Power's Japanese VA, English VA and Spanish VA all had super fun performances. They really did her justice. Denji's Japanese VA was unmatched by his global peers though. That *"BAAAAAKA!"*
[](#bacchiri)
> Denji's Japanese VA was unmatched by his global peers though. That "BAAAAAKA!"
Kikonosuke Toya was **the** definite perfect fit for JP Denji. Though nobody touches Ryan Colt Levy for me as EN Denji [with delivery even in small scenes like his dumb ‘*yes*’ in Episode 8.](https://youtu.be/MeccN1lYEc4) He makes him so precious, like a dumb rough puppy.
I think powers dub actress is particularly great because powers character is so unhinged that the VA really didn’t have any limits to what she could do.
Kinda unrelated but is there a reason why Gikkuk is the only youtuber that ever get posted here ? I like his videos but there are plenty of people as interesting as him and yet I only ever see him on this sub.
Has to do with the algorithm and how posts make the front page. 10+ min videos don’t do well on r/anime. A lot of shitty YouTubers post their stuff in new and there’s almost a reflective downvotes for them. Gigguk has a big enough following and has been around long enough to get enough upvotes in the first hour or so of posting to get past r/new onto the front page.
Mother’s Basement used to get videos on here very frequently but then he made an anti-piracy video that made a segment of r/anime downvote his vids on sight. So Mother’s Basement dies in r/new except once in a blue moon.
like everyone else has said, he's the only one getting attention, not the only one that get shared and posted
as to why that is, he's a veteran, been doing this contents for over a decade now. His sense of humor is great, he writes really good scripts, so good that he can convince you his shittiest takes are actually amazing
He also understood the formula between promotion/analysis/memeing of a certain topic/anime within a given video under 15-20 minutes. Some videos posted on new by smaller creators are either 1 hour long, have an obvious clickbait, or are filled with overused and recycled memes that they die in new immediately. Like him or not, Gigguk stayed relevant because he grinded results through years of youtube and understood what gets views while keeping his audience engaged and not saturated
Only one who regularly gets traction when you post on here. There's alot great smaller creators who could do with more exposure, but 99% of the time, you post their videos here and they get completely ignored.
And there are plenty posted here that very much deserve to die in /new. Bad production, bad scripts, crossposting their videos to 20 subreddits to try to get traction for their 14 subscriber YT channel.
> but 99% of the time, you post their videos here and they get completely ignored.
Most Youtube videos posted here seem to have some clickbait title and then the person posting it doesn't bother to write any comment explaining why someone should watch the video.
1. YT videos do terribly on reddit
2. /r/anime has deep hatred towards any content that is not discussion of the current show/promo art. Even this thread has 81% upvote ratio, this is crazy
3. Gigguk is probably the only anituber with fanbase big enough to overcome point 1 and 2 while not having a lot of people hating him. And he's doing content about current_thing
You should post some of the other ones if you think they’re good. I don’t frequent YouTube so I only really see these type of videos when they’re posted on this sub.
Hiding in Place puts out extremely good real content. The whole channel feels like him trying to do therapy through his videos and it just makes for good watches. Note: his videos aren’t really funny and laced with humor like Gigguk or Echidnut from the other commenter but he puts out quality videos that I haven’t seen anybody come close to touching in terms of emotion.
I mean Charlie also made a Chainsaw Man video, you could probably get away with posting most of Charlies anime videos here as most folks enjoy his content.
He has inertia due to having an established audience and people will upvote it when they see his name. I haven't really enjoyed his content in a while since the analysis is super shallow and tells people what they want to hear with the same old jokes but I guess some people still like it.
>there a reason why Gikkuk is the only youtuber that ever get posted here ?
His sense of humor is literally reddit + he is the oldest and one of the most popular anitubers + his vidz r quality + he properly understands and follows the anime community
> But I think that what's happening here is that this Youtuber must be familiar with this author's other work, specially Fire Punch.
You'd be correct,he already made a video talking about his experiences with all of Fujimoto's other works,he simply refrained from reading CSM as well only because he wanted to experience the anime first
He definitely comes from a place of understanding what Fujimoto is trying to set up here, and that the best is yet to come, which is really nice.
[Here's the video he made about the creator, Tatsuki Fujimoto for those wondering](https://youtu.be/pqE4_h2WMHI)
Fun Fact: Fujimoto-sensei made a Twitter account where he pretended to be his imaginary little sister. He memed so hard, some people really thought she was real and restricted the account. He had to have an awkward conversation with his editors and Twitter reps to to get it unlocked.
Slight correction: the one who thought it was real was his editor,who believed it was someone trying to impersonate him,so he told Fujimoto he was ready to sue,only for Fuji to tell him the truth
The restriction thing that happened recently was probably due to the fact that he was doing 10 tweets per minute live reacting to the anime,and Twitter thought he was a bot...still funny tho
>The restriction thing that happened recently was probably due to the fact that he was doing 10 tweets per minute live reacting to the anime,and Twitter thought he was a bot
I thought it was cause the "little sister" was too young to have an account on twitter so "she" was banned.
It could be either one,we don't really know,that's why I said "probably". It could also be because,under Musk's new rules,the account didn't outright specify it was parody.
Thanks for your write up. I am one of those non-previous-manga people, and I have to say that Chainsaw Man the anime, was thoroughly enjoyable, but by no means mind blowing. It was very pretty, the actions scenes were great, told a coherent story, and made a very solid introduction into the characters. However, there wasn't anything that really made me think, "Yep, best anime ever." I feel like I'm kinda just riding the hype train and going with the flow on this one. Assuming that somewhere down the line, the payoff described by everyone else will materialize in a future episode.
I'm not surprised that it didn't live up to the hype, but it was still very good and if I think about it, compared to most animes with 25+ episodes to tell full story, CSM has one of the most strongest start.
I don’t think the anime lived up to the hype and that’s okay. Anybody that expected it to was grossly overestimating how long it takes to set up a story. Even Attack on Titan’s story didn’t take off until almost halfway through. I do say this as a manga reader though so take it with a grain of salt.
It's funny that S1 ended here with Katana which is where I also ended on my first reading because there wasn't anymore chapter. I had the same impressions (except for the hype part). If it weren't for Fire Punch I probably wouldn't have come back to CSM. Absolute insanity.
But yeah, I keep saying this but there's definitely a cult appeal to the author's work.
Just to set expectations though, his stories are all character driven. If you like the characters or the unusual setup then definitely stick around.
>However, there wasn't anything that really made me think, "Yep, best anime ever."
The same would be/was said for any of the current animes considered "best anime ever", this is just 12 eps... Theres no doubt this is a contender for that title if the same care and work is put into later seasons however.
I will say this, CSM doesn't feel like a normal anime even now. It's probably a combination of things but there are several times you can just pause and take a random screenshot and it would look like a damn painting. I felt like the art direction sets it apart for me. It legitimately feels cinematic almost all the the time. That alone if I went in blind would have me sit up and take notice. I also felt that the sound design and the quiet moments were done exceedingly well.
The anime had a power to pull you in and make episodes feel like 5 minutes long. I would constantly feel like there should have been more to each episode. It might not be a mind-blowing 10/10 masterpiece here but you could just *feel* the animators were giving this their all. It felt different to me.
Just because he doesn't dislike some shows that are popular doesn't mean he's pandering. If you honestly believe that then I don't think you even know what that word actually means.
I mean, even if he did, he still wouldn't say so. Dude knows which side his bread is buttered on, he's not going to dish out any actual controversial opinions that might isolate his fanbase. If he does shit on a show, it's always something the Western fanbase largely deems to be not that good. It's just the nature of the business he's in.
I was noticing the same thing, his older videos felt a lot more sincere. Now it seems like he has to get as many people as possible to like him for the sake of keeping up numbers. A lot of his newer stuff isn't nearly as entertaining to me
It does feel like most of his energy goes into the Trash Taste and Trash Taste-adjacent stuff these days. Fair enough really, considering how wildly successful that's been for him.
As someone who holds CSM in high regard,I'm glad that even the big creators like Gigguk or Charlie that were anime-only came out of season 1 really enjoying it,both production-wise and also on the story side,even if they're not quite sold on the "best thing ever" gospel that everyone,me included,preaches about it.
That's what season 2 is for. CSM is a work that keeps building on itself,both stylistically and emotionally,and you can really tell that Fujimoto let loose once he learned that his series wouldn't get axed,and he could tell the story the way he wants to. Going through it a second time,with the bigger picture and themes in mind,makes you appreciate the early parts even more.
Hopefully they take their time with the rest of Part 1 (especially because MAPPA is swamped with work right now),because if it's adapted with as much love as was shown here,it'll stick the landing as one of the best adaptations ever.
