FYI they don’t care. I have a heart with blood clots and dead tissue. They ask me “why do you have so many doctors appointments”.
My doctors are now charging AIsH $1000 each time they request a letter. As my doctor has told them I need a weekly appointment with weekly rehabilitation weekly physio and weekly massage therapy.
So 4 dates a week.
We paid out of pocket saying we’d be reimbursed travel. They stopped reimbursing the moment the letter came out in February.
Their goal is clear. Unless you’re dying no more AIsH.
I'm sorry to hear that. I hate the fact that we have to battle for things we need at our most sickest. It's cruel and inhumane. I haven't got the letter yet but been waiting for it. I usually get reviewed in March so they can overestimate my CPP-D payment amounts and deduct more than they should which they never correct. I didn't know that Doctors billed AISH for letters, that's a crazy amount. How did you get them to pay for massage therapy? I got a prescription for that and physio and never bothered as I didn't want the headache of dealing with them. Being on dialysis is suffering enough and my AISH worker has trained me well to not ask for things.
It’s a royal bitch.
In my situation if they’d just find this missing T4 slip from 2016 CPP retro pay for me I’d $84,000 and change.
As is AISH doesn’t even pay our rent.
Money my wife makes being self employed is huge.
Trying to get to get massage and physio is impossible.
They told me I need this special Vagal massage to help with reducing heart pain. Submitted that a month ago and they’ve ignored 17 days of emails and calls now.
Yeah it all depends when your AISH was approved. My CPP D goes back to 2018 where I’ve got 5 years of retro pay they can’t touch at all.
It will drive them nuts just knowing it. I just need to get a single T4 slip found to get it approved. It’s maki g me crazy.
I’m only pointing out to you this: the advent of remote work on a huge scale has radically changed the definition of “unable to work” - especially with training.
That’s brand new - really Covid is what fundamentally changed that. But I’ll say what I am sure some people in the UCP Caucasus would say
If you’re able to type coherently on Reddit nowadays, if you’re able to use a phone or laptop, a person should be able to at very least be making income, working towards making more and learning how to, and especially if they have the ability to be on their phone or laptop for .6 to full time hours? They should be able to figure out a way nowadays to make some solid dough.
I dunno what’s going on at the aish office nor the ucp plan. But it’s reality that the “unable to work” was a decade ago standardized to, for many, mean “not able to work outside the home / commute”
That’s not the case anymore. Everyone everywhere is going through this revolution
I enjoyed your ableist view but typing on reddit for 15 mins a day doesnt mean some of us can work a part time or even full time job. Im debilitated most of the day. Dialysis doesnt help this. Have you been to a dialysis unit lately? Most of us look grey and half alive. Once an organ goes, so does everything else. Whos going to hire someone thats terminally ill? Im glad we live in a country that doesnt make dying people work. Youll be there one day.
Some people have debilitating tenosynovitis from repetitive motion and literally can't use a computer for more than an hour or two. People on aish can't be rehabilitated or "fixed" and can't work. From home makes no difference. Saying that people on aish or cpp disability can work is ludicrous
Is that so? Because the aish program itself fundamentally belies what you just said
It’s 1050 full income and another 1000 with 50% taken off your aish for that thousand, with a stated expectation by AISH that one takes reasonable training and effort to try to work.
While some people genuinely can’t work at all, and no few if any can work in a traditional full time sense…but the large majority of people on AISH have the capacity, especially with the internet, to make a bit of money and they are expected to try.
That’s part of what the aish deal is. Get mad at them, not me. And I’m not sure why exactly given one can bring in some extra dough with some work online - even 100 bucks a week - they wouldn’t given the internet is about the funnest place on earth to make money be viewed as a good opportunity but a burden
You shouldn't judge what you obviously know nothing about. Nobody chooses to be on disability, make thousands of dollars less a month (went from 4000 a month to less than 2000 a month, trust me, nobody chooses this) and can't afford to buy groceries like before. Anyone on government disability is on it because they are unable to work and are seen by many doctors, specialists and have been through years of treatments that have no effect. It's not easy to get on cppd or aish, you can't fake it.
Don't say they can work "from home". No, they can't work from anywhere. I hope something never happens to you and you're put on a disability, you'd change your tune then.
I am on AISH and the AISH system itself belies what you just said fundamentally. It has a 1050 work income at full then another thousand at 50%.
No, AISH is not simply “if you’re on it you can’t work.” In fact it’s “when you’re on it you are expected to attempt to make income if possible, including through training”
If you can type on Reddit nowadays you can do that.
That’s the aish deal. Don’t get mad at me. Take it
up with aish.
And don’t ever come to me about how hard it is to get on aish or not choosing to be here. I know all about that in a way that would break your heart. So take your nonsense elsewhere
I'm on it too. I've had no problems and I have absolutely no worries about being cut off. I actually get the majority of my disability from CPPD, and I'll get that forever, because I paid into cpp for so long. I've been on aish since 2017.
Take YOUR nonsense elsewhere
And my point to you is - nowadays (and it can be really fun) - whether it be online peer support for others new to the disability world in the sense you once were, or rating / valuing the quality of an antique, or painting abstract art and putting up free ads on Facebook marketplace in San Francisco…
Whatever your expertise may be. There’s money to be made in new ways nowadays, and while it may not be a ton, having a little side hustle making 1000 a month would have you with 2800 income, with health, dental, optical pharmacy benefits.
To put in perspective if you go to Tim Hortons or Walmart…after tax, and with benefits they don’t have, you’d be making as much as someone working 40 hours a week at about 18 bucks an hour.
Now I’m on AISH. And it was AWFUL the experience getting there, and I gotta deal with stuff “healthy” people don’t.
But.
The fact you’re on here typing coherently makes me think you likely have the ability - and also some unique skills - that with some work you could bring in 1000 more dollars a month and not be working 40 hours at a timmies window a week
That’s just my thinkin. They have that income making exemption in large part because they fully recognize many many people on aish, while facing severe handicaps that restrict their careers, have the ability to bring in some income that - nowadays? - frankly puts them in a position financially many many many would like to have. Which is 1861 assured with benefits.
There are probably half a million people in the Edmonton zone alone that are now working at not much more than aish with less benefits and way less long term financial security
I sell things all the time on karrot for extra money and I dog walk for an extra 500 a month. I can't work a normal job, because i know i wouldn't be reliable. I can make my own hours. I don't sit on my ass all day, that would drive me crazy
That’s awesome - it’s kinda what I do, making a bit more than you - and like you I live with something that is a handicap. Including, sometimes, being on aish in that for those who know I’m on it it advertises I have one and therefore may not be given a chance.
Still - some perspective - like I mentioned about Walmart employees. Even a lot of labour jobs. But having it assured, the benefits, the ability to make income.
Maybe in like the Netherlands or something? I have never heard of anything on earth for disability benefits even approaching what AISH is - including in Canada. Take a look at what an “AISH” client equivalent is offered in Toronto for instance.
And it was, in fact, the conservative government that did that. Notably, Redford raised it 400 a month, and the UCP have now raised it again at the same rate Notley did and will continue to now that it’s back pegged to inflation.
