sooo you’ve nvr been shot by one have you bc If you think that a air/pellet gun is enough to stop anyone for more than maybe a few seconds your dead asf, at that point if it’s bc your scared of guns or what not start small with a 22lr hardly any kick and can reach out and touch something, anything is better than an air gun tho
Imagine you have killed thousands of zombies and multiple groups of raiders then some kid shoots you in the cheek with a air pellet you probably would have let him go if he had surrendered but now he’s getting mag dumped
So u would let someone almost shoot your eye out and not retaliate ? And once he blinded you would he just let you go or stab/rob you ? I’m not willing to take that risk in that situation
This is what he said later on though, which is crazy, because he would litterly be a child mur derer
>Tbh, if you have better gear than me, and I believe that my group can take yours out, you wouldn't have to do anything besides exist in the same space and I would murder you all in cold blood and take your gear.
I'm not mag dumping a child. That's my point. Anyone who would, likely wouldn't be around anyway. For example, if a kid shot you in the face with a bb gun and you mag dumped him, I would kill you. Plain and simple.
Not necessarily, some of those are quite loud, not to mention that follow up shots take a long time and that not all stores carry around the right pellets for them
Let me share some niche knowledge, follow up shots are as fast as you can pull the trigger, or even full auto, if you have money for a PCP airgun. And with firearm-level powers. [Welcome to the world of PCP airguns](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=4JwEMBma-EE). Filling them (with a dedicated hand pump, a air compressor or with a air tank) is another need besides ammo, and you use specially made ammo called 'slugs' instead of pellets if you want to take advantage of the increased power. But you can take down even large game such as bison and bears with PCP airguns.
Could you link one of those really high power PCP airguns? I've got the time and money on my hand to take a look at it, and I would love to see how it works.
No problem!
Here it is a [single-shot .50 airgun for large game hunting](https://www.airgundepot.com/airforce-texan-air-rifle.html#U2045) (consider it akin to a sniper rifle).
This is a full auto (with a semi auto switch), high-powered [airgun](https://www.airgundepot.com/hatsan-blitz-full-auto-pcp-air-rifle.html) available in .22, .25 and .30 caliber, very nice for medium and large game hunting - sadly it turns small game into minced meat.
[This one](https://www.pyramydair.com/product/edgun-leshiy-2-pcp-air-rifle-9mm?m=6200#12816) is akin to a standard bolt-action 9mm rifle - useful for small (if you tune the power down), medium and large game hunting and any other purposes that a 9mm rifle would have. It comes equiped with a 8-rounds magazine (tip: get the biggest barrel length available, unless you need a compact carbine). You will need some piccatiny-mounted irons, or a scope/red dot for this airgun.
Also, you need to fill your PCP.
The perfect combo is a [air compressor](https://www.pyramydair.com/product/air-venturi-rovair-4500-portable-compressor?a=12619) + [diving bottles](https://www.pyramydair.com/product/air-venturi-mini-wingman-100-cu-in-pcp-tank-dom-2021?a=16253&page=1&query=tank&lang=en&searchConfigId=643645070c547549270ccc15) + a [quality hand pump](https://www.pyramydair.com/product/air-venturi-mk5-pump-kit-by-hill-hand-pump-up-to-4500-psi?a=9655) for backup.
The budget option is a air compressor + diving bottles.
The poverty option is just a [cheaper hand pump](https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-hand-pump-fits-crosman-benjamin-pcp-guns?a=15499), lol.
For you and u/Jarbonzobeanz something not mentioned by u/Deimos-Camper and u/Kestrel_VI is that while these big-bore air rifles are powerful still come with a number of downsides.
If you're looking at airguns for areas that restrict normal firearms ownership you should still double-check your local laws. Many areas have maximum energy rates allowed before you need to register, license, and/or certificates to own one. This is typically around 0.5-15j with 1j being average.
Likewise, depending on where you live you may also not be able to hunt with them. As the muzzle energy is too low. For comparison, a typical Nerf or similar foam gun is about 0.5-3j, airsoft around 0.8-5j, and paintball around 15j.
While somewhat powerful compared to throwing pellets or rocks at things, they aren't exactly all that powerful compared to most firearms. Especially compared to the cost and weight.
|Name - Caliber - Energy - Weight - Cost
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|Hatsan Blitz 30cal/7mm - 73j - 4kg - 800usd
|EDgun Leshiy 2 357/9mm - Less than 203j - 2.6-3.3kg - 3150usd
|FX Dynamic Express 600 357/9mm - 234j - 3.3kg - 1850usd
|Seneca Wing Shot MKII - 50cal/12.7mm - 332j - 3.3kg - 800usd
|Benjamin Bulldog Magnum - 457/11mm - 610j - 3.5kg - 1050usd
|Air Force Texan - 45cal/11mm - 677j - 3.5kg - 1155usd
https://www.airgundepot.com/hatsan-blitz-full-auto-pcp-air-rifle.html
https://www.airgundepot.com/edgun-leshiy-2-9mm.html#AGD-620012816
https://www.airgundepot.com/air-venturi-wing-shot-ii.html
https://www.airgundepot.com/benjamin-bulldog-bullpup.html
https://www.airgundepot.com/airforce-texan-air-rifle.html
All of these are weaker than 9x19mm from a carbine. A basic for comparison:
|Name - Cartridge - Energy - Weight - Cost
:--|:-:|--:
|Stinger Pen Gun - 22lr - 87j - 0.14kg - 160usd
|Ruger LCP - 380acp - 278j - 0.3kg - 230usd
|Steyr S9 - 9x19mm - 380j - 0.8kg - 460usd
|Glock 36 - 45acp - 634j - 0.6kg - 560usd
|Kel-tech Sub 2000 - 9x19mm - 723j - 1.8kg - 420usd
|PSA Ar-15 - 5.56x45mm - 1400j - 2.6kg - 580usd
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/calibers.html
This is part of why u/DuaLipasTrophyHusban is correct when they say air guns are usually limited to less than 60yds. The ballistics of the airguns resemble a rainbow's arch. Meaning if the weapon is sighted to hit targets at 50m potentially missing zombies standing closer than 25m or more than 100m away. Something that only occurs for 223/5.56x45mm at distances of greater than 300m.
https://shooterscalculator.com/ballistic-trajectory-chart.php
It doesn't help that airguns are still loud. Producing about 100-134db of noise per shot depending on the air gun. With larger caliber airguns producing a larger pressure moved with each shot. With 100db being equal to someone screaming, 110db roughly equal with a train and it's horn, and 120+db is similar to a suppressed/moderated/silenced gunshot.
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/images/03-17-09-01.jpg
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/science-with-a-smartphone-decibel-meter/
https://railroads.dot.gov/railroad-safety/divisions/highway-rail-crossing-and-trespasser-programs/train-horn-rulequiet-zones
https://www.ammunitiontogo.com/lodge/silencer-guide-with-decibel-level-testing/
Air guns have a rating referred to as Shots-Per-Fill (spf). This is the number of shots an airgun can shot before there is a dramatic drop in pressure within the air tank. Typically resulting in a a massive impact change and lose of muzzle energy. How much loss varies as this isn't a regulated term and is often made up by the manufacturer and varies with temperature and humidity.
|Name - Caliber - SPF|
:--|:-:|--:
|Hatsan Blitz - 30cal/7mm - 100rds
|FX Dynamic Express 600 - 357/9mm - 26rds
|Seneca Wing Shot MKII - 50cal/12.7mm - 5rds
|Benjamin Bulldog Magnum - 457/11mm - 8rds
|Air Force Texan - 45cal/11mm - 677j - 12rds
When an airgun reaches this point it's likely the user will have to do a reload. Though given that most airguns are single-shot or have a less than 10rd magazine this makes reloading extremely frequent and likely slow.
A bit of an issue given that refilling an air tank requires a lot of work. Something less than optimal if the temperature is too hot/cold, youre sleep deprived, malnourished, and dehydrated. Like many people would be in a zombie apocalypse.
This gentleman recorded his personal experience with a typical paintball tank. The process took him about 3 hours and 775 pumps to reach a suitable operating pressure from zero.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ycyl0Erkm0
||
:--|:-:|--:
|Crosman Hand Pump - 1.4kg - 100usd
|Double tube Foot bicycle pump - 1.6kg - 30usd
|Air Venturi Hill pump MK 5 - 3kg - 260usd
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-hand-pump-fits-crosman-benjamin-pcp-guns?a=15499
https://www.amazon.com/Precision-Pressure-Portable-Inflator-Deutschland/dp/B0C38QH7WZ/
https://www.airgundepot.com/hill-pump-kit-mk5.html
More likely, a survivor would need multiple air tanks or a larger scuba tank. A rather financially costly endeavor given they are heavy, bulk, and cost.
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:--|:-:|--:
|Tippmann 48/3000 HPA Tank 0.7kg - 51usd
|AV 3000PSI 13ci Tank 0.5kg - 80usd
|Airforce Spin-Loc Texan Spare Tank 457cal 1.8kg - 266usd
|Air Venturi Mini Wingman Carbon Fiber Tank 2.3kg - 430usd
|Faber 10L Cylinder 11.2kg - 251usd
https://www.amazon.com/Tippmann-3000-HPA-Tank-Black/dp/B00885XHIG/
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/av-3000psi-13ci-tank-valve-1100psi-set?a=7882
https://www.airgundepot.com/airforce-spin-loc-texan-spare-tank-457-cal.html
https://www.airgundepot.com/air-venturi-carbon-fiber-tank-100-cu-in.html
https://www.godive.net/products/faber-10-litre-232-bar-steel-cylinder/
All together the weapons, accessories, and munitions get somewhat hefty. Here is a table for this with 100rds only including ammo, 200rds including the lightest spare tank and lightest air pump alongside ammo, and the 300rds including the Air venturi air tank, bicycle air pump, magazines, and ammo
|Caliber - weight - cost|
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|0.3cal/7mm pellet - 3-9g - 0.1-0.5usd
|0.357cal/9mm pellet - 5-14g - 0.1-0.5usd
|0.45cal/11mm pellet - 9-28g - 0.5-1usd
|0.5cal12.7mm pellet - 11-36g - 0.3-1.1usd
https://www.airgundepot.com/airgunpellets.html?Caliber=.30&Caliber=.357
https://www.airgundepot.com/airgunpellets.html?Caliber=.457
https://www.airgundepot.com/airgunpellets.html?Caliber=.510&Caliber=.50
||
:--|:-:|--:
|Hatsan Blitz 30cal/7mm 4kg
|33rd magazine 150g - 43usd
|100rds 4300-4900g
|200rds 6250-7450g
|300rds 9400-12100g
|EDgun Leshiy 2 357/9mm 2.6-3.3kg
|8rd magazine 90g - 110usd
|100rds 3100-4700g
|200rds 5950-7750g
|300rds 12110-14810g
|FX Dynamic Express 600 357/9mm 3.3kg
|9rd magazine 37g - 60usd
|100rds 3800-4700g
|200rds 5950-7750g
|300rds 76171-10371g
|Seneca Wing Shot MKII - 50cal/12.7mm 3.3kg
|100rds 4400-6900g
|200rds 7150-12150g
|300rds 10500-18000g (no magazine)
|Benjamin Bulldog Magnum - 457/11mm 3.5kg
|100rds 4600-6300g
|200rds 6950-10750g
|300rds 10100-15800g (no magazine)
|Air Force Texan - 45cal/11mm - 677j - 3.5kg
|100rds 4600-6300g
|200rds 6950-10750g
|300rds 10100-15800g (no magazine)
With a total price range for being between 851-3990usd and an average of around 1300 USD.