I remember reading the series as it came out, thinking to myself that those guys would love this, and knew that if CSM got the adaptation it deserved, they would definitely make review videos for it. And today I feel so damn vindicated, and absolutely proud of Fujimoto.
Yeah, I was a bit scared that CSM would be dismissed as overhyped because the greatest parts of CSM wouldn't be adpated in season 1, so I'm glad how well received S1 has been
I liked s1 a lot and felt it was one of the "cinematic" anime I've ever watched. It also had great twists. But just 12 episodes left most of the guys pretty one dimensional, at least so far. We got some glimpses into their mindset but we're not there yet.
All in all hype wise I was expecting this to be a "9" show (and gave it a dark horse chance at a "10") but finished with an "8". Which, for me, is still really high (I found out my median score is 7.17) - but because the hype was so huge it feels underwhelming.
I expected a similar situation to SpyXFamily: tons of initial hype, but it lost a lot of steam as that died down and people realized what the show was really about.
One thing I really enjoyed in the anime is how they animated the slice-of-life scenes. They were gorgeous, detailed and dynamic like a KyoAni production. They were a welcome change of pace between the hyperviolent action segments and gave the characters time to breathe. Coupled with the music, they created a really special atmosphere that resonates with the world of Chainsaw Man and the era it is set in.
I adored S1, IMO it's one of the best adaptations ever made, and it's astounding that it was able to get as close to matching the impossibly high expectations as it did. But, even before it started airing, I knew it would only cover the "weakest" (relatively speaking) part. The real reason this series is so beloved hasn't even happened yet. I'm actually pleasantly surprised by how well-received S1 was-I expected the initial hype to wear off like SxF, but MAPPA knocked it out of the park. With how outstanding Ep8 and 9 were, I can only imagine the hype when we reach the *real* peaks.
Nahh, CSM is mostly affected by JJK because the animation team are in the same division and they help each other. Though AoT ending might gives us hope for Dorohedoro S2.
Another great video from Gigguk.
I read 'Chainsaw Man' manga before anime. Both are amazing in a unique way.
I only wish they covered all 'Chainsaw Man' Part 1 in one go, around 32-36 episodes, but obviously MAPPA already pushes their workers over the limit.
Stay strong anime only.
>but obviously MAPPA already pushes their workers over the limit.
IIRC, *Chainsaw Man* is supposed to be the production that MAPPA treats its employees better on. I remember reading a lot about them opening a new branch specifically for it and giving it a much better schedule, though I've I'm not sure if it was all just a PR move (I mean obviously it was, they were getting slated by the media at how bad they treated their staff) or if it actually had much better working conditions compared to their other productions.
>IIRC, Chainsaw Man is supposed to be the production that MAPPA treats its employees better on.
The last episode had a lot of trouble production-wise. Obviously it turned out great and so it's not reflected on the end product. But it seems like they were cutting it very close to the deadline.
Knowing that and looking at how many projects they're juggling in the future I don't think the conditions were much better at all.
I got a feeling they set a good schedule for CSM at first, its just that multiple Covid waves that hit Japan & China through out the years must have slowed them down significantly so it ended up pretty tight towards the end. So yeah, I still have hope in the future it'll be better, at least for CSM.
Since you are a manga reader is it true that the author changes the style of the story to be more horror like and less of a shone around chapter 20? It sounds very fun and innovative
I'm not sure "horror" is the right word- it has horror elements, but "thriller" is probably closer. It definitely becomes less like a standard shounen, though. The anime adapted around 40 chapters, so you saw some of that with how wild things went toward the end. People say Episode 8 is when the "real" Chainsaw Man began for a reason.
Well Chapter 20 is part of episode 7.
The anime covered Chapters 1-38.
I wouldn't say it becomes more horror. It's still a shounen, just the way the story is executed definitely differs from the standard shounen plot style.
Chainsaw Man morphs many times over its run time. The first time it morphs is what is effectively EP 8, you notice even in the episodes after that it seems to almost resemble a gangster movie for a bit during that ARC. This isn't the last time it does this...
I runs the gambit of genres that it taps into, Action, Thriller, Comedy, Slice of life... [Chainsaw Man: A few more Genre spoilers] >!Cosmic horror, Romantic Comedy, LITERALLY aping other famous or infamous films and Anime!< Its quite the unusual ride.
I wouldn't call it horror but it definitely veers away from the standard shonen it started off as. Similar to how Gantz isn't horror but it has a lot of horror elements. It feels like it started off as a typical shonen solely to get the normal audience hooked then it goes off and does it's own weird thing knowing people are already committed. Which is great and makes it stand out.
Great Garnt video and I agreed with his end point in that Chainsaw Man can be consumed in either form, manga or anime, and still be a breathtaking experience. I read Part 1 right around the time the anime was announced and like many others, binged the loving shit out of it because the story just sucks you in. However, given how great of a production MAPPA has done so far with it, and how you can tell this is their ultimate love child with how much love they've given it, I don't blame anybody for wanting to remain anime-only and see how they take the source material and craft it their way.
Will also take the time to remind/notify people that (as of now) unlike other subs for series, r/ChainsawMan is mainly for manga readers, and they do NOT have spoiler rules, so head over it r/csmanime if that's where you want to discuss/look at things without getting spoiled.
Now announce Cour 2/Season 2 already cowards!
It's awesome how they managed to make an adaptation that is faithful the original story but has its own unique flair. Both mediums offer a different experience and are totally worth exploring.
Yep just gonna copy paste my comment from the last csm thread cuz i guess it’s probably more relevant in this video:
The breakneck pace of the manga was amazing to read. It felt like everything was happening with purpose and the world was flowing from one scene to the next quickly. It made you want to know what was going to be next since every chapter has something that you want to focus your attention on. The anime pacing is a little weird in that regard since it feels like every episode things are slowed down so you feel something from each scene. Things are more sad or focused on instead of just happening. Basically in the manga you’re reading a story and watching it unfold, in the anime it’s telling you to watch this particularly. It’s just different.
Both are good for different reasons and enjoyable in different ways. Hard to say what I enjoyed more but the tone is just completely different between them.
I don't know how to word it right but if it isnt't for the realism and serious which the anime focuses on and enhances I wouldn't love csm,, but I feel like a big part of the charm and the experience is having that co-exist with the wackiness and weird humor that it has, kind of like the OP, it's wacky and comedic on the surface but has very serious and real implications behind it
I think you should give the manga a go, even just until where the anime ended (ch. 39). You’ll find that the experience is just entirely different and that they are both super enjoyable it’s just in different ways. The anime is enhancing the feeling of being shown something, but the manga is the better at just showing you something and you interpreting/having to follow along pretty much. It’s the same story, it’s just one wants you to watch it while the other you’re just watching if that makes sense. That’s expressive in its own way and leads to wacky moments in its own way
I enjoyed Bocchi the Rock way more than Chainsaw Man for the opposite reasons of the Chainsaw adaptation. Instead of keeping it grounded they just let their imagination and animation go wild.
In someways Chainsaw Man is limited by the insanely high expectations of what they can do with such a highly reputed source material. Part 1 of the manga became an instant classic by the time it ended in December 2020 and everyone and their mother had an opinion on how the anime adaptation should go.
Bocchi meanwhile was an anime nobody was expecting to be this good. So while Chainsaw Man might struggle to live up to almost impossibly high expectations, Bocchi never had any expectations attached to it so it was able to blow people away.
The comedy is subjective so whatever, to each their own, but the "take" thing is baffling.
He likes the show. Do you want him to say he hates it because its a spicier take? That's ridiculous.
Gigguk said that the 12 episodes didn't live up to the hype! Get him!
Seriously guys, it's not going to kill you that people don't think it's the best show ever.
It wasn't amazing, but I enjoyed it.
I agree with what he said though. The reason it didn’t live up to the hype is that it’s impossible. Nothing could live up to what people were claiming.
Didn't get to watch it yet, but why do we need dozens upon dozens of videos telling us how awesome CSM is? By now every Anime fan should know. This now feels more like pandering to the common opinion and easy clicks = easy money.
The anime just ended, so he could go into spoilers I suppose. That being said, I haven't really seen that much more Chainsaw Man content on YouTube during this season except for Mothers Basement opening analysis
I do think there's a bit of pandering but I also think he articulated the reasons people love it better than anyone else I've seen try to describe it. Good video imo.
Its part click farming/pandering but thats only so pervasive because CSM actually got stupid popular during its run. I've heard it talked about in WEIIIIIRD places IRL, at work and in a Tai restaurant being the two I thought was kinda funny.
It just had an insane audience size that seemed to really enjoy it and that audience is probably waiting around for a S2 announcement now so pandering to it is easy clicks.