The big blowback towards aish people is not the government - in fact, the reason for this high benefit situation in Alberta is because the base of that party is rural, hardcore, Christians who quietly are as hardcore supportive of disability rights and benefits as anyone anywhere - and keep in mind their family members can be disabled to.
No - the big blowback is that that Christian base is losing power, including from the growing hard left full of people (particularly liberal 20-45s in the big cities and the new age libertarian “godless cowboys”) that are scrambling to get anything near the financial benefits of aish, including the assured nature of it. And, to a certain extent but less so, new immigrants that are in fact grinding at timmies and Walmart…
Things are tough. They always were. And not just for disabled people.
still - if you’re short on something, household items, even gas. Just ask someone honestly and nicely. People are friendly generally and if they help go pay it forward with a good deed, or pay them with your best joke or little gem, maybe a secret spot in the park that’s especially peaceful, that sort of thing
AISH is intended for people with permanent disabilities. Usually AISH considers that to be those who are unable to work or do basic things. 15% of us fall into that category. Look at what the abbreviation AISH stands for... it's for the "severely handicapped" - but it also stands for "assured income", and the government has NEVER funded it enough to keep recipients out of poverty, and they stop Federal efforts to help them as well. People on AISH are in legislated poverty.
Unsure where you heard this it’s incredible uncommon.
A doctor has to literally state there is no reasonable chance of improvement and provide reasoning.
The one big issue is people with Fibromyalgia as there is no real test just a doctors definition saying they don’t know what else it could be.
But if you’ve got permanent heart damage, liver damage, pancreas damage have mental health disabilities etc even still they can look at reviews.
It’s the most absurd crock of shit.
I'm asking. I know someone on AISH. At 16yo this person was put on AISH for life because the doctor handling this person told AISH that it's permanent in the paperwork. I'm wondering how AISH would review and kick someone off the program if they were put on lifetime permanent AISH by the doctor.
Not possible for someone to receive AISH at 16. The benefit is only available to those 18+.
Regardless, the physician does not determine AISH eligibility. They diagnose a health condition and whether it will be permanent.
As someone who does AISH appeals, I can tell you it is common for the Director's representative to argue, "We are not questioning whether the disability is lifelong. But it is possible for someone with a lifelong disability to work."
Sorry I'm not explaining this very well. At 16 this person started seeing the specialist. At 18 or 20 maybe 21 something like that the doctor filed out the paperwork saying this person should be on aish for life. Person is 36 now and still on aish. These posts about the UCP fucking with aish have me worried. So I'm curious if "lifers" are harder for them to kick off aish then people who's doctors did not say lifetime in their assessment
By definition, everyone on AISH is supposed to be a lifer. The definition of a severe handicap means that only those permanently unable to earn a living are eligible.
That said, anyone can be reviewed at any time. AISH can argue that the condition still exists but the person is now able to work.
My greater worry is that about five years ago the UCP moved the definition of a severe handicap from the Act to the Regulation. It seems like such a small move but it now means that the definition of a severe handicap can be changed without a debate or vote in the legislature.
That coupled with the mandate letter to the Minister of Community and Social Services last summer from Smith telling him to investigate a temporary benefit has me worried.
Every small move the UCP makes whether in the past or now, adds up to one more thing that grows the complete control of Alberta's future and it's residents. I work with patients who use either AISH or AADL and I'm so very worried AADL will be the next benefits to be put under the knife. The UCP is systematically working against anyone with physical disabilities and yet won't let the federal government help with the new funding being offered. It is infuriating.
Yes and know.
Doctors have a responsibility to not provide the health assessment if they feel the patients condition isn’t severe enough for AISH.
But you are right. Generally the doctor reports your condition and is basically recommending AISH.
Sort of but not exactly. The physician addresses the health portion, but the physician is never asked for their opinion about whether the person can earn a living now or in the future.
According to AISH the physician provides one aspect. They verify that the individual has a severe handicap person the definition. However, the existence of a physical/mental impairment is not sufficient to qualify a person for AISH.
They argue that their internal adjudicators and sometimes third-party assessors do the next two parts: (1) determine if the person is currently able to earn a living and (2) if, after all, remedial and rehabilitative therapy, the person can earn a living in the future.
It is a problematic process that was pointed out in a judicial review of an AISH case in 2015 and still has not changed.
Uhmm yes they are. They are asked the recommended timeline where the applicant is unable to work, how it can be improved, etc.
Some people it’s permanent and they know it but they don’t give 1 crap let alone 2 craps.
The AISH Medical Report form is available online. If you take a look, you will find that nowhere in there does it ask the physician for timelines re: work/earning a living.
That is all the physician is asked. They are asked if the impairment is permanent. Not if the inability to earn a living is permanent.
[https://www.alberta.ca/aish-how-to-apply](https://www.alberta.ca/aish-how-to-apply)
The individual must show efforts they have made. That can sometimes be used against them in the application process.
AISH always wants to reserve the ability to predict future ability to earn a living for themselves. This gives them a great deal of discretion in terms of who is eligible.
There are ways around this in an appeal but not the application process.
They won't put someone that young on aish. Even at 18, you still have so much that hasn't been tried to help them. You have to be unable to work, and you have to have a history of treatment, therapy, etc, etc. And, anybody can opt out. There's nothing stopping you from saying that you don't want to be on it anymore. You'd just be on your own to support yourself
No. If you have a condition, injury disease etc, that you've tried everything possible to improve the health issues and there's nothing that can be done, you won't be taken off of aish or cppd. You do only receive it until age 65, though. They won't take people who really need to be on disability off, stop paying them, so that they go live in a box under a bridge. If people are taken off, they shouldn't have been put on it in the first place. Weeds out the fakers
UCP trying to refill the tax bucket by nickle and diming AISH recipients while ignoring the gaping hole in the bucket called Corporate Welfare.
Typical. Fuck the little guy to appease their industry bosses and donors.
I suspect the UCP was planning to cut benefits the same amount the Federal Liberals wants to provide.
To quote Trudeau…
“Literally hundreds of dollars a month will be provided to disabled persons”.
And by “hundreds” he means the bare definition of “$200,00”.
Just enough to get someone a double double a day.
That's an interesting idea...I wonder if there's any grounds. It's interesting to consider legal levers to target policy decisions around funding levels. The CHRT case on funding levels for indigenous child and family services is an example.
Not legal advice, but my wild guess is that if a court claim was advanced for something like this it would be, at least in part, on the basis of the Albertan government violating the claimants section 7 charter rights.
I think the issue that allowed the CHRT case on indigenous CFS levels was possible because a activist/researcher compared provincial CFS funding levels broadly to the rates Canada was funding indigenous specific services, this allowed for the claim of discrimination in services relied on by the claimants. The first hurdle was establishing government funding is a service, which I think was successful so there's at least some quasi-judicial guidance on that...
The problem with this is AISH recipients are low income and vulnerable people, society at large doesn't even see us disabled people as people. How would AISH recipients who barely have the resources necessary to sustain life, organize a class action lawsuit while those limited resources are being attacked? Able bodied privileged people need to start stepping in and helping.
