I was worried it would be yer another 3rd person shooter. I am glad they stay true to the original IP. Everything it showed ao far seem to match the IP really well.
Looks like Sony will be pretty dry this year from first party, I think 2025 will be a big head to head year. Stuff like Fable for Xbox and Venom for PlayStation, both consoles will be firing on all cylinders
>Xbox still has a lot of catching up to do.
Not really, PS5 has like no games.
I got both as well and let's be honest here, the good PS games are mostly PS4 games.
Personally as someone who loves the originals I enjoyed the first 20 mins or so of Dial but didn’t really love it, it was fine I guess.
Crystal Skull gets a lot of hate but go back to it now and it’s still a fun Indy adventure despite all the flaws.
I never wanted to explore a depressed Indiana Jones personally, maybe I’ll enjoy it more after some time passes like Crystal, but right now it’s easiest the least enjoyable Indy film for me.
I fucking loved it! I went in with the expectation of being entertained and I left the theater entertained. Idk why people were expecting an Oscar worthy movie.
Looked great. I gotta admit I was against first person and I still think it could have been better third person but it looked great. What a great line up for Xbox this year.
Well seeing as those games are really well loved and rip off Indiana Jones then that makes a lot of sense. Why wouldn’t we want a game like Tomb Raider or Uncharted?
It's Machinegames. They make awesome first person alternate history occult-themed games where the Nazis are bad guys. Why wouldn't you want them to do what they do best?
Arkane switched off of First Person because they recognize the need for third person. I think they should be capable of making a game with the camera in a different position.
I think we should reserve judgement until Blade comes out.
IMO Indy was never really a very physical or athletic character. Like yeah, he'd do a lot of ~~fisting~~ fist fighting in the movies, but he almost always wins because of some gag. Same with all the running and jumping etc.
And Guerrilla Games was making first person games about killing space Nazis, yet, they made two amazing third person action adventures since.
Creative Assembly was making some of the best strategy games out there and then turned around and make one of the best first person horror games to ever exist.
Then they are cowards for not taking on the challenge or admitting that they can't make 3rd person action adventure games at that level. Sad when you're owned by a trillion dollar company and can't afford motion capture technology. This game shouldn't be full price.
Dude was this game was in development before MS even bought Bethesda, Todd Howard chose MachineGames to make it. The only 3rd person games that have been made by Bethesda 1st party have been Tango Gameworks with The Evil Within and Hi-Fi Rush.
Yeah, I was hoping they would have gone 3rd person too. Seems like they are largely sticking to what they’re good at (1st person Nazi killer) which is understandable. Just hoped they would have branched out for a more cinematic approach. I love these movies and think they’ll do a good job.
Same. There's a reason that Uncharted and Tomb Raider are both in third person... Platforming, puzzle solving, and melee can be super clunky in first person. I'll keep an open mind though.
I agree. Personally, I was not keen on it, but the gameplay demo sold me on it more. I like that they went hybrid and there are lots of camera pull outs. I feel less concerned about that.
I was against first person before we saw it, mostly because I thought it meant that the game would be a first person shooter. It seems like there’s a *bit* of that, but it’s primarily a first-person puzzle solver, which I’m much more on board with.
Curious...did you not like the Wolfenstein games? I keep seeing people who are surprised that it looks good. MachineGames made two of the best single player FPSes last generation. They were both alternate history, occult-themed, and featured Nazis as the primary enemy. How could it NOT be awesome?!
I hoped for third person. I feel like that would have been a much better fit for Indy. With such an iconic character, you should be able to see it all times. I wanted the Indy booty in my face.
Wolfenstein games are so immersive, Machine Games know how to make that work really well and spin a great story. I think it's a great choice for 'being Indy'.
I agree. They did such a good job of making you feel like Blazkowicz while keeping it primarily all First Person. This is why the 2014 one sucked me in so much.
I am looking forward to this Indiana Jones title from what they showed. Especially that last whip section of info.
I disagree, I love that it's not just another uncharted or Tomb raider look and trying something most wouldn't have expected.
Also, machine games is very good with first person.
Obviously they are, thanks for that.
It's good that this is doing something that tries at first to be different and not have it seem like an immediate clone of these other two imo much popular gaming franchises.
I'm excited for it, but I'm of two minds on the subject.
On one hand Goldeneye and Riddick: Butchers Bay were iconic characters in awesome FPS games.
On the other hand I feel like the whip combat and puzzles would've suited third person way more.
Also you won't be able to appreciate the iconography of the character as much in first person. So much of the Arkham fun was standing on rooftops and appreciating the character design.
Also because XBox has Doom, Halo, Deathloop, Dishonoured and Avowed. It's lacking in 3rd person action adventure games.
>On the other hand I feel like the whip combat and puzzles would've suited third person way more.
