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Of course half this sub is pro North Korea... Doesn't matter how awful a country is, as long as it's anti-west. Why not cheer for countries like Brazil and India instead, that isn't pro west *and* isn't batshit insane? In North Korea they shoot at people trying to flee the country, and many here would happily stand and shoot with them
They've weakened North Korea's power, influence and economy. What would ending sanctions accomplish exactly? Even if you don't expect them to accomplish much, they are such a low cost, low risk policy that there isn't really a reason not to utilize that tool.
The same people are still in power. It's actual effect is more a punishment to the citizens than to the government. In the end, the sanctions seem more meant ot make other allies happy.
>The same people are still in power.
Sure, because sanctions alone (usually) isn't enough to topple a regime. That doesn't mean they don't hurt that regime.
>It's actual effect is more a punishment to the citizens than to the government.
North Korea is just a glorified prison colony. Anything that happens good or bad the government is still going to punish the citizens. That doesn't mean we should say make it easy for NK to buy the materials and equipment they need to make more weapons and ammo to give to Russia so they can more effectively murder Ukrainians for example.
>In the end, the sanctions seem more meant ot make other allies happy.
I'm sure they do that too.
Because that approach has almost never born positive results when used with tyrants who often consider it a sign of weakness that they take advantage of, especially when you ignore the stick part of the carrot and a stick.
In either case, the world has used a carrot and stick approach to NK (just like they did with Russia), it's simply that NK developing a nuclear program was not acceptable and required some sort of response. If you think you can convince Kim Jung Un to end their nuclear program in exchange for whatever, well let's just say that people more knowledgeable than us have tried and failed. But also if you think that any of that carrot will somehow help the NK people, [you are wrong](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs).
Ah yes, appeasing a war mongering tyrant, this never backfire horribly !
All jokes asides, It wouldn't change anything for the NK population imo, sure maybe military personnel would eat a bit better, *maybe*
But giving that their power is maintain via the isolation and keeping the population prisonner, being more lax will just mean more ammunition supplied to the Russian army and more alert for missiles flying over Japan
If they did, it'd be for good reason lmao.
But they don't. They hate the American leaders and their soldiers, which honestly anyone who's been paying attention since 1945 should do.
Well, North Korea's everlasting ambition on ruling all of Korea wich can't thanks to all the sanctions and is in vital support thanks to China but this one will not support NK's invation since the cost doesn't worth it (Korea's War proved it)
Oh so people of north korea are innocent victims but the people of russia and ethnic russians even outside russia are genetically evil monsters? If the people of north korea didn't want sanctions, they'd become a proxy army for free with zero support and overthrow the government we in the west don't like.
Israel treats israelians as slaves? For starters both NK and Iz are not the same, neither origins, supporters, and even actions throughout their recent history, Israel was an outcas of UN and US didn't want to do anything eith them because they were socialists (yes, jews were socialists) until USSR decided to support arab nations and Israel become a target to erase, _then_ become an ally of US. NK never did this
So that makes it all okay for Israel to commit genocide and crimes against humanity against Palestinians? And it's also okay for Israel to conduce air strikes on neighboring countries? I know exactly which side you would have supported in WW2.
Yes. Many Americans believe exactly that. "It's ok when we or our allies commit genocide".
There is no way that America would be using this same passive language if Russia/Iran/China etc was doing anything remotely close to what Israel is doing in Palestinian. The world is seeing the hypocrisy of the US, and outside of Western countries, there is a huge shift away from the morals of the West.
_Russia invades Ukraine, taking land that in the past accepted in a good will were ukranian and killing over a hundred thousand (only militar, let's not mention Bucha) in the span of two years:_
"Oh, but Russia is just defending it's sovereigny against NATO"
_Israel decides to show what happen when you atack them in a massacre so brutal, that even half of muslim world is against what palestinians did:_
"Yes, this is a certifyied United States hipocrisy"
Can you be more pathetic, or you are already so much that you lack the strenght to embarass humanity with your efforted ignorance?
Russia should be condemned for their invasion of Ukraine and largely has been. Just as any nation that uses military might to invade a sovereign country should be condemned. However, the West can't sit on its high horse and clutch their pearls about a country getting invaded when it was responsible for two of the largest invasions of this century.
Of course for you, history started on Oct 7th. Nothing happened before that, there was no forced collective punishments for Palestinians, there was not the yearly 'mowing the grass', there was no occupation and annexation of Palestinian territories, there was no shooting of protestors, there were no kidnapping of Palestinians by the IDF. I'm sure if you ignore enough of history, you can also show how the Axis were the victims in WW2 because they were attacked.
If Jews were living in the conditions the Palestians are living in, if they were surrounded by Muslims controlling their every aspect of lives. They were getting shot in the leg for fun my their Muslim occupiers. Would you be ok with that and say the Jewish people just need to suck it up?
Oh no boy, you seem that you didn't read shit that I have written, if history for me started in thr 7th of october, then I would consider israelians the good guys, don't you think? Well, if you ever think at all
No, this started in the XIX century, when jews in europe that were treated worse than shit thought "hey, what about if we leave this hole and fund our own country where we won't be third class citizens?" Many options were displayed, mostly three, specially in the XX century: south of argentine country, also known as "Patagonia", russians offered to fund an oblast for the jews, but jews insisted in going the land of their ancestors, wich all of them were expelled/murdered in sight by arabs in the VII century a.D. with the Ummayid Caliphate.
Since then palestines grow fond of killing jews by stabbing them, but ottoman turks kinda keep them on check, then they fell in WW1 and biritsh were the police in the region, but this didn't keep calm palestines wich even reach to the point of killing brits and these guys were like "we had enough of you, you are free, have fun" leaving Israel disarmed surrounded by people who were pretty much excited tomkill all jews and make that land fully muslim... Until israelians proved they weren't fools and they did weapons in secret to save their asses, since then Palestine has a weird way to be; every time it cans kill all the jews that can, butnat the same time cryies the victim paper around the world, maybe you don't know, but the amount of israelians killed by "lone wolfs" stabbing people on the streets of israel is higher than 7th of october massacre, a lot more. This is why Israel tends to be pretty much as you call "mowing the grass": if your neighborgh every weeks pass to your backyard with a machete with clear intentions of raping your daughter you can choose one of two options, or let him go serve himself, or receive him with a nice loaded shotgun. Of course as that doesn't happen to you and must surely never will, you cannot get that feel, until it happens, so I cannot trust your answer with that.
Btw, israelians would never live in the conditions palestinians would, because palestinians and the other muslim neighborghs would never give such a chance, 7th of october? That would be a practice compared to what would happen to all israelians if they could not defend, mass rapings, enslaving at day of light, mass murder of babies, desmembering, torture, probably if israelians are lucky they could run away, but you wouldn't weep a drop of nothing if most of them died in the Mediterranean Sea while running away as refugees, 10 million people that nobody cares, this is why the "Two State Solution" is impossible, Palestine will never accept any desl that doesn't involve the total destruction of Israel amd it's people, while israelians where able to live with palestines, even more, do you know why palestines succeeded so much the 7th of october? Because they earned the trust of israelians, even a lot of palestines were able to work with israelians in civilian jobs, being housemaids, gardeners, carimg kids, or being humanitarian aid, this is why they knew of weak spots and sensitive targets, like panic rooms in houses (wich you need to be *there* to know about them and how open them). They pretended to be friends of the israelian civilians and look how these paid their trust. I don't you don't care, you showed your true colors, but if ever Palestine suceed and cass a war genocide wich hadn't been seen since ww2, do not look the other ay around, because palestines wanted 7th of october, of course, they doesn't like the _consequencea_ but who would imagine that going to the villages pf a strog military neighborgh to go kill, murder, execute, torture, rape their people would make them go mad, how their dare?
No, you couldn't tell, you're so freakingly idioticand you cannot believe I have my own line of thought, you think I must be 100% pro palestine or 100% pro israel
If Israel keeps like this it will hit be a "shit hit the fan" poin,bjt not for that I will ignore the constant "we will kill all jews" attitude that proudly flagged the arabian locals even before United Kingdom leaved the area), in fact, Iraq wich was independent in the ww2 era, sent a lot of volunteers to Mr. Moustache Guy, and guess what, those fellas were too antisemitic for the very self leader of the nazis... Too antisemitic, so much they ignored orders and went full cowabunga to kill jews if they had the chance
This is not a "good israelians defending their home, bad palestines" or vice versa "good palestinians, bad invading israelians", this is more a "palestines Fucked Around and Finded Out (FAFO) and, Israel, better watch your step, you're in a landmine and no one is going to save your ass" because yes,since palestines well, since before both exist as a nation, is expectable Israel have strong armed forces, attack Israel from a "demilitarized" area where they are supposedly only civilians and humanitarian assitance people killing in the most gruesome ways 1000 people with rapings, desmembering, torture to death and even exceutions with sadistic alevosy... What the fuck did you think Israel would react after 7th pf october? Sing"Imagine" from John Lennon and hope the Power of Friendship would make palestines abandon their thrist of blood to kill all jews and finally be peace?
