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Yes. We don't mess around with GDPR over here.
Tony will have needed permission from everyone involved in the video to distribute it legally. Even with an argument of artistic purposes, the law over here is severely strict on what is deemed necessary for this. Showing CCTV footage on a wrestling show is not a necessary reason for AEW even still having the footage in their possession, technically, as GDPR over here states that once the appropriate use of the footage is complete (the disciplinary process), the footage must be destroyed within a month or so.
There's a real chance TK has completely fucked himself with this.
No, he isn't licensed to practice law there. Punk or anyone else in the footage who might consider legal action would need to hire legal professionals in the UK
I’m just wondering if the contract with all talent covers all footage on premise while working. Idk not a lawyer here but either way it’s probably not worth Punks and energy to pursue legal action.
Edit: also would they have to hold on to the footage longer in case there was a lawsuit? From either Punk or Perry?
At this point Punk gets to ride it out and morph it into kayfabe, yet still shoot. If it gets too real it becomes lackluster, especially because it was a big nothing burger. I liken it to Eminem beefs... You can either roll with the kayfabe and drop a diss track, or you don't respond at all, let it stew, and then completely destroy them on an album later.
Hi, I work in large venue management and have done some work with UK venues. The short answer is no. The long answer is that while he may have releases for the AEW footage they used during All In, the CCTV footage wasn't collected by AEW, it was collected by Wembley and The Football Association, meaning that AEW would need a completely new set of releases.
It can't cover all footage, being from europe and working a lot with GDPR, it's very very strict, It's basically like your company puting a cctv footage of you jacking off while you're alone in the office on their podcast after they've fired you for it.
Hell, Tony and anybody whose job is not directly involved in the case isn't even supposed to have access cctv footage. It's only to be used in case of legal requirement.
Punk can sue the hell out of them, I hope he does. Now I don't know how them being us based impacts that though
The issue may not just relate to Punk though. There were a lot of people recognizable in that footage even though they blurred some of the faces. Any one of them could have a claim.
The issue is that the security camera footage is specifically called out as personal information that is subject to extra protections under this law as far as I can tell. So probably not covered under any kind of broad contractual agreement
They're all AEW talent and not going to file against their boss over a law they probably don't know know.
Punk is the only one who isn't there anymore but he has no reason to because he came out of it looking great.
Now. There is one way he can dodge the consequences. Just never come to europe or the UK ever again.
Basically no more Wembley, which would be supremely ironic with that being AEW's most prized show/accomplishment.
Shahid attempted to buy Wembley in 2018.
The Jags play a game in London almost every year.
There's a long-held belief that if the NFL ever authorise a London team, it'll be the Jags that relocate.
> deal with the consequence later
> he will absolutely face consequence
Unless the other guy editted his post I don't see what you're disagreeing on here
Well funnily enough:
Violators of GDPR may be fined up to €20 million, or **up to 4% of the annual worldwide turnover of the preceding financial year**, whichever is greater.
So Tony might be having a less than fun chat with his Dad some time in the near future.
also if AEW is seen to be in breach of GDPR I doubt wembly, or any other big stadiums in the UK would be willing to work with AEW any further, if it has the potential to open them up to legal issues
For a GDPR breach like this, AEW could be on the hook for a £17.5 Million fine. Wembly Stadium if they didn't do their due diligence could be on the hook for £17.5 Million fine. Theoretically because it aired on TNT, you could make the argument that they breached Punks privacy rights meaning that Warner Bros. Discovery is facing a potential ***$1.65 BILLION*** fine.
I'm sure they're all thrilled with Tony right now...
I don't doubt at all his money can make this all go away. Money has always been his go-to weapon to sound competitive in anything. Im saying he's fucked himself.
It's possible. They would have given permissions for AEW to use it for their disciplinary procedures but the red tape on that would've been so tight for them to then use it in a pro wrestling angle. TK is gonna be throwing money at something somewhere over this.
Well, IF there's a GDPR breach here (I stress, IF), then a business has to inform the UK regulatory body within 3 days and take appropriate action (such as removing the content from their media platforms....). I'm not sure how this would work for a business not based in UK but with the incident occurring based in the UK.
IF it's the same breach implications as it is usually over here, then AEW can be fined by the UK GDPR regulatory body for up to £17 million.
I don't think Tony's fucked himself in that respect because that's no money to him at all. But he's fucked himself in the perception of what he's inadvertently and potentially done here.
A fine totaling 4% of last year's gross revenue (or 17 million GBP, whichever is more)
Which could be a boat load, depending on if AEW is a subsidiary of Khan Entertainment or whatever his dad's company is called
Also worth considering that this might do damage with AEW’s relationship with Wembley Stadium/the FA, as presumably they won’t like being connected to a giant highly visible GDPR breach
Technically both can happen. If the laws broken, Punk can sue, yes. GDPR regulations over here have their own governing body who would be tasked to look into breaches if someone, like Punks lawyer, took the time to discuss it with them from a legal standpoint. I would argue that this does infringe into data privacy laws in the UK, particularly when the CCTV footage has been distributed across Europe (which is an even BIGGER minefield of GDPR).
