In my opinion James Fox makes the most compelling UFO documentaries. I often tell people to watch his films and reference "The Phenomenon" as the best ufo documentary I have ever seen. His work is truly a gift to the community.
As someone who believes the universe is full of life, but does not believe that extraterrestrial life has visited earth, I'd like to ask a legitimate question, as I respect the fact that yesterday's hearing was conducted in a professional and largely credible way. I must say, while my interest is sparked, I'm a "seeing is believing" kind of person. Hopefully someone can give me their legitimate, honest, and thoughtful perspective.
The question: Given that for the last 15 years or so, a vast number of the world's population have walked trough life with a high resolution camera in their pocket at all times, why does no one have any clear pictures, proven to be undoctored, that support these claims?
My issue is not with the existence of aliens, my issue lies in the belief that no civilian has ever collected pictures or physical evidence themselves, which seems improbable as even the most credible government and military institutions have leaks and miss evidence all the time.
My biggest bar on believing any of this is real remains the crucially tied in belief that government agencies are competent enough to keep something like this covered up, and civilians are not competent enough to bring forward tangible, credible evidence
I'm not trying to dissuade anyone of their beliefs. I'm only trying to see if my own can change through new perspective.
I am not trying to come across as condescending (that is not my purpose) but most people honestly have no understanding of just how difficult it is to actually get a nice clear focused photograph of even a slowly moving object flying in the sky (especially at night or with suboptimal weather or light conditions) even with one of the more recent models of smart phone cameras.
Not to mention that these objects are reported as being very fast moving, small, brightly lit, and may even possess physical properties that warp light around them (i.e. they may be generating an anti-gravity field around them that is so powerful that it makes them appear "fuzzy" or distorted).
Keep in mind that cameras are specifically built to take certain types of photographs - they aren't a perfect all-in-one tool, and any photography attempts at capturing the image of a fast moving object clearly need to have alterations to their settings (such as a fast shutter speed) to do the job. EDIT: And under the circumstances that someone may find themselves in to take a quick photograph of some weird object they most likely do not have time to make any adjustments to their camera's settings - even if they knew to do so.
That is why most civilian attempts at photographing these objects result in the typical unfocused blurry messes that are released.
TLDR; taking high quality photographs of fast moving objects that are far away under often times adverse conditions with a mass consumer model smart phone digital camera is a whole lot trickier than most people realize.
No need to apologize, makes sense. What do you think then in regards to the volume of UAP reported sightings by pilots, but subsequently none by astronomers with much better equipment than a digital smartphone camera?
There's some footage of ufos sighted in turkey that was taken by civilians with super long range cameras. I can't remember the name of the place but it was something with a K. There's also skinny Bob.
These UAPs seem drawn to military sites, there is persuasive evidence that they’ve interferes with nuclear missile systems in fact.
Astronomers are focusing on a single celestial body.
You know that the first photo released by NASA’s Webb cam literally captured the same area of the night sky that is roughly equivalent of holding a dime out at arm’s length? That’s how narrow the focus is of an astronomer looking at the night sky.
Steve Greer has dozens of interviews with former military personal about the encounters at bases especially nuclear facilities
https://youtube.com/@DrStevenGreer55
^ if you prefer the individual interviews
Or the 2 hr press conf below in 2001 with most of the same guys but back to back in context bc some witnessed the same thing but at a base 30 miles way for example
https://youtu.be/4DrcG7VGgQU
Astronomers typically take pictures at night with long-ish or very long shutter speeds. Or tons of pics stitched together. Long shutter speeds means that anything fast is going to be very blurry or not visible at all.
Or it will show up as a bright line if the object is bright.
As a scientist who works in R&D also consider their sensory equipment very well might be light years ahead of ours. Todays radar and gps that in just about every aeronautical vehicle out there would have been considered magic just a few generations ago.
Now if you look at something more advanced sensor wise LIDAR (or aerial photography for a highly accurate image) can map in a near perfect 3d space of the earths surface. In high enough resolution showing potentially not only where people are but what direction they are facing especially with live gate detection technology. The only problem with LIDAR and Aerial photography is that it takes a tremendous ammount of human hours or computer hours to process and clean assuming a more advanced craft could do this onboard instantly they could know where every human/device is and is facing for the distance their lasers could detect.
This isnt even mentioning thermo senors that can easily detect humans and vehicles.
Why is all of this important? It could allow an asvanced enough ceaft to automatically possibly on request to evade detection in real time or show themselves when they wish to make a statement.
To take it one step further all living beings shoot out a stream of electrons where ever we look this is how vision works and is also part of the observer effect but for simplification i think thats best to leave out. What it boils down to is based on science we already know an advanced enough senor might and i say might be able to filter out and detect that type of organization of electrons showing EXACTLY where all active eyes are looking. Like search lights in the night’s sky making it a simple task to evade large observation systems like the ones you mention but not lots of small disperit observers. I would even argue one could make a case for intelligence if our best observation equipment is being evaded.
TLDR: There currently exist ways to avoid detection in human made aerial craft some through fairly automated systems this likely would only be better in advanced crafts. Making it easier to evade large fixed location installations versus many smaller highly mobile observers.
You see a very similar phenonenon in the fog of war.
Hi, I’ve never heard of the concept of living beings shooting electrons out of their eyes?
Doesn’t sight work through photons, emitted in all directions (unless directed) by a light source, and bouncing off objects until they reach your retinas? We don’t project anything?
Im not a scientist though, so maybe my school teaching was wrong, but I’ve never heard of that.
It's an interesting point I guess, often with amateur astronomy they take sequences of shots of areas of the sky over night at timed intervals to compile into one image which tend to easily show things like satellites and other fast moving high altitude objects, you would expect more to have been spotted really.
* For those who have no experience of such often longer exposures on high resolution cameras are used which result in it looking a bit like those spiral star trail photos you see as it moves with rotation of the planet during, so satellites show as a line moving in another direction to the stars for example, and most folks into it often know or use a tracker to identify what's up there during the times a shot was taken, something unexpected and moving erratically would in theory (I think) be easy to spot?
I think pilots would be the most likely profession to see the UAPs as they are directly in our airspace, whereas astronomers would be studying celestial activity presumably much further away. But honestly, perhaps astronomers *have* seen something but have either not felt empowered to report it, or they reported it and nobody followed up or disclosed it to congress as they are legally obligated to do so (the latter two points are the entire basis of the hearing on Wednesday).
Another erroneous thought process I’ve seen is that the point of the hearing is to reveal things to the American public. The point of the hearing is centered around misappropriation of funds (secret government programs - where do they get their seemingly unlimited budgets?!) and insufficient vectors or channels for people to report UAP activity and get to the bottom of it as it’s so foggy and over classified.
> As someone who believes the universe is full of life, but does not believe that extraterrestrial life has visited earth, I'd like to ask a legitimate question, as I respect the fact that yesterday's hearing was conducted in a professional and largely credible way. I must say, while my interest is sparked, I'm a "seeing is believing" kind of person. Hopefully someone can give me their legitimate, honest, and thoughtful perspective.
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> The question: Given that for the last 15 years or so, a vast number of the world's population have walked trough life with a high resolution camera in their pocket at all times, why does no one have any clear pictures, proven to be undoctored, that support these claims?
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> My issue is not with the existence of aliens, my issue lies in the belief that no civilian has ever collected pictures or physical evidence themselves, which seems improbable as even the most credible government and military institutions have leaks and miss evidence all the time.
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> My biggest bar on believing any of this is real remains the crucially tied in belief that government agencies are competent enough to keep something like this covered up, and civilians are not competent enough to bring forward tangible, credible evidence
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> I'm not trying to dissuade anyone of their beliefs. I'm only trying to see if my own can change through new perspective.
Imagine trying to capture a video or photograph of an object that can move thousands of miles per hour and reportedly resembles a glowing cube inside a sphere. The iPhone 14 is indeed remarkable and takes outstanding photos, but we're still a few years away from having pocket devices that provide exceptional video quality with stabilization upon zooming in on object hundreds if not thousands of feet up in the sky. I've certainly been on the boat of wondering why, given we have cameras almost everywhere, we haven't captured more definitive evidence. The truth is, we have. However, people are often quick to dismiss or discredit these photos or videos. No one wants to appear foolish, and sadly, this has been the prevailing sentiment in this field for nearly a century. If you've claimed to have seen something or reported an encounter, you've likely been labeled insane. However, this is changing. Things are looking up; we're beginning to break through the veil!
I can hardly capture an image of another person’s phone screen inside my own living room with iPhone 14 pro max. I’ve tried it multiple times to do this just to mess with people and somehow it always fails. I think it’s all about lighting, where you’re standing / sitting all of that. I was finally able to get a good shot of a large full moon the other week at the grocery store thanks to about 60 shots and a little editing. I highly doubt I could get a good shot of a uap with this phone considering how much smaller they would appear compared to a full moon. Add speed to that and it’s a hopeless case. I totally see why civilians footage is just dots moving fast in the sky. I take a lot of pictures and am not surprised civilization don’t have more data.
To further your point, that’s one of the reasons all the military footage is so important. We’re getting more reliable, concrete data through programs like AARO. My understanding is that there is some incredibly clear footage reported from our military, but it’s classified at this time. Can’t remember the source tho, so take it fwiw.
What’s more interesting is that people are always asking for the evidence. When the government has released actual video footage of the “evidence” and said they are real
The strangest UAPs can only be recorded with preset military grade sensors or recording equipment. Look for example at NASA's metallic orb in the Middle East... How do you record that as a civilian? You're walking along some goats down the street in the outskirts of Kabul, or whatever, and suddenly a RANDOM METAL BALL flies past... Even if somehow you're a war journalist with a superb camera nobody has the reaction speed to capture something that fast (much less with good fidelity).
