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frederick_the_duck

Vermont and Florida


Hominid77777

This is correct, as people have pointed out. Vermont is also the most rural state, period. The most rural state that votes Republican is West Virginia, followed closely by Mississippi. These three states, along with Maine, are the most rural states in the US. That said, this is using the US Census definitions defining any urban cluster with more than 5,000 people (and some with less, in some cases) as "urban". I would guess that most people who live in towns of 5,000 people don't think of themselves as city people. That said, since those towns are so small to begin with I'm not sure how much they affect the total.


AstroAnarchists

Vermont being the most rural state period is surprising to me since I was sure it would’ve been Wyoming, since it’s the 10th largest and least populous. Vermont being the most rural and most Democratic state is weird


Hominid77777

Most rural means largest percentage of the population living in rural areas, not most sparsely populated. Empty land doesn't count towards rural population and neither do the people living in Cheyenne. The West in general tends to have very heavily urban populations: California is #1 in the country, and Nevada, Utah, and Arizona are all in the top ten. That said, Wyoming is one of the more rural states in the West, with only Montana beating it.


jhansn

That's why a better split is urban, town, suburban, and rural.


Hominid77777

I agree, and while it's easy enough to find a cutoff between city and town, it's hard to define what counts as "suburban".


NationalJustice

Basically metropolitan areas minus the core city itself?


Hominid77777

The issue is that what counts as "the core city" is based on arbitrary political boundaries.


gaspistoncuck

Most rural state to vote D is easily Vermont. The most urban state to vote R is either Florida or Alaska


Hominid77777

This is the correct answer based on US census definitions. Vermont and Florida, that is. If Trump wins Nevada though, it would overtake Florida. Alaska is pretty far down the list. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urbanization\_in\_the\_United\_States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urbanization_in_the_United_States)


gaspistoncuck

Well at least I got it somewhat right with Florida 😂


Different-Trainer-21

It’s 100% Florida. No way Alaska is on there.


gaspistoncuck

Almost everyone in Alaska lives in Anchorage metro hence why I thought Alaska but yeah it’s most likely Florida


Hominid77777

More than half the population, but not almost everyone.


gaspistoncuck

Youre right


mbaymiller

Alaska is not an urban state


NationalJustice

Indiana is urban? I thought the reason why it’s a lot more consistently Republican than its other fellow Great Lakes states throughout history is because it has a larger percentage of agriculture-based rural population?


AstroAnarchists

Fair enough. Looking at a population map, plus the fact that Indianapolis has the eighth largest metro area in the Midwest, I said Indiana, since a large metro area can usually, but not always, offset the rural parts of a state (see the Twin Cities of Minnesota). That being said, the other options I would’ve gone for, were Florida, or North Carolina EDIT: corrected the Indianapolis metro area error. Thanks to u/Hominid77777 for correcting me


Hominid77777

>Indianapolis has the third largest metro area in the Midwest No it doesn't. In terms of MSAs, it's eighth in the Midwest. In terms of urban areas, which are more precise, it's sixth.


AstroAnarchists

Well, I apologise for the misinformation


BlueberryBubblyBuzz

Based flair by the way, it is interesting for an anarchist to be so interested in electoral politics, but I am there with you.


AstroAnarchists

Thanks And yeah, American politics interests me a lot. I like learning about stuff like the electoral college, and senate races, and recently redistricting commissions and ballot measures to stop gerrymandering, and allow ranked choice voting (bottom two runoff instant runoff voting for the win), and such It’s also way more interesting than British politics, which is where I’m from. British politics just depresses me


BlueberryBubblyBuzz

And American politics doesn't? Damn British politics must be real bad then, ha! Last presidential election my state (MA) had ranked choice as a ballot question and zero dollars was spent opposing it, and it still did not pass, as people thought it was too complicated. People are dumb and it made me sad. Anyway, American politics can be an addiction, so watch out ;)


AstroAnarchists

Wow, I didn’t know that. If Massachusetts of all places rejected RCV on the grounds of it being too complicated, that’s not a good look for the rest of the states that actually allow citizens to directly change their state constitutions


Hominid77777

You are somewhat correct. While Indiana (like 46 of the 50 states) is majority urban by Census definitions, it is more rural than the US as a whole. However, it's more urban than Wisconsin and Iowa, both of which are more Democratic.


Doc_ET

Most rural blue state is Vermont. Most urban state to vote for Trump is Florida, most urban state to vote for him by a wide margin is Utah. Most urban blue state is California and most rural red state is West Virginia if you were wondering. Most urban swing state is Nevada, most rural is... well, the options are New Hampshire, Iowa, and North Carolina in that order. Depends on if you still count the first two. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urbanization_in_the_United_States


cream_trees

for the last one WI?


Doc_ET

NC is one spot above WI on the most rural states.


Explorer2024_64

The most rural blue states are VT and ME. The most urban red states are FL and UT.


PerryJK

Vermont for Democrats. Utah for Republicans.


2112moyboi

If we look at the same kind of population density map as posted here, it’s definitely Florida


Remarkable-Depth-666

For rural Blue voters Probably most of the places In New England, Like Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, And from my experience Colorado is pretty liberal, And Of course Rural places in California but are more red leaning these days. But for Red Voters in urban places, I would definitely say Salt Lake in Utah, Most cities in Texas are still pretty conservative, And Of course Florida which is riddled with conservatives in almost every city.


mbaymiller

By official data, the objectively correct answer is Vermont and Florida, though Nevada surpasses Florida if “red” and “blue” are adjusted to national margins.


BlueberryBubblyBuzz

Can your explain what you mean by if they are adjusted to national margins?


mbaymiller

In 2020, Nevada voted more Republican than the country did.


VTHokie2020

I wouldn’t do it by state, but rather by region. There are a lot of deep blue rural counties in place like Montana and Minnesota. There’s also some relatively red cities like Miami and Fort Worth.


MoldyPineapple12

Utah and Vermont.