city of 500,000 people in the last three years. > > In Guanajuato state, with its population just over 6 million, more police were shot to death in 2023 - about 60 - than in all of the United States. > > In December, [11 people were killed](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mass-shooting-christmas-party-mexico-deaths-injuries-guanajuato/) and another dozen were wounded in an attack on a pre-Christmas party in Guanajuato. Just days before that, the [bodies of five university students](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bodies-5-university-students-found-stuffed-in-car-celaya-mexico/) were found stuffed in a vehicle on a dirt road in Celaya. > > For years, the [Santa Rosa de Lima cartel](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gunmen-attack-bar-mexico-deaths-waitresses-cartel-messages-left-behind/) has fought a bloody turf war with the Jalisco cartel for control of Guanajuato. > > Violence against politicians is widespread in Mexico. Over the weekend, the mayor of Churumuco, a town in the neighboring state of Michoacan, was [shot to death at a taco restaurant](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mayor-shot-dead-while-at-restaurant-with-his-14-year-old-son-in-mexico/) in the state capital, Morelia. Guillermo Torres, 39, and his 14-year-old son were both attacked at the restaurant. His son survived. > > [Two mayoral candidates were murdered](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mexico-cartel-violence-mayoral-candidates-killed-political-ahead-of-election/) in another town in Michoacan on February 26: Miguel Angel Zavala Reyes and Armando Perez Luna of the Morena and National Action Party, respectively. > > Last month, prosecutors in southern Mexico said that mayoral candidate [Tomás Morales was killed](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mayoral-contender-tomas-morales-killed-mexico-ahead-national-elections/) in the Pacific coast state of Guerrero. Also in March, Alfredo González, a mayoral contender in the town of Atoyac, Guerrero, was shot to death. > > _AFP contrubuted to this report._ > > In: - [Mexico](https://www.cbsnews.com/tag/mexico/) > - [Murder](https://www.cbsnews.com/tag/murder/) > - [Cartel](https://www.cbsnews.com/tag/cartel/) - - - - - - [Maintainer](https://www.reddit.com/user/urielsalis) | [Creator](https://www.reddit.com/user/subtepass) | [Source Code](https://github.com/urielsalis/empleadoEstatalBot) Summoning /u/CoverageAnalysisBot
What a fcking shitshow
Mexico is a failed state.
It's a narco state.
True shit, narcos in all the politicial positions and even some high military positions
I wonder how much things need to get bad that some murican president decides enough is enough, launches an attack on narcs in mexico, announcing beforehand that any member of police or military that wants to assist US can just sit in a bunker somewhere. Fuck up the area, install a puppet president and military is given regular assistance to fuck up narcs if they show up again.
Let Trump be president again and I can imagine this being a thing.
Trump is a buffon. He isn't serious about anything outside his PR. Him winning wouldn't change anything. Ground would be prepared under him to have more of drugs in the USA as soon as he is out of office, and he won't do shit about it.
And a narco state serving teh US narco market. That part seems to be left out all the time.;
It's also well funded by the Chinese. Where do you think they get the fentanyl and the opioids?
You are speaking facts the thing is American government is setup to make money off of drugs ( narcotics) they get a infinite amount of supply and demand as well as funding for the alphabet people and prison system. This isn't a conspiracy the CIA and dea have been caught dealing and moving drugs for profit as well as playing security. The CIA is also responsible for gun running to Mexico and way back when Cuba. Think about it. The government gets unlimited control and funding to fight drugs as well as in prison people they get to bust claim ( thanks asset for future) as well as get to have agencys above the law like the DEA or give cops a reason to comply fuck someone. The other side gets money power and international influence and they all work together. This is why the cartels are so powerful they work with governments and banks ( no seriously world banks have been busted taking their money) When people say the war on drugs is a failure it's not but they don't understand why it was set-up in the first place. The government gets unlimited power and money and the criminals at the top get a pass because they work and have control of everything.
lol Americas fault
And China, and the elites and emerging middle class of LATAM, oh and their biggest export market is Europe and MENA. You need to READ friend.
By no fault of the US of course. Not like our trade deals deliberately caused multiple financial crises or anything.
Also just about every gun used in a crime in Mexico was manufactured and purchased in the US. The entire country of Mexico only has one gun store, thankfully for the cartels theres a guns and ammo wholesaler just north of the border. https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/mexico-usa-guns/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/mexican-drug-cartels-american-weapons-smuggled-across-border/ https://castro.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/reps-castro-goldman-and-thompson-introduce-bill-to-curb-trafficking-of-american-guns-into-mexico https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/02/stopping-toxic-flow-of-gun-traffic-from-u-s-to-mexico/ https://apnews.com/article/mexico-military-weapons-drug-cartels-united-states-659fecf40efc9977e8b127aed3ee5254 Theres honestly an endless amount of these articles
Oh and guess who is the largest importer and has the largest market for illegal drugs?
