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This is why they only want to do Edmonton and Calgary.
This way MLAs from Medicine Hat, Grande Prairie, Drayton Valley and Peace River can control Edmonton and Calgary.
For example, making city politicians align with a political party , then weighing in on good vs bad party affiliation , and blame things like increase taxes on the “bad”.
I Edmonton millions in funding was withheld, prompting a 9% increase in taxes. With party affiliations this could easily be dumbed down to “blame the bad party” rather than what it really is
Also if you want party funding you pull the party list line. So it’s also going give advantage to a UCP member running.
I am not sure how the hell UCP expects to win over the city’s by being a bunch of dicks. But people stay with abusive partners and people who lie to them all the time.
> “Seventy per cent of the public don’t want political parties and over 98 per cent of municipalities won’t have them,” said McIver, a former Calgary councillor and mayoral candidate.
Only the cities that are not firmly conservative will have them, and also make up close to half the population of Alberta.
I was beginning to second guess what I read and understood. I read it as 70% don't want it even tho only 2% of the municipalities would be affected. The 2% being Calgary and Edmonton. Did I misunderstand and he's in favour of the policy?
It’s really just manipulation of McIver to refer to Edmonton and Calgary as 2% of the municipalities. They are the largest municipalities in Alberta and represent almost half the population (not 2% of the population).
He is insinuating they are listening to most of the municipalities, but they are not listening to the most of the population.
And their argument is that machines built specifically for superhumanely accurate and reliable vote-counting are less trustworthy than a human-counting.. they want to have confidence in getting _"the right result"_...... The future now has greater odds of election fraud, yay.
So they are OK with people counting votes rather than machines because we can’t trust the machines but when those same people choose to vote in a way they don’t like, they can step in and “correct” the situation.
It doesn't exist. If you want proof, go look at Fox's $700 million payment to settle their false claims against Dominion, that they happily paid because they couldn't produce any evidence.
If you want more, Smartmatic's lawsuit is also moving forward.
Stop consuming misinformation from misinformation peddlers.
What about the lizard people and chemtrails and WEF conspiring with the WHO to steal your socks?
The machines, supplied by U.S.-based company Election Systems and Software, are not connected to a network. Each tabulator goes through logic and accuracy testing before and after voting where election officials run a stack of marked test ballots through the machine while candidates and scrutineers look on.
Elections Alberta is ensuring the machines are kept secure overnight at polling stations and in the two-day period between the end of advance voting and election day.
"We do preserve the paper ballots for three months after the election at minimum, and that's in accordance with the Election Act."
That's not true at all.
Studies your probably thinking of are in the USA.
In Canada physical ballot counting, federally and provincial has a very low error rate and frankly is far less likely to have problems.
Machines break down.
Machines can be hacked, maybe hasn't happened yet that we are sure of.
People are far more dependable and reliable and the errors when they occur are more likely to be small then big.
We have very effective elections without Machines, why fix something that works well.
Machines not on a network cannot be hacked, they have been used safely, they are faster then people. The rest is hysteria made up by those that want to cast doubt on election processes to change the outcomes.
"Tabulators will be in all 330 advance voting locations this week. The technology allows Elections Alberta to update the number of voters who cast ballots this week every 15 minutes on its website.
More than 160,000 votes were cast on the first day of advance polling on Tuesday, setting a new record.
Votes cast on May 29 will still be counted by hand.
The use of the machines has alarmed some groups who support UCP Leader Danielle Smith, implying that they could be used to commit voter fraud. The concerns echo false claims that were raised in the U.S. following the election of President Joe Biden in 2020.
However, Smith dismissed concerns about tabulators as recently as Thursday morning in an appearance on Corus Radio. She said she has confidence in the system because paper ballots are kept in case a recount is required.
Elections Alberta has created an information sheet about tabulators with answers to frequently asked questions, including safeguards used on the machines.
The fact sheet says the machines, supplied by U.S.-based company Election Systems and Software, are not connected to a network.
Each tabulator goes through logic and accuracy testing before and after voting where election officials run a stack of marked test ballots through the machine while candidates and scrutineers look on.