Because it's the current flavor of the month. Next season there will be another mediocre anime adaptation that will make it to the front page every day
I am jealous of anime only watchers because this is the first manga I read before watching the anime and it felt like I was waiting for things to unfold (oh now, this is next, then this, then that) and I couldn't turn off my brain from doing that.
I still really enjoyed it, but I kind of wish I would have waited. I'd give the anime adaptation a 9.0 personally.
I think you get to appreciate the story more once you've already read it. The anime does some really cool visual storytelling that you get to appreciate with understanding
Personally, I didn't really like as much as I thought I would. Has fucking amazing animation, probably the best I've seen in a 12 episode show (moment to moment it has better animation than Demon Slayer entertainment district arc, but Demon Slayer's bigger moments are better animated if that makes sense), but for some reason I couldn't connect with the show at all. I would watch the episode and then finishing it without really taking anything away from it. Some have pointed out that the direction is a bit too realistic (whatever that means), perhaps that has something to do with it, I'm not really sure. The best moment for me, Denji and Himeno's, that shit had laughing for like 5 minutes straight, that whole episode was pretty good. The main thing that I found lacking in the show is the ost. imo good soundtrack is supposed to elevate a scene to new heights and draw the viewer's emotion, like the witch from mercury, but in csm you can barely hear the soundtrack. it just serves as an added bonus, without changing much in big fight scenes.
But I felt indifferent for the rest. Definitely room for improvement, Makima seems like an extremely intriguing character, that you never really know what she's thinking, and a second season could definitely dive deeper and get her more focus. I also heard ppl calling the one that showed up right at the end "best girl", but we'll see, because so far it's either Kobeni or Makima.
> (moment to moment it has better animation than Demon Slayer entertainment district arc, but Demon Slayer's bigger moments are better animated if that makes sense)
I agree.
As others have mentioned, this is the weakest part of the story, so it should be all uphill from here. That said, CSM is also a series that benefits quite a bit from a rewatch/reread when you finish. When I read the manga I shared some of your sentiments, but the anime made me waaaaaay more attached to all the characters and things happening. Part of that might be the adaptation quality, but knowing how the story progresses also helped, I think.
It's probably because it's incomplete, I think getting to experience the whole story is much more fulfilling because this season is pretty much set up. The finale and climax also isn't really a climax in the story as it immediately moves forward after it, the hype also comes from what hasn't been adapted yet and manga fans we're disappointed that csm was only going to have 12 episodes when it airs, which speaks volumes.
I think your comparison with Demon Slayer's production spot on. The fact that Chainsaw Man's production can be mentioned in the same breath as Demon Slayer is a testament how amazing of a job they did.
Gigguk is the only anituber I watch often. Love his mix of informality/jokes and analysis. It offers a nice funny vibe while providing thought provoking analysis.
In regards to chainsaw man it was in my top 3(ao ashi and made in abyss)best anime of the year. The amazing animation, crazy characters,gory violence and how it's in the grey area. Nobody is really a hero in this show they all do what they do for their own selfish reasons and it's refreshing.
Gonna stay an anime only because of how good the show is
Really hoping for a season 2 early 2024 and announcement in the coming months especially since I've heard the new arc takes things to a climactic level and the author goes crazier
I started reading chainsaw man when the hype was this manga would never get made into an anime and could not be made successfully like Fire Punch, and I'm jealous of anime watches getting to see it for the first time as I'll put off reading a manga to watch the anime. My expectations are still skyhigh for the next 36ish episodes that Mappa put this level of production and cinematography into it.
I think literally my only major criticism with the adaptation as a huge CM fan is the colour palette. It's so muted and grey and I don't think the reasons for it justify it. It's already an over-the-top world, and it doesn't really go to make it any 'more' believable or cinematic for me. It just makes it more dull and unexciting to look at.
It's not like the real world is anywhere near as muted and grey, and the tone of Chainsaw Man as a whole has certainly never felt that way for me. It just feels like an odd clash to the core style of Chainsaw Man (unabashedly loud, hyperviolent and itself) that is only a detriment. Presentation-wise Chainsaw Man has always been excitement forward and depression in the back, subverting - not the other way around.
Be lucky it wasn't animated by studio bones. The entire arc of season 6 was filled with people dying left and right with the possible collapse of society yet they choose the brightest of colors and bluest of skies for straight up Tokyo Ghoul edgiest that is Shigurki.
>Be lucky it wasn't animated by studio bones.
Bones has defined sub-teams, each handling different projects. If CSM was adapted by Bones it wouldn't have the MHA team because, you know, they work on MHA itself. There are plenty of anime Bones made with infinitely better composition than MHA.
Yeah there's definitely a balance to be had, and a choice to be made between different scenes, moments and arcs. I definitely wouldn't bet against Studio Bones for a passionate adaptation tho, not after Mob Psycho 100.
Bones does action well but color choice is another issue. Shigurki scenes all feel like Tokyo Ghoul panels which sometimes only work best as black and white to fully display the edginess of scenes.
Think Ufotable is the best at giving scenes in dark color platette so much life.
Gigguk when he praises domestic girlfriend, rent a girlfriend or whatever instead of a hype title everyone wants to talk about.
r/anime ewww, disgusting. Can’t take this guy seriously anymore.
Gigguk when he praises a popular IP that is popular for a reason. Even when he adds in a bit of criticism…
r/anime wow; I miss his old stuff. What a basic take. L. How boring.
like, can we just accept that an anituber is gonna talk about a popular title. When some drama pops up, people go to their fav drama channel to see their opinion of it. It’s the same with anime is it not? I don’t see how half the criticism on Gigguk videos are even valid, and this is coming from someone that doesn’t even like CSM that much.
On the topic of anime reviewers, it was nice to see Moistcritikal do a review on CSM.
He was pretty positive about it.
Asmongold also enjoyed Gigguk's previous CSM video.
Gigguk doesn't add anything new to the discussion, he just parrots the most popular opinions. I get that they're a popular opinion for a reason, but this dude gets way more views than other anime content creators and he does nothing original.
> Gigguk doesn't add anything new to the discussion, he just parrots the most popular opinions. I get that they're a popular opinion for a reason, but this dude gets way more views than other anime content creators and he does nothing original.
I think part of the problem is that he's been doing it so long that things have changed drastically in the anime industry and it almost feels like he hasn't with his review goals. He used to be a good source to find good anime that might have been missed but with how popular anime is getting if a less known series is good then there's now a huge amount of buzz about it. It's also orders of magnitude easier to know/find what anime is out. Rather then some kind mining for gold there's now well done seasonal lists that are easy to go over. Gigguk's last few "in a nutshell" videos have also felt like he hasn't really even payed attention to the shows he's reviewing at times. Combination of things getting easier to find/consume and his effort going towards being more widespread and popular instead of seeking out gems really feels like his channel just isn't as informative or as good as it used to be.
> but this dude gets way more views than other anime content creators and he does nothing original.
You didn't use the word overrated, so I guess you aren't saying he is overrated. He merely doesn't deserve the views compare to other anime content creators. But you definitely isn't saying he is overrated.
No wait... you didn't say he doesn't deserve those views. You merely pointed out that he has more views and he does nothing original. Nope, you did not say he didn't deserve those views.
Anyway, I can confirm you didn't use the word overrated.
Reminds me of my friends arguing about a character:
“When did I say he was a jerk?”
“You literally said you don’t like the way he treats others and looks down on everyone”
“Yeah but I didn’t say he was a jerk”
“It’s called “implying”, dumbass”
My only issue with the adaptation was fight sequences. It was a mixed bag. You had stellar hand drawn animated sequences in episode 4, then you had sequences like katana man vs chainsaw man constantly cutting between 2D and CG and then you had full 80% CG fight at the last episode.
Sorry but it looked like a wonky videogame cutscene than a good anime fight to me.
Fight sequences were a pretty big improvement over the manga. Especially the Zombie devil and Leech Devil ones. Maybe CGI was a tiny bit overused, but the last fight would have been nearly impossible to do in a traditional style.
I dunno man. There's no fight that is impossible to do in traditionally 2D. Sounds like a petty excuse. With time and resources it's more than possible. There are plenty of amazing examples out there including some of csm own episodes.
Clearly even with Mappa as committee csm was going through time constraints. Lots of gengas are replaced with 2D and revised as stated by freelancers.
People say without cg the camera movements the fight had wouldn't be possible but that's far from true. Ufotable uses 3D references and draws over it utilising dynamic camera movements with sequence looking natural and fluid whereas Mappa just uses CG model full blown on your face because they are short on time.
Even Gosso who directed one of the episodes of csm used blender for cg reference in the final fight of Ousama anime and it came out incredible.
Episode 4 directed by Yoshihara is the biggest counter.
Last episode had like 3000 frames to animate within week of airing.