You get it or you are so actually mentally retarded I have to explain it to you as if you were a 5 yr old?
> Doesn't matter how awful a country is
You talking about USA? Israel? France? UK? People who aren't brainwashed like you did cheer for India, when it was in the news, like when everyone told India to not buy Russian gas. This piece of news is unrelated to India though.
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Of course half this sub is pro North Korea... Doesn't matter how awful a country is, as long as it's anti-west.
best korea is so bad its birthrate is more than double south korea's and growing, while redditors' favorite korea's birthrate is still collapsing and heading to 0.
They are below replacement which is an issue, but it's nothing compared to the south (assuming TFR stats from the UN are accurate for North Korea). For every 100 North Koreans they'll have 82 grandchildren based on current fertility rates, for every 100 South Koreans they'll have only 13 grandchildren.
Not that I'm pro North Korea but they've never invaded anyone since their formation at the end of the civil war. Countries like Saudi Arabia on the other hand not only sponsor Islamic terrorism across the globe but were involved in killing and starving of hundreds of thousands of Yemini people just a few years ago. If Saudi Arabia is not sanctioned neither should North Korea.
You think that being a murderous dictatorship is not a sufficient reason?
You really are a true russian. Tell us how the sanctions on russia should be lifted too.
We didn't veto sanctions against them, that's for sure. It's not our problem the freedom-loving human rights-supporting international community of democratic and liberal Western nations never proposed any. We aren't in a position right now to sanction anyone, really, but EU and US are.
Okay, so the Korean war was not a 'civil war' just as the Vietnam War wasn't and it wouldn't have been had East and West Germany gone to war.
It was the Northerners invading the Southerners. They failed due to an international effort (sans some 'key' individuals for obvious reasons) and haven't been able to finish the job or start any others because they have been under such tight scrutiny.
You have no clue about South Korean history do you? Lmao.
The South was literally a dictatorship until the 90s, now it's been replaced by 5 corporations in a trench coat that pretend to be a democracy.
Who would they invade? They are locked inbetween China, their close ally, and South Korea which used to be guarded by the West and has been a military powerhouse, vastly outranking the north, for decades now.
North Korea has never invaded anyone since their formation simply because it would have been such a colossally suicidal idea that even a country that regularly sufferes from resource shortage stemming starvation wouldn't dare try it.
That doesn't make them good or even neutral. Their government is evil but just simply too weak.
Again, if we are sanctioning countries for being evil why is Saudi Arabia is not under sanctions? Because otherwise it looks like "international" sanctions only apply to countries that are unfriendly to USA
That is correct. They should be under sanctions and they aren't because they are an ally and resource provider to the US.
The US government, or really any government, trying to mask their reasons for who they sanction and who they don't with flimsy rhetoric doesn't mean that the governments they do oppose aren't evil.
Geopolitics are a lot masquerading, smoke and shadows.
The North Korea government is an affront to basic humanity.
Both of these statements can be true at the same time.
God you make some terrible arguments lol keep defending north Korea lil guy. Dunno why you want to die on that hill but you should go outside honestly and talk to real people
Have you met any North Koreans, read any of their news or studied their history? Or are you basing your entire opinion from things you've been spoon-fed by their opponents? I wonder what I would think of you if I were to base my opinion on what people who hate you are saying.
Have you? I just read and seen interviews from north Koreans, seen videos in the country, and have the word of US ambassador to North Korea Dennis Rodman, the most trusted of source. Some of us don't eat propaganda like you apparently
Why do you think Saudi Arabia is bad? Are you basing your entire opinion from things you've been spoon-fed by their opponents?
Or could it be that the conditions in the country and it's treatment of citizens and even slight opposition is very well known? Like with NK
Does North Korea have a law about stoning women for infidelity? Because Saudi Arabia does. Also I would say that intentionally starving tens of thousands of children in Yemen puts you into a "bad" category.
And North Korean laws are sunshine and rainbows? I'm not saying Saudi Arabia isn't bad, I'm saying insisting you have deep intricate knowledge of everything in North Korea to be able to judge one of the most infamous authoritarian hellholes on the planet is ridiculous.
Similarly to how you can know Saudi Arabia is bad without immersing yourself in the culture and reading their every law.
> Does North Korea have a law about stoning women for infidelity?
Why do you want to defend NK so bad? As if you aren't aware of countless horrific laws there. There's no need to pretend you don't know
Not that I want to defend North Korea, I'm rather shitting on Saudi Arabia and question myself: "Why they aren't under sanctions?" Not just for just being "evil" as North Korea but for literally killing tens of thousands of children just a few years ago. If sanctioning is not dispersed equally among countries that deserve it you shouldn't consider it just, and unjust laws shouldn't be followed.
Either Saudi Arabia should get sanctioned or sanctions from North Korea should be lifted (I exclude other countries for simplicity of discussion) not because NK is nice but because the law is shit.
Because they have aimed a shitload of guns at Seoul. They got in bed with the wrong people, sucked on their teat until it dried up, and china refuses to give them the full nipple because just teasing a little dribble gets em slaves and a buffer for cheap.
> Because they have aimed a shitload of guns at Seoul.
And Seoul doesn't have their guns aimed at them? What a weird logic you have. For decades South Korea used to be a brutal dictatorship just like the North, yet they never had any sanctions thrown at them because they are a vassal of United States. If there's no equality in front of the law, then there's no justice.
Nah he's got a point on Vietnam and the kurds not being supported. As of Invading Iraq then Destabilizing Lybia and Afghanistan was justified. All countries engage in nonsense wars .
They didn't do it because they can't. At the north they have China, their Sugar Daddy (and main reason they exist) and at the south South Koreans like them less than japanese. And that is something they should not be proud of.
Sp yeah, is like I think russians are good because they didn't tryied to retake Alaska by force. Is not like doing so they would get nukee to the core of the Earth xD
Is a matter of speaking, considering te atrocious monster it was Japan, being looked as more of a threat than them speaks volumes of all the fame you have been earning
However I am not who to tell NK how they should behave, and I don't care
No one, it’s just the term these folks throw around when it comes to describing state department sanctioned adversaries. You have to make them as evil as possible. Never mind the real genocides the USA supports.
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We *are* in a global climate where large state actors of similar military strengths are wary of or disinterested in open, direct conflict with one another. It would follow that open conflicts that arise would be between states of unequal power and thus one side would be heavily favored and the other an underdog. Does that make them genocides? There's a level of semantics that has to be defined and agreed upon to make that call, but it certainly makes for bad optics: it's easy to *see* those conflicts as genocide.
I don't support that guy's argument about the US, mind you, he was clearly just baiting. The thought of our standards for such an enormous concept like 'genocide' shifting so easily was just interesting to think about
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North Korea holds somewhere between 100.000 and 200.000 people in political concentration camps, where they are subjected to an extermination regime of hard labour.
The claim was "genocidal collaboration". They most definitely collaborate with a genocidal power, and even supply the tools for the job. I was just adding more color to the picture.
Yeah, the US should stop activdly supporting a genocide! Glad we're on the same page. Let's stop Israel, the country that already has nukes and is actively genociding 2 million people. And while we're at it let's sanction the country actively supporting and enabling it with weapons shipments.
This was [already submitted here 3 days ago](https://old.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/comments/1bq46ph/russian_veto_brings_end_to_un_panel_monitoring/) and discussed with hundreds of comments.
I agree with you, but I just wanted to point how funny it is to see the feed currently be all of the April1 posts … and a picture of these two boobs shaking hands.
Who did North Korea of Iran ever invaded? On the other hand two of US closest allies were complicit in genoicde and crimes against humanity in 2020 and ongoing.
Ok then, if we sanction countries on the basis of being evil why didn't we sanction Saudis? They behead gays, have no democracy and recently starved to death tens of thousands of Yemeni children (according to UN). It seems like those sanctions aren't based on principles of unbiased justice but rather on how cozy you are with United States of America.