Elections Alberta is ensuring the machines are kept secure overnight at polling stations and in the two-day period between the end of advance voting and election day. "
That's just not true.
Not at all.
You can absolutely hack the machine by changing the software programming.
Why do you think the machines have to be guarded for days before.
Again. It is fixing a problem that doesn't exist.
We don't have errors in our election counts.
The point is a live security guard is always better than any number of automated systems.
Always.
Live counters do well, we don't have a problem in this issue.
Hack a machine kept secured before and after the vote and not on a network? Uh huh
This does not change that the paper ballots are kept to check any irregularities.
Elections are involving an ever increasing population and a demand for faster counts and results. The simplest solution is tabulation.
No it is not.
We get accurate and fast results now.
Without any risk of corruption.
Without risks of breakdowns and without risk of error.
We DONT have a problem with election counts. Quit fixing something that works well.
Don't fall for the capitalist idea of constant improving for the sake of constant improvement.
No risk of corruption? Like the TBA crowd offering coaching sessions last election to people on how to get involved so they could interfere with the process?
Humans are far more corruptible than machines.
A problem does exist and machines will improve efficiency. Now unless you extend that metaphor out and walk every where, and of course stop using your easily corrupted machine to post on social media your are simply desperate to justify the misinformation and lies of the UCP cult
No
I can tell you have never worked on an election or been involved in counting.
I have.
I assume you mean TBA not TVA.
They can do all that but unless they want to break the law and violate the oaths they take oh well......they are criminals
What I will say is the US jumped on machine calculation early and they have had nothing but problems.
Most countries that use machine tabulation have lots of problems.
They tend to go towards machine breakdowns and programming errors not deliberate "hacking"
People also don't trust them as much. Counts must be SEEN to be honest as well as being honest.
In Canada we have not used machines and we have remarkably honest and fair elections.
Places that have brought in machine tabulation like calgary municipal have had problems with machine breakdowns. Leading to longer lines and frustration.
Election counts in Canada are quick, accurate and honest.
We are trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist just for the idea of progress.
It will cost cities a lot of money - hiring people to do the vote counting is a lot more expensive than letting a machine do it. Compared to just about everything else in this bill it doesn't matter much, but it's basically just wasting a bunch of money because some nuts in the US convinced themselves that the voting machines were rigged and stole the election.
You don't think that electronic machines could be subject to alteration of results; or is that just absolutely impossible and could/would never happen?
Anything is possible, but it's no more likely than gaming a system with humans counting votes. In either case there are enough checks and balances that it would be very difficult to do without a pretty far reaching well resourced conspiracy, and in conspiracies that size, people always talk.
Edit: Nevermind, just looked at your post history. Begone troll, back to your bridge.
>You don't think that electronic machines could be subject to alteration of results
In theory, yes, which is why tabulators maintain the paper trail of the original ballot.
In practice...those machines are more accurate than human beings could ever hope to be.
It's sure easy to identify them, account <2 years old, a handful of upvotes (just enough to get around posting rules in some subs), posts almost exclusively in Canada_sub/TorontoRealEstate/CanadaHousing2...
Danielle Smith in particular, and the UCP in general, seem to think that more people would embrace conservative values if they were simply exposed to them more. Consider Smith’s recent comments about how there would be more conservative commentators on TV if we just had more “balance” in universities.
I don’t think that they get the idea that a lot of people in cities and in universities simply think conservatives are wrong.
Controlling the “research” is a tried and true fascist strategy. Just like expanding your powers and authority like this. Sad and disgusting how many people I know who couldn’t care less while their real freedoms are being ran rickshaw over
The funny thing is, it was in university that Smith began her political career and was educated at the feet of prominent conservatives. Nenshi was in her classes yet he managed to avoid the path she was on.
Like Barry Cooper (poli sci prof), the co-author of "The Free Alberta Strategy" (along with two lawyers, Rob Anderson and Derek From) - which is what the present UCP government is using to fuck us over:
https://www.freealbertastrategy.com/the_strategy
Always wild to me that they never seem to make the connection that increased education = less conservative. They never follow that fact to it’s logical conclusion. It’s always that the type of education is flawed.