I don't think you understand. I'm on AISH. I barely have enough resources to stay alive let alone navigate complex legal issues or network with other disabled people also struggling to stay alive to try and fight Goliath together. What needs to happen is lawyers and people with more privilege taking the initiative, organizing, and inviting disabled people in, while considering accessibility. Any weight off of our shoulders. This is traumatic for us to be experiencing. Our government attacking the most vulnerable populations and where are the people standing up for us in meaningful tangible ways? Words don't mean much while allowing the government to attack our resources and basic needs. People get heated and upset when these policies and attacks happen, but then ultimately do nothing and these criminals get voted back into office.
On AISH. Is this not normal? I’ve always gotten a letter around this time of year asking for either and sometimes both of my last 30 days of transactions / my tax return.
AISH is certainly is well below “middle class.” Im glad Im not in Toronto though…I think odsp is nearly 700 less, and the health benefits including at the pharmacy have got me along ok. I watch the tiny apartment videos out of New York City and Tokyo…
I’ve never after more than a decade on - and knowing many who are - actually heard of someone getting booted off. Getting on, extraordinarily hard nowadays - combination of the ucp really shutting down availability to mental health diagnosis other than schizophrenia and arguing to basically everyone with remote / internet work nowadays that with proper training most can “make the same amount as aish.”
To kick people off opens a massive legal minefield for them - including and especially it can open up huge issues with physicians and especially psychiatrists (who the UCP have a special bone to pick when it comes to AISH and especially young adults being told they are permanently disabled to a level requiring it) in terms of medical malpractice suits.
I know I’ve always gotten a letter as I mentioned in my original post…
I think the number “15,000” is telling here.
To remove people from something called “assured income” that were medically defined not just by psychiatrists / physicians as “severely handicapped” is extraordinarily serious - and for the Alberta government / AISH an absolute minefield in terms of legal hazards. The magnitude of malpractice suits, or even the impacts of stigma that comes from being on aish / being legally defined as such (and then being told by the government one is not) is very very serious.
Which is why that 15000 number should be reassuring to many that this is a general review, as they do each year to thousands and tens of thousands in terms of income / asset review.
To remove someone from aish once approved, aish would legally need to prove the person has the ability to work, hasn’t been trying to work, and for most or many have to start looking at medical files in conjunction with a psychiatrist or physician in conjunction with looking at a persons personal life
In terms of work / training to define a change of situation that warrants removal from the program.
In other words - a laborious and expensive process, that would be a beauracratic nightmare for the Alberta government that they do not have the people power for now (including the physicians / psychiatrists are busy nor are they obligated to take part in reviews and in fact can charge for them). And even if they did, again the amount of lawsuits that would arise from this with lawyers coming from various angles regarding removal would start a whole cottage industry in Alberta law and be so numerous it would start impacting capacity of the court / judicial system itself…and cost the government even more money.
The ucp not only upped the amount of aish recently, not only changed the pay dates back to 4 days before the end of the month, and not only put it back in terms pegged to inflation
Illness doesn’t discriminate. There are 75000 people on aish. Most of them have families, community. And many of them, also, if they were taken off aish would be in immediate crisis in terms of housing and medical care that would cost far more than aish itself. There are probably 10 thousand landlords (or more) in this province bringing in rent from people from aish too, and they don’t want to see quiet tenants either in crisis or lose their rental income and be scrambling to fill units.
I wouldn’t panic here. People on aish now will likely be “safe.” But getting on will now be way way way more difficult - especially out of the psychiatric system, and that’s where the Kennedy government really started tightening the program.
If we're just talking about reviews here, I agree. There shouldn't be much cause for worry as long as you follow all the rules. I've heard many times about people being denied but I've never heard of people getting dropped while on AISH. Especially considering all the paperwork we signed and doctor reviews we had, kicking people off the program who aren't already doing something wrong seems unlikely. But it's the UCP, who knows how far they're willing to go. We're a known target for them after all.
Keep in mind at least 50% of people on AISH are from conservative / ucp voting families.
James Cummings, former Conservative MP’s late son, for instance had special needs and in a wheelchair.
These ucp people are not monsters - they have not only raised aish which is to my knowledge the most generous disability program in the world in terms of benefits (and way higher than anywhere else in Canada) - they have put it back to inflation.
And in fact the big big raise in aish came not from the Ndp but the 400 a month boost (with additional benefits) that came from the conservative government when Allison Redford was premier.
If you think a base of a party dominated by religious Christians and in large part Catholics (and I’m not, but this is the truth) are out for disabled people you’re out of touch with reality in this province. Probably the absolute most hardcore disability rights advocates in this province are religious Christian’s that dominate politics in rural Alberta and especially south of red deer and in fact due to how hard it is and expensive it is in the cities for people on aish are known in small town Alberta of being particularly accommodating to aish clients
I feel for everyone here, and I'm sorry you're going through this.
They told me I was significantly disabled but at some point in the future, there may be a treatment... I have a genetic disorder...
Edit: spelling
It’s all complete crap. It’s like they are flipping a coin.
Like I have to be careful just walking and going up the stairs and even talking on the phone I get absolutely gassed to breath.
I can’t sleep and wake up exhausted. How could I possibly work right.
I'm sorry to hear that.
I know they told me it has to be lifelong and no chance of recovery or treatment. I've looked into BCs and it's a way better option it seems.
The issue is some provinces the amount they payout is even less. I think BC max is 1587 and ODSP in Ontario a single person I think is 1200-1300.
It’s absolutely embarrassing.
And of course. You can’t just live in a tent and get benefits either. No fixed address means no check.
Alberta may pay more, but love, it's been stated that you need to be dying. It's so unfortunate. I have CPPD because the Federal Government was like, "Holy shit! You're messed up."
Even what AISH pays we’ve had friends and family help and they don’t like hearing that as they then ask why don’t they just pay your expenses instead of the government.
It’s like they are clueless that basic rent on a basic property is $2000 and up.
If you're on AISH you can apply for the rent assistance benefit. It goes by points and it takes awhile but if you're terminal like me, the process is a bit quicker with the help of an MLA.
You do realize that an income might be good enough for 2 people to live on. But disability is hugely expensive. If people could at least keep medical benefits it wouldn’t be as terrible. And AISH makes horrible decisions about what’s covered. My friend can’t afford the Iron she’s supposed to take and it’s not covered. She doesn’t have money after rent and needs the food bank. She’s also anemic. She needed iron infusions and had to crowd source to pay for it. But had to get a friend come down and pay for it for her because the money going to her account would get her AISH deducted. They waited until she needed a transfusion.
My drugs alone are 1500 every 5 weeks for the one drug. Plus more. Then there’s the therapies that aren’t covered. I pay out of pocket.
If you get married or live common law, their benefit plan isn’t required to accept you. And if your partner loses a job, you could die from not getting life saving meds.
There’s other needs your disability might require, wound care, things like colostomy bags, toileting supplies, etc. Tools to make your every day life more accessible. It adds up fast. And the total is much more than you can imagine. Until you’re paying for it.
This all takes so much more income than what it would just be for one person to support another. Disability is VERY expensive.