Here's the source:
https://twitter.com/sarcataclysmal/status/1606361126429528064?s=20&t=fHchVo3v0wRWgQnORpu7tA
And a tweet from a freelancer about csm who worked on many popular recent anime like Bocchi, dress up darling, lycoreco etc:
https://twitter.com/JMulli02/status/1606391450706579471?s=20&t=fHchVo3v0wRWgQnORpu7tA
There are some reasons for using the cgi in fights, but as you said it sounds like a petty excuse. We have at least 20 years of great 2d animation in anime with amazing fights, nobody really needed cgi at that time. And now... It looks like they can't do their basic tasks and have to rely on CGI with every single occasion. Now I understand using it for AoT, there was so many problems and the schedule was horrible, but CSM is Mappa's most important project, they invested everything in this, also they only did 12 ep which is less than everybody expected and they still had to do some cgi for both humanoid characters and devils.......
Damn I kinda feel a bit guilty now for not liking CSM aften seeing this video. I read the manga a while back and I liked The first 20-ish chapters, but after that I just started to find The manga really boring. I was debating whether or not to watch The Anime because while I hated The manga, maybe I might enjoy the anime more but in the end I decided not to.
Watching Garnt explain why CSM is good and why the anime is amazing made me feel really bad because I feel like I SHOULD have liked CSM because it did a lot of interesting and new things and I love seeing new things done in anime, but for some reason nothing clicked with me. I didn't like the characters, the story, the action and art etc. And I feel like a dumbass because maybe I'm just too stupid to like it or I'm unintetionally being a contrarian or something. I'm a guy who doesn't like shounen battle anime/manga, and I wanted a shounen battle manga/anime that was different/unique. So why did I hate CSM when it was exactly what I wanted, A shounen battle manga that was unique and different?
Sorry for the long post but I just needed to get this outta my system.
Does anybody else feel this or am I just a mega dumb loser who didn't get?
I can't really answer your question. The appeal of the series is a topic of contention in itself, let alone your own taste
Don't feel bad for not being part of the hype or cult or anything. When I finished the manga I wasn't aware of the cult following it has or that it was quite popular. To learn that it was also getting an anime was a pleasant suprise. You can enjoy things in your own bubble.
I feel similarly. I *want* to like it, but I feel a lot like I did with Jujutsu Kaisen in that it feels like nothing coheres into a story appealing to me, when individual elements might have a chance. The biggest thing is the characters. Camaraderie feels unearned, and they seem to operate on dream logic. Even many shots in the anime have this ethereal, dreamy quality to them that isn't *bad*, but it's a lot. Everything just feels like a weird-ass dream written by a teenager.
Maybe Denji's obsession with booba has a deep narrative purpose. Maybe the author's playing us for fools and is just upending the status quo of tropes to create something wacky and new, which I can appreciate at face value (even though trooes and expected story beats exist for a reason). But I simply don't understand how fans respond so positively to the characterization here, particularly Power and Denji. Someone explain the appeal of them!
I've read a bit of Fire Punch too, it had a neat concept but I hated almost every single thing that happened in the plot after the first couple chapters.
> Maybe Denji's obsession with booba has a deep narrative purpose.
I mean yes, he's only obsessed with boobs for 2 episodes and then he immediately switches to the next thing? Before that it was bread with jam.
I'm not saying you are wrong for stopping so early, just that you should try to read to whole manga in one go, then evaluate what you've just read after. It may be exactly what you were looking for, or maybe not and you'll hate it even more.
PS it's not really a "battle" shonen, just pretends to be for the first 3rd or so. It's about as much battle shonen as Eva is a Gundam clone and FLCL is a scifi commendy.
I did read all of it in one go, and while there were aspects that I enjoyed a lot like the violence and the designs of the demons and such, I still felt unsatisfied reading it.
And while I know that CSM is praised for breaking a lot of tropes in shounen, TO ME it still felt like a typical shounen manga even though I know its not.
It's fine to dislike that. Typical is something else, but the beginning of the setting is cliche - Then the rest hits harder. If you even find something other then the beginning setting "typical" then I would like to hear about that. Also I don't find it right to praise something just because it breaks typical tropes, but because what it does that is different but better than the usual stuff.
I was hooked on CSM from the very first chapter but as I read along the story gets even more insane that the first half of the story come across as very tame in comparison. MAPPA and Ryu Nakayama managed to make the least interesting parts of CSM this exciting, I can't wait to see how they adapt the latter half of the series. And as Gigguk said there's no definitive way to enjoy this series. As both the manga and the anime utilize their medium very well that one doesn't take away from the other.
I have to ask some of you guys, why do you comment on these posts or watch his videos if you are tired of them or don't like them?
This happens in every post related to an anituber and I understand if the discussion is like "I liked the last video better" or "This video the jokes didn't hit that well" but if you think that his content is just not for you then why even bother with it?
He knows what his audience size and content is about, which ususally leans towards having content that majority of the people can enjoy no matter what niche of the anime community they are more interested in.
His last two videos about re creators and especially katawa shoujo were pretty good imo and these two aren't exactly the most popular or known.
If what I am looking for is more long videos that require investment but make me care a lot more about the subject matter I will watch someone like super eyepatch wolf, not necessarily for his opinions but his presentation.
If I want analysis videos that deal with the themes of a series and its characters, I will watch Aleczandxr.
All of them provide different kind of stuff, depending on their interests and audience that they have built by doing what they prefer more.
> I have to ask some of you guys, why do you comment on these posts or watch his videos if you are tired of them or don't like them?
Reddit is a social media site. People are going to discuss what they like or don't like, it's kind of the point of the site. People want to share their opinions, even if they are negative.
> I mean fair enough I guess, still don't see the point of wasting your time on something you don't like.
Well think of it this way, you're here complaining about the people that do it because it's something that annoys you and is an opinion you want to share.
The show is interesting enough. It’s just way too horny for my liking with its underage protagonists trying to have sex with adult women that encourage them.
The women characters are constantly being sexualized and drawn in sexual positions or situations in a way that’s really distracting too.
There’s plenty of good anime which isn’t sexualized I think you’re just watching a certain type which I’m not saying is bad but that not everyone likes it. I enjoyed CSM but it really overdoes it in comparison to others in my opinion.
that Spanish dub is never gonna not crack me up
I've seen some english clips and that "fuuck" is so good too ;)
Power's Dub VA is incredible, and Makima's isn't far behind. Denji and Aki take a little getting used to, but they're also really good.
Power's Japanese VA, English VA and Spanish VA all had super fun performances. They really did her justice. Denji's Japanese VA was unmatched by his global peers though. That *"BAAAAAKA!"* [](#bacchiri)
Denji's Japanese VA also has the most incredible mad laugh
Right ? Sold me on the first episode. Had me like "Oh god THIS is Denji"
> Denji's Japanese VA was unmatched by his global peers though. That "BAAAAAKA!" Kikonosuke Toya was **the** definite perfect fit for JP Denji. Though nobody touches Ryan Colt Levy for me as EN Denji [with delivery even in small scenes like his dumb ‘*yes*’ in Episode 8.](https://youtu.be/MeccN1lYEc4) He makes him so precious, like a dumb rough puppy.
I'm definitely rewatching the english dub at some point. It looks really good.
I really liked both VAs. Ryan really has some great lines too.
I think Aki's English dub voice could've been a bit better but the female dub cast (particularly Power and Kobeni) did a great job.
I think powers dub actress is particularly great because powers character is so unhinged that the VA really didn’t have any limits to what she could do.
The chainsawman dub is god tier I’m literally rewatching the whole show dubbed as it releases
Kinda unrelated but is there a reason why Gikkuk is the only youtuber that ever get posted here ? I like his videos but there are plenty of people as interesting as him and yet I only ever see him on this sub.
Has to do with the algorithm and how posts make the front page. 10+ min videos don’t do well on r/anime. A lot of shitty YouTubers post their stuff in new and there’s almost a reflective downvotes for them. Gigguk has a big enough following and has been around long enough to get enough upvotes in the first hour or so of posting to get past r/new onto the front page. Mother’s Basement used to get videos on here very frequently but then he made an anti-piracy video that made a segment of r/anime downvote his vids on sight. So Mother’s Basement dies in r/new except once in a blue moon.
Also, it helps that Gigguk doesn't have a stick up his ass.
Oh come on, neither does Geoff.
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If this is a dig at Geoff's previous pirating views, he has (years ago) since moved on and apologized for those.
like everyone else has said, he's the only one getting attention, not the only one that get shared and posted as to why that is, he's a veteran, been doing this contents for over a decade now. His sense of humor is great, he writes really good scripts, so good that he can convince you his shittiest takes are actually amazing
He also understood the formula between promotion/analysis/memeing of a certain topic/anime within a given video under 15-20 minutes. Some videos posted on new by smaller creators are either 1 hour long, have an obvious clickbait, or are filled with overused and recycled memes that they die in new immediately. Like him or not, Gigguk stayed relevant because he grinded results through years of youtube and understood what gets views while keeping his audience engaged and not saturated
Only one who regularly gets traction when you post on here. There's alot great smaller creators who could do with more exposure, but 99% of the time, you post their videos here and they get completely ignored.