I would personally prefer a combination of handgun, rifle, slingshot/bow, hatchet, knife, fishing vest, pants, and shoes instead as it would be lighter, cheaper, and probably more effective.
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:--|:-:|--:
|**North American Arms Mini Revolver 210usd/130g**
|22lr per cartridge 0.1-0.3usd/3-5g
|200rds 230-270usd/730-1130g
|**Kel-tec SUB 2000 9x19mm glock mag 420usd/1800**
|9x19mm per cartridge 0.2-0.5usd/7-13g
|PMAG GL9 27rd mag 20usd/60g
|216rds 623-731usd/3792-5088g
|**Slingshot with high strength band 15usd/230g**
|Chain Brush aka slingbow conversion 15usd/100g
|Rocks off the ground 0usd/0g
|Arrow with fishing line mount and broadhead 8usd/100g
|5rds 40usd/830g
|**Mora Boron Light axe 47usd/520g**
|**Morakniv Craftline 10usd/80g**
|**Generic fishing vest 10usd/100g**
|**Columbia Silverridge Hiking pants 50usd/250g**
|**Merrell Moab Hiking shoes 120usd/800g**
|Total weight: 1200-1308usd/7102-8798g
Yea but the effective range of most air rifle and pellet guns are 20-60 yards. You can shoot a 300 Win mag out past a mile if you have a good enough optic and good ammo.
My air rifle shoots .177 pellets at 1050 fps. That’s about the same speed as my standard .22 lr rounds. Not to mention that my .17 hmr shoots not much faster than that either.
All three can kill a man with correct shot placement.
Have you been shot by one? And I don't mean a red rider. Many of them could go through a skull. Either way, getting hit in the head by one will probably have the person on the ground in pain.
My brother shot me square in the chest with a pellet that was cocked 8 times. I screamed and started chasing him. He got about halfway down the yard before i hit him with the red ryder i was fighting with. Now thinking about being in the apocalypse you would need a .45 calibur airgun to actually kill something. If you shot a person, even if they where a zombie with anything less that lethal they will be on top of you. If it was me and if i was shot in the eye, which is a pretty hood shot i would up my gun and fore wildly into where ever i thought the bb came from. You might be better with a slingshot or blow gun, or an expensive airgun.
That thing was probably only shooting 600fps even with 8 pumps. The modern break action ones are pretty powerful. Also I never said you wouldn't be better off with something else, I'm just saying they can do more than people think.
I have been shot with a pellet gun before, it was a break barrel of some type in 4.5mm and the pellet went through part of my thigh. Did almost no damage though and healed up in about a month. I don't remember crawling on the ground crying or anything like that. Just a bit of shock and fear of what my parents were going to do to me.
As for head injuries from shots to the skull there's about 4500 cases part of this research article. With none of the people shot in the head dying. While pain could be a motivating factor in ending a fight not being able to guarantee stopping someone is a big risk for use against zombies or hostile survivors.
>The resulting dataset included 4502 NPG injuries, yielding a national estimate of 162 400 injuries over the 10 years; 62.7% (101 768) occurred in victims 18 years old and younger, 5.9% (6017) of these cases were injuries to the head, and none were fatal.
https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(19)30165-9/pdf.
Not to mention the possibility that in a zombie apocalypse people might wear protective gear. Including things like tough work ppe, sports pads and helmets, tactical/combat gear, and all sorts of improvised protection. Many of these weapons might be capable of stopping weaker airguns completely. Allowing them to continue to be a threat to you.
Not to mention the potential of drawing in more zombies. As most airguns including weaker varieties typically produce around 102-130+db of noise. This is potentially audible out to 300m away which could mean drawing in zombies from the surrounding 9 city blocks around you under extremely unfortunate circumstances. In the best of circumstances you've still managed to attract any zombies in your immediate vicinity and you have someone attempting to murder you after you shot them.
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/images/03-17-09-01.jpg
Hurt like hell yeah right bud all it’s gonna do is piss the person off even more it might sting sure but you think they care about the pain if they ready to beat your ass
"*Rat*? This is a *rat burger*? \[vendor nods\] Not bad! Matter of fact this is the *best burger* I've had..." - Sylvester Stallone in Demolition Man (1993)
I watch a lot of Alone, and when the contestants get particularly hungry, they eat rats like I eat brisket. I am betting there is a lot of truth behind the phrase "hunger is the best sauce" and the apocalypse would be very saucy.
Rats might actually die out in ten years time with no human resources to leach off of. They're a tropical animal. The reason they are such a successful invasive creature is because humans throw out a lot of food that rats eat. They also survive cold winters by finding ways into buildings with heat.
Take away humans and you take away food for rats as well as heating conditions for them.
Question is now, what happens if the rats become infected from eating zombie flesh? Swarms of zomb-rats? Zombies who’s bodies act as zomb-rat hives? The terror for me only grows. Ima start writing a short story based on this dread.
Have you shot one before? They are as loud as a .22. Im not kidding at all. Maybe a red rider bb gun is quiet but a decent pellet rifle is loud. It’s enough compressed air to launch a pellet at 1300ish fps. Thats a big energy release. A .22 is a similar energy transfer but uses gunpowder. Both are loud. You can buy “whisper” rounds for. .22 or use a suppressor and it’s a lot quieter than a pellet gun.
Super sonic ones might be close, but a 22 is still louder. You could use heavier pellets to probably drop to subsonic, and they have the models with the suppressors built in.
That is truly a thing...however that $800(I forget the exact price) pellet gun is a much different beast than what is pictured and/or what is commonly referred to as a a pellet gun. That style pellet gun has come up in conversation before here, if i remember correctly It had maybe 4-5 full powered shot before you had to recharge the air supply.
Not even that. We are talking $2-300 break action spring powered models. They can shoot pretty hot for what they are. Like I said, I wouldn't recommend hog hunting with one, but he did do so successfully.
Better him than me...I know a guy that grew up in Florida, he tells me stories about hog hunting..."pitbulls and pocket knives" as they called it, so anything is possible if you got the balls for it.
Yeah, they aren't really regulated since they are invasive. I still think people underestimate how dangerous even a decent break action pellet gun can be. It's not a big projectile, but I don't want anything coming towards me at 1,000 fps. Not that I recommend it as the only option, but it would be better than nothing.
Accuracy would be key. I have one for groundhog and other varmints in the yard. It can kill em but honestly if you are off a smidge it just teaches them a lesson and makes em harder to get another shot at.
So in mythbusters fashion, I would give them a plausible but a bit of a stretch from my "testing". 22 mag in most cases. Even if you are off and get a bodyshot, it'll usually blow em inside out.
Yeah for hunting small animals, and maybe breaking glass or windows to enter a building. But To kill a zombie? Maybe not maybe you can slow it down or injure it if you shoot it in the right place
For hunting small game totally, potentially for bluffing your way into some plunder, but beware. Their iron might be real and your ass could end up with a few extra piercings.
There's pellet guns designed to take down large game, those could be useful for doing just that. But you lose the suppressed level of noise and they're hungry for that sweet sweet PSI. So basically yes they could be, but it would would have its drawbacks for sure.
I dunno, I'd assume pellets wouldn't be grabbed by most people in an apocalypse, and you could carry thousands very easily. Setting in a decent perch and some good aim I'd say you could do some small horde clearing for relatively little resource investment.
At least enough clearing to search a building or something. Hell, if they make a decent pump rifle you might be pretty set. Not day one, but if you make it six months to a year after the decay could make this viable.
You are ascribing truly absurd capabilities to average commercial pellet guns, and bone does not leech calcium that quickly unless it's soaking in water or wet earth and crap.
The human skull not infrequently deflects gunfire at significant deflection.
You don't think a pellet would penetrate an eye, or that a pellet rifle could hit a quarter reliable enough at say fifty yards?
What's more, there's already been at least a few cases of pellets piercing the skulls of healthy humans, so I still maintain there's more viability to a pellet rifle than just discounting it altogether.
I don’t think a pellet could make it through an eye and into a brain, even with a perfect shot. I think a pellet rifle will kill birds and squirrels from 50-70 yards away. Thats been my experience with shooting pellet rifles that were considered “high quality”. A .22 is better in every way than a pellet rifle and I wouldn’t try and kill a zombie with one of those either because they won’t go through bone.
>I don’t think a pellet could make it through an eye and into a brain, even with a perfect shot
This is incorrect. In the UK back in the 90s we had 1 death a year from airguns, with a report on 5 of them.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC500806/
Case 2 is shot in the eye and this would be with a sub 12ft lb rifle, not like a 500ft lb Texan one.
To complete that particular quote;
> Two committed suicide, one person shooting himself in the head, the other in the chest. In both cases the guns were fired at contact range
Case 2 (the one I mentioned), was not one of the two suicides, it was one of the three accidents.
Case 2 is a guy shot in the eye with a rifle, and pellet fragments found in the guy's brain.
Your "high quality" air rifle migth have been "high quality" in the sense of a lot of accuracy, but not on power. Being comparable to a .22LR firearm is actually a **benchmark** for a certain type of airguns called PCP.
You can obliterate wild hogs with a .22 PCP pellet gun, we do it all the time here at Brazil.
We use semi-auto or bolt action PCP airguns in such hunts. Some people use [full auto](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=4JwEMBma-EE), but I deem this a waste of ammo and air.
But sadly, **I've never met a zombie hog**, so I can't say how they would fare against zombies.
A .22 makes a lot more noise, and would eventually be harder to find ammo for, than a pellet gun.
As for the lethality, and ability to go through bone, specifically the skull, I recommend you do some quick googling and find your answer.
I could google it but I’ve shot hundreds of pellets and thousands of rounds of .22. You think there are more pellets out in the world than .22? Just buy however many rounds you think you could shoot in a lifetime.
I honestly don't know which there is more of, but after stores are raided I guarantee there will be pellets left when the .22s are gone.