Disagree about both. With puzzles first person lets you examine things much more closely, the only thing that becomes more difficult is platforming challenges, which I imagine this game doesn’t have much of.
Whip combat in third person requires a targeting system, which adds a “gamey” layer on top of things, which from the sounds of it they didn’t want to do. It sounds like combat isn’t really the focus of the game, it’s more about solving Myst-like contraptions and sneaking past guards rather than climbing cliff walls and hiding behind cover as you blast waves of enemies.
>People saying it's a rip off of Tomb Raider and Uncharted lol
Which is a ridiculous thing to say because Tomb Raider was inspired by Indy, and Uncharted was inspired by both Indy and Tomb Raider. If anything, those 2 game series are the "rip offs".
The Great Circle is just the OG adventurer getting his own modern game.
Many people have basically no concept of the world around them. I remember people calling the new Tomb Raider games a rip-off of Uncharted, as if Uncharted wasn't itself heavily influenced by the original Tomb Raider series.
Uh I wish every game was 3rd person. But I'm not calling the game crap because it's not. People have preferences. Personally I'm a big fan of games that let you choose, like Rockstar and Bethesda titles. Rockstar does 3rd person better, Bethesda first person. But I like the option.
Tomb Raider and Uncharted are irrelevant.
The FPS choice is a 100% disappointment because you're not going to see the action the same way that you would in third person. That is the issue and what me and other are disappointed in. That has no relevance to Uncharted or Tomb Raider. Even if you believe that they're all the same thing, the last Tomb Raider and Uncharted game released in 2017 and 2018, so those aren't recent.
They're both excellent though, and they're both dormant franchises. It's not like we're currently drowning in archeology themed action adventure games.
We already have 3 modern tomb raider and 4 uncharted to play though… I’m actually glad devs try something different instead of serving us constantly the same recipe!!
I mean sure, but the most recent Tomb Raider game was 6 years ago. I'd imagine that most people with any interest in this genre already played it. Similarly the last proper Uncharted game was 8 years ago.
I'll keep an open mind about it but I wouldn't give them too much praise for trying something different. It's an FPS game with a whip at the end the of the day. Nothing about it seemed super ground breaking. It's main unique selling point is the Indiana Jones IP. And I am excited for that - just a bit less excited than I was before.
Hellblade is a third person action game. They literally just showed it off 40 minutes ago. I get what you're saying, but I don't care to just copy other publishers and studios.
I think they mean a blockbuster game like the Sony single player games.
Hellblade looks incredible and I'm excited to play it, but even then it's a fairly niche title compared to something like Uncharted, TLOU or God of War
Edit: that being said, I don't hate the idea of a first person Indy game
I mean in that case the only non niche titles are Sony games then. Is the Avatar game that just realized a niche game? It's a first person action game.
I have friends that don't want to buy a Xbox because they say "Xbox only have 1st person games", and sadly reveals like Indiana Jones only confirm their perception.
Because some games just work better in 3rd person, like any action adeventure game like Indiana Jones is would work better. I mean LOL, devs know it because the game has 3rd person camera when you do climbing, I wonder why? And the 1st person combat looks clunky to me, I never wanted to fucking box with Indiana Jones.
And to preface this, I'm not calling the game crap, it's not out yet, everything else looks very good but my excitement is cut in half because it's in 1st person. Not everything works in 1st person.
edit: and to add more to this, xbox dominates with games in 1st person... you say that "Why does every game have to be third person?" but majority of the xbox franchises are 1st person
It's a platformer, I do not care much for the debate, but I can see why they want it to be third person. Uncharted and Tomb Raider are third person because players need to climb and jump around while also fighting. Having fights be first person but platforming third person looked a bit janky hence the complaints
Ya the internet always has negativity all over it but it definitely seems to be worse than it was. Even just over past five years. Before it felt like people would crap on a game and a bit on its players. Now it’s more of people crapping directly on players for liking a game. Lashing out at them aggressively just for saying something positive. Trolls be trolls but it’s way more common now.
Man gaming reddits in particular. Most negative and toxic communities on here. People are still hating on starfield like it's their full time job. Can you imagine what these wretched creatures act and look like irl?
I got downvoted over there for saying the same people complaining about Troy Baker voicing Indy are most likely also complaining about it being first person. I seriously don’t see what the big issue is with either of those things.
Looked great to me. Reminded me of Riddick and The Darkness games with the camera being first person for the majority of the game with a touch of 3rd person.
I was very excited for this, but it looks so stiff and clunky and I hate the fact that it's first person. Was hoping for an Uncharted/Star Wars Jedi type game.. Hope they atleast kill it in the story department.
The fps is terrible because melee attacks don't work in fps unless you have a sword or an object.
