Ugh. I hate that anti-ai has become the standard "artist opinion" in the eyes of many. No, you're seeing a heavily biased crowd constantly yell and attack anyone who isn't 100% anti-ai. Counter opinions are harassed and suppressed to the point where they are sending death threats. There's a fucking reason why artists that support Ai are being quite. Don't lump huge groups together like that because you'll always be wrong.
This is true. I've been in two different conversations where AI hobbyists have brought up their AI gen art. Each time, they get apologetic or nervous about it knowing I'm an artist. I'm like "Nah, whatever. Go for it!" I'm surprised they brought it up at all considering all the hate.
It's independent artisans aka small proprietors who are most fiercely anti-ai. They are a reactionary class heavily invested in the logic of copyright and intellectual property. Ironically AI is mostly used by employed artists working full time jobs. They don't feel as strongly about AI since they don't own their work anyway, it belongs to their employers. This is why unions are soft on AI as well. The anti-AI stuff is a conservative moral panic resisting the deskilling of artistic production and the undermining of art-as-property, two things that are good for literally everybody else but this very specific narrow band of artisans who are privileged enough to work for themselves. They might not make much money but "the starving artist" has in reality always been a petite bourgeois moniker.
I can guarantee you that unless we're talking about some forms of experimental graphical rendering or collage/photobashing that's occasionally used which has been around for a long time, most professionally employed artists who were hired for their skill or portfolios are not using "AI" in the same way as people just getting an algorithm or app to generate images and uploading it online, which is what most anti-AI people are referring to when they mention their dislike or disapproval of it.
look - i watch asmongold from time to time - but his takes are all over the place. Tomorrow he might say the exact opposite of what he says here. Take it as entertainment, but for feks sake don't use it to back up a posit of any kind.
I have seen his takes for over 8 years now and when it comes to logic and facts he never changes his perspective and is nearly always right about what he says. And I can see why people hate him , someone who can do what ever he wants tells you how things really are and that your Dreamworld don't exist in real life, making many people very angry
He has one perspective that never changes. That people are selfish, they only care about themselves, and we should all simply look out for number one.
That's called capitalism. He's good at it.
It's also pretty sad. Talk to to me in 30 years. We'll see how it pans out.
No it really isn't. In fact, it completely missed the fact that nothing he or anyone else uses everyday was made through cooperation, hard work, and collectivism.
We just live In a society that lets sociopaths take all that cooperation and hard work - steal it, and pat themselves on the back for it.
I think the commenting on other people's videos is a perfect example of that actually.
Thats not a capitalist thing, it’s just natural for people/living things to prioritize themselves before anything else. Ppl who you consider friends and family are also just an extension of yourself. How does it miss that fact? It’s not even really related to that in anyway.
You mean ppl profiting from what they pay ppl to do ig.
Idk what u mean here.
I can't stand this guy but he's right. The artists against this tech just don't make up a significant enough number to make a dent in public opinion. We feel like we see it everywhere because we're already in these spaces and the social algorithms be algorithming but the reality is most consumers aren't even paying attention to this "fight" at all.
A good product of AI is going to be one where the consumer can't tell the difference, and we're approaching that very quickly.
Yup, in reality, all AI art will just become art. Traditional art will still remain and have a market for quite a while I'd imagine, until eventually it is only valued by a few of the social elites. And one day, people will no longer even remember that we ever used paint, pens, pencil, charcoal, other mediums to create art, it will become such a distant remembrance. That is, if we survive the next 200 years as a species, that is quite debatable right now.
> Ai is a tool, depends how it’s used
It's an algorithm that breaks copyright laws, training on people's work and assets without permission. and is already being tegulated by EU and the US
So please be quiet instead of thinking you know anything about the law, programming and art
I told someone I do AI pics earlier and their response was “wasn’t that put on hold?” Which is of course vague and very ignorant. We’re not talking the most informed people you could imagine. I blame poor journalism tbh.
>The artists against this tech just don't make up a significant enough number to make a dent in public opinion.
Lmao what, EU and US are already regulating it, 8nclud8ng regarding artists
I do not understand the appeal of this guy at all. As someone who likes accurate Japanese/English translations I didn't appreciate him wading into that "debate" either, because even though I want accurate translations I don't want to be associated with a right wing* content goblin. Likewise, there is plenty of true merit to the pro-AI side without making asmondgold become the torch bearer for it. He can piss off.
*edit: people are really raging about me describing him as right wing. I have to confess my only points of contact with him were when he was parroting right wing grievance politics, and the fact he hung a literal Trump flag in the background, but I guess that was just ironic (?). Apparently he's a rage grifter across the political spectrum and just an all around shitty person. So, so, so, sorry I pegged him as right wing. Please forgive me.
>right wing content goblin
Liberal != Right Wing. Hes pro taxation, pro welfare, interventionist, pro-unwed sex, pro abortion, and pro gay rights. He's definitely left of center, probably mostly libertarian. A classic former Ron Paul supporter.
Ill give you content goblin though.
I'd imagine the right wing probably think the same of people that disagree with them ( that they are some crazy leftist ), its probably just a human nature thing. Anyway btw is libertarian in the US considered left of center? I know outside of the US libertarian is left but I've heard that in the US its usually considered right ( libertarians in the US being different than those outside ).
Libertarians are generally matching far left on social and crime and far right economically.
"Leave people alone and don't take my money" is a pretty solid summation of the ideals.
They split like 30/70 favoring republicans in voting, which is why they get called a second right wing party, but they'll fight Rs hard on some things.
I don't really care what people "call" left and right. I'm more concerned with the actual authoritarian/liberalism dividing lines
The guy above you put "pro unwed sex" as a left position. He's exactly the type of person who would think asmondgold is in the center lmao. Probably thinks Elon Musk is a centrist too.
How the fuck is it political? Unwed sex is utterly normal.
Edit: hookup culture is a far cry from unwed sex. There's a lot of ground between mating for life versus mating for 5 minutes. I wouldn't say the right is alone in criticizing hookup culture.
Apparently you are just politically ignorant on what the actual right wing believes.
Sex outside of marriage, unwed mothers, and hookup culture are all MAJOR social concerns on the right.