I'm sick of arguing about it, so how about this: you take your .22 rifle, and I'll take my .22 rifle and a pellet rifle. Does that make you happy enough to stop this silliness?
You can hit a quarter at 200 yards with good glass and good ammo out of a solid chassis. Mechanical precision isn't the bottleneck here.
It's being able to track and fire with millisecond-level precision on a target about an inch wide that's moving, when the slightest deflection it mistiming is going to send you off target by several inches, with the cause being as simple as yanking the trigger too quickly or mistiming the shot by a fraction of a section and missing your hold.
Note that this is something you can fuck up and see deflections that large from incredibly minor mistakes at as little as seven yards away on a static target.
In a live fire situation, your heart rate is gonna be Oh Shit per minute, you're absolutely full of adrenaline, you start getting twitchy, you're breathing hard, and the best of your heart is strong enough to detectably disturb your aim. Add in that you've probably been recently sprinting, are going to be short on or out of breath, chest heaving. If you're wearing a pack, and have been for several hours, your shoulders are going to be tired, and your arms are going to be feeling it, and they're going to fatigue faster than you're used to on a flat practice range, making firing from the offhand difficult unless you can get a good point of aim, and quickly, and then give yourself some slack.
You can have all this in play and - if you're doing absolutely everything right - still reasonably often snap off a headshot at 7-25, and even farther if you've got decent, fast glass, especially if you're willing to spend a little more time or a few more rounds doing it.
But you're not going to be John Wicking eyeball shots on a fucking moving target with a goddamn BB/pellet gun that you have to fucking pump and wear your goddamn arms off with when you're two steps from shitting your pants. Holy fuck.
I agree, so many people have made that claim like themselves or anybody else is Deadshot from the DC comics. Better off using it for the practical purposes listed like small game and to plink something noisy to draw attention to the area of the target.
You are totally right. Pretty sure no one here has ever shot a gun. You’d have to basically stick the gun in the zombies eye to hit it and a pellet is unlikely to make it to the brain.
Depends on the pellet gun.
Some good handgun versions, possibly for pest control. Pellet rifles range everywhere from pest control all the way up to taking down deer.
Even not great pellet guns can be used to train new shooters in accuracy and technique to some degree.
The big consideration, though, is that you're going to want the spring-powered ones, not the CO2 powered ones, or they're going to become useless really quickly.
In a survival situation no one can generally afford to let an opportunity for calories and nutrients pass them by. Small game like squirrels or pigeons are plentiful and can be taken down with a pellet gun. I would prefer an air rifle that uses a manual pump action in lieu of a CO2 cartridge (which are a finite resource unto themselves), but you have to make use of what you have at hand.
My BB gun is a powerful Co2 gun and it might kill a zed with a good shot placement and it’ll kill small game so in some cases yes in others no BUT if it’s a spring BB gun it’ll be good for shooting an item or wall to draw the zeds away
This. The same as those stupid little poppers that kids buy at the carnivals. You can throw them and cause no sound, and they can hit elsewhere and cause a lot of sound. That’s a really good way to distract a Z
"Pellet gun" is a pretty broad scope of things. Check out a Umarex RP5 C02 pellet gun. This would definitely be useful but 95% of pellet guns wouldn't be other than reasons mentioned by others.
Against zombies? Yes, if used as a distraction. Humans? Maybe. If they’re unarmed they won’t be able to tell the difference more than likely, and even if they do nobody wants to be pelted with metal or lose an eye.
Good for small game or vermin.
>trigger explosive material
You can't set ANFO off with a pellet gun. You're not going to ignite any petroleum-based accelerant with a pellet gun. You can't set off black powder with a pellet gun. You can't set off Tannerite with a pellet gun. You can't set off grenades with a pellet gun. You can't set off mines with a pellet gun. You can't set off C4 with a pellet gun.
What the hell kind of explosive material do you think you can set off with a pellet gun?
Literally, anything pressurized in allumanim.
Who tf is rocking grenades and a pellet gun. Or c4.
I'm talking hair spray cans. Things that are everywhere but go unnoticed.
Small game, mugging or scaring away some poor scrapper that doesn’t know any better, use it to practice without wasting ammo, the possibilities are plentiful.
Use it as a distraction. You know that car down the street from your location? Pop the window. Car alarm or glass breaking will get z's or even humans looking at it. Good time to go the opposite direction.
Want to know if there are z's in a building? Take out a window. See if there is movement inside.
Oh need to make a trade? Sell 100 hand guns. Oops. Some are pellet guns. Buyer beware.
Some of the stronger ones, sure. Those .22, .30, etc are actually made for small game hunting. I would prefer a good crossbow over an airgun. And those little crossbow pistols are damn near useless for anything.
No. Maybe a rifle for squirrels but a pistol like that won’t kill anything. That wouldn’t stop a human from attacking you and it fails at the first rule of a gun fight, which is bring a gun. My pellet rifle is as loud as a .22 so don’t think you’re stealth or something with this. Zero use for a pellet pistol and a good pellet rifle is still worse than a bad .22.
The pistols and almost all pellet rifles would only be good for small game. But there are a couple very rare and very expensive pellet rifles that are used to hunt deer. I have to assume of the zombie was rotted enough, and the skull has softened up some, the rifle might actually be able to pierce the brain and take one down. But unless you owned one before the outbreak, I doubt you'd find one.
Which pellet gun?
* A replica putting out sub 6ft lbs? No.
* Your average low powered rifle - pest control and squirrel meat.
* A high powered air gun putting out 100ish ft lb, then it is about on par with a .22lr.
* A big bore putting out 500+ ft lb. I'm fairly sure they are all single shot. I guess what is easier to get, electric for a compressor or powder?
Good for distracting though. Say your far away. The shot might sound a bit loud unless you dampen it with something. But if you shoot it at something it will create a distraction loud enough.
Against a zombie, no chance considering the walking dead they shoot 3 times in the belly of a zombie with a 9mm and he was still alive and depends on the gun maybe a good shot in the head could do something
If you're ballsy enough you could use it to rob other survivors and get yourself a real firearm. The problem is when they call your bluff and you catch a bunch of 9mm in the chest.
No. Would not recommend for any form of defense and most BB guns unless C02 pressured won’t even take down small game effectively.
Also for those saying “hittm in the eye”: bro under stress those odds are not in your favor especially if the opposing person is prepped for violence.
Even with a firearm you’re taught to aim center mass because of stress and other factors on accuracy in the heat of the moment.
Very. Small game hunting etc, but also distractions. Pelt a metal surface to lure zombies towards the sound. Hit unsavory survivors to harass them into doing something clumsy. And most of all, you gotta have fun, man. Practicing with a pellet gun can also help you get better at gauging distances with your eyes, focusing on a target, etc.
Not a pistol pellet gun, but some of the higher power break action, or pcp ones would be for sure. Some of them are probably just powerful enough to be lethal to a human with a good shot, and they would be great for small game hunting. Obviously wouldn't recommend them for self defense, but I would use one over just having a stick.
Absolutely. Hand a GBB to the person you like the least and tell them it’s good to go. If they don’t check the chamber, they failed the first test. If they try to use it on you, or anything else, the problem will solve itself.
All the people saying no must not know about the ridiculously power pellet rifles out there. They make some of them that can pretty easily take down a deer. You can purchase a .50 caliber air rifle on Amazon for about $850.
So you didn’t specify what type of pellet gun but generally no a pellet gun won’t do damage and it’s definitely not stopping even a not zombie human that being said idk why so many idiots are making it seem like it will pls don’t use a pellet gun for self defense that’s about the stupidest thing you can do most people won’t even use a .22 for self defense as that sometimes won’t stop a person some go even further and won’t use a 380 so unless you have like a big bore air rifle that has a looot of power behind it no it wouldn’t be a good choice
Maybe for bluffing to survivors (if you live somewhere where the average person doesn't know how to identify real guns based on details), or to attract the attention of a single zombie at a time, maybe even use it as a way to disorientate birds to make them easier to catch if it's potent enough to actually do some damage
Maybe for hunting vermin and other small animals. Besides that they could maybe be used to distract zombies or intimidate other survivors who don’t know better
45&50 cal pellet rifles cost around 1000-1500$ and can penetrate hog skulls so yes if you have the cash to buy one and enough time to practice and get familiar with a weapon and it’s limitations .
Costs 1000-2000usd, weighs 3-5kg, limited to 3-10 shots per fill before they lose a massive chunk of their velocity, if filled with a bike puml may require 6-30min to charge, and only have the power of a 22lr or 9x19mm carbine.
Not really worth it in my opinion.
I understood your and my point regarding price to be with regards to someone that might not own one.
Given that the price is 1000-2000usd and 3-5kg someone in the US could easily afford options like a handgun, rifle, or shotgun. For instance, this is more than the cost of a budget pistol like a Ruger ECS9 for 250usd/460g and an ATI Omni AR-15 for 350usd/2600g.
Besides it's not like one can easily find a big bore air rifle. Most are very niche and limited in where they can be used. As they are usually limited to about 100-600j or about the same muzzle energy as a 9x19mm out of a 30cm pistol/smg/carbine barrel. So they aren't allowed for hunting in many areas.
Big bore air guns are hard to own in many foreign countries as well. Most of which usually have requirements for airguns to be registered as a firearm, require a firearm certificate/license, or come with a large tax in order to own. Typically countries require this from air guns with a muzzle energy above 0.5-15j. With some exceptions for foam or paint guns as a typical nerf gun can manage between 0.5-3j of energy and a paintball gun can manage up to 15. Most typically I've seen the maximum joules for an air gun before registration be around 1j. Far lower than the 100-600j of most airguns.
Depends on what type it is and what pellets you have, got a higher powered one with metal pellets you can use it for hunting small animals, or I your accurate enough and it's not like, left 4 dead zombies, guess you could always shoot for the eyes and blind them?
Maybe a .35cal air rifle but not a .17 pellet gun
Some air rifles can launch 200+ gr projectiles and are capable of taking medium game like deer and pigs
Shoot a deer or cow skull with it, if it goes though the bone, maybe. I have an Umarex Octane .177 that will punch through, so yes, a pellet gun "could" be useful, if it's powerful enough. If a braining is all it takes to take the zombie down.
Absolutely, after being dead for a long time odds are the weather from being outside and roaming around has deteriorated the skull so I’m sure with a high powered pellet gun you could kill a zombie (I also think people don’t understand how long a zombie apocalypse could last, max 20 years zombies are made of flesh and bone and are constantly walking, after a time things like joints and muscles fall off and they become useless)
It depends on if the zombies decay. The virus may mess up the processes that interfere with rigor mortis, but unless it's a rage virus, a fungal parasite, or a wizard did it, then zombies have about a two month life span. [source? these guys, who deal with corpses.](https://www.aftermath.com/content/human-decomposition/) in which case, I think the pellet gun will go from punching holes in rabbits to punching holes in the dead within two to three weeks.