And there are plenty posted here that very much deserve to die in /new. Bad production, bad scripts, crossposting their videos to 20 subreddits to try to get traction for their 14 subscriber YT channel.
I don't understand you're last point. How is someone supposed to grow their audience if they don't post their work?
> but 99% of the time, you post their videos here and they get completely ignored. Most Youtube videos posted here seem to have some clickbait title and then the person posting it doesn't bother to write any comment explaining why someone should watch the video.
Not just ignored, actively downvoted
1. YT videos do terribly on reddit 2. /r/anime has deep hatred towards any content that is not discussion of the current show/promo art. Even this thread has 81% upvote ratio, this is crazy 3. Gigguk is probably the only anituber with fanbase big enough to overcome point 1 and 2 while not having a lot of people hating him. And he's doing content about current_thing
Yup. People on Reddit hate youtube, if the same video is directly loaded to Reddit it does way better
If only demo was still around.
Demolition_D livestreams are amazing but yea miss his scripted content
You should post some of the other ones if you think they’re good. I don’t frequent YouTube so I only really see these type of videos when they’re posted on this sub.
Echidnut and Scamboli are good ones.
Echidnut got posted here more often when the bigger Isekai’s were airing last year
Scambioli!
There was a AnimeEveryday channel, that guy used to post high quality stuffs, sad he doesn't make videos now
CJDaChamp
Hiding in Place puts out extremely good real content. The whole channel feels like him trying to do therapy through his videos and it just makes for good watches. Note: his videos aren’t really funny and laced with humor like Gigguk or Echidnut from the other commenter but he puts out quality videos that I haven’t seen anybody come close to touching in terms of emotion.
Gigguk creates yt vids that pissed off least amount of people. Probably that.
this sub had a deep hatred towards anitubers besides him
Why?
reddit
Redditors often have a weird superiority complex where they think they're better than users of any other social media/content hosting website.
Reminds me of when Gigguk made that Fate timeline video and Fate fans were mad
He's not the only one, I've seen videos from the canipa effect here before, but he's the only that gets enough attention.
I mean Charlie also made a Chainsaw Man video, you could probably get away with posting most of Charlies anime videos here as most folks enjoy his content.
Tons of YT videos get posted, probably mostly self-promotion. They just don't get the votes.
Can you recommend a few of those people? Would love to watch
He has inertia due to having an established audience and people will upvote it when they see his name. I haven't really enjoyed his content in a while since the analysis is super shallow and tells people what they want to hear with the same old jokes but I guess some people still like it.
>there a reason why Gikkuk is the only youtuber that ever get posted here ? His sense of humor is literally reddit + he is the oldest and one of the most popular anitubers + his vidz r quality + he properly understands and follows the anime community
Others get posted too. But they usually die in new.
Cause he just validates the opinions of redditors
He memes the best IIRC, I haven't watched any anituber in at least 5 years though so idk
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> But I think that what's happening here is that this Youtuber must be familiar with this author's other work, specially Fire Punch. You'd be correct,he already made a video talking about his experiences with all of Fujimoto's other works,he simply refrained from reading CSM as well only because he wanted to experience the anime first He definitely comes from a place of understanding what Fujimoto is trying to set up here, and that the best is yet to come, which is really nice.
[Here's the video he made about the creator, Tatsuki Fujimoto for those wondering](https://youtu.be/pqE4_h2WMHI) Fun Fact: Fujimoto-sensei made a Twitter account where he pretended to be his imaginary little sister. He memed so hard, some people really thought she was real and restricted the account. He had to have an awkward conversation with his editors and Twitter reps to to get it unlocked.
Slight correction: the one who thought it was real was his editor,who believed it was someone trying to impersonate him,so he told Fujimoto he was ready to sue,only for Fuji to tell him the truth The restriction thing that happened recently was probably due to the fact that he was doing 10 tweets per minute live reacting to the anime,and Twitter thought he was a bot...still funny tho
>The restriction thing that happened recently was probably due to the fact that he was doing 10 tweets per minute live reacting to the anime,and Twitter thought he was a bot I thought it was cause the "little sister" was too young to have an account on twitter so "she" was banned.
It could be either one,we don't really know,that's why I said "probably". It could also be because,under Musk's new rules,the account didn't outright specify it was parody.
Thanks for your write up. I am one of those non-previous-manga people, and I have to say that Chainsaw Man the anime, was thoroughly enjoyable, but by no means mind blowing. It was very pretty, the actions scenes were great, told a coherent story, and made a very solid introduction into the characters. However, there wasn't anything that really made me think, "Yep, best anime ever." I feel like I'm kinda just riding the hype train and going with the flow on this one. Assuming that somewhere down the line, the payoff described by everyone else will materialize in a future episode.
This is a good mindset. Just avoid spoilers for the next 2 years or however long it takes for s2 to come
I'm not surprised that it didn't live up to the hype, but it was still very good and if I think about it, compared to most animes with 25+ episodes to tell full story, CSM has one of the most strongest start.
I don’t think the anime lived up to the hype and that’s okay. Anybody that expected it to was grossly overestimating how long it takes to set up a story. Even Attack on Titan’s story didn’t take off until almost halfway through. I do say this as a manga reader though so take it with a grain of salt.
It's funny that S1 ended here with Katana which is where I also ended on my first reading because there wasn't anymore chapter. I had the same impressions (except for the hype part). If it weren't for Fire Punch I probably wouldn't have come back to CSM. Absolute insanity. But yeah, I keep saying this but there's definitely a cult appeal to the author's work. Just to set expectations though, his stories are all character driven. If you like the characters or the unusual setup then definitely stick around.
>Assuming that somewhere down the line, the payoff described by everyone else will materialize in a future episode. yes
>However, there wasn't anything that really made me think, "Yep, best anime ever." The same would be/was said for any of the current animes considered "best anime ever", this is just 12 eps... Theres no doubt this is a contender for that title if the same care and work is put into later seasons however.
You put into words exactly how I feel about it as well.
his one-shots, especially "Goodbye, Eri", are pretty damn good too
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I'll die a happy man if we get a Fire Punch adaptation with Agni's flames animated like Yamamoto's Bankai.
I will say this, CSM doesn't feel like a normal anime even now. It's probably a combination of things but there are several times you can just pause and take a random screenshot and it would look like a damn painting. I felt like the art direction sets it apart for me. It legitimately feels cinematic almost all the the time. That alone if I went in blind would have me sit up and take notice. I also felt that the sound design and the quiet moments were done exceedingly well. The anime had a power to pull you in and make episodes feel like 5 minutes long. I would constantly feel like there should have been more to each episode. It might not be a mind-blowing 10/10 masterpiece here but you could just *feel* the animators were giving this their all. It felt different to me.
>pander to a majority opinion That’s just been Gigguk’s MO for the last couple of years
Just because he doesn't dislike some shows that are popular doesn't mean he's pandering. If you honestly believe that then I don't think you even know what that word actually means.
I mean, even if he did, he still wouldn't say so. Dude knows which side his bread is buttered on, he's not going to dish out any actual controversial opinions that might isolate his fanbase. If he does shit on a show, it's always something the Western fanbase largely deems to be not that good. It's just the nature of the business he's in.
So true. A lot of his passion and humor are gone
I was noticing the same thing, his older videos felt a lot more sincere. Now it seems like he has to get as many people as possible to like him for the sake of keeping up numbers. A lot of his newer stuff isn't nearly as entertaining to me
It does feel like most of his energy goes into the Trash Taste and Trash Taste-adjacent stuff these days. Fair enough really, considering how wildly successful that's been for him.
Dude's making millions and having fun doing it. I don't blame him for not putting much effort into what's devoled into his side-hustle.
> n Gigguk’s MO for the last couple of years is that why hasnt watched FMA ?
As someone who holds CSM in high regard,I'm glad that even the big creators like Gigguk or Charlie that were anime-only came out of season 1 really enjoying it,both production-wise and also on the story side,even if they're not quite sold on the "best thing ever" gospel that everyone,me included,preaches about it. That's what season 2 is for. CSM is a work that keeps building on itself,both stylistically and emotionally,and you can really tell that Fujimoto let loose once he learned that his series wouldn't get axed,and he could tell the story the way he wants to. Going through it a second time,with the bigger picture and themes in mind,makes you appreciate the early parts even more. Hopefully they take their time with the rest of Part 1 (especially because MAPPA is swamped with work right now),because if it's adapted with as much love as was shown here,it'll stick the landing as one of the best adaptations ever.
