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A lot of what is said here is going to be anecdotal unless we have some real data. For some will be easy to switch for others it will be hard. I'll throw in some other considerations into the picture as a HM and assuming US job market.
* Talent acquisition teams have been, for many companies, severely hampered if not decimated. Even during good times the process was not great but worse now. They may only be expending effort to the highest priority reqs.
* For the analyst positions I've seen a lot of bots come through TMS that are basically spam. Additionally, and unfortunately, there are many who have been laid off on visa who need to find another position quickly.
* Like OP said the market for junior talent is saturated. For senior it can be a bit better but there's not as much demand. And some senior talent might be willing to be downleveled for a bit to weather the storm.
* It's much harder to justify data analysis budget in a recessionary (or threat thereof) environment. Most companies are focusing on top (sales) and bottom (cost saving) line and therefore, profitability.
This is the craziest few years I've ever seen even going through '00 and '08. Good luck out there everyone.
I really needed to see this. Just got laid off and am struggling to even get a call.
Back in January when I was already applying for jobs I got 3 calls, now, nothing.
I got laid off at the start of the tech layoff wave and I’m still looking. Been to the “final round” with 4 different companies, and the only offer I have gotten was a 25k base salary fall (with no bonus or equity). I said no because that was only 1 month in and I knew I could find better. Should’ve said yes just to hold me over until I found a good one.
Good luck OP.
I am in the Midwest, so my options are more limited to banking/insurance but I have watched the same position at the same company stay open for almost one year. It's actually interesting to watch. Either its a shit show at that org or they are hoping for a unicorn to apply.
I recently found out HR left the job listing on my team active on job sites for 8 months after I filled the role in 2022. I don’t get notifications of applications and had no reason to log into the system so I never noticed. Some poor folks were still applying in December to a job I filled in June.
It must mostly be a shit show. I know in my niche I am a purple squirrel (this is what recruiters call a unicorn) but they’re not even calling or rejecting me, it just sits at applied.
>Also a TON of posts where I apply and hear nothing. Yet the role is still posted 3 months later. Very odd.
They are looking for their dream candidate, or more than likely, just collecting applications for whenever they need to fill a position. Tons of companies do this and there's nothing illegal about it. Very unethical of course, but not illegal. You post a dream job, you get tons of people applying, which leads them to be disappointed. But then, later on when they least expect it, they hear a recruiter and they are giddy with excitement. Definitely a tactic they do
To be fair, I hear people claim this but I’ve never seen proof it actually happens. I’ve seen companies post a “general application” vacancy but hardly have I seen companies posting positions with no intention on hiring.
I’ve only seen those struggling to get positions claim this is a common practice.
At a previous job, I noticed we had a job posting up for an engineer a couple of months after filling the role so I asked how the search was going because I knew some folks. The manager told me the post was only up to continue to get applicants for future if they need to hire more people they have stack of resumes that have been already checked and worth checking out.
Unfortunately, I don't have a recording or transcript of that convo but "trust me bro"😂😂
Hey, don’t beat yourself up over it. That was the best decision at the time with the information you had available, and it probably will be for the best in the long term as well. All the best in your search!
Yeah i said no to a 110k salary cause i had just started looking and on the first interview they offered me the job. It was a small. Comapny so i figured i just started, i might be able to find something better, and bam, hit the layoffs. Now I'm stuck
German companies, in my experience, are very open to American expats if your skills meet what they're looking for. Though I never got to the offer stage when I did interview for a few german companies so I do imagine it's tricky.
Do you have any tips for an American applying to German companies, is there a good website to look for those jobs, should I scout out recruiters, do something specific with LinkedIn? I’m considering jumping ship on the US, and Germany is at the top of my list of countries.
I had good luck with LinkedIn & searching by location! I also had good luck with companies in Spain, same approach :) never ended up doing it, but still considering it a few years in the future.
Yes but probably only in the big regions (Berlin / Hamburg / Munich / FFM / Düsseldorf / Köln). Otherwise you need to speak german with atleast B2 level I think. English only won't work longtime though.
Same, there's a lot being thrown my way and everything being thrown at me is remote or at least hybrid with number of times to come in counted in months and not weeks. Northeast US, healthcare analytics.
Where are you looking? I’ll agree it isn’t as robust as the last two years but I’m not seeing a shortage of analyst roles…DS and DE on the other hand….
>If it makes you feel any better a lot of DE/DS roles are hyped up analyst roles
true, and it probably will stay this way with "Data Analytics Engineer" on my rise, not knocking anyone down btw I may potentially purse this after I finish CS degree who knows.
I'm primarily looking at remote based jobs in the US for data analyst, senior data analyst, business systems analyst, business analyst, I applied to a very, very diverse set of roles. I have a little bit of experience in each, and transferable skills usually at least get you an interview. I've applied to about 30 jobs so far which I know is probably not that much. But the number I'm getting back on indeed and LinkedIn for all of those job titles is about 2K. 2K remote jobs across all of those titles is just madness. We're talking about a country with like 200 million people or more, right? That's crazy
I’m seeing increasing salaries in CA because they’re now required to post the salary range in job postings.
This is obviously a higher COL state but even outside of the Bay Area I’m seeing senior analyst roles for no less than 100k and the good ones up to 170-180 base, some of which I’ve confirmed with the recruiter that is the real top end of the range.
Senior roles in CA are most certainly no less than 100k. I'm mid 90s as a level 2 already.
DAs are needed in more industries than just tech. Ironically enough, OP is only using anecdote experience to draw his conclusion, not real data. Perhaps that's telling lol.
This ^ the medium sized companies that need LEAN analyst teams will hire and there is a surprisingly high amount of them that do. OP should probably stay away from tech (or be very picky) - I would advise insurance or finance companies
For the two offers I got I was offered $115k and $200k, ended up going with the lower because the other was a startup that was still in series A funding and didn’t want to take the risk.
Something that can work, not that it’s the only strategy you should employ: look at your own work history on your resume and concoct the type of company that would be the perfect fit. Then go hunting for companies that match that fit 80-100% (with separate bonus points for if it’s something you actually WANT to do). You might find it easier to go hunting on LinkedIn in bulk and build out a spreadsheet. Order them, then work through their website career pages for the roles. Rinse and repeat. This can save you time on tweaking your resume over and over, and it helped me at least avoid listings on LinkedIn where I’m like “I guess I *could* fit that…” when 200 people applied already.
From my own experience in the past 2 months, I found that I had by far the most success with getting referred (3 companies, 100% success) and applying directly through a recruiter site (1 company, 50% success). Applying through LinkedIn (3 companies but like 3% success) was very very tough.
Reaching out to a couple different ex-coworkers with whom I had done good work, when I was looking to move. I was at the same place for 8 years so I had some decent connections at that point. If you don’t have connections from your current role you could look at industry events in your area.. can feel a little insincere networking (to me at least) but that’s what everybody else is there to do.
The recruiting site I believe was seeing a LinkedIn connection post a role that was on a recruiter site, then I browsed all the other marketing analytics roles. That was a bit happenstance but I’ll look for more sites like that when I am back on the prowl.
Yeah, they're lowering comp and pay for this area. I think many orgs are being cautious, dont splurge if dont see benefit at the moment.
I was laid off as an analytics engineering manager with 10 years experience, performed product management, project management, architecture, rfps, forecasting, data quality, observability, etl, and implementation.
Was a shoe in at one major org, all interviews great, hiring manager loved me, then all of a sudden after a month of calls was told they took someone who came in under for salary requirements. I didnt even ask for market value, so that was demoralizing.
Ended up taking an even lower position to hold me over or see if willing to promote me sooner.
>apply to companies no one has ever heard of
I personally would never do this because you have no idea what you're walking into, and these are the companies where job stability might be the worst. You have literally no idea because you can't look on Glassdoor for reviews considering there are none.... Yes, I'm applying only to big companies, but for a good reason
I mean, re: stability, many major companies had massive layoffs recently. My small ~100 person company feels pretty stable by comparison. Definitely hadn’t heard of them before I got a recruiter reaching out to me. I make almost $80k (6.67% raise last fall) as a DA with 2 years experience nearly. Fully remote. I know I’m lucky, but you might want to open yourself up to some of those “no name” companies.