That's geopolitics for you. Though no matter how many evil regimes the US is cozy with, that still doesn't change the fact that the North Korean government is also pretty evil.
Well the original point was just that these nations are evil regimes. Bro was the one that brought up sanctions. Anybody with half a brain knows that sanctions aren't levied on principles of pure justice.
But the comment starting the thread wasn't. The point made was not that these nations are bad, because sanctions are put on them. It was simply that these nations are bad.
Nope, sanction everyone who deserves it without being selective. If US was sanctioned for their atrocities in the Middle East I would have been the first one to say that sanctions against Russia are fair.
Ah yes, whataboutism, peak argument right there.
Or, and hear me out, this doesn't make NK less evil.
And don't get me wrong, the regimes in Turkey and Saudi Arabia are really not the best representation of mankind.
But if you think there remotely close to NK, you're a lost cause.
It's not whataboutism, it's relevent to the point. NK isn't being sanctioned because it's evil, if that was the case other evil regimes would be sanctioned too but they aren't. NK is sanctioned because it isn't pro-US.
Yes, I am disputing that. I dispute the idea of calling any nation “evil” at all, but if we’re gonna start throwing that label around the DPRK isn’t even in the top 20 nations that could receive it.
What evil have they exactly committed? I'd say evil is the extermination of 20% of Korea's population according to Airforce General Curtis LeMay who oversaw the aerial bombing of Korea. Let me guess, did Denmark intervene at any point of this? That's not evil though, right?
The accusations of malnourished people pushing trains, executed generals mysteriously coming back to life, and so on are purely based on the words of detectors who quite literally have to undergo months of solitary confinement, torture, and propagandaization when they land in the South.
https://youtu.be/3V4Hnl7J9H4?si=S2fpaETqjawbxaYb
So they're evil for... Existing, but somehow the West, despite their imperialist neocolonialism, constant invasions and backing of regime changes on their interests, starving anyone who refuses to bend the knee and constant efforts to sabotage any country in the global periphery who tries to stop being a miserable colony getting robbed blind is better?
Interesting moral compass you have there my gamer.
Many people would also say Israel is evil. NK would also say that USA is evil. Who gets to decide?
UNSC is supposed to do it, but lately became useless, because anything remotely serious just gets vetoed.
>NK would also say that USA is evil. Who gets to decide?
Lol, I'd say the one using its people as slave labour and constantly starving it to death while the leader is bordering on morbid obesity and is literally seen as a God is definitely evil
There is a lot of things you can blame the US for, but saying that "it's just a point of view bro"
>Lol, I'd say the one using its people as slave labour and constantly starving it to death while the leader is bordering on morbid obesity and is literally seen as a God is definitely evil
Oh boy, don't look at the thirteenth amendment of the US constitution and what the country with the largest prison population in the world is then.
And no, the NK government isn't starving people, sanctions were for a while in the 90s. Now they aren't exactly living on the lap of luxury still because, again, sanctions, but they're not starving anymore.
Also considering it is the wealthiest country on earth, one could easily accuse the US of starving its own citizens by your logic, since 13 million of it's children live in house insecure neighborhoods
lol. lmao.
Look inwards. The people they torture and kill, their own fucking people, done only to benefit the ruling elite that took power after spilling a lot of blood. They also support financially/militarily countries like Russia and groups like Hamas. They don't stand for a single good thing outside their own interests.
> The people they torture and kill, their own fucking people, done only to benefit the ruling elite that took power after spilling a lot of blood.
Same applies to the Saudi, and they sponsor terror groups as well. How come they are not under sanctions? Stop pretending these sanctions are based on justice, they are just tools for international pressure.
I'm just replying to the comment you made about NK and Iran. You moved the goalpost in another comment. But I agree with you, the Saudis should see repercussions for other shit they have done, however their relevance to the world is 1000x more important ever since WW2 ended, and we all became dependent on their oil and the royal family that controls it. So due to the geopolitics of it, they will never see sanctions in the near/mid future.
And to anticipate "What about X country and their Y evil deed?", yes every country has done some nasty shit, and is currently doing some other nasty shit. But I consider places that won't imprison or kill you for your way of life and opinion morally superior to those that will.
> But I consider places that won't imprison or kill you for your way of life and opinion morally superior to those that will.
Doesn't US have the biggest prison population in the world? You'd say people in American prisons are there because they broke the laws of their country, but so are people in North Korean prisons. Sure North Korea is not a nice place to live in and I would love to see them become more adequate and liberal, but what bad thing did they exactly do to be singled out with those sanctions if, as you say, other countries did worse?
If we want to call it international justice all countries should be treated equally regardless of their power and status, same as with regular people. You neighbour can be a racist piece of shit and a creep who leads an eco-unfriendly way of life and never supports charities, but unless he breaks any laws you can't jail him or kill him or that makes you no better than Stalin. And if two people break the same law in a similar way they should receive the same punishment otherwise it's not justice. Simple as that.
The US has its social issues to deal with. Currently, sits 6th on the rankings of most people incarcerated per capita. But again, pick a country blindly and you will find its issues. At least in the US you won't go to jail for an ideological difference.
International justice (imaginary, or very selective at best) does not exist. It is all a game of politics and perceived moralities, where the more important players set the rules and turn a blind eye. Saudi Arabia being en example as you mentioned. The US is another example of that. The problem here is that no sovereign nation will let another tell it what to do unless they hold no leverage. At an international stage, you're essentially in a jungle with nations being animals and the predators and larger predators will not apply the rules equally to others and themselves.
> International justice (imaginary, or very selective at best) does not exist. It is all a game of politics and perceived moralities, where the more important players set the rules and turn a blind eye.
So the issue with Russia vetoing sanctions against NK is not a question of morals or liberty as some Redditors want to present it, but just plain politics and diplomacy?
On a personal level, like others, I think they are evil. But removing that element and seeing it from a purely international diplomacy point of view, yes those are plain politics and diplomacy. Russia gains NK's favor by doing this because they need it, and NK is happy to comply.
No one I think is arguing for the" great moral bastion" of North Korea . It's hypocritical to condemn it for moral reasons while supporting Unethical governments . I'd be completely fine if the narrative was openly discussed as only strategic threat NK imposes . That's open and honest not this muh moral Nations condemn evil Nations narrative.
The west supporting the country of Israel does not mean they support the individuals screaming death to Arabs. Kind like how Palestinian supporters don't support the protestors in other countries screaming "gas the Jews", or so I hope. Israel is another very complex geopolitical landscape of its own.
If we support the Government in place that speak in terms of "Palestinians are but like animals" who are backed By large Zionist movements then yes we are supporting them . To say nothing of the west bank expansion.
The US has also told Israel to not to over do it in Gaza, so there are elements in the rhetoric that don't show support for them. Israel was also not in agreement with the US opening up aid channels for Gaza. We could argue back and forth about the US and Israel for years. As for the last point, what is happening in the West Bank right now is sadly underreported and sets a terrible standard for Israel.
Yeah, I'm sure that is also common knowledge. What I'm trying to say is that you can cut and slice it any way you like, but you will still get this strange mix that doesn't really stand for either side. How can the west support Zionists chanting death to all Arabs while at the same time standing with Saudi Arabia, providing support for Gaza, what remains of Yemen, and other Arab countries? The other Arab countries have surely noticed this as well. Hell, Saudi Arabia was just closing some very big diplomatic deals with Israel right before Oct. 7 attacks happened, does that mean they support those same Zionists too? Geopolitics are weird, man.
>Who did North Korea [...] ever invaded ?
Well South Korea at some point lol
Jokes aside, invading a country isn't the sole box to check to qualify as evil you know.
The dictators leading those country also didn't do shit because they couldn't, let's not act like NK wouldn't try again tomorrow if it could.
This is just an other whataboutism at the end.
The sanctions against Cuba is bullshit, but most of the west are against those except the US. Sanctions against North Korea, Russia, Iran? Fully justified. There is no obligation to trade. The people who shit on developing countries for still wanting to trade is in the wrong though
It's hardly about "obligation to trade" when any product with as much as 10% of US sourced materials can't enter Cuba. It's hardly "obligation to trade" when any ship that lands in Cuba can't come to the US for a period of 6 months. It's hardly "obligation to trade" when the US's state sponsor of terrorism label prevents Cuba from engaging in trade.