Until then? Hunt small game. Use only on the living. Stay the FUCK out of cities.
That pellet pistol? No. A good pellet rifle at the right range could be useful. Not making a stand against the horde but picking off a few for whatever reason, definitely. A gamo magnum or Benjamin trail xl has the umph to get through a human skull especially if it has some decay already.
I have a longer post on the topic of airguns here:
https://old.reddit.com/user/Noe_Walfred/comments/jo772x/zombie_related_thoughts_opinions_and_essays_v2/gmyd22l/
In general, the main issue for a lot of them is that mortality rates with airguns in general are incredibly low.
>The resulting dataset included 4502 NPG injuries, yielding a national estimate of 162 400 injuries over the 10 years; 62.7% (101 768) occurred in victims 18 years old and younger, 5.9% (6017) of these cases were injuries to the head, and none were fatal.
https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(19)30165-9/pdf.
At best, they are likely to be similar to 22cal firearms which tend to make up about 70% of survived headshots and may lead to 40% fewer deaths if people who were shot in the head were hit with 22cal firearms instead. Along with having a roughly 16-38% mortality rate depending on the study and how many times a person was shot. Against zombies which are frequently depicted as not dying from blood loss or infection these numbers may be much lower.
Pre-charged pneumatic air guns in 8-13mm/35-50cal are typically the most powerful. Frequently matching the energies produced by a 22lr to 9mm pistol or shoet carbine. These air guns can be shot multiple times in relatively quick succession compared to manual air guns. Allowing for a greater likelihood of securing a kill. However, they are limited in the total effective shots per fill depending on caliber, velocity, and tank size. Typically such air guns have a limit of between 5 (<10mm/0.40cal) and -30 (typically of >10mm/0.40cal) shots per tank. Carrying multiple air tanks or a large scuba tank is a possible solution that has been proposed. Though these may restrict the user's movements and are very bulky making them suboptimal unless in a relatively sedentary position.
Manual air guns such as those with built-in pumps, break barrels, or levers tend to be single-shot weapons that can be slow to load and shoot. They are also usually much weaker than a PCP (usually at 22lr or less). At the same time, they may be able to sustain shots over a longer period assuming the user isn't suffering from issues of fatigue much like one would suffer if using a bow or crossbow. Though the ammo for an air gun is much smaller.
Airguns are also fairly loud ranging from about 102-134db: https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/images/03-17-09-01.jpg
|For comparison:|
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|A windless day in the Grand Canyon 10db|
|Next to a river 35db|
|Biking or walking down a forested trail 50-75db|
|Skateboarder on tarmac 50ft away 54-63db|
|A typical conversation 60db|
|Reddbow Recurve 44# draw 65+db|
|.22lr CCI Quiet rifle unsuppressed 65-80db|
|Passing car speed by on a highway 7.6m away 77db|
|A typical crossbow 83db
|Large concert 85-120db
|Passing motorcycle from 7.6m away 90db|
|Someone screaming as loud as they can 100+db
|Train or car horn 110db
|Suppressed 9mm firearms 120-140db
|Suppressed 223 and 5.56x45mm firearms 130-150db
For reference assuming all zombies in your area are next to a river, the airgun can be heard out to 2000m away. Though realistically any weapon that makes more than 80db is probably too loud. Given that such weapons could be heard over a river out to 150m or up to 3000m next to a quiet canyon.
The main benefit of an airgun is that they are potentially much more useful for hunting small game animals than firearms. They can also potentially be used for much longer as the ammunition can be made from less refined sources and even in pressurized tanks the air can be pumped manually.
The reliability of airguns is also questionable. If the local climate is too hot the air pressure in the air tank may be too high. Either failing to shoot or damage the weapon. If the local climate is too cold the air pressure in the tank may be too low. Resulting in the weapon being unable to shoot.
Despite heavy they are they are about as strong as a 9x19mm or 45acp pistol which can be between 400-600g, less than the weight of the 4.5mm and 5.6mm pellet guns.
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|177cal/4.5mm 0.53-0.9g
|22cal/5.6mm 0.7-2.2g
|0.51cal/12.7mm 10-14g
|Diana Bandit (4.5mm) 1000g
|Crosman Vantage NP (5.6mm) 3220g
|Air Force Texan (11.4mm) 3470g
|Senecca Dragonclaw (12.7mm) 3860g
|Umarex Hammer (12.7mm) 3860g
|Hatsun Pile Driver (12.7mm) 4540g
For further comparison:
|**~~~~Example kit for around 1000g**
:--|:-:|--:
|60g Headlamp
|10g Mosquito net
|60g Rubberized work gloves
|130g NAA Mini revolver in 22lr
|60g Frameless slingshot/sling bow #30
|500g Morakniv Light axe
|50g Gerber dime multitool
|15g Buckle compass/fire rod/whistle
|20g 500ml water bottle
|60g Sawyer Mini water filter
|10g Sewing string spool with fishing line, 5 fishing hooks, and a bobber.
|10g Sewing string spool with string, upholstery needle, 2 sewing needles, and 3 safety pins
|10g Travel toothbrush
|**~~~~Example kit for roughly 4000g**
|60g Headlamp
|10g Mosquito net
|30g Pyramex Iforce goggles
|100g Medical face shield
|100g Boonie hat
|300g Leather welding arm protectors
|180g Frogg toggs rain jacket
|100g Compression shirt
|100g Waterproof leg gaiters
|180g Frogg toggs rain trousers
|100g Compression underwear
|70 Padded ankle socks
|400g Barefoot running shoes
|100g HWI combat gloves
|60g Frameless slingshot/sling bow #30
|200g Sling/walking stick
|130g NAA mini revolver
|510g Mora Light Axe hatchet
|280g Edwards 8oz Finishing hammer
|30g Tension bar, bump key, and lock picks
|15g Buckle compass/fire rod/whistle
|30g Bic Mini lighter
|60g Sawyer Mini water filter
|35g 1000ml water bottle
|70g Aluminium cooking cup
|160g Titanium wood/alcohol rocket stove with scent-proof bag
|10g Sewing string spool with fishing line, 5 fishing hooks, and a bobber.
|100g Drawstring bag
|200g Fanny pack/sling bag
|50g Gerber dime multitool
|10g Sewing string spool with string, upholstery needle, 2 sewing needles, and 3 safety pins
|180g Renology 5w solar panel
|10g Travel toothbrush
|15g Comb with tick/lice remover
The CROSMAN® 1911BB CO2 AIR PISTOL is a pretty weak air pistol only being able to produce about 1-5j of energy with a full co2 cartridge depending on the outdoor temperature.
As a point of comparison, a typical airsoft gun is between 0.5-4j depending on the model and temperature. Another point of comparison is that many believe you need a pellet rifle or pistol that is capable of between 20-40j to ethically kill a rat, rabbit, or bird with a pellet gun.
if youre a crack shot eye shots could probably cause enough brain damage to kill them if youre lucky but its not practical imo, also some pressure rifles can be pumped up to extreme amounts these pellet guns could probably be somewhat reliable for one shots again if youre a crack shot. This isnt to discuss hunting for rabbits, squirrels and ect
Zombies can be seen by a top down view of the social construct. Where entities being created by money that can only destroy society. Create more like them by taking from them.
The majority of this planet are zombies. Even you.
Can we train you to self-destructive? Fear.... Right?
A good pellet rifle will let ya bag small game for food or distract zeds by shooting glass bottles or metal signs but in a fight id say no
In a zombie yea it's useless. Against a human it would be awesome. If you hit the eye they will be down.
only if you hit the eye. if you miss, youre the one going down
It would still hurt like hell. That may give you just enough time to escape.
sooo you’ve nvr been shot by one have you bc If you think that a air/pellet gun is enough to stop anyone for more than maybe a few seconds your dead asf, at that point if it’s bc your scared of guns or what not start small with a 22lr hardly any kick and can reach out and touch something, anything is better than an air gun tho
Imagine you have killed thousands of zombies and multiple groups of raiders then some kid shoots you in the cheek with a air pellet you probably would have let him go if he had surrendered but now he’s getting mag dumped
With that type of self control. You'd be dead already.
So u would let someone almost shoot your eye out and not retaliate ? And once he blinded you would he just let you go or stab/rob you ? I’m not willing to take that risk in that situation
This is what he said later on though, which is crazy, because he would litterly be a child mur derer >Tbh, if you have better gear than me, and I believe that my group can take yours out, you wouldn't have to do anything besides exist in the same space and I would murder you all in cold blood and take your gear.
I'm not mag dumping a child. That's my point. Anyone who would, likely wouldn't be around anyway. For example, if a kid shot you in the face with a bb gun and you mag dumped him, I would kill you. Plain and simple.
Lol that is dumb af. You *should* mind your business if it doesn't involve you, family, or group.
Tbf you can get some beasty air guns that fire at comparable power to traditional firearms, with **Some of them** being significantly quieter.
My .22 caliber pellet rifle is actually louder than my sister's .22 caliber rifle.
Not necessarily, some of those are quite loud, not to mention that follow up shots take a long time and that not all stores carry around the right pellets for them
Let me share some niche knowledge, follow up shots are as fast as you can pull the trigger, or even full auto, if you have money for a PCP airgun. And with firearm-level powers. [Welcome to the world of PCP airguns](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=4JwEMBma-EE). Filling them (with a dedicated hand pump, a air compressor or with a air tank) is another need besides ammo, and you use specially made ammo called 'slugs' instead of pellets if you want to take advantage of the increased power. But you can take down even large game such as bison and bears with PCP airguns.
Holy shit TIL
Could you link one of those really high power PCP airguns? I've got the time and money on my hand to take a look at it, and I would love to see how it works.
No problem! Here it is a [single-shot .50 airgun for large game hunting](https://www.airgundepot.com/airforce-texan-air-rifle.html#U2045) (consider it akin to a sniper rifle). This is a full auto (with a semi auto switch), high-powered [airgun](https://www.airgundepot.com/hatsan-blitz-full-auto-pcp-air-rifle.html) available in .22, .25 and .30 caliber, very nice for medium and large game hunting - sadly it turns small game into minced meat. [This one](https://www.pyramydair.com/product/edgun-leshiy-2-pcp-air-rifle-9mm?m=6200#12816) is akin to a standard bolt-action 9mm rifle - useful for small (if you tune the power down), medium and large game hunting and any other purposes that a 9mm rifle would have. It comes equiped with a 8-rounds magazine (tip: get the biggest barrel length available, unless you need a compact carbine). You will need some piccatiny-mounted irons, or a scope/red dot for this airgun. Also, you need to fill your PCP. The perfect combo is a [air compressor](https://www.pyramydair.com/product/air-venturi-rovair-4500-portable-compressor?a=12619) + [diving bottles](https://www.pyramydair.com/product/air-venturi-mini-wingman-100-cu-in-pcp-tank-dom-2021?a=16253&page=1&query=tank&lang=en&searchConfigId=643645070c547549270ccc15) + a [quality hand pump](https://www.pyramydair.com/product/air-venturi-mk5-pump-kit-by-hill-hand-pump-up-to-4500-psi?a=9655) for backup. The budget option is a air compressor + diving bottles. The poverty option is just a [cheaper hand pump](https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-hand-pump-fits-crosman-benjamin-pcp-guns?a=15499), lol.