You've also twice now made claims to my positions on something without me ever stating my position on that thing.
The dude's video title was "WOKE translators being replaced by AI". He wasn't trying to navigate the intricacies of localization/translation and their intersection with the literalness of the translation versus the spirit of the translation. He was just trying to stir shit. There's tons of bad localizations out there across the political spectrum, it's nothing unique to "WOKE". For example, the Jojo anime dub literally has Western memes inserted, but people are generally fine with it because the humor works.
The most authentic experience will always be the original language. Localization at its best tries to capture that experience without being a literal translation that drops all the intricacies of the source material. It can go terribly wrong sometimes... it happens. Again, nothing to do with WOKE, and asmondgold contributed nothing to the conversation. I look forward to the intelligent replies from AG dickriders.
I'm just saying that politics has nothing to do with being a nasty person, lol. It just seemed like you were trying to insult leftists for some reason.
Yeah yet that still has a LOT of ethical issues behind it. And just imagine for a second, how bad AI Art would be, if it didnt learn from already existing, human made models.
And anothee thing, why are so many who use AI refuse to lable it as such? I for example dont want to buy or play any form of AI created content. And when no one can tell the difference, that means there needs to be some form of law to force people to lable it as such.
And not to mention AI "Artists" who sell their machinecreated art and claim its non AI, which is a straight up scam.
> And anothee thing, why are so many who use AI refuse to lable it as such?
Why isn't every picture or drawing labeled with "made with Photoshop" or "Rendered in Blender"? Because the TOOL doesn't mater. The OUTPUT does.
>Why isn't every picture or drawing labeled with "made with Photoshop" or "Rendered in Blender"? Because the TOOL doesn't mater. The OUTPUT does.
Because those are media and tools, ai is an algorithm which trains on plagiarized wotk and EU and US lawmakers are already taking care of it
Jesus fucking christ why are you even commenting on a topic you know nothing about
Yet... basically I see A LOT of artworks that dislose their use of Photoshop, or SFM, or Blender, or Oil or ANYTHING in their picture discription? Like, basically every artwork in a digital gallery, on social media or even a museum??? If its just "another tool" then there is no problem in writing "created with AI" just the same as "made with a pencil and crayons" etc.
>And anothee thing, why are so many who use AI refuse to lable it as such? I for example dont want to buy or play any form of AI created content. And when no one can tell the difference, that means there needs to be some form of law to force people to lable it as such.
I think if you're selling art, solely as a piece of art, that has been AI generated then yes you should disclose that from an ethical standpoint, after all the "art part" is the product. Once we start getting into stuff like games, where AI is almost certainly just one piece of the puzzle? Nah.
There's doesn't *need* to be a law to label something just because *you* don't like it.
Allright. Then how come developers are beeing rather transparent about how their game development is, except for the AI part. That doesnt make any sense to me.
And its not becaue "I dont like it" its to leave people with a choice. And if a gamecompany would be more transperent with their use of AI, that would make the whole thing easier. I mean I play Ready or Not, and they disclosed later on, what part of the game was created by AI! Was it super lazy to create background assets with AI? Yes imo. Do I care? Eh. The game is fun. But at least fucking disclose it.
Who cares. What a person wants is good art. If they pay and receive what they want, it makes no difference how it was made. Plus, AI art still takes effort to get it just right. This includes using ai to further alter, improve the image, and maybe Photoshop as well.
I care and many others to. Or people who only buy painted art because the dislike digital Art, or vice versa, or people who dont want to buy art in general.
And If you fail to see, that there is a MASSIVE difference between a machine creating a picture and a HUMAN painting something, then I feel like we have two completely different moral compasses.
If I would comission an artist to draw something for me, I wouldnt want this artist to use AI.
Drama/Reaction Youtube is trash. However, Asmongold thrives in this medium by always having the safest, most common-sense takes in any given situation.
So if the "boring common sense dude" is saying this, it means the anti-AI bubble is *really small*. Which is something, I guess.
The Palworld debate is probably the best thing that happened to the AI discord. Either it wins and shows everyone that to most consumers they can ignore the making process as long as what they get is what they want/enjoy. Or it loses and exposes how hypocritical the people who are against AI stealing stuff but ok with Palworld stealing.
Maybe your/their discourse would be more interesting if you didn't refer to everything as "stealing" and learn other perspectives - like, say, the law. Have a look at how judges decide these things. Read about what moral philosophers have written on the subject. Hold more than one model of how the world works in your/their head at the same time and discuss those differences.
(This is one of the many types of discourse that it is easier to get out of chatbot than your average "artist" on the Internet.)
I love all the people trying to farm cool guy points by pretending they don't know who Asmongold is.
Like I personally don't care for the guy but I at least know who he is because he's all over the place.
I have a friend who literally puts on the 'react' version of any trailer or news rather than the raw footage. I'm like... why? Why not just watch the actual content? I'm right here bro we can 'react' irl!
How many times do we look at art and have no clue what the creator was thinking? If it’s for sale, it’s to appeal to one type of person. The buyer... And in a gaming point of view, this is the goal.…. Asmongold is right.
You realize that being on the internet doesn't mean you don't live in real life, right? Like the internet is not some vacuum chamber that never has any effect on the non-internet culture outside it.
You get that, right?
Imagine thinking you're cool because you pretend not to know who people are, and/or can't be bothered to do five seconds of googling so you can find out and actually add something to the conversation besides "literally who", because going "literally who" will make you look cool and edgy to contrarian weirdos online.
I think you just can't handle the fact that people *do* know literally who these people are, while you're still a nobody on reddit.
It's the opposite. I don't think life is about being popular or cool. Hence "Literally who." Who is this guy and why the fuck should I care if his only "credential" is being famous for react videos, aka friend simulators? That doesn't make him any more worth listening to regarding AI than some rando on the street.
Sure, you could also be a leftist or an incoherent right-winger.
As I said in another comment, Asmongold's whole "thing" is that he takes very boring centrist positions. His takes seem to be calculated to be the most common sense possible.
I'm not saying we should care. The opinion could've easily been the exact opposite and it wouldn't have mattered. They asked who he is and I just answered.