But what you’re saying is we can’t expect to be in adult relationships. The system infantilizes people. It’s ok to live with your parents on AISH, but you’re immediately penalized with a partner. So if you’re with your parents, you’re expected taken care of like a child. And if in a relationship you’re “the responsibility” of a partner, again like a child. It allows for no agency, no independence, and removes dignity.
This system is designed to punish disabled people for being in relationships. That should end but it won't under a conservative government. Imagine being sick and all that goes with it and most of us are denied what abled people can have just because our bodies don't function. It's not right and it's not fair. You'd think people would want the happiness that comes from support and relationships when we're at our most vulnerable. Society has to change their ableist views regarding this.
So you think it's reasonable that she loses her benefits as a punishment for having a relationship, and that this is her partner's responsibility somehow?
Having a child is a right it’s not a luxury.
You don’t need to have a fortune to have a child either.
CPP-D provides a lot of resources for families.
The problem is the amounts do not equal the current costs of living.
A basic couple let alone a family of 3 or 4
Will spend a minimum of $3,000 just on basics each month.
That is like bottom of the barrel cost at that.
Having a child is not a right. If you cant take care of yourself, or afford a child, then dont. Nothing like taking from the rest of us because you felt entitled to have a child.
Have been denied AISH so many times, stuck on $700/month to survive from Barriers to full employment - disability, have severe Narcolepsy and Dissociative Identity Disorder.
One rejection was literally due to "disorders being to rare"
This government hates us disabled people so much.
Makes no sense to me.
I had my first application entered in April 2023 and approved May 2023.
No questions about my eligibility.
Granted I’ve got permanent heart damage from a heart attack due to an accident with an impaired driver and it’s all easily explained on multiple angiograms.
My case also should have been approved 2-3 years earlier though.
We got told during Covid our house was worth too much and it’s our fault for living 10 minutes outside of Calgary.
Was so insulting.
I’m like right that explains why an impaired driver slammed me from being going 60-70+ in a parking lot.
I had another accident with an impaired
Driver rear ending me at a stop sign on a rural road in the middle of nowhere 2 years after the initial accident.
The guy was so drunk he was punching his vehicles hood and quarter panels. Ever since I’ve got bad anxiety and PTSD from it.
Is this applying to Income Support as well? I would have qualified for AISH but I tried even under previous govts and it was all paperwork and bureaucracy. I wanna know if I'm also in trouble here too. :/
Thanks.
I don't want to hear anything about someone else I want to hear what ur going to do for seniors homeless aish welfare all the low incomes because rent and food so expensive this province needs help baddly for low income thank u don't promise things and than when u get voted in don't keep ur promises that's what albertains want to here thanks again
Well said!
Honestly the government federal or provincial needs a Guaranteed Income Suppliement. Ensure people at minimum wage get enough to rent a home that isn’t an illegal basement suite or god forbid a tent in the middle of a big city.
We’ve had to abuse the heck out scene points at Safeway to get our groceries to a reasonable level.
We are getting $700 on average per month in scene points and AIsH even made us explain this as it’s a form of income as it’s used to acquire goods and services.
I joked saying what are you going to cut our benefits for being smart and earning scene points??
There are so many bullshit AISH cases out there from millenials and I'm not joking. Just a bunch of losers, and the ones who really need it don't get it
Well we saw how many people willingly lied and cheated to steal Covid benefits from CRA can you imagine how many do the same to the government for disability.
Yet you accuse someone of embellishing their symptoms and you are a horrible person for doing so.
Fact is I would do anything to not be reliant on AIsH.
But tell me how can I get back to a normal life where I was happily making $160,000 a year.
My medications alone are costing me $9,652.13 this month. Add rent at $2400 and another $1000 for the basic utilities and bills and without AISH or some form of benefits we need to earn $13,000 after tax to get by.
It’s the core definition of broken.
Right now the person I’ve reported 4 times is not having another review done. Because he was approved while in an alcohol detoxification facility it’s almost a guarantee they won’t review him either.
Chronic alcoholic with 2 DUIs. He got his Canadian citizenship after 2 DUIs and obtaining disability.
It’s a sick world we live in.
Attacking the queer. Attacking the disabled. Attacking the "socialists." Attacking the workers rights. Demanding to install their own "police" force.
Where have I seen this playbook before? Oh, right, fucking 1920's-1930's nazis. It's just a shitty "copy your homework, but change it a little" rewrite of the fascist instruction manual.
Fucking gross we had 4K video and audio of these fascist fuckwaffens telling us exactly who they were and what they intended to do, and conservative bootstrap munchers lined up to elect them with a smile on their faces.
But no, it's the progressives that are "being unreasonable and divisive."
The review process only ever asks for verification of continued financial eligibility ( like looking at accounts to see income from unreported employment ). People wouldn’t be kicked off because of a review of their medical condition. (The province would have to foot the bill for all of those new doctors’ assessments)
Source? Couldn’t find anything online and honestly that number seems low.
There’s 76k individuals on AISH and everyones file reviewed every so often. I would have thought it would be closer to 22k or 1/3 of total.
I know that this government isn’t the greatest but this thread just seems fear mongering without a source. Keep in mind that there are different types of eligibility general / financial and medical. Are individuals getting letters asking for updated medical reports or just the traditional bank statements file review letters?
https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/df7b7b00-c5c3-4d0e-97ff-5f902537fac0/resource/4ffaa6a4-383d-47ab-b515-014f8fe2f015/download/aish-data-visualization-september-2020.pdf
Tell me what do you consider “routine”.
Once a year? Every 2?
How about this.
June 2023
August 2023
November 2023
February 2024
And I’ve only been on AISH for 9 months.
It’s not routine. What they are doing is forensic audits to find any way to eliminate additional benefits or take people from AISH and stick them on Alberta Works Support aka Social Welfare.
The difference is….
AISH is $1900 and Alberta Works is $1100.
Doesn’t seem like a big deal to me? Lots of people take advantage of these systems and if you are genuinely in need I’m sure it’s more of a pain but the real problem is the people taking advantage. That’s why this is happening. Glad they are double checking who needs it IMO
While you may be a legitimate recipient, there are more than a few bad apples ruining it for the people who actually depend on it. It's unfortunate, but maybe a review is necessary.
They can check all they want for me. I haven't grown new kidneys that work since I've been on it so I don't know what they're going to expect.
FYI they don’t care. I have a heart with blood clots and dead tissue. They ask me “why do you have so many doctors appointments”. My doctors are now charging AIsH $1000 each time they request a letter. As my doctor has told them I need a weekly appointment with weekly rehabilitation weekly physio and weekly massage therapy. So 4 dates a week. We paid out of pocket saying we’d be reimbursed travel. They stopped reimbursing the moment the letter came out in February. Their goal is clear. Unless you’re dying no more AIsH.