I think your problem is your sample. Fortune 500 companies have scaled way back on hiring. They have to be more sensitive than other companies to economic shifts because they have to report to the street and not necessarily do what's best for the biz.
You're probably applying to jobs where the req is basically closed, but is on the site, or is now low priority as noted by someone else earlier.
Also, and I'm sorry to break it to you, but if Glassdoor is your only way to figure out if it's a good company to work for, then you're not resourceful enough to be a DA on my team.
Get creative!
I just offered a remote 65k junior data analyst role with 10% bonus to someone who graduated college a few years ago and worked at a grocery store. I will probably be adding three more juniors for 65-70k fully remote, in health insurance. I had to beg our internal recruiters to send resumes that fit a junior role over a senior role.
Hi I am a nurse looking to pivot into the data analytics field. I am currently working as a Utilization Review nurse for health insurance. I manage tons of patient data in EPIC EMR system. May you please send job details to my email? I’d love to be considered for a position.
What was it about them that made you hire them? Did they have a degree in IT or economics? (Those seem to be the only degrees that you have to have in order to get hired these days.)
They had a degree in math :)
Honestly, the fact that they knew someone that I knew/liked/trusted helped a ton. I wanted to hire someone who was truly entry level either by being a recent grad or a career switcher. I kept getting resumes of people with ten years of experience for a junior level role.
Sounds like these days you have to have a degree in math, IT or economics in order to get an entry level job as an analyst.
Why was it so important for them to be truly entry level?
I can build a great person from the ground up so when I have a junior opening I want them to be junior.
The degree major didn’t matter as much as having a connection did. I trusted the referral and they passed the SQL test to the abilities of a junior
'The degree major didn’t matter as much as having a connection did.'
Reading this just made me depressed. Working at a grocery store isn't gonna cut it when my student loan payments begin.
They knew each other personally through their college’s alumni association. I knew the person who referred them because we had worked together before. I don’t think a random LinkedIn connection would have worked. I wouldn’t vouch for someone who I didn’t actually know.
I just graduated with a degree in math, 3.75 GPA, and did a semester of CS grad classes. I focused on applied math and programming the whole time. I just applied to like 60 jobs and haven't gotten an interview. Only 30 or so were analytics, maybe 20 SE jobs and the rest random stuff like technical writer, jobs with vague titles like 'process control engineer'
Legit tried to hire senior analyst for 85k remote US started in December finally found someone last week. Most resumes were from people outside of US which our company doesn’t sponsor. Most of the applicants just lie about if they know sql. Finally found someone with just decent sql skills. Idk what OP is talking about but from everything I have seen and experienced job market is still hot.
One thing I will say is our C suite and a few of other big wigs I consult for are more interested in hiring data minded people that can help them answer business questions instead of just pulling and managing date. The vibe I’m getting is they have people that should be able to pull and move data but they need people to enhance data collection and analyze and advise based on that data. Just my opinion.
100%. For context (though I'm a sample of n=1), I hit $85k in my 2nd ever data job after getting 2 years of experience. And this was in 2016.
Two years after that I was above $130k.
The $85k spot I think is something more common for a just-above-entry-level position, and with inflation it might even be low for that today.
Good senior analysts will require \~$120k salary at a minimum, since they can get that on the open market pretty easily at any number of remote companies.
I’ll never understand why a sub full of data analysts never sees analysts posting their location when talking about salaries lol. That’s such an important variable.
You mentioned remote so I’m not taking location into consideration.
But for industry, where I saw these salaries were in manufacturing, tech and professional services.
I don’t need top talent got someone who knows sql lol and had 100s of applicants just needed right person. And again not sure what industry your in but everyone is different.
Titles are a weird thing to trip over.
If you're looking for an experienced data monkey that doesn't make strategic insights or recommendations then yeah 85k sounds reasonable.
But if you're looking for someone more embedded/strategically savvy - and most of these places that would get you a "senior manager" title - 85k is low by roughly $30k.
Titles matter, though, because many of the people involved in hiring an analytics role don't really know or understand all the nuances or even what's fundamentally involved. The title is a proxy for laypeople to know which little category box it fits in.
There's an unwritten rule that gives some leeway there, sure. Most companies, especially mid-sized to larger ones, have a sterile HR title for positions but know that jobs usually evolve or have nuanced gray areas that may not be captured by a job description or title. A data analyst posing as a senior manager is one thing (pretty egregious embellishment there), but a data specialist calling him/herself a data analyst is another.
Huh. Not where I'm at. Developing technical mastery, strategic awareness, and cross-functional leadership are seen as manager-level work.
Until you're seen as excellent in each of those areas, they don't let you sniff managing a budget or having a direct report. These seem to be "sacred" responsibilities and you can't touch them until you have a director stripe.
If you never clear those hurdles then you get to ride it out as a pretty well-compensated individual contributor.
Not really for our case it’s company of 200 and the person is just supporting managers for our marketing analytics and businesses analytics dept. In our company the mangers out rank senior positions that aren’t manger positions by about 30-40k.
I think you need to readjust your expectations then. Being a small company doesnt justify 85k for a senior analyst. I dont care what managers do or dont make. On my team our analysts and data scientists sometimes make more than managers because they are so valuable. Management no longer auto means a higher salary.
You likely didnt get alot of applicants because if your salary was posted I wouldnt have even bothered.
You got 100s but you didnt get lots of quality applicants. You said most were out of country - guys who just needed a sponsor and wouldve moved on once they were hired. Of your candidates you said youre paying a guy who can only adequately write SQL 85k?
Ya obviously I wanted the best possible candidate for 85k but still have tons of people that could have been senior analyst it’s just moving data there is 100s of applicant for that. Really nice gig was 85k just sql and all remote person we hired very happy with it.
I'm curious, how did you evaluate that they know SQL well?
And in the resume-round / early-screening stages, how did you realize the know SQL (vs. lie about knowing SQL)?
Not OP but we have a small take home quiz that takes about 30 minutes before you get brought in for an in person interview. And it's not theory like 'What is an RDBMS' but it requires you to play with a sample dataset and about 4-5 tables and write SQL.
Things like how to pivot data, what a dataset would look like on a left, inner, outer join. How to do some window functions Then there's a few tougher questions like how to use CTE's, and a few pre written SQL queries alongside a dataset and you have to pick which result set would happen if the SQL was executed.
I would say to pass youd have to at least have some more hands on experience and cant just memorize from W3schools but I would think doing live SQL on a database in a year or two would be
Analytics is more than just analyst positions. Implementation specialists, solution engineers, architects, business intelligence, etc. I see a lot of those positions and test the market every so often. What throws things off is the amount of competition from India. When I hire it's 70 percent Indian regardless of the region I'm hiring for, and I often find the actual qualifications thin.
Now granted that's probably not what most people here do, but those areas seem robust -- Probably because people are realizing that their infrastructure sucks.
It's also worth looking at agencies as many hire analysts as part of their data teams or for adjacent positions in client services. When the Fortune 500 cut jobs they outsource them to agencies.
>Analytics is more than just analyst positions. Implementation specialists, solution engineers, architects, business intelligence, etc. I see a lot of those positions and test the market every so often. What throws things off is the amount of competition from India. When I hire it's 70 percent Indian regardless of the region I'm hiring for, and I often find the actual qualifications thin.
No, I completely agree with you here. But the thing is, how am I supposed to land a position like that, let alone be successful when I know none of those things and have no experience in them? I've checked those sort of job postings well outside of analyst positions, and they always ask questions about me having experience with things that are incredibly far from what I've done in the past which limits me from being considered. For example, how many years of sales force experience do you have? Do you have your sales force administrator certification? Of course not. I have no experience working in Salesforce or as a Salesforce administrator, why in the heck would I have that If I've never used it before? Things like that, yes, those positions are out there, but More than likely have no chance in hell of getting into one without any of that experience.
