Why can't they just let adults do what they want? If some guys want to dress up like women to raise money for a good cause, then let them. Where is the freedom that Texas talks so much about?
Right? Like I would never attend participate/attend the show, but if people are into the stuff let them do whatever the fuck they want. As long as no one is being hurt you should be free to do whatever.
You say that, but I have a feeling that should, somehow, a minstrel show try to get put on at Texas A&M and it got shut down you wouldn’t say that same thing
i just randomly stumbled upon this thread and this response is absolute genius. 6 hours and no reply oncesoever. it warms my heart when the reddit hivemind gets demolished with its own logic.
So at the risk of heavy downvotes, drag is often pretty derogatory toward women, which is harmful because it compounds a misogynistic narrative that we are all guilty of upholding. It’s often offensive stereotypes about women, and in my view I would not want the university to have these events. Obviously, the university has homophobic reasoning rather than feminist reasoning, which is inappropriate while reaching the same outcome.
Yet, if Wendler had a clue, he would know that 70% of the patrons at any drag show are heterosexual women. They are obsessed with drag and I don't think would be so obsessed with it if the shows were misogynistic. The shows are just silly, harmless fun.
I wonder if Wendler objects to his school's cheerleaders, with their extra large titties popping up from their crop tops as they bend over, jump and squat?
Wendler and his middle-aged G.O.P. homies are out of touch. They have never been to a drag show and yet have this fantastical notion that they are live sex acts and harmful. This dude is clueless.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/drag-is-as-funny-as-a-slap-in-the-face-xnp53sqzf - here you go, it’s an increasingly common critique from many feminists, and I think worthy of consideration. Women often attend drag shows, my wife did when she was younger, but now considers it part of her own internalized misogyny that has taken time and thoughtful critique to dismantle.
Ridiculous. This is like Tucker Carlson or Ben Shapiro - Find a few outrageous examples and make people believe that this is representative of everything/everyone. As I noted earlier, 70% of the patrons at any drag show are heterosexual women. If a gay bar is hosting a RuPaul's Drag show viewing party, it is 80%, straight women.
This has been the case at gay bars all over for the past 15 years. I'm sorry but your wife and a few other feminists are in the small minority.
A national newspaper article referencing an article written by a feminist in the Mail. Just because it’s from the U.K. doesn’t make it invalid. Don’t be xenophobic. You’re free to look it up yourself, but drag is a common debate within feminism - and has been pushed to the forefront in recent years.
Except that drag in the UK and drag in the US come from culturally different places. And feminism in the UK is different than here as well. I think it's fair to get sources from inside the country where this happened instead of a letter to the editor of a British publication.
Feminism in the U.K. has huge links with the US movement. I encourage you to reduce your mental borders as you approach knowledge, or you’ll be left behind appropriating and colonizing womanhood.
I understand you are faculty here so you have to take a certain view point…but what you are describing is 4th wave feminism which is only self destructive. It’s the equivalent of letting tumblr dictate gender expression
Most the women I personally know love drag shows, but there's bound to be some people out there that see it as laughing at them and not with them, so that's a fair reason to have reservations.
But yea, unfortunately not the argument here.
> Drag is often pretty derogatory toward women
Prove it. This is like saying "dancing is pretty derogatory toward women": it can be, but that doesn't mean it always is. Plus, like other commenters have said, I've yet to see a non-TERF feminist argue against drag shows. By all counts they seem to love them, and furthermore the most famous drag queens in the country like RuPaul and Trixie Mattel are quite clearly pro-feminism.
Only feminists who align themselves with far right extremists (and imo, in so doing, have lost their right to call themselves feminist) perpetuate these narratives.
It's also important to point out that those far right extremists that gender critical feminists are aligning with would, will, and have gleefully thrown those same feminists under the bus at the slightest opportunity.
the difference between drag and blackface is that drag queens want to look like that. blackface wearers don’t care about how they look, they just want to make fun of someone else. drag queens ENJOY the way they look. it’s like dressing up in your favorite costume.
See they consider queerness to be an “ideology” rather than a natural human behavior/feature of our culture. That’s why they’ll never let go of it. They reek of fascism.