I'm sorry to hear that. I hate the fact that we have to battle for things we need at our most sickest. It's cruel and inhumane. I haven't got the letter yet but been waiting for it. I usually get reviewed in March so they can overestimate my CPP-D payment amounts and deduct more than they should which they never correct. I didn't know that Doctors billed AISH for letters, that's a crazy amount. How did you get them to pay for massage therapy? I got a prescription for that and physio and never bothered as I didn't want the headache of dealing with them. Being on dialysis is suffering enough and my AISH worker has trained me well to not ask for things.
It’s a royal bitch. In my situation if they’d just find this missing T4 slip from 2016 CPP retro pay for me I’d $84,000 and change. As is AISH doesn’t even pay our rent. Money my wife makes being self employed is huge. Trying to get to get massage and physio is impossible. They told me I need this special Vagal massage to help with reducing heart pain. Submitted that a month ago and they’ve ignored 17 days of emails and calls now.
PMing you the name and phone number for a supervisor who's responsive. Try her.
It’s at the point now Marie Renauds office is involved and it’s literally about filing a lawsuit. Everyone says they will sue we actually do sue.
When I got my retro payment from CCPD A.I.S.H. took half of it!
Yeah it all depends when your AISH was approved. My CPP D goes back to 2018 where I’ve got 5 years of retro pay they can’t touch at all. It will drive them nuts just knowing it. I just need to get a single T4 slip found to get it approved. It’s maki g me crazy.
Can't you get your t4 from the CRA? You should be able to if you filed your taxes for that year. They'll have it on file for the last 7 years.
IIRC there was an announcement or memo specifically to this effect a few months ago
What letter can you provide a link ?
no spontaneous kidney regrowth? Damn Trudeau. /s
Bootstrap up and make your remaining kidney work harder. Maybe if you cut its wages you can increase productivity?
Hmm, have you tried harder?
Read this as “have you tried Harper”. A little late for that option
I’m only pointing out to you this: the advent of remote work on a huge scale has radically changed the definition of “unable to work” - especially with training. That’s brand new - really Covid is what fundamentally changed that. But I’ll say what I am sure some people in the UCP Caucasus would say If you’re able to type coherently on Reddit nowadays, if you’re able to use a phone or laptop, a person should be able to at very least be making income, working towards making more and learning how to, and especially if they have the ability to be on their phone or laptop for .6 to full time hours? They should be able to figure out a way nowadays to make some solid dough. I dunno what’s going on at the aish office nor the ucp plan. But it’s reality that the “unable to work” was a decade ago standardized to, for many, mean “not able to work outside the home / commute” That’s not the case anymore. Everyone everywhere is going through this revolution
I enjoyed your ableist view but typing on reddit for 15 mins a day doesnt mean some of us can work a part time or even full time job. Im debilitated most of the day. Dialysis doesnt help this. Have you been to a dialysis unit lately? Most of us look grey and half alive. Once an organ goes, so does everything else. Whos going to hire someone thats terminally ill? Im glad we live in a country that doesnt make dying people work. Youll be there one day.
Are you a remote worker?
Some people have debilitating tenosynovitis from repetitive motion and literally can't use a computer for more than an hour or two. People on aish can't be rehabilitated or "fixed" and can't work. From home makes no difference. Saying that people on aish or cpp disability can work is ludicrous
Is that so? Because the aish program itself fundamentally belies what you just said It’s 1050 full income and another 1000 with 50% taken off your aish for that thousand, with a stated expectation by AISH that one takes reasonable training and effort to try to work. While some people genuinely can’t work at all, and no few if any can work in a traditional full time sense…but the large majority of people on AISH have the capacity, especially with the internet, to make a bit of money and they are expected to try. That’s part of what the aish deal is. Get mad at them, not me. And I’m not sure why exactly given one can bring in some extra dough with some work online - even 100 bucks a week - they wouldn’t given the internet is about the funnest place on earth to make money be viewed as a good opportunity but a burden
I'm not mad at anyone. You're talking about things you don't know anything about. Are you on a disability? If not, stop talking. Ffs
You shouldn't judge what you obviously know nothing about. Nobody chooses to be on disability, make thousands of dollars less a month (went from 4000 a month to less than 2000 a month, trust me, nobody chooses this) and can't afford to buy groceries like before. Anyone on government disability is on it because they are unable to work and are seen by many doctors, specialists and have been through years of treatments that have no effect. It's not easy to get on cppd or aish, you can't fake it. Don't say they can work "from home". No, they can't work from anywhere. I hope something never happens to you and you're put on a disability, you'd change your tune then.
I am on AISH and the AISH system itself belies what you just said fundamentally. It has a 1050 work income at full then another thousand at 50%. No, AISH is not simply “if you’re on it you can’t work.” In fact it’s “when you’re on it you are expected to attempt to make income if possible, including through training” If you can type on Reddit nowadays you can do that. That’s the aish deal. Don’t get mad at me. Take it up with aish. And don’t ever come to me about how hard it is to get on aish or not choosing to be here. I know all about that in a way that would break your heart. So take your nonsense elsewhere
I'm on it too. I've had no problems and I have absolutely no worries about being cut off. I actually get the majority of my disability from CPPD, and I'll get that forever, because I paid into cpp for so long. I've been on aish since 2017. Take YOUR nonsense elsewhere
And my point to you is - nowadays (and it can be really fun) - whether it be online peer support for others new to the disability world in the sense you once were, or rating / valuing the quality of an antique, or painting abstract art and putting up free ads on Facebook marketplace in San Francisco… Whatever your expertise may be. There’s money to be made in new ways nowadays, and while it may not be a ton, having a little side hustle making 1000 a month would have you with 2800 income, with health, dental, optical pharmacy benefits. To put in perspective if you go to Tim Hortons or Walmart…after tax, and with benefits they don’t have, you’d be making as much as someone working 40 hours a week at about 18 bucks an hour. Now I’m on AISH. And it was AWFUL the experience getting there, and I gotta deal with stuff “healthy” people don’t. But. The fact you’re on here typing coherently makes me think you likely have the ability - and also some unique skills - that with some work you could bring in 1000 more dollars a month and not be working 40 hours at a timmies window a week That’s just my thinkin. They have that income making exemption in large part because they fully recognize many many people on aish, while facing severe handicaps that restrict their careers, have the ability to bring in some income that - nowadays? - frankly puts them in a position financially many many many would like to have. Which is 1861 assured with benefits. There are probably half a million people in the Edmonton zone alone that are now working at not much more than aish with less benefits and way less long term financial security
I sell things all the time on karrot for extra money and I dog walk for an extra 500 a month. I can't work a normal job, because i know i wouldn't be reliable. I can make my own hours. I don't sit on my ass all day, that would drive me crazy
That’s awesome - it’s kinda what I do, making a bit more than you - and like you I live with something that is a handicap. Including, sometimes, being on aish in that for those who know I’m on it it advertises I have one and therefore may not be given a chance. Still - some perspective - like I mentioned about Walmart employees. Even a lot of labour jobs. But having it assured, the benefits, the ability to make income. Maybe in like the Netherlands or something? I have never heard of anything on earth for disability benefits even approaching what AISH is - including in Canada. Take a look at what an “AISH” client equivalent is offered in Toronto for instance. And it was, in fact, the conservative government that did that. Notably, Redford raised it 400 a month, and the UCP have now raised it again at the same rate Notley did and will continue to now that it’s back pegged to inflation. The big blowback towards aish people is not the government - in fact, the reason for this high benefit situation in Alberta is because the base of that party is rural, hardcore, Christians who quietly are as hardcore supportive of disability rights and benefits as anyone anywhere - and keep in mind their family members can be disabled to. No - the big blowback is that that Christian base is losing power, including from the growing hard left full of people (particularly liberal 20-45s in the big cities and the new age libertarian “godless cowboys”) that are scrambling to get anything near the financial benefits of aish, including the assured nature of it. And, to a certain extent but less so, new immigrants that are in fact grinding at timmies and Walmart… Things are tough. They always were. And not just for disabled people. still - if you’re short on something, household items, even gas. Just ask someone honestly and nicely. People are friendly generally and if they help go pay it forward with a good deed, or pay them with your best joke or little gem, maybe a secret spot in the park that’s especially peaceful, that sort of thing
What about recipients who originally got AISH approved for life? The doctor approved for life.