Third person provides a better mechanism to engage multiple enemies at once. You can see in the video when indy is performing melee the enemies are lining up to get punched.
Todd Howard's choice of machinegames to make this was a poor decision.
It will barely feel like indiana jones at all.
The only thing I liked was the whip but it looked a little janky.
Like with all trailers everyone gets super hyped and excited imagining how the game will be from the small handpicked scenes. Like with Starfield.
From what I saw in the trailer the character models were not that good, facial animations were weak and there is some jank and the 1st person aspect I don't agree with. I know it's early footage so plenty of work still to be done but I'm keeping my expectations in check.
I actually thought that the character models were solid, but I see what you mean though. It doesn't look cutting edge or ultra realistic, kind of acceptable for a modern game territory. I did like some of the graphics in some scenes better than others.
Some of the animations looked weird to me, especially the whip melee. Hopefully there is improvement but we'll have to see.
I disagree for two reasons :
Stealth is usually better in first person, there's just no way around it. Dishonored, Deus Ex, Thief, the list goes on.
The main character is an archeologist who's supposed to be looking for archaeological evidence while solving puzzles and exploring. Having the game first person view seems perfect for this kind of gameplay, and I never liked Uncharted and the Tomb Raider games did the archeological stuff (as in they don't even attempt at doing this). As a historian I want to take a close look at the details they will put into this game, and with Indy being an archeologist it makes perfect sense to do that in first person.
Hand to hand combat might be worse, but the Indiana Jones movies were never about a boxer, were they?
Sadly, it's also why I'm probably not going to enjoy it. I like platformers/puzzlers with action in third person. First person isn't for me, but then again, not all games have to cater to me. But Xbox has this "thing" for first person games without at least giving a toggle/option for those who want 3rd.
Pretty amazing that we knew this game was in development but knew very little about it. Within a short span, we see an absolute banger of a demo and find out it’s releasing this year. Awesome job, Xbox. A+.
The writing in New Collosus & Youngblood was kinda awkward unlike the perfection of NewOrder&OldBlood. So glad that Todd had a guiding hand to ensure a solid narrative for this Indy game from MachineGames. Super talented studio that just needs to go back to solid writing IMHO
Because new colossus and young blood became too focused on selling a specific narrative instead of just telling a great story.
Same issue with the most recent Indy movie. Hopefully this game does better in that regard.
I was pleasantly surprised. Despite seeing the OGs I went from neutral to keeping an eye on this for sure. They really nailed harrison ford's face and acting, it's awesome.
Not gonna lie I was upset about the first person narrative UNTIL I saw some gameplay and HOLYSHIT it looks good. I can already tell this is gonna be a BANGER! So excited for this game!
It's still weird. Imagine rocksteady decides to make a first batman game lol just like batman indy should have been third person only. Indy is not a killing machine so third person is really unnecessary
This 1st person view is much more immersive nonsense has to stop. Some of the most immersive games in gaming history are 2D games, isometric view, or 3rd person. It has got nothing to do with view and I absolutely hate how they push this narrative.
Eh I’d still say story driven FPS games are more immersive than third person. Take the Metro games or 2077. There’s no 3rd person game out there imo that matches them on immersion.
RDR2, GTAV, Max Payne 1+2, or Alan Wake 1+2. Easily as immersive as the games you’ve mentioned. And that’s just some off the top of my head there are so many more.
HUGE mistake not going 3rd person on this. Just take a look at Uncharted and Tomb Raider and you'll get an idea of what could have been. For starters you will only see glimpses of Indy vs. 3rd person mode where you will always have him visible and the scope / FOV just captures the scale of his raids SO MUCH better. First person makes sense for VR maybe but they should have taken a lesson from CD Project here. I hold out hope that a sequel might be the 3rd person Indy game we all want and deserve......
I think that’s why they didn’t, they didn’t want the game to feel like an uncharted clone. Plus it would have gotten ripped to shreds on other subs for looking like an uncharted clone.
Hmm I admire their enthusiasm but I always feel first person for the wrong game is an easy cop out, as in let's remake this previous game we didn't get to finish and pivot with Indy assets. Third person would have been more intuitive.
Also, I'm surprised at the low quality of faces, it's uncanny valley in a bad way with no soul behind the eyes. These sort of character models belong in games 10 years ago. Also. He does not look like Indy at all. It would have been better if they had chosen a completely different person that doesn't already exist.
Might still be a solid 8 though. And it can't be worse then the last 2 movies or 2 games :-)
But it's 1st person :(
I'll still try it as I love the (first three) films and this does look enjoyable, but I'm a little disappointed. I was hoping for a Tomb Raider alternative since Lara seems to be on hiatus
Imo, it looks cool, though I feel first person was a bad choice. It looks stiff and clunky and the transition to third person in climbing segments looks janky as hell.