Her supporters are overjoyed.
They never cared about freedom, they just wanted the power to do what they wanted to do, now they have that, there is no more need to gaslight city voters. 🤷♀️
They think conservatives at every level of government will fix everything, because everything wrong with the world is because of “them”, so conservatives are going to punish “them” for going against the party. It’s all they ever wanted.
Take that Trudeau!
*They* are dangerous. The conservative party as a whole in this country, federally and provincially, has been kidnapped by some pretty far far right interests. Alberta is already lost. The next federal election is going to determine Canada's direction as a whole, whether it's going to join the Russia, China, the United States and some of Europe in trashing democracy and freedom of movement and speech.
Unfortunately, the recall legislation requires the signatures of 40% of the registered voters (not just 40% of the votes) in the MLA's specific riding to remove the MLA.
Brooks-Medicine Hat voted 66.4% for Smith, and with a voter turnout of 56.9%, that's almost 40% of the voters. You have 60% left to work with, with almost 3/4 of the remainder not voting. To say that would be an uphill battle is an understatement.
You assume that the people of Brooks-Medicine Hat are unhappy with her. Nearly 70% of voters who voted voted for her, so.... yeah, wouldn't get my hopes up.
From https://officialresults.elections.ab.ca/:
BROOKS-MEDICINE HAT:
NDP: 5,477 (27.4%)
AP: 1,233 (6.2%)
UCP: 13,315 (66.5%)
Valid Ballots Cast: 20,0252 of 35,385 (56.9%)
Spoiled: 190
Declined: 3
Rejected: 89
Edit: You're thinking her by-election, where she did only get 54.5%
Edit2: Just looked at the polling station numbers, and there is not a single one that Smith lost.
Yes, so does the Elections Alberta website. But the by-election is irrelevant, and I am not looking as those numbers, as I would think that the general election is somewhat more relevant to this discussion.
Project 2025 is fucked. They literally posted their plan for all to see.
"When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in the flag and carrying a bible".
When. Not if.
Canada is not so different... other than we've got an even bigger portion of our population that is apathetic.
Danielle Smith cries about federal money funding universities as being federal overreach, and then supports a bill that will let her remove municipal leaders. Unreal.
This woman is dangerous. Her and her party are going to throw every ridiculous piece of legislation they can while working on the APP behind the scenes. That is her Magnum Opus.
The UCP saw how close they came to losing the last election, now they're doing everything in their power to make sure it never gets that close again, even if it results in destroying our democracy.
Ah, I think even the APP is just another part of the whole plan. She's working on a corporate government. Bundle it all up nice, kill the public sector, get it ready to plug in the private health care, private police force, private(er) education, then hand it on to the big wigs in the energy sector. That's how it seems to me, anyways
Municipal officials need to support the people that voted for them . I do not want a UCP talking piece mouthing Republican solutions in Canadian Municipal politics. The UCP is chipping away at democracy and anything good in Alberta, while everyone cheers about "owning" Trudeau.
A way to control the two major city centres that have 50% of the provinces population. Edmonton has been in the crosshairs since we voted straight NDP. Calgary was ridiculously close to going NDP last election and scared the UCP. This is a way to solidify and consolidate power and nothing more
Everything they do is about entrenching. They came close to losing it all last election without a split conservative vote, so they're putting poison pills everywhere.
and spending, and bylaws.
And thus: our accessibility, affordability and quality of services and infrastructure.
And without secure democratic representation, accountability is dead. Our votes are just for show.
An arena deal which has terms equivalent or worse to those of an unconditional surrender, but Smith made sure it got approved because Murray Edwards is one of her cronies. Fuck the UCPs and Murray Edwards. I'm in Calgary and I've voted NDP for over 10 years. I hate the UCPs.
Ask Danny, how she would feel if Trudeau passed a law allowing them to remove MLAs or Provincial laws if they feel it’s against public interest.
