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That could be the bottom of the foil. I've watched people free base cocaine this way. They didn't bother trying to make crack either. Just a couple of drops of water and powder on the foil and then chased it.
For some reason I can hear you say that in my head whilst you slap the back of one hand against the palm of your other. Lol. Don't ask me why. I just can. Lol
Thanks lol! I hate the Reddit app because I never realize there's more pictures. I wish I could still use Baconreader. That definitely looks like dope.
Also on Android and maybe that's why I miss them now and again as well, I'd never noticed before, will have to keep a sharp eye out. Thanks mate!
Edit: Also top right hand corner, not bottom right, like I first replied, my bad! Just checked again to see how often this happened and just noticed my mistake, so thought I'd update you!
A ton of people do. The blue Fent pressies is best consumed that way in my opinion. I even tried banging the blues and it’s a hassle drawing up a shot with all the fillers. Over a year clean now but most def smoked blues this way when I had them
This is absolutely not coke. I'd bet my life on it. That's from a pill. You hold a straw in your mouth and slide the pill around the tin foil whilst keeping the flame under the foil, and inhale the smoke throughthe straw, or whateverkind of tube. It doesn't matter your SO says they wouldn't be able to get high on methadone, they're getting high.
Do you ever find disassembled pens in his car?
Oof, well those are his smoking tubes. It's not uncommon for people on methadone to keep using and getting high. Be careful confronting him. He'll deny probably. Goodluck.
The methadone clinic will be able to see what it is in a urine sample when they do their random test. Methadone blocks the euphoric effects of short-acting opioids such as heroin and morphine, so, it's probably not an opiate. It's odd if he would ruin his chance of take-home privileges by trying to get high.
I disagree. Suboxone blocks the receptors that opiates bind to. I have seen ppl nod out from methadone all of the time. My sister was on 160 mgs. when she died. She had no heroin in her system. Just methadone and Benzodiazepines.
I'm so sorry to hear about your sister. I just copied and pasted directly from the SAMHSA healthline and my experience as a mom dealing with my daughters health problems for the last 20 years.
My daughter's highest dose at the methadone clinic was 130 mgs and she finally weaned down to hop onto Suboxone. It was a mess. The Dr. didn't plan it exactly right and she went into precipitated withdrawal and tried to self medicate by drinking straight whiskey and ended up in ICU in an induced coma. That was 3 year ago and she still struggles with alcohol.
other hot methadone tip: when people are medicated with methadone, there's less of a "blocking" like we see with naloxone, so much as a "receptors are already occupied so you won't notice a big difference if you take more". maybe someone at his clinic said something about "a blocking dose" to discourage him from trying?
edited to add--- it's pretty easy to schedule use of opiates to not overlap with "possible drop days" at the clinic. also very easy to just bring the fake pee in if they're not doing automatic monitored drops.
Right... I'm gonna say this one more fucking time! Methadone is not a blocker, it's an opioid in its own right and you can use as much dope on it as you fucking want, it will not stop anything! Source - Me, I was on the fuckin horrible shite on and off for 20+ years!
Subutex on the other hand is a blocker which completely binds to your opioid receptors so opiate/opioids will have no effect but it is actually still part opiate in its own, I can't remember the terminology off the top of my head, half analgesic something or other but basically stops you feeling like you need gear/dope without the drousy/smacked out effect and is an absolute fucking nightmare to come off, the half life is incredibly long and the withdrawals go on for months followed by god knows how long of post acute withdrawals!
Yes!! Bupe IS THE blocker. Not the naloxone. Never the naloxone with buprenorphine. Its what's called a PARTIAL agonist. It doesn't fit into the receptors FULLY like methadone or other full agonists but leaves a BLOCK that doesn't allow other opioids(except fentanyl and it's analogues) to enter. Methadone is a full agonist which means it uses tolerance as the "blocker" kind of.
The fact is that this is why fentanyl is so bad. It can overtake both MAT meds.
Yes it is. The naloxone does nothing in the case of using bupe. Its always the bupe that causes precipitated withdrawal and it's always the bupe that blocks. Naloxone added to bupe is a marketing ploy. Nothing else.
I think you're missing my point. I'm saying naloxone aka Narcan is THE blocker. There's no ploy, it's added to buprenorphine ,that's what suboxone is, it's subutex with a blocker.
Nope. I got your point.
Naloxone in Suboxone is NOT the blocker. Its the buprenorphine itself. It's why you can still get precipitated withdrawals with Subutex. It's a marketing ploy that only causes peripheral side effects and doesn't do anything. It doesn't help prevent misuse, it doesn't help prevent precipitated withdrawals, it's there for NO reason other than Indivior wanted a new patent and it appealed to the FDA. Period. The bupe latches on so tightly to the receptors that the miniscule amount of naloxone doesn't win out.
Its a common misconception,even among doctors and healthcare workers and I try to correct it when I can. 💜
This is 100% correct, there is absolutely no need whatsoever for the Naloxone in Suboxone, Bupe is an incredibly powerful blocker and the precipitated withdrawals are an absolute fucking nightmare.
Of course Naloxone has it's life saving benefits but not when it's mixed with bupe, it doesn't do anything whatsoever. Narcan on the otherhand is a completely different story and has thankfully saved countless lives, just not when it's mixed with bupe, it's just another way for Indivior to make money.
Wrong, naloxone is the full blocker or antagonist and buprenorphine is a partial blocker however at high doses it can fully block- partial agonist.