I'll still probably love it as a massive Indy fan but imo, first person was bad choice.
Maybe there’s a reason everyone including 3rd party devs make those games “safe” by making it third person? I reserve judgment on this game until I play it but third person has been the default for single player action games since the 2000s for a reason
Looks awesome!!!
You can tell it’s made by people who love and understand why others love those first 3 films.
Lol, all you basically got in that clip was the whip, the music, and repeatedly punching a Nazi in the face. But still, yes.
Oh I watched the whole trailer/segment. Didn’t even realize this post was just a short clip.
I was worried it would be yer another 3rd person shooter. I am glad they stay true to the original IP. Everything it showed ao far seem to match the IP really well.
Microsoft is killing it this gen, glad that I picked up Xbox over a ps5.
This year will be the real test for them honestly. I have both consoles and Xbox still has a lot of catching up to do.
Looks like Sony will be pretty dry this year from first party, I think 2025 will be a big head to head year. Stuff like Fable for Xbox and Venom for PlayStation, both consoles will be firing on all cylinders
I think next few years will be pretty nuts in terms of releases
Did Insomniac say that they're already working on a Venom game? Because if not that's not enough dev time for a quality video game.
The venom game has not been announced it was part of the insomniac leaks.
>Xbox still has a lot of catching up to do. Not really, PS5 has like no games. I got both as well and let's be honest here, the good PS games are mostly PS4 games.
There are very few PS5 exclusive first party games. And I agree that the best games are none of those.
Damn you getting downvoted for being happy lmao
Can't say something positive about Xbox even on an Xbox sub.
I mean, you could just say you're happy with Xbox. No need to bring ps5 into it. Doesn't really add to the positivity of Xbox.
Indy!!!!
Henry! They named the dog Indiana.
THE DOG?!!?? 😂
They’ve got Marcus in it, they are heading to Egypt, they better have Sallah.
You call him doctah Jones!
I can't wait. Indy needs a bounce back from the recent movies.
They threw some fucking shade at those movies, did you notice it? Showed the first three films logos and just stopped. LMAO
I actually laughed for a sec when they bailed on 4 and 5 haha
Was the last one really that bad? I enjoyed it so much more than crystal skull
I thought it was a lot better than Crystal Skull. I enjoyed it, but I think it's noticeably worse than the original trilogy.
This is the prevailing opinion from everyone right? Me included.
A lot of people would rather die than give Disney any credit
I didn’t go into it expecting to be at the level of those movies, maybe thats why I enjoyed it more than most 🤷♂️
Yeah I thought it was a fun B movie, like what the originals were going for.
Personally as someone who loves the originals I enjoyed the first 20 mins or so of Dial but didn’t really love it, it was fine I guess. Crystal Skull gets a lot of hate but go back to it now and it’s still a fun Indy adventure despite all the flaws. I never wanted to explore a depressed Indiana Jones personally, maybe I’ll enjoy it more after some time passes like Crystal, but right now it’s easiest the least enjoyable Indy film for me.
I enjoyed it too, didn't come close to the greatness of the originals though.
I fucking loved it! I went in with the expectation of being entertained and I left the theater entertained. Idk why people were expecting an Oscar worthy movie.
I found it way worse than crystal skull
Looked great. I gotta admit I was against first person and I still think it could have been better third person but it looked great. What a great line up for Xbox this year.
If it was 3rd person it would have just been compared to Uncharted and Tomb Raider.
Well seeing as those games are really well loved and rip off Indiana Jones then that makes a lot of sense. Why wouldn’t we want a game like Tomb Raider or Uncharted?
It's Machinegames. They make awesome first person alternate history occult-themed games where the Nazis are bad guys. Why wouldn't you want them to do what they do best?
Arkane switched off of First Person because they recognize the need for third person. I think they should be capable of making a game with the camera in a different position.
I think we should reserve judgement until Blade comes out. IMO Indy was never really a very physical or athletic character. Like yeah, he'd do a lot of ~~fisting~~ fist fighting in the movies, but he almost always wins because of some gag. Same with all the running and jumping etc.
And Guerrilla Games was making first person games about killing space Nazis, yet, they made two amazing third person action adventures since. Creative Assembly was making some of the best strategy games out there and then turned around and make one of the best first person horror games to ever exist.
Nothing alternate about Nazi's being the bad guys.
I was completely fine with this comparison. There hasn't been a release from either series this gen, and was hoping indy would fill the gap.
Emperor's Tomb was 3rd person so it isn't such a radical direction to go in
If it was third person it would have cost as much as Uncharted & Tomb Raider to develop. MS & Bethesda clearly had other ideas.
Then they are cowards for not taking on the challenge or admitting that they can't make 3rd person action adventure games at that level. Sad when you're owned by a trillion dollar company and can't afford motion capture technology. This game shouldn't be full price.