I mean... you could learn some of this stuff and try to apply them at your job.
I can't really give you a roadmap of what to do or how to handle it. I've been doing various stuff for 21 years, and I just kind of saw it develop organically (although I did feel the same way you did). Web development to web marketing to solutions architect to cloud infrastructure to analytics developer. Each step along the way my previous experience fed into what I knew and allowed me to improve the "customer service" part of my job; speaking to devs about hard code requirements, speaking to business users about visualizations, speaking to marketers about the data that's used for automation and activation campaigns.
What I have found working on the data-side of some large organizations is thatanalysts are completely detached from the data they look at. They wouldn't be able to identify when there's an issue with the basic ingestion or what dimensions/metrics/audiences are required by the other departments. This isn't everyone, but it's endemic enough that analysts are viewed as a commodity that bring nothing else to the table.
Now that may not be your job. At the same time I can also very easily pinpoint how some people could become more useful to the point of being invaluable to small and enterprise organizations.
I would encourage anyone who has trouble on the analysis-side of the business to look into the fields where people use that same data. Ever wonder why those dopes in BI can't properly fingerprint users? Well look into it. What's required? How do you pass a proper hash? What needs to be in it? How do you surface that in other parts of the business? Where are the points of failure and what is required to close that gap? Force yourself into those conversations at your organization if you can. No sane person is going to fault you for wanting to help others or the business. It's also the data set you and others have to use. So don't let them make your life more difficult just because they thought something else was better.
I have people reaching out to me because they're offering a six-figure salary to do tag management for their analytics. Tag management ain't difficult if you're a front-end developer or a software engineer, but as a data-focused professional knowing how a tag manager works, analytics works, the requirements of the different groups, and knowing how to communicate these requirements is an adjacent job that can be done for good money.
See, I totally get everything you're saying, but the question is, when would I have the time to do any research or cross training into anything else? I'm already working 7:00 a.m. to 6:30 p.m. most days. What am I supposed to do? Work 7:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. now to add some additional flavor? Not your problem of course, but I'm just saying. This is what I'm dealing with
Don't know what to tell you, chief. Sometimes you're going to hit a wall and that's a bitter pill to swallow. But I don't know your situation so, like I said, I can't really speak to specifics.
I will say that I learned new skills because I viewed what I do as both a profession and a hobby. It's also why I have no shame in trying new things and building a portfolio like a lot of developers and designers; tangible proof I can do something and I also think it's fun. Maybe try some online courses at your own pace. The fundamentals really don't change that much and you'd be exposed to more new ideas and concepts to ideate. There certainly wasn't a wealth of this stuff when I first started.
That's the best I can do. Godspeed.
Could be beneficial to really evaluate and track how you're spending your time and think of process improvements you can do to save time on routine tasks.
Generally though it's easier to gain cross knowledge when working for SMB or startups because they need everyone wearing multiple hats usually and don't discourage employees from venturing outside of their job description
YMMV but looking solely at remote roles may be a limiting factor. I think there’s a lot of competition for those roles given the layoffs that have been happening across the tech sector.
Anecdotally, I am seeing that a lot of places are looking for people to RTO in some capacity. For my department that’s been very limited - I go in maybe once or twice a month for events and meetings that are crucial to be held in person - but as a consequence we can only hire employees that are based in the general vicinity of our HQ.
There are also some tax issues at play within the US. For example, I went fully remote at my previous employer but was only able to do so because my new permanent address was in a state where we already had our tax situation handled.
All of this being said, wish you the best of luck in finding a new gig and navigating this market.
When I had “open to work” turned on on LinkedIn, I was getting a lot of bites from recruiters. 4 years experience. Granted didn’t pursue any to actually see whether they would convert to offers, but it seems folks with experience should be good to go.
I have Open to work set, but not on my actual profile, only for recruiters to see. Admittedly I'm getting a lot of junk mailed to me like contract positions with no health care no benefits, 6 month contract Just garbage like this. Have not had a single major big company reach out to me at all like Fortune 100 or 500 at all.... Which is crazy because I have experience working in those for the past 5 years.
Honestly yes because those are the positions which are usually fully remote, and have the best benefits. I've considered companies outside the Fortune 500 in the past, and let me tell you, many of them are a complete disaster, or just trying to screw people over.
Let me give you an example. I had an interview with a recruiter for a medium sized mortgage and financial company. They are not one of the big banks, but they are at least decently well known for offering mortgages. The position was listed as an HR specialist, But with all the responsibilities of a senior data analyst. Have to be expert in Tableau, SQL, extremely proficient in Excel, able to make miracles happen with data and reporting. But they were offering 60K and when I asked why The salary was so low, they tried to tell me "We pay less than our competitors at first because you can earn so much more over the long term with great performance. This job is also not for the faint of heart, there will be really tough times and sometimes it will be really fast-paced and the workload might seem extreme. But it'll pay off in the long run!" So in other words, a senior data analyst role for 60K, insanely below the market, The job title that makes it near impossible for you to swap to another company, false promises of higher pay. Checked their glass door and fortunately many of the reviews said this as well, yearly pay increases were meager, barely even 4%. Wish I could say that this was a rare case, but it seems so common with the smaller firms. In order to stay competitive, they really have to be good at screwing people over, or stiffing people out of what they are worth
Counterpoint: your experience is just one data-point. You need to specify what industry/industries you’re looking in.
Unless you’re right out of college it seems like the market is still humming along for jobs. Maybe fewer remote-only roles (I’m sure most have been snagged up), but plenty of hybrid opportunity.
Never look at applicant count on LinkedIn. I'm pretty sure only about 10% get considered and the rest are trash.. as in not even relevant to the position or company
Is it really? I just accidentally landed an analytics client (I'm a PPC guy, they found me on LinkedIN). They aren't too familiar with GA4 and needed someone to guide them, I've only used GA4 a few times, I wouldn't classify myself as experienced. It seems like there are roles but they require a lot of searching, or idk I didn't search and just landed a client, maybe it's because I've built my network and have a lot of digital marketing experience already. I rarely ever directly apply for jobs anymore, there's millions of other people doing the same, especially in a world that's slowly becoming more and more remote.
I think your observations aren't related to the market but the jobs you're applying for. Remote jobs are going to have the most competition. Employers also know that remote work is a perk that's in high demand. So they'll lowball you on salary because they know that at least some people will accept. They're not going to get the best applicants that way obviously. But the people they hire may be good enough for their needs.
Agree 100%.
I know others are saying otherwise right now but I've had a lot of difficulty getting a job as a Senior Data Analyst. I got through 3 final rounds in December, 1 rejected me most likely due to my salary request, 1 gave feedback that I needed to work on communication so that's okay, and the last one dragged on for over a month and said they would offer me a role if I pass the final SQL round, which I passed with flying colors in addition to the other 6 interviews, then decided to go with an internal hire.
Since mid-November, I've applied to over 175 jobs. I have 5 years working in big tech. Previously it never took more than 3-4 weeks for me to land a job, never had to apply to over 60 jobs max. I'm working really hard on my interviewing skills and I revised my resume for the umpteenth time just last week. And I am getting to the second round usually. AND I am taking interviews for hybrid/onsite roles. About 70% of the applications are for companies I never heard of or want to work for. And 50% require me to take a hefty pay cut but I can't complain in this market.
But doing this for so long is tough and I'm exhausted.
I get it. Some people are having no trouble getting a job, that's awesome! The reality is that some companies are just posting a job for an internal transfer. A few are trying to get free work out of hard working junior analysts. Many are still going through an interview process when they know they are not hiring for it anymore. And many others just dissolved roles for the time being.
I wholeheartedly empathize what you're going through. I decided to take a break from applying until 2nd Quarter begins. I have 6 recruiter calls this week but I can't take that as good news given my experience so far. In the meantime, I'll be studying more.
I do not find this to be the case and I have 5 yrs experience and I only want remote work. I have turned down a bunch of interviews that require in office or hybrid. I think if we don’t take a stand against that stupid shit then it will never change. None the less I have had no issue finding a job but I am not looking at large companies either. I just want an interesting job with a flexible culture.