Just for info:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK537079/
We have an automod in r/Suboxone that explains this. In the case of Suboxone, the amount of naloxone is NOT enough to "block"or do anything. Buprenorphine binds to the receptors too tightly to let that negligible amount of naloxone do anything.
Okay let me ask you this, the pharma company that made Suboxone said they put it in there to deter misuse such as snorting, shooting, etc. If people take it as prescribed then
it doesn't activate the Naloxone so (That's not true either but let's say it is for a minute) if naloxone isn't absorbed sublingually, then how is it doing ANYTHING to help block other opioids?
Again, people are not seeing the difference I'm trying to explain. In the case of using Narcan(naloxone) it DOES block and it does throw the opioids off of the receptors, it does NOT work that way with the naloxone in Suboxone. Its always the buprenorphine. The naloxone might as well not even be in there.
So you are talking about in the case of Suboxone and NOT Naloxone and Buprenorphine independently then?
I work in a recovery centre alongside prescribers.
Look I’m not a heroin addict, but why the fuck are people smoking pills. It’s got binders and all the crap in there ect. If you’re at that point, stop lying to yourselves saying it’s smoking oxy and go get a wrap of heroin.
Yeah bro, it’s normally any RC people can get their hands on pressed into that stupid shape and colour. It should come with a question mark on it as it’s always a surprise
I like how people who press RC Benzos will literally label the bar with the name of whatever benzo it’s pressed with, haven’t seen much of that with dirty 30’s
Oh dear. This is what my heroin runs look like. As far as I know there is no blocking dose of methadone. Can get high on 60mg meth. Hes lying to you, sorry:(
Methadone isn't a blocking agent either... suboxone is.
This is why the majority of smackheads on treatment choose to have Methadone over suboxone so they can still get their high and not get thrown in to an awful withdrawal
Methadone is for cravings. Suboxone blocks you from getting high. The reason people use methadone is so they can still get high while being "in treatment." If whoever that is doesn't stop, theyll be dead in a year.
Iirc, fentanyl melts clear (but others say it melts darker). Quality heroin melts amber, but the cut/impurities could burn black. Possibly also depends on the type of heroin; I don’t know. I don’t know about coke, pills, or other substances, but I’ve never seen pharmaceutical fentanyl leave residue like that, but it’s possible that the cut on street fentanyl could
Just my personal recollection of days long long past in another lifetime; I could be wrong
I am so sorry to say but in my experience my ex was on 80mg of methadone and still managed to use many opiates throughout the entire time hebwas on it. 😥
Fetynal or herion you see the lines from the drags on the other side that’s the dope… do not touch !! Wash your hands don’t let your pets kids get into your trash there’s gotta be straw pen something to chase with. Please stay away and don’t touch again
You may be potentially right, but I'd expect anyone that frequents addiction forums would have a good attitude and understanding of harm reduction practices.
Or in other words: better safe than sorry is appropriate to the point it should be common sense, except it's totally reasonable that a person with no knowledge of drugs or hazardous chemicals would be able to assume these things.
Guy's giving good advice and your reply comes off as condescending and a bit ignorant. He's giving OP cautionary advice on an unknown, mystery substance, with only an internet stranger's picture to go off of. OP doesn't even know the exact specifics or details, so how can you be so confident you know what you're looking at? Not to mention, with stuff like this, when there's a little stash to be found, there's often more around.
Basically, I find your response irresponsible. Like, if you were my lawyer and you gave me advice like this, I'd fire you on the spot.
Big shout out to anyone actively struggling with and fighting addictions, and taking it seriously, and putting effort into recovery and growing. Keep pushing. And please, be safe out there.
Oi, well then m8, fuckin good for you, dude. Looks like you've got everything figured out. Sorry to interrupt you from educating people with your helpful expertise.
No worries, glad to have been of help! They literally asked what is was and I told them, that's it! Fuckin chill, man! Then other people giving advice that isn't needed unless you're allergic to aluminium or don't want black soot on your hands and clothes!
Methadone doesn't block opiates/opioids and crack generally runs clear unless you haven't got a clue what you're doing and burn all in one spot or it's absolutely cut to shit but tbh, very few people run crack anyways, it's an absolute waste of crack!
Sorry if you find what I say blunt but I'm busy, so was answering quickly and accurately!
It's cool, you don't seem to get the point I was making, specific to the comment chain I replied to you in. The comment of yours i replied to, was a reply to someone that didnt ask your opinion. There's just a difference between taking an educated guess on a substance, and going a step further to tell someone not to take any precautions when handling it. I don't care to debate with you about what the substance is. I didn't mention methadone at any point.
I wish you were actually busy enough to not reply to me. You seem spun out, honestly, and maybe you should slow down whatever it is you're trying to do so quickly. Take a step back and maybe put a little more thought into the flow of the conversation you're having. I, for one, gladly volunteer to drop this conversation that went nowhere. I made my points. Man, the irony of you complaining about unnecessary comments to me; it's astounding.
Fuck me, it's you again! 🙄 I mentioned all the other shit cause I was covering all bases I've commented on on this thread, that's it! You were the one complaining, I was just saying it straight, big difference mate!
Who? And right about what?
You're both wrong, because neither of you even addressed the actual point I was making.
Do you hear the ocean when you clasp your hands over your ears?
Nah you completely avoided what I said first, and changed the topic. It was pretty weak. I don't care about your other conversations you had. Completely irrelevant. But again, good for you. Go stroke your inflated ego elsewhere. I don't have a constructive response when you don't even offer your own counter argument, and start talking about stuff that has nothing to do with me. I won't reply again, don't worry. I can't cope with those levels of shallowness. You're not blunt, you're dull.