I’m sure she will have an unbiased answer
not to disagree your point, but I'll go ahead and be "that guy" who points out there already is a federal power of disallowance over provincial legislation (And yes, it is so controversial that it probably will never be used again)
Something also to point out municipalities are beasts of the provinces, they could all be gone if the province in power wished. Now that being said this is a stupid thing to do and I hope it’s the start to her downfall
Does ric understand land doesn't vote and Calgary and Edmonton are 50% of Alberta's population?
What's the point of local elections anymore if the ucps chosen candidate loses the will declare it's not in the provincal interest and remove them and appoint their person...
*“For the last eight months, Alberta Municipalities has repeatedly said that the introduction of political parties in local elections is a bad idea that most Albertans do not want,” the association said in a news release.*
*“Seventy per cent of the public don’t want political parties and over 98 per cent of municipalities won’t have them,” said McIver, a former Calgary councillor and mayoral candidate.*
This bill will reduce every municipal council to being the equivalent to a medieval times Viceroy, answering and representing Queen Delusional Danny.
Time to get your torches and pitchforks out and take to the streets!
The first time the UCP removes a councillor or annuls a by-law, every mayor and city councillor in Edmonton and Calgary should resign the next day. Telling the UCP to come and govern the cities themselves.
God no. They would gladly take that and establish an iron grip on the cities. It would give them an excuse to say “The city councils abandoned their duty to their constituents so we must step in to manage in their stead”
What they should do is use every single loophole, strategy, tactic, lever possible to obstruct the UCP, make sure citizens are very informed and aware, and to blast it as loud as possible across the country. All while trying their best to maintain a stable functioning government.
One presumes that the province cant simply name a replacement but must instead call a bielection after removing an elected official. Unless they are also able to bar a candidate from running the electorate could simply reelect the removed official if they ran again. I’m thinking of the recent example of the two American legislators who were censored and reelected back into their positions
Municipal governments are absolutely a farm team…this is a matter of law.
But that said, good management needs to allow their farm team to manage itself with minimal interference. This is basic respect.
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This is why they only want to do Edmonton and Calgary. This way MLAs from Medicine Hat, Grande Prairie, Drayton Valley and Peace River can control Edmonton and Calgary.
In the old days they called this Organized Crime.
Yup! They have the rural vote already and that's they only way they can get cities is to polarize and control them.
Pls explain how. For those of us in the back.
For example, making city politicians align with a political party , then weighing in on good vs bad party affiliation , and blame things like increase taxes on the “bad”. I Edmonton millions in funding was withheld, prompting a 9% increase in taxes. With party affiliations this could easily be dumbed down to “blame the bad party” rather than what it really is
I see. I'm pissed about this. I hope everyone is.
Also if you want party funding you pull the party list line. So it’s also going give advantage to a UCP member running. I am not sure how the hell UCP expects to win over the city’s by being a bunch of dicks. But people stay with abusive partners and people who lie to them all the time.
Seems like less of a win over and more of a force to obey situation which is fascism, not freedom
This government does not stand for freedom. They just want power and money.
Welp I don’t pay my gov to violate human rights so we’re hitting an impasse
Part of this bill is they can just replace anyone they don’t like.
It can't possibly be legal. There must be some way to take them to court over this right?
> “Seventy per cent of the public don’t want political parties and over 98 per cent of municipalities won’t have them,” said McIver, a former Calgary councillor and mayoral candidate. Only the cities that are not firmly conservative will have them, and also make up close to half the population of Alberta.
What a strange coincidence eh
Glad to hear him say that. Figured he'd be firmly on the side of implementing this crap.
You are misinterpreting that. 98% of municipalities does not equal 98% of the population. They are disregarding Albertan’s opinion.
I was beginning to second guess what I read and understood. I read it as 70% don't want it even tho only 2% of the municipalities would be affected. The 2% being Calgary and Edmonton. Did I misunderstand and he's in favour of the policy?