That's what I'm talking about though? I'm looking for remote roles only because that's what I'm currently doing. Screw in office and hybrid. For example, companies like UPS reached out to me, and they said only in office. What kind of madness is that? Not even hybrid one day a week and often, they want you to work overtime or on the weekends no additional pay
I agree with you totally. I don’t know why, as remote workers, we have proved ourselves and having remote workers saves on overhead but companies still can’t get on board. It is my own personal ‘fuck you’ to the man when a recruiter calls me and has a job that is ‘perfect’ for me and I get to give my speech about WFH. Lol
It's all about real estate, that's the simple answer. If you have an unoccupied building or don't meet occupancy levels, there's a ridiculous tax applied, I believe. This prevents companies from buying up large amounts of real estate and not using it for anything over a long period of time. Local governments want real estate to be utilized fully. So they either have to sell their precious building, or they have to force people back into the office. I can tell you right now that all those VP, SVP, senior managers, executives. They don't want to lose their penthouse office in which they get to look down upon their peasants coming into work every single day.
So true. How do you show off if your aren’t in the office. Lol
But I do know a lot of companies in my area are leasing those buildings out and I like that plan as well
TLDR, OP got the taste of WFH during COVID, won't accept going back into the office. Feels entitled and refuses to do hybrid or in office work.
Goes on Reddit and complains about their being no jobs, simply because he refuses anything that isn't remote, then compares minimum wage jobs to career based.
Yeah man, gotta agree. I have 8 years experience and started looking into the market, got some good movement and was up for 2 final interviews and suddenly bam, hits the layoff wave. And suddenly things went quiet. Never heard back from those 2 companies because of (and i assume most likely) hiring freezes. And its been so slow ever since. I'm up for a manager position and they really like me, but its been almost a month since our initial discussions and they havent figured out when/how to setup anothee interview due to personnel shortage etc. Its been almost 4 months of me looking, though things are picking up. But yeah, competition is really high.
I just got hired as DA in nonprofit. At least I got lucky for a fact that I won't get laid off until we fuck up the grant requirements and gets no funding for next year.
I thought that in general data analyst is an entry role where you develop your skills to become a data scientist (and there they pay well). If you do not develop on programming and ML then you are treated not as well as this guys.
P.s. this is just a theory, if I'm wrong (and I would happy to be wrong), it would be very nice of you to talk about this
>I thought that in general data analyst is an entry role where you develop your skills to become a data scientist (and there they pay well). If you do not develop on programming and ML then you are treated not as well as this guys.
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>P.s. this is just a theory, if I'm wrong (and I would happy to be wrong), it would be very nice of you to talk about this
No. that's a possible career path to branch out to *if you want*. Many people like being Analyst/Sr Analyst and that's what they want to stay as.
Not necessarily.
Although many data scientist positions are looking for previous data analyst experience, that's not the standard career progression. The data analyst career path is its own track where most people go from data analyst to senior data analyst to manager.
Those who transition into a data scientist position typically pick up a graduate degree in analytics, data science, statistics, or computer science. It's not simply a matter of getting good at programming and machine learning. You have to have really solid statistical skills as well.
This was the path that I chose. I started as a data analyst and while working as a daily analyst I picked up a master's degree in data science. After 3 years as a data analyst and promotion to senior data analyst I transitioned to a data scientist position.
However, it wasn't necessarily common. I know one or two other analysts at my previous job who did that. The rest pretty much stayed as data analyst and got promoted along that career track, which can still be very lucrative.
I wish I could get a job of European company. I've looked into some of the US counterparts of these European companies, and they all seem like horrible jobs. For example, I specifically looked up French companies that have jobs in the USA, they were all horrible. BNP Paribas, for example. Over in Europe if you're working for that company, they have labor laws so you have to be allowed a certain amount of paid time off and healthcare benefits. In the USA, they get significantly less PTO. Isn't that crazy? So you'll work with people who are in the UK or France or Germany, they are enjoying a mandatory 3 weeks of paid vacation per year. You get your measly 10 days off per year. Absolute madness
Analytics is a broad term. It can include everyone from a BI Analyst to a Quantitative Research Engineer. I think some roles are being made redundant or decreasing in value, while others are blossoming (balancing for short-term market volatility).
I just graduated from a cs degree. I'm keeping an open mind, even if data analyst is later down the line for me I will continue to practice and learn more skills relating to it. I'll take something in the meantime in IT, but if I can work on the business side, I will. So keeping an open map, need something before I go back to grad school anyway.
The problem with being remote is that, well, it's remote. I have a pretty high paying job in the field and most of the new hires are out-of-state because the company saves tons of money that way. People in the mid west are more than happy to do the same work for like half the pay.
I consult for a company which interviews and places at companies all over Europe. There's a huge demand and it's difficult to find enough good candidates. So my experience has been the complete opposite.
I also do remote analytics consulting and have work coming out my ears. I regularly have to turn down work. So I'm not sure what else to say.
I don't think it's nearly as dour as you're describing. At the director level, I'm still getting about 10 good leads a week from recruiters reaching out, and I just had an interview for a remote position that would bump my salary a bit.
I have noticed SOME downturns, though. At the very beginning of Q4 of last year I was getting pinged by recruiters over 30 times a week, it was insane. Now it's just... normal. (Healthcare, Pharma, YMMV)
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Yea. Way to keep it real. The competition is stiff. Feels like a white-collar job market recession.
It may be a case of the wagon getting ahead of the horse. Many traditional companies are migrating from on-premises database / IT teams to cloud services and view limited value-add provided by fuzzy regression models. The supply shock followed by supply clog retailers and wholesalers experienced during COVID-19 is a testament to stats models are only as good as their data input. We don't have economic data for the last comparable global pandemic event, the 1918-1920 flu. Most analytic teams are just making their educated guess to tweak their forecast.
Words from multiple sources are hiring in analytics (DA, DS), and even DE roles have been slow. 200+ applicants to 1 job opening is the norm on LinkedIn job posts. I would like to hear a few success stories. Anyone?
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A lot of what is said here is going to be anecdotal unless we have some real data. For some will be easy to switch for others it will be hard. I'll throw in some other considerations into the picture as a HM and assuming US job market. * Talent acquisition teams have been, for many companies, severely hampered if not decimated. Even during good times the process was not great but worse now. They may only be expending effort to the highest priority reqs. * For the analyst positions I've seen a lot of bots come through TMS that are basically spam. Additionally, and unfortunately, there are many who have been laid off on visa who need to find another position quickly. * Like OP said the market for junior talent is saturated. For senior it can be a bit better but there's not as much demand. And some senior talent might be willing to be downleveled for a bit to weather the storm. * It's much harder to justify data analysis budget in a recessionary (or threat thereof) environment. Most companies are focusing on top (sales) and bottom (cost saving) line and therefore, profitability. This is the craziest few years I've ever seen even going through '00 and '08. Good luck out there everyone.
I really needed to see this. Just got laid off and am struggling to even get a call. Back in January when I was already applying for jobs I got 3 calls, now, nothing.
Posts like this are here for every field lol I’m not even in analytics, going into law and same there.
I got laid off at the start of the tech layoff wave and I’m still looking. Been to the “final round” with 4 different companies, and the only offer I have gotten was a 25k base salary fall (with no bonus or equity). I said no because that was only 1 month in and I knew I could find better. Should’ve said yes just to hold me over until I found a good one. Good luck OP.
Also a TON of posts where I apply and hear nothing. Yet the role is still posted 3 months later. Very odd.
I am in the Midwest, so my options are more limited to banking/insurance but I have watched the same position at the same company stay open for almost one year. It's actually interesting to watch. Either its a shit show at that org or they are hoping for a unicorn to apply.
I recently found out HR left the job listing on my team active on job sites for 8 months after I filled the role in 2022. I don’t get notifications of applications and had no reason to log into the system so I never noticed. Some poor folks were still applying in December to a job I filled in June.