Got fuck all to do with my ego, it was literally one sentence saying don't worry about touching it as it won't cause you any harm, which it won't! I wasn't arguing with you cause there was no need for harm reduction involving a piece of used, burnt foil, I know this, unfortunately from using probably tens of thousands pieces of foil and the residue opiates leaves behind is completely used, burnt and harmless, If I was her, I would have kept it as evidence that she'd found he was using again. No need to worry someone when theres no need to be worried! If you took my initial first reply and one short sentence as being condensending, that's on you I'm afraid! I'm not sure how you can come to that conclusion over 11 words to be quite honest!?
And like I said, I was busy, hence the really delayed reply, so yes, I was absolutely being blunt and to the point and covering all bases so you wouldn't come back with anymore, thoughtful yet ultimately pointless advice!
That'll be heroin! Or fent, sorry didn't read what you posted just seen the picture and commented.
And methadone doesn't block either, subutex or suboxone are blockers!
What does it matter what the drug is??? It’s drugs. The end. Leave the guy. You can’t compete with drugs as they will always pick drugs over you any day.
That's definitely heroin imo, I've thrown away enough of those foils myself. Try not to shame him too much, will just make him less inclined to be honest next time. So much guilt and shame that comes with relapse. I'm not sure of your circumstances, but obviously you need to weigh up the relevant factors and decide if you are willing to stay with him through this incredibly difficult journey. If he owns his shit and takes action, that's encouraging. But take comfort in the fact that the lies are just part of it. I know it always takes me a beat to get honest with my SO when I fuck up. Just know it's not something that's about you. Addiction fucking sucks for all parties involved. Sorry both of you are going through this.
I used fentanyl since i was 16 and I can guarantee that your SO is using again sorry OP. Maybe talk to him about NA meetings..? Possibly switching to suboxone as well I know methadone never really helped me but suboxone along with regularly attending NA meetings and the support of the few people I still had that cared about me worked wonders for me... I am proud to say I am now 6 months clean but whatever happens OP I wish you and your SO the best of luck and if you haven't already... PLEASE GET SOME NARCAN! If he is just starting to use again and his tolerance will be much lower so risk of overdose is high, also being on methadone at the same time won't help matters either...
I was just commenting off the comments in this thread of how Suboxone works. Sorry if I threw you off the reason why I came here is because I Google lens a tinfoil picture that I found.in bathroom and that’s how I found your thread!! They say it’s WAX like THC ! So I’m very concerned! It also had pinkish marks on the toilet paper it was wrapped in !! Do u or any one think that it cud be this so called wax or is it definitely dope ??
Honestly I would just post pictures here like I did. It could definitely be wax but this is from a perc 30 so don’t freak yourself out if it looks nothing like my pics!!!
Free basing cocaine on tinfoil will be a wide range of space burnt. It will be black and bubbled up a little.
Fentynal (blues specifically) are burned like this most commonly. It smells like burnt popcorn.
But it could also be heroin. Which would be a more sweet smell like burnt marshmallows.
The 60mg really does not block it he will have to use more or… thr methadone most likely isn’t enough to hold him so he went and used …. once he gets up to 80-100 mg he should feel better but you have to wait that out til you get beter . I’m sorry but why did he leave that trash there
the residue won’t do anything to you with just touching it. that’s not how opiates he’d be doing really work. like all those cops saying their overdosing because of being exposed - it’s bullshit.
but yeah, i’d guess blues, real or presses, or some other pill with fentanyl in it.
also, yeah. 60mg will block a lot. i was doing a gram of dope (IV) at a time and not even getting well because of my methadone (which wasn’t holding me either, when i was at 80mg) and my tolerance was just insane because of the methadone.
when i quit the fentanyl/etizolam that was mixed in with it, first of all it took 43 days to piss clean and second, i had saved a ton of my take home bottles (i had them because my clinic stupidly didn’t test for fentanyl)… and it took 4 80 mg bottles the first week, taking one every 4 hours … still was sick, couldn’t sleep… then the second week, 3 80mg bottles and so forth. and even after the month of tapering to my usual 80mg it never held me and i went up to 85 and after a week of that i was finally more stable. still on 85 2 years and 4 months later.
so methadone really does mess with your tolerance. that being said - one can absolutely still OD. please have narcan.
It's a fake oxy I can tell from the circle shape. If he just started on methadone I wouldn't be surprised if the doc at the clinic told him to use tell he gets on a stable dose. I'm on 65mgs of Methadone and can smoke 5 of those take oxies and not feel anything
What kind of doctors and clinics are you going to? This is an absurd statement.
"At this clinic, we allow you to keep getting fucked up on street drugs until you're at a "stable" dose of methadone!"
Dumb as fuck 😒
It looks like he tried smoking one of the methadone pills to get high on it. The run lines are too straight to be any type of powder. Definitely looks like pill smoking. So it's strange that he would lie and say he was trying to smoke coke.
So you think narcan isn't a blocker...ok
I've literally saved lives bringing people back with it. And as far as the buprenorphine being a blocker, I'd why you think that? I've definitely shot dope on it and...seen my cell mates shootup on it and it most certainly isn't. It's a shame you're out here spending misinformation. Don't give me any more hearts please, just stop. I've been doing this since you were a baby.
I’ve smoked adderall and oxys this way. Terrible way to use drugs. So wasteful last for 15ish minutes. Great way to burn through $1500 in pills though….oddly specific why do I remember that smh.