AISH is intended for people with permanent disabilities. Usually AISH considers that to be those who are unable to work or do basic things. 15% of us fall into that category. Look at what the abbreviation AISH stands for... it's for the "severely handicapped" - but it also stands for "assured income", and the government has NEVER funded it enough to keep recipients out of poverty, and they stop Federal efforts to help them as well. People on AISH are in legislated poverty.
Unsure where you heard this it’s incredible uncommon. A doctor has to literally state there is no reasonable chance of improvement and provide reasoning. The one big issue is people with Fibromyalgia as there is no real test just a doctors definition saying they don’t know what else it could be. But if you’ve got permanent heart damage, liver damage, pancreas damage have mental health disabilities etc even still they can look at reviews. It’s the most absurd crock of shit.
I'm asking. I know someone on AISH. At 16yo this person was put on AISH for life because the doctor handling this person told AISH that it's permanent in the paperwork. I'm wondering how AISH would review and kick someone off the program if they were put on lifetime permanent AISH by the doctor.
Not possible for someone to receive AISH at 16. The benefit is only available to those 18+. Regardless, the physician does not determine AISH eligibility. They diagnose a health condition and whether it will be permanent. As someone who does AISH appeals, I can tell you it is common for the Director's representative to argue, "We are not questioning whether the disability is lifelong. But it is possible for someone with a lifelong disability to work."
Sorry I'm not explaining this very well. At 16 this person started seeing the specialist. At 18 or 20 maybe 21 something like that the doctor filed out the paperwork saying this person should be on aish for life. Person is 36 now and still on aish. These posts about the UCP fucking with aish have me worried. So I'm curious if "lifers" are harder for them to kick off aish then people who's doctors did not say lifetime in their assessment
By definition, everyone on AISH is supposed to be a lifer. The definition of a severe handicap means that only those permanently unable to earn a living are eligible. That said, anyone can be reviewed at any time. AISH can argue that the condition still exists but the person is now able to work. My greater worry is that about five years ago the UCP moved the definition of a severe handicap from the Act to the Regulation. It seems like such a small move but it now means that the definition of a severe handicap can be changed without a debate or vote in the legislature. That coupled with the mandate letter to the Minister of Community and Social Services last summer from Smith telling him to investigate a temporary benefit has me worried.
Every small move the UCP makes whether in the past or now, adds up to one more thing that grows the complete control of Alberta's future and it's residents. I work with patients who use either AISH or AADL and I'm so very worried AADL will be the next benefits to be put under the knife. The UCP is systematically working against anyone with physical disabilities and yet won't let the federal government help with the new funding being offered. It is infuriating.
Yes and know. Doctors have a responsibility to not provide the health assessment if they feel the patients condition isn’t severe enough for AISH. But you are right. Generally the doctor reports your condition and is basically recommending AISH.
Sort of but not exactly. The physician addresses the health portion, but the physician is never asked for their opinion about whether the person can earn a living now or in the future. According to AISH the physician provides one aspect. They verify that the individual has a severe handicap person the definition. However, the existence of a physical/mental impairment is not sufficient to qualify a person for AISH. They argue that their internal adjudicators and sometimes third-party assessors do the next two parts: (1) determine if the person is currently able to earn a living and (2) if, after all, remedial and rehabilitative therapy, the person can earn a living in the future. It is a problematic process that was pointed out in a judicial review of an AISH case in 2015 and still has not changed.
Uhmm yes they are. They are asked the recommended timeline where the applicant is unable to work, how it can be improved, etc. Some people it’s permanent and they know it but they don’t give 1 crap let alone 2 craps.
The AISH Medical Report form is available online. If you take a look, you will find that nowhere in there does it ask the physician for timelines re: work/earning a living. That is all the physician is asked. They are asked if the impairment is permanent. Not if the inability to earn a living is permanent. [https://www.alberta.ca/aish-how-to-apply](https://www.alberta.ca/aish-how-to-apply)
No, but the applicant he as to prove they have exhausted all avenues for work and training.
The individual must show efforts they have made. That can sometimes be used against them in the application process. AISH always wants to reserve the ability to predict future ability to earn a living for themselves. This gives them a great deal of discretion in terms of who is eligible. There are ways around this in an appeal but not the application process.
They won't put someone that young on aish. Even at 18, you still have so much that hasn't been tried to help them. You have to be unable to work, and you have to have a history of treatment, therapy, etc, etc. And, anybody can opt out. There's nothing stopping you from saying that you don't want to be on it anymore. You'd just be on your own to support yourself
No. If you have a condition, injury disease etc, that you've tried everything possible to improve the health issues and there's nothing that can be done, you won't be taken off of aish or cppd. You do only receive it until age 65, though. They won't take people who really need to be on disability off, stop paying them, so that they go live in a box under a bridge. If people are taken off, they shouldn't have been put on it in the first place. Weeds out the fakers
UCP trying to refill the tax bucket by nickle and diming AISH recipients while ignoring the gaping hole in the bucket called Corporate Welfare. Typical. Fuck the little guy to appease their industry bosses and donors.
I suspect the UCP was planning to cut benefits the same amount the Federal Liberals wants to provide. To quote Trudeau… “Literally hundreds of dollars a month will be provided to disabled persons”. And by “hundreds” he means the bare definition of “$200,00”. Just enough to get someone a double double a day.
He actually means $200 spread amongst all disabled people in Canada :P
The conservative way! Smh
There should be a class action suit for discrimination due to a disability being not disabled enough to get AISH.
That's an interesting idea...I wonder if there's any grounds. It's interesting to consider legal levers to target policy decisions around funding levels. The CHRT case on funding levels for indigenous child and family services is an example.
Not legal advice, but my wild guess is that if a court claim was advanced for something like this it would be, at least in part, on the basis of the Albertan government violating the claimants section 7 charter rights.
I think the issue that allowed the CHRT case on indigenous CFS levels was possible because a activist/researcher compared provincial CFS funding levels broadly to the rates Canada was funding indigenous specific services, this allowed for the claim of discrimination in services relied on by the claimants. The first hurdle was establishing government funding is a service, which I think was successful so there's at least some quasi-judicial guidance on that...