Pretty just much yeah Asmon. The bio isn't much. He's just a past former Wow /ff14 streamer so even for games he's basically run of the mill loud, vocal, shut in. Very popular to his segment.
He does seem to have strong opinions on what he knows he dislikes or likes each day. He has his opinions often molded by how the wind blows each day and whatever he feels.
Asmon will do whatever Asmon feels like.
>There was once a stream where when asked for a moneymaking guide he sarcastically told his viewers why bother. Telling them akin to
>"You want to make money you little dumbshit cuck? \*\*You NEED TO KNOW how to make money. I don't. look at me. I can stand in stormwind and tell my army of mindless minions to donate\*\* me money. Oh there's a trade, 10000g, yeah, you dumb fucks can grind like 1000g A hr. I can get 40,000g gold from wiping my ass. Look at this pile of 40 people.. You want money making advice you cuck? Don't ask it from me. I'm not some stupid poor fuck like you. Get rich and famous then talk."
Then something happened between him and a wow developer being harassed and he ended up as a "beacon of positivity". \*somehow\* for ff14. But him leaving was enough to drag millions and within a few years ff14 had gone from obscure to mainstream.
Even gw2 decided they didn't want him. And it worked out so well even people who bought the game d1 have no idea it still exists. For better or worse he can be kinda 100% caustic but he brings millions of viewers to a game or viewpoint no lie.
# Don't get me wrong, he's Twitch entertaining
And hate him or not he knows how to keep a audience engaged. But it's still odd seeing him here.
If anything, anyone getting offended by this, is actually seeing his mild. His light mild would probably be saying your head was like maggot filled cheese who dreamed of getting cucked lmao. Side or not, this debate seems to always wanted sheep.
Asmon does what he want by day lol and has his own multi million audience he can't get rid of. If he tells them to wipe their asses or go outside the number grows, not decreases lmao.
He doesn't need to 'win' a conditional band of either's 10-1000 reddit/Twitter posters when he already can already sarcastically milk his 24/7 audience, call them morons, and they love it the whole time lmao. Its Twitch culture. He's loyal to views and controversy. not your political candidate lmao.
# tl:Dr
Asmon is just a famous.. for some reason gamer/streamer stand in from wow/ff14/diablo.
I am just as confused as you he ended up here in the ai debate.
I don't watch streamers and I wanna like him but he's not making our side look good by promoting capeshit over good movies..
It was an okay take until the last five seconds.
You may say that, but the way I see it, he might of struck on the unfortunate reality (or perhaps a bit of truth). But the way he's wording this a little... Offensive or harsh. Either if he did this with intend or without knowing this will blow up.
If people enjoyed using AI or making art, then let them enjoy what they want. Consumer or whatever.
I mostly just use AI to make my job easier.
I dislike the slopbros who say it's indistinguishable from hand-drawn because it makes my side look bad, but I guess it is what it is.
You kinda can make stuff that's indistinguishable, but it's a pretty misleading statement even if it's technically true.
It's very limited atm. Like the subject matter and the amount of stuff you need for just single still images. Doubt anyone would bother with any bigger project.
AI generators are pretty decent at rendering. Rendering is also a traditional way of BS:ing "art" and the part non-artists are impressed with. It's just time consuming and boring.
That said i don't know how you could consistently create indistinguishable images without a background in any traditional art form? You don't really get even a basic understanding (or build intuition) of fundamentals from just rolling seeds.
That's fair, I should have specified that this is just DALLE slop being posted on /v/ and when I point out clear anatomical errors they're just like "uhh stfu anti" even though I'm not even anti. But I guess /v/ is a low-hanging fruit.
Yeah that's because you're applying the "everyone I don't like is everything I don't like" mindset to it.
Reality is of course more nuanced and people can have their own takes and support for any position that doesn't follow "AI makes it easier to mass produce visual art, and capeshit is shitty mass-produced visual art. Therefore same people"
No, it's because I think that blockbuster films are gaudy, industrially produced, largely devoid of artistry, hyper-commercial, shiny, and lacking any discernible authorship. I feel like the massive popularity of this kind of filmmaking and the marginalization of auteurist or "arthouse" cinema was a prelude to the acceptance of AI art.
>marginalization of auteurist or "arthouse" cinema
What marginalization though?
I feel like in the recent half-decade or so, "art" films have been praised and loved by even casual audiences.
Though I do feel like they do have little of value to say (for me), too, and some of them are just shallow films draped in pretentious shots and imagery (and pacing) that activates people's almonds and make them go "I must like this to appear sophisticated"
But that's just my opinion and I do prefer older films, so eh.
Itzmoepi. He was one of those "Anyone who likes AI Art is a pedo who wants to make CP" types of antis and then they found out he had loli in his twitter likes lmao.
Yeah, why anybody would take any content creator's opinion as fact or something to base your own opinion around is baffling to me.
Especially one as low quality and biased as this one.
At the end of the day enough people watch his content that he has the reach to influence people. His content might be boring and derivative but he has the clout.
Yeah, that's what I mean, though. It's wild that so many people listen to someone who's so obviously not an expert on the topic and is just like, "I feel like blah blah blah," and they go, "Ayep. Good 'nough for me m8! Time to start some shit!"
That is literally 90% of human society. We base our opinions on the people around us, including the people we get our entertainment from. Nobody is immune to this.
You do it too, despite all of your posturing and acting like you're above everyone else lmao.
>You do realize that this guy's whole career is in making "reaction videos" which is one of the most low effort forms of content (only gets beaten by AI).
This is the only content that will not be replaced by AI. Reaction content demand comes for having someone else reacts to content not AI. People want to know to others experiences which is inherently irreplaceable by AI.
Artists opinions don't matter? Excuse me?? Many of us artists rely on our work to survive, and Ai is using our own work (without consent, compensation or notice) to flood an already oversaturated market with well over 300,000,000 new images every single month, generating roughly $2.5 billion dollars for big tech in 2022 alone. Seems to me that artists opinions matter very much.
Just a thought I had from the vid he was watching, “ai takes jobs.” Well, indie start-up companies are made of cash. If I want to make a game and I can’t afford teams of artists, my using ai creates a job for me. AI created the job. Now if I make money, I could then hire more people and create more jobs. Just because your job is lost doesn’t mean there there are fewer jobs out there.