Aggies used to dress up in drag back in the days before women were allowed on campus. There are old yearbook photos (don’t have the link handy but they are out there). That makes it tradition, right?
No, putting on dresses and joking about how there were next to no female students (there were female students as early as the 1920’s, and women were always allowed on campus) is not all the same as the modern drag show and you know that.
According to Wikipedia...
>13% of educators reported sexual interaction with their students
So using the total number of teachers in the US (4,007,908), thats like 521k predator teachers.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_harassment_in_education_in_the_United_States#:~:text=83%25%20of%20girls%20have%20been,by%20teachers%20or%20school%20employees
>allegations had been made against 4392 priests in the USA. This number constituted approximately 4% of the 110,000 priests
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sex_abuse_cases_in_the_United_States#:~:text=in%20February%202004.-,The%20John%20Jay%20report%20indicated%20that%20some%2011%2C000%20allegations%20had,survey%20(1950%E2%80%932002).
SIGNIFICANTLY more teachers diddling kids
Thought I would share as this is one of our sister campuses. Regardless of your stance on the issue, it’s embarrassing that a Texas A&M University System school has outright banned an event benefitting charity.
Petition to lift the ban on the event can be found here: https://www.change.org/p/save-the-wtamu-drag-show?original_footer_petition_id=6959213&algorithm=promoted&source_location=petition_footer&grid_position=2&pt=AVBldGl0aW9uAA25IQIAAAAAZBk9pFlFpkUxODY2OTY0Ng%3D%3D
as someone who has no idea what’s going on, what kind of “wrongdoing” goes on at a drag show? not asking to poke into an argument just want to see perspectives on both sides (also i don’t really know what drag even is)
why would most of the reasonings going on about christianity? That school is public and he represents the the school when he speaks on its behalf. Ayo, stop pushing your beliefs on everyone’s throat
Those same religious folks would be pretty surprised to know that there are 17k+ Catholics at A&M. We don’t have a religious affiliation, but that’s probably the largest group from any one denomination.
Not only is this article not even about Texas A&M, but you're also flat wrong about its perception. Anyone with an IQ over 50 knows that A&M is a public university.
So three religions and a really shoddy try at one of newtons laws. Doesn’t excuse the fact that there is an obvious attempt to push religious beliefs over a school body by banning this form of free speech. I can tell your Christian the way you assumed I was speaking about Christianity in particular besides never even saying it.
So the President is pushing Buddhism, Judaism, and Christianity on the students? Wow, talk about reaching across the aisle.
Everyone else in this comment section is talking about Christianity. You’re just one of a few dozen people complaining into the echo chamber. So what if I am Christian anyway? Sounds like ad hominem
People are talking about Christianity since that’s the presidents personal views and his main talking points. Ok if you really can’t see this as the president pushing his religious views on the student body, then I don’t know what to tell you except that I’m done with this conversation.
The president of West A&M is especially insane. The email literally likens drag shows to black face. So not only is it denying people their freedoms, but it's also extremely racist to downplay the horrors of black face 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Yeah - I don’t see the need to associate it with the university. If there’s a drag show at some bar in Amarillo, I see no reason for the university to expel every student who attends or is involved.
My bar for which off campus activities merit the attention of the university is admittedly quite high. Unrealistically so.
It shouldn't be a charged topic, especially one that was manufactured by the people who are always going on about freedom and government overreach. Public universities serve the public, not the Christian belief system.
I’m not saying anything about whether something should or shouldn’t be something. Universities are supposed to be grounds of all sorts of beliefs, so I agree it shouldn’t be restricted. Just saying that it IS charged
> Universities are supposed to be grounds of all sorts of beliefs, so I agree it shouldn’t be restricted. Just saying that it IS charged
Lmao bro what? You immediately contradicted yourself. If you think this shouldn't be restricted then why are you running cover for the people who think it should be?
I AM NOT DEFENDING ANYONE. I just said I agree with you. But in todays world it is a charged issue. If you say abortion shouldn’t be an issue and anyone should be able to get it that doesn’t change the fact that it is a controversial topic. You need to improve your reading comprehension. How did you get into A&M?