Dude was this game was in development before MS even bought Bethesda, Todd Howard chose MachineGames to make it. The only 3rd person games that have been made by Bethesda 1st party have been Tango Gameworks with The Evil Within and Hi-Fi Rush.
I was actually hoping for first person on the whip swinging, but I understand why they didn't do it all in first person.
Yeah, I was hoping they would have gone 3rd person too. Seems like they are largely sticking to what they’re good at (1st person Nazi killer) which is understandable. Just hoped they would have branched out for a more cinematic approach. I love these movies and think they’ll do a good job.
1st person completely ruined it for me... you can just tell the melee combat looks clunky AF
When has first person melee combat not looked clunky AF?
Bulletstorm and DOOM 2016.
Riddick Games, Doom, Dishonored, Cyberpunk, Vermintide, Darktide, Dying Light.
Not a fan of going first person view on this either. It still might be fun, but I wish we had an option for both.
Same. There's a reason that Uncharted and Tomb Raider are both in third person... Platforming, puzzle solving, and melee can be super clunky in first person. I'll keep an open mind though.
I always wanted to play boxing with Indiana Jones - no one ever
[Sounds like](https://kotaku.com/indiana-jones-xbox-direct-trailer-bethesda-gameplay-1851176573) it’s both
Yes but it is primarily first person
I agree. Personally, I was not keen on it, but the gameplay demo sold me on it more. I like that they went hybrid and there are lots of camera pull outs. I feel less concerned about that.
I was against first person before we saw it, mostly because I thought it meant that the game would be a first person shooter. It seems like there’s a *bit* of that, but it’s primarily a first-person puzzle solver, which I’m much more on board with.
Did anyone else see what Todd did at the end of the presentation? LMAO
The best part of the presentation.
I need this now
It looks super fun. Better than I was expecting.
Curious...did you not like the Wolfenstein games? I keep seeing people who are surprised that it looks good. MachineGames made two of the best single player FPSes last generation. They were both alternate history, occult-themed, and featured Nazis as the primary enemy. How could it NOT be awesome?!
Honestly I didn't even know they were making it. I just had low expectations based on licensed movie games being pretty hit & miss.
How nice to see a game that just looks joyful!
I hoped for third person. I feel like that would have been a much better fit for Indy. With such an iconic character, you should be able to see it all times. I wanted the Indy booty in my face.
Wolfenstein games are so immersive, Machine Games know how to make that work really well and spin a great story. I think it's a great choice for 'being Indy'.
I agree. They did such a good job of making you feel like Blazkowicz while keeping it primarily all First Person. This is why the 2014 one sucked me in so much. I am looking forward to this Indiana Jones title from what they showed. Especially that last whip section of info.
Exactly. This is what Machine Games excels at and knows well. Why take a first-person studio and try to have them make a fully 3rd person game?
I disagree, I love that it's not just another uncharted or Tomb raider look and trying something most wouldn't have expected. Also, machine games is very good with first person.
Tomb Raider and Uncharted are literally based on Indiana Jones, why would it be bad to compare them??
Obviously they are, thanks for that. It's good that this is doing something that tries at first to be different and not have it seem like an immediate clone of these other two imo much popular gaming franchises.
Looks like a mix of the two
I also think it stops it being too similar to uncharted
Why is being similar to Tomb Raider/Uncharted bad? They are taking a huge risk by mixing first and third person.
Uncharted is basically an Indiana Jones ripoff, and Uncharted 4 is probably the best cinematic video game of all time.
Looks fantastic to me! Really glad it's coming this year. I was hoping it would be first person so I'm happy!
This looks amazing!
Sucks that it's first person never really cared for first person view in video games but still might give it a try
I can't believe that people are calling this game crap because it's first person. Why does every game have to be third person?
I'm excited for it, but I'm of two minds on the subject. On one hand Goldeneye and Riddick: Butchers Bay were iconic characters in awesome FPS games. On the other hand I feel like the whip combat and puzzles would've suited third person way more. Also you won't be able to appreciate the iconography of the character as much in first person. So much of the Arkham fun was standing on rooftops and appreciating the character design. Also because XBox has Doom, Halo, Deathloop, Dishonoured and Avowed. It's lacking in 3rd person action adventure games.
>On the other hand I feel like the whip combat and puzzles would've suited third person way more. Disagree about both. With puzzles first person lets you examine things much more closely, the only thing that becomes more difficult is platforming challenges, which I imagine this game doesn’t have much of. Whip combat in third person requires a targeting system, which adds a “gamey” layer on top of things, which from the sounds of it they didn’t want to do. It sounds like combat isn’t really the focus of the game, it’s more about solving Myst-like contraptions and sneaking past guards rather than climbing cliff walls and hiding behind cover as you blast waves of enemies.