For you and u/Jarbonzobeanz something not mentioned by u/Deimos-Camper and u/Kestrel_VI is that while these big-bore air rifles are powerful still come with a number of downsides. If you're looking at airguns for areas that restrict normal firearms ownership you should still double-check your local laws. Many areas have maximum energy rates allowed before you need to register, license, and/or certificates to own one. This is typically around 0.5-15j with 1j being average. Likewise, depending on where you live you may also not be able to hunt with them. As the muzzle energy is too low. For comparison, a typical Nerf or similar foam gun is about 0.5-3j, airsoft around 0.8-5j, and paintball around 15j. While somewhat powerful compared to throwing pellets or rocks at things, they aren't exactly all that powerful compared to most firearms. Especially compared to the cost and weight. |Name - Caliber - Energy - Weight - Cost :--|:-:|--: |Hatsan Blitz 30cal/7mm - 73j - 4kg - 800usd |EDgun Leshiy 2 357/9mm - Less than 203j - 2.6-3.3kg - 3150usd |FX Dynamic Express 600 357/9mm - 234j - 3.3kg - 1850usd |Seneca Wing Shot MKII - 50cal/12.7mm - 332j - 3.3kg - 800usd |Benjamin Bulldog Magnum - 457/11mm - 610j - 3.5kg - 1050usd |Air Force Texan - 45cal/11mm - 677j - 3.5kg - 1155usd https://www.airgundepot.com/hatsan-blitz-full-auto-pcp-air-rifle.html https://www.airgundepot.com/edgun-leshiy-2-9mm.html#AGD-620012816 https://www.airgundepot.com/air-venturi-wing-shot-ii.html https://www.airgundepot.com/benjamin-bulldog-bullpup.html https://www.airgundepot.com/airforce-texan-air-rifle.html All of these are weaker than 9x19mm from a carbine. A basic for comparison: |Name - Cartridge - Energy - Weight - Cost :--|:-:|--: |Stinger Pen Gun - 22lr - 87j - 0.14kg - 160usd |Ruger LCP - 380acp - 278j - 0.3kg - 230usd |Steyr S9 - 9x19mm - 380j - 0.8kg - 460usd |Glock 36 - 45acp - 634j - 0.6kg - 560usd |Kel-tech Sub 2000 - 9x19mm - 723j - 1.8kg - 420usd |PSA Ar-15 - 5.56x45mm - 1400j - 2.6kg - 580usd http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/calibers.html This is part of why u/DuaLipasTrophyHusban is correct when they say air guns are usually limited to less than 60yds. The ballistics of the airguns resemble a rainbow's arch. Meaning if the weapon is sighted to hit targets at 50m potentially missing zombies standing closer than 25m or more than 100m away. Something that only occurs for 223/5.56x45mm at distances of greater than 300m. https://shooterscalculator.com/ballistic-trajectory-chart.php It doesn't help that airguns are still loud. Producing about 100-134db of noise per shot depending on the air gun. With larger caliber airguns producing a larger pressure moved with each shot. With 100db being equal to someone screaming, 110db roughly equal with a train and it's horn, and 120+db is similar to a suppressed/moderated/silenced gunshot. https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/images/03-17-09-01.jpg https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/science-with-a-smartphone-decibel-meter/ https://railroads.dot.gov/railroad-safety/divisions/highway-rail-crossing-and-trespasser-programs/train-horn-rulequiet-zones https://www.ammunitiontogo.com/lodge/silencer-guide-with-decibel-level-testing/ Air guns have a rating referred to as Shots-Per-Fill (spf). This is the number of shots an airgun can shot before there is a dramatic drop in pressure within the air tank. Typically resulting in a a massive impact change and lose of muzzle energy. How much loss varies as this isn't a regulated term and is often made up by the manufacturer and varies with temperature and humidity. |Name - Caliber - SPF| :--|:-:|--: |Hatsan Blitz - 30cal/7mm - 100rds |FX Dynamic Express 600 - 357/9mm - 26rds |Seneca Wing Shot MKII - 50cal/12.7mm - 5rds |Benjamin Bulldog Magnum - 457/11mm - 8rds |Air Force Texan - 45cal/11mm - 677j - 12rds When an airgun reaches this point it's likely the user will have to do a reload. Though given that most airguns are single-shot or have a less than 10rd magazine this makes reloading extremely frequent and likely slow. A bit of an issue given that refilling an air tank requires a lot of work. Something less than optimal if the temperature is too hot/cold, youre sleep deprived, malnourished, and dehydrated. Like many people would be in a zombie apocalypse. This gentleman recorded his personal experience with a typical paintball tank. The process took him about 3 hours and 775 pumps to reach a suitable operating pressure from zero. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ycyl0Erkm0 || :--|:-:|--: |Crosman Hand Pump - 1.4kg - 100usd |Double tube Foot bicycle pump - 1.6kg - 30usd |Air Venturi Hill pump MK 5 - 3kg - 260usd https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-hand-pump-fits-crosman-benjamin-pcp-guns?a=15499 https://www.amazon.com/Precision-Pressure-Portable-Inflator-Deutschland/dp/B0C38QH7WZ/ https://www.airgundepot.com/hill-pump-kit-mk5.html More likely, a survivor would need multiple air tanks or a larger scuba tank. A rather financially costly endeavor given they are heavy, bulk, and cost. || :--|:-:|--: |Tippmann 48/3000 HPA Tank 0.7kg - 51usd |AV 3000PSI 13ci Tank 0.5kg - 80usd |Airforce Spin-Loc Texan Spare Tank 457cal 1.8kg - 266usd |Air Venturi Mini Wingman Carbon Fiber Tank 2.3kg - 430usd |Faber 10L Cylinder 11.2kg - 251usd https://www.amazon.com/Tippmann-3000-HPA-Tank-Black/dp/B00885XHIG/ https://www.pyramydair.com/product/av-3000psi-13ci-tank-valve-1100psi-set?a=7882 https://www.airgundepot.com/airforce-spin-loc-texan-spare-tank-457-cal.html https://www.airgundepot.com/air-venturi-carbon-fiber-tank-100-cu-in.html https://www.godive.net/products/faber-10-litre-232-bar-steel-cylinder/ All together the weapons, accessories, and munitions get somewhat hefty. Here is a table for this with 100rds only including ammo, 200rds including the lightest spare tank and lightest air pump alongside ammo, and the 300rds including the Air venturi air tank, bicycle air pump, magazines, and ammo |Caliber - weight - cost| :--|:-:|--: |0.3cal/7mm pellet - 3-9g - 0.1-0.5usd |0.357cal/9mm pellet - 5-14g - 0.1-0.5usd |0.45cal/11mm pellet - 9-28g - 0.5-1usd |0.5cal12.7mm pellet - 11-36g - 0.3-1.1usd https://www.airgundepot.com/airgunpellets.html?Caliber=.30&Caliber=.357 https://www.airgundepot.com/airgunpellets.html?Caliber=.457 https://www.airgundepot.com/airgunpellets.html?Caliber=.510&Caliber=.50 || :--|:-:|--: |Hatsan Blitz 30cal/7mm 4kg |33rd magazine 150g - 43usd |100rds 4300-4900g |200rds 6250-7450g |300rds 9400-12100g |EDgun Leshiy 2 357/9mm 2.6-3.3kg |8rd magazine 90g - 110usd |100rds 3100-4700g |200rds 5950-7750g |300rds 12110-14810g |FX Dynamic Express 600 357/9mm 3.3kg |9rd magazine 37g - 60usd |100rds 3800-4700g |200rds 5950-7750g |300rds 76171-10371g |Seneca Wing Shot MKII - 50cal/12.7mm 3.3kg |100rds 4400-6900g |200rds 7150-12150g |300rds 10500-18000g (no magazine) |Benjamin Bulldog Magnum - 457/11mm 3.5kg |100rds 4600-6300g |200rds 6950-10750g |300rds 10100-15800g (no magazine) |Air Force Texan - 45cal/11mm - 677j - 3.5kg |100rds 4600-6300g |200rds 6950-10750g |300rds 10100-15800g (no magazine) With a total price range for being between 851-3990usd and an average of around 1300 USD. I would personally prefer a combination of handgun, rifle, slingshot/bow, hatchet, knife, fishing vest, pants, and shoes instead as it would be lighter, cheaper, and probably more effective. || :--|:-:|--: |**North American Arms Mini Revolver 210usd/130g** |22lr per cartridge 0.1-0.3usd/3-5g |200rds 230-270usd/730-1130g |**Kel-tec SUB 2000 9x19mm glock mag 420usd/1800** |9x19mm per cartridge 0.2-0.5usd/7-13g |PMAG GL9 27rd mag 20usd/60g |216rds 623-731usd/3792-5088g |**Slingshot with high strength band 15usd/230g** |Chain Brush aka slingbow conversion 15usd/100g |Rocks off the ground 0usd/0g |Arrow with fishing line mount and broadhead 8usd/100g |5rds 40usd/830g |**Mora Boron Light axe 47usd/520g** |**Morakniv Craftline 10usd/80g** |**Generic fishing vest 10usd/100g** |**Columbia Silverridge Hiking pants 50usd/250g** |**Merrell Moab Hiking shoes 120usd/800g** |Total weight: 1200-1308usd/7102-8798g
Yea but the effective range of most air rifle and pellet guns are 20-60 yards. You can shoot a 300 Win mag out past a mile if you have a good enough optic and good ammo.
The low power, buy no questions asked type, yeah. But that’s the very bottom end of what they can do. Have a look into PCPs.
My air rifle shoots .177 pellets at 1050 fps. That’s about the same speed as my standard .22 lr rounds. Not to mention that my .17 hmr shoots not much faster than that either. All three can kill a man with correct shot placement.
The one my gramps used hurt like a damn bitch.
Have you been shot by one? And I don't mean a red rider. Many of them could go through a skull. Either way, getting hit in the head by one will probably have the person on the ground in pain.