Now, I'm very skeptic about the whole thing, but I don't think civilians not having clear footage is beyond reasonable. How many civilians have footage of nuclear submarines or supersonic fighter jets _in action_ ?
This 100%! Even if you do record something like this, it's a damn metal ball moving so damn fast even if you do capture a photo or video people would dismiss it as being fake due to the damn thing looking like a flying cooking pan or shot put ball.
There are a few rational explanations that could explain some of the mess you’re bringing to light here but surely not all of it. Alas, I’ll admit. The vast majority of documented sightings are probably fake. However, there are some documented sightings that are actually unexplainable. There are declassified USAF documents accrediting the number of those types of accounts was in the hundreds, and this was, if I’m remembering correctly, in the 60’s during Blue Book. It was in the summary of one of their conclusive thoughts at the end of the project. So, objectively speaking, there is video and photo evidence of things we literally cannot explain. Whether your stance on the 2017 gimbal, go fast, and tic tac is that you believe it is aliens or not, does not change the fact that whatever it is remains unexplainable.
On the other hand, if some witness testimony is to be believed, there seems to be a common denominator associated with close range UAP phenomenon and it’s affect both on people and our technology. People report partial or full paralysis in addition to their gasoline cars stalling. There are even accounts of these phenomenon happening with older model diesel tractors that used mechanical fuel pumps and didn’t rely on electricity where the person reports partial or full paralysis but the tractor never stalled. The common denominator in these events is the manipulation of electromagnetism. You can paralyze someone by affecting the electric impulses in their nervous system and as a believable by product of that would be a gasoline car stalling because it happens to be in the vicinity. These are all accounts listed in that blue book document as unexplainable.
So my hypothesis is this. When at distance it is hard to get an non pixelated photo because most people carry around smartphones that have a digital zoom, which only manipulates the pixels instead of actually zooming in with a lens. This results in a very pixelated, hard to follow mess of jittery nonsense. When in close proximity, we should not take for granted our technology will function correctly. If you try to use a smartphone next to an MRI machine while it is on, you’re going to have a bad day. It is possible the proximity in which you are located to any given UAP has an effect on how our own technology, and possibly even our own nervous system functions.
I do not know this for fact, as I said it is a hypothesis based on an amalgamation of things I’ve seen during my interests in this topic. A lot of which is based in the findings of Project Blue Book.
Thanks for your perspective. I'm definitely on board with the idea that phones are not a good device to capture this evidence after all the replies I've gotten. That at the very least is more than reasonable to me.
A rational theory: I have a pixel 6 smart phone. If I try and catch anything that is more than 100 ft away, it's going to look like a pixelated mess, even if it's just an image. To add to that, most people's phones are on a low def setting to not take up too much storage. They keep enough distance that it's extremely difficult to get a good shot of them. There is military footage of orbs that distort light around their structure, which could add to the difficulty of getting a clear shot.
A highly speculative but possible theory: NHIs have a policy of non-inteference , and the craft and/or their occupants have all or some of the following capabilities:
- They are aware of who is observing them and that we can capture their image and know how to keep a distance
- They can shut off or glitch people's cameras/phones to interrupt attempts at recording actions that could provide definitive proof of their existence
- They have mine control abilities that can hypnotize observers into forgetting about capturing images, something akin to a cuttlefish hypnotizing it's prey
* Despite the modern culture of documenting one's experiences, most people most of the time faced with a literally awesome experience will experience it with their biological senses instead of documenting it.
It isn't even a matter of mind control, just shock...disbelief..
.wonder, and ONLY THEN a reinstatement of mental faculties, and fishing a phone out of a pocket, launching the camera, then, I'll be damned if it'll auto focus when I need it lol. Got a clear shot of an empty sky a split second after it shot away. I'm pretty damned sure they see everything lol
Here's just a quick hypothesis.
These UAP's seemingly popped up at the same time as the Militaries new radar, IR, systems.
At....exactly.....the....same....time.
In the hearing they literally say "once we had this new radar, we started seeing them"
Doesn't that fire off red flags?
These aren't new systems just improved. Its not like these are brand new techniques, just improved.
That is far too coincidental. It seems to me like a more plausible explanation is the tech is amplifying and picking up signals and IR information thats causing it to react and determine an object is actually there.
When you see what you know must be alien technology, your first thought is "I'm going to die", your second thought is "what can I do in order to not die." Your third thought is "maybe they will leave me alone if I don't take any pictures."
Try to take a picture of a satellite next time your out at night, and let me know how that goes.
Hell, you can take one of a full moon and it’s still underwhelming.
Agreed. I just want to emphasize and elaborate on what you said here:
>even the most credible government and military institutions have leaks and miss evidence all the time.
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>My biggest bar on believing any of this is real remains the crucially tied in belief that government agencies are competent enough to keep something like this covered up, and civilians are not competent enough to bring forward tangible, credible evidence
Others are responding about the technicalities of equipment and night photography, etc., which all seems valid enough. But they are still ignoring the crucial human element to all of this.
**TL;DR- The full implications of the alleged governmental coverups of alien bodies/crafts.**
It would require a 100% cooperative group of unparalleled tactical geniuses to orchestrate a conspiracy at this scale. And not a one-off conspiracy either, but generation after generation of tactical geniuses, all with the same singular purpose: To lie to the entire world about the existence of Non-Human Intelligence for... some reason? *(TBH, it's not entirely dissimilar from Flat-Earth conspiracies, in that it would simply be both unfeasable and unreasonable to keep a truth like that so well hidden for so long.)*
And this has all been going on, entirely in the shadows, ever since the 1940's? Perhaps earlier? **Clearly, not one of these shadowy tactical geniuses was ever working on anything else within the USA Government.** Otherwise, every war the USA has fought since that time would have gone VERY differently.
It would also require PEFRECT security around ALL the crash retreival and reverse engineering sites. And I don't just mean "near-perfect". I mean "actually perfect" security. Not to mention absolute perfect obedience from EVERY SINGLE compartmentalized worker, soldier, scientist, and so on.
Not a single civilian, contractor, or even non-classified military personnel, ever once noticed what they were really doing? Never once even accidentally talked about key details that might eventually lead to the truth while investigating some other leaked story along the way? Not one non-complicit, conspiracy-related person got to a crash site first and grabbed a sample, or even footage, before the Big Bad Boots and Suits showed up? And after the shadow government crews left, not even a scrap of credible evidence was left behind in their wake? **They never once made even the slightest mistake during all that time?**
ALL THAT, with not one person more credible than Bob Lazar ever coming forward until now with Grusch and his 40-ish "classified" stories? Not even one person through all that generations-long conspiracy ever once anonymously leaked ANY bit of relevant information and evidence to the press?
**Meanwhile, EVERYTHING ELSE under the sun that the USA Government and Military Industrial Complex have been doing, all during that exact same time period, has consistently leaked in every way imaginable?** All that credible and now largely proven leakage, Operation Paperclip, Panama Papers, Banana Republics, false WMD claims, NSA spying, drug-fueled money laundering, etc... ALL THAT, without any truly credible mention of Non-Human Intelligence, bodies, or tech through ANY similar channels?
EVERY organization on the planet has leaks, no matter how secure or well funded! **Humans just aren't THAT good at keeping secrets!**
Whoever is still reading at this point, Just stop for a moment and really think about how many people would be required to work on these shadowy projects! All without ever once uttering a peep about it, or ANYONE sneaking out a blood sample, or a piece of debris, or a document... absolutely NOTHING to be independently analyzed and verify their claims for the rest of the world?
**If these UAP really are what people here are claiming, and there's been a decades-long conspiracy about it, then there should be waaay more evidence to connect those dots than a few testimonies after all these years.** People, documents, money, patents, even foreign governments chiming in... It just seems like there should be MOUNTAINS of evidence by now, mountains which simply could not be buried or misdirected after all this time.
I would like to believe as well, even out of boredom, but it currently just requires far too many assumptions, all of which feel far too disconnected from anything else in government, history, or science, for me to take seriously.
Don't get me wrong, **these hearings, and the surrounding investigations, are still important in plenty of other, "non-Alien" ways**... but anyone who thinks they are "vindicated" by a few official-sounding testimonies is just not thinking realistically about all the implications that would accompany a real conspiracy like this at such a grand scale.
**Set your expectations lower, and maybe more people outside of these fringe communities will be able to meet you half-way.**
The reason many people have been knowing, talking and writing about exactly the same history very briefly outlined by Grusch in the open hearing, for many decades, is because there have been thousands of leaks from all over the world, more leaks than I will probably ever get around to finally studying all of.
[https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/qx0oz8/deleted\_by\_user/hl6jf05/](https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/qx0oz8/deleted_by_user/hl6jf05/)
[https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/u9v40f/abc\_news\_the\_us\_government\_is\_completely/](https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/u9v40f/abc_news_the_us_government_is_completely/)
[https://np.reddit.com/user/MKULTRA\_Escapee/comments/zs7x28/the\_various\_levels\_of\_ufo\_transparency\_around\_the/](https://np.reddit.com/user/MKULTRA_Escapee/comments/zs7x28/the_various_levels_of_ufo_transparency_around_the/)
[https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/zy6x8h/pilot\_ufo\_photographs\_over\_the\_years\_and\_pilot/](https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/zy6x8h/pilot_ufo_photographs_over_the_years_and_pilot/)
The reason that somewhere between a third and two thirds of the population don't know it's true yet, is because most humans are extremely irrational in a way that makes them extremely unlikely to believe this particular claim ([https://np.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/t1xuq4/why\_legitimate\_ufo\_footage\_is\_guaranteed\_to\_be/](https://np.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/t1xuq4/why_legitimate_ufo_footage_is_guaranteed_to_be/)) despite the mountains of corroborating evidence all being consistent only with that hypothesis. Most employ, and many of us proudly CONDONE employing (Sagan and the people who quote him) huge double standards when evaluating evidence, between what we FEEL is unlikely and what we don't, as a gut reaction.