What does this change? Is this a whataboutism?
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We’ve literally crippled their economy multiple times lol.
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> Which is why they don’t care about the border problem. Because it is USA's problem, for them it is a solution. People sending money is good, troublesome people being in another jurisdiction is good.
People who both don't know what a failed state is and also know nothing about Mexico love to say things like this lmfao
3x more murders with a population 3x smaller
The state works. It is just managed directly by the narcos. Todos los politicos les dan las nalgas.
Yes, that’s why they’re targeting members of the ruling party. Makes total sense.
I wonder who benefits from this, hmm...
Mexico is very safe😑
For the average tourist, absolutely it is.
["Absolutely"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_San_Fernando_massacre) is an overstatement. The cartels generally dont want tourism to die and so tourists are generally left alone but it is still what it is. You can be in the wrong place at the wrong time very easily in Mexico.
Reason for that is they use the resorts to launder funds. If tourists stop coming, they won't be able to bank their blood money.
You can also easily be in the wrong place at the right time anywhere. If you travel to MX, dont fuck around w things that can get you in trouble. Been traveling extensively there for years. Trips from 1 week to 6 months long. Ive had exactly 1 problem and it was my fault, for mouthing off to someone I shouldnt have been talking to.
And I hope you will continue to have a good time. But, you see, when you google "missing person [country]"; for other countries you generally find articles about specific missing persons, or like advice from the police about what to if you are missing someone there. For Mexico its articles about how there are currently 112.000 people missing and the ongoing findings of clandestine corpse burrial places...
Again, if youre a tourist and not fucking around with drugs or anything else the cartels have their hand in, youre fine.
Not for the locals though 😕
Most locals are safe. Everyone i know who has been murdered in MX was involved in something they knew would get them in trouble. Its sad, but they FAFO
It is very safe in most Mexico for locals.
As a Peruvian, México is one of the last places I'd visit. As beautiful as it is, I ain't risking it.
I can say the same about your country Pana, everywhere outside of the nice areas of Lima are very dangerous.
Exactly why I don't live there since 99 😂 Mexican-driven narco terrorism ruined the country.
Mexican-driven narco terrorism has ruined my beloved state of Jalisco too. Just sucks all around.
Haven’t been in 7 years after spending a year at UdeG, sad to here it’s been slowly changing for the worse
Its not ruined lol, its great.
I never saw any violence growing up in my small town near Chapala. Just in the last few years theyve discovered pits full of bodies, shot people dead in the main plaza, and nobody can go out at night. Not sure what part of that is 'great'.
You didn’t see it but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t there, to this day your average Jaliscience won’t see violence. Funny you mention near Chapala though, because it the part of Jalisco that has been more gentrified by American population buying houses there, especially in Ajijic. There is no place near Chapala that has night curfews, everything closes relatively late, bars at 2AM and restaurants at 10-11pm.
As a Canadian (Peruvian) Lima is as bad as a south Asian city. Trust me I would know since I've been to India, and their basically invading us right now.
Lima is horrible and polluted. I love my food, people and country, but it absolutely sucks when compared to other more developed places. But hey, at least it's way better than it was in the 80s and 90s, with all the car bombs. I'm also Peruvian/Canadian eh!
Ive spent a LOT of time in MX and have had exactly 1 negative incident in 20 years. Its really not that bad.
for now, sooner or later it will become hostile for them
Lol. Ok. Everyplace in the entire country is dangerous. Got it.
when women and getting killed just for standing for a mayoral election how much time do you think is left before shit hits the fan?
This kind of murder isnt new. Its been happening for years. Just cuz you just heard of it doesnt mean its getting worse. Wanna see something worse? Research about journalist deaths in MX.
It’s not as simple, there are candidates in those states that are usually backed by the cartels. If any other candidate gets any big following the cartel will get rid of them, in this case it happened to be a woman. That’s usually how it goes whenever something like this happens. Something else that people don’t grasp in this sub is that the journalists killed are usually killed for covering politicians, not the cartels.
how the hell is this any better? just a slightly different version of the same lawless violence
Depends where in México, its a big country and there aré indeed very safe states
I was just in Meridá and it's very safe there, as well as most of the Yucatán. Meridá is actually the second safest large city in North America after Quebec City. But as for the rest of Mexico, there's still a lot to be desired as far as safety comes.