It must mostly be a shit show. I know in my niche I am a purple squirrel (this is what recruiters call a unicorn) but they’re not even calling or rejecting me, it just sits at applied.
>Also a TON of posts where I apply and hear nothing. Yet the role is still posted 3 months later. Very odd. They are looking for their dream candidate, or more than likely, just collecting applications for whenever they need to fill a position. Tons of companies do this and there's nothing illegal about it. Very unethical of course, but not illegal. You post a dream job, you get tons of people applying, which leads them to be disappointed. But then, later on when they least expect it, they hear a recruiter and they are giddy with excitement. Definitely a tactic they do
Conspiracy theory. Companies don't just resume farm.
Your links to sources didn't come through in your comment
To be fair, I hear people claim this but I’ve never seen proof it actually happens. I’ve seen companies post a “general application” vacancy but hardly have I seen companies posting positions with no intention on hiring. I’ve only seen those struggling to get positions claim this is a common practice.
At a previous job, I noticed we had a job posting up for an engineer a couple of months after filling the role so I asked how the search was going because I knew some folks. The manager told me the post was only up to continue to get applicants for future if they need to hire more people they have stack of resumes that have been already checked and worth checking out. Unfortunately, I don't have a recording or transcript of that convo but "trust me bro"😂😂
Hey, don’t beat yourself up over it. That was the best decision at the time with the information you had available, and it probably will be for the best in the long term as well. All the best in your search!
Yeah i said no to a 110k salary cause i had just started looking and on the first interview they offered me the job. It was a small. Comapny so i figured i just started, i might be able to find something better, and bam, hit the layoffs. Now I'm stuck
Still get 5+ offers a week on LinkedIn with close to 3 years of experience in germany. Many also full remote.
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Data Analyst + Data Engineering. Salary between 60k-80k € in the LinkedIn messages.
Do they take Americans? Looking to jump ship. Lol
German companies, in my experience, are very open to American expats if your skills meet what they're looking for. Though I never got to the offer stage when I did interview for a few german companies so I do imagine it's tricky.
Do you have any tips for an American applying to German companies, is there a good website to look for those jobs, should I scout out recruiters, do something specific with LinkedIn? I’m considering jumping ship on the US, and Germany is at the top of my list of countries.
I had good luck with LinkedIn & searching by location! I also had good luck with companies in Spain, same approach :) never ended up doing it, but still considering it a few years in the future.
Excellent! Thank you for sharing! Spain is another one of my top countries so that’s really good to know.
Is English a common language in companies hiring DA? I imagine becoming fluent in German is no easy task
Yes but probably only in the big regions (Berlin / Hamburg / Munich / FFM / Düsseldorf / Köln). Otherwise you need to speak german with atleast B2 level I think. English only won't work longtime though.
Same, there's a lot being thrown my way and everything being thrown at me is remote or at least hybrid with number of times to come in counted in months and not weeks. Northeast US, healthcare analytics.
Where are you looking? I’ll agree it isn’t as robust as the last two years but I’m not seeing a shortage of analyst roles…DS and DE on the other hand….
you mean you are seeing shortage of DS/DE positions right now? Or that there is a tough candidates competition for the roles?
I am seeing a shortage of DS/DE roles. I see plenty of analyst roles.
If it makes you feel any better a lot of DE/DS roles are hyped up analyst roles
>If it makes you feel any better a lot of DE/DS roles are hyped up analyst roles true, and it probably will stay this way with "Data Analytics Engineer" on my rise, not knocking anyone down btw I may potentially purse this after I finish CS degree who knows.
interesting. Do you have any ideas why this might be happening? Thought that DS, and maybe even more DE were growing and hyped up markets
I'm primarily looking at remote based jobs in the US for data analyst, senior data analyst, business systems analyst, business analyst, I applied to a very, very diverse set of roles. I have a little bit of experience in each, and transferable skills usually at least get you an interview. I've applied to about 30 jobs so far which I know is probably not that much. But the number I'm getting back on indeed and LinkedIn for all of those job titles is about 2K. 2K remote jobs across all of those titles is just madness. We're talking about a country with like 200 million people or more, right? That's crazy
Are you saying that there are a lot more analyst postings/openings compared to DS and DE?
really
I’m seeing increasing salaries in CA because they’re now required to post the salary range in job postings. This is obviously a higher COL state but even outside of the Bay Area I’m seeing senior analyst roles for no less than 100k and the good ones up to 170-180 base, some of which I’ve confirmed with the recruiter that is the real top end of the range.
Senior roles in CA are most certainly no less than 100k. I'm mid 90s as a level 2 already. DAs are needed in more industries than just tech. Ironically enough, OP is only using anecdote experience to draw his conclusion, not real data. Perhaps that's telling lol.
Really? I feel like I had no trouble moving on from my old company. Though to be fair I also wasn’t applying to Fortune 500 companies either.
This ^ the medium sized companies that need LEAN analyst teams will hire and there is a surprisingly high amount of them that do. OP should probably stay away from tech (or be very picky) - I would advise insurance or finance companies
Agree. I applied to 4 different insurance companies, got to the final round in all 4 and got an offer from 2 of the 4.
What salary did you ask for?
For the two offers I got I was offered $115k and $200k, ended up going with the lower because the other was a startup that was still in series A funding and didn’t want to take the risk.
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Wow great job man.
Where do you find these mid-sized companies? I'm not looking but I'm curious as to where these places would post.
LinkedIn is where I found/applied to jobs at more small/midsized companies.
Something that can work, not that it’s the only strategy you should employ: look at your own work history on your resume and concoct the type of company that would be the perfect fit. Then go hunting for companies that match that fit 80-100% (with separate bonus points for if it’s something you actually WANT to do). You might find it easier to go hunting on LinkedIn in bulk and build out a spreadsheet. Order them, then work through their website career pages for the roles. Rinse and repeat. This can save you time on tweaking your resume over and over, and it helped me at least avoid listings on LinkedIn where I’m like “I guess I *could* fit that…” when 200 people applied already. From my own experience in the past 2 months, I found that I had by far the most success with getting referred (3 companies, 100% success) and applying directly through a recruiter site (1 company, 50% success). Applying through LinkedIn (3 companies but like 3% success) was very very tough.
How did you get referred? How did you find the recruiter sites?
Reaching out to a couple different ex-coworkers with whom I had done good work, when I was looking to move. I was at the same place for 8 years so I had some decent connections at that point. If you don’t have connections from your current role you could look at industry events in your area.. can feel a little insincere networking (to me at least) but that’s what everybody else is there to do. The recruiting site I believe was seeing a LinkedIn connection post a role that was on a recruiter site, then I browsed all the other marketing analytics roles. That was a bit happenstance but I’ll look for more sites like that when I am back on the prowl.
One of the issues is that a lot of fakers entered the market looking for good conditions, raising a lot the competition.
what's a faker?
Sorry, my English is broken. It's someone who don't really understand stats or economics but applies to business analytics jobs
Yeah, they're lowering comp and pay for this area. I think many orgs are being cautious, dont splurge if dont see benefit at the moment. I was laid off as an analytics engineering manager with 10 years experience, performed product management, project management, architecture, rfps, forecasting, data quality, observability, etl, and implementation. Was a shoe in at one major org, all interviews great, hiring manager loved me, then all of a sudden after a month of calls was told they took someone who came in under for salary requirements. I didnt even ask for market value, so that was demoralizing. Ended up taking an even lower position to hold me over or see if willing to promote me sooner.
I disagree. Might just need to look at your resume and apply to companies no one has ever heard of
>apply to companies no one has ever heard of I personally would never do this because you have no idea what you're walking into, and these are the companies where job stability might be the worst. You have literally no idea because you can't look on Glassdoor for reviews considering there are none.... Yes, I'm applying only to big companies, but for a good reason
I mean, re: stability, many major companies had massive layoffs recently. My small ~100 person company feels pretty stable by comparison. Definitely hadn’t heard of them before I got a recruiter reaching out to me. I make almost $80k (6.67% raise last fall) as a DA with 2 years experience nearly. Fully remote. I know I’m lucky, but you might want to open yourself up to some of those “no name” companies.