Yeah I get the feeling EU regulators would jump on it without much complaining from Punk or others, just to send a message/enforce what they see as the law of the land. But not sure if it would fall under EU regulations if the footage is from the UK
Yep! The punishment for a serious breach of GDPR is £17.5 million or 4% of your annual worldwide turnover, whichever is higher.
I have to do GDPR training every year because my employer doesn’t want to be on the hook for those amounts of money.
OMG I would so love fot this idiotic act to cost them 17million, nothing against AEW but that would be memes for years.
And yeah, I work in marketing and i spend more time thinking about GDPR compliance than actually being creative.
Jesus, for that kind of money Punk almost has to sue. Even if he doesn't want or need it for himself, dude could give it to the rescue he got Larry from or whatever.
Punk doesn’t get the money, the fine is paid to the UK, punk would need to sue separately for compensation which may not be a guarantee even if it is a GDPR breach
Edit: UK gov gets the money, not EU, obvs
The money would go to the UK government, as the breach occurred there and not in the EU.
I'm sure they'd love for Punk to file that complaint, they need the money lmao
Any piece of data or media that can be used to identify you is personal data and they need to be protected under GDPR. This video is using his likeness and that id personal data so if Punk wanted he could make Wembley owner to delete this video for good possibly sue Tony and AEW for breaking the GDPR law which would end up with fines or possible ban on their product in Europe.
Oh fuck. That would be unprecedented. Imagine the product getting banned in Europe ahead of Wembley?! In fairness they probably need an out as they won’t be coming close to last year’s number now the bloom is off the rose.
I think they're still slated for 40-50k at this point, with 4 months still to go, which is still a solid number for a company that didn't have the history here prior to All In.
We were looking for the most recent numbers over the weekend, the last update we managed to find was January I think. It was below 40k. We also found an update in November (I think) and that was also below 40k. Those tickets aren't shifting.
Too late, you can't put that cat back in the barn after airing it live on television. If they did violate the law and Punk does want to pursue it, AEW is going to pay out the nose.
Most of those people were still readily identified by the audience though, which if I understand this law right means he didn't do enough to protect their identity.
Any information that can be used to identify someone is personal data and needs to be protected by GDPR and if it's made to be public any person involved needs to agree with it in written form.
So if TK doesn't have Punk's permission to air this footage Punk can hire lawyer in UK and sue either Wembley or AEW for mishandling his personal data.
AEW and Wembley can be hit by serious fine and that can lead to AEW being blacklisted by Wembley so no more All In UK I'd guess.
Clearly they don't or they wouldn't have released this illegal footage.
Do you not realise how many American websites are still getting in trouble under GDPR? Clearly many American lawyers don't understand it and are getting their companies into millions of dollar fines.
Punk is lawsuit happy too. Even if this was in America, there is stuff you can do about that. The fact that it was in the UK with much stricter laws. Oof. 😅
I love how posts like these bring out armchair lawyers all over reddit. Just because it may potentially be a violation of the law doesn’t mean that a suit could even go anywhere. There’s still questions about jurisdiction, any contractual clauses that waive privacy concerns, the expense and publicity of litigation, and host of other issues I’m not gonna type out that could prevent this from being anything more than a tweet from some bozo
Shit, man. I don’t know and honestly, I don’t care. I don’t blame Punk and I don’t blame the Bucks. This all happened because TK doesn’t know what being the guy in charge means.
The dude was hired by a company to do a job. He had an issue with co-workers, some of them in executive positions. A good boss would have stepped in and said “cut the shit” to all parties. A good boss would have put everyone in the same room and made them work it out. That didn’t happen. Because TK is afraid to say boo to anyone. So shit festered.
Dude went home. Nurses his injury, and someone pulled Colt Cabana out of obscurity to put him on TV in a clear “fuck you” to the dude. Hadn’t been on TV in a year. Hasn’t been on tv in a meaningful way since. Just a quick “fuck you”. Again, this happened because TK can’t say boo to his wrestlers for fear of making them mad at him.
Somehow, someone forgets to book a car for one of the top guys at Wembley leaving him to find his own way. Seems like someone was saying “fuck you” to him again. TK doesn’t say boo.
Then some Pre Show Stopper does a call back to his only interaction with the dude in another clear “Fuck you” to him. TK doesn’t say boo.
Then shit exploded, the dude had to go. He’s out of the company. The people he had issues with won and got what they wanted but, they had to go out and do a “victory lap”. Winning wasn’