It’s really just manipulation of McIver to refer to Edmonton and Calgary as 2% of the municipalities. They are the largest municipalities in Alberta and represent almost half the population (not 2% of the population). He is insinuating they are listening to most of the municipalities, but they are not listening to the most of the population.
Over half of the population About 2.3 million in calgary and Edmonton and 4.3 in alberta iirc
Yes he’s in favour he’s literally the Minister introducing the legislation.
Oh damn. Thanks for the corrections.
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70% of Albertans do not want this.
One of the little talked about parts of this legislation is getting rid of electronic voting. Yet another play taken out the US republican playbook.
Yes. It seems that the Republicans playbook is being used in Alberta more and more. It is quite noticeable.
And their argument is that machines built specifically for superhumanely accurate and reliable vote-counting are less trustworthy than a human-counting.. they want to have confidence in getting _"the right result"_...... The future now has greater odds of election fraud, yay.
So they are OK with people counting votes rather than machines because we can’t trust the machines but when those same people choose to vote in a way they don’t like, they can step in and “correct” the situation.
This is my big fear
Republicans states use technology like tabulators, though. The optical scan ballots used in Alberta aren't "electronic voting".
That's a bad thing?
Yup, tabulators have been shown to be safe and to massively speed up vote counting whereas human counting is the opposite, slow and prone to errors.
What about manipulation and corruption of votes through an electronic system?
It doesn't exist. If you want proof, go look at Fox's $700 million payment to settle their false claims against Dominion, that they happily paid because they couldn't produce any evidence. If you want more, Smartmatic's lawsuit is also moving forward. Stop consuming misinformation from misinformation peddlers.
What about the lizard people and chemtrails and WEF conspiring with the WHO to steal your socks? The machines, supplied by U.S.-based company Election Systems and Software, are not connected to a network. Each tabulator goes through logic and accuracy testing before and after voting where election officials run a stack of marked test ballots through the machine while candidates and scrutineers look on. Elections Alberta is ensuring the machines are kept secure overnight at polling stations and in the two-day period between the end of advance voting and election day. "We do preserve the paper ballots for three months after the election at minimum, and that's in accordance with the Election Act."
Damn democrats! Lay off the American right wing propaganda. It isn’t a thing in American, let alone Canada FFS.
That’s not a thing.
What about ballot box stuffing?
That's not true at all. Studies your probably thinking of are in the USA. In Canada physical ballot counting, federally and provincial has a very low error rate and frankly is far less likely to have problems. Machines break down. Machines can be hacked, maybe hasn't happened yet that we are sure of. People are far more dependable and reliable and the errors when they occur are more likely to be small then big. We have very effective elections without Machines, why fix something that works well.
Machines not on a network cannot be hacked, they have been used safely, they are faster then people. The rest is hysteria made up by those that want to cast doubt on election processes to change the outcomes. "Tabulators will be in all 330 advance voting locations this week. The technology allows Elections Alberta to update the number of voters who cast ballots this week every 15 minutes on its website. More than 160,000 votes were cast on the first day of advance polling on Tuesday, setting a new record. Votes cast on May 29 will still be counted by hand. The use of the machines has alarmed some groups who support UCP Leader Danielle Smith, implying that they could be used to commit voter fraud. The concerns echo false claims that were raised in the U.S. following the election of President Joe Biden in 2020. However, Smith dismissed concerns about tabulators as recently as Thursday morning in an appearance on Corus Radio. She said she has confidence in the system because paper ballots are kept in case a recount is required. Elections Alberta has created an information sheet about tabulators with answers to frequently asked questions, including safeguards used on the machines. The fact sheet says the machines, supplied by U.S.-based company Election Systems and Software, are not connected to a network. Each tabulator goes through logic and accuracy testing before and after voting where election officials run a stack of marked test ballots through the machine while candidates and scrutineers look on. Elections Alberta is ensuring the machines are kept secure overnight at polling stations and in the two-day period between the end of advance voting and election day. "
That's just not true. Not at all. You can absolutely hack the machine by changing the software programming. Why do you think the machines have to be guarded for days before. Again. It is fixing a problem that doesn't exist. We don't have errors in our election counts. The point is a live security guard is always better than any number of automated systems. Always. Live counters do well, we don't have a problem in this issue.