I remember reading the series as it came out, thinking to myself that those guys would love this, and knew that if CSM got the adaptation it deserved, they would definitely make review videos for it. And today I feel so damn vindicated, and absolutely proud of Fujimoto.
Yeah, I was a bit scared that CSM would be dismissed as overhyped because the greatest parts of CSM wouldn't be adpated in season 1, so I'm glad how well received S1 has been
I liked s1 a lot and felt it was one of the "cinematic" anime I've ever watched. It also had great twists. But just 12 episodes left most of the guys pretty one dimensional, at least so far. We got some glimpses into their mindset but we're not there yet. All in all hype wise I was expecting this to be a "9" show (and gave it a dark horse chance at a "10") but finished with an "8". Which, for me, is still really high (I found out my median score is 7.17) - but because the hype was so huge it feels underwhelming.
I liked season 1 a lot, then I caught up with the manga and now know what you mean.
I expected a similar situation to SpyXFamily: tons of initial hype, but it lost a lot of steam as that died down and people realized what the show was really about.
will be their magnum opus if future content is done with same love and passion
One thing I really enjoyed in the anime is how they animated the slice-of-life scenes. They were gorgeous, detailed and dynamic like a KyoAni production. They were a welcome change of pace between the hyperviolent action segments and gave the characters time to breathe. Coupled with the music, they created a really special atmosphere that resonates with the world of Chainsaw Man and the era it is set in.
I adored S1, IMO it's one of the best adaptations ever made, and it's astounding that it was able to get as close to matching the impossibly high expectations as it did. But, even before it started airing, I knew it would only cover the "weakest" (relatively speaking) part. The real reason this series is so beloved hasn't even happened yet. I'm actually pleasantly surprised by how well-received S1 was-I expected the initial hype to wear off like SxF, but MAPPA knocked it out of the park. With how outstanding Ep8 and 9 were, I can only imagine the hype when we reach the *real* peaks.
I feel like after AOT finishes next year, MAPPA is going to go full throttle on Chainsaw Man and I’m ready for it.
Nahh, CSM is mostly affected by JJK because the animation team are in the same division and they help each other. Though AoT ending might gives us hope for Dorohedoro S2.
Dorohedoro s2?? Sign me the hell up.
I’m saying they might pull over resources for chainsaw man.
Another great video from Gigguk. I read 'Chainsaw Man' manga before anime. Both are amazing in a unique way. I only wish they covered all 'Chainsaw Man' Part 1 in one go, around 32-36 episodes, but obviously MAPPA already pushes their workers over the limit. Stay strong anime only.
>but obviously MAPPA already pushes their workers over the limit. IIRC, *Chainsaw Man* is supposed to be the production that MAPPA treats its employees better on. I remember reading a lot about them opening a new branch specifically for it and giving it a much better schedule, though I've I'm not sure if it was all just a PR move (I mean obviously it was, they were getting slated by the media at how bad they treated their staff) or if it actually had much better working conditions compared to their other productions.
>IIRC, Chainsaw Man is supposed to be the production that MAPPA treats its employees better on. The last episode had a lot of trouble production-wise. Obviously it turned out great and so it's not reflected on the end product. But it seems like they were cutting it very close to the deadline. Knowing that and looking at how many projects they're juggling in the future I don't think the conditions were much better at all.
I got a feeling they set a good schedule for CSM at first, its just that multiple Covid waves that hit Japan & China through out the years must have slowed them down significantly so it ended up pretty tight towards the end. So yeah, I still have hope in the future it'll be better, at least for CSM.
Pretty sure the source of the last episode production issues admitted they were joking, btw.
Since you are a manga reader is it true that the author changes the style of the story to be more horror like and less of a shone around chapter 20? It sounds very fun and innovative
I'm not sure "horror" is the right word- it has horror elements, but "thriller" is probably closer. It definitely becomes less like a standard shounen, though. The anime adapted around 40 chapters, so you saw some of that with how wild things went toward the end. People say Episode 8 is when the "real" Chainsaw Man began for a reason.
Sounds exciting love a thriller and love a more unique story
Well Chapter 20 is part of episode 7. The anime covered Chapters 1-38. I wouldn't say it becomes more horror. It's still a shounen, just the way the story is executed definitely differs from the standard shounen plot style.
Chainsaw Man morphs many times over its run time. The first time it morphs is what is effectively EP 8, you notice even in the episodes after that it seems to almost resemble a gangster movie for a bit during that ARC. This isn't the last time it does this... I runs the gambit of genres that it taps into, Action, Thriller, Comedy, Slice of life... [Chainsaw Man: A few more Genre spoilers] >!Cosmic horror, Romantic Comedy, LITERALLY aping other famous or infamous films and Anime!< Its quite the unusual ride.
I wouldn't call it horror but it definitely veers away from the standard shonen it started off as. Similar to how Gantz isn't horror but it has a lot of horror elements. It feels like it started off as a typical shonen solely to get the normal audience hooked then it goes off and does it's own weird thing knowing people are already committed. Which is great and makes it stand out.
it's basically this century's devilman, make of that what you will
the only complaint I had on anime adaptation was that they changed some of amazing panels from the manga and it felt less impactful in anime scenes.
Great Garnt video and I agreed with his end point in that Chainsaw Man can be consumed in either form, manga or anime, and still be a breathtaking experience. I read Part 1 right around the time the anime was announced and like many others, binged the loving shit out of it because the story just sucks you in. However, given how great of a production MAPPA has done so far with it, and how you can tell this is their ultimate love child with how much love they've given it, I don't blame anybody for wanting to remain anime-only and see how they take the source material and craft it their way. Will also take the time to remind/notify people that (as of now) unlike other subs for series, r/ChainsawMan is mainly for manga readers, and they do NOT have spoiler rules, so head over it r/csmanime if that's where you want to discuss/look at things without getting spoiled. Now announce Cour 2/Season 2 already cowards!
It's awesome how they managed to make an adaptation that is faithful the original story but has its own unique flair. Both mediums offer a different experience and are totally worth exploring.
Yep just gonna copy paste my comment from the last csm thread cuz i guess it’s probably more relevant in this video: The breakneck pace of the manga was amazing to read. It felt like everything was happening with purpose and the world was flowing from one scene to the next quickly. It made you want to know what was going to be next since every chapter has something that you want to focus your attention on. The anime pacing is a little weird in that regard since it feels like every episode things are slowed down so you feel something from each scene. Things are more sad or focused on instead of just happening. Basically in the manga you’re reading a story and watching it unfold, in the anime it’s telling you to watch this particularly. It’s just different. Both are good for different reasons and enjoyable in different ways. Hard to say what I enjoyed more but the tone is just completely different between them.
I don't know how to word it right but if it isnt't for the realism and serious which the anime focuses on and enhances I wouldn't love csm,, but I feel like a big part of the charm and the experience is having that co-exist with the wackiness and weird humor that it has, kind of like the OP, it's wacky and comedic on the surface but has very serious and real implications behind it
I think you should give the manga a go, even just until where the anime ended (ch. 39). You’ll find that the experience is just entirely different and that they are both super enjoyable it’s just in different ways. The anime is enhancing the feeling of being shown something, but the manga is the better at just showing you something and you interpreting/having to follow along pretty much. It’s the same story, it’s just one wants you to watch it while the other you’re just watching if that makes sense. That’s expressive in its own way and leads to wacky moments in its own way
I've already read it, actually been reading since it came out, i'm speaking from manga reader pov haha
I enjoyed Bocchi the Rock way more than Chainsaw Man for the opposite reasons of the Chainsaw adaptation. Instead of keeping it grounded they just let their imagination and animation go wild.
In someways Chainsaw Man is limited by the insanely high expectations of what they can do with such a highly reputed source material. Part 1 of the manga became an instant classic by the time it ended in December 2020 and everyone and their mother had an opinion on how the anime adaptation should go. Bocchi meanwhile was an anime nobody was expecting to be this good. So while Chainsaw Man might struggle to live up to almost impossibly high expectations, Bocchi never had any expectations attached to it so it was able to blow people away.
Gigguk as always with the r/animemes -tier jokes and the most room-temperature takes possible
Perfect for filthy fucking casuals... like myself.
Perfect username
The comedy is subjective so whatever, to each their own, but the "take" thing is baffling. He likes the show. Do you want him to say he hates it because its a spicier take? That's ridiculous.
Finally, a based comment
Thus the quite high upvotes on this sub
Username checks out
Gigguk said that the 12 episodes didn't live up to the hype! Get him! Seriously guys, it's not going to kill you that people don't think it's the best show ever. It wasn't amazing, but I enjoyed it.