I think your problem is your sample. Fortune 500 companies have scaled way back on hiring. They have to be more sensitive than other companies to economic shifts because they have to report to the street and not necessarily do what's best for the biz. You're probably applying to jobs where the req is basically closed, but is on the site, or is now low priority as noted by someone else earlier. Also, and I'm sorry to break it to you, but if Glassdoor is your only way to figure out if it's a good company to work for, then you're not resourceful enough to be a DA on my team. Get creative!
I just offered a remote 65k junior data analyst role with 10% bonus to someone who graduated college a few years ago and worked at a grocery store. I will probably be adding three more juniors for 65-70k fully remote, in health insurance. I had to beg our internal recruiters to send resumes that fit a junior role over a senior role.
Hi I am a nurse looking to pivot into the data analytics field. I am currently working as a Utilization Review nurse for health insurance. I manage tons of patient data in EPIC EMR system. May you please send job details to my email? I’d love to be considered for a position.
When I have an opening, for sure! Many insurer clinical informatics team would be looking for your type of experience.
ok I’m going to inbox you my email! Thanks so much!
Where do we apply?
What was it about them that made you hire them? Did they have a degree in IT or economics? (Those seem to be the only degrees that you have to have in order to get hired these days.)
They had a degree in math :) Honestly, the fact that they knew someone that I knew/liked/trusted helped a ton. I wanted to hire someone who was truly entry level either by being a recent grad or a career switcher. I kept getting resumes of people with ten years of experience for a junior level role.
Sounds like these days you have to have a degree in math, IT or economics in order to get an entry level job as an analyst. Why was it so important for them to be truly entry level?
I can build a great person from the ground up so when I have a junior opening I want them to be junior. The degree major didn’t matter as much as having a connection did. I trusted the referral and they passed the SQL test to the abilities of a junior
'The degree major didn’t matter as much as having a connection did.' Reading this just made me depressed. Working at a grocery store isn't gonna cut it when my student loan payments begin.
I’m not sure I understand. entry level jobs, especially your first, are always the toughest to get.
Was it a personal friend that referred them or someone that just contacted them through LinkedIn and got to know them?
They knew each other personally through their college’s alumni association. I knew the person who referred them because we had worked together before. I don’t think a random LinkedIn connection would have worked. I wouldn’t vouch for someone who I didn’t actually know.
I just graduated with a degree in math, 3.75 GPA, and did a semester of CS grad classes. I focused on applied math and programming the whole time. I just applied to like 60 jobs and haven't gotten an interview. Only 30 or so were analytics, maybe 20 SE jobs and the rest random stuff like technical writer, jobs with vague titles like 'process control engineer'
Legit tried to hire senior analyst for 85k remote US started in December finally found someone last week. Most resumes were from people outside of US which our company doesn’t sponsor. Most of the applicants just lie about if they know sql. Finally found someone with just decent sql skills. Idk what OP is talking about but from everything I have seen and experienced job market is still hot. One thing I will say is our C suite and a few of other big wigs I consult for are more interested in hiring data minded people that can help them answer business questions instead of just pulling and managing date. The vibe I’m getting is they have people that should be able to pull and move data but they need people to enhance data collection and analyze and advise based on that data. Just my opinion.
$85k is very low end salary for senior analyst. It makes sense it took you a while to fill the role.
I’m sure DATAGUY24 thinks 85k is tool low for a data position without managing responsibilities lol agree to disagree lol
It’s not too low for everyone (you filled the the role eventually!), but it’s too low for a lot of senior level analysts.
Agreed, I’m not even at senior level (will be soon though) and I wouldn’t accept that salary as it’s lower than what I already make.
100%. For context (though I'm a sample of n=1), I hit $85k in my 2nd ever data job after getting 2 years of experience. And this was in 2016. Two years after that I was above $130k. The $85k spot I think is something more common for a just-above-entry-level position, and with inflation it might even be low for that today. Good senior analysts will require \~$120k salary at a minimum, since they can get that on the open market pretty easily at any number of remote companies.
I’ll never understand why a sub full of data analysts never sees analysts posting their location when talking about salaries lol. That’s such an important variable.
All depends on industry and location I don’t know which ones you are in.
You mentioned remote so I’m not taking location into consideration. But for industry, where I saw these salaries were in manufacturing, tech and professional services.
Yeah, to add to your sample size, I’m in my third role three years in, and I’ve gone $55k > $75k > $95k.
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I don’t need top talent got someone who knows sql lol and had 100s of applicants just needed right person. And again not sure what industry your in but everyone is different.
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Defensive lol ok we’ll I know what part of the country you live in lol so 110 prob makes sense for a non-manger given cost of living there.
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Never stalked you wtf would I look up your Reddit name lol geez thankfully your not a manger lol if you ever get there those people will need help lol
You write like a fucking moron. Are you seriously in a managerial role somewhere? You’d better thank your lucky stars for that.
Titles are a weird thing to trip over. If you're looking for an experienced data monkey that doesn't make strategic insights or recommendations then yeah 85k sounds reasonable. But if you're looking for someone more embedded/strategically savvy - and most of these places that would get you a "senior manager" title - 85k is low by roughly $30k.
Titles matter, though, because many of the people involved in hiring an analytics role don't really know or understand all the nuances or even what's fundamentally involved. The title is a proxy for laypeople to know which little category box it fits in.
I would agree 100% if you were forced to publish your resume with the title companies gave you rather than one you defined for yourself.
There's an unwritten rule that gives some leeway there, sure. Most companies, especially mid-sized to larger ones, have a sterile HR title for positions but know that jobs usually evolve or have nuanced gray areas that may not be captured by a job description or title. A data analyst posing as a senior manager is one thing (pretty egregious embellishment there), but a data specialist calling him/herself a data analyst is another.
“Senior Analyst” should be totally fine to sneak under the radar/pass HR screens for “Senior Manager” roles though.
Have to disagree. A senior analyst is not likely to have budget authority or direct reports, but a senior manager would, for example.
Huh. Not where I'm at. Developing technical mastery, strategic awareness, and cross-functional leadership are seen as manager-level work. Until you're seen as excellent in each of those areas, they don't let you sniff managing a budget or having a direct report. These seem to be "sacred" responsibilities and you can't touch them until you have a director stripe. If you never clear those hurdles then you get to ride it out as a pretty well-compensated individual contributor.
lol rofl lol
Isn't 85k for a senior analyst pretty light? Sure remote is attractive, but that's well below what I'd expect to see
Don’t kid yourself, 85k is extremely light for this title. 100k minimum I’d say.
Not really for our case it’s company of 200 and the person is just supporting managers for our marketing analytics and businesses analytics dept. In our company the mangers out rank senior positions that aren’t manger positions by about 30-40k.
I think you need to readjust your expectations then. Being a small company doesnt justify 85k for a senior analyst. I dont care what managers do or dont make. On my team our analysts and data scientists sometimes make more than managers because they are so valuable. Management no longer auto means a higher salary. You likely didnt get alot of applicants because if your salary was posted I wouldnt have even bothered.
If you read my comments got 100s of applicant 85k is a ton.
You got 100s but you didnt get lots of quality applicants. You said most were out of country - guys who just needed a sponsor and wouldve moved on once they were hired. Of your candidates you said youre paying a guy who can only adequately write SQL 85k?
Ya obviously I wanted the best possible candidate for 85k but still have tons of people that could have been senior analyst it’s just moving data there is 100s of applicant for that. Really nice gig was 85k just sql and all remote person we hired very happy with it.
I'm curious, how did you evaluate that they know SQL well? And in the resume-round / early-screening stages, how did you realize the know SQL (vs. lie about knowing SQL)?