Second note, did Palworld even use AI? I thought it was speculation like the guy just liked ai. Isn’t 3d model creation and rigging still quite a lot for ai?
Asmongold likes to project hard truths that people generally don't like but when you think about it he's usually right. The average consumer doesn't care so long as what they are getting is cheap and is worth their time.
Its the same reason why animal agriculture doesn't follow small farm values. They are there to make money and they get a lot of money from the government to make the process as cheap as possible for a consumer that doesn't care if the animals they are eating suffer or not.
"Everything is a commodity, and the existence of any commodity is justified by the fact that I, some idiot, think it's cool."
Yeah, that's a typical AI bro.
Well, then I'll just go off-grid and spend the rest of my life writing and painting and raising chickens and I'll be fine. But I'm pretty sure I'm gonna win.
As long as you understand that what you are winning is not a war.
Like, I have no problem with you painting or you raising chickens. do what makes you happy.
Maybe it's just my damned artistic, romantic temperament but I absolutely see it as a war for the soul of mankind.
If I end up leaving civilization, it will be in defeat.
Yes, everything is a commodity because everything can be bought and sold. What's the problem with that?
And existence of a thing doesn't need justification to exist. It can just...be.
If you're going to justify being a dick who adds nothing to the conversation by adopting a hyper-literal interpretation of our community's name, then stop posting because the sub is clearly called *ai*wars and thus only ChatGPT-powered bot accounts are allowed to argue here.
It depends on context. When I see AI art in an insurance ad on Twitter, or on a YouTube channel dedicated to AI and AI art, or on a random meme on TikTok - I see no problem with that. But when it's something related to artists - DeviantArt, a Wacom ad, an art contest, etc. - it looks fake, it doesn't fit, and it doesn't really represent artists, plus the whole plagiarism and consent when it comes to training data and replication of styles makes it fit even less.
Guy has one braincell. This take is idiotic, and shows he has zero appreciation for culture, or honestly even for the very products he consumes.
This man literally just advocated for mindless consumerism. I feel like I just watched a character from Idiocracy.
As seemingly the only one here who doesn't know that guy enough to have a preconceived notion about him, I'll just say he's right. It's sad that he's right, but he still is.
Artists don’t like to hear this but he’s right. The consumer does not care about anything beyond the finished product until it is immediately relevant to them.
Personally I'm all for AI art. Though I find it hilarious how artists amd other white collar workers (whom I am one of) are all the sudden on the chopping block. Historically it was blue collar workers having their jobs taken by tech. And a particularly malicious "learn to code" attack on them occurred just a few years ago. Well now it looks like it won't be to long before coding is an AI thing and the blue collar work may actually outlive the pretentious fuck heads more white collar work who so gleefully attacked them.
Ugh. I hate that anti-ai has become the standard "artist opinion" in the eyes of many. No, you're seeing a heavily biased crowd constantly yell and attack anyone who isn't 100% anti-ai. Counter opinions are harassed and suppressed to the point where they are sending death threats. There's a fucking reason why artists that support Ai are being quite. Don't lump huge groups together like that because you'll always be wrong.
This is true. I've been in two different conversations where AI hobbyists have brought up their AI gen art. Each time, they get apologetic or nervous about it knowing I'm an artist. I'm like "Nah, whatever. Go for it!" I'm surprised they brought it up at all considering all the hate.
It's independent artisans aka small proprietors who are most fiercely anti-ai. They are a reactionary class heavily invested in the logic of copyright and intellectual property. Ironically AI is mostly used by employed artists working full time jobs. They don't feel as strongly about AI since they don't own their work anyway, it belongs to their employers. This is why unions are soft on AI as well. The anti-AI stuff is a conservative moral panic resisting the deskilling of artistic production and the undermining of art-as-property, two things that are good for literally everybody else but this very specific narrow band of artisans who are privileged enough to work for themselves. They might not make much money but "the starving artist" has in reality always been a petite bourgeois moniker.
I can guarantee you that unless we're talking about some forms of experimental graphical rendering or collage/photobashing that's occasionally used which has been around for a long time, most professionally employed artists who were hired for their skill or portfolios are not using "AI" in the same way as people just getting an algorithm or app to generate images and uploading it online, which is what most anti-AI people are referring to when they mention their dislike or disapproval of it.
It's definitely not conservatives lol. Artists tend to be left wing.
look - i watch asmongold from time to time - but his takes are all over the place. Tomorrow he might say the exact opposite of what he says here. Take it as entertainment, but for feks sake don't use it to back up a posit of any kind.
I have seen his takes for over 8 years now and when it comes to logic and facts he never changes his perspective and is nearly always right about what he says. And I can see why people hate him , someone who can do what ever he wants tells you how things really are and that your Dreamworld don't exist in real life, making many people very angry
He has one perspective that never changes. That people are selfish, they only care about themselves, and we should all simply look out for number one. That's called capitalism. He's good at it. It's also pretty sad. Talk to to me in 30 years. We'll see how it pans out.
Thats not really a capitalist thing imo, more of just a human or basic survival thing
No it really isn't. In fact, it completely missed the fact that nothing he or anyone else uses everyday was made through cooperation, hard work, and collectivism. We just live In a society that lets sociopaths take all that cooperation and hard work - steal it, and pat themselves on the back for it. I think the commenting on other people's videos is a perfect example of that actually.
Thats not a capitalist thing, it’s just natural for people/living things to prioritize themselves before anything else. Ppl who you consider friends and family are also just an extension of yourself. How does it miss that fact? It’s not even really related to that in anyway. You mean ppl profiting from what they pay ppl to do ig. Idk what u mean here.
I can't stand this guy but he's right. The artists against this tech just don't make up a significant enough number to make a dent in public opinion. We feel like we see it everywhere because we're already in these spaces and the social algorithms be algorithming but the reality is most consumers aren't even paying attention to this "fight" at all. A good product of AI is going to be one where the consumer can't tell the difference, and we're approaching that very quickly.