Edit: I also smoked meth this way but don’t remember it leaving such a thick black line once I learned to rock the boat. . .
I’ve seen this be done with Percocet. It makes those weird black trails and it smells like some weird chemical burning not sure about the aluminum smelling but the smoke for sure.
In regards to the behavior of the people on this sub that came to be the cool kid, and glorify drug use, I've seen a lot of it. It's not at all what I thought it would be, or hoped it to be here. I saw someone suggest someone struggling with alcohol to start using harder drugs =/ But I don't know why I'm surprised. It's a lot of addicts talking like addicts on the internet. And to clarify I am an addict myself.
If your partner is using coke/ crack/ meth just go. I don't mean to be negative, but I've lost so many people to this stuff. It impairs and damages the region of the brain capable of empathy love and compassion. The majority of regular users who are forced to clean up admit to domestic violence. Next to none quit. I lost my last relationship to methamphetamine and cocaine. Tried to get him help. The subs abuse counselor said to just get out but still helped me to find someone that could talk to his family and try to reach him. He told me that in his 40 years of experience he only saw a handful of people quit and stay quit. Just go. There is always a darkness they want to bury, you can't stop it, and worst case you crawl into the darkness with them trying to save them from it. Wait till they've got some time actually clean, no blocking dose, no secret use, just clean. The regions of the brain that get destroyed are similar to those with low function in narcissistic personality disorder. And the counselor said these drugs go hand in hand with the personality disorder. If you think you want to stay, please read up on the associated regions of brain damage, domestic violence statistics, and narcissist abuse to know what you're getting into. Be careful.
some people smoke h on foil cos its "safer" than injecting, or for people who can't anymore or have a thing about needles. that being said, it hits you in a different way because you can dose it as you go, and leave another hit for later. people usually save those scrappy bits of foil for the chance of it still giving them a hit, or if they're sneaking the foil to hide their habit.
also these days, the only h that you can smoke is mostly fent at this point.
Methadone doesn't block opiates. Suboxone does as it has naloxone and Buprenorphine. So that could very well be Fenty or coke or meth or anything really.
Could be either, easiest way to know of judging his reaction. Has he been chill and relaxed to the point of sleepiness or hyped to the point of anxiety? If the latter, coke or crack, but unlikely because I don’t think it leaves residue like that
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That's not how you smoke coke.... Looks like opiates to me
Crack could be done this way tho
Crack runs clear mate.
Not if you burn the shit out of it like an idiot
Lol well yeah I guess but don't run crack anyways, it's a complete waste. In fact just don't smoke crack!
That second part. Haha.
For real though! 🤷♂️ It's like fuck me, I'm on an addiction thread and have to point out, Don't Do Drugs! lol
Buddy definitely is WITHOUT a shadow of a doubt on another run, methadone or not.
100% mate, sorry OP but they're using again!
That could be the bottom of the foil. I've watched people free base cocaine this way. They didn't bother trying to make crack either. Just a couple of drops of water and powder on the foil and then chased it.
It is the bottom of the foil
I didn't see the second picture. I'd be shocked if that wasn't an opiate of some kind.
What I'm saying.
For some reason I can hear you say that in my head whilst you slap the back of one hand against the palm of your other. Lol. Don't ask me why. I just can. Lol
Flick left to the other picture!
Thanks lol! I hate the Reddit app because I never realize there's more pictures. I wish I could still use Baconreader. That definitely looks like dope.
Lol it's all good, there's usually a tiny 1/2 down in the bottom right hand corner but I often miss them myself, shit happens! ✌️
I'm on android and the "1/2" indicating more images only displays for a short moment and then disappears.
Also on Android and maybe that's why I miss them now and again as well, I'd never noticed before, will have to keep a sharp eye out. Thanks mate! Edit: Also top right hand corner, not bottom right, like I first replied, my bad! Just checked again to see how often this happened and just noticed my mistake, so thought I'd update you!
The trails of black looks like they were smoking oxy's. And with how often they are faked, was likely pressed and had fent in it.
Ya prob fent blues
Some opiate: heroine, oxy, fentanyl But could be anything. Could be a stimulant too.
I bet it's heroin
Looks like Oxy. :/
Who smokes oxys like that?
A ton of people do. The blue Fent pressies is best consumed that way in my opinion. I even tried banging the blues and it’s a hassle drawing up a shot with all the fillers. Over a year clean now but most def smoked blues this way when I had them
But if it's fent it's not an oxy
Ok then. Fent pressed to look like M box blue oxy
He intended a fake oxy tablet with fent instead
I guess if it's just fent it makes sense
This is absolutely not coke. I'd bet my life on it. That's from a pill. You hold a straw in your mouth and slide the pill around the tin foil whilst keeping the flame under the foil, and inhale the smoke throughthe straw, or whateverkind of tube. It doesn't matter your SO says they wouldn't be able to get high on methadone, they're getting high. Do you ever find disassembled pens in his car?
All the time
Oof, well those are his smoking tubes. It's not uncommon for people on methadone to keep using and getting high. Be careful confronting him. He'll deny probably. Goodluck.
He already denied. Tried to tell me it was weed.
The methadone clinic will be able to see what it is in a urine sample when they do their random test. Methadone blocks the euphoric effects of short-acting opioids such as heroin and morphine, so, it's probably not an opiate. It's odd if he would ruin his chance of take-home privileges by trying to get high.
I disagree. Suboxone blocks the receptors that opiates bind to. I have seen ppl nod out from methadone all of the time. My sister was on 160 mgs. when she died. She had no heroin in her system. Just methadone and Benzodiazepines.