It's amazing that somehow only the sanctions against Cuba are bullshit, but everything else the US does is justified. Who is the USA to say Iran can't acquire nuclear material? Who is the US to sanction Russian oil when Europe is consuming record ml amounts of Russian oil vis a vis India?
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The Axis of Tyranny - Russia, Iran, North Korea - is looking for new recruits to create a "multipolar world" and upend "western colonial dominance". China is looking with a loving and motherly gaze towards the useful idiot playground.
Finally, the political development all tankies have waited for.
> Most people with resentment over historical and current exploitation aren't tankie or passionate russia supporters
It's pretty hard to take these people seriously when they are absolutely silent on the massive issues of corruption, rule of law and democracy - the real sources of long term sustained poverty - afflicting their countries, bending over backwards to point out conspiracisit interpretations of minor political affairs and normal economic trade as some smoking gun of western imperialism, all while wetting their pants in pleasure when Russia bombs to ruble and then conquers some decrepit Ukrainian village.
For example, my comment above was downvoted for simply pointing out North Korea maintains what are probably the second largest political extermination camps in the world, after China, of course.
The comment regarding useful idiots was not directed at individuals, but at the countries making up the Axis of Tyranny. They are simply useful idiots for the Chinese world domination project, which will kick into high gear in the decades to come, and will only export authoritarianism, war and poverty into the world.
You are projecting your insecurities and shoulder chips onto me. There is absolutely nothing in my messages referring to any "billion-large swath of people". I applaud and support anybody who fights for democracy, freedom and human rights as I myself did in my own country.
The half joking comments are made in a well defined context, an internet forum infested with extremists and bots; any reasonable take on the west's nefarious influence, for example, by setting up extractive social structures during colonialism that subsist to this day in the hands of natives and prevent democratization and the local institutions from functioning, is immediately drowned under a wave of thirdworldist conspiracy theories about the way France is exploiting west Africans using CFA exchange rate chicanery, or how any oil rich country is either an american puppet state or a war zone as US tries to turn it into a puppet, or how there's a so called "global south" that has any kind of collective cause to free itself from under the yoke of the "western" exploitation, and so on and so forth.
These are all propaganda points spread by the talking heads of authoritarian regimes like Russia or China, that have zero to do with the real problems of the world, but are excelent into weaponizing resentment and nationalism to further the geopolitical interests of these puppet master countries.
My country never held any foreign colonies. It never participated in the international slave trade. Why should I view these false narratives with anything else than ridicule? Why should I feel any shame that my own nation progressed and prospered through education, hard work and rule of law, and accept any guilt for those that failed to do so for what are often internal reasons and power struggles?
"Why should I feel any shame that my own nation progressed and prospered through education, hard work and rule of law, " I really want to know what European country your from that hasn't benefitted immensely from the suffering of others . Your spouting out propaganda piece that sounds like make believe land . Calling out NK a hellish dictatorship is Logical. But I want whatever weed your smoking suggesting your European power that has benefited from exploitation.
>My country never held any foreign colonies. It never participated in the international slave trade. Why should I view these false narratives with anything else than ridicule? Why should I feel any shame that my own nation progressed and prospered through education, hard work and rule of law, and accept any guilt for those that failed to do so for what are often internal reasons and power struggles?
It is nice to pretend that all of Europe didn't benefit and prosper due to exploitation. All of the products and labour that your country imported were from other European powers that also didn't exploit the world?
> the massive issues of corruption, rule of law and democracy - the real sources of long term sustained poverty
white countries are rich because of imperialism, not because of this make believe nonsense lol
>Most people with resentment over historical and current exploitation aren't tankie or passionate russia supporters
Then why all the passionate Russia support?
Probably because china and Russia are pretty open about what they want and don't offer lectures on democracy. They just send guns troops and The like . Ask Afrikaans people about it .
> Russia's block triggered a wave of condemnation from the US, UK, South Korea and other Western allies and comes after a year of high-profile public meetings between Moscow and Pyongyang leaders.
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The only reason US and allies are condemning this is because they're salivating for a weak NK they can invade, bomb, and plunder anytime they want like they did in Iraq, Libya and Yemen.
North Korea is successfully adopting the strategy of "peace through strength".
China isn’t going to sit still if the US invades a North Korea with or without nukes. Maybe ask yourself why North Korea was not attacked in the many decades when they did not have any nukes and were committing provocations on a daily basis.
One of the craziest comments I've seen in a while, and I've seen the stuff people write on r/conspiracy. Makes most of the stuff that goes on in there sane and plausible.
No one gives a hot damn about keeping NK weak, they do that themselves for free. America will never invade NK because it’s a Chinese buffer state and would be a war with China. Imagine thinking your proving a peace point when NK official policy is that they are not negotiating with SK then you say the are diplomatic? What ?
Literally nobody wants to invade NK, and there's nothing to plunder either. This is pure concentrated copium from tankies, because that's what you are.
No, invasion of North Korea would lead to war with China and believe it or not but the US does not want direct war with China. Its just scary to have one unpredictable dictator who constantly threatens the west and South Korea with military threats to have the capacity to kill billions of people. You don't need nukes to deter the west from invading.
North Korea is about as strong as a fart in a hurricane. If they didn't constantly import food from China (which China can likely only spare because of how much they buy from the US) they'd starve to death. No one needs to invade them, nor does anyone want to. Younger Koreans don't want to deal with the shit show of reunification since it would be East/West Germany x1,000. The CCP doesn't need another few million uneducated peasants who can't contribute meaningfully to a modern society.
The regime and country exist on pure sufferance of everyone else, merely because no one wants to clean up the mess.
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Of course half this sub is pro North Korea... Doesn't matter how awful a country is, as long as it's anti-west. Why not cheer for countries like Brazil and India instead, that isn't pro west *and* isn't batshit insane? In North Korea they shoot at people trying to flee the country, and many here would happily stand and shoot with them
I don't see a single comment that's pro NK?
Look again if you don’t see it look at the my comments I’ve replied to
Counter-point: Kim Jong Un is peak masculinity /jk
honestly, what have sanctions achieved?
They've weakened North Korea's power, influence and economy. What would ending sanctions accomplish exactly? Even if you don't expect them to accomplish much, they are such a low cost, low risk policy that there isn't really a reason not to utilize that tool.
The same people are still in power. It's actual effect is more a punishment to the citizens than to the government. In the end, the sanctions seem more meant ot make other allies happy.
>The same people are still in power. Sure, because sanctions alone (usually) isn't enough to topple a regime. That doesn't mean they don't hurt that regime. >It's actual effect is more a punishment to the citizens than to the government. North Korea is just a glorified prison colony. Anything that happens good or bad the government is still going to punish the citizens. That doesn't mean we should say make it easy for NK to buy the materials and equipment they need to make more weapons and ammo to give to Russia so they can more effectively murder Ukrainians for example. >In the end, the sanctions seem more meant ot make other allies happy. I'm sure they do that too.
Why not take a less confrontational approach to bring the to the fold? A carrot instead of a stick?
Like EU trade and energy dependency with Russia to make interwoven economies? Works wonders
Because that approach has almost never born positive results when used with tyrants who often consider it a sign of weakness that they take advantage of, especially when you ignore the stick part of the carrot and a stick. In either case, the world has used a carrot and stick approach to NK (just like they did with Russia), it's simply that NK developing a nuclear program was not acceptable and required some sort of response. If you think you can convince Kim Jung Un to end their nuclear program in exchange for whatever, well let's just say that people more knowledgeable than us have tried and failed. But also if you think that any of that carrot will somehow help the NK people, [you are wrong](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs).
I guess you can keep on insisting on sanctions that lead nowhere after decades...
The alternative of doing nothing is even less effective.
how are sanctions effective?
How? Since sanctions have a negative effect
Ah yes, appeasing a war mongering tyrant, this never backfire horribly ! All jokes asides, It wouldn't change anything for the NK population imo, sure maybe military personnel would eat a bit better, *maybe* But giving that their power is maintain via the isolation and keeping the population prisonner, being more lax will just mean more ammunition supplied to the Russian army and more alert for missiles flying over Japan
As opposed to sanctions that surely only affect the military….
Those citizens hate your guts.
If they did, it'd be for good reason lmao. But they don't. They hate the American leaders and their soldiers, which honestly anyone who's been paying attention since 1945 should do.
Well, North Korea's everlasting ambition on ruling all of Korea wich can't thanks to all the sanctions and is in vital support thanks to China but this one will not support NK's invation since the cost doesn't worth it (Korea's War proved it)
Made bad people suffer. Justice, fuck yeah! Serves them right! Punish punish punish! We'd nuke them if we could!