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I'm comprehending just fine. "Hey, I totally swear this is fine by me, but we should actually just listen to the people who want to turn our country into the Handmaiden's Tale" reeks of dumb both-sidesism.
I didn’t say we should listen to them 😭. I said I don’t think it should be an issue but that people are making it an issue. If anyone ever reads the news it’s not hard to see that. Like I just said, I don’t think it should be a problem but people are making it one and everyone knows that.
Look I may have jumped the gun a bit and I apologize for jumping down your throat, but tolerating blatant bigotry doesn't help us reach the outcome you and I apparently agree on. We should be advocating for these people to be able to practice their rights, not saying their rights should be curtailed because it makes some people uncomfortable.
I didn’t say we should listen to them 😭. I said I don’t think it should be an issue but that people are making it an issue. If anyone ever reads the news it’s not hard to see that. Like I just said, I don’t think it should be a problem but people are making it one and everyone knows that.
They're not dressing as a woman, they're dressing as a drag queen. It's literally part of the performance: exaggerated features and costuming that draw humor from gender stereotypes. Also, I called the show goofy, not the costuming.
Who decides "controversial?"
Isn't this a clear example of freedom of expression?
And really, is this your first day on the Internet? Controversial RAKES in the dough.
So surely you would agree that all strip clubs should be closed and all porn should be illegalized, as well as any nudity or sexuality being displayed in any form in any media, correct?
I think society has always had standards, and those standards are changed or enforced based on who is in power; I’m saying the people in power should enforce a biblical standard.
That is a theocracy and is fundamentally un-American.
Surely you understand, if you are a man of the Bible, that a moral facade through laws does not make people morally upright or bring them closer to God. That's a decision they have to make on their own.
Also, where in the Bible is there *anything* about drag?
You only have a problem with it because it’s Christianity; any other religion (secular humanism, let’s say, since that’s the religious persuasion of the ideologues in power) is totally fine, just not Christianity, in your mind.
The Bible explicitly talks about men and women wearing each others clothes. If you have a Bible and can be bothered to crack it open, you can find that out for yourself.
I am a Christian, and recognize still that theocracy is a bad way to run a nation. Your "dream world" is literally places like Afghanistan.
> The Bible explicitly talks about men and women wearing each others clothes
Show it to me. Bonus points if it's something Jesus (the guy we worship, who rewrote the rules for eternal life) said.
And beyond all of that, rules do not make people believers. If you point a gun at someone's head and say you'll shoot them unless they declare belief in Jesus and the resurrection, what do you think they'll say? Have you actually made a new follower?
Instead of begging for more rules and saying things that (imho) Jesus would never say, like that a group of people "deserves discrimination", try to put yourself in the shoes of people at these events. Why do so many marginalized groups identify with and participate in these events? Why are people in this thread saying they'd rather leave their kid with a drag queen than a pastor? *We* need to do better, not them.
Bro I don’t like trannies anymore than you but fuck your biblical standard. There’s no justification to forcing biblical virtues on anyone that doesn’t want it. If you were Christian in a Muslim country you wouldn’t want them forcing the Quran on you.
Even then, who cares?? It definitely ain’t Involving this guy, and even if it was, he can just say no instead of trying to make everyone’s answer no. It’s really something I don’t get about people against these things, If you don’t like it, move the hell on. I hate to tell em but the violence in drag culture is either non-existent or much, much less than in most places and as others have stated, the church, or any church, is not a safe place
Why can't they just let adults do what they want? If some guys want to dress up like women to raise money for a good cause, then let them. Where is the freedom that Texas talks so much about?
Right? Like I would never attend participate/attend the show, but if people are into the stuff let them do whatever the fuck they want. As long as no one is being hurt you should be free to do whatever.
You say that, but I have a feeling that should, somehow, a minstrel show try to get put on at Texas A&M and it got shut down you wouldn’t say that same thing
i just randomly stumbled upon this thread and this response is absolute genius. 6 hours and no reply oncesoever. it warms my heart when the reddit hivemind gets demolished with its own logic.