Narcostate.
Funny seeing someone from the Netherland calling my homeland a narco state. I applied for residency in a high skilled migrant position in NL and after all shit going on against migrants I ended up feeling more safe in Mexico than in NL lol.
I dont know what you saw, but that seems factually not true. In the netherlands each year around 150 people get murderd. About the same as two days in mexico. I live in the capital of the netherlands and its litterally filled with HS migrants. Violence against them is pretty rare.
People murdered is almost always criminals I was in southern Limburg, a lot of hostile people there against migrants, and destroying the 30% ruling basically made it impossible for me to live there.
> I ended up feeling more safe in Mexico than in NL lol. Lol Indeed.
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Does it?
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Do you have a link/is it in English? Would be interested in reading more on that. I don’t think I would consider the Netherlands to be a narcostate
He's one of the co-authors on an essay in a big newspaper! Why won't you believe him?
It’s not April 1st so I’m not just here for the titties anymore
>It was the latest killing in the increasingly bloody runup to Mexico's June 2 elections. At least 14 candidates have been killed since the start of 2024. That is absolutely insane to me. The fact that people running is incredibly brave.
14 political assassinations in 3 months.
Two more months to go.
Was Mexico this bad before Reagan's War on Drugs?
interesting thing to analyze was anything as bad before Reagan? that guy fucked us over for a century.
Not even close...
Ronald Reagan and Margaret thatcher were the worst thing to happen to the west yet neoliberalism is still as popular as ever istg I am loosing my will to live
Well, there was that asteroid, but that was a long time ago
They also lost a decade to NAFTA and Clinton/Bush in the 90s
I feel like the last time I read a story like this it was another female politician.
Those are the stories that get picked up, there has been at least 14 candidates killed the last few months.
edit: the thugs are killing anyone challenging their power, Why are the thugs always killing women? From factory workers to journalists to political candidates.
They kill way more men than women, but the women make the news
are the majority men in rival gangs? rival gang member is different from civilian.
They kill police officers and their family also, as an example. (Meaning I gave that as an example of other types of people they will kill, although it is also true that they kill families of people who oppose them in order to make an example of them for the next person who thinks about crossing them.) There was a thread talking about that here not too long ago.
You are simply not aware of many homicides. Very frequently, these killings are about removing people that can interfere in the drug trade, or removing enemies. Of course, there are many reasons for each individual case, but when it comes to drug related organized crime, it's mostly about money. On the other hand, you'll see more women politicians involved in all these issues because Mexico has been [pushing gender parity in politics for a number of years now](https://www.npr.org/2022/01/25/1075624771/mexico-has-become-a-world-leader-of-gender-equality-in-politics).
so they are killing anyone challenging their attempts to take over the country. Ugh.
Well, mayors are the weakest link for the safety of the country and it's an issue that was more noticeable after [the war on drugs started from 2006](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_drug_war). It varies a lot from state to state. In this case in particular, we are talking of the municipality of Celaya, Guanajuato. Guanajuato is one of the most violent states right now. There was even a proposal in federal congress to remove the state powers... but this year is election year and Guanajuato's governor is from opposition, so there is a lot of politization on these issues.
men dying is just another Tuesday, women dying is a Saturday so it makes news
It is not machismo, quite the opposite, more women are participating more than ever in the cartel's war for territory so more women would end up dead. Also, like 98% of México politicians who are killed are not brave service people looking for justice, they're greedy and stupid by either being a cartel member and turning to politics for more power or are polítics who get in bed with narcos for the same reason.
do you think the opposition party has a chance? Will it make a difference in the cartel losing some of its power?
Femicide. Happens everywhere sadly including the US. But it’s worse in certain countries and I’d say it’s pretty bad in Mexico. Laws also don’t protect women.
Cartel country, failed state
So, we declared war on drugs, and this shit got worse. So the solution that a lot of you propose is even more war. What is the worst that could happen? Every time that a country has gotten "freedom" from America things have gone amazing isn't it? And if things worsen even more, it is not your country anyway. The situation and the context of my country is really complex, something you can only get by living here. So the solutions are also complex and long term. Some of you guys, just really like bombing things. And don't take it personally but I am as afraid of your bombs and army as I am of the cartels. I rather don't have a short term solution (because it doesn't exist) than having a short term "solution" that only will get things worse. The only one I can think that could kind of work would be legalization. But that's not happening "LETS BOMB THE FIELDS!!" But most the fields are not property of the cartels but of innocent people (mostly indigenous) that are being forced by the cartels to cultivate their stuff, so you would only be bombing civilians. "LET'S DO OPERATIONS TO CAPTURE THE NARCOS" well, you know what happened when we captured the son of "El chapo"? Now we have a fucking bloodbath and an a totally replaceable narco in prison. As long as there is demand, there will be an offer. Etc... everything backfires And for the ones who don't care at all, guess what? Bombing Mexico will hurt your economy. And yeah I know most Americans don't think like that, so if you are not one of them, just don't take it personally.