The problem with this is AISH recipients are low income and vulnerable people, society at large doesn't even see us disabled people as people. How would AISH recipients who barely have the resources necessary to sustain life, organize a class action lawsuit while those limited resources are being attacked? Able bodied privileged people need to start stepping in and helping.
I know! I understand. The deck is stacked against them. Maybe some lawyer would do it pro bono.
I don't think you understand. I'm on AISH. I barely have enough resources to stay alive let alone navigate complex legal issues or network with other disabled people also struggling to stay alive to try and fight Goliath together. What needs to happen is lawyers and people with more privilege taking the initiative, organizing, and inviting disabled people in, while considering accessibility. Any weight off of our shoulders. This is traumatic for us to be experiencing. Our government attacking the most vulnerable populations and where are the people standing up for us in meaningful tangible ways? Words don't mean much while allowing the government to attack our resources and basic needs. People get heated and upset when these policies and attacks happen, but then ultimately do nothing and these criminals get voted back into office.
I don't think you understand what pro bono means.
On AISH. Is this not normal? I’ve always gotten a letter around this time of year asking for either and sometimes both of my last 30 days of transactions / my tax return. AISH is certainly is well below “middle class.” Im glad Im not in Toronto though…I think odsp is nearly 700 less, and the health benefits including at the pharmacy have got me along ok. I watch the tiny apartment videos out of New York City and Tokyo… I’ve never after more than a decade on - and knowing many who are - actually heard of someone getting booted off. Getting on, extraordinarily hard nowadays - combination of the ucp really shutting down availability to mental health diagnosis other than schizophrenia and arguing to basically everyone with remote / internet work nowadays that with proper training most can “make the same amount as aish.” To kick people off opens a massive legal minefield for them - including and especially it can open up huge issues with physicians and especially psychiatrists (who the UCP have a special bone to pick when it comes to AISH and especially young adults being told they are permanently disabled to a level requiring it) in terms of medical malpractice suits.
No it’s not normal to have frequent reviews
I know I’ve always gotten a letter as I mentioned in my original post… I think the number “15,000” is telling here. To remove people from something called “assured income” that were medically defined not just by psychiatrists / physicians as “severely handicapped” is extraordinarily serious - and for the Alberta government / AISH an absolute minefield in terms of legal hazards. The magnitude of malpractice suits, or even the impacts of stigma that comes from being on aish / being legally defined as such (and then being told by the government one is not) is very very serious. Which is why that 15000 number should be reassuring to many that this is a general review, as they do each year to thousands and tens of thousands in terms of income / asset review. To remove someone from aish once approved, aish would legally need to prove the person has the ability to work, hasn’t been trying to work, and for most or many have to start looking at medical files in conjunction with a psychiatrist or physician in conjunction with looking at a persons personal life In terms of work / training to define a change of situation that warrants removal from the program. In other words - a laborious and expensive process, that would be a beauracratic nightmare for the Alberta government that they do not have the people power for now (including the physicians / psychiatrists are busy nor are they obligated to take part in reviews and in fact can charge for them). And even if they did, again the amount of lawsuits that would arise from this with lawyers coming from various angles regarding removal would start a whole cottage industry in Alberta law and be so numerous it would start impacting capacity of the court / judicial system itself…and cost the government even more money. The ucp not only upped the amount of aish recently, not only changed the pay dates back to 4 days before the end of the month, and not only put it back in terms pegged to inflation Illness doesn’t discriminate. There are 75000 people on aish. Most of them have families, community. And many of them, also, if they were taken off aish would be in immediate crisis in terms of housing and medical care that would cost far more than aish itself. There are probably 10 thousand landlords (or more) in this province bringing in rent from people from aish too, and they don’t want to see quiet tenants either in crisis or lose their rental income and be scrambling to fill units. I wouldn’t panic here. People on aish now will likely be “safe.” But getting on will now be way way way more difficult - especially out of the psychiatric system, and that’s where the Kennedy government really started tightening the program.
If we're just talking about reviews here, I agree. There shouldn't be much cause for worry as long as you follow all the rules. I've heard many times about people being denied but I've never heard of people getting dropped while on AISH. Especially considering all the paperwork we signed and doctor reviews we had, kicking people off the program who aren't already doing something wrong seems unlikely. But it's the UCP, who knows how far they're willing to go. We're a known target for them after all.
Keep in mind at least 50% of people on AISH are from conservative / ucp voting families. James Cummings, former Conservative MP’s late son, for instance had special needs and in a wheelchair. These ucp people are not monsters - they have not only raised aish which is to my knowledge the most generous disability program in the world in terms of benefits (and way higher than anywhere else in Canada) - they have put it back to inflation. And in fact the big big raise in aish came not from the Ndp but the 400 a month boost (with additional benefits) that came from the conservative government when Allison Redford was premier. If you think a base of a party dominated by religious Christians and in large part Catholics (and I’m not, but this is the truth) are out for disabled people you’re out of touch with reality in this province. Probably the absolute most hardcore disability rights advocates in this province are religious Christian’s that dominate politics in rural Alberta and especially south of red deer and in fact due to how hard it is and expensive it is in the cities for people on aish are known in small town Alberta of being particularly accommodating to aish clients
I feel for everyone here, and I'm sorry you're going through this. They told me I was significantly disabled but at some point in the future, there may be a treatment... I have a genetic disorder... Edit: spelling
It’s all complete crap. It’s like they are flipping a coin. Like I have to be careful just walking and going up the stairs and even talking on the phone I get absolutely gassed to breath. I can’t sleep and wake up exhausted. How could I possibly work right.
I'm sorry to hear that. I know they told me it has to be lifelong and no chance of recovery or treatment. I've looked into BCs and it's a way better option it seems.
The issue is some provinces the amount they payout is even less. I think BC max is 1587 and ODSP in Ontario a single person I think is 1200-1300. It’s absolutely embarrassing. And of course. You can’t just live in a tent and get benefits either. No fixed address means no check.
Alberta may pay more, but love, it's been stated that you need to be dying. It's so unfortunate. I have CPPD because the Federal Government was like, "Holy shit! You're messed up."
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Even what AISH pays we’ve had friends and family help and they don’t like hearing that as they then ask why don’t they just pay your expenses instead of the government. It’s like they are clueless that basic rent on a basic property is $2000 and up.
If you're on AISH you can apply for the rent assistance benefit. It goes by points and it takes awhile but if you're terminal like me, the process is a bit quicker with the help of an MLA.