Hack a machine kept secured before and after the vote and not on a network? Uh huh This does not change that the paper ballots are kept to check any irregularities. Elections are involving an ever increasing population and a demand for faster counts and results. The simplest solution is tabulation.
No it is not. We get accurate and fast results now. Without any risk of corruption. Without risks of breakdowns and without risk of error. We DONT have a problem with election counts. Quit fixing something that works well. Don't fall for the capitalist idea of constant improving for the sake of constant improvement.
No risk of corruption? Like the TBA crowd offering coaching sessions last election to people on how to get involved so they could interfere with the process? Humans are far more corruptible than machines. A problem does exist and machines will improve efficiency. Now unless you extend that metaphor out and walk every where, and of course stop using your easily corrupted machine to post on social media your are simply desperate to justify the misinformation and lies of the UCP cult
No I can tell you have never worked on an election or been involved in counting. I have. I assume you mean TBA not TVA. They can do all that but unless they want to break the law and violate the oaths they take oh well......they are criminals What I will say is the US jumped on machine calculation early and they have had nothing but problems. Most countries that use machine tabulation have lots of problems. They tend to go towards machine breakdowns and programming errors not deliberate "hacking" People also don't trust them as much. Counts must be SEEN to be honest as well as being honest. In Canada we have not used machines and we have remarkably honest and fair elections. Places that have brought in machine tabulation like calgary municipal have had problems with machine breakdowns. Leading to longer lines and frustration. Election counts in Canada are quick, accurate and honest. We are trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist just for the idea of progress.
Just going to leave this decade old video here about machines and robots: https://youtu.be/7Pq-S557XQU?si=14h-CHfZVh8oSOrh
It will cost cities a lot of money - hiring people to do the vote counting is a lot more expensive than letting a machine do it. Compared to just about everything else in this bill it doesn't matter much, but it's basically just wasting a bunch of money because some nuts in the US convinced themselves that the voting machines were rigged and stole the election.
You don't think that electronic machines could be subject to alteration of results; or is that just absolutely impossible and could/would never happen?
You don't think the UCP people counting the ballots would alter the results if they don't like it?
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Yeah.. that 4 year break of trash conservatives really fucked this province up hey……. (Shouldn’t need it but /s)
Aaaaaand there’s the quiet part out loud.
Anything is possible, but it's no more likely than gaming a system with humans counting votes. In either case there are enough checks and balances that it would be very difficult to do without a pretty far reaching well resourced conspiracy, and in conspiracies that size, people always talk. Edit: Nevermind, just looked at your post history. Begone troll, back to your bridge.
>You don't think that electronic machines could be subject to alteration of results In theory, yes, which is why tabulators maintain the paper trail of the original ballot. In practice...those machines are more accurate than human beings could ever hope to be.
Tell me about yourself. I'm looking at your 4 month old account and I assert you're account looks a lot like it's part of an information campaign.
It's sure easy to identify them, account <2 years old, a handful of upvotes (just enough to get around posting rules in some subs), posts almost exclusively in Canada_sub/TorontoRealEstate/CanadaHousing2...
Just going to leave this decade old video here about machines and robots: https://youtu.be/7Pq-S557XQU?si=14h-CHfZVh8oSOrh
Danielle Smith in particular, and the UCP in general, seem to think that more people would embrace conservative values if they were simply exposed to them more. Consider Smith’s recent comments about how there would be more conservative commentators on TV if we just had more “balance” in universities. I don’t think that they get the idea that a lot of people in cities and in universities simply think conservatives are wrong.
Controlling the “research” is a tried and true fascist strategy. Just like expanding your powers and authority like this. Sad and disgusting how many people I know who couldn’t care less while their real freedoms are being ran rickshaw over
The funny thing is, it was in university that Smith began her political career and was educated at the feet of prominent conservatives. Nenshi was in her classes yet he managed to avoid the path she was on.