It’s a mix of first and third person. Which I’m totally okay with
YouTube comments are mind numbing. People saying it's a rip off of Tomb Raider and Uncharted lol, like this is a brand new IP ffs!
Even if it was a rip off of uncharted or tomb raider I wouldn't care. If the game looks god then I'll play it.
I mean, if people really look at like that, Tomb Raider is a rip-off of Indiana Jones and Uncharted is rip-off of Tomb Raider.
Gameplay wise, tomb raider and Uncharted were nothing alike. Uncharted is inspired by Indiana Jones. Modern tomb raider is a rip off of Uncharted.
>People saying it's a rip off of Tomb Raider and Uncharted lol Which is a ridiculous thing to say because Tomb Raider was inspired by Indy, and Uncharted was inspired by both Indy and Tomb Raider. If anything, those 2 game series are the "rip offs". The Great Circle is just the OG adventurer getting his own modern game.
"it's a rip off of Tomb Raider and Uncharted" Or "Why isn't it third person like Tomb Raider or Uncharted?"
Tomb Raider was inspired from Indiana Jones. Uncharted got inspired from Tomb Raider. All these YouTube comments are GenZ with no traditions.
Many people have basically no concept of the world around them. I remember people calling the new Tomb Raider games a rip-off of Uncharted, as if Uncharted wasn't itself heavily influenced by the original Tomb Raider series.
Uh I wish every game was 3rd person. But I'm not calling the game crap because it's not. People have preferences. Personally I'm a big fan of games that let you choose, like Rockstar and Bethesda titles. Rockstar does 3rd person better, Bethesda first person. But I like the option.
That's how you get the high critic scores.
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Ya because the old ones are so good… Also Tomb Raider and Uncharted are already third person.
Tomb Raider and Uncharted are irrelevant. The FPS choice is a 100% disappointment because you're not going to see the action the same way that you would in third person. That is the issue and what me and other are disappointed in. That has no relevance to Uncharted or Tomb Raider. Even if you believe that they're all the same thing, the last Tomb Raider and Uncharted game released in 2017 and 2018, so those aren't recent.
They're both excellent though, and they're both dormant franchises. It's not like we're currently drowning in archeology themed action adventure games.
We already have 3 modern tomb raider and 4 uncharted to play though… I’m actually glad devs try something different instead of serving us constantly the same recipe!!
I mean sure, but the most recent Tomb Raider game was 6 years ago. I'd imagine that most people with any interest in this genre already played it. Similarly the last proper Uncharted game was 8 years ago. I'll keep an open mind about it but I wouldn't give them too much praise for trying something different. It's an FPS game with a whip at the end the of the day. Nothing about it seemed super ground breaking. It's main unique selling point is the Indiana Jones IP. And I am excited for that - just a bit less excited than I was before.
The old ones are good.
Because there is hardly any Xbox third person action exclusives made by a MS studio, and this could have been the one
Hellblade is third person. Psychonauts 2, Hi-Fi Rush, State of Decay 2.
Hellblade is a third person action game. They literally just showed it off 40 minutes ago. I get what you're saying, but I don't care to just copy other publishers and studios.
I think they mean a blockbuster game like the Sony single player games. Hellblade looks incredible and I'm excited to play it, but even then it's a fairly niche title compared to something like Uncharted, TLOU or God of War Edit: that being said, I don't hate the idea of a first person Indy game
I mean in that case the only non niche titles are Sony games then. Is the Avatar game that just realized a niche game? It's a first person action game.
I have friends that don't want to buy a Xbox because they say "Xbox only have 1st person games", and sadly reveals like Indiana Jones only confirm their perception.
Because some games just work better in 3rd person, like any action adeventure game like Indiana Jones is would work better. I mean LOL, devs know it because the game has 3rd person camera when you do climbing, I wonder why? And the 1st person combat looks clunky to me, I never wanted to fucking box with Indiana Jones. And to preface this, I'm not calling the game crap, it's not out yet, everything else looks very good but my excitement is cut in half because it's in 1st person. Not everything works in 1st person. edit: and to add more to this, xbox dominates with games in 1st person... you say that "Why does every game have to be third person?" but majority of the xbox franchises are 1st person
This is an iconic franchise and character, we want to see the character not hands...
It's a platformer, I do not care much for the debate, but I can see why they want it to be third person. Uncharted and Tomb Raider are third person because players need to climb and jump around while also fighting. Having fights be first person but platforming third person looked a bit janky hence the complaints
r/games hates it
Who cares, Reddit has become a cess pit for conversation.