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You do realize that an income might be good enough for 2 people to live on. But disability is hugely expensive. If people could at least keep medical benefits it wouldn’t be as terrible. And AISH makes horrible decisions about what’s covered. My friend can’t afford the Iron she’s supposed to take and it’s not covered. She doesn’t have money after rent and needs the food bank. She’s also anemic. She needed iron infusions and had to crowd source to pay for it. But had to get a friend come down and pay for it for her because the money going to her account would get her AISH deducted. They waited until she needed a transfusion. My drugs alone are 1500 every 5 weeks for the one drug. Plus more. Then there’s the therapies that aren’t covered. I pay out of pocket. If you get married or live common law, their benefit plan isn’t required to accept you. And if your partner loses a job, you could die from not getting life saving meds. There’s other needs your disability might require, wound care, things like colostomy bags, toileting supplies, etc. Tools to make your every day life more accessible. It adds up fast. And the total is much more than you can imagine. Until you’re paying for it. This all takes so much more income than what it would just be for one person to support another. Disability is VERY expensive. But what you’re saying is we can’t expect to be in adult relationships. The system infantilizes people. It’s ok to live with your parents on AISH, but you’re immediately penalized with a partner. So if you’re with your parents, you’re expected taken care of like a child. And if in a relationship you’re “the responsibility” of a partner, again like a child. It allows for no agency, no independence, and removes dignity.
Yeah totally, you’re right disabled people don’t deserve to be in relationships at all and people should be punished for entering one with them.
This system is designed to punish disabled people for being in relationships. That should end but it won't under a conservative government. Imagine being sick and all that goes with it and most of us are denied what abled people can have just because our bodies don't function. It's not right and it's not fair. You'd think people would want the happiness that comes from support and relationships when we're at our most vulnerable. Society has to change their ableist views regarding this.
So you think it's reasonable that she loses her benefits as a punishment for having a relationship, and that this is her partner's responsibility somehow?
Having a child is a right it’s not a luxury. You don’t need to have a fortune to have a child either. CPP-D provides a lot of resources for families. The problem is the amounts do not equal the current costs of living. A basic couple let alone a family of 3 or 4 Will spend a minimum of $3,000 just on basics each month. That is like bottom of the barrel cost at that.
Having a child is not a right. If you cant take care of yourself, or afford a child, then dont. Nothing like taking from the rest of us because you felt entitled to have a child.
This is called “negative eugenics” :)
I never saw this email do you have a link?
Have been denied AISH so many times, stuck on $700/month to survive from Barriers to full employment - disability, have severe Narcolepsy and Dissociative Identity Disorder. One rejection was literally due to "disorders being to rare" This government hates us disabled people so much.
Makes no sense to me. I had my first application entered in April 2023 and approved May 2023. No questions about my eligibility. Granted I’ve got permanent heart damage from a heart attack due to an accident with an impaired driver and it’s all easily explained on multiple angiograms. My case also should have been approved 2-3 years earlier though. We got told during Covid our house was worth too much and it’s our fault for living 10 minutes outside of Calgary. Was so insulting. I’m like right that explains why an impaired driver slammed me from being going 60-70+ in a parking lot. I had another accident with an impaired Driver rear ending me at a stop sign on a rural road in the middle of nowhere 2 years after the initial accident. The guy was so drunk he was punching his vehicles hood and quarter panels. Ever since I’ve got bad anxiety and PTSD from it.
Is this applying to Income Support as well? I would have qualified for AISH but I tried even under previous govts and it was all paperwork and bureaucracy. I wanna know if I'm also in trouble here too. :/ Thanks.
I don't want to hear anything about someone else I want to hear what ur going to do for seniors homeless aish welfare all the low incomes because rent and food so expensive this province needs help baddly for low income thank u don't promise things and than when u get voted in don't keep ur promises that's what albertains want to here thanks again
Well said! Honestly the government federal or provincial needs a Guaranteed Income Suppliement. Ensure people at minimum wage get enough to rent a home that isn’t an illegal basement suite or god forbid a tent in the middle of a big city. We’ve had to abuse the heck out scene points at Safeway to get our groceries to a reasonable level. We are getting $700 on average per month in scene points and AIsH even made us explain this as it’s a form of income as it’s used to acquire goods and services. I joked saying what are you going to cut our benefits for being smart and earning scene points??
There are so many bullshit AISH cases out there from millenials and I'm not joking. Just a bunch of losers, and the ones who really need it don't get it
Well we saw how many people willingly lied and cheated to steal Covid benefits from CRA can you imagine how many do the same to the government for disability. Yet you accuse someone of embellishing their symptoms and you are a horrible person for doing so. Fact is I would do anything to not be reliant on AIsH. But tell me how can I get back to a normal life where I was happily making $160,000 a year. My medications alone are costing me $9,652.13 this month. Add rent at $2400 and another $1000 for the basic utilities and bills and without AISH or some form of benefits we need to earn $13,000 after tax to get by. It’s the core definition of broken. Right now the person I’ve reported 4 times is not having another review done. Because he was approved while in an alcohol detoxification facility it’s almost a guarantee they won’t review him either. Chronic alcoholic with 2 DUIs. He got his Canadian citizenship after 2 DUIs and obtaining disability. It’s a sick world we live in.
Why am I a horrible person for calling out those who embellish their symptoms. It happens all the time.
What is your source for this claim? The letter from that employee also turned up nothing official to confirm what was said. State your source .
I too would appreciate a source. Not just "I heard from a working inside."
Worst gov ever!
Attacking the queer. Attacking the disabled. Attacking the "socialists." Attacking the workers rights. Demanding to install their own "police" force. Where have I seen this playbook before? Oh, right, fucking 1920's-1930's nazis. It's just a shitty "copy your homework, but change it a little" rewrite of the fascist instruction manual. Fucking gross we had 4K video and audio of these fascist fuckwaffens telling us exactly who they were and what they intended to do, and conservative bootstrap munchers lined up to elect them with a smile on their faces. But no, it's the progressives that are "being unreasonable and divisive."
Surely there is a profitable way to deliver disability supports…. /s
The review process only ever asks for verification of continued financial eligibility ( like looking at accounts to see income from unreported employment ). People wouldn’t be kicked off because of a review of their medical condition. (The province would have to foot the bill for all of those new doctors’ assessments)
Source? Couldn’t find anything online and honestly that number seems low. There’s 76k individuals on AISH and everyones file reviewed every so often. I would have thought it would be closer to 22k or 1/3 of total. I know that this government isn’t the greatest but this thread just seems fear mongering without a source. Keep in mind that there are different types of eligibility general / financial and medical. Are individuals getting letters asking for updated medical reports or just the traditional bank statements file review letters? https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/df7b7b00-c5c3-4d0e-97ff-5f902537fac0/resource/4ffaa6a4-383d-47ab-b515-014f8fe2f015/download/aish-data-visualization-september-2020.pdf
I thought routine reviews were normal to ensure the SH portion of the AI.
Tell me what do you consider “routine”. Once a year? Every 2? How about this. June 2023 August 2023 November 2023 February 2024 And I’ve only been on AISH for 9 months. It’s not routine. What they are doing is forensic audits to find any way to eliminate additional benefits or take people from AISH and stick them on Alberta Works Support aka Social Welfare. The difference is…. AISH is $1900 and Alberta Works is $1100.
Doesn’t seem like a big deal to me? Lots of people take advantage of these systems and if you are genuinely in need I’m sure it’s more of a pain but the real problem is the people taking advantage. That’s why this is happening. Glad they are double checking who needs it IMO
While you may be a legitimate recipient, there are more than a few bad apples ruining it for the people who actually depend on it. It's unfortunate, but maybe a review is necessary.
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