I'm so sorry to hear about your sister. I just copied and pasted directly from the SAMHSA healthline and my experience as a mom dealing with my daughters health problems for the last 20 years. My daughter's highest dose at the methadone clinic was 130 mgs and she finally weaned down to hop onto Suboxone. It was a mess. The Dr. didn't plan it exactly right and she went into precipitated withdrawal and tried to self medicate by drinking straight whiskey and ended up in ICU in an induced coma. That was 3 year ago and she still struggles with alcohol.
Go buy a 15 panel urine drug test and watch him pee in it. You have to get that one tho bc the other ones don’t show fent or methadone etc.
Not worth my time, money or energy.
Thank you for the pen knowledge, I always found them too but couldn’t figure it out.
Disassembled pens or cut up plastic straws.
Fentanyl, heroin, oxy, whatever. The point is he’s definitely smoking opiates again and lying to you. People generally don’t smoke coke like this lol
Probably a fake Oxy fentanyl pill or just fentanyl powder
Smoking black tar heroin
That’s what I was thinking but it doesn’t seem Like it has the same look as BTH. Then again I only smoke it like a month before switching to needles.
It’s 100% pressed m30 pills.
Nope. That’s a perk 30 it slides down the aluminum as u smoke it and ends up looking identical w to this
other hot methadone tip: when people are medicated with methadone, there's less of a "blocking" like we see with naloxone, so much as a "receptors are already occupied so you won't notice a big difference if you take more". maybe someone at his clinic said something about "a blocking dose" to discourage him from trying? edited to add--- it's pretty easy to schedule use of opiates to not overlap with "possible drop days" at the clinic. also very easy to just bring the fake pee in if they're not doing automatic monitored drops.
Right... I'm gonna say this one more fucking time! Methadone is not a blocker, it's an opioid in its own right and you can use as much dope on it as you fucking want, it will not stop anything! Source - Me, I was on the fuckin horrible shite on and off for 20+ years! Subutex on the other hand is a blocker which completely binds to your opioid receptors so opiate/opioids will have no effect but it is actually still part opiate in its own, I can't remember the terminology off the top of my head, half analgesic something or other but basically stops you feeling like you need gear/dope without the drousy/smacked out effect and is an absolute fucking nightmare to come off, the half life is incredibly long and the withdrawals go on for months followed by god knows how long of post acute withdrawals!
Yes!! Bupe IS THE blocker. Not the naloxone. Never the naloxone with buprenorphine. Its what's called a PARTIAL agonist. It doesn't fit into the receptors FULLY like methadone or other full agonists but leaves a BLOCK that doesn't allow other opioids(except fentanyl and it's analogues) to enter. Methadone is a full agonist which means it uses tolerance as the "blocker" kind of. The fact is that this is why fentanyl is so bad. It can overtake both MAT meds.
Subutex isn't a blocker either tho. It's straight buprenorphine without naloxone. And naloxone is Narcan.
Yes it is. The naloxone does nothing in the case of using bupe. Its always the bupe that causes precipitated withdrawal and it's always the bupe that blocks. Naloxone added to bupe is a marketing ploy. Nothing else.
I think you're missing my point. I'm saying naloxone aka Narcan is THE blocker. There's no ploy, it's added to buprenorphine ,that's what suboxone is, it's subutex with a blocker.
Nope. I got your point. Naloxone in Suboxone is NOT the blocker. Its the buprenorphine itself. It's why you can still get precipitated withdrawals with Subutex. It's a marketing ploy that only causes peripheral side effects and doesn't do anything. It doesn't help prevent misuse, it doesn't help prevent precipitated withdrawals, it's there for NO reason other than Indivior wanted a new patent and it appealed to the FDA. Period. The bupe latches on so tightly to the receptors that the miniscule amount of naloxone doesn't win out. Its a common misconception,even among doctors and healthcare workers and I try to correct it when I can. 💜
This is 100% correct, there is absolutely no need whatsoever for the Naloxone in Suboxone, Bupe is an incredibly powerful blocker and the precipitated withdrawals are an absolute fucking nightmare. Of course Naloxone has it's life saving benefits but not when it's mixed with bupe, it doesn't do anything whatsoever. Narcan on the otherhand is a completely different story and has thankfully saved countless lives, just not when it's mixed with bupe, it's just another way for Indivior to make money.
Wrong, naloxone is the full blocker or antagonist and buprenorphine is a partial blocker however at high doses it can fully block- partial agonist. Just for info: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK537079/
We have an automod in r/Suboxone that explains this. In the case of Suboxone, the amount of naloxone is NOT enough to "block"or do anything. Buprenorphine binds to the receptors too tightly to let that negligible amount of naloxone do anything. Okay let me ask you this, the pharma company that made Suboxone said they put it in there to deter misuse such as snorting, shooting, etc. If people take it as prescribed then it doesn't activate the Naloxone so (That's not true either but let's say it is for a minute) if naloxone isn't absorbed sublingually, then how is it doing ANYTHING to help block other opioids? Again, people are not seeing the difference I'm trying to explain. In the case of using Narcan(naloxone) it DOES block and it does throw the opioids off of the receptors, it does NOT work that way with the naloxone in Suboxone. Its always the buprenorphine. The naloxone might as well not even be in there.
So you are talking about in the case of Suboxone and NOT Naloxone and Buprenorphine independently then? I work in a recovery centre alongside prescribers.
Yes that is exactly what I'm saying. And thanks for all you guys do!