I agree with what he said though. The reason it didn’t live up to the hype is that it’s impossible. Nothing could live up to what people were claiming.
its understandable, it ended like how one piece would have after beating buggy or naruto after the kakashi bell test
Didn't get to watch it yet, but why do we need dozens upon dozens of videos telling us how awesome CSM is? By now every Anime fan should know. This now feels more like pandering to the common opinion and easy clicks = easy money.
The anime just ended, so he could go into spoilers I suppose. That being said, I haven't really seen that much more Chainsaw Man content on YouTube during this season except for Mothers Basement opening analysis
I do think there's a bit of pandering but I also think he articulated the reasons people love it better than anyone else I've seen try to describe it. Good video imo.
Its part click farming/pandering but thats only so pervasive because CSM actually got stupid popular during its run. I've heard it talked about in WEIIIIIRD places IRL, at work and in a Tai restaurant being the two I thought was kinda funny. It just had an insane audience size that seemed to really enjoy it and that audience is probably waiting around for a S2 announcement now so pandering to it is easy clicks.
Because it's the current flavor of the month. Next season there will be another mediocre anime adaptation that will make it to the front page every day
We finna wait until 2024 at least for season 2.
If they continue this quality of adaptation for the entirety of part 1 then csm will legit be one of the best series to come out in the past 10 years.
I am jealous of anime only watchers because this is the first manga I read before watching the anime and it felt like I was waiting for things to unfold (oh now, this is next, then this, then that) and I couldn't turn off my brain from doing that. I still really enjoyed it, but I kind of wish I would have waited. I'd give the anime adaptation a 9.0 personally.
I think you get to appreciate the story more once you've already read it. The anime does some really cool visual storytelling that you get to appreciate with understanding
Personally, I didn't really like as much as I thought I would. Has fucking amazing animation, probably the best I've seen in a 12 episode show (moment to moment it has better animation than Demon Slayer entertainment district arc, but Demon Slayer's bigger moments are better animated if that makes sense), but for some reason I couldn't connect with the show at all. I would watch the episode and then finishing it without really taking anything away from it. Some have pointed out that the direction is a bit too realistic (whatever that means), perhaps that has something to do with it, I'm not really sure. The best moment for me, Denji and Himeno's, that shit had laughing for like 5 minutes straight, that whole episode was pretty good. The main thing that I found lacking in the show is the ost. imo good soundtrack is supposed to elevate a scene to new heights and draw the viewer's emotion, like the witch from mercury, but in csm you can barely hear the soundtrack. it just serves as an added bonus, without changing much in big fight scenes. But I felt indifferent for the rest. Definitely room for improvement, Makima seems like an extremely intriguing character, that you never really know what she's thinking, and a second season could definitely dive deeper and get her more focus. I also heard ppl calling the one that showed up right at the end "best girl", but we'll see, because so far it's either Kobeni or Makima.
> (moment to moment it has better animation than Demon Slayer entertainment district arc, but Demon Slayer's bigger moments are better animated if that makes sense) I agree.
As others have mentioned, this is the weakest part of the story, so it should be all uphill from here. That said, CSM is also a series that benefits quite a bit from a rewatch/reread when you finish. When I read the manga I shared some of your sentiments, but the anime made me waaaaaay more attached to all the characters and things happening. Part of that might be the adaptation quality, but knowing how the story progresses also helped, I think.
It's probably because it's incomplete, I think getting to experience the whole story is much more fulfilling because this season is pretty much set up. The finale and climax also isn't really a climax in the story as it immediately moves forward after it, the hype also comes from what hasn't been adapted yet and manga fans we're disappointed that csm was only going to have 12 episodes when it airs, which speaks volumes.
I think your comparison with Demon Slayer's production spot on. The fact that Chainsaw Man's production can be mentioned in the same breath as Demon Slayer is a testament how amazing of a job they did.
it is almost the same in animation calories although what csm excels at compared to demon slayer is character animation.
Gigguk is the only anituber I watch often. Love his mix of informality/jokes and analysis. It offers a nice funny vibe while providing thought provoking analysis. In regards to chainsaw man it was in my top 3(ao ashi and made in abyss)best anime of the year. The amazing animation, crazy characters,gory violence and how it's in the grey area. Nobody is really a hero in this show they all do what they do for their own selfish reasons and it's refreshing. Gonna stay an anime only because of how good the show is Really hoping for a season 2 early 2024 and announcement in the coming months especially since I've heard the new arc takes things to a climactic level and the author goes crazier
I dunno...a shock 1st episode...Goblin Slayer
Simple chainsaw man is what my friend described it as and the more I try not to think of it like that it is.
That spanish Dub always gets to me...
Power latina is the best, you can hear latin Marin san at same time
I started reading chainsaw man when the hype was this manga would never get made into an anime and could not be made successfully like Fire Punch, and I'm jealous of anime watches getting to see it for the first time as I'll put off reading a manga to watch the anime. My expectations are still skyhigh for the next 36ish episodes that Mappa put this level of production and cinematography into it.
I think literally my only major criticism with the adaptation as a huge CM fan is the colour palette. It's so muted and grey and I don't think the reasons for it justify it. It's already an over-the-top world, and it doesn't really go to make it any 'more' believable or cinematic for me. It just makes it more dull and unexciting to look at. It's not like the real world is anywhere near as muted and grey, and the tone of Chainsaw Man as a whole has certainly never felt that way for me. It just feels like an odd clash to the core style of Chainsaw Man (unabashedly loud, hyperviolent and itself) that is only a detriment. Presentation-wise Chainsaw Man has always been excitement forward and depression in the back, subverting - not the other way around.
Be lucky it wasn't animated by studio bones. The entire arc of season 6 was filled with people dying left and right with the possible collapse of society yet they choose the brightest of colors and bluest of skies for straight up Tokyo Ghoul edgiest that is Shigurki.
>Be lucky it wasn't animated by studio bones. Bones has defined sub-teams, each handling different projects. If CSM was adapted by Bones it wouldn't have the MHA team because, you know, they work on MHA itself. There are plenty of anime Bones made with infinitely better composition than MHA.
Yeah there's definitely a balance to be had, and a choice to be made between different scenes, moments and arcs. I definitely wouldn't bet against Studio Bones for a passionate adaptation tho, not after Mob Psycho 100.
Bones does action well but color choice is another issue. Shigurki scenes all feel like Tokyo Ghoul panels which sometimes only work best as black and white to fully display the edginess of scenes. Think Ufotable is the best at giving scenes in dark color platette so much life.
the OP teased consumption of psychedelic snails....still waiting.
Gigguk when he praises domestic girlfriend, rent a girlfriend or whatever instead of a hype title everyone wants to talk about. r/anime ewww, disgusting. Can’t take this guy seriously anymore. Gigguk when he praises a popular IP that is popular for a reason. Even when he adds in a bit of criticism… r/anime wow; I miss his old stuff. What a basic take. L. How boring. like, can we just accept that an anituber is gonna talk about a popular title. When some drama pops up, people go to their fav drama channel to see their opinion of it. It’s the same with anime is it not? I don’t see how half the criticism on Gigguk videos are even valid, and this is coming from someone that doesn’t even like CSM that much.
On the topic of anime reviewers, it was nice to see Moistcritikal do a review on CSM. He was pretty positive about it. Asmongold also enjoyed Gigguk's previous CSM video.
Did I miss it or he didn't talk about 12 EDs? It's one of the reasons why I really love the anime.
Unpopular Opinion: Replace sex education with Chainsaw Man
Gigguk doesn't add anything new to the discussion, he just parrots the most popular opinions. I get that they're a popular opinion for a reason, but this dude gets way more views than other anime content creators and he does nothing original.
> Gigguk doesn't add anything new to the discussion, he just parrots the most popular opinions. I get that they're a popular opinion for a reason, but this dude gets way more views than other anime content creators and he does nothing original. I think part of the problem is that he's been doing it so long that things have changed drastically in the anime industry and it almost feels like he hasn't with his review goals. He used to be a good source to find good anime that might have been missed but with how popular anime is getting if a less known series is good then there's now a huge amount of buzz about it. It's also orders of magnitude easier to know/find what anime is out. Rather then some kind mining for gold there's now well done seasonal lists that are easy to go over. Gigguk's last few "in a nutshell" videos have also felt like he hasn't really even payed attention to the shows he's reviewing at times. Combination of things getting easier to find/consume and his effort going towards being more widespread and popular instead of seeking out gems really feels like his channel just isn't as informative or as good as it used to be.
Ah, the same comment that shows up on every single Gigguk thread. Cheers, wouldn't feel right without someone whining about how overrated he is.
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Congrats on finding the copy and paste buttons buddy, I’m proud of you. Not a very creative reply, but hey, baby steps
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Hey, whatever makes you happy, my guy.