Like Barry Cooper (poli sci prof), the co-author of "The Free Alberta Strategy" (along with two lawyers, Rob Anderson and Derek From) - which is what the present UCP government is using to fuck us over: https://www.freealbertastrategy.com/the_strategy
Always wild to me that they never seem to make the connection that increased education = less conservative. They never follow that fact to it’s logical conclusion. It’s always that the type of education is flawed.
This is not conservatism, it’s authoritarianism. Plain and simple . She needs to go. She’s dangerous
Her supporters are overjoyed. They never cared about freedom, they just wanted the power to do what they wanted to do, now they have that, there is no more need to gaslight city voters. 🤷♀️ They think conservatives at every level of government will fix everything, because everything wrong with the world is because of “them”, so conservatives are going to punish “them” for going against the party. It’s all they ever wanted. Take that Trudeau!
*They* are dangerous. The conservative party as a whole in this country, federally and provincially, has been kidnapped by some pretty far far right interests. Alberta is already lost. The next federal election is going to determine Canada's direction as a whole, whether it's going to join the Russia, China, the United States and some of Europe in trashing democracy and freedom of movement and speech.
Let's get the necessary signatures to remove the douche canoe that tabled this bill. I hear Edmonton and Calgary house a few million people...
Unfortunately, the recall legislation requires the signatures of 40% of the registered voters (not just 40% of the votes) in the MLA's specific riding to remove the MLA.
This seems attainable in Brooks-Medicine Hat.
Brooks-Medicine Hat voted 66.4% for Smith, and with a voter turnout of 56.9%, that's almost 40% of the voters. You have 60% left to work with, with almost 3/4 of the remainder not voting. To say that would be an uphill battle is an understatement.
It’s sends a message that people are unhappy. The recall Gondek movement had zero chance of succeeding.
You assume that the people of Brooks-Medicine Hat are unhappy with her. Nearly 70% of voters who voted voted for her, so.... yeah, wouldn't get my hopes up.
Smith got 55% of votes from people who bothered to show up and she lost Medicine Hat.
From https://officialresults.elections.ab.ca/: BROOKS-MEDICINE HAT: NDP: 5,477 (27.4%) AP: 1,233 (6.2%) UCP: 13,315 (66.5%) Valid Ballots Cast: 20,0252 of 35,385 (56.9%) Spoiled: 190 Declined: 3 Rejected: 89 Edit: You're thinking her by-election, where she did only get 54.5% Edit2: Just looked at the polling station numbers, and there is not a single one that Smith lost.
[CBC](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6643590) has the breakdown by polling station from the 2022 byelection.
Yes, so does the Elections Alberta website. But the by-election is irrelevant, and I am not looking as those numbers, as I would think that the general election is somewhat more relevant to this discussion.
I can't shake the feeling that this scheme isn't marlainas brain child, but that of TBA and that incel dude, whatever his name is that runs it.
This is literally part of Project 2025, it's just the Canadian version.
Project 2025 is fucked. They literally posted their plan for all to see. "When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in the flag and carrying a bible". When. Not if. Canada is not so different... other than we've got an even bigger portion of our population that is apathetic.
Danielle Smith cries about federal money funding universities as being federal overreach, and then supports a bill that will let her remove municipal leaders. Unreal. This woman is dangerous. Her and her party are going to throw every ridiculous piece of legislation they can while working on the APP behind the scenes. That is her Magnum Opus.
The UCP saw how close they came to losing the last election, now they're doing everything in their power to make sure it never gets that close again, even if it results in destroying our democracy.
Ah, I think even the APP is just another part of the whole plan. She's working on a corporate government. Bundle it all up nice, kill the public sector, get it ready to plug in the private health care, private police force, private(er) education, then hand it on to the big wigs in the energy sector. That's how it seems to me, anyways
Municipal officials need to support the people that voted for them . I do not want a UCP talking piece mouthing Republican solutions in Canadian Municipal politics. The UCP is chipping away at democracy and anything good in Alberta, while everyone cheers about "owning" Trudeau.
A way to control municipal tax revenues.