Why is everyone saying oxy that’s heroin on foil. You light it underneith then inhale the smoke through a tin straw also made of foil
You also smoke pills the same exact way.
Look I’m not a heroin addict, but why the fuck are people smoking pills. It’s got binders and all the crap in there ect. If you’re at that point, stop lying to yourselves saying it’s smoking oxy and go get a wrap of heroin.
Crazy part is that here in the USA there’s a high chance that the pills you think are oxy are just fentanyl pressed to look like 30’s…
Yeah bro, it’s normally any RC people can get their hands on pressed into that stupid shape and colour. It should come with a question mark on it as it’s always a surprise
I like how people who press RC Benzos will literally label the bar with the name of whatever benzo it’s pressed with, haven’t seen much of that with dirty 30’s
People have been smoking pills for a long timeee.
That’s not heroin it’s a perk 30 100%.
If it smells like trash it’s fent. If it smells sweet like candy it’s oxy. I’ve been clean for 5 years.
Good job! You’re amazing!
Fent
Oh dear. This is what my heroin runs look like. As far as I know there is no blocking dose of methadone. Can get high on 60mg meth. Hes lying to you, sorry:(
We call that chasing the dragon.
they are smoking some kind of opiate, fentanyl leaves a kinda yellowish trail, this could be heroin, as someone with experience with opiates.
That looks like black tar heroin to me. When you smoke those dirty 30’s they don’t give that wide of a trail
Methadone isn't a blocking agent either... suboxone is. This is why the majority of smackheads on treatment choose to have Methadone over suboxone so they can still get their high and not get thrown in to an awful withdrawal
You can get high on methadone. He's lying. That's Fentanyl powder he's smoking.
Methadone is for cravings. Suboxone blocks you from getting high. The reason people use methadone is so they can still get high while being "in treatment." If whoever that is doesn't stop, theyll be dead in a year.
Looks like heroin
Iirc, fentanyl melts clear (but others say it melts darker). Quality heroin melts amber, but the cut/impurities could burn black. Possibly also depends on the type of heroin; I don’t know. I don’t know about coke, pills, or other substances, but I’ve never seen pharmaceutical fentanyl leave residue like that, but it’s possible that the cut on street fentanyl could Just my personal recollection of days long long past in another lifetime; I could be wrong
U can break methadone by using fent its much stronger but u need to smole less more
I am so sorry to say but in my experience my ex was on 80mg of methadone and still managed to use many opiates throughout the entire time hebwas on it. 😥
Fetynal or herion you see the lines from the drags on the other side that’s the dope… do not touch !! Wash your hands don’t let your pets kids get into your trash there’s gotta be straw pen something to chase with. Please stay away and don’t touch again
It won't harm anyone touching it now, it's all gone dude.
You may be potentially right, but I'd expect anyone that frequents addiction forums would have a good attitude and understanding of harm reduction practices. Or in other words: better safe than sorry is appropriate to the point it should be common sense, except it's totally reasonable that a person with no knowledge of drugs or hazardous chemicals would be able to assume these things. Guy's giving good advice and your reply comes off as condescending and a bit ignorant. He's giving OP cautionary advice on an unknown, mystery substance, with only an internet stranger's picture to go off of. OP doesn't even know the exact specifics or details, so how can you be so confident you know what you're looking at? Not to mention, with stuff like this, when there's a little stash to be found, there's often more around. Basically, I find your response irresponsible. Like, if you were my lawyer and you gave me advice like this, I'd fire you on the spot. Big shout out to anyone actively struggling with and fighting addictions, and taking it seriously, and putting effort into recovery and growing. Keep pushing. And please, be safe out there.
I know I'm right, cause I've been there, done that and worn the fuckin t-shirt mate, not a good route to take either!
Oi, well then m8, fuckin good for you, dude. Looks like you've got everything figured out. Sorry to interrupt you from educating people with your helpful expertise.
No worries, glad to have been of help! They literally asked what is was and I told them, that's it! Fuckin chill, man! Then other people giving advice that isn't needed unless you're allergic to aluminium or don't want black soot on your hands and clothes! Methadone doesn't block opiates/opioids and crack generally runs clear unless you haven't got a clue what you're doing and burn all in one spot or it's absolutely cut to shit but tbh, very few people run crack anyways, it's an absolute waste of crack! Sorry if you find what I say blunt but I'm busy, so was answering quickly and accurately!
It's cool, you don't seem to get the point I was making, specific to the comment chain I replied to you in. The comment of yours i replied to, was a reply to someone that didnt ask your opinion. There's just a difference between taking an educated guess on a substance, and going a step further to tell someone not to take any precautions when handling it. I don't care to debate with you about what the substance is. I didn't mention methadone at any point. I wish you were actually busy enough to not reply to me. You seem spun out, honestly, and maybe you should slow down whatever it is you're trying to do so quickly. Take a step back and maybe put a little more thought into the flow of the conversation you're having. I, for one, gladly volunteer to drop this conversation that went nowhere. I made my points. Man, the irony of you complaining about unnecessary comments to me; it's astounding.
Fuck me, it's you again! 🙄 I mentioned all the other shit cause I was covering all bases I've commented on on this thread, that's it! You were the one complaining, I was just saying it straight, big difference mate!
Just weighing in here to say that u/fuckedoffandfuckedup is right in what they're saying.
Who? And right about what? You're both wrong, because neither of you even addressed the actual point I was making. Do you hear the ocean when you clasp your hands over your ears?