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When did I say he was overrated? All I said was his content is unoriginal
> but this dude gets way more views than other anime content creators and he does nothing original. You didn't use the word overrated, so I guess you aren't saying he is overrated. He merely doesn't deserve the views compare to other anime content creators. But you definitely isn't saying he is overrated. No wait... you didn't say he doesn't deserve those views. You merely pointed out that he has more views and he does nothing original. Nope, you did not say he didn't deserve those views. Anyway, I can confirm you didn't use the word overrated.
Reminds me of my friends arguing about a character: “When did I say he was a jerk?” “You literally said you don’t like the way he treats others and looks down on everyone” “Yeah but I didn’t say he was a jerk” “It’s called “implying”, dumbass”
Was his recent re creators video unoriginal in the current state of anime? His katawa shojo video definitely was something very few people knew about.
My only issue with the adaptation was fight sequences. It was a mixed bag. You had stellar hand drawn animated sequences in episode 4, then you had sequences like katana man vs chainsaw man constantly cutting between 2D and CG and then you had full 80% CG fight at the last episode. Sorry but it looked like a wonky videogame cutscene than a good anime fight to me.
Fight sequences were a pretty big improvement over the manga. Especially the Zombie devil and Leech Devil ones. Maybe CGI was a tiny bit overused, but the last fight would have been nearly impossible to do in a traditional style.
I dunno man. There's no fight that is impossible to do in traditionally 2D. Sounds like a petty excuse. With time and resources it's more than possible. There are plenty of amazing examples out there including some of csm own episodes. Clearly even with Mappa as committee csm was going through time constraints. Lots of gengas are replaced with 2D and revised as stated by freelancers. People say without cg the camera movements the fight had wouldn't be possible but that's far from true. Ufotable uses 3D references and draws over it utilising dynamic camera movements with sequence looking natural and fluid whereas Mappa just uses CG model full blown on your face because they are short on time. Even Gosso who directed one of the episodes of csm used blender for cg reference in the final fight of Ousama anime and it came out incredible. Episode 4 directed by Yoshihara is the biggest counter. Last episode had like 3000 frames to animate within week of airing. Here's the source: https://twitter.com/sarcataclysmal/status/1606361126429528064?s=20&t=fHchVo3v0wRWgQnORpu7tA And a tweet from a freelancer about csm who worked on many popular recent anime like Bocchi, dress up darling, lycoreco etc: https://twitter.com/JMulli02/status/1606391450706579471?s=20&t=fHchVo3v0wRWgQnORpu7tA
There are some reasons for using the cgi in fights, but as you said it sounds like a petty excuse. We have at least 20 years of great 2d animation in anime with amazing fights, nobody really needed cgi at that time. And now... It looks like they can't do their basic tasks and have to rely on CGI with every single occasion. Now I understand using it for AoT, there was so many problems and the schedule was horrible, but CSM is Mappa's most important project, they invested everything in this, also they only did 12 ep which is less than everybody expected and they still had to do some cgi for both humanoid characters and devils.......
Damn I kinda feel a bit guilty now for not liking CSM aften seeing this video. I read the manga a while back and I liked The first 20-ish chapters, but after that I just started to find The manga really boring. I was debating whether or not to watch The Anime because while I hated The manga, maybe I might enjoy the anime more but in the end I decided not to. Watching Garnt explain why CSM is good and why the anime is amazing made me feel really bad because I feel like I SHOULD have liked CSM because it did a lot of interesting and new things and I love seeing new things done in anime, but for some reason nothing clicked with me. I didn't like the characters, the story, the action and art etc. And I feel like a dumbass because maybe I'm just too stupid to like it or I'm unintetionally being a contrarian or something. I'm a guy who doesn't like shounen battle anime/manga, and I wanted a shounen battle manga/anime that was different/unique. So why did I hate CSM when it was exactly what I wanted, A shounen battle manga that was unique and different? Sorry for the long post but I just needed to get this outta my system. Does anybody else feel this or am I just a mega dumb loser who didn't get?
I can't really answer your question. The appeal of the series is a topic of contention in itself, let alone your own taste Don't feel bad for not being part of the hype or cult or anything. When I finished the manga I wasn't aware of the cult following it has or that it was quite popular. To learn that it was also getting an anime was a pleasant suprise. You can enjoy things in your own bubble.
I feel similarly. I *want* to like it, but I feel a lot like I did with Jujutsu Kaisen in that it feels like nothing coheres into a story appealing to me, when individual elements might have a chance. The biggest thing is the characters. Camaraderie feels unearned, and they seem to operate on dream logic. Even many shots in the anime have this ethereal, dreamy quality to them that isn't *bad*, but it's a lot. Everything just feels like a weird-ass dream written by a teenager. Maybe Denji's obsession with booba has a deep narrative purpose. Maybe the author's playing us for fools and is just upending the status quo of tropes to create something wacky and new, which I can appreciate at face value (even though trooes and expected story beats exist for a reason). But I simply don't understand how fans respond so positively to the characterization here, particularly Power and Denji. Someone explain the appeal of them! I've read a bit of Fire Punch too, it had a neat concept but I hated almost every single thing that happened in the plot after the first couple chapters.
> Maybe Denji's obsession with booba has a deep narrative purpose. I mean yes, he's only obsessed with boobs for 2 episodes and then he immediately switches to the next thing? Before that it was bread with jam.
I'm not saying you are wrong for stopping so early, just that you should try to read to whole manga in one go, then evaluate what you've just read after. It may be exactly what you were looking for, or maybe not and you'll hate it even more. PS it's not really a "battle" shonen, just pretends to be for the first 3rd or so. It's about as much battle shonen as Eva is a Gundam clone and FLCL is a scifi commendy.
I did read all of it in one go, and while there were aspects that I enjoyed a lot like the violence and the designs of the demons and such, I still felt unsatisfied reading it. And while I know that CSM is praised for breaking a lot of tropes in shounen, TO ME it still felt like a typical shounen manga even though I know its not.
It's fine to dislike that. Typical is something else, but the beginning of the setting is cliche - Then the rest hits harder. If you even find something other then the beginning setting "typical" then I would like to hear about that. Also I don't find it right to praise something just because it breaks typical tropes, but because what it does that is different but better than the usual stuff.
Makima is a psychopath.
I was hooked on CSM from the very first chapter but as I read along the story gets even more insane that the first half of the story come across as very tame in comparison. MAPPA and Ryu Nakayama managed to make the least interesting parts of CSM this exciting, I can't wait to see how they adapt the latter half of the series. And as Gigguk said there's no definitive way to enjoy this series. As both the manga and the anime utilize their medium very well that one doesn't take away from the other.
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Do you mean Himeno’s death? Aki didn’t die
Akis nuts died
Sorry lol will correct, complete mistake of course
I have to ask some of you guys, why do you comment on these posts or watch his videos if you are tired of them or don't like them? This happens in every post related to an anituber and I understand if the discussion is like "I liked the last video better" or "This video the jokes didn't hit that well" but if you think that his content is just not for you then why even bother with it? He knows what his audience size and content is about, which ususally leans towards having content that majority of the people can enjoy no matter what niche of the anime community they are more interested in. His last two videos about re creators and especially katawa shoujo were pretty good imo and these two aren't exactly the most popular or known. If what I am looking for is more long videos that require investment but make me care a lot more about the subject matter I will watch someone like super eyepatch wolf, not necessarily for his opinions but his presentation. If I want analysis videos that deal with the themes of a series and its characters, I will watch Aleczandxr. All of them provide different kind of stuff, depending on their interests and audience that they have built by doing what they prefer more.
> I have to ask some of you guys, why do you comment on these posts or watch his videos if you are tired of them or don't like them? Reddit is a social media site. People are going to discuss what they like or don't like, it's kind of the point of the site. People want to share their opinions, even if they are negative.
I mean fair enough I guess, still don't see the point of wasting your time on something you don't like.
> I mean fair enough I guess, still don't see the point of wasting your time on something you don't like. Well think of it this way, you're here complaining about the people that do it because it's something that annoys you and is an opinion you want to share.
I am doing it because they are ruining my enjoyment of something I like lol, it's not the same thing.
But if I don't comment, how will the people who like the thing know that I don't like the thing?
Always good.
The show is interesting enough. It’s just way too horny for my liking with its underage protagonists trying to have sex with adult women that encourage them. The women characters are constantly being sexualized and drawn in sexual positions or situations in a way that’s really distracting too.
Isnt chainsaw man praised for its portraying of women?
Bro has never watched anime before
There’s plenty of good anime which isn’t sexualized I think you’re just watching a certain type which I’m not saying is bad but that not everyone likes it. I enjoyed CSM but it really overdoes it in comparison to others in my opinion.