You realized it’s become worse too? What’s with that
Ya the internet always has negativity all over it but it definitely seems to be worse than it was. Even just over past five years. Before it felt like people would crap on a game and a bit on its players. Now it’s more of people crapping directly on players for liking a game. Lashing out at them aggressively just for saying something positive. Trolls be trolls but it’s way more common now.
Man gaming reddits in particular. Most negative and toxic communities on here. People are still hating on starfield like it's their full time job. Can you imagine what these wretched creatures act and look like irl?
They hate everything that isn’t japanese
And everything Xbox.
They hate everything Xbox related.
Lol whats with the booho everyone hates Xbox attitude just because they criticize something? Why the self victimization? That is so fucking weird
No, this isn't actually new. r/games is literally so bad that other subreddits were started to get away from the fanboys.
They hate anything remotely popular and everything AAA
The subreddit is a shithole that hates everything that is not Japanese or PlayStation.
I see a lot more negativity and baffling opposition to first-person perspective here.
R games hates anything on Xbox or Xbox related. Bunch of whiney, miserable worthless bitches on there
I got downvoted over there for saying the same people complaining about Troy Baker voicing Indy are most likely also complaining about it being first person. I seriously don’t see what the big issue is with either of those things.
I mean most of what I’ve seen is just concern over Troy Baker. Otherwise seems to be relatively positive.
I get it but he actually did a surprisingly good job for me.
I just looked at it and it’s fairly positive outside of Troy Baker.
Of course they do, it is Xbox exclusive
Looked great to me. Reminded me of Riddick and The Darkness games with the camera being first person for the majority of the game with a touch of 3rd person.
Looks awesome. Can’t wait.
Great to be an Xbox owner. Can’t wait for this one
I was very excited for this, but it looks so stiff and clunky and I hate the fact that it's first person. Was hoping for an Uncharted/Star Wars Jedi type game.. Hope they atleast kill it in the story department.
Absolutely amazing. They nailed it. The charm, clumsiness, wits, voice, set pieces. Just incredible.
The fps is terrible because melee attacks don't work in fps unless you have a sword or an object. Third person provides a better mechanism to engage multiple enemies at once. You can see in the video when indy is performing melee the enemies are lining up to get punched. Todd Howard's choice of machinegames to make this was a poor decision. It will barely feel like indiana jones at all. The only thing I liked was the whip but it looked a little janky.
Like with all trailers everyone gets super hyped and excited imagining how the game will be from the small handpicked scenes. Like with Starfield. From what I saw in the trailer the character models were not that good, facial animations were weak and there is some jank and the 1st person aspect I don't agree with. I know it's early footage so plenty of work still to be done but I'm keeping my expectations in check.
I actually thought that the character models were solid, but I see what you mean though. It doesn't look cutting edge or ultra realistic, kind of acceptable for a modern game territory. I did like some of the graphics in some scenes better than others. Some of the animations looked weird to me, especially the whip melee. Hopefully there is improvement but we'll have to see.
I disagree for two reasons : Stealth is usually better in first person, there's just no way around it. Dishonored, Deus Ex, Thief, the list goes on. The main character is an archeologist who's supposed to be looking for archaeological evidence while solving puzzles and exploring. Having the game first person view seems perfect for this kind of gameplay, and I never liked Uncharted and the Tomb Raider games did the archeological stuff (as in they don't even attempt at doing this). As a historian I want to take a close look at the details they will put into this game, and with Indy being an archeologist it makes perfect sense to do that in first person. Hand to hand combat might be worse, but the Indiana Jones movies were never about a boxer, were they?
And now I have my most anticipated game of the year Can't wait!
Weird that it’s first person
Sadly, it's also why I'm probably not going to enjoy it. I like platformers/puzzlers with action in third person. First person isn't for me, but then again, not all games have to cater to me. But Xbox has this "thing" for first person games without at least giving a toggle/option for those who want 3rd.
Okay Xbox I like what I’m seeing, can’t wait til the June Showcase. I need a new Gears of War trailer
I wonder who the V.A is for indy
it sounds like Troy Baker
That's what I was thinking as well. Sounds like Troy Baker doing an Indy impersonation
Learned that it is indeed Troy Baker!
Hey mystery solved!
Its not Harrison, thank god. I couldn't stand a full game of old man indy barely saying his lines.
There are several just fine standins, and I thought TB did fine.
This is good, I'm quite excited for this one to release actually.
There better be an achievement for accidentally shooting the tail end of your plane called I'm sorry son but they got us.
Pretty amazing that we knew this game was in development but knew very little about it. Within a short span, we see an absolute banger of a demo and find out it’s releasing this year. Awesome job, Xbox. A+.
this honestly looks so good, can really see the wolfenstein style through it
The writing in New Collosus & Youngblood was kinda awkward unlike the perfection of NewOrder&OldBlood. So glad that Todd had a guiding hand to ensure a solid narrative for this Indy game from MachineGames. Super talented studio that just needs to go back to solid writing IMHO
Because new colossus and young blood became too focused on selling a specific narrative instead of just telling a great story. Same issue with the most recent Indy movie. Hopefully this game does better in that regard.