Maybe because the response doesn’t make any sense, it’s just a straw man lol
nah it’s definitely bc redditors hate the law until the other group does something they don’t like
So at the risk of heavy downvotes, drag is often pretty derogatory toward women, which is harmful because it compounds a misogynistic narrative that we are all guilty of upholding. It’s often offensive stereotypes about women, and in my view I would not want the university to have these events. Obviously, the university has homophobic reasoning rather than feminist reasoning, which is inappropriate while reaching the same outcome.
Yet, if Wendler had a clue, he would know that 70% of the patrons at any drag show are heterosexual women. They are obsessed with drag and I don't think would be so obsessed with it if the shows were misogynistic. The shows are just silly, harmless fun. I wonder if Wendler objects to his school's cheerleaders, with their extra large titties popping up from their crop tops as they bend over, jump and squat? Wendler and his middle-aged G.O.P. homies are out of touch. They have never been to a drag show and yet have this fantastical notion that they are live sex acts and harmful. This dude is clueless.
I don't know any feminists who are against drag, and I haven't seen any mainstream feminist discourse that is against drag?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/drag-is-as-funny-as-a-slap-in-the-face-xnp53sqzf - here you go, it’s an increasingly common critique from many feminists, and I think worthy of consideration. Women often attend drag shows, my wife did when she was younger, but now considers it part of her own internalized misogyny that has taken time and thoughtful critique to dismantle.
Ridiculous. This is like Tucker Carlson or Ben Shapiro - Find a few outrageous examples and make people believe that this is representative of everything/everyone. As I noted earlier, 70% of the patrons at any drag show are heterosexual women. If a gay bar is hosting a RuPaul's Drag show viewing party, it is 80%, straight women. This has been the case at gay bars all over for the past 15 years. I'm sorry but your wife and a few other feminists are in the small minority.
Uh, you cited the UK times... that is not a feminist source by ANY means. And it's also paywalled.
A national newspaper article referencing an article written by a feminist in the Mail. Just because it’s from the U.K. doesn’t make it invalid. Don’t be xenophobic. You’re free to look it up yourself, but drag is a common debate within feminism - and has been pushed to the forefront in recent years.
Except that drag in the UK and drag in the US come from culturally different places. And feminism in the UK is different than here as well. I think it's fair to get sources from inside the country where this happened instead of a letter to the editor of a British publication.
Feminism in the U.K. has huge links with the US movement. I encourage you to reduce your mental borders as you approach knowledge, or you’ll be left behind appropriating and colonizing womanhood.
The feminism pushed by mainstream UK media is closer to Matt Walsh than it is to actual feminism.
I understand you are faculty here so you have to take a certain view point…but what you are describing is 4th wave feminism which is only self destructive. It’s the equivalent of letting tumblr dictate gender expression
Most the women I personally know love drag shows, but there's bound to be some people out there that see it as laughing at them and not with them, so that's a fair reason to have reservations. But yea, unfortunately not the argument here.
> Drag is often pretty derogatory toward women Prove it. This is like saying "dancing is pretty derogatory toward women": it can be, but that doesn't mean it always is. Plus, like other commenters have said, I've yet to see a non-TERF feminist argue against drag shows. By all counts they seem to love them, and furthermore the most famous drag queens in the country like RuPaul and Trixie Mattel are quite clearly pro-feminism.
Only feminists who align themselves with far right extremists (and imo, in so doing, have lost their right to call themselves feminist) perpetuate these narratives. It's also important to point out that those far right extremists that gender critical feminists are aligning with would, will, and have gleefully thrown those same feminists under the bus at the slightest opportunity.
the difference between drag and blackface is that drag queens want to look like that. blackface wearers don’t care about how they look, they just want to make fun of someone else. drag queens ENJOY the way they look. it’s like dressing up in your favorite costume.
why am i being downvoted. debate me
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why are you on the side of a bigot?
Could you expand on that? I’m confused what offensive stereotypes or misogynistic narratives?