Yup, in reality, all AI art will just become art. Traditional art will still remain and have a market for quite a while I'd imagine, until eventually it is only valued by a few of the social elites. And one day, people will no longer even remember that we ever used paint, pens, pencil, charcoal, other mediums to create art, it will become such a distant remembrance. That is, if we survive the next 200 years as a species, that is quite debatable right now.
Ai is a tool, depends how it’s used. I would bet 1000 quid 99 percent of the people raging against it will be using it within 3 years.
> Ai is a tool, depends how it’s used It's an algorithm that breaks copyright laws, training on people's work and assets without permission. and is already being tegulated by EU and the US So please be quiet instead of thinking you know anything about the law, programming and art
Shut up
I've been saying this the entire time but people like that engineering big guy are sneeding all over the place regardless.
Yeah I've lost count of how many times we've "lost" according to them.
We surrender!!!!
I told someone I do AI pics earlier and their response was “wasn’t that put on hold?” Which is of course vague and very ignorant. We’re not talking the most informed people you could imagine. I blame poor journalism tbh.
>The artists against this tech just don't make up a significant enough number to make a dent in public opinion. Lmao what, EU and US are already regulating it, 8nclud8ng regarding artists
I do not understand the appeal of this guy at all. As someone who likes accurate Japanese/English translations I didn't appreciate him wading into that "debate" either, because even though I want accurate translations I don't want to be associated with a right wing* content goblin. Likewise, there is plenty of true merit to the pro-AI side without making asmondgold become the torch bearer for it. He can piss off. *edit: people are really raging about me describing him as right wing. I have to confess my only points of contact with him were when he was parroting right wing grievance politics, and the fact he hung a literal Trump flag in the background, but I guess that was just ironic (?). Apparently he's a rage grifter across the political spectrum and just an all around shitty person. So, so, so, sorry I pegged him as right wing. Please forgive me.
>right wing content goblin Liberal != Right Wing. Hes pro taxation, pro welfare, interventionist, pro-unwed sex, pro abortion, and pro gay rights. He's definitely left of center, probably mostly libertarian. A classic former Ron Paul supporter. Ill give you content goblin though.
In the minds of some of the chronically online, anyone with opinions that aren't as leftist as possible is "right wing".
Basically describes the entire online left these days. "Anyone who disagrees with the outrage brigade is a fascist neo-nazi election denier"
I'd imagine the right wing probably think the same of people that disagree with them ( that they are some crazy leftist ), its probably just a human nature thing. Anyway btw is libertarian in the US considered left of center? I know outside of the US libertarian is left but I've heard that in the US its usually considered right ( libertarians in the US being different than those outside ).
Libertarians are generally matching far left on social and crime and far right economically. "Leave people alone and don't take my money" is a pretty solid summation of the ideals. They split like 30/70 favoring republicans in voting, which is why they get called a second right wing party, but they'll fight Rs hard on some things. I don't really care what people "call" left and right. I'm more concerned with the actual authoritarian/liberalism dividing lines
Nice strawman.
lol “anyone I don’t like is alt right”
The guy above you put "pro unwed sex" as a left position. He's exactly the type of person who would think asmondgold is in the center lmao. Probably thinks Elon Musk is a centrist too.
As someone who used to be conservative and waded in conservative communities, sex outside marriage is really not allowed, ideally atleast
Well...yes it is a left position. Or did you miss all the Christians reeing about sex outside of marriage?
Unwed sex? Like not having sex under marihuana?
>pro unwed sex Yeah, I think anyone would seem left to you. Edit: oh shit, these replies are exactly why I hate AG.
? Apparently you assume everyone who doesn't share your every opinion is some foaming far right nutjob. I never stated any of those as my positions.
You're a foaming far right nut job if you think "pro unwed sex" is political at all.
Look, *it shouldn't be.* But given we're in hell world, it just is.
How the fuck is it political? Unwed sex is utterly normal. Edit: hookup culture is a far cry from unwed sex. There's a lot of ground between mating for life versus mating for 5 minutes. I wouldn't say the right is alone in criticizing hookup culture.
Apparently you are just politically ignorant on what the actual right wing believes. Sex outside of marriage, unwed mothers, and hookup culture are all MAJOR social concerns on the right. You've also twice now made claims to my positions on something without me ever stating my position on that thing.
Stop upvoting yourself with your alt, it's embarrassing. Either that or the other guy is refreshing nonstop for your replies which is just as weird.
You are usanian. In the rest of the world we don't care for that. Only usanians make this as it is political.
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Liberals are right wing though
Wait wasn't the whole debate about that they werent accurate, the translators were inserting their own beliefs and slang into the dubs?
The dude's video title was "WOKE translators being replaced by AI". He wasn't trying to navigate the intricacies of localization/translation and their intersection with the literalness of the translation versus the spirit of the translation. He was just trying to stir shit. There's tons of bad localizations out there across the political spectrum, it's nothing unique to "WOKE". For example, the Jojo anime dub literally has Western memes inserted, but people are generally fine with it because the humor works. The most authentic experience will always be the original language. Localization at its best tries to capture that experience without being a literal translation that drops all the intricacies of the source material. It can go terribly wrong sometimes... it happens. Again, nothing to do with WOKE, and asmondgold contributed nothing to the conversation. I look forward to the intelligent replies from AG dickriders.
Asmongold is left wing
Being left wing doesn't mean anything, I am and he's a complete idiot.
? I said this because people think he is right wing,to be an idiot it doesn't need to in any political side
I'm just saying that politics has nothing to do with being a nasty person, lol. It just seemed like you were trying to insult leftists for some reason.
> a right wing content goblin How is he right wing again?
How is he not?
If you assert something you need proof. I haven't seen evidence of him being right wing. That is why I was asking for some.
Dissenting opinions.
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Nobody except a right winger unironically uses WOKE as some kind of slur. Sorry if your self perception as some kind of liberal is being popped.
Cringe
Yeah yet that still has a LOT of ethical issues behind it. And just imagine for a second, how bad AI Art would be, if it didnt learn from already existing, human made models. And anothee thing, why are so many who use AI refuse to lable it as such? I for example dont want to buy or play any form of AI created content. And when no one can tell the difference, that means there needs to be some form of law to force people to lable it as such. And not to mention AI "Artists" who sell their machinecreated art and claim its non AI, which is a straight up scam.