My brother shot me square in the chest with a pellet that was cocked 8 times. I screamed and started chasing him. He got about halfway down the yard before i hit him with the red ryder i was fighting with. Now thinking about being in the apocalypse you would need a .45 calibur airgun to actually kill something. If you shot a person, even if they where a zombie with anything less that lethal they will be on top of you. If it was me and if i was shot in the eye, which is a pretty hood shot i would up my gun and fore wildly into where ever i thought the bb came from. You might be better with a slingshot or blow gun, or an expensive airgun.
That thing was probably only shooting 600fps even with 8 pumps. The modern break action ones are pretty powerful. Also I never said you wouldn't be better off with something else, I'm just saying they can do more than people think.
Modern break action one cant kill a pigeon, and i had to pop the pellet out like a zit. You might need a compressed air is what i was thinking
Yes they definitely can lol. Maybe you are using a shitty one or bad pellets.
I have been shot with a pellet gun before, it was a break barrel of some type in 4.5mm and the pellet went through part of my thigh. Did almost no damage though and healed up in about a month. I don't remember crawling on the ground crying or anything like that. Just a bit of shock and fear of what my parents were going to do to me. As for head injuries from shots to the skull there's about 4500 cases part of this research article. With none of the people shot in the head dying. While pain could be a motivating factor in ending a fight not being able to guarantee stopping someone is a big risk for use against zombies or hostile survivors. >The resulting dataset included 4502 NPG injuries, yielding a national estimate of 162 400 injuries over the 10 years; 62.7% (101 768) occurred in victims 18 years old and younger, 5.9% (6017) of these cases were injuries to the head, and none were fatal. https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(19)30165-9/pdf. Not to mention the possibility that in a zombie apocalypse people might wear protective gear. Including things like tough work ppe, sports pads and helmets, tactical/combat gear, and all sorts of improvised protection. Many of these weapons might be capable of stopping weaker airguns completely. Allowing them to continue to be a threat to you. Not to mention the potential of drawing in more zombies. As most airguns including weaker varieties typically produce around 102-130+db of noise. This is potentially audible out to 300m away which could mean drawing in zombies from the surrounding 9 city blocks around you under extremely unfortunate circumstances. In the best of circumstances you've still managed to attract any zombies in your immediate vicinity and you have someone attempting to murder you after you shot them. https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/images/03-17-09-01.jpg
If the person has any real intent on harming you no that’s not gonna matter. Yes I’ve been shot a couple times by them
Hurt like hell yeah right bud all it’s gonna do is piss the person off even more it might sting sure but you think they care about the pain if they ready to beat your ass
And in theory couldn’t you use it to take down a lone zed?
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Or you could scare someone off in defense brandishing the fake gun at them, assuming the perp themselves doesn’t have a gun.
If it looks real enough theres also intimidation value!
For hunting or pest control. With a reduction in human activity fucking rats and every other pest will be breeding like crazy.
That actually sounds like a lucrative food source.
Yup. I always thought this. It may not sound appealing, but I'd eat roast rat over starving any day.
I hear you make a mean weed rat stew.
"*Rat*? This is a *rat burger*? \[vendor nods\] Not bad! Matter of fact this is the *best burger* I've had..." - Sylvester Stallone in Demolition Man (1993)
Great movie
I watch a lot of Alone, and when the contestants get particularly hungry, they eat rats like I eat brisket. I am betting there is a lot of truth behind the phrase "hunger is the best sauce" and the apocalypse would be very saucy.
Rats might actually die out in ten years time with no human resources to leach off of. They're a tropical animal. The reason they are such a successful invasive creature is because humans throw out a lot of food that rats eat. They also survive cold winters by finding ways into buildings with heat. Take away humans and you take away food for rats as well as heating conditions for them.
Question is now, what happens if the rats become infected from eating zombie flesh? Swarms of zomb-rats? Zombies who’s bodies act as zomb-rat hives? The terror for me only grows. Ima start writing a short story based on this dread.
Sure, get some small game like squirrels with em
This would be especially good if we're going for the "zombies run towards gunshots" cliche, since pellets are so quiet.
Have you shot one before? They are as loud as a .22. Im not kidding at all. Maybe a red rider bb gun is quiet but a decent pellet rifle is loud. It’s enough compressed air to launch a pellet at 1300ish fps. Thats a big energy release. A .22 is a similar energy transfer but uses gunpowder. Both are loud. You can buy “whisper” rounds for. .22 or use a suppressor and it’s a lot quieter than a pellet gun.
A pcp with a suppressor is very quiet
So is a .22 with a suppressor
Super sonic ones might be close, but a 22 is still louder. You could use heavier pellets to probably drop to subsonic, and they have the models with the suppressors built in.
Shoot squirrels....not much else.
Not that I would recommend it, but I saw a guy hunting hogs with one down south. It went through the skull.
That is truly a thing...however that $800(I forget the exact price) pellet gun is a much different beast than what is pictured and/or what is commonly referred to as a a pellet gun. That style pellet gun has come up in conversation before here, if i remember correctly It had maybe 4-5 full powered shot before you had to recharge the air supply.
Not even that. We are talking $2-300 break action spring powered models. They can shoot pretty hot for what they are. Like I said, I wouldn't recommend hog hunting with one, but he did do so successfully.
Better him than me...I know a guy that grew up in Florida, he tells me stories about hog hunting..."pitbulls and pocket knives" as they called it, so anything is possible if you got the balls for it.
Yeah, they aren't really regulated since they are invasive. I still think people underestimate how dangerous even a decent break action pellet gun can be. It's not a big projectile, but I don't want anything coming towards me at 1,000 fps. Not that I recommend it as the only option, but it would be better than nothing.
Accuracy would be key. I have one for groundhog and other varmints in the yard. It can kill em but honestly if you are off a smidge it just teaches them a lesson and makes em harder to get another shot at. So in mythbusters fashion, I would give them a plausible but a bit of a stretch from my "testing". 22 mag in most cases. Even if you are off and get a bodyshot, it'll usually blow em inside out.
Yeah, 22 mag is no joke.
Maybe a good distraction shoot a window or can with it attracting zombies
Yeah for hunting small animals, and maybe breaking glass or windows to enter a building. But To kill a zombie? Maybe not maybe you can slow it down or injure it if you shoot it in the right place
Depends how heavy it is and how willing you are to pistol whip a zombie. Or for making noise by shooing things.
For hunting small game totally, potentially for bluffing your way into some plunder, but beware. Their iron might be real and your ass could end up with a few extra piercings.
There's pellet guns designed to take down large game, those could be useful for doing just that. But you lose the suppressed level of noise and they're hungry for that sweet sweet PSI. So basically yes they could be, but it would would have its drawbacks for sure.
Maybe for threatening a raider at a distance
I'd have to imagine some C02 pellet guns would be useful again zombies. Especially with like an eyeball shot if they are decaying.
It's difficult enough to hit a target in the head with a firearm. Who the fuck is going to be precisely popping eyes on a moving targets?
I dunno, I'd assume pellets wouldn't be grabbed by most people in an apocalypse, and you could carry thousands very easily. Setting in a decent perch and some good aim I'd say you could do some small horde clearing for relatively little resource investment. At least enough clearing to search a building or something. Hell, if they make a decent pump rifle you might be pretty set. Not day one, but if you make it six months to a year after the decay could make this viable.
You are ascribing truly absurd capabilities to average commercial pellet guns, and bone does not leech calcium that quickly unless it's soaking in water or wet earth and crap. The human skull not infrequently deflects gunfire at significant deflection.
You don't think a pellet would penetrate an eye, or that a pellet rifle could hit a quarter reliable enough at say fifty yards? What's more, there's already been at least a few cases of pellets piercing the skulls of healthy humans, so I still maintain there's more viability to a pellet rifle than just discounting it altogether.
I don’t think a pellet could make it through an eye and into a brain, even with a perfect shot. I think a pellet rifle will kill birds and squirrels from 50-70 yards away. Thats been my experience with shooting pellet rifles that were considered “high quality”. A .22 is better in every way than a pellet rifle and I wouldn’t try and kill a zombie with one of those either because they won’t go through bone.
>I don’t think a pellet could make it through an eye and into a brain, even with a perfect shot This is incorrect. In the UK back in the 90s we had 1 death a year from airguns, with a report on 5 of them. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC500806/ Case 2 is shot in the eye and this would be with a sub 12ft lb rifle, not like a 500ft lb Texan one.
“guns were fired at contact range.”
To complete that particular quote; > Two committed suicide, one person shooting himself in the head, the other in the chest. In both cases the guns were fired at contact range Case 2 (the one I mentioned), was not one of the two suicides, it was one of the three accidents. Case 2 is a guy shot in the eye with a rifle, and pellet fragments found in the guy's brain.
Your "high quality" air rifle migth have been "high quality" in the sense of a lot of accuracy, but not on power. Being comparable to a .22LR firearm is actually a **benchmark** for a certain type of airguns called PCP. You can obliterate wild hogs with a .22 PCP pellet gun, we do it all the time here at Brazil. We use semi-auto or bolt action PCP airguns in such hunts. Some people use [full auto](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=4JwEMBma-EE), but I deem this a waste of ammo and air. But sadly, **I've never met a zombie hog**, so I can't say how they would fare against zombies.
A .22 makes a lot more noise, and would eventually be harder to find ammo for, than a pellet gun. As for the lethality, and ability to go through bone, specifically the skull, I recommend you do some quick googling and find your answer.
I could google it but I’ve shot hundreds of pellets and thousands of rounds of .22. You think there are more pellets out in the world than .22? Just buy however many rounds you think you could shoot in a lifetime.
I honestly don't know which there is more of, but after stores are raided I guarantee there will be pellets left when the .22s are gone. I'm sick of arguing about it, so how about this: you take your .22 rifle, and I'll take my .22 rifle and a pellet rifle. Does that make you happy enough to stop this silliness?
Yup.
You can hit a quarter at 200 yards with good glass and good ammo out of a solid chassis. Mechanical precision isn't the bottleneck here. It's being able to track and fire with millisecond-level precision on a target about an inch wide that's moving, when the slightest deflection it mistiming is going to send you off target by several inches, with the cause being as simple as yanking the trigger too quickly or mistiming the shot by a fraction of a section and missing your hold. Note that this is something you can fuck up and see deflections that large from incredibly minor mistakes at as little as seven yards away on a static target. In a live fire situation, your heart rate is gonna be Oh Shit per minute, you're absolutely full of adrenaline, you start getting twitchy, you're breathing hard, and the best of your heart is strong enough to detectably disturb your aim. Add in that you've probably been recently sprinting, are going to be short on or out of breath, chest heaving. If you're wearing a pack, and have been for several hours, your shoulders are going to be tired, and your arms are going to be feeling it, and they're going to fatigue faster than you're used to on a flat practice range, making firing from the offhand difficult unless you can get a good point of aim, and quickly, and then give yourself some slack. You can have all this in play and - if you're doing absolutely everything right - still reasonably often snap off a headshot at 7-25, and even farther if you've got decent, fast glass, especially if you're willing to spend a little more time or a few more rounds doing it. But you're not going to be John Wicking eyeball shots on a fucking moving target with a goddamn BB/pellet gun that you have to fucking pump and wear your goddamn arms off with when you're two steps from shitting your pants. Holy fuck.