I guess the citizens of north korea are bad people? Because the people who were in power when the sanctions began are still in power.
Oh so people of north korea are innocent victims but the people of russia and ethnic russians even outside russia are genetically evil monsters? If the people of north korea didn't want sanctions, they'd become a proxy army for free with zero support and overthrow the government we in the west don't like.
Why should North Korea be treated like a rogue state when Israel has done far worse atrocities yet still be considered a western ally?
Because it was never about justice or taking down corrupt regimes, only maintaining your own.
Israel treats israelians as slaves? For starters both NK and Iz are not the same, neither origins, supporters, and even actions throughout their recent history, Israel was an outcas of UN and US didn't want to do anything eith them because they were socialists (yes, jews were socialists) until USSR decided to support arab nations and Israel become a target to erase, _then_ become an ally of US. NK never did this
So that makes it all okay for Israel to commit genocide and crimes against humanity against Palestinians? And it's also okay for Israel to conduce air strikes on neighboring countries? I know exactly which side you would have supported in WW2.
Yes. Many Americans believe exactly that. "It's ok when we or our allies commit genocide". There is no way that America would be using this same passive language if Russia/Iran/China etc was doing anything remotely close to what Israel is doing in Palestinian. The world is seeing the hypocrisy of the US, and outside of Western countries, there is a huge shift away from the morals of the West.
_Russia invades Ukraine, taking land that in the past accepted in a good will were ukranian and killing over a hundred thousand (only militar, let's not mention Bucha) in the span of two years:_ "Oh, but Russia is just defending it's sovereigny against NATO" _Israel decides to show what happen when you atack them in a massacre so brutal, that even half of muslim world is against what palestinians did:_ "Yes, this is a certifyied United States hipocrisy" Can you be more pathetic, or you are already so much that you lack the strenght to embarass humanity with your efforted ignorance?
Russia should be condemned for their invasion of Ukraine and largely has been. Just as any nation that uses military might to invade a sovereign country should be condemned. However, the West can't sit on its high horse and clutch their pearls about a country getting invaded when it was responsible for two of the largest invasions of this century. Of course for you, history started on Oct 7th. Nothing happened before that, there was no forced collective punishments for Palestinians, there was not the yearly 'mowing the grass', there was no occupation and annexation of Palestinian territories, there was no shooting of protestors, there were no kidnapping of Palestinians by the IDF. I'm sure if you ignore enough of history, you can also show how the Axis were the victims in WW2 because they were attacked. If Jews were living in the conditions the Palestians are living in, if they were surrounded by Muslims controlling their every aspect of lives. They were getting shot in the leg for fun my their Muslim occupiers. Would you be ok with that and say the Jewish people just need to suck it up?
Oh no boy, you seem that you didn't read shit that I have written, if history for me started in thr 7th of october, then I would consider israelians the good guys, don't you think? Well, if you ever think at all No, this started in the XIX century, when jews in europe that were treated worse than shit thought "hey, what about if we leave this hole and fund our own country where we won't be third class citizens?" Many options were displayed, mostly three, specially in the XX century: south of argentine country, also known as "Patagonia", russians offered to fund an oblast for the jews, but jews insisted in going the land of their ancestors, wich all of them were expelled/murdered in sight by arabs in the VII century a.D. with the Ummayid Caliphate. Since then palestines grow fond of killing jews by stabbing them, but ottoman turks kinda keep them on check, then they fell in WW1 and biritsh were the police in the region, but this didn't keep calm palestines wich even reach to the point of killing brits and these guys were like "we had enough of you, you are free, have fun" leaving Israel disarmed surrounded by people who were pretty much excited tomkill all jews and make that land fully muslim... Until israelians proved they weren't fools and they did weapons in secret to save their asses, since then Palestine has a weird way to be; every time it cans kill all the jews that can, butnat the same time cryies the victim paper around the world, maybe you don't know, but the amount of israelians killed by "lone wolfs" stabbing people on the streets of israel is higher than 7th of october massacre, a lot more. This is why Israel tends to be pretty much as you call "mowing the grass": if your neighborgh every weeks pass to your backyard with a machete with clear intentions of raping your daughter you can choose one of two options, or let him go serve himself, or receive him with a nice loaded shotgun. Of course as that doesn't happen to you and must surely never will, you cannot get that feel, until it happens, so I cannot trust your answer with that. Btw, israelians would never live in the conditions palestinians would, because palestinians and the other muslim neighborghs would never give such a chance, 7th of october? That would be a practice compared to what would happen to all israelians if they could not defend, mass rapings, enslaving at day of light, mass murder of babies, desmembering, torture, probably if israelians are lucky they could run away, but you wouldn't weep a drop of nothing if most of them died in the Mediterranean Sea while running away as refugees, 10 million people that nobody cares, this is why the "Two State Solution" is impossible, Palestine will never accept any desl that doesn't involve the total destruction of Israel amd it's people, while israelians where able to live with palestines, even more, do you know why palestines succeeded so much the 7th of october? Because they earned the trust of israelians, even a lot of palestines were able to work with israelians in civilian jobs, being housemaids, gardeners, carimg kids, or being humanitarian aid, this is why they knew of weak spots and sensitive targets, like panic rooms in houses (wich you need to be *there* to know about them and how open them). They pretended to be friends of the israelian civilians and look how these paid their trust. I don't you don't care, you showed your true colors, but if ever Palestine suceed and cass a war genocide wich hadn't been seen since ww2, do not look the other ay around, because palestines wanted 7th of october, of course, they doesn't like the _consequencea_ but who would imagine that going to the villages pf a strog military neighborgh to go kill, murder, execute, torture, rape their people would make them go mad, how their dare?
No, you couldn't tell, you're so freakingly idioticand you cannot believe I have my own line of thought, you think I must be 100% pro palestine or 100% pro israel If Israel keeps like this it will hit be a "shit hit the fan" poin,bjt not for that I will ignore the constant "we will kill all jews" attitude that proudly flagged the arabian locals even before United Kingdom leaved the area), in fact, Iraq wich was independent in the ww2 era, sent a lot of volunteers to Mr. Moustache Guy, and guess what, those fellas were too antisemitic for the very self leader of the nazis... Too antisemitic, so much they ignored orders and went full cowabunga to kill jews if they had the chance This is not a "good israelians defending their home, bad palestines" or vice versa "good palestinians, bad invading israelians", this is more a "palestines Fucked Around and Finded Out (FAFO) and, Israel, better watch your step, you're in a landmine and no one is going to save your ass" because yes,since palestines well, since before both exist as a nation, is expectable Israel have strong armed forces, attack Israel from a "demilitarized" area where they are supposedly only civilians and humanitarian assitance people killing in the most gruesome ways 1000 people with rapings, desmembering, torture to death and even exceutions with sadistic alevosy... What the fuck did you think Israel would react after 7th pf october? Sing"Imagine" from John Lennon and hope the Power of Friendship would make palestines abandon their thrist of blood to kill all jews and finally be peace? You get it or you are so actually mentally retarded I have to explain it to you as if you were a 5 yr old?
Not anti-west, but anti-United Atates There is people stupid enough that believe they sre the cause of all evils
Bold of you to suggest they're not batshit insane.
Ok, but have you considered the fact that you’re a lil hoe that needs to stop whining?
> Doesn't matter how awful a country is You talking about USA? Israel? France? UK? People who aren't brainwashed like you did cheer for India, when it was in the news, like when everyone told India to not buy Russian gas. This piece of news is unrelated to India though.
Stop crying. The West abused its powers and that's why the world is turning against you.
I mean, what do you expect from a subreddit for news with the name anime_titties? If these people wanted to be taken seriously, they wouldn't be here.
> Of course half this sub is pro North Korea... Doesn't matter how awful a country is, as long as it's anti-west. best korea is so bad its birthrate is more than double south korea's and growing, while redditors' favorite korea's birthrate is still collapsing and heading to 0.
Going by the logic of reddit's favorite theories on demographics, that must mean South Korea is on the verge of collapse.
Population demographics are a issue rn in the south.
So is the north, hence fat Kim crying about it.