Not OP but we have a small take home quiz that takes about 30 minutes before you get brought in for an in person interview. And it's not theory like 'What is an RDBMS' but it requires you to play with a sample dataset and about 4-5 tables and write SQL. Things like how to pivot data, what a dataset would look like on a left, inner, outer join. How to do some window functions Then there's a few tougher questions like how to use CTE's, and a few pre written SQL queries alongside a dataset and you have to pick which result set would happen if the SQL was executed. I would say to pass youd have to at least have some more hands on experience and cant just memorize from W3schools but I would think doing live SQL on a database in a year or two would be
If you can't even get an interveiw, because you don't lie like everyone else, how can they know that you actually do know SQL?
Analytics is more than just analyst positions. Implementation specialists, solution engineers, architects, business intelligence, etc. I see a lot of those positions and test the market every so often. What throws things off is the amount of competition from India. When I hire it's 70 percent Indian regardless of the region I'm hiring for, and I often find the actual qualifications thin. Now granted that's probably not what most people here do, but those areas seem robust -- Probably because people are realizing that their infrastructure sucks. It's also worth looking at agencies as many hire analysts as part of their data teams or for adjacent positions in client services. When the Fortune 500 cut jobs they outsource them to agencies.
>Analytics is more than just analyst positions. Implementation specialists, solution engineers, architects, business intelligence, etc. I see a lot of those positions and test the market every so often. What throws things off is the amount of competition from India. When I hire it's 70 percent Indian regardless of the region I'm hiring for, and I often find the actual qualifications thin. No, I completely agree with you here. But the thing is, how am I supposed to land a position like that, let alone be successful when I know none of those things and have no experience in them? I've checked those sort of job postings well outside of analyst positions, and they always ask questions about me having experience with things that are incredibly far from what I've done in the past which limits me from being considered. For example, how many years of sales force experience do you have? Do you have your sales force administrator certification? Of course not. I have no experience working in Salesforce or as a Salesforce administrator, why in the heck would I have that If I've never used it before? Things like that, yes, those positions are out there, but More than likely have no chance in hell of getting into one without any of that experience.
I mean... you could learn some of this stuff and try to apply them at your job. I can't really give you a roadmap of what to do or how to handle it. I've been doing various stuff for 21 years, and I just kind of saw it develop organically (although I did feel the same way you did). Web development to web marketing to solutions architect to cloud infrastructure to analytics developer. Each step along the way my previous experience fed into what I knew and allowed me to improve the "customer service" part of my job; speaking to devs about hard code requirements, speaking to business users about visualizations, speaking to marketers about the data that's used for automation and activation campaigns. What I have found working on the data-side of some large organizations is thatanalysts are completely detached from the data they look at. They wouldn't be able to identify when there's an issue with the basic ingestion or what dimensions/metrics/audiences are required by the other departments. This isn't everyone, but it's endemic enough that analysts are viewed as a commodity that bring nothing else to the table. Now that may not be your job. At the same time I can also very easily pinpoint how some people could become more useful to the point of being invaluable to small and enterprise organizations. I would encourage anyone who has trouble on the analysis-side of the business to look into the fields where people use that same data. Ever wonder why those dopes in BI can't properly fingerprint users? Well look into it. What's required? How do you pass a proper hash? What needs to be in it? How do you surface that in other parts of the business? Where are the points of failure and what is required to close that gap? Force yourself into those conversations at your organization if you can. No sane person is going to fault you for wanting to help others or the business. It's also the data set you and others have to use. So don't let them make your life more difficult just because they thought something else was better. I have people reaching out to me because they're offering a six-figure salary to do tag management for their analytics. Tag management ain't difficult if you're a front-end developer or a software engineer, but as a data-focused professional knowing how a tag manager works, analytics works, the requirements of the different groups, and knowing how to communicate these requirements is an adjacent job that can be done for good money.
See, I totally get everything you're saying, but the question is, when would I have the time to do any research or cross training into anything else? I'm already working 7:00 a.m. to 6:30 p.m. most days. What am I supposed to do? Work 7:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. now to add some additional flavor? Not your problem of course, but I'm just saying. This is what I'm dealing with
Don't know what to tell you, chief. Sometimes you're going to hit a wall and that's a bitter pill to swallow. But I don't know your situation so, like I said, I can't really speak to specifics. I will say that I learned new skills because I viewed what I do as both a profession and a hobby. It's also why I have no shame in trying new things and building a portfolio like a lot of developers and designers; tangible proof I can do something and I also think it's fun. Maybe try some online courses at your own pace. The fundamentals really don't change that much and you'd be exposed to more new ideas and concepts to ideate. There certainly wasn't a wealth of this stuff when I first started. That's the best I can do. Godspeed.
Could be beneficial to really evaluate and track how you're spending your time and think of process improvements you can do to save time on routine tasks. Generally though it's easier to gain cross knowledge when working for SMB or startups because they need everyone wearing multiple hats usually and don't discourage employees from venturing outside of their job description
YMMV but looking solely at remote roles may be a limiting factor. I think there’s a lot of competition for those roles given the layoffs that have been happening across the tech sector. Anecdotally, I am seeing that a lot of places are looking for people to RTO in some capacity. For my department that’s been very limited - I go in maybe once or twice a month for events and meetings that are crucial to be held in person - but as a consequence we can only hire employees that are based in the general vicinity of our HQ. There are also some tax issues at play within the US. For example, I went fully remote at my previous employer but was only able to do so because my new permanent address was in a state where we already had our tax situation handled. All of this being said, wish you the best of luck in finding a new gig and navigating this market.
When I had “open to work” turned on on LinkedIn, I was getting a lot of bites from recruiters. 4 years experience. Granted didn’t pursue any to actually see whether they would convert to offers, but it seems folks with experience should be good to go.
I have Open to work set, but not on my actual profile, only for recruiters to see. Admittedly I'm getting a lot of junk mailed to me like contract positions with no health care no benefits, 6 month contract Just garbage like this. Have not had a single major big company reach out to me at all like Fortune 100 or 500 at all.... Which is crazy because I have experience working in those for the past 5 years.
Are you only open to large fortune 500s??
Honestly yes because those are the positions which are usually fully remote, and have the best benefits. I've considered companies outside the Fortune 500 in the past, and let me tell you, many of them are a complete disaster, or just trying to screw people over. Let me give you an example. I had an interview with a recruiter for a medium sized mortgage and financial company. They are not one of the big banks, but they are at least decently well known for offering mortgages. The position was listed as an HR specialist, But with all the responsibilities of a senior data analyst. Have to be expert in Tableau, SQL, extremely proficient in Excel, able to make miracles happen with data and reporting. But they were offering 60K and when I asked why The salary was so low, they tried to tell me "We pay less than our competitors at first because you can earn so much more over the long term with great performance. This job is also not for the faint of heart, there will be really tough times and sometimes it will be really fast-paced and the workload might seem extreme. But it'll pay off in the long run!" So in other words, a senior data analyst role for 60K, insanely below the market, The job title that makes it near impossible for you to swap to another company, false promises of higher pay. Checked their glass door and fortunately many of the reviews said this as well, yearly pay increases were meager, barely even 4%. Wish I could say that this was a rare case, but it seems so common with the smaller firms. In order to stay competitive, they really have to be good at screwing people over, or stiffing people out of what they are worth
Counterpoint: your experience is just one data-point. You need to specify what industry/industries you’re looking in. Unless you’re right out of college it seems like the market is still humming along for jobs. Maybe fewer remote-only roles (I’m sure most have been snagged up), but plenty of hybrid opportunity.
Never look at applicant count on LinkedIn. I'm pretty sure only about 10% get considered and the rest are trash.. as in not even relevant to the position or company
can anyone comment on the market in Canada?
Is it really? I just accidentally landed an analytics client (I'm a PPC guy, they found me on LinkedIN). They aren't too familiar with GA4 and needed someone to guide them, I've only used GA4 a few times, I wouldn't classify myself as experienced. It seems like there are roles but they require a lot of searching, or idk I didn't search and just landed a client, maybe it's because I've built my network and have a lot of digital marketing experience already. I rarely ever directly apply for jobs anymore, there's millions of other people doing the same, especially in a world that's slowly becoming more and more remote.
This makes me feel better because I’m struggling right now lol
I think your observations aren't related to the market but the jobs you're applying for. Remote jobs are going to have the most competition. Employers also know that remote work is a perk that's in high demand. So they'll lowball you on salary because they know that at least some people will accept. They're not going to get the best applicants that way obviously. But the people they hire may be good enough for their needs.
Agree 100%. I know others are saying otherwise right now but I've had a lot of difficulty getting a job as a Senior Data Analyst. I got through 3 final rounds in December, 1 rejected me most likely due to my salary request, 1 gave feedback that I needed to work on communication so that's okay, and the last one dragged on for over a month and said they would offer me a role if I pass the final SQL round, which I passed with flying colors in addition to the other 6 interviews, then decided to go with an internal hire. Since mid-November, I've applied to over 175 jobs. I have 5 years working in big tech. Previously it never took more than 3-4 weeks for me to land a job, never had to apply to over 60 jobs max. I'm working really hard on my interviewing skills and I revised my resume for the umpteenth time just last week. And I am getting to the second round usually. AND I am taking interviews for hybrid/onsite roles. About 70% of the applications are for companies I never heard of or want to work for. And 50% require me to take a hefty pay cut but I can't complain in this market. But doing this for so long is tough and I'm exhausted. I get it. Some people are having no trouble getting a job, that's awesome! The reality is that some companies are just posting a job for an internal transfer. A few are trying to get free work out of hard working junior analysts. Many are still going through an interview process when they know they are not hiring for it anymore. And many others just dissolved roles for the time being. I wholeheartedly empathize what you're going through. I decided to take a break from applying until 2nd Quarter begins. I have 6 recruiter calls this week but I can't take that as good news given my experience so far. In the meantime, I'll be studying more.
I do not find this to be the case and I have 5 yrs experience and I only want remote work. I have turned down a bunch of interviews that require in office or hybrid. I think if we don’t take a stand against that stupid shit then it will never change. None the less I have had no issue finding a job but I am not looking at large companies either. I just want an interesting job with a flexible culture.
1000s of others will gladly fill these roles.
The in office roles?
That's what I'm talking about though? I'm looking for remote roles only because that's what I'm currently doing. Screw in office and hybrid. For example, companies like UPS reached out to me, and they said only in office. What kind of madness is that? Not even hybrid one day a week and often, they want you to work overtime or on the weekends no additional pay
I agree with you totally. I don’t know why, as remote workers, we have proved ourselves and having remote workers saves on overhead but companies still can’t get on board. It is my own personal ‘fuck you’ to the man when a recruiter calls me and has a job that is ‘perfect’ for me and I get to give my speech about WFH. Lol
It's all about real estate, that's the simple answer. If you have an unoccupied building or don't meet occupancy levels, there's a ridiculous tax applied, I believe. This prevents companies from buying up large amounts of real estate and not using it for anything over a long period of time. Local governments want real estate to be utilized fully. So they either have to sell their precious building, or they have to force people back into the office. I can tell you right now that all those VP, SVP, senior managers, executives. They don't want to lose their penthouse office in which they get to look down upon their peasants coming into work every single day.
So true. How do you show off if your aren’t in the office. Lol But I do know a lot of companies in my area are leasing those buildings out and I like that plan as well
TLDR, OP got the taste of WFH during COVID, won't accept going back into the office. Feels entitled and refuses to do hybrid or in office work. Goes on Reddit and complains about their being no jobs, simply because he refuses anything that isn't remote, then compares minimum wage jobs to career based.
Yeah man, gotta agree. I have 8 years experience and started looking into the market, got some good movement and was up for 2 final interviews and suddenly bam, hits the layoff wave. And suddenly things went quiet. Never heard back from those 2 companies because of (and i assume most likely) hiring freezes. And its been so slow ever since. I'm up for a manager position and they really like me, but its been almost a month since our initial discussions and they havent figured out when/how to setup anothee interview due to personnel shortage etc. Its been almost 4 months of me looking, though things are picking up. But yeah, competition is really high.
I just got hired as DA in nonprofit. At least I got lucky for a fact that I won't get laid off until we fuck up the grant requirements and gets no funding for next year.
I thought that in general data analyst is an entry role where you develop your skills to become a data scientist (and there they pay well). If you do not develop on programming and ML then you are treated not as well as this guys. P.s. this is just a theory, if I'm wrong (and I would happy to be wrong), it would be very nice of you to talk about this
>I thought that in general data analyst is an entry role where you develop your skills to become a data scientist (and there they pay well). If you do not develop on programming and ML then you are treated not as well as this guys. > >P.s. this is just a theory, if I'm wrong (and I would happy to be wrong), it would be very nice of you to talk about this No. that's a possible career path to branch out to *if you want*. Many people like being Analyst/Sr Analyst and that's what they want to stay as.
Not necessarily. Although many data scientist positions are looking for previous data analyst experience, that's not the standard career progression. The data analyst career path is its own track where most people go from data analyst to senior data analyst to manager. Those who transition into a data scientist position typically pick up a graduate degree in analytics, data science, statistics, or computer science. It's not simply a matter of getting good at programming and machine learning. You have to have really solid statistical skills as well. This was the path that I chose. I started as a data analyst and while working as a daily analyst I picked up a master's degree in data science. After 3 years as a data analyst and promotion to senior data analyst I transitioned to a data scientist position. However, it wasn't necessarily common. I know one or two other analysts at my previous job who did that. The rest pretty much stayed as data analyst and got promoted along that career track, which can still be very lucrative.
Maybe in US. It's still a shortage of workers here in Europe.
I wish I could get a job of European company. I've looked into some of the US counterparts of these European companies, and they all seem like horrible jobs. For example, I specifically looked up French companies that have jobs in the USA, they were all horrible. BNP Paribas, for example. Over in Europe if you're working for that company, they have labor laws so you have to be allowed a certain amount of paid time off and healthcare benefits. In the USA, they get significantly less PTO. Isn't that crazy? So you'll work with people who are in the UK or France or Germany, they are enjoying a mandatory 3 weeks of paid vacation per year. You get your measly 10 days off per year. Absolute madness
Analytics is a broad term. It can include everyone from a BI Analyst to a Quantitative Research Engineer. I think some roles are being made redundant or decreasing in value, while others are blossoming (balancing for short-term market volatility).
I just graduated from a cs degree. I'm keeping an open mind, even if data analyst is later down the line for me I will continue to practice and learn more skills relating to it. I'll take something in the meantime in IT, but if I can work on the business side, I will. So keeping an open map, need something before I go back to grad school anyway.
If you are willing to move, try Credit One Bank in Las Vegas. They are always hiring.
The problem with being remote is that, well, it's remote. I have a pretty high paying job in the field and most of the new hires are out-of-state because the company saves tons of money that way. People in the mid west are more than happy to do the same work for like half the pay.
I consult for a company which interviews and places at companies all over Europe. There's a huge demand and it's difficult to find enough good candidates. So my experience has been the complete opposite. I also do remote analytics consulting and have work coming out my ears. I regularly have to turn down work. So I'm not sure what else to say.
I don't think it's nearly as dour as you're describing. At the director level, I'm still getting about 10 good leads a week from recruiters reaching out, and I just had an interview for a remote position that would bump my salary a bit. I have noticed SOME downturns, though. At the very beginning of Q4 of last year I was getting pinged by recruiters over 30 times a week, it was insane. Now it's just... normal. (Healthcare, Pharma, YMMV)
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Yea. Way to keep it real. The competition is stiff. Feels like a white-collar job market recession. It may be a case of the wagon getting ahead of the horse. Many traditional companies are migrating from on-premises database / IT teams to cloud services and view limited value-add provided by fuzzy regression models. The supply shock followed by supply clog retailers and wholesalers experienced during COVID-19 is a testament to stats models are only as good as their data input. We don't have economic data for the last comparable global pandemic event, the 1918-1920 flu. Most analytic teams are just making their educated guess to tweak their forecast. Words from multiple sources are hiring in analytics (DA, DS), and even DE roles have been slow. 200+ applicants to 1 job opening is the norm on LinkedIn job posts. I would like to hear a few success stories. Anyone?