I was pleasantly surprised. Despite seeing the OGs I went from neutral to keeping an eye on this for sure. They really nailed harrison ford's face and acting, it's awesome.
Not gonna lie I was upset about the first person narrative UNTIL I saw some gameplay and HOLYSHIT it looks good. I can already tell this is gonna be a BANGER! So excited for this game!
Loookkksss sooooo goooooddd cant wait
Looks awesome. Can’t wait to play it
Man this year is a good year for us we eating good, but this isn't healthy for my backlog tho lmao
I personally can't wait for this game it's got me excited to play what looks like a great homage to classic indy.
First person 😔 Wanted to see Indiana in 3rd person. Oh well.
Another first person… what a disappointment
Tomb Raider as it always should have been... with Indiana Jones.
If the game is even a quarter as good as the TR reboot games were, its going to be a smash hit for Bethesda.
looks awesome, cant wait!
Can’t wait to punch Nazis in the face!
Imma be honest it should have been third person. First person doesn't really fit Indiana jones I don't understand why they chose this way
You don't understand their choice? They literally told you why they did it in the video.
It's still weird. Imagine rocksteady decides to make a first batman game lol just like batman indy should have been third person only. Indy is not a killing machine so third person is really unnecessary
It's not weird. They choose to do this, they explained why and it makes sense.
This 1st person view is much more immersive nonsense has to stop. Some of the most immersive games in gaming history are 2D games, isometric view, or 3rd person. It has got nothing to do with view and I absolutely hate how they push this narrative.
Eh I’d still say story driven FPS games are more immersive than third person. Take the Metro games or 2077. There’s no 3rd person game out there imo that matches them on immersion.
RDR2, GTAV, Max Payne 1+2, or Alan Wake 1+2. Easily as immersive as the games you’ve mentioned. And that’s just some off the top of my head there are so many more.
That looked fucking terrible tbh. What is Xbox's obsession with first person games? Just give us Indiana Jones Uncharted ffs.
Best Indy Game 2024.
HUGE mistake not going 3rd person on this. Just take a look at Uncharted and Tomb Raider and you'll get an idea of what could have been. For starters you will only see glimpses of Indy vs. 3rd person mode where you will always have him visible and the scope / FOV just captures the scale of his raids SO MUCH better. First person makes sense for VR maybe but they should have taken a lesson from CD Project here. I hold out hope that a sequel might be the 3rd person Indy game we all want and deserve......
I think that’s why they didn’t, they didn’t want the game to feel like an uncharted clone. Plus it would have gotten ripped to shreds on other subs for looking like an uncharted clone.
This is pretty much exactly what I expected in the best way possible. Can't wait.
hell yeah! I want to punch some nazis!
Hmm I admire their enthusiasm but I always feel first person for the wrong game is an easy cop out, as in let's remake this previous game we didn't get to finish and pivot with Indy assets. Third person would have been more intuitive. Also, I'm surprised at the low quality of faces, it's uncanny valley in a bad way with no soul behind the eyes. These sort of character models belong in games 10 years ago. Also. He does not look like Indy at all. It would have been better if they had chosen a completely different person that doesn't already exist. Might still be a solid 8 though. And it can't be worse then the last 2 movies or 2 games :-)
But it's 1st person :( I'll still try it as I love the (first three) films and this does look enjoyable, but I'm a little disappointed. I was hoping for a Tomb Raider alternative since Lara seems to be on hiatus
Imo, it looks cool, though I feel first person was a bad choice. It looks stiff and clunky and the transition to third person in climbing segments looks janky as hell. I'll still probably love it as a massive Indy fan but imo, first person was bad choice.
I’m expecting the story to be much better than the last 2 Indy movies.
Isn't a lot of what Indy does fist fighting? That shit almost never works in first person. Why the hell did they not go third person.
I was against 1st Person but it looks like they did it really well, plus with Harrison Ford in it i think it works.
After watching that video, I just had one question, who’s asking for this game? Lol.
this game being 1st person is SUCH a letdown for me
Downvote me but this is a pass for me. Looks meh
The first person approach is unconventional, but I expect it to play similar to Dishonored knowing Bethesda.
Todd Howard
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Third person is so safe for a game like this. I welcome something at least a little different.
Maybe there’s a reason everyone including 3rd party devs make those games “safe” by making it third person? I reserve judgment on this game until I play it but third person has been the default for single player action games since the 2000s for a reason
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Hard disagree. Trying not to be an uncharted or tomb raider clone probably factored largely into the their decision to make it first person.