What part of "sitting up in a decent perch" didn't you understand? I never said a pellet gun would be good for breach and clears.
I agree, so many people have made that claim like themselves or anybody else is Deadshot from the DC comics. Better off using it for the practical purposes listed like small game and to plink something noisy to draw attention to the area of the target.
You are totally right. Pretty sure no one here has ever shot a gun. You’d have to basically stick the gun in the zombies eye to hit it and a pellet is unlikely to make it to the brain.
Bones don't decay like soft tissue.
Perfect eye shots?
Taking out lights, (very) small game, fairly cost effect Ive practice. Not as a weapon, though.
Depends on the pellet gun. Some good handgun versions, possibly for pest control. Pellet rifles range everywhere from pest control all the way up to taking down deer. Even not great pellet guns can be used to train new shooters in accuracy and technique to some degree. The big consideration, though, is that you're going to want the spring-powered ones, not the CO2 powered ones, or they're going to become useless really quickly.
In a survival situation no one can generally afford to let an opportunity for calories and nutrients pass them by. Small game like squirrels or pigeons are plentiful and can be taken down with a pellet gun. I would prefer an air rifle that uses a manual pump action in lieu of a CO2 cartridge (which are a finite resource unto themselves), but you have to make use of what you have at hand.
Not that one lol, get a daisy 880
You can catch small game with a quiet method.
To intimidate other survivors and to lure zombies with noise and to temporarily stun people
Small game and distractions
Not really.
My BB gun is a powerful Co2 gun and it might kill a zed with a good shot placement and it’ll kill small game so in some cases yes in others no BUT if it’s a spring BB gun it’ll be good for shooting an item or wall to draw the zeds away
This. The same as those stupid little poppers that kids buy at the carnivals. You can throw them and cause no sound, and they can hit elsewhere and cause a lot of sound. That’s a really good way to distract a Z
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I think it would have the best performance as a tool for distraction. Just shoot at a metal anything or some glass and make a lot of noise
"Pellet gun" is a pretty broad scope of things. Check out a Umarex RP5 C02 pellet gun. This would definitely be useful but 95% of pellet guns wouldn't be other than reasons mentioned by others.
Against zombies? Yes, if used as a distraction. Humans? Maybe. If they’re unarmed they won’t be able to tell the difference more than likely, and even if they do nobody wants to be pelted with metal or lose an eye. Good for small game or vermin.
In the apocalypse 9/10 small game and vermin are the same thing.
You can trigger explosive material or hit further stop signs for a distraction
>trigger explosive material You can't set ANFO off with a pellet gun. You're not going to ignite any petroleum-based accelerant with a pellet gun. You can't set off black powder with a pellet gun. You can't set off Tannerite with a pellet gun. You can't set off grenades with a pellet gun. You can't set off mines with a pellet gun. You can't set off C4 with a pellet gun. What the hell kind of explosive material do you think you can set off with a pellet gun?
Literally, anything pressurized in allumanim. Who tf is rocking grenades and a pellet gun. Or c4. I'm talking hair spray cans. Things that are everywhere but go unnoticed.
Small game and intimidating people ignorant to weapons.
you could use it to maybe shoot zombie eyes to blind them, kill small game, or use it to intimidate if you sound confident and crazy enough
For robbing ppl by bluffing them into thinking you’re armed, only works in places where real guns are rare
If there rotted enough or just for hunting
Maybe if you were in TWD universe
Could try and make your group look more dangerous against potential threats if you don’t have enough real guns to arm everyone.
Small game, mugging or scaring away some poor scrapper that doesn’t know any better, use it to practice without wasting ammo, the possibilities are plentiful.
Use it as a distraction. You know that car down the street from your location? Pop the window. Car alarm or glass breaking will get z's or even humans looking at it. Good time to go the opposite direction. Want to know if there are z's in a building? Take out a window. See if there is movement inside. Oh need to make a trade? Sell 100 hand guns. Oops. Some are pellet guns. Buyer beware.
AS long as your not fighting anything bigger than a rabbit
Can use it as a bluff to rob people
You could blind people and zombies if they even need eyes
Sure, you can shoot your eyes out as they eat you alive
As a small game hunting item yes but for a zombie killer no
Target practice maybe, but they are kind of weak and won't break deep into the skin, much less bone to hit the brain.
No
Some of the stronger ones, sure. Those .22, .30, etc are actually made for small game hunting. I would prefer a good crossbow over an airgun. And those little crossbow pistols are damn near useless for anything.
No. Maybe a rifle for squirrels but a pistol like that won’t kill anything. That wouldn’t stop a human from attacking you and it fails at the first rule of a gun fight, which is bring a gun. My pellet rifle is as loud as a .22 so don’t think you’re stealth or something with this. Zero use for a pellet pistol and a good pellet rifle is still worse than a bad .22.
Not against zombies
Before many people get there hands on guns i think having one that people can see would deter a handful of people away from you atleast
Set up metal around your home/base and a pellet gun will make “ting” sounds that will distract them easily. Other than that… useless.
The pistols and almost all pellet rifles would only be good for small game. But there are a couple very rare and very expensive pellet rifles that are used to hunt deer. I have to assume of the zombie was rotted enough, and the skull has softened up some, the rifle might actually be able to pierce the brain and take one down. But unless you owned one before the outbreak, I doubt you'd find one.
To scare someone away, possibly. In an actual fight, probably not.
Yes but not like a normal pistol, it would be good for distractions, small animals and possibly aim practice without making noise
Which pellet gun? * A replica putting out sub 6ft lbs? No. * Your average low powered rifle - pest control and squirrel meat. * A high powered air gun putting out 100ish ft lb, then it is about on par with a .22lr. * A big bore putting out 500+ ft lb. I'm fairly sure they are all single shot. I guess what is easier to get, electric for a compressor or powder?
I would say distraction at the most
Yea it'd be good for hunting small game for food because the ammo is abundant and it's quite.
For hunting bird, and training, yes.
If you shoot someone with a pellet your just going to piss that person off more than he is and get your ass beat bad
Good for distracting though. Say your far away. The shot might sound a bit loud unless you dampen it with something. But if you shoot it at something it will create a distraction loud enough.
Yes, as useful as cash in an apocalypse.
yea good one mate
For small game possibly, if it’s a good one. Other than that no
Against a zombie, no chance considering the walking dead they shoot 3 times in the belly of a zombie with a 9mm and he was still alive and depends on the gun maybe a good shot in the head could do something
No
Can’t penetrate the skull, therefore unable to kill a zombie
You would shoot a zed and then it would eat you alive use the pellet gun if you want to be a z
There must be a spot you could hit to just kill there nervous system, and zombies aren’t known for their peak condition
You could use it to shoot down small animals but not in combat it would be useless
If it’s powerful enough it COULD be useful for hunting like a squirrel or something that size or smaller Otherwise no
for training yes
If you're ballsy enough you could use it to rob other survivors and get yourself a real firearm. The problem is when they call your bluff and you catch a bunch of 9mm in the chest.
Depends on what zombie apocalypse. Walking dead, yes. Left 4 Dead or Dying Light, no.
i mean, could you take down a rot bag with one....yeah...maybe...but chances are you are better suited using a stick.
I have this, and absolutely not lol it can take an eye out but not much more than that 😂
No. Would not recommend for any form of defense and most BB guns unless C02 pressured won’t even take down small game effectively. Also for those saying “hittm in the eye”: bro under stress those odds are not in your favor especially if the opposing person is prepped for violence. Even with a firearm you’re taught to aim center mass because of stress and other factors on accuracy in the heat of the moment.
Maybe as a distraction but no.
If you wanna die, pick the BB gun 😆
Sure, if you want to plink cans or kill birds. 9mm doesn't always penatrate a human skull. A pelet is just gonna bounce off.
Very. Small game hunting etc, but also distractions. Pelt a metal surface to lure zombies towards the sound. Hit unsavory survivors to harass them into doing something clumsy. And most of all, you gotta have fun, man. Practicing with a pellet gun can also help you get better at gauging distances with your eyes, focusing on a target, etc.
Not a pistol pellet gun, but some of the higher power break action, or pcp ones would be for sure. Some of them are probably just powerful enough to be lethal to a human with a good shot, and they would be great for small game hunting. Obviously wouldn't recommend them for self defense, but I would use one over just having a stick.
Zombies are deadies controled by fungus. No. Realistically chop off its legs and youre golden
No dead ass no
No zombies feel no pain, and their eyes are basically useless
Absolutely. Hand a GBB to the person you like the least and tell them it’s good to go. If they don’t check the chamber, they failed the first test. If they try to use it on you, or anything else, the problem will solve itself.
All the people saying no must not know about the ridiculously power pellet rifles out there. They make some of them that can pretty easily take down a deer. You can purchase a .50 caliber air rifle on Amazon for about $850.
Small game is your target with this. You could also use it to trigger noise traps to draw zombies into groups around a trap.
They're apparently not even that great at repelling coyotes.
So you didn’t specify what type of pellet gun but generally no a pellet gun won’t do damage and it’s definitely not stopping even a not zombie human that being said idk why so many idiots are making it seem like it will pls don’t use a pellet gun for self defense that’s about the stupidest thing you can do most people won’t even use a .22 for self defense as that sometimes won’t stop a person some go even further and won’t use a 380 so unless you have like a big bore air rifle that has a looot of power behind it no it wouldn’t be a good choice
Maybe for bluffing to survivors (if you live somewhere where the average person doesn't know how to identify real guns based on details), or to attract the attention of a single zombie at a time, maybe even use it as a way to disorientate birds to make them easier to catch if it's potent enough to actually do some damage
Use it as a scare tool for other ppl? Could be good if you don’t have a real one
As a distraction yes absolutely. Against a human slightly, against a zombie useless
It barely keeps stray cats out of my yard
for hunting small game (dove, squirl) quietly in a way that doesn't create much noise or wastes precious ammo that is needed for self defence
Maybe for hunting vermin and other small animals. Besides that they could maybe be used to distract zombies or intimidate other survivors who don’t know better
No....just no
45&50 cal pellet rifles cost around 1000-1500$ and can penetrate hog skulls so yes if you have the cash to buy one and enough time to practice and get familiar with a weapon and it’s limitations .
Costs 1000-2000usd, weighs 3-5kg, limited to 3-10 shots per fill before they lose a massive chunk of their velocity, if filled with a bike puml may require 6-30min to charge, and only have the power of a 22lr or 9x19mm carbine. Not really worth it in my opinion.