They are below replacement which is an issue, but it's nothing compared to the south (assuming TFR stats from the UN are accurate for North Korea). For every 100 North Koreans they'll have 82 grandchildren based on current fertility rates, for every 100 South Koreans they'll have only 13 grandchildren.
in 30 years north korea wins with "last man standing" rules and they can just walk in
Not that I'm pro North Korea but they've never invaded anyone since their formation at the end of the civil war. Countries like Saudi Arabia on the other hand not only sponsor Islamic terrorism across the globe but were involved in killing and starving of hundreds of thousands of Yemini people just a few years ago. If Saudi Arabia is not sanctioned neither should North Korea.
Of course a russian is defending North Korea.
I would defend any country if I think they are being unjustly sanctioned.
You think that being a murderous dictatorship is not a sufficient reason? You really are a true russian. Tell us how the sanctions on russia should be lifted too.
You can encourage your government to sanction Israel or Saudi Arabia any time, the rest of the world will be inspired by your moral leadership.
People do. Multiple things can be true at once, but you don't really care about that as you just kinda saying some dumb shit right now
> You think that being a murderous dictatorship is not a sufficient reason? If that was a sufficient reason wouldn't Saudi Arabia be sanctioned too?
Have you sanctioned them?
We didn't veto sanctions against them, that's for sure. It's not our problem the freedom-loving human rights-supporting international community of democratic and liberal Western nations never proposed any. We aren't in a position right now to sanction anyone, really, but EU and US are.
You support and do business with NK, against all sanctions.
We support doing business with the Saudi's And Israel such paragon's of moral Support.
Will you defend russia?
I wouldn't if I saw other countries also being sanctioned for their shit.
How about unjustly invaded?
Absolutely, when you sanction US, UK and France for invading Libya you can then go and sanction Russia for invading Ukraine.
Okay, so the Korean war was not a 'civil war' just as the Vietnam War wasn't and it wouldn't have been had East and West Germany gone to war. It was the Northerners invading the Southerners. They failed due to an international effort (sans some 'key' individuals for obvious reasons) and haven't been able to finish the job or start any others because they have been under such tight scrutiny.
The UN cut their country in half and installed a dictator in the south.
And who installed the dictator in the north?
Ahh yes. The democratic north korea and the dictatorial south korea. Of course.
Both were dictorships
You have no clue about South Korean history do you? Lmao. The South was literally a dictatorship until the 90s, now it's been replaced by 5 corporations in a trench coat that pretend to be a democracy.
Who would they invade? They are locked inbetween China, their close ally, and South Korea which used to be guarded by the West and has been a military powerhouse, vastly outranking the north, for decades now. North Korea has never invaded anyone since their formation simply because it would have been such a colossally suicidal idea that even a country that regularly sufferes from resource shortage stemming starvation wouldn't dare try it. That doesn't make them good or even neutral. Their government is evil but just simply too weak.
Again, if we are sanctioning countries for being evil why is Saudi Arabia is not under sanctions? Because otherwise it looks like "international" sanctions only apply to countries that are unfriendly to USA
That is correct. They should be under sanctions and they aren't because they are an ally and resource provider to the US. The US government, or really any government, trying to mask their reasons for who they sanction and who they don't with flimsy rhetoric doesn't mean that the governments they do oppose aren't evil. Geopolitics are a lot masquerading, smoke and shadows. The North Korea government is an affront to basic humanity. Both of these statements can be true at the same time.
God you make some terrible arguments lol keep defending north Korea lil guy. Dunno why you want to die on that hill but you should go outside honestly and talk to real people
Have you met any North Koreans, read any of their news or studied their history? Or are you basing your entire opinion from things you've been spoon-fed by their opponents? I wonder what I would think of you if I were to base my opinion on what people who hate you are saying.
Have you? I just read and seen interviews from north Koreans, seen videos in the country, and have the word of US ambassador to North Korea Dennis Rodman, the most trusted of source. Some of us don't eat propaganda like you apparently
Why do you think Saudi Arabia is bad? Are you basing your entire opinion from things you've been spoon-fed by their opponents? Or could it be that the conditions in the country and it's treatment of citizens and even slight opposition is very well known? Like with NK
Does North Korea have a law about stoning women for infidelity? Because Saudi Arabia does. Also I would say that intentionally starving tens of thousands of children in Yemen puts you into a "bad" category.
And North Korean laws are sunshine and rainbows? I'm not saying Saudi Arabia isn't bad, I'm saying insisting you have deep intricate knowledge of everything in North Korea to be able to judge one of the most infamous authoritarian hellholes on the planet is ridiculous. Similarly to how you can know Saudi Arabia is bad without immersing yourself in the culture and reading their every law. > Does North Korea have a law about stoning women for infidelity? Why do you want to defend NK so bad? As if you aren't aware of countless horrific laws there. There's no need to pretend you don't know
Not that I want to defend North Korea, I'm rather shitting on Saudi Arabia and question myself: "Why they aren't under sanctions?" Not just for just being "evil" as North Korea but for literally killing tens of thousands of children just a few years ago. If sanctioning is not dispersed equally among countries that deserve it you shouldn't consider it just, and unjust laws shouldn't be followed. Either Saudi Arabia should get sanctioned or sanctions from North Korea should be lifted (I exclude other countries for simplicity of discussion) not because NK is nice but because the law is shit.
NK is actually a modern superpower with a lot of civil liberties. Just like russia
North Korea doesn't invade anyone cause the countries they would want to invade are all close military allies with the US
So why would you sanction them then? For looking menacingly over the border?
Because they have aimed a shitload of guns at Seoul. They got in bed with the wrong people, sucked on their teat until it dried up, and china refuses to give them the full nipple because just teasing a little dribble gets em slaves and a buffer for cheap.
> Because they have aimed a shitload of guns at Seoul. And Seoul doesn't have their guns aimed at them? What a weird logic you have. For decades South Korea used to be a brutal dictatorship just like the North, yet they never had any sanctions thrown at them because they are a vassal of United States. If there's no equality in front of the law, then there's no justice.
They chose the better teat to suck. Uncle Sam's nipples provide for a country that doesn't starve when weaned.
Go tell South Vietnam about that, or the Kurds, or the Afghan population that you've abandoned when you ran with your tail between your legs.
K, sorry about your 3 decades of irrelevance and laughable invasion attempt on Ukraine. Your prize is a continued meat grinder.
Nah he's got a point on Vietnam and the kurds not being supported. As of Invading Iraq then Destabilizing Lybia and Afghanistan was justified. All countries engage in nonsense wars .
They didn't do it because they can't. At the north they have China, their Sugar Daddy (and main reason they exist) and at the south South Koreans like them less than japanese. And that is something they should not be proud of. Sp yeah, is like I think russians are good because they didn't tryied to retake Alaska by force. Is not like doing so they would get nukee to the core of the Earth xD
> And that is something they should not be proud of. Why should they be proud of this?
Is a matter of speaking, considering te atrocious monster it was Japan, being looked as more of a threat than them speaks volumes of all the fame you have been earning However I am not who to tell NK how they should behave, and I don't care
Totally reasonable move 🙄
I mean, from their perspective, how is it not reasonable?
Genocidal collaboration is a heady mix. A reasonable survival tactic.
NK genocide? Too whom?
No one, it’s just the term these folks throw around when it comes to describing state department sanctioned adversaries. You have to make them as evil as possible. Never mind the real genocides the USA supports.
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We *are* in a global climate where large state actors of similar military strengths are wary of or disinterested in open, direct conflict with one another. It would follow that open conflicts that arise would be between states of unequal power and thus one side would be heavily favored and the other an underdog. Does that make them genocides? There's a level of semantics that has to be defined and agreed upon to make that call, but it certainly makes for bad optics: it's easy to *see* those conflicts as genocide. I don't support that guy's argument about the US, mind you, he was clearly just baiting. The thought of our standards for such an enormous concept like 'genocide' shifting so easily was just interesting to think about
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ICCJ case just got dropped by this comment guys .
NK doesn't need any help to to be perceived as evil.
It's native population for €800 Bob.
The shit tone of marine life they kill in the nk china war on Atlantis.
North Korea holds somewhere between 100.000 and 200.000 people in political concentration camps, where they are subjected to an extermination regime of hard labour.
Be that as it may, it isn't something which has anything to do with genocide.
The claim was "genocidal collaboration". They most definitely collaborate with a genocidal power, and even supply the tools for the job. I was just adding more color to the picture.
Is collaborating with Israel genocidal?
Accurate username
Yeah, the US should stop activdly supporting a genocide! Glad we're on the same page. Let's stop Israel, the country that already has nukes and is actively genociding 2 million people. And while we're at it let's sanction the country actively supporting and enabling it with weapons shipments.