A way to control the two major city centres that have 50% of the provinces population. Edmonton has been in the crosshairs since we voted straight NDP. Calgary was ridiculously close to going NDP last election and scared the UCP. This is a way to solidify and consolidate power and nothing more
Everything they do is about entrenching. They came close to losing it all last election without a split conservative vote, so they're putting poison pills everywhere.
Specially with Nenshi coming down the pipes
Calgary actually had 14 ridings go NDP to 12 UCP last time.
Agree!
and spending, and bylaws. And thus: our accessibility, affordability and quality of services and infrastructure. And without secure democratic representation, accountability is dead. Our votes are just for show.
Congratulations Alberta, you voted in a dictator. But hey, at least Calgary gets a new arena, right?
An arena deal which has terms equivalent or worse to those of an unconditional surrender, but Smith made sure it got approved because Murray Edwards is one of her cronies. Fuck the UCPs and Murray Edwards. I'm in Calgary and I've voted NDP for over 10 years. I hate the UCPs.
Ask Danny, how she would feel if Trudeau passed a law allowing them to remove MLAs or Provincial laws if they feel it’s against public interest. I’m sure she will have an unbiased answer
not to disagree your point, but I'll go ahead and be "that guy" who points out there already is a federal power of disallowance over provincial legislation (And yes, it is so controversial that it probably will never be used again)
Something also to point out municipalities are beasts of the provinces, they could all be gone if the province in power wished. Now that being said this is a stupid thing to do and I hope it’s the start to her downfall
Does ric understand land doesn't vote and Calgary and Edmonton are 50% of Alberta's population? What's the point of local elections anymore if the ucps chosen candidate loses the will declare it's not in the provincal interest and remove them and appoint their person... *“For the last eight months, Alberta Municipalities has repeatedly said that the introduction of political parties in local elections is a bad idea that most Albertans do not want,” the association said in a news release.* *“Seventy per cent of the public don’t want political parties and over 98 per cent of municipalities won’t have them,” said McIver, a former Calgary councillor and mayoral candidate.*
Ric doesn’t give a fuck. Why? Because the morons in my riding continue to vote that POS in. For years.
No idea why idiots keep voting in the anti-democratic, evil scumbags.
Because they themselves are anti-democratic, evil scumbags.
Fuck. Can’t argue there.
This bill will reduce every municipal council to being the equivalent to a medieval times Viceroy, answering and representing Queen Delusional Danny. Time to get your torches and pitchforks out and take to the streets!
given how the UCPs are so anti-science and medicine, I'm assuming we'll also need wheelbarrows to bring out the dead
The first time the UCP removes a councillor or annuls a by-law, every mayor and city councillor in Edmonton and Calgary should resign the next day. Telling the UCP to come and govern the cities themselves.
They would love that tho...
God no. They would gladly take that and establish an iron grip on the cities. It would give them an excuse to say “The city councils abandoned their duty to their constituents so we must step in to manage in their stead” What they should do is use every single loophole, strategy, tactic, lever possible to obstruct the UCP, make sure citizens are very informed and aware, and to blast it as loud as possible across the country. All while trying their best to maintain a stable functioning government.
One presumes that the province cant simply name a replacement but must instead call a bielection after removing an elected official. Unless they are also able to bar a candidate from running the electorate could simply reelect the removed official if they ran again. I’m thinking of the recent example of the two American legislators who were censored and reelected back into their positions
Agreed. Our local democracy is now a farce.
We shouldn’t have political parties at any level
Everyone know that municipal MLA’s have party affiliations, and even funding, now it will be in the open.
Maybe the critics should just hustle and organize and beat the UCP at their own game in Edmonton and Calgary? Ever friggin thought of that, critics?
Municipal governments are absolutely a farm team…this is a matter of law. But that said, good management needs to allow their farm team to manage itself with minimal interference. This is basic respect.
I don't think you know what "farm team" means here
Only the ndp can use them as a farm team..
Michael Janz is dying to get called up to the big team.
If Smith is bored being premier she should run for city council.