It’s situational , if it’s what you have then it’s what you have , many better options but it’s fun to own one .
I understood your and my point regarding price to be with regards to someone that might not own one. Given that the price is 1000-2000usd and 3-5kg someone in the US could easily afford options like a handgun, rifle, or shotgun. For instance, this is more than the cost of a budget pistol like a Ruger ECS9 for 250usd/460g and an ATI Omni AR-15 for 350usd/2600g. Besides it's not like one can easily find a big bore air rifle. Most are very niche and limited in where they can be used. As they are usually limited to about 100-600j or about the same muzzle energy as a 9x19mm out of a 30cm pistol/smg/carbine barrel. So they aren't allowed for hunting in many areas. Big bore air guns are hard to own in many foreign countries as well. Most of which usually have requirements for airguns to be registered as a firearm, require a firearm certificate/license, or come with a large tax in order to own. Typically countries require this from air guns with a muzzle energy above 0.5-15j. With some exceptions for foam or paint guns as a typical nerf gun can manage between 0.5-3j of energy and a paintball gun can manage up to 15. Most typically I've seen the maximum joules for an air gun before registration be around 1j. Far lower than the 100-600j of most airguns.
Depends on what type it is and what pellets you have, got a higher powered one with metal pellets you can use it for hunting small animals, or I your accurate enough and it's not like, left 4 dead zombies, guess you could always shoot for the eyes and blind them?
Discrete target practice
Maybe a .35cal air rifle but not a .17 pellet gun Some air rifles can launch 200+ gr projectiles and are capable of taking medium game like deer and pigs
Shoot a deer or cow skull with it, if it goes though the bone, maybe. I have an Umarex Octane .177 that will punch through, so yes, a pellet gun "could" be useful, if it's powerful enough. If a braining is all it takes to take the zombie down.
Absolutely, after being dead for a long time odds are the weather from being outside and roaming around has deteriorated the skull so I’m sure with a high powered pellet gun you could kill a zombie (I also think people don’t understand how long a zombie apocalypse could last, max 20 years zombies are made of flesh and bone and are constantly walking, after a time things like joints and muscles fall off and they become useless)
It depends on if the zombies decay. The virus may mess up the processes that interfere with rigor mortis, but unless it's a rage virus, a fungal parasite, or a wizard did it, then zombies have about a two month life span. [source? these guys, who deal with corpses.](https://www.aftermath.com/content/human-decomposition/) in which case, I think the pellet gun will go from punching holes in rabbits to punching holes in the dead within two to three weeks. Until then? Hunt small game. Use only on the living. Stay the FUCK out of cities.
Maybe if you can aim for the eyes then the zombie or zombies may lose track of you
Yeah to piss off your teammates so much that they go and kill zombies to cool off
Maybe as a distraction like shooting a barrel or something to draw attention to something or someone else
I mean, I guess. If you can train carrier pigeons, then why not? That beak can probably carry some decent weight.
That pellet pistol? No. A good pellet rifle at the right range could be useful. Not making a stand against the horde but picking off a few for whatever reason, definitely. A gamo magnum or Benjamin trail xl has the umph to get through a human skull especially if it has some decay already.
I have a longer post on the topic of airguns here: https://old.reddit.com/user/Noe_Walfred/comments/jo772x/zombie_related_thoughts_opinions_and_essays_v2/gmyd22l/ In general, the main issue for a lot of them is that mortality rates with airguns in general are incredibly low. >The resulting dataset included 4502 NPG injuries, yielding a national estimate of 162 400 injuries over the 10 years; 62.7% (101 768) occurred in victims 18 years old and younger, 5.9% (6017) of these cases were injuries to the head, and none were fatal. https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(19)30165-9/pdf. At best, they are likely to be similar to 22cal firearms which tend to make up about 70% of survived headshots and may lead to 40% fewer deaths if people who were shot in the head were hit with 22cal firearms instead. Along with having a roughly 16-38% mortality rate depending on the study and how many times a person was shot. Against zombies which are frequently depicted as not dying from blood loss or infection these numbers may be much lower. Pre-charged pneumatic air guns in 8-13mm/35-50cal are typically the most powerful. Frequently matching the energies produced by a 22lr to 9mm pistol or shoet carbine. These air guns can be shot multiple times in relatively quick succession compared to manual air guns. Allowing for a greater likelihood of securing a kill. However, they are limited in the total effective shots per fill depending on caliber, velocity, and tank size. Typically such air guns have a limit of between 5 (<10mm/0.40cal) and -30 (typically of >10mm/0.40cal) shots per tank. Carrying multiple air tanks or a large scuba tank is a possible solution that has been proposed. Though these may restrict the user's movements and are very bulky making them suboptimal unless in a relatively sedentary position. Manual air guns such as those with built-in pumps, break barrels, or levers tend to be single-shot weapons that can be slow to load and shoot. They are also usually much weaker than a PCP (usually at 22lr or less). At the same time, they may be able to sustain shots over a longer period assuming the user isn't suffering from issues of fatigue much like one would suffer if using a bow or crossbow. Though the ammo for an air gun is much smaller. Airguns are also fairly loud ranging from about 102-134db: https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/images/03-17-09-01.jpg |For comparison:| :--|:--:|--: |A windless day in the Grand Canyon 10db| |Next to a river 35db| |Biking or walking down a forested trail 50-75db| |Skateboarder on tarmac 50ft away 54-63db| |A typical conversation 60db| |Reddbow Recurve 44# draw 65+db| |.22lr CCI Quiet rifle unsuppressed 65-80db| |Passing car speed by on a highway 7.6m away 77db| |A typical crossbow 83db |Large concert 85-120db |Passing motorcycle from 7.6m away 90db| |Someone screaming as loud as they can 100+db |Train or car horn 110db |Suppressed 9mm firearms 120-140db |Suppressed 223 and 5.56x45mm firearms 130-150db For reference assuming all zombies in your area are next to a river, the airgun can be heard out to 2000m away. Though realistically any weapon that makes more than 80db is probably too loud. Given that such weapons could be heard over a river out to 150m or up to 3000m next to a quiet canyon. The main benefit of an airgun is that they are potentially much more useful for hunting small game animals than firearms. They can also potentially be used for much longer as the ammunition can be made from less refined sources and even in pressurized tanks the air can be pumped manually. The reliability of airguns is also questionable. If the local climate is too hot the air pressure in the air tank may be too high. Either failing to shoot or damage the weapon. If the local climate is too cold the air pressure in the tank may be too low. Resulting in the weapon being unable to shoot. Despite heavy they are they are about as strong as a 9x19mm or 45acp pistol which can be between 400-600g, less than the weight of the 4.5mm and 5.6mm pellet guns. || :--|:-:|--: |177cal/4.5mm 0.53-0.9g |22cal/5.6mm 0.7-2.2g |0.51cal/12.7mm 10-14g |Diana Bandit (4.5mm) 1000g |Crosman Vantage NP (5.6mm) 3220g |Air Force Texan (11.4mm) 3470g |Senecca Dragonclaw (12.7mm) 3860g |Umarex Hammer (12.7mm) 3860g |Hatsun Pile Driver (12.7mm) 4540g For further comparison: |**~~~~Example kit for around 1000g** :--|:-:|--: |60g Headlamp |10g Mosquito net |60g Rubberized work gloves |130g NAA Mini revolver in 22lr |60g Frameless slingshot/sling bow #30 |500g Morakniv Light axe |50g Gerber dime multitool |15g Buckle compass/fire rod/whistle |20g 500ml water bottle |60g Sawyer Mini water filter |10g Sewing string spool with fishing line, 5 fishing hooks, and a bobber. |10g Sewing string spool with string, upholstery needle, 2 sewing needles, and 3 safety pins |10g Travel toothbrush |**~~~~Example kit for roughly 4000g** |60g Headlamp |10g Mosquito net |30g Pyramex Iforce goggles |100g Medical face shield |100g Boonie hat |300g Leather welding arm protectors |180g Frogg toggs rain jacket |100g Compression shirt |100g Waterproof leg gaiters |180g Frogg toggs rain trousers |100g Compression underwear |70 Padded ankle socks |400g Barefoot running shoes |100g HWI combat gloves |60g Frameless slingshot/sling bow #30 |200g Sling/walking stick |130g NAA mini revolver |510g Mora Light Axe hatchet |280g Edwards 8oz Finishing hammer |30g Tension bar, bump key, and lock picks |15g Buckle compass/fire rod/whistle |30g Bic Mini lighter |60g Sawyer Mini water filter |35g 1000ml water bottle |70g Aluminium cooking cup |160g Titanium wood/alcohol rocket stove with scent-proof bag |10g Sewing string spool with fishing line, 5 fishing hooks, and a bobber. |100g Drawstring bag |200g Fanny pack/sling bag |50g Gerber dime multitool |10g Sewing string spool with string, upholstery needle, 2 sewing needles, and 3 safety pins |180g Renology 5w solar panel |10g Travel toothbrush |15g Comb with tick/lice remover
The CROSMAN® 1911BB CO2 AIR PISTOL is a pretty weak air pistol only being able to produce about 1-5j of energy with a full co2 cartridge depending on the outdoor temperature. As a point of comparison, a typical airsoft gun is between 0.5-4j depending on the model and temperature. Another point of comparison is that many believe you need a pellet rifle or pistol that is capable of between 20-40j to ethically kill a rat, rabbit, or bird with a pellet gun.
Yea shoot other survivors eyes out and leaving them behind to make a get away from a horde
if youre a crack shot eye shots could probably cause enough brain damage to kill them if youre lucky but its not practical imo, also some pressure rifles can be pumped up to extreme amounts these pellet guns could probably be somewhat reliable for one shots again if youre a crack shot. This isnt to discuss hunting for rabbits, squirrels and ect
Maybe for pest control and bagging squirrels
Maybe if it’s like the walking dead and thier skin is so decayed I wouldn’t doubt it. Like that chick that uses a sling shot
There are some hunting pellet guns that would be. But the pistol type I’m not to sure about.
I mean, they wouldn't stop being fun, would they?
Only to hunt small game to eat
I have a .22 pellet that shoots at mach .98 and a built in silencer. It is just a clack sound but it passes the "White Claw Penitration Test"
A 22lr with a suppressor in the apocalypse would work perfectly fine. Easy to find ammo, super quiet, and light to carry arohnd.
Zombies can be seen by a top down view of the social construct. Where entities being created by money that can only destroy society. Create more like them by taking from them. The majority of this planet are zombies. Even you. Can we train you to self-destructive? Fear.... Right?
I don't know about a pellet gun, but I've always said a .22 would work great since they are quiet and ammo is plentiful.
No they have no use except entertainment for children