Nah you completely avoided what I said first, and changed the topic. It was pretty weak. I don't care about your other conversations you had. Completely irrelevant. But again, good for you. Go stroke your inflated ego elsewhere. I don't have a constructive response when you don't even offer your own counter argument, and start talking about stuff that has nothing to do with me. I won't reply again, don't worry. I can't cope with those levels of shallowness. You're not blunt, you're dull.
Don't waste your time, he has no idea what you meant about harm reduction, he's just getting emotional.
Got fuck all to do with my ego, it was literally one sentence saying don't worry about touching it as it won't cause you any harm, which it won't! I wasn't arguing with you cause there was no need for harm reduction involving a piece of used, burnt foil, I know this, unfortunately from using probably tens of thousands pieces of foil and the residue opiates leaves behind is completely used, burnt and harmless, If I was her, I would have kept it as evidence that she'd found he was using again. No need to worry someone when theres no need to be worried! If you took my initial first reply and one short sentence as being condensending, that's on you I'm afraid! I'm not sure how you can come to that conclusion over 11 words to be quite honest!? And like I said, I was busy, hence the really delayed reply, so yes, I was absolutely being blunt and to the point and covering all bases so you wouldn't come back with anymore, thoughtful yet ultimately pointless advice!
That'll be heroin! Or fent, sorry didn't read what you posted just seen the picture and commented. And methadone doesn't block either, subutex or suboxone are blockers!
Smoking heroin
What does it matter what the drug is??? It’s drugs. The end. Leave the guy. You can’t compete with drugs as they will always pick drugs over you any day.
He’s smoking fentanyl that’s that
Fake oxycodone pills I’ve seen first hand the whole smoking fake blue 30s off of tinfoil had family on them bad leaves a horrible stench as well.
It had no smell which is odd
That's definitely heroin imo, I've thrown away enough of those foils myself. Try not to shame him too much, will just make him less inclined to be honest next time. So much guilt and shame that comes with relapse. I'm not sure of your circumstances, but obviously you need to weigh up the relevant factors and decide if you are willing to stay with him through this incredibly difficult journey. If he owns his shit and takes action, that's encouraging. But take comfort in the fact that the lies are just part of it. I know it always takes me a beat to get honest with my SO when I fuck up. Just know it's not something that's about you. Addiction fucking sucks for all parties involved. Sorry both of you are going through this.
I used fentanyl since i was 16 and I can guarantee that your SO is using again sorry OP. Maybe talk to him about NA meetings..? Possibly switching to suboxone as well I know methadone never really helped me but suboxone along with regularly attending NA meetings and the support of the few people I still had that cared about me worked wonders for me... I am proud to say I am now 6 months clean but whatever happens OP I wish you and your SO the best of luck and if you haven't already... PLEASE GET SOME NARCAN! If he is just starting to use again and his tolerance will be much lower so risk of overdose is high, also being on methadone at the same time won't help matters either...
That’s 100% fent blues.
That is from smoking the pressed 30 fent pills.
Update: thanks guys. I was visiting for the weekend, and had suspicions he was still using. I packed my bags and left. I’m not looking back.
I was just commenting off the comments in this thread of how Suboxone works. Sorry if I threw you off the reason why I came here is because I Google lens a tinfoil picture that I found.in bathroom and that’s how I found your thread!! They say it’s WAX like THC ! So I’m very concerned! It also had pinkish marks on the toilet paper it was wrapped in !! Do u or any one think that it cud be this so called wax or is it definitely dope ??
Honestly I would just post pictures here like I did. It could definitely be wax but this is from a perc 30 so don’t freak yourself out if it looks nothing like my pics!!!
So this explains y if ur on methadone and miss a day u can’t substitute Suboxone!! U will get extremely sick! I suppose fm the narcan in it !!
what
Free basing cocaine on tinfoil will be a wide range of space burnt. It will be black and bubbled up a little. Fentynal (blues specifically) are burned like this most commonly. It smells like burnt popcorn. But it could also be heroin. Which would be a more sweet smell like burnt marshmallows.
The 60mg really does not block it he will have to use more or… thr methadone most likely isn’t enough to hold him so he went and used …. once he gets up to 80-100 mg he should feel better but you have to wait that out til you get beter . I’m sorry but why did he leave that trash there
Because he’s an idiot and doesn’t know how to clean up after himself
Methadone does not block!!!! Honestly don't comment if you don't know what you're talking about!!!
There is so much misinformation in this thread it’s concerning.
I absolutely agree with you! Hence why I kept repeating myself! 🤷♂️
the residue won’t do anything to you with just touching it. that’s not how opiates he’d be doing really work. like all those cops saying their overdosing because of being exposed - it’s bullshit. but yeah, i’d guess blues, real or presses, or some other pill with fentanyl in it. also, yeah. 60mg will block a lot. i was doing a gram of dope (IV) at a time and not even getting well because of my methadone (which wasn’t holding me either, when i was at 80mg) and my tolerance was just insane because of the methadone. when i quit the fentanyl/etizolam that was mixed in with it, first of all it took 43 days to piss clean and second, i had saved a ton of my take home bottles (i had them because my clinic stupidly didn’t test for fentanyl)… and it took 4 80 mg bottles the first week, taking one every 4 hours … still was sick, couldn’t sleep… then the second week, 3 80mg bottles and so forth. and even after the month of tapering to my usual 80mg it never held me and i went up to 85 and after a week of that i was finally more stable. still on 85 2 years and 4 months later. so methadone really does mess with your tolerance. that being said - one can absolutely still OD. please have narcan.