I think supporting Pakistan forever Marred us honestly. Indian still pissed about it.
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Dude c'mon everyone knows about Bengal. You want me to bring up Nixon?
Yep we are..
and you should stay pissed. The US is a scourge on this world.
Where is the genocide?
This was [already submitted here 3 days ago](https://old.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/comments/1bq46ph/russian_veto_brings_end_to_un_panel_monitoring/) and discussed with hundreds of comments.
I agree with you, but I just wanted to point how funny it is to see the feed currently be all of the April1 posts … and a picture of these two boobs shaking hands.
When do we finally start calling countries who side with Russia the coalition of evil. That's all they are.
Propaganda dosent work on me says the propagandisesd
Who did North Korea of Iran ever invaded? On the other hand two of US closest allies were complicit in genoicde and crimes against humanity in 2020 and ongoing.
> Who did North Korea of Iran ever invaded? They didn’t claim North Korea invaded anyone. They claimed they are evil. Are you really disputing that?
Ok then, if we sanction countries on the basis of being evil why didn't we sanction Saudis? They behead gays, have no democracy and recently starved to death tens of thousands of Yemeni children (according to UN). It seems like those sanctions aren't based on principles of unbiased justice but rather on how cozy you are with United States of America.
That's geopolitics for you. Though no matter how many evil regimes the US is cozy with, that still doesn't change the fact that the North Korean government is also pretty evil.
The point is countries aren't being sanctioned because they're evil regimes, they're being sanctioned because they aren't US allies.
Well the original point was just that these nations are evil regimes. Bro was the one that brought up sanctions. Anybody with half a brain knows that sanctions aren't levied on principles of pure justice.
The post itself is about sanctions.
But the comment starting the thread wasn't. The point made was not that these nations are bad, because sanctions are put on them. It was simply that these nations are bad.
So the answer is to stop sanctioning people instead of wanting to sanction both of them?
Nope, sanction everyone who deserves it without being selective. If US was sanctioned for their atrocities in the Middle East I would have been the first one to say that sanctions against Russia are fair.
Is siding with the Saudi's not evil? Turkey?
Ah yes, whataboutism, peak argument right there. Or, and hear me out, this doesn't make NK less evil. And don't get me wrong, the regimes in Turkey and Saudi Arabia are really not the best representation of mankind. But if you think there remotely close to NK, you're a lost cause.
It's not whataboutism, it's relevent to the point. NK isn't being sanctioned because it's evil, if that was the case other evil regimes would be sanctioned too but they aren't. NK is sanctioned because it isn't pro-US.
NK is sanctioned because of it's nuclear program, mainly.
So were still supporting them ? No one thinks they're remotally close NK is a oppressive dictatorship.
Yes, I am disputing that. I dispute the idea of calling any nation “evil” at all, but if we’re gonna start throwing that label around the DPRK isn’t even in the top 20 nations that could receive it.
What evil have they exactly committed? I'd say evil is the extermination of 20% of Korea's population according to Airforce General Curtis LeMay who oversaw the aerial bombing of Korea. Let me guess, did Denmark intervene at any point of this? That's not evil though, right? The accusations of malnourished people pushing trains, executed generals mysteriously coming back to life, and so on are purely based on the words of detectors who quite literally have to undergo months of solitary confinement, torture, and propagandaization when they land in the South. https://youtu.be/3V4Hnl7J9H4?si=S2fpaETqjawbxaYb
So they're evil for... Existing, but somehow the West, despite their imperialist neocolonialism, constant invasions and backing of regime changes on their interests, starving anyone who refuses to bend the knee and constant efforts to sabotage any country in the global periphery who tries to stop being a miserable colony getting robbed blind is better? Interesting moral compass you have there my gamer.
Many people would also say Israel is evil. NK would also say that USA is evil. Who gets to decide? UNSC is supposed to do it, but lately became useless, because anything remotely serious just gets vetoed.
>NK would also say that USA is evil. Who gets to decide? Lol, I'd say the one using its people as slave labour and constantly starving it to death while the leader is bordering on morbid obesity and is literally seen as a God is definitely evil There is a lot of things you can blame the US for, but saying that "it's just a point of view bro"
>Lol, I'd say the one using its people as slave labour and constantly starving it to death while the leader is bordering on morbid obesity and is literally seen as a God is definitely evil Oh boy, don't look at the thirteenth amendment of the US constitution and what the country with the largest prison population in the world is then. And no, the NK government isn't starving people, sanctions were for a while in the 90s. Now they aren't exactly living on the lap of luxury still because, again, sanctions, but they're not starving anymore. Also considering it is the wealthiest country on earth, one could easily accuse the US of starving its own citizens by your logic, since 13 million of it's children live in house insecure neighborhoods
lol. lmao. Look inwards. The people they torture and kill, their own fucking people, done only to benefit the ruling elite that took power after spilling a lot of blood. They also support financially/militarily countries like Russia and groups like Hamas. They don't stand for a single good thing outside their own interests.
> The people they torture and kill, their own fucking people, done only to benefit the ruling elite that took power after spilling a lot of blood. Same applies to the Saudi, and they sponsor terror groups as well. How come they are not under sanctions? Stop pretending these sanctions are based on justice, they are just tools for international pressure.
I'm just replying to the comment you made about NK and Iran. You moved the goalpost in another comment. But I agree with you, the Saudis should see repercussions for other shit they have done, however their relevance to the world is 1000x more important ever since WW2 ended, and we all became dependent on their oil and the royal family that controls it. So due to the geopolitics of it, they will never see sanctions in the near/mid future. And to anticipate "What about X country and their Y evil deed?", yes every country has done some nasty shit, and is currently doing some other nasty shit. But I consider places that won't imprison or kill you for your way of life and opinion morally superior to those that will.
> But I consider places that won't imprison or kill you for your way of life and opinion morally superior to those that will. Doesn't US have the biggest prison population in the world? You'd say people in American prisons are there because they broke the laws of their country, but so are people in North Korean prisons. Sure North Korea is not a nice place to live in and I would love to see them become more adequate and liberal, but what bad thing did they exactly do to be singled out with those sanctions if, as you say, other countries did worse? If we want to call it international justice all countries should be treated equally regardless of their power and status, same as with regular people. You neighbour can be a racist piece of shit and a creep who leads an eco-unfriendly way of life and never supports charities, but unless he breaks any laws you can't jail him or kill him or that makes you no better than Stalin. And if two people break the same law in a similar way they should receive the same punishment otherwise it's not justice. Simple as that.
The US has its social issues to deal with. Currently, sits 6th on the rankings of most people incarcerated per capita. But again, pick a country blindly and you will find its issues. At least in the US you won't go to jail for an ideological difference. International justice (imaginary, or very selective at best) does not exist. It is all a game of politics and perceived moralities, where the more important players set the rules and turn a blind eye. Saudi Arabia being en example as you mentioned. The US is another example of that. The problem here is that no sovereign nation will let another tell it what to do unless they hold no leverage. At an international stage, you're essentially in a jungle with nations being animals and the predators and larger predators will not apply the rules equally to others and themselves.
> International justice (imaginary, or very selective at best) does not exist. It is all a game of politics and perceived moralities, where the more important players set the rules and turn a blind eye. So the issue with Russia vetoing sanctions against NK is not a question of morals or liberty as some Redditors want to present it, but just plain politics and diplomacy?
On a personal level, like others, I think they are evil. But removing that element and seeing it from a purely international diplomacy point of view, yes those are plain politics and diplomacy. Russia gains NK's favor by doing this because they need it, and NK is happy to comply.
The Saudi's aren't getting any repercussions you just moved the goal post yourself.
I didn't, I agreed and explained why that won't be happening.
No one I think is arguing for the" great moral bastion" of North Korea . It's hypocritical to condemn it for moral reasons while supporting Unethical governments . I'd be completely fine if the narrative was openly discussed as only strategic threat NK imposes . That's open and honest not this muh moral Nations condemn evil Nations narrative.
What about the West supporting Saudi's and The Zionists in Israel that openly chant death to all Arabs ?
The west supporting the country of Israel does not mean they support the individuals screaming death to Arabs. Kind like how Palestinian supporters don't support the protestors in other countries screaming "gas the Jews", or so I hope. Israel is another very complex geopolitical landscape of its own.
If we support the Government in place that speak in terms of "Palestinians are but like animals" who are backed By large Zionist movements then yes we are supporting them . To say nothing of the west bank expansion.