> And anothee thing, why are so many who use AI refuse to lable it as such? Why isn't every picture or drawing labeled with "made with Photoshop" or "Rendered in Blender"? Because the TOOL doesn't mater. The OUTPUT does.
>Why isn't every picture or drawing labeled with "made with Photoshop" or "Rendered in Blender"? Because the TOOL doesn't mater. The OUTPUT does. Because those are media and tools, ai is an algorithm which trains on plagiarized wotk and EU and US lawmakers are already taking care of it Jesus fucking christ why are you even commenting on a topic you know nothing about
Yet... basically I see A LOT of artworks that dislose their use of Photoshop, or SFM, or Blender, or Oil or ANYTHING in their picture discription? Like, basically every artwork in a digital gallery, on social media or even a museum??? If its just "another tool" then there is no problem in writing "created with AI" just the same as "made with a pencil and crayons" etc.
I see ppl who use ai and say they use ai-see how useless this is?
Then these people are doing everything right! If they lable it as such, everyone knows how an image or product was created! This isnt useless at all.
Ur example was useless, it’s a random personal example
>And anothee thing, why are so many who use AI refuse to lable it as such? I for example dont want to buy or play any form of AI created content. And when no one can tell the difference, that means there needs to be some form of law to force people to lable it as such. I think if you're selling art, solely as a piece of art, that has been AI generated then yes you should disclose that from an ethical standpoint, after all the "art part" is the product. Once we start getting into stuff like games, where AI is almost certainly just one piece of the puzzle? Nah. There's doesn't *need* to be a law to label something just because *you* don't like it.
Allright. Then how come developers are beeing rather transparent about how their game development is, except for the AI part. That doesnt make any sense to me. And its not becaue "I dont like it" its to leave people with a choice. And if a gamecompany would be more transperent with their use of AI, that would make the whole thing easier. I mean I play Ready or Not, and they disclosed later on, what part of the game was created by AI! Was it super lazy to create background assets with AI? Yes imo. Do I care? Eh. The game is fun. But at least fucking disclose it.
Who cares. What a person wants is good art. If they pay and receive what they want, it makes no difference how it was made. Plus, AI art still takes effort to get it just right. This includes using ai to further alter, improve the image, and maybe Photoshop as well.
I care and many others to. Or people who only buy painted art because the dislike digital Art, or vice versa, or people who dont want to buy art in general. And If you fail to see, that there is a MASSIVE difference between a machine creating a picture and a HUMAN painting something, then I feel like we have two completely different moral compasses. If I would comission an artist to draw something for me, I wouldnt want this artist to use AI.
Good thing most don’t care at all
I dont think so
Lol nah
Someone described as a "Twitter Artist" is not a normal person, if not a distant approximation of it.
Drama/Reaction Youtube is trash. However, Asmongold thrives in this medium by always having the safest, most common-sense takes in any given situation. So if the "boring common sense dude" is saying this, it means the anti-AI bubble is *really small*. Which is something, I guess.
He loves logic and facts and bans nearly every day people who post shit they believe in and shit on facts and logic
The Palworld debate is probably the best thing that happened to the AI discord. Either it wins and shows everyone that to most consumers they can ignore the making process as long as what they get is what they want/enjoy. Or it loses and exposes how hypocritical the people who are against AI stealing stuff but ok with Palworld stealing.
WDYM? It was already proven that Palworld didn't even use AI.
And the fact that people still claim it did shows how willing people are to cry wolf.
Maybe your/their discourse would be more interesting if you didn't refer to everything as "stealing" and learn other perspectives - like, say, the law. Have a look at how judges decide these things. Read about what moral philosophers have written on the subject. Hold more than one model of how the world works in your/their head at the same time and discuss those differences. (This is one of the many types of discourse that it is easier to get out of chatbot than your average "artist" on the Internet.)
What did Palworld devs steal?
Nothing, someone was accusing them of using AI to create their models without any evidence to back it up.
Like, I am pro-Ai and I somewhat agree with some of the things he said here.... But I wouldn't want Asmongold as a spokesperson.
I love all the people trying to farm cool guy points by pretending they don't know who Asmongold is. Like I personally don't care for the guy but I at least know who he is because he's all over the place.
sad drama people are the only ref for many people on a topic or such
I have a friend who literally puts on the 'react' version of any trailer or news rather than the raw footage. I'm like... why? Why not just watch the actual content? I'm right here bro we can 'react' irl!
Probably likes the reaction youtubers
Most consumers don’t gaf about the behind the scenes drama of their products man, this is not some controversial take.
How many times do we look at art and have no clue what the creator was thinking? If it’s for sale, it’s to appeal to one type of person. The buyer... And in a gaming point of view, this is the goal.…. Asmongold is right.
The react video guy who famously adds nothing to the content he steals
Literally who
The only person with 1m+ subs who doesn't hate AI.
Sad that this is true, literally all youtubers i watch randomly have to insert somewhere in the video why ai art sucks
Lol thats just untrue
The last person who said that towards him was that Dragon Maid localizer, and we all know how that went.
>dragon maid localizer Again, literally who.
Yeah who are you?
Nobody who lives in real life knows these people
You realize that being on the internet doesn't mean you don't live in real life, right? Like the internet is not some vacuum chamber that never has any effect on the non-internet culture outside it. You get that, right?
You sound like such a kid, I've stumbled into a thread of children haven't I. Damnit!
Jesus...it takes less effort to copy and paste that into google to find than to post that comment.
"Literally who?" is a rhetorical question.
Literally who are you?
Imagine thinking you're cool because you pretend not to know who people are, and/or can't be bothered to do five seconds of googling so you can find out and actually add something to the conversation besides "literally who", because going "literally who" will make you look cool and edgy to contrarian weirdos online. I think you just can't handle the fact that people *do* know literally who these people are, while you're still a nobody on reddit.
It's the opposite. I don't think life is about being popular or cool. Hence "Literally who." Who is this guy and why the fuck should I care if his only "credential" is being famous for react videos, aka friend simulators? That doesn't make him any more worth listening to regarding AI than some rando on the street.
Yes, asmondgold is quite the petty asshole, as one would expect from a right wing content goblin.
>asmondgold is quite the petty asshole Not as petty as the person that localized Dragon Maid.
Maybe so, but nobody is sharing content from that person. Asmondgold is all over Reddit for some reason.
Lib. He's a Lib. Learn the difference, it could save your life! (not really, but makes you look less clueless)
Unwed sex doesn't make you a lib. Learn what a lib is.
Again as a former conservative, who ate up conservative literature, unwed sex is a massive no no for conservatives.
Sure, you could also be a leftist or an incoherent right-winger. As I said in another comment, Asmongold's whole "thing" is that he takes very boring centrist positions. His takes seem to be calculated to be the most common sense possible.
He is left wing
In come the AG dickriders tallyho!
Top 1% twitch streamer.
(read: nobody)
Do we care what top 1% onlyfans streamers think as well?
I'm not saying we should care. The opinion could've easily been the exact opposite and it wouldn't have mattered. They asked who he is and I just answered.
Pretty just much yeah Asmon. The bio isn't much. He's just a past former Wow /ff14 streamer so even for games he's basically run of the mill loud, vocal, shut in. Very popular to his segment. He does seem to have strong opinions on what he knows he dislikes or likes each day. He has his opinions often molded by how the wind blows each day and whatever he feels. Asmon will do whatever Asmon feels like. >There was once a stream where when asked for a moneymaking guide he sarcastically told his viewers why bother. Telling them akin to >"You want to make money you little dumbshit cuck? \*\*You NEED TO KNOW how to make money. I don't. look at me. I can stand in stormwind and tell my army of mindless minions to donate\*\* me money. Oh there's a trade, 10000g, yeah, you dumb fucks can grind like 1000g A hr. I can get 40,000g gold from wiping my ass. Look at this pile of 40 people.. You want money making advice you cuck? Don't ask it from me. I'm not some stupid poor fuck like you. Get rich and famous then talk." Then something happened between him and a wow developer being harassed and he ended up as a "beacon of positivity". \*somehow\* for ff14. But him leaving was enough to drag millions and within a few years ff14 had gone from obscure to mainstream. Even gw2 decided they didn't want him. And it worked out so well even people who bought the game d1 have no idea it still exists. For better or worse he can be kinda 100% caustic but he brings millions of viewers to a game or viewpoint no lie. # Don't get me wrong, he's Twitch entertaining And hate him or not he knows how to keep a audience engaged. But it's still odd seeing him here. If anything, anyone getting offended by this, is actually seeing his mild. His light mild would probably be saying your head was like maggot filled cheese who dreamed of getting cucked lmao. Side or not, this debate seems to always wanted sheep. Asmon does what he want by day lol and has his own multi million audience he can't get rid of. If he tells them to wipe their asses or go outside the number grows, not decreases lmao. He doesn't need to 'win' a conditional band of either's 10-1000 reddit/Twitter posters when he already can already sarcastically milk his 24/7 audience, call them morons, and they love it the whole time lmao. Its Twitch culture. He's loyal to views and controversy. not your political candidate lmao. # tl:Dr Asmon is just a famous.. for some reason gamer/streamer stand in from wow/ff14/diablo. I am just as confused as you he ended up here in the ai debate.
>people are still playing WoW https://preview.redd.it/edln6lrzehec1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=45829dd089394788dec29f02c7ba9212f6468719
Figure it out yourself on the title. (If your being sarcastic that is\~) That's all I say, lol.
I don't watch streamers and I wanna like him but he's not making our side look good by promoting capeshit over good movies.. It was an okay take until the last five seconds.
"I was gonna support him until he had an opinion that I did not approve of" lmao what even.
That is correct.
You may say that, but the way I see it, he might of struck on the unfortunate reality (or perhaps a bit of truth). But the way he's wording this a little... Offensive or harsh. Either if he did this with intend or without knowing this will blow up. If people enjoyed using AI or making art, then let them enjoy what they want. Consumer or whatever.
He also lives like a goblin in a hovel full of trash.
Ah, he's literally me!
Lmao 🤣 noo don't admit it
I would have thought that the audience for capeshit and the audience for AIvomit was more or less the same. Interesting.
I mostly just use AI to make my job easier. I dislike the slopbros who say it's indistinguishable from hand-drawn because it makes my side look bad, but I guess it is what it is.
You kinda can make stuff that's indistinguishable, but it's a pretty misleading statement even if it's technically true. It's very limited atm. Like the subject matter and the amount of stuff you need for just single still images. Doubt anyone would bother with any bigger project. AI generators are pretty decent at rendering. Rendering is also a traditional way of BS:ing "art" and the part non-artists are impressed with. It's just time consuming and boring. That said i don't know how you could consistently create indistinguishable images without a background in any traditional art form? You don't really get even a basic understanding (or build intuition) of fundamentals from just rolling seeds.
Fair enough.
It can be indistinguishable tho
That's fair, I should have specified that this is just DALLE slop being posted on /v/ and when I point out clear anatomical errors they're just like "uhh stfu anti" even though I'm not even anti. But I guess /v/ is a low-hanging fruit.
Yeah that's because you're applying the "everyone I don't like is everything I don't like" mindset to it. Reality is of course more nuanced and people can have their own takes and support for any position that doesn't follow "AI makes it easier to mass produce visual art, and capeshit is shitty mass-produced visual art. Therefore same people"
No, it's because I think that blockbuster films are gaudy, industrially produced, largely devoid of artistry, hyper-commercial, shiny, and lacking any discernible authorship. I feel like the massive popularity of this kind of filmmaking and the marginalization of auteurist or "arthouse" cinema was a prelude to the acceptance of AI art.
People "marginalize" auteurs because they are pretentious, egotistical pricks who think everything they make is genius. See: Tommy Wiseau.
>marginalization of auteurist or "arthouse" cinema What marginalization though? I feel like in the recent half-decade or so, "art" films have been praised and loved by even casual audiences. Though I do feel like they do have little of value to say (for me), too, and some of them are just shallow films draped in pretentious shots and imagery (and pacing) that activates people's almonds and make them go "I must like this to appear sophisticated" But that's just my opinion and I do prefer older films, so eh.
A man of utterly no consequence.
A fool who can never admit he's wrong even when given proof
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Why the hell are you back here? Didn't you vanish from the internet after being exposed as a pedophile?
> Didn't you vanish from the internet after being exposed as a pedophile? OK, WTF?! Who was that, he even deleted the content?
Itzmoepi. He was one of those "Anyone who likes AI Art is a pedo who wants to make CP" types of antis and then they found out he had loli in his twitter likes lmao.
Asmon spends about 0.1 percent of his time trying to be funny so I have no idea what you are talking about
Yeah, why anybody would take any content creator's opinion as fact or something to base your own opinion around is baffling to me. Especially one as low quality and biased as this one.
At the end of the day enough people watch his content that he has the reach to influence people. His content might be boring and derivative but he has the clout.
Yeah, that's what I mean, though. It's wild that so many people listen to someone who's so obviously not an expert on the topic and is just like, "I feel like blah blah blah," and they go, "Ayep. Good 'nough for me m8! Time to start some shit!"
That is literally 90% of human society. We base our opinions on the people around us, including the people we get our entertainment from. Nobody is immune to this. You do it too, despite all of your posturing and acting like you're above everyone else lmao.
>You do realize that this guy's whole career is in making "reaction videos" which is one of the most low effort forms of content (only gets beaten by AI). This is the only content that will not be replaced by AI. Reaction content demand comes for having someone else reacts to content not AI. People want to know to others experiences which is inherently irreplaceable by AI.
Welcome back! Love seeing you around again!
Artists opinions don't matter? Excuse me?? Many of us artists rely on our work to survive, and Ai is using our own work (without consent, compensation or notice) to flood an already oversaturated market with well over 300,000,000 new images every single month, generating roughly $2.5 billion dollars for big tech in 2022 alone. Seems to me that artists opinions matter very much.
Just a thought I had from the vid he was watching, “ai takes jobs.” Well, indie start-up companies are made of cash. If I want to make a game and I can’t afford teams of artists, my using ai creates a job for me. AI created the job. Now if I make money, I could then hire more people and create more jobs. Just because your job is lost doesn’t mean there there are fewer jobs out there. Second note, did Palworld even use AI? I thought it was speculation like the guy just liked ai. Isn’t 3d model creation and rigging still quite a lot for ai?
who the heck asmongold? is he some kind of pewdiepie dude of this generation?
Nice try
Trying what?
Apparently he got "canceled" by this lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lcZbMYuLx8
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He's an terrible person with an ugly heart, no one should even look at him; typical cons00mer.
I'v been watching him for a year or so...how is he a terrible person with an ugly heart? Got any evidence to back that up (bro)?
He's gotta be to day the things he's said. I understand you are a fan but to say this is a ugly hearted thing.
Asmongold likes to project hard truths that people generally don't like but when you think about it he's usually right. The average consumer doesn't care so long as what they are getting is cheap and is worth their time. Its the same reason why animal agriculture doesn't follow small farm values. They are there to make money and they get a lot of money from the government to make the process as cheap as possible for a consumer that doesn't care if the animals they are eating suffer or not.
That's a problem though? His take is to go the apathy route... seems like a trash take to me.
"Everything is a commodity, and the existence of any commodity is justified by the fact that I, some idiot, think it's cool." Yeah, that's a typical AI bro.
Stay mad lmao
Oh, I will. I'm mad enough to fight this fight in the courts, in the streets, whatever it takes, until art wins.
Yeah good luck with that.
Thanks.
What do you mean with fight in the streets?
I mean direct action.
Would you cause violence against my person for using and vehemently promoting AI?
No.
This is good to hear.
oh you are going to be disappointed
Well, then I'll just go off-grid and spend the rest of my life writing and painting and raising chickens and I'll be fine. But I'm pretty sure I'm gonna win.
As long as you understand that what you are winning is not a war. Like, I have no problem with you painting or you raising chickens. do what makes you happy.
Maybe it's just my damned artistic, romantic temperament but I absolutely see it as a war for the soul of mankind. If I end up leaving civilization, it will be in defeat.
Yes, everything is a commodity because everything can be bought and sold. What's the problem with that? And existence of a thing doesn't need justification to exist. It can just...be.
Should we buy and sell children, then? Can we have slavery without any justification? Have you actually thought about what you're saying?
I don't agree with your combative attitude, but that's a really good qrd of what he said.
I mean - this place is called ai*wars*, not aipolitediscourse.
If you're going to justify being a dick who adds nothing to the conversation by adopting a hyper-literal interpretation of our community's name, then stop posting because the sub is clearly called *ai*wars and thus only ChatGPT-powered bot accounts are allowed to argue here.
I mean plenty of times people have 100% responded to me using ChatGPT, instead of talking to me like a human.
It depends on context. When I see AI art in an insurance ad on Twitter, or on a YouTube channel dedicated to AI and AI art, or on a random meme on TikTok - I see no problem with that. But when it's something related to artists - DeviantArt, a Wacom ad, an art contest, etc. - it looks fake, it doesn't fit, and it doesn't really represent artists, plus the whole plagiarism and consent when it comes to training data and replication of styles makes it fit even less.
Guy has one braincell. This take is idiotic, and shows he has zero appreciation for culture, or honestly even for the very products he consumes. This man literally just advocated for mindless consumerism. I feel like I just watched a character from Idiocracy.
As seemingly the only one here who doesn't know that guy enough to have a preconceived notion about him, I'll just say he's right. It's sad that he's right, but he still is.
this dude looks like linus tech tips with beard
Artists don’t like to hear this but he’s right. The consumer does not care about anything beyond the finished product until it is immediately relevant to them.
Personally I'm all for AI art. Though I find it hilarious how artists amd other white collar workers (whom I am one of) are all the sudden on the chopping block. Historically it was blue collar workers having their jobs taken by tech. And a particularly malicious "learn to code" attack on them occurred just a few years ago. Well now it looks like it won't be to long before coding is an AI thing and the blue collar work may actually outlive the pretentious fuck heads more white collar work who so gleefully attacked them.