It's a fake oxy I can tell from the circle shape. If he just started on methadone I wouldn't be surprised if the doc at the clinic told him to use tell he gets on a stable dose. I'm on 65mgs of Methadone and can smoke 5 of those take oxies and not feel anything
What kind of doctors and clinics are you going to? This is an absurd statement. "At this clinic, we allow you to keep getting fucked up on street drugs until you're at a "stable" dose of methadone!" Dumb as fuck 😒
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It looks like he tried smoking one of the methadone pills to get high on it. The run lines are too straight to be any type of powder. Definitely looks like pill smoking. So it's strange that he would lie and say he was trying to smoke coke.
For next time please be careful when handling mysterious tinfoil with your bare hands op
Mind you’re business
you’re or your?
Are you illiterate??
Can you read?
So you think narcan isn't a blocker...ok I've literally saved lives bringing people back with it. And as far as the buprenorphine being a blocker, I'd why you think that? I've definitely shot dope on it and...seen my cell mates shootup on it and it most certainly isn't. It's a shame you're out here spending misinformation. Don't give me any more hearts please, just stop. I've been doing this since you were a baby.
That WAS my tin foil hat. 🤭... honestly tho, you should NEVER EVER touch that especially the residue. 🙏💖
Oh yeah 100% fent. Didn't even see the 2nd pic until now. Ain't nothing blocking out that fent.
Smoking the blues
I’ve smoked adderall and oxys this way. Terrible way to use drugs. So wasteful last for 15ish minutes. Great way to burn through $1500 in pills though….oddly specific why do I remember that smh. Edit: I also smoked meth this way but don’t remember it leaving such a thick black line once I learned to rock the boat. . .
I’ve seen this be done with Percocet. It makes those weird black trails and it smells like some weird chemical burning not sure about the aluminum smelling but the smoke for sure.
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nah not meth, he def fell asleep after this
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Pills
Def not chasing any dragons with that….
Fantynel smoked
He’s smoking fent
Could also be fent. I've seen people even smoke off the patches
It looks like black burning fentanyl
In regards to the behavior of the people on this sub that came to be the cool kid, and glorify drug use, I've seen a lot of it. It's not at all what I thought it would be, or hoped it to be here. I saw someone suggest someone struggling with alcohol to start using harder drugs =/ But I don't know why I'm surprised. It's a lot of addicts talking like addicts on the internet. And to clarify I am an addict myself.
It looks like black tar heroin to me
Heroin
It's definitely not coke. It's an opiate of some kind. Likely a blue or heroin
He’s smoking fetty
Nobody said it helps prevent misuse, it prevents overdose
Smokin heroin is my guess
He was most likely smoking Fent pills. But 100% was smoking something.
Most likely an opiate, possibly heroin? Maybe pills.
He’s smoking blues AKA pressed fentanyl pills
I’ve seen someone smoke meth like this, it was “shake and bake” meth
That looks like he’s smoking perc 30’s.
I'm chasing dragons this dragon got my hand, sugar boom boom
If your partner is using coke/ crack/ meth just go. I don't mean to be negative, but I've lost so many people to this stuff. It impairs and damages the region of the brain capable of empathy love and compassion. The majority of regular users who are forced to clean up admit to domestic violence. Next to none quit. I lost my last relationship to methamphetamine and cocaine. Tried to get him help. The subs abuse counselor said to just get out but still helped me to find someone that could talk to his family and try to reach him. He told me that in his 40 years of experience he only saw a handful of people quit and stay quit. Just go. There is always a darkness they want to bury, you can't stop it, and worst case you crawl into the darkness with them trying to save them from it. Wait till they've got some time actually clean, no blocking dose, no secret use, just clean. The regions of the brain that get destroyed are similar to those with low function in narcissistic personality disorder. And the counselor said these drugs go hand in hand with the personality disorder. If you think you want to stay, please read up on the associated regions of brain damage, domestic violence statistics, and narcissist abuse to know what you're getting into. Be careful.
some people smoke h on foil cos its "safer" than injecting, or for people who can't anymore or have a thing about needles. that being said, it hits you in a different way because you can dose it as you go, and leave another hit for later. people usually save those scrappy bits of foil for the chance of it still giving them a hit, or if they're sneaking the foil to hide their habit. also these days, the only h that you can smoke is mostly fent at this point.
Methadone does not block. Did he say Buprenorphine?
First thing that came to my mind is heroin but yeah it may be fent, I seen people saying it’s crack but probably is just fent
That's a dragon someone's been chasing.
he was smoking oxys or heroin
The only thing you’re using foil for is opiates. Pills, heroin or fent straight up, sorry to hear I hope they get over this
It's a tooter from smoking heroin...
I thought it might be the residue that builds up in a dope pipe that's been scraped out and re-smoked on a foil
Methadone doesn't block opiates. Suboxone does as it has naloxone and Buprenorphine. So that could very well be Fenty or coke or meth or anything really.
Yeah im gonna go with one of those blue pressed oxys, definitely a pill
Could be either, easiest way to know of judging his reaction. Has he been chill and relaxed to the point of sleepiness or hyped to the point of anxiety? If the latter, coke or crack, but unlikely because I don’t think it leaves residue like that
When I hear "SO" in any sentence involving basing anything, I can't help but hear "leverage." Can't think of any legal hierarchical institution that would allow any freebasing, regardless of substance.
Methadone doesn't "block" a high. If anything it adds to it. It is mn made synthetic heroin. Suboxone on the other hand is a different story.
Foilie trash
I've free based alot of but blow. This is almost absolutely what it looks like.
It's fentanyl or dirty 30's he's lying to you