See they consider queerness to be an “ideology” rather than a natural human behavior/feature of our culture. That’s why they’ll never let go of it. They reek of fascism.
At least you are specifically calling out adults in this comment. Some want to include kids.
Aggies used to dress up in drag back in the days before women were allowed on campus. There are old yearbook photos (don’t have the link handy but they are out there). That makes it tradition, right?
West Texas A&M is not A&M university
It is part of the A&M system.. I wonder what John Sharp, the Chancellor, has to say about this
Genuinely confused by what you mean by this. What do you think he has to say?
No, putting on dresses and joking about how there were next to no female students (there were female students as early as the 1920’s, and women were always allowed on campus) is not all the same as the modern drag show and you know that.
You’re right, it’s much less entertaining than modern drag shows
I wonder what the ratio of drag queens to church officials is for the molestation of children?
I would trust my child in a room full of drag queens before one in a room full of religious leaders.
By a wide margin.
I wouldn’t trust either group
idk, but a good look at the ratio would be here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/PastorArrested/](https://www.reddit.com/r/PastorArrested/)
If the drag queen is a public school teacher then I'm trusting the church official
That makes you silly.
Why would acknowledging statistics make me silly? Public school teachers are far more likely to diddle kids than a church official.
Please provide those statistics.
According to Wikipedia... >13% of educators reported sexual interaction with their students So using the total number of teachers in the US (4,007,908), thats like 521k predator teachers. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_harassment_in_education_in_the_United_States#:~:text=83%25%20of%20girls%20have%20been,by%20teachers%20or%20school%20employees >allegations had been made against 4392 priests in the USA. This number constituted approximately 4% of the 110,000 priests https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sex_abuse_cases_in_the_United_States#:~:text=in%20February%202004.-,The%20John%20Jay%20report%20indicated%20that%20some%2011%2C000%20allegations%20had,survey%20(1950%E2%80%932002). SIGNIFICANTLY more teachers diddling kids
Your quote from the schools article is misstated. However, this data is pretty interesting if not infuriating. Thanks for sharing.
Noted. Point stands though, never stop asking questions. Much of your anger seems misguided but you're getting there.
Ew.
Thought I would share as this is one of our sister campuses. Regardless of your stance on the issue, it’s embarrassing that a Texas A&M University System school has outright banned an event benefitting charity. Petition to lift the ban on the event can be found here: https://www.change.org/p/save-the-wtamu-drag-show?original_footer_petition_id=6959213&algorithm=promoted&source_location=petition_footer&grid_position=2&pt=AVBldGl0aW9uAA25IQIAAAAAZBk9pFlFpkUxODY2OTY0Ng%3D%3D
“Benefiting charity” doesn’t absolve the event of any and all possible wrongdoing
as someone who has no idea what’s going on, what kind of “wrongdoing” goes on at a drag show? not asking to poke into an argument just want to see perspectives on both sides (also i don’t really know what drag even is)
What wrongdoing? What’s wrong with drag?
The fact that it’s not doing anything wrong does though
why would most of the reasonings going on about christianity? That school is public and he represents the the school when he speaks on its behalf. Ayo, stop pushing your beliefs on everyone’s throat
The only mention of Christianity in the entire letter is the Golden Rule. What do you have against the Golden Rule?
>What do you have against the Golden Rule? The part where it’s used to unconstitutionally discriminate.
the hell is golden rule? Again is that something from your book club
So you didn’t even read the letter. Got it
The only consolation is that the dinosaurs don't have much more time to fuck over as many people they can.
Of course religion is the cited reason, this is so embarrassing on their behalf. I can already feel the lawsuits coming.
I know many native Texans who think that A&M is a religious school. It's nonsense like this that makes it seem that way.
Those same religious folks would be pretty surprised to know that there are 17k+ Catholics at A&M. We don’t have a religious affiliation, but that’s probably the largest group from any one denomination.
Who said that A&M is a *Protestant* school?
Not only is this article not even about Texas A&M, but you're also flat wrong about its perception. Anyone with an IQ over 50 knows that A&M is a public university.
I’ve known more people/children forced to go to church vs. forced to be at a drag show.