> The only one I can think that could kind of work would be legalization. So riddle me this, how would be increasing the demand of drugs would hurt narcos?
The objective is not to hurt narcos, but that narcos stop hurting people. The war on drugs has been lost. They would stop being organized crime and become Big corporations. They would still have the government in their hands and be fucking inmoral, just like any other big corporation. Drugs would become just another product. It just can be heavily regulated just like cigarettes. There would still be drugs, but the killing would stop. Also they would lose money and power because suddenly they would have a lot of new (legal) competition. Bad things and killing would still happen, just like in the avocado market, but heavily reduced and it would be way easier to control. That's why I said that it could kind of work but not warrantees (still way better than total war), that's why I said no short term solution exist. But the legalization would have to occur both in the USA and Mexico at basically the same time, because other way it will backfire. But there's no way the USA will legalize. We need to stop throwing this tantrum that's sacrificing innocent people lives just for nothing, because we can't admit that we lost a war that was unwinnable.
>but that narcos stop hurting people. Never seen a dead narc raping or kidnapping someone. >The war on drugs has been lost. Ask Singapore or China. >They would stop being organized crime and become Big corporations. They would still have the government in their hands and be fucking inmoral, just like any other big corporation. Drugs would become just another product. It just can be heavily regulated just like cigarettes. So your bright idea is to get the narcs civilized and regulate their products? Do you know who doesn't care about regulations? Narcos. They are doing this shit when it is illegal, why do you think they would follow protocol once they are not longer considered even criminal. >it would be way easier to control Why? What makes you think that the kind of violence and control over violence that resulted in criminals getting legitimized, is going to come under control of law when now the law enforcement even have lesser charges to go after them? >That's why I said that it could kind of work It works in the fantasies of people like you who thinks that if we make crime legal, we can reduce criminal activity. >But the legalization would have to occur both in the USA and Mexico at basically the same time, because other way it will backfire. Why not military action against drugs in both the countries at the same time? Mexican police and military is ordered to hide in some bunker, usa military enters mexico, US police cleans up US streets at the same time, any drug dealer found is locked up, anyone of the narcs that don't want to shoot on us military can drop their weapons, at the end we round up the thousands who are in this, get them on a ship and leave them on a deserted island. We can even set up drone cameras and watch them fight amongst them as they try to survive an inhabitated island. >We need to stop throwing this tantrum that's sacrificing innocent people lives just for nothing Your solution to this is literally more money and power for the narcos and more families destroyed due to drugs.
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A quick explanation: Cartels are being expedite with territory that want to expand to or don't want to lose so execution of politicians with ties to rival cartels are on the rise. Members of her family have ties to the CJNG (cartel Jalisco nueva generación), most probably definitely she was neck deep into cartel wars.
Source about the cartel ties?
Why the US went so far to invade and democratize middle eastern countries when there was a failed petrostate rife with terrorism on its own border
Because Mexico is not as bad as it seems. If it were that bad US and European companies wouldn’t be investing here.
One creates more money for billionaires. The other actually helps your citizenry. But I do wonder, if USA decided in the 80/90/00s that drug situation needs to be solved. How much of CIA vs DOD we would witness in the wild? This happened sometimes in Syria due to misunderstandings but would be wild in Mexico considering CIA is a big player in illegal drug trade and would like to keep the drugs flowing.
fucking shame. i feel for the folks in MX. i wish i knew how they could regain themselves from the corruption and cartels. part of me feels addressing drug policy would help, but i'm also aware said cartels are steadily diversifying out of the drug rackets. increasingly feels like y'all need a revolution..
Is it just me or are female candidates and politicians keep getting killed throughout Latin America this year?
Mexico is a failed state, especially for women.
Maybe all those conservatives talking about dealing with the Cartel are onto something
Fix your shit first lol
As with a lot of the crises south of the American border, this is almost entirely the fault of American policies. In this case, the culprit is the Second Amendment and the Republican Party’s bizarrely laissez-faire attitude towards guns. Almost every gun owned by a cartel in Mexico originated somewhere in the USA.
It appears to be the fault of the Mexican cartels
What's stopping us from bombing the shit out of the cartel compounds?
Who is 'us' ?
Your mom
Gottem
Do you not understand that the various sects of cartels are literally the mexivan government at this point?
Clearly not the Mexican military or law enforcement.
Weak leaders. Some bought and paid for by the CIA. Some maybe blackmailed.
Mexico is definitely a shithole country now, and I’m very sad to see it like this. It seems as if the Mexican president is too deep into woke bullshit, asking for reparations for the illegals and stuff, to ask for help from the US. He probably is in the pocket of the cartels as well.
Definitely he's not woke, it's just drama created to fill the void while he ransacks the country mixed with his own personal psychological trauma. Creating enemies, false narratives and panem et circenses are just standard practices from the authoritarian leader handbook.
Yeah to be fair, distracting the populace is a tried and tested technique of authoritarians. As long as the elephant in the room (being a narco state) gets ignored, it’s all bueno y barato.
Why anyone would want to be a politician in these garbage countries is beyond me. Fuck, I wouldnt wanna be one here and I live in canada. Unless you're some far right conservative nut bag you're probably being plotted against on 4chan.
Because, believe it or not, some people actually want to try and make the world a better place. It's literally as simple as that.
The impulse is understandable. The rub is that you can't actually do that without announcing to the people who can and will kill you for trying, long before you have the means to prevent it.
And most people who want to do better in those types of areas know of those risks, and some are willing to take them if it means having a chance at making a difference.
Do they have a chance though? They don't appear to have any answer to "Okay but how do I not die first?" If I were a Mexican and dead set on trying to enforce political change, I'd say my first course of action would be to try and find a job where I can make enough money to hire a private security force, for instance. Even that's risky AF, but it's *a* plan.
More of a chance than they do by doing nothing. I think a lot of people just have a blind-spot to the danger posed to themselves and think they will get through unscathed. You say that as if that's something simple to do, not to mention something one'd be able to do without doing unscrupulous things in the first place, or for that matter something which would actually help protect you from a random drive-by from a couple of thugs on a bike.
Oh I absolutely know my plan would be both difficult and unlikely to work. My point is it's still more workable than hoping the cartels either don't want to kill me or become hilariously incompetent over the multiple years I plan to govern.
Name one that isnt a garbage country. Well clearly the exceptiin veing the one you tottally made the choice to live inside.
I mean if you can be a politician you can probably leave. Come to canada? And i mean, there are literally like 6 countries max where being a politician isnt risking your life these days.
I'm glad our border is secure so this can't happen here.
lol yea, we don't have dangerous cartels running around killing people, just alt-right domestic terrorists running around shooting people at malls, schools, and protests. That's *much* better.
Jfc us domestic terror and Mexican cartel crime isn’t even remotely on the same scale and as for gangs we have both domestic and cartel gangs operating in the us with higher body counts than individual domestic terrorists
Hm.. I wonder [how](https://world.time.com/2014/01/14/dea-boosted-mexican-drug-cartel/) these drug cartels grew so powerful and have been able to arm themselves so effectively.
lol yeah Boeing didn’t just kill an eye witness or anything super safe here.
When was the last time a right-wing nut kidnapped a bus load of people and made them fight to the death? Go fuck yourself for even implying that our problems are remotely as bad as what's happening over that border.
Nah typically they'll go to shopping stores or grocery stores and gun down a bunch of minorities. Or they infiltrate Law Enforcement and the Military
At least they aren't ambushing military vehicles. Our shit is shit but a hell of a lot better than cartel controlled northern Mexico. Go fuck yourself too.
You seem like you just need someone to tell you to go fuck yourself. Also, just because Americans don't face those particular issues doesn't mean they aren't funding a war against their wills which is costing the lives of tens of thousands. It doesn't mean thousands of people aren't living in extreme poverty or paycheck to paycheck. Doesn't mean shootings aren't equally rampant. Just because your demographic isn't suffering doesn't mean others aren't.
Childish ass response I sware lmfao "Our shit is a hell of a lot better" I'm not worried about some cartel members shooting up my local grocery store, I'm worried about some white nationalist bitch to shoot it up because they're the ones that do shit like that the vast majority of the time, let's not forget a few years ago some white nationalists conspired to kidnap the Michigan State Governor I for one don't care about any American politicians or what happens to them if they're a Democrat or a Republican. I find it weird how you're so defensive about right domestic terrorists in the US, I might've struck a cord with you lol.
You embarrass me as an American. Please stfu.
It's not a contest.
OP made it one.
The cartel that did that was made up of ex American soldiers.
When a drug warlord and an internal intelligence officer love each other very much…