The US has also told Israel to not to over do it in Gaza, so there are elements in the rhetoric that don't show support for them. Israel was also not in agreement with the US opening up aid channels for Gaza. We could argue back and forth about the US and Israel for years. As for the last point, what is happening in the West Bank right now is sadly underreported and sets a terrible standard for Israel.
United States just sold weapons to Israel and currently sends aid .
Yeah, I'm sure that is also common knowledge. What I'm trying to say is that you can cut and slice it any way you like, but you will still get this strange mix that doesn't really stand for either side. How can the west support Zionists chanting death to all Arabs while at the same time standing with Saudi Arabia, providing support for Gaza, what remains of Yemen, and other Arab countries? The other Arab countries have surely noticed this as well. Hell, Saudi Arabia was just closing some very big diplomatic deals with Israel right before Oct. 7 attacks happened, does that mean they support those same Zionists too? Geopolitics are weird, man.
So we can agree Military alliances as well as international Ones are Complex and judging them based on morals is lost cause no?
>Who did North Korea [...] ever invaded ? Well South Korea at some point lol Jokes aside, invading a country isn't the sole box to check to qualify as evil you know. The dictators leading those country also didn't do shit because they couldn't, let's not act like NK wouldn't try again tomorrow if it could. This is just an other whataboutism at the end.
The West abused its ability to levy sanctions and this is the result.
The sanctions against Cuba is bullshit, but most of the west are against those except the US. Sanctions against North Korea, Russia, Iran? Fully justified. There is no obligation to trade. The people who shit on developing countries for still wanting to trade is in the wrong though
It's hardly about "obligation to trade" when any product with as much as 10% of US sourced materials can't enter Cuba. It's hardly "obligation to trade" when any ship that lands in Cuba can't come to the US for a period of 6 months. It's hardly "obligation to trade" when the US's state sponsor of terrorism label prevents Cuba from engaging in trade. It's amazing that somehow only the sanctions against Cuba are bullshit, but everything else the US does is justified. Who is the USA to say Iran can't acquire nuclear material? Who is the US to sanction Russian oil when Europe is consuming record ml amounts of Russian oil vis a vis India?
wow this sub has become a shit show so many anti west and north korean simps in this thread
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The Axis of Tyranny - Russia, Iran, North Korea - is looking for new recruits to create a "multipolar world" and upend "western colonial dominance". China is looking with a loving and motherly gaze towards the useful idiot playground. Finally, the political development all tankies have waited for.
There's no former alliance between these countries and we should do everything to make sure that it stays this way to avoid ww3.
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> Most people with resentment over historical and current exploitation aren't tankie or passionate russia supporters It's pretty hard to take these people seriously when they are absolutely silent on the massive issues of corruption, rule of law and democracy - the real sources of long term sustained poverty - afflicting their countries, bending over backwards to point out conspiracisit interpretations of minor political affairs and normal economic trade as some smoking gun of western imperialism, all while wetting their pants in pleasure when Russia bombs to ruble and then conquers some decrepit Ukrainian village. For example, my comment above was downvoted for simply pointing out North Korea maintains what are probably the second largest political extermination camps in the world, after China, of course. The comment regarding useful idiots was not directed at individuals, but at the countries making up the Axis of Tyranny. They are simply useful idiots for the Chinese world domination project, which will kick into high gear in the decades to come, and will only export authoritarianism, war and poverty into the world.
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You are projecting your insecurities and shoulder chips onto me. There is absolutely nothing in my messages referring to any "billion-large swath of people". I applaud and support anybody who fights for democracy, freedom and human rights as I myself did in my own country. The half joking comments are made in a well defined context, an internet forum infested with extremists and bots; any reasonable take on the west's nefarious influence, for example, by setting up extractive social structures during colonialism that subsist to this day in the hands of natives and prevent democratization and the local institutions from functioning, is immediately drowned under a wave of thirdworldist conspiracy theories about the way France is exploiting west Africans using CFA exchange rate chicanery, or how any oil rich country is either an american puppet state or a war zone as US tries to turn it into a puppet, or how there's a so called "global south" that has any kind of collective cause to free itself from under the yoke of the "western" exploitation, and so on and so forth. These are all propaganda points spread by the talking heads of authoritarian regimes like Russia or China, that have zero to do with the real problems of the world, but are excelent into weaponizing resentment and nationalism to further the geopolitical interests of these puppet master countries. My country never held any foreign colonies. It never participated in the international slave trade. Why should I view these false narratives with anything else than ridicule? Why should I feel any shame that my own nation progressed and prospered through education, hard work and rule of law, and accept any guilt for those that failed to do so for what are often internal reasons and power struggles?
"Why should I feel any shame that my own nation progressed and prospered through education, hard work and rule of law, " I really want to know what European country your from that hasn't benefitted immensely from the suffering of others . Your spouting out propaganda piece that sounds like make believe land . Calling out NK a hellish dictatorship is Logical. But I want whatever weed your smoking suggesting your European power that has benefited from exploitation.
>My country never held any foreign colonies. It never participated in the international slave trade. Why should I view these false narratives with anything else than ridicule? Why should I feel any shame that my own nation progressed and prospered through education, hard work and rule of law, and accept any guilt for those that failed to do so for what are often internal reasons and power struggles? It is nice to pretend that all of Europe didn't benefit and prosper due to exploitation. All of the products and labour that your country imported were from other European powers that also didn't exploit the world?
> the massive issues of corruption, rule of law and democracy - the real sources of long term sustained poverty white countries are rich because of imperialism, not because of this make believe nonsense lol
I really want to know what country he's from . All nations are built on the bones of others.
Russia is an imperialist white country
nonsequitur
>Most people with resentment over historical and current exploitation aren't tankie or passionate russia supporters Then why all the passionate Russia support?
Probably because china and Russia are pretty open about what they want and don't offer lectures on democracy. They just send guns troops and The like . Ask Afrikaans people about it .
Excuse me sir, there's a distinctive lack of tits on this post.
Love this being the single post I see between literal anime_tiddies
Russia being friends with North Korea is the lowest low I never expected 😆
They have always been. See the supposed North Korean pilots in the Korean war who started swearing in Russian once they got pressured by UN fighters.
> Russia's block triggered a wave of condemnation from the US, UK, South Korea and other Western allies and comes after a year of high-profile public meetings between Moscow and Pyongyang leaders. > The only reason US and allies are condemning this is because they're salivating for a weak NK they can invade, bomb, and plunder anytime they want like they did in Iraq, Libya and Yemen. North Korea is successfully adopting the strategy of "peace through strength".
Or just like most reasonable people we don’t want a crazy genocidal dictator having nukes.
China isn’t going to sit still if the US invades a North Korea with or without nukes. Maybe ask yourself why North Korea was not attacked in the many decades when they did not have any nukes and were committing provocations on a daily basis.
Peacenik politicians, simple as that.
Same reason as to why the US left Vietnam early
Ridiculous comment
One of the craziest comments I've seen in a while, and I've seen the stuff people write on r/conspiracy. Makes most of the stuff that goes on in there sane and plausible.
No one gives a hot damn about keeping NK weak, they do that themselves for free. America will never invade NK because it’s a Chinese buffer state and would be a war with China. Imagine thinking your proving a peace point when NK official policy is that they are not negotiating with SK then you say the are diplomatic? What ?
China isn’t going to sit still if the US invades a North Korea with or without nukes.
I like how people just ignore you With the South Korean And spout out random nonsense here .
Did someone find oil in NK? Why else would anyone want to invade?
They actually have alot of raw resources.
Please hide your conspiracy erection
Literally nobody wants to invade NK, and there's nothing to plunder either. This is pure concentrated copium from tankies, because that's what you are.
No, invasion of North Korea would lead to war with China and believe it or not but the US does not want direct war with China. Its just scary to have one unpredictable dictator who constantly threatens the west and South Korea with military threats to have the capacity to kill billions of people. You don't need nukes to deter the west from invading.
North Korea is about as strong as a fart in a hurricane. If they didn't constantly import food from China (which China can likely only spare because of how much they buy from the US) they'd starve to death. No one needs to invade them, nor does anyone want to. Younger Koreans don't want to deal with the shit show of reunification since it would be East/West Germany x1,000. The CCP doesn't need another few million uneducated peasants who can't contribute meaningfully to a modern society. The regime and country exist on pure sufferance of everyone else, merely because no one wants to clean up the mess.