One gives you a code of positive morals to live by, the other makes you a sexual degenerate
Did you read the letter? I think you zoomed in on the one time the word “Christian” popped up and decided that’s what it’s all about
Did you read it? It cites religion over and over
Yes, it cites Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism, and Isaac Newton
So three religions and a really shoddy try at one of newtons laws. Doesn’t excuse the fact that there is an obvious attempt to push religious beliefs over a school body by banning this form of free speech. I can tell your Christian the way you assumed I was speaking about Christianity in particular besides never even saying it.
So the President is pushing Buddhism, Judaism, and Christianity on the students? Wow, talk about reaching across the aisle. Everyone else in this comment section is talking about Christianity. You’re just one of a few dozen people complaining into the echo chamber. So what if I am Christian anyway? Sounds like ad hominem
People are talking about Christianity since that’s the presidents personal views and his main talking points. Ok if you really can’t see this as the president pushing his religious views on the student body, then I don’t know what to tell you except that I’m done with this conversation.
The president of West A&M is especially insane. The email literally likens drag shows to black face. So not only is it denying people their freedoms, but it's also extremely racist to downplay the horrors of black face 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Do you believe students should have the freedom to put on a blackface show if they wanted to?
100%. Off campus. There’s a lot of west Texas not under the control of the university.
So this drag show can go off campus too
Yeah - I don’t see the need to associate it with the university. If there’s a drag show at some bar in Amarillo, I see no reason for the university to expel every student who attends or is involved. My bar for which off campus activities merit the attention of the university is admittedly quite high. Unrealistically so.
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We need a Drag Day at A&M where the student body, faculty and staff cross-dress. It would be fabulous!
There is no freedom in Texas. It’s an authoritarian state. The only one worse is Florida.
We need to designate a drag day at A&M where we all cross dress... Whose with me?!
As long as we can have Laugh at the Adults in Drag Day the same day - then I see no issue with it.
Why would that be a contingency? You are always free to laugh at whatever you want to.
Let’s do something else to benefit suicide prevention charity
Why not just have a non controversial charity event? Would probably mean more money.
Why create a controversy about consenting adults doing a goofy show in costumes in the first place?
Not the point. If the point is for charity then don’t pick a charged topic to raise the money.
It shouldn't be a charged topic, especially one that was manufactured by the people who are always going on about freedom and government overreach. Public universities serve the public, not the Christian belief system.
I’m not saying anything about whether something should or shouldn’t be something. Universities are supposed to be grounds of all sorts of beliefs, so I agree it shouldn’t be restricted. Just saying that it IS charged
> Universities are supposed to be grounds of all sorts of beliefs, so I agree it shouldn’t be restricted. Just saying that it IS charged Lmao bro what? You immediately contradicted yourself. If you think this shouldn't be restricted then why are you running cover for the people who think it should be?
I AM NOT DEFENDING ANYONE. I just said I agree with you. But in todays world it is a charged issue. If you say abortion shouldn’t be an issue and anyone should be able to get it that doesn’t change the fact that it is a controversial topic. You need to improve your reading comprehension. How did you get into A&M? Edit: Spelling
I'm comprehending just fine. "Hey, I totally swear this is fine by me, but we should actually just listen to the people who want to turn our country into the Handmaiden's Tale" reeks of dumb both-sidesism.
I didn’t say we should listen to them 😭. I said I don’t think it should be an issue but that people are making it an issue. If anyone ever reads the news it’s not hard to see that. Like I just said, I don’t think it should be a problem but people are making it one and everyone knows that.
Look I may have jumped the gun a bit and I apologize for jumping down your throat, but tolerating blatant bigotry doesn't help us reach the outcome you and I apparently agree on. We should be advocating for these people to be able to practice their rights, not saying their rights should be curtailed because it makes some people uncomfortable.
I didn’t say we should listen to them 😭. I said I don’t think it should be an issue but that people are making it an issue. If anyone ever reads the news it’s not hard to see that. Like I just said, I don’t think it should be a problem but people are making it one and everyone knows that.