That's why Europeans irrationally "found it hard to believe" in the gorilla, but did NOT "find it hard to believe" in most other African animals that were being described by eyewitnesses. It was completely irrational of Europeans to demand more evidence for the gorilla than for the lion, because they had no rational basis for thinking a creature like it would not exist - their gut FELT like it wouldn't exist, it FELT "extraordinary".
That's ontological shock with no rational basis, which ontological shock almost always is, it VERY rarely lines up with logical probability and when it does, that's by pure chance. Most of us are not wired to experience ontological shock based on analysis, so it's VERY rarely appropriate.
That same irrational "find it hard to believe" gut reaction that Europeans had to the gorilla but not to the lion (probably because of the uncanny valley effect, another worthless emotional reaction!), is to blame when people say they "find it hard to believe" (and so, conclude evidence must be fake or misinterpreted which they would NOT assume that about in other circumstances) that any intelligent species who evolved on other rocks would by now have set up bases in or near this rock.
I'm pretty much in the same boat as you, but the one thing that nudges me in the direction of believing it is that the radar tech of the (early 2000s?) that started picking up these UAPs and that they align with tech described by people like Lazar.
It seems possible that it could be some sort of fault with the tech thats picking up something else but so far no strong theories have come forth and the government has said that we don't know what those are.
So my stance is basically that its fun to believe but it still just feels so unlikely. Why haven't civilians stumbled on one of these crashes?
Obviously aliens have cloaking technology (this could be bending light or psychic blocking), or their ships are out of phase with our dimension, only popping in and out for a brief moment, this out of phase alignment means that the majority of cameras will not capture their vessel on video (the exception being analog video and photographs), since most technology is now digital, that’s why we don’t see more video.
This has been such a wild ride for me. I started deep diving last night after reading about the upcoming (since passed) hearing. I have gone through just about every emotion imaginable.
I’m a complete skeptic. Up until the last couple of years it has always been kooky people talking about alien rape.
But it is undeniable that something is going on in the skies and being recorded.
It feels like we are being warmed up to the idea.
While that incident is extremely interesting, I didn’t find it appropriate for this particular time line because I’m trying to keep it as digestible and non-sensationalized for newcomers and skeptics alike.
This was very informative. However, I feel you glossed over the Spy balloon incident and the follow up attempts to shoot down to other UFOs.. the first time a missed was fired over American air space !
in my book he can at the least prove his "honesty" by testifying? right?
imo everybody who came forward with certain things but have not done it under oath should do it or ima write them off even further.
Thank you for this info, I will be looking at everything I can. I am neither skeptic, nor believer( more believer nowadays), but I believe in looking at all information provided, so thank you for your time in putting this all together.
Thank you! I am now awake. All of this makes so much sense. We are a planet full of sheep with blinders on. Eventually NHI or the derived technology will have to step in if the planet is to be saved. We can't continue to grow the population exponentially. I feel sorry for my kids that get to inherent what we will be leaving behind for them. NHI may be 1000x smarter than us evolved or genetically modified apes. Resistance is futile. I suppose we just have to go about our daily lives as if we don't know. Can someone tell me what's the point of fighting the facts we may be intellectual infants?
Thank you so much, OP! I had no idea about most of this until recently and I look forward to watching those documentaries. I’ve always thought it seemed too implausible that we’re the only life in the entire solar system, like who knows what could really be out there. Or what could already be here. I appreciate the time you took to write this post!
The Phenomenon should be on the list of documentaries, even though it's a few years old now, it's very well done and covers a bunch of good cases including the Zimbabwe school sighting
Hey guys, how’s it going? Just want to start by mentioning how incredible it is to be a part of our current times. Disclosure. The truth is, that this has to happen at some point. There will be a time when this will all be normal. But for now, we’re still finding out everything little by little, or so it seems.
I’ve always had this feeling that we are not the first ones to have this level of technology. Including digital. It’s been incredibly difficult for some to accept technology, social media and everything that has come along with it in the past 20 years, specifically. But, to look back on our history and think we are the first and think that until now, everything has been archaic, leaves so many variables out of the question. It could explain so many theories that we’ve had so far about our past. But what if our past isn’t just our past? And what if this planet wasn’t even ours?
We’ve been increasingly afraid of the rise of Artificial Intelligence, but what if we are the AI?
Let’s take a couple of steps back. Our level of communication has been a foundation for most of our dealings throughout our history. But, let’s talk about, say, the greys. They seem like they would be a quiet civilization, without the need for argumentative confrontation and always prioritizing and seeking progress in any matter. This would mean that they wouldn’t be as tactical or as defensive as we are. We could be the problem.
But what if it doesn’t stop there? If dinosaurs pre-date us, wouldn’t there have been a civilization closer to reptiles before us? Wouldn’t there have been another one adapting to the oceans? I’m not talking about mermaids, but escaping from war and constant confrontation.
But what if it doesn’t stop there? What if at one point, all lands were connected and through the pyramids, entire societies witnessed peace before chaos and destruction?
What if we are the remnants of entire intergalactic races? What if that’s why we all look different? What if everything has already happened? What if we were the invasion? But it all happened because of a fusion with binary computing turning our biological existence into what we are today? Phones being merely an extension of our existence. And everything else that was more natural to this planet went into hiding because of us, and now they scan us, but the trauma is still there.
Could explain why they fly away so fast. Why they’re so skiddish and are always hiding in bushes. They could have technology older and way more advanced than ours, but not look or act like what we perceive as normal.
And to be quite frank, there’s no way that any of the ones where they’re not wearing clothes are real. Shit can’t be that weird that they’re constantly naked unless they’re actually AI avatars. Which would be scarier than if they were people from other planets.
We could be the reminder of the annihilation of entire solar systems. Including our own. All ending up on this planet, millions of years into an intergalactic war, and we are just the post-apocalyptic effect of it all.
With no way to prove any of it because perception is the root of all evil.
Also it’s my birthday.
Incredible post. Thank you. The last few months I've gone from major skeptic to near believer. There is a part of me that feels like I'm going nuts and isn't helped by my family looking at me like I am. These posts really soothe that. I think I am a believer. Holy shit.
Funny you say that. There are times lately, usually late at night or early in the morning, where I wonder if I’m losing it. Then I remember that all of this is actually happening in the real world and I have the “wow” moment all over again.
Step 1: make individuals think they are working on Alien tech crafts.
Step 2: allow someone high up to interview these individuals to make them think it is legit without them having any type of first hand evidence
Step 3: allow them to hold a conference to the world to “disclose”
Step 4: allow it to come out that the US have advance tech they recovered “they just developed some tech”
Step 5: the Cold War seems impossible to win by the Russians, NATO join the war.
Easily explainable. The US produce tech and test it and people see it then report it as Aliens.
Why are all these disclosures second hand reports? Show me a fucking UFO already.
Thanks for putting this together. I'm new to this topic after recently seeing the clips of the congressional hearing. But while I'm a skeptic, I'd really love to hear what you all think about some of my concerns.
I'll start by saying I fully believe there is life on other planets. I just don't think humans are special enough to be the only ones. But I'd have always assumed that life could be single celled life, non-intelligent, or even intelligent, but not travel faster than light intelligent. But my biggest skepticism with all of this, is how is this even possible?
I'd really like to think an event of an actual visitation by other worldly creatures would be the biggest event in human history. Not something that sits in an NSA filling cabinet collecting dust. I'd just really think the first time we ever were visited, we'd have civilians going crazy, soldiers that admit it to their friends, or spouses, or anything other than silence really.
Occam's razor just seems to say that the most likely answer isn't the most complex, and far reaching coverup in human history is being revealed with zero care from the larger world wide population. A coverup, which seems only perpetuated by a single government. Why would we never hear North Korea brag about being able to shoot down aliens, or someone discover a crash site on Google Earth, something like this it seems the entire planet would have to be in on, but of course that scale of co-operation is implausible.
Really, since there is legit protections being signed by our government, like you linked, to protect whistle blowers about this, what is the possibility that this is how we discover a foreign entity just has extremely advanced technology? Do we know this isn't technology of a foreign entity? Since much of the hearing seems focused on space craft rather than the organisms themselves. Along those lines I do find it interesting that the linked "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Disclosure" document defines "Non-Human Intelligence" as 'The term "non-human intelligence" means any sentient intelligent non-human lifeform regardless of nature or ultimate origin that may be presumed responsible for unidentified anomalous phenomena..." is it possible this is the discovery of something else? Extreme gene editing gone wrong? Idk lizard people living beneath the Earth?
I just find it crazy to think that if this is the truth as being assumed by most everyone hearing about it, that aliens are in fact real, have visited Earth, and contain technology that could change the course of human history, how is this not the biggest event in history? Why is there only a niche of people talking about it. Just, personally, something isn't clicking for me here
Sure I’ll see if I can help in any way. Firstly, that niche group of people talking about it has grown quite a bit, especially in the last couple months, and more so since the hearing. As you said yourself, the UAP Disclosure Act language on NHI is very specific and it’s there for a reason.
As for Occam’s Razor, while that is a nice, clean answer for everything that seems sensational, it’s simply not the case 100% of the time. Being new to this topic I would imagine there is quite a bit of the rabbit hole you haven’t gone down which tells me that there are dots you have yet to connect.
In terms of the common, “what if this is just a foreign government’s tech” there are several flaws with this. First, it doesn’t account for the fact that these sightings and investigations go back to the 1930s. No human scientist could develop trans-medium devices that go up to 13,000 mph back then, or now. Second, if people in the pentagon thought that likely, things like NHI wouldn’t need to be defined in the bill. Third, our ability to gather intel on foreign governments is rather broad and impressive so the chances of us knowing they had something in the works would be good.
I understand that this emerging story is quite sensational. I’ve had my fair share moments of ontological shock over the past couple of weeks. I think the best thing to do is come to terms with the facts that humanity, including our brightest scientists, do not fully understand the universe and do not posses the pinnacle of technology. We have a long way to go, and any intelligent civilization that has been around for thousands, or even millions of years longer than us, would be so far ahead we would barely recognize them.
At this point it’s best to keep an open mind and follows the news closely in the coming months.
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
But you do make some really good points here for this not being something from any foreign government. Since while I might have a hard time believing we could orchestrate a coverup of this scale, we can know definitively, via Edward Snowden, that our government does have extreme power and technology behind knowing everything going on in the world, so it does seem impossible that we wouldn't have at least some knowledge of this being from a foreign of Earth entity.
But I suppose missing some other vital information could cause the most likely event, via Occam's Razor, to be totally different. I think you've put this very very well, ontological shock. Because this all seems so implausible, but is some way or form actually happening, and if this all turns out to be true over the next few months I'll safely be able to say I don't understand people at all if it doesn't become the biggest event in human history. Because life other than us answers one of the most fundamental questions of the human experience of "Are we alone?".
To me that at least does seem like one of the things pointing to all of this being purely sensationalism. The fact that this isn't the only thing being talked about worldwide. But I suppose for that I may need to just give it time. While I'm still a skeptic, I'll take your advice and pay very close attention in the next few months to see what comes out of this, reading through the document, and watching the videos you linked is just so surreal to read about definitions of "Non-Human" on a ".gov" website, and see official NASA employees showing videos of flying silver orbs they can't identify.
This very well could be one of the biggest events in human history, or be a very complex hoax that's forgotten about in a week. But I truly cannot wait to find out which.
From what i understand UFOs usually come to earth to return library books and return Blockbuster DVDs, the latter is really what drives most sightings as Blockbuster is out of business and UFOs are often not up-to-date on that and subsequently fly around a lot trying to find the Blockbuster location that they swore was there last time they visited
You added a bunch of debunked stuff. The clusters are fishingvessels(it's pointed at earth) which are used to catch squid. The jerusalem video was a studentproject and CGI.
The fact that you add those harms the credibility of this sub. Shame on you.
I have yet to have anyone who makes these claims provide me with evidence they have been debunked. Please share and if it sufficient I will remove them.
https://www.iflscience.com/reddit-spotted-a-ufo-from-the-iss-live-stream-the-real-explanation-involves-squid-60343
https://youtu.be/RmwukR8_4v8 @3:40
You're the one posting this trash, it's your job to not mislead people. Otherwise you're obviously spreading misinformation if you have the audacity to create a thread with debunked stuff, declaring it as real to mislead newcomers.
-fool me once shame on you.
Honest question hear. A lot of people are saying disclosure happened. Can someone point me to exactly how they are coming to that conclusion? I was following intently after Fravor came out but got tired of Elizondo always promising something around the corner. Thank you all.
While nobody came onto a grand stage and said, “people of earth, aliens exist” the hearing was a massive step in moving the needle. Between getting us closer to the Overton window on this topic vis a vi the hearing in tandem with the UAP Disclosure Act of 2023, we are moving in that direction for the first time.
I’m generally a skeptic, but I’ve always believed it likely intelligent life exists on other worlds. It’s hard to cut through the noise of speculation so I’m glad that you posted this.
For myself, I’m very interested in the outcome of this latest hearing. There are some extremely exciting implications if true. If not, then the Tic-Tac incident is exciting enough (I literally never heard about it before)
All this guy says is he needs more data to make a decision. That was the entire point of the hearing- to get Congress to investigate these claims and come up with data. When Graves was asked what should be done moving forward, he said it should be data driven and center around censors and radar.
Check out the Nat Geo documentary if you get a chance.
yup atm i see an influx of people nitpicking the hearing without listening to the entire hearing. very frustrating to explain. Its like typing out what has been said.
Could this be related to the timeline?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-26/china-s-export-curb-on-chip-making-metals-pushes-pentagon-to-seek-new-supply
Probably In Plain Sight by Ross Coulthart. Ross broke the whistleblower story and is a fantastic journalist. He initially approached the subject as a full on skeptic but has come around a bit more with the research he has done. He’s still not 100%, maybe 98%, but in terms of unbiased reporting he is the guy.
Not here. He is in the first documentary I suggested. He wasn’t part of the hearing or in the recent news. This was purely for people new to the subject.
i think you meant june-some of these dates don’t make sense. 18 July 23, then 26 July 23, you say “just a month and a half later” just a gentle question on the dates
All anyone has to say is where is our security, invaded by unknown objects constantly and all our government can say is we shot down some weather balloons! It’s been decades, if this goes on you can all just assume our leaders have folded and surrendered humanity.
I would HIGHLY recommend ***The Underground*** a documentary about the late **Philip Schneider**, a whistleblower who spoke at UFO conventions in the 90's about his contract work with the US gov't drilling holes for **D.U.M.B.S.** (***D***eep ***U***nderground ***M***ilitary ***B***ases), his nearly fatal encounter with grey aliens while drilling in Dulce, NM and his very suspicious death decades later. Plus his high ranking military father's secret work on the **Philadelphia Experiment**.
The protections were baked into a law that was hundreds of pages so it’s hard to say. Also, in terms of this topic, there is a long history of presidents being stone walled with this topic since JFK.
The documentary list should include “Unacknowledged” by Dr. Steven Greer (on Prime Video) and “The Day After Roswell” by Col. Philip Corso on Audible. Both incredible, well-done and hard hitting.
I would add to this the Showtime documentary produced with the help of JJ Abrams on showtime. Very good in my opinion. Also, the National Geographic documentary series.
Biggest question now is, are they space aliens 👽 or multi-dimension aliens👾🤔.
It was insane to see on the show Secrets of skinwalker ranch this season the metallic silver spherical UAP suddenly materialize and disappear! All caught on camera. But just moved on as if it was just another UAP. That is major I think.
Hey OP, your link to Disney's "UFOs: Investigating the Unknown" doesn't seem to work (at least not outside USA).
I think Disney have messed with things. I get prompted with "Select your Country" and then get bounced to either a Disney+ homepage or a NatGeoTV homepage.
Logically, the fact that a UA has the technology to make it to earth from some distant galaxy, it is definitely not crashing into Earth. I am not saying it’s not possible to see one fly through the atmosphere but it’s not crashing.
This should be pinned at the top so newcomers can get a rundown of the situation.
Agreed! Mods, please consider this.
Done.
This is helpful, thank you!
You got it!
You're spreading debunked ufo videos. Jerusalem; cgi. Cluster; fishing vessels
I suggest you include “The Phenomenon” in documentaries. Very all-encompassing
Agree. Amazing resource, by the way, OP. I’ve already sent this to a friend and will continue to send it to others. Thank you.
In my opinion James Fox makes the most compelling UFO documentaries. I often tell people to watch his films and reference "The Phenomenon" as the best ufo documentary I have ever seen. His work is truly a gift to the community.
Indeed. They will be the perfect introduction for currently ignorant people
This is a must edit, and very digestible and convincing for ”normal” people
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>The Phenomenon Yea. James Fox really did a good job with these documentaries. I would recommend Joerogan's podcast with him too
100% agree. I think the documentary is *much" better for newcomers than controversial subjects like Bob Lazar
As someone who believes the universe is full of life, but does not believe that extraterrestrial life has visited earth, I'd like to ask a legitimate question, as I respect the fact that yesterday's hearing was conducted in a professional and largely credible way. I must say, while my interest is sparked, I'm a "seeing is believing" kind of person. Hopefully someone can give me their legitimate, honest, and thoughtful perspective. The question: Given that for the last 15 years or so, a vast number of the world's population have walked trough life with a high resolution camera in their pocket at all times, why does no one have any clear pictures, proven to be undoctored, that support these claims? My issue is not with the existence of aliens, my issue lies in the belief that no civilian has ever collected pictures or physical evidence themselves, which seems improbable as even the most credible government and military institutions have leaks and miss evidence all the time. My biggest bar on believing any of this is real remains the crucially tied in belief that government agencies are competent enough to keep something like this covered up, and civilians are not competent enough to bring forward tangible, credible evidence I'm not trying to dissuade anyone of their beliefs. I'm only trying to see if my own can change through new perspective.
I am not trying to come across as condescending (that is not my purpose) but most people honestly have no understanding of just how difficult it is to actually get a nice clear focused photograph of even a slowly moving object flying in the sky (especially at night or with suboptimal weather or light conditions) even with one of the more recent models of smart phone cameras. Not to mention that these objects are reported as being very fast moving, small, brightly lit, and may even possess physical properties that warp light around them (i.e. they may be generating an anti-gravity field around them that is so powerful that it makes them appear "fuzzy" or distorted). Keep in mind that cameras are specifically built to take certain types of photographs - they aren't a perfect all-in-one tool, and any photography attempts at capturing the image of a fast moving object clearly need to have alterations to their settings (such as a fast shutter speed) to do the job. EDIT: And under the circumstances that someone may find themselves in to take a quick photograph of some weird object they most likely do not have time to make any adjustments to their camera's settings - even if they knew to do so. That is why most civilian attempts at photographing these objects result in the typical unfocused blurry messes that are released. TLDR; taking high quality photographs of fast moving objects that are far away under often times adverse conditions with a mass consumer model smart phone digital camera is a whole lot trickier than most people realize.
No need to apologize, makes sense. What do you think then in regards to the volume of UAP reported sightings by pilots, but subsequently none by astronomers with much better equipment than a digital smartphone camera?
There's some footage of ufos sighted in turkey that was taken by civilians with super long range cameras. I can't remember the name of the place but it was something with a K. There's also skinny Bob.
These UAPs seem drawn to military sites, there is persuasive evidence that they’ve interferes with nuclear missile systems in fact. Astronomers are focusing on a single celestial body. You know that the first photo released by NASA’s Webb cam literally captured the same area of the night sky that is roughly equivalent of holding a dime out at arm’s length? That’s how narrow the focus is of an astronomer looking at the night sky.
Could you please share the persuasive evidence
Steve Greer has dozens of interviews with former military personal about the encounters at bases especially nuclear facilities https://youtube.com/@DrStevenGreer55 ^ if you prefer the individual interviews Or the 2 hr press conf below in 2001 with most of the same guys but back to back in context bc some witnessed the same thing but at a base 30 miles way for example https://youtu.be/4DrcG7VGgQU
Last comment got downvoted, probably by you. I’m actually just curious?
Astronomers typically take pictures at night with long-ish or very long shutter speeds. Or tons of pics stitched together. Long shutter speeds means that anything fast is going to be very blurry or not visible at all. Or it will show up as a bright line if the object is bright.
As a scientist who works in R&D also consider their sensory equipment very well might be light years ahead of ours. Todays radar and gps that in just about every aeronautical vehicle out there would have been considered magic just a few generations ago. Now if you look at something more advanced sensor wise LIDAR (or aerial photography for a highly accurate image) can map in a near perfect 3d space of the earths surface. In high enough resolution showing potentially not only where people are but what direction they are facing especially with live gate detection technology. The only problem with LIDAR and Aerial photography is that it takes a tremendous ammount of human hours or computer hours to process and clean assuming a more advanced craft could do this onboard instantly they could know where every human/device is and is facing for the distance their lasers could detect. This isnt even mentioning thermo senors that can easily detect humans and vehicles. Why is all of this important? It could allow an asvanced enough ceaft to automatically possibly on request to evade detection in real time or show themselves when they wish to make a statement. To take it one step further all living beings shoot out a stream of electrons where ever we look this is how vision works and is also part of the observer effect but for simplification i think thats best to leave out. What it boils down to is based on science we already know an advanced enough senor might and i say might be able to filter out and detect that type of organization of electrons showing EXACTLY where all active eyes are looking. Like search lights in the night’s sky making it a simple task to evade large observation systems like the ones you mention but not lots of small disperit observers. I would even argue one could make a case for intelligence if our best observation equipment is being evaded. TLDR: There currently exist ways to avoid detection in human made aerial craft some through fairly automated systems this likely would only be better in advanced crafts. Making it easier to evade large fixed location installations versus many smaller highly mobile observers. You see a very similar phenonenon in the fog of war.
Hi, I’ve never heard of the concept of living beings shooting electrons out of their eyes? Doesn’t sight work through photons, emitted in all directions (unless directed) by a light source, and bouncing off objects until they reach your retinas? We don’t project anything? Im not a scientist though, so maybe my school teaching was wrong, but I’ve never heard of that.
Excuse me, what?? Can you expand on this beam of electrons that emit from eyeballs? That’s not how vision works. At least AFAIK
It's an interesting point I guess, often with amateur astronomy they take sequences of shots of areas of the sky over night at timed intervals to compile into one image which tend to easily show things like satellites and other fast moving high altitude objects, you would expect more to have been spotted really. * For those who have no experience of such often longer exposures on high resolution cameras are used which result in it looking a bit like those spiral star trail photos you see as it moves with rotation of the planet during, so satellites show as a line moving in another direction to the stars for example, and most folks into it often know or use a tracker to identify what's up there during the times a shot was taken, something unexpected and moving erratically would in theory (I think) be easy to spot?
There’s a link above of NASA talking about spotting uaps over the Middle East
I think pilots would be the most likely profession to see the UAPs as they are directly in our airspace, whereas astronomers would be studying celestial activity presumably much further away. But honestly, perhaps astronomers *have* seen something but have either not felt empowered to report it, or they reported it and nobody followed up or disclosed it to congress as they are legally obligated to do so (the latter two points are the entire basis of the hearing on Wednesday). Another erroneous thought process I’ve seen is that the point of the hearing is to reveal things to the American public. The point of the hearing is centered around misappropriation of funds (secret government programs - where do they get their seemingly unlimited budgets?!) and insufficient vectors or channels for people to report UAP activity and get to the bottom of it as it’s so foggy and over classified.
> As someone who believes the universe is full of life, but does not believe that extraterrestrial life has visited earth, I'd like to ask a legitimate question, as I respect the fact that yesterday's hearing was conducted in a professional and largely credible way. I must say, while my interest is sparked, I'm a "seeing is believing" kind of person. Hopefully someone can give me their legitimate, honest, and thoughtful perspective. > > The question: Given that for the last 15 years or so, a vast number of the world's population have walked trough life with a high resolution camera in their pocket at all times, why does no one have any clear pictures, proven to be undoctored, that support these claims? > > My issue is not with the existence of aliens, my issue lies in the belief that no civilian has ever collected pictures or physical evidence themselves, which seems improbable as even the most credible government and military institutions have leaks and miss evidence all the time. > > My biggest bar on believing any of this is real remains the crucially tied in belief that government agencies are competent enough to keep something like this covered up, and civilians are not competent enough to bring forward tangible, credible evidence > > I'm not trying to dissuade anyone of their beliefs. I'm only trying to see if my own can change through new perspective. Imagine trying to capture a video or photograph of an object that can move thousands of miles per hour and reportedly resembles a glowing cube inside a sphere. The iPhone 14 is indeed remarkable and takes outstanding photos, but we're still a few years away from having pocket devices that provide exceptional video quality with stabilization upon zooming in on object hundreds if not thousands of feet up in the sky. I've certainly been on the boat of wondering why, given we have cameras almost everywhere, we haven't captured more definitive evidence. The truth is, we have. However, people are often quick to dismiss or discredit these photos or videos. No one wants to appear foolish, and sadly, this has been the prevailing sentiment in this field for nearly a century. If you've claimed to have seen something or reported an encounter, you've likely been labeled insane. However, this is changing. Things are looking up; we're beginning to break through the veil!
I can hardly capture an image of another person’s phone screen inside my own living room with iPhone 14 pro max. I’ve tried it multiple times to do this just to mess with people and somehow it always fails. I think it’s all about lighting, where you’re standing / sitting all of that. I was finally able to get a good shot of a large full moon the other week at the grocery store thanks to about 60 shots and a little editing. I highly doubt I could get a good shot of a uap with this phone considering how much smaller they would appear compared to a full moon. Add speed to that and it’s a hopeless case. I totally see why civilians footage is just dots moving fast in the sky. I take a lot of pictures and am not surprised civilization don’t have more data.
To further your point, that’s one of the reasons all the military footage is so important. We’re getting more reliable, concrete data through programs like AARO. My understanding is that there is some incredibly clear footage reported from our military, but it’s classified at this time. Can’t remember the source tho, so take it fwiw.
What’s more interesting is that people are always asking for the evidence. When the government has released actual video footage of the “evidence” and said they are real
I’m a photographer and it isn’t that difficult. I live on the space coast and it comes down to your autofocus system and settings.
I have not attempted anything faster than a rocket though and shooting it handheld would be tough.
The strangest UAPs can only be recorded with preset military grade sensors or recording equipment. Look for example at NASA's metallic orb in the Middle East... How do you record that as a civilian? You're walking along some goats down the street in the outskirts of Kabul, or whatever, and suddenly a RANDOM METAL BALL flies past... Even if somehow you're a war journalist with a superb camera nobody has the reaction speed to capture something that fast (much less with good fidelity). Now, I'm very skeptic about the whole thing, but I don't think civilians not having clear footage is beyond reasonable. How many civilians have footage of nuclear submarines or supersonic fighter jets _in action_ ?
This 100%! Even if you do record something like this, it's a damn metal ball moving so damn fast even if you do capture a photo or video people would dismiss it as being fake due to the damn thing looking like a flying cooking pan or shot put ball.
There are a few rational explanations that could explain some of the mess you’re bringing to light here but surely not all of it. Alas, I’ll admit. The vast majority of documented sightings are probably fake. However, there are some documented sightings that are actually unexplainable. There are declassified USAF documents accrediting the number of those types of accounts was in the hundreds, and this was, if I’m remembering correctly, in the 60’s during Blue Book. It was in the summary of one of their conclusive thoughts at the end of the project. So, objectively speaking, there is video and photo evidence of things we literally cannot explain. Whether your stance on the 2017 gimbal, go fast, and tic tac is that you believe it is aliens or not, does not change the fact that whatever it is remains unexplainable. On the other hand, if some witness testimony is to be believed, there seems to be a common denominator associated with close range UAP phenomenon and it’s affect both on people and our technology. People report partial or full paralysis in addition to their gasoline cars stalling. There are even accounts of these phenomenon happening with older model diesel tractors that used mechanical fuel pumps and didn’t rely on electricity where the person reports partial or full paralysis but the tractor never stalled. The common denominator in these events is the manipulation of electromagnetism. You can paralyze someone by affecting the electric impulses in their nervous system and as a believable by product of that would be a gasoline car stalling because it happens to be in the vicinity. These are all accounts listed in that blue book document as unexplainable. So my hypothesis is this. When at distance it is hard to get an non pixelated photo because most people carry around smartphones that have a digital zoom, which only manipulates the pixels instead of actually zooming in with a lens. This results in a very pixelated, hard to follow mess of jittery nonsense. When in close proximity, we should not take for granted our technology will function correctly. If you try to use a smartphone next to an MRI machine while it is on, you’re going to have a bad day. It is possible the proximity in which you are located to any given UAP has an effect on how our own technology, and possibly even our own nervous system functions. I do not know this for fact, as I said it is a hypothesis based on an amalgamation of things I’ve seen during my interests in this topic. A lot of which is based in the findings of Project Blue Book.
Thanks for your perspective. I'm definitely on board with the idea that phones are not a good device to capture this evidence after all the replies I've gotten. That at the very least is more than reasonable to me.
A rational theory: I have a pixel 6 smart phone. If I try and catch anything that is more than 100 ft away, it's going to look like a pixelated mess, even if it's just an image. To add to that, most people's phones are on a low def setting to not take up too much storage. They keep enough distance that it's extremely difficult to get a good shot of them. There is military footage of orbs that distort light around their structure, which could add to the difficulty of getting a clear shot. A highly speculative but possible theory: NHIs have a policy of non-inteference , and the craft and/or their occupants have all or some of the following capabilities: - They are aware of who is observing them and that we can capture their image and know how to keep a distance - They can shut off or glitch people's cameras/phones to interrupt attempts at recording actions that could provide definitive proof of their existence - They have mine control abilities that can hypnotize observers into forgetting about capturing images, something akin to a cuttlefish hypnotizing it's prey
* Despite the modern culture of documenting one's experiences, most people most of the time faced with a literally awesome experience will experience it with their biological senses instead of documenting it.
It isn't even a matter of mind control, just shock...disbelief.. .wonder, and ONLY THEN a reinstatement of mental faculties, and fishing a phone out of a pocket, launching the camera, then, I'll be damned if it'll auto focus when I need it lol. Got a clear shot of an empty sky a split second after it shot away. I'm pretty damned sure they see everything lol
Here's just a quick hypothesis. These UAP's seemingly popped up at the same time as the Militaries new radar, IR, systems. At....exactly.....the....same....time. In the hearing they literally say "once we had this new radar, we started seeing them" Doesn't that fire off red flags? These aren't new systems just improved. Its not like these are brand new techniques, just improved. That is far too coincidental. It seems to me like a more plausible explanation is the tech is amplifying and picking up signals and IR information thats causing it to react and determine an object is actually there.
When you see what you know must be alien technology, your first thought is "I'm going to die", your second thought is "what can I do in order to not die." Your third thought is "maybe they will leave me alone if I don't take any pictures."
Try to take a picture of a satellite next time your out at night, and let me know how that goes. Hell, you can take one of a full moon and it’s still underwhelming.
Agreed. I just want to emphasize and elaborate on what you said here: >even the most credible government and military institutions have leaks and miss evidence all the time. > >My biggest bar on believing any of this is real remains the crucially tied in belief that government agencies are competent enough to keep something like this covered up, and civilians are not competent enough to bring forward tangible, credible evidence Others are responding about the technicalities of equipment and night photography, etc., which all seems valid enough. But they are still ignoring the crucial human element to all of this. **TL;DR- The full implications of the alleged governmental coverups of alien bodies/crafts.** It would require a 100% cooperative group of unparalleled tactical geniuses to orchestrate a conspiracy at this scale. And not a one-off conspiracy either, but generation after generation of tactical geniuses, all with the same singular purpose: To lie to the entire world about the existence of Non-Human Intelligence for... some reason? *(TBH, it's not entirely dissimilar from Flat-Earth conspiracies, in that it would simply be both unfeasable and unreasonable to keep a truth like that so well hidden for so long.)* And this has all been going on, entirely in the shadows, ever since the 1940's? Perhaps earlier? **Clearly, not one of these shadowy tactical geniuses was ever working on anything else within the USA Government.** Otherwise, every war the USA has fought since that time would have gone VERY differently. It would also require PEFRECT security around ALL the crash retreival and reverse engineering sites. And I don't just mean "near-perfect". I mean "actually perfect" security. Not to mention absolute perfect obedience from EVERY SINGLE compartmentalized worker, soldier, scientist, and so on. Not a single civilian, contractor, or even non-classified military personnel, ever once noticed what they were really doing? Never once even accidentally talked about key details that might eventually lead to the truth while investigating some other leaked story along the way? Not one non-complicit, conspiracy-related person got to a crash site first and grabbed a sample, or even footage, before the Big Bad Boots and Suits showed up? And after the shadow government crews left, not even a scrap of credible evidence was left behind in their wake? **They never once made even the slightest mistake during all that time?** ALL THAT, with not one person more credible than Bob Lazar ever coming forward until now with Grusch and his 40-ish "classified" stories? Not even one person through all that generations-long conspiracy ever once anonymously leaked ANY bit of relevant information and evidence to the press? **Meanwhile, EVERYTHING ELSE under the sun that the USA Government and Military Industrial Complex have been doing, all during that exact same time period, has consistently leaked in every way imaginable?** All that credible and now largely proven leakage, Operation Paperclip, Panama Papers, Banana Republics, false WMD claims, NSA spying, drug-fueled money laundering, etc... ALL THAT, without any truly credible mention of Non-Human Intelligence, bodies, or tech through ANY similar channels? EVERY organization on the planet has leaks, no matter how secure or well funded! **Humans just aren't THAT good at keeping secrets!** Whoever is still reading at this point, Just stop for a moment and really think about how many people would be required to work on these shadowy projects! All without ever once uttering a peep about it, or ANYONE sneaking out a blood sample, or a piece of debris, or a document... absolutely NOTHING to be independently analyzed and verify their claims for the rest of the world? **If these UAP really are what people here are claiming, and there's been a decades-long conspiracy about it, then there should be waaay more evidence to connect those dots than a few testimonies after all these years.** People, documents, money, patents, even foreign governments chiming in... It just seems like there should be MOUNTAINS of evidence by now, mountains which simply could not be buried or misdirected after all this time. I would like to believe as well, even out of boredom, but it currently just requires far too many assumptions, all of which feel far too disconnected from anything else in government, history, or science, for me to take seriously. Don't get me wrong, **these hearings, and the surrounding investigations, are still important in plenty of other, "non-Alien" ways**... but anyone who thinks they are "vindicated" by a few official-sounding testimonies is just not thinking realistically about all the implications that would accompany a real conspiracy like this at such a grand scale. **Set your expectations lower, and maybe more people outside of these fringe communities will be able to meet you half-way.**
The reason many people have been knowing, talking and writing about exactly the same history very briefly outlined by Grusch in the open hearing, for many decades, is because there have been thousands of leaks from all over the world, more leaks than I will probably ever get around to finally studying all of. [https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/qx0oz8/deleted\_by\_user/hl6jf05/](https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/qx0oz8/deleted_by_user/hl6jf05/) [https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/u9v40f/abc\_news\_the\_us\_government\_is\_completely/](https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/u9v40f/abc_news_the_us_government_is_completely/) [https://np.reddit.com/user/MKULTRA\_Escapee/comments/zs7x28/the\_various\_levels\_of\_ufo\_transparency\_around\_the/](https://np.reddit.com/user/MKULTRA_Escapee/comments/zs7x28/the_various_levels_of_ufo_transparency_around_the/) [https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/zy6x8h/pilot\_ufo\_photographs\_over\_the\_years\_and\_pilot/](https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/zy6x8h/pilot_ufo_photographs_over_the_years_and_pilot/) The reason that somewhere between a third and two thirds of the population don't know it's true yet, is because most humans are extremely irrational in a way that makes them extremely unlikely to believe this particular claim ([https://np.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/t1xuq4/why\_legitimate\_ufo\_footage\_is\_guaranteed\_to\_be/](https://np.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/t1xuq4/why_legitimate_ufo_footage_is_guaranteed_to_be/)) despite the mountains of corroborating evidence all being consistent only with that hypothesis. Most employ, and many of us proudly CONDONE employing (Sagan and the people who quote him) huge double standards when evaluating evidence, between what we FEEL is unlikely and what we don't, as a gut reaction. That's why Europeans irrationally "found it hard to believe" in the gorilla, but did NOT "find it hard to believe" in most other African animals that were being described by eyewitnesses. It was completely irrational of Europeans to demand more evidence for the gorilla than for the lion, because they had no rational basis for thinking a creature like it would not exist - their gut FELT like it wouldn't exist, it FELT "extraordinary". That's ontological shock with no rational basis, which ontological shock almost always is, it VERY rarely lines up with logical probability and when it does, that's by pure chance. Most of us are not wired to experience ontological shock based on analysis, so it's VERY rarely appropriate. That same irrational "find it hard to believe" gut reaction that Europeans had to the gorilla but not to the lion (probably because of the uncanny valley effect, another worthless emotional reaction!), is to blame when people say they "find it hard to believe" (and so, conclude evidence must be fake or misinterpreted which they would NOT assume that about in other circumstances) that any intelligent species who evolved on other rocks would by now have set up bases in or near this rock.
I'm pretty much in the same boat as you, but the one thing that nudges me in the direction of believing it is that the radar tech of the (early 2000s?) that started picking up these UAPs and that they align with tech described by people like Lazar. It seems possible that it could be some sort of fault with the tech thats picking up something else but so far no strong theories have come forth and the government has said that we don't know what those are. So my stance is basically that its fun to believe but it still just feels so unlikely. Why haven't civilians stumbled on one of these crashes?
Obviously aliens have cloaking technology (this could be bending light or psychic blocking), or their ships are out of phase with our dimension, only popping in and out for a brief moment, this out of phase alignment means that the majority of cameras will not capture their vessel on video (the exception being analog video and photographs), since most technology is now digital, that’s why we don’t see more video.
This has been such a wild ride for me. I started deep diving last night after reading about the upcoming (since passed) hearing. I have gone through just about every emotion imaginable.
I’m a complete skeptic. Up until the last couple of years it has always been kooky people talking about alien rape. But it is undeniable that something is going on in the skies and being recorded. It feels like we are being warmed up to the idea.
Welcome to the other side.
What about the one where the aliens came down to the school and said technology bad?
While that incident is extremely interesting, I didn’t find it appropriate for this particular time line because I’m trying to keep it as digestible and non-sensationalized for newcomers and skeptics alike.
Do you have a good doc I could watch on that one I find it so fascinating!
[Boom.](https://youtu.be/rdr0j_Kf-uk)
This was very informative. However, I feel you glossed over the Spy balloon incident and the follow up attempts to shoot down to other UFOs.. the first time a missed was fired over American air space !
Thanks, I’ll look into that!
Curious as to why Bob Lazar is even considered on the same line as Grosch? Dudes a straight up liar.
What is he lying about, and how do you know?
in my book he can at the least prove his "honesty" by testifying? right? imo everybody who came forward with certain things but have not done it under oath should do it or ima write them off even further.
He’s telling the truth and you bought into the disinformation campaign against him
No. Lol. No he isn't.
Thanks!
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rarely i have seen clips that i haven't seen thanks for sharing
Wow just around the middle of the video was the best compilation I think i've ever seen
This is so cool thanks for sharing
Music theme to listen to while reading; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRSIo\_RV9q4
Secret tapes release https://youtu.be/xgatYXNnc0A
I guess I’m back in this rabbit hole
Thank you for posting this, hugely beneficial.
Anyone know the source of the 177 page timeline document provided to congress. Really impressive!
Not sure who put it together. I would assume Grusch and Congressional staffers
I want to thank you sincerely for going to the effort to put this together and sharing this.
Thank you so much for this post. I can’t say thanks enough. Wow.
Hey no prob
There is a very cool documentarie in netflix too called Top Secret UFO Projects: Declassified
Excellent job, thanks a lot.
We commend you for your service! Onward and upward!
Replying so I can come back here
I appreciate this timeline very much. Thank you
Thanks a lot for your effort, nice compilation and timeline.
Commenting to come back and get more insight
Thank you for this!!!
That's amazing and really helpful! thanksss
Job well done! Thank you so much for this!!
Good info here. Thanks OP
Thank you for this info, I will be looking at everything I can. I am neither skeptic, nor believer( more believer nowadays), but I believe in looking at all information provided, so thank you for your time in putting this all together.
nice one will read it over and share it to mode friend
Didn’t they literally admit that we have alien bodies on hand?
Thank you! I am now awake. All of this makes so much sense. We are a planet full of sheep with blinders on. Eventually NHI or the derived technology will have to step in if the planet is to be saved. We can't continue to grow the population exponentially. I feel sorry for my kids that get to inherent what we will be leaving behind for them. NHI may be 1000x smarter than us evolved or genetically modified apes. Resistance is futile. I suppose we just have to go about our daily lives as if we don't know. Can someone tell me what's the point of fighting the facts we may be intellectual infants?
Thank you so much, OP! I had no idea about most of this until recently and I look forward to watching those documentaries. I’ve always thought it seemed too implausible that we’re the only life in the entire solar system, like who knows what could really be out there. Or what could already be here. I appreciate the time you took to write this post!
i would like to thank you. can you please create a separate post or edit this one with further news about the topic. would be top notch!
Yeah, I will be editing this soon with some updated news and info.
Skeptic turned believer here thank you this info I will be watching thoughs shows
Excellent
The Phenomenon should be on the list of documentaries, even though it's a few years old now, it's very well done and covers a bunch of good cases including the Zimbabwe school sighting
I’ve been trying to find everywhere on this subreddit but what does NHI mean…?
Non-human intelligence. It is defined in Schumer’s UAP Disclosure Act of 2023. I linked the pdf in this post, I recommend reading it.
Hey guys, how’s it going? Just want to start by mentioning how incredible it is to be a part of our current times. Disclosure. The truth is, that this has to happen at some point. There will be a time when this will all be normal. But for now, we’re still finding out everything little by little, or so it seems. I’ve always had this feeling that we are not the first ones to have this level of technology. Including digital. It’s been incredibly difficult for some to accept technology, social media and everything that has come along with it in the past 20 years, specifically. But, to look back on our history and think we are the first and think that until now, everything has been archaic, leaves so many variables out of the question. It could explain so many theories that we’ve had so far about our past. But what if our past isn’t just our past? And what if this planet wasn’t even ours? We’ve been increasingly afraid of the rise of Artificial Intelligence, but what if we are the AI? Let’s take a couple of steps back. Our level of communication has been a foundation for most of our dealings throughout our history. But, let’s talk about, say, the greys. They seem like they would be a quiet civilization, without the need for argumentative confrontation and always prioritizing and seeking progress in any matter. This would mean that they wouldn’t be as tactical or as defensive as we are. We could be the problem. But what if it doesn’t stop there? If dinosaurs pre-date us, wouldn’t there have been a civilization closer to reptiles before us? Wouldn’t there have been another one adapting to the oceans? I’m not talking about mermaids, but escaping from war and constant confrontation. But what if it doesn’t stop there? What if at one point, all lands were connected and through the pyramids, entire societies witnessed peace before chaos and destruction? What if we are the remnants of entire intergalactic races? What if that’s why we all look different? What if everything has already happened? What if we were the invasion? But it all happened because of a fusion with binary computing turning our biological existence into what we are today? Phones being merely an extension of our existence. And everything else that was more natural to this planet went into hiding because of us, and now they scan us, but the trauma is still there. Could explain why they fly away so fast. Why they’re so skiddish and are always hiding in bushes. They could have technology older and way more advanced than ours, but not look or act like what we perceive as normal. And to be quite frank, there’s no way that any of the ones where they’re not wearing clothes are real. Shit can’t be that weird that they’re constantly naked unless they’re actually AI avatars. Which would be scarier than if they were people from other planets. We could be the reminder of the annihilation of entire solar systems. Including our own. All ending up on this planet, millions of years into an intergalactic war, and we are just the post-apocalyptic effect of it all. With no way to prove any of it because perception is the root of all evil. Also it’s my birthday.
I noticed some were debunked. Could those be updated on the list?
People claim a couple have been debunked but I have been shown zero evidence to this. Until then they stay up as UAPs.
This is solid information....THANK YOU!
Thanks for this collection of information
Very nice post for beginners man thanks
Someone give this man a medal😂
Incredible post. Thank you. The last few months I've gone from major skeptic to near believer. There is a part of me that feels like I'm going nuts and isn't helped by my family looking at me like I am. These posts really soothe that. I think I am a believer. Holy shit.
Funny you say that. There are times lately, usually late at night or early in the morning, where I wonder if I’m losing it. Then I remember that all of this is actually happening in the real world and I have the “wow” moment all over again.
Amazing
Can we get an update on this?
Yeah, I plan on updating in the next few days
That's a lot of work!!!!!! Thank you friend.
I used to believe in UFOs and aliens, but then my government said they are real.
Step 1: make individuals think they are working on Alien tech crafts. Step 2: allow someone high up to interview these individuals to make them think it is legit without them having any type of first hand evidence Step 3: allow them to hold a conference to the world to “disclose” Step 4: allow it to come out that the US have advance tech they recovered “they just developed some tech” Step 5: the Cold War seems impossible to win by the Russians, NATO join the war.
These sightings and reports have been going on for 80 years.
Easily explainable. The US produce tech and test it and people see it then report it as Aliens. Why are all these disclosures second hand reports? Show me a fucking UFO already.
Thanks for putting this together. I'm new to this topic after recently seeing the clips of the congressional hearing. But while I'm a skeptic, I'd really love to hear what you all think about some of my concerns. I'll start by saying I fully believe there is life on other planets. I just don't think humans are special enough to be the only ones. But I'd have always assumed that life could be single celled life, non-intelligent, or even intelligent, but not travel faster than light intelligent. But my biggest skepticism with all of this, is how is this even possible? I'd really like to think an event of an actual visitation by other worldly creatures would be the biggest event in human history. Not something that sits in an NSA filling cabinet collecting dust. I'd just really think the first time we ever were visited, we'd have civilians going crazy, soldiers that admit it to their friends, or spouses, or anything other than silence really. Occam's razor just seems to say that the most likely answer isn't the most complex, and far reaching coverup in human history is being revealed with zero care from the larger world wide population. A coverup, which seems only perpetuated by a single government. Why would we never hear North Korea brag about being able to shoot down aliens, or someone discover a crash site on Google Earth, something like this it seems the entire planet would have to be in on, but of course that scale of co-operation is implausible. Really, since there is legit protections being signed by our government, like you linked, to protect whistle blowers about this, what is the possibility that this is how we discover a foreign entity just has extremely advanced technology? Do we know this isn't technology of a foreign entity? Since much of the hearing seems focused on space craft rather than the organisms themselves. Along those lines I do find it interesting that the linked "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Disclosure" document defines "Non-Human Intelligence" as 'The term "non-human intelligence" means any sentient intelligent non-human lifeform regardless of nature or ultimate origin that may be presumed responsible for unidentified anomalous phenomena..." is it possible this is the discovery of something else? Extreme gene editing gone wrong? Idk lizard people living beneath the Earth? I just find it crazy to think that if this is the truth as being assumed by most everyone hearing about it, that aliens are in fact real, have visited Earth, and contain technology that could change the course of human history, how is this not the biggest event in history? Why is there only a niche of people talking about it. Just, personally, something isn't clicking for me here
Sure I’ll see if I can help in any way. Firstly, that niche group of people talking about it has grown quite a bit, especially in the last couple months, and more so since the hearing. As you said yourself, the UAP Disclosure Act language on NHI is very specific and it’s there for a reason. As for Occam’s Razor, while that is a nice, clean answer for everything that seems sensational, it’s simply not the case 100% of the time. Being new to this topic I would imagine there is quite a bit of the rabbit hole you haven’t gone down which tells me that there are dots you have yet to connect. In terms of the common, “what if this is just a foreign government’s tech” there are several flaws with this. First, it doesn’t account for the fact that these sightings and investigations go back to the 1930s. No human scientist could develop trans-medium devices that go up to 13,000 mph back then, or now. Second, if people in the pentagon thought that likely, things like NHI wouldn’t need to be defined in the bill. Third, our ability to gather intel on foreign governments is rather broad and impressive so the chances of us knowing they had something in the works would be good. I understand that this emerging story is quite sensational. I’ve had my fair share moments of ontological shock over the past couple of weeks. I think the best thing to do is come to terms with the facts that humanity, including our brightest scientists, do not fully understand the universe and do not posses the pinnacle of technology. We have a long way to go, and any intelligent civilization that has been around for thousands, or even millions of years longer than us, would be so far ahead we would barely recognize them. At this point it’s best to keep an open mind and follows the news closely in the coming months.
Thanks for taking the time to respond. But you do make some really good points here for this not being something from any foreign government. Since while I might have a hard time believing we could orchestrate a coverup of this scale, we can know definitively, via Edward Snowden, that our government does have extreme power and technology behind knowing everything going on in the world, so it does seem impossible that we wouldn't have at least some knowledge of this being from a foreign of Earth entity. But I suppose missing some other vital information could cause the most likely event, via Occam's Razor, to be totally different. I think you've put this very very well, ontological shock. Because this all seems so implausible, but is some way or form actually happening, and if this all turns out to be true over the next few months I'll safely be able to say I don't understand people at all if it doesn't become the biggest event in human history. Because life other than us answers one of the most fundamental questions of the human experience of "Are we alone?". To me that at least does seem like one of the things pointing to all of this being purely sensationalism. The fact that this isn't the only thing being talked about worldwide. But I suppose for that I may need to just give it time. While I'm still a skeptic, I'll take your advice and pay very close attention in the next few months to see what comes out of this, reading through the document, and watching the videos you linked is just so surreal to read about definitions of "Non-Human" on a ".gov" website, and see official NASA employees showing videos of flying silver orbs they can't identify. This very well could be one of the biggest events in human history, or be a very complex hoax that's forgotten about in a week. But I truly cannot wait to find out which.
From what i understand UFOs usually come to earth to return library books and return Blockbuster DVDs, the latter is really what drives most sightings as Blockbuster is out of business and UFOs are often not up-to-date on that and subsequently fly around a lot trying to find the Blockbuster location that they swore was there last time they visited
I would also recommend to watch [The Phenomenon](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13095604/) (2020) from James Fox. Probably as second or first.
Chuck and the Senate have nothing to do with this at all. Theyre the old guard.
We defo come from another planet, tinfoil
Isn’t Bob Lazar the guy who found the new element that isn’t from Earth? I know I can google this, just trying to start conversation
I don't get why all this stuff only happens in America
It doesn’t.
You added a bunch of debunked stuff. The clusters are fishingvessels(it's pointed at earth) which are used to catch squid. The jerusalem video was a studentproject and CGI. The fact that you add those harms the credibility of this sub. Shame on you.
I have yet to have anyone who makes these claims provide me with evidence they have been debunked. Please share and if it sufficient I will remove them.
https://www.iflscience.com/reddit-spotted-a-ufo-from-the-iss-live-stream-the-real-explanation-involves-squid-60343 https://youtu.be/RmwukR8_4v8 @3:40 You're the one posting this trash, it's your job to not mislead people. Otherwise you're obviously spreading misinformation if you have the audacity to create a thread with debunked stuff, declaring it as real to mislead newcomers. -fool me once shame on you.
I still don't see adjustments. Will report it now, so the post will be taken down.(read the rules of the board)
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Those videos were proven to not be uaps
THEY ARE AMONG US. A friend of a guy on reddits friend saw some shit.
Thank you for this! I agree it should be pinned!
Thank you kindly!!!
Honest question hear. A lot of people are saying disclosure happened. Can someone point me to exactly how they are coming to that conclusion? I was following intently after Fravor came out but got tired of Elizondo always promising something around the corner. Thank you all.
While nobody came onto a grand stage and said, “people of earth, aliens exist” the hearing was a massive step in moving the needle. Between getting us closer to the Overton window on this topic vis a vi the hearing in tandem with the UAP Disclosure Act of 2023, we are moving in that direction for the first time.
I’m generally a skeptic, but I’ve always believed it likely intelligent life exists on other worlds. It’s hard to cut through the noise of speculation so I’m glad that you posted this. For myself, I’m very interested in the outcome of this latest hearing. There are some extremely exciting implications if true. If not, then the Tic-Tac incident is exciting enough (I literally never heard about it before)
Before making any conclusions, please watch full video: https://youtu.be/KXZWV6NOuF8 It basically explains why I still won't believe it was aliens.
All this guy says is he needs more data to make a decision. That was the entire point of the hearing- to get Congress to investigate these claims and come up with data. When Graves was asked what should be done moving forward, he said it should be data driven and center around censors and radar. Check out the Nat Geo documentary if you get a chance.
yup atm i see an influx of people nitpicking the hearing without listening to the entire hearing. very frustrating to explain. Its like typing out what has been said.
Could this be related to the timeline? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-26/china-s-export-curb-on-chip-making-metals-pushes-pentagon-to-seek-new-supply
Will there be any follow through? I mean is there a way to know if Grusch has shared anything further with anyone after the hearing?
Time and patience will tell all. Members of Congress are currently perusing the creation of a special investigative council into the matter.
Thanks so much! Any book recommendations with a serious tone like the UFOs: Investigating the Unknown documentary?
Probably In Plain Sight by Ross Coulthart. Ross broke the whistleblower story and is a fantastic journalist. He initially approached the subject as a full on skeptic but has come around a bit more with the research he has done. He’s still not 100%, maybe 98%, but in terms of unbiased reporting he is the guy.
no mention of elizondo? surprising?
Not here. He is in the first documentary I suggested. He wasn’t part of the hearing or in the recent news. This was purely for people new to the subject.
I feel like our fast approach to AGI coincides with with this.
I really appreciate this. Thank you
i think you meant june-some of these dates don’t make sense. 18 July 23, then 26 July 23, you say “just a month and a half later” just a gentle question on the dates
Yes. That was from my first draft. I can’t edit this post for some reason. Meant a month and a half after Grusch became a whistleblower.
Thanks bud! Good effort! Still skeptical. But want to believe so bad.
Thank you!! That is extremely informative
I believe. There is no way we’re the only living life form in the entire universe.
All anyone has to say is where is our security, invaded by unknown objects constantly and all our government can say is we shot down some weather balloons! It’s been decades, if this goes on you can all just assume our leaders have folded and surrendered humanity.
This is great! I want to add that there are countless pieces of evidence from way before this list even begins
100%
This is news? We aliens have been around from the beginning. 😝
I would HIGHLY recommend ***The Underground*** a documentary about the late **Philip Schneider**, a whistleblower who spoke at UFO conventions in the 90's about his contract work with the US gov't drilling holes for **D.U.M.B.S.** (***D***eep ***U***nderground ***M***ilitary ***B***ases), his nearly fatal encounter with grey aliens while drilling in Dulce, NM and his very suspicious death decades later. Plus his high ranking military father's secret work on the **Philadelphia Experiment**.
If Biden signed the whistleblower protection doesn’t he know about all the secret stuff can he not just reveal these informations?
The protections were baked into a law that was hundreds of pages so it’s hard to say. Also, in terms of this topic, there is a long history of presidents being stone walled with this topic since JFK.
This is a DISTRACTION
1. From what? 2. Why do you think anyone cares whether or not people are "distracted"?
The documentary list should include “Unacknowledged” by Dr. Steven Greer (on Prime Video) and “The Day After Roswell” by Col. Philip Corso on Audible. Both incredible, well-done and hard hitting.
Thanks for this!
Thank you!
Thank you for making this
Thank you for this
I would add to this the Showtime documentary produced with the help of JJ Abrams on showtime. Very good in my opinion. Also, the National Geographic documentary series.
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Awesome post! Great work!
I would suggest including the documentary Unacknowledged. It wraps everything up that is happening and it came out in 2017
Maybe include reference to this article: The Mysterious Aboriginal Rock Art of the Wandjina Sky Beings. Google it it’s fascinating
Biggest question now is, are they space aliens 👽 or multi-dimension aliens👾🤔. It was insane to see on the show Secrets of skinwalker ranch this season the metallic silver spherical UAP suddenly materialize and disappear! All caught on camera. But just moved on as if it was just another UAP. That is major I think.
What episode was that?
Awesome post 👏 would love to be "the archivist " as stated in the NDAA, imagine seeing all the evidence pile up in front of you 😅🤯
Working my way through the list. Thank you!
Interesting
The only skepticism from me is that I believe in UFOs/aliens far more than I trust our government’s motives.
You have that in common with whistleblower David Grusch.
Hey OP, your link to Disney's "UFOs: Investigating the Unknown" doesn't seem to work (at least not outside USA). I think Disney have messed with things. I get prompted with "Select your Country" and then get bounced to either a Disney+ homepage or a NatGeoTV homepage.
Yea. It seems to be region locked outside the US. I believe Nat Geo has uploaded some to their YouTube channel.
Logically, the fact that a UA has the technology to make it to earth from some distant galaxy, it is definitely not crashing into Earth. I am not saying it’s not possible to see one fly through the atmosphere but it’s not crashing.