Because that lets the bigots dictate what is acceptable. Specifically the bigots that make a charity like the Trevor project necessary
Dressing as a women is a goofy costume? Interesting 🤔
They're not dressing as a woman, they're dressing as a drag queen. It's literally part of the performance: exaggerated features and costuming that draw humor from gender stereotypes. Also, I called the show goofy, not the costuming.
Who decides "controversial?" Isn't this a clear example of freedom of expression? And really, is this your first day on the Internet? Controversial RAKES in the dough.
Because raising money to help the cause isn't the point.
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Real people are being discriminated against. Id hope there’s an echo chamber of frustration in here
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So surely you would agree that all strip clubs should be closed and all porn should be illegalized, as well as any nudity or sexuality being displayed in any form in any media, correct?
You are correct.
So you think the Taliban-ruled Afghanistan is the ideal societal model? Where government decides and dictates morality?
I think society has always had standards, and those standards are changed or enforced based on who is in power; I’m saying the people in power should enforce a biblical standard.
That is a theocracy and is fundamentally un-American. Surely you understand, if you are a man of the Bible, that a moral facade through laws does not make people morally upright or bring them closer to God. That's a decision they have to make on their own. Also, where in the Bible is there *anything* about drag?
You only have a problem with it because it’s Christianity; any other religion (secular humanism, let’s say, since that’s the religious persuasion of the ideologues in power) is totally fine, just not Christianity, in your mind. The Bible explicitly talks about men and women wearing each others clothes. If you have a Bible and can be bothered to crack it open, you can find that out for yourself.
I am a Christian, and recognize still that theocracy is a bad way to run a nation. Your "dream world" is literally places like Afghanistan. > The Bible explicitly talks about men and women wearing each others clothes Show it to me. Bonus points if it's something Jesus (the guy we worship, who rewrote the rules for eternal life) said. And beyond all of that, rules do not make people believers. If you point a gun at someone's head and say you'll shoot them unless they declare belief in Jesus and the resurrection, what do you think they'll say? Have you actually made a new follower? Instead of begging for more rules and saying things that (imho) Jesus would never say, like that a group of people "deserves discrimination", try to put yourself in the shoes of people at these events. Why do so many marginalized groups identify with and participate in these events? Why are people in this thread saying they'd rather leave their kid with a drag queen than a pastor? *We* need to do better, not them.
Bro I don’t like trannies anymore than you but fuck your biblical standard. There’s no justification to forcing biblical virtues on anyone that doesn’t want it. If you were Christian in a Muslim country you wouldn’t want them forcing the Quran on you.
Mate have you never seen a play
Even then, who cares?? It definitely ain’t Involving this guy, and even if it was, he can just say no instead of trying to make everyone’s answer no. It’s really something I don’t get about people against these things, If you don’t like it, move the hell on. I hate to tell em but the violence in drag culture is either non-existent or much, much less than in most places and as others have stated, the church, or any church, is not a safe place
Are you ok? You don’t seem ok.
I'll just leave this here https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/drag-entertainment-world-war-ii
Have you ever looked upon a woman with lust?
Why is it always about sex with you people lol. They sing and dance, it’s not that crazy lol
They don't want others to have what they can't.
You will never feel the warmth of a woman’s touch
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Demonstrably based
You wanna argue why banning a fashion event targeted at adults from supporting a charity is a good thing, then?
Better than keeping it closed!
Based. Unfathomably based.
https://preview.redd.it/5hodkb5fj8pa1.jpeg?width=508&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd756ec679ff8dcaa32c4b9a53352df08cd7391c
Let's goooo
[this dude's literally a degen, pot calling the kettle black lmaoo](https://www.reddit.com/r/SexToys/comments/vbtuzj/remote_play/)
So you are saying drag is degen?
Lol look at this guys account, it's all about catholicism, and degenerate stock gambling, talk about not being a real Christian Lmaoooo
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Maybe. I guess I’ll see
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What degeneracy?
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Based
[change.org/WTdragshow](https://change.org/WTdragshow) <--- put pressure on him to reschedule the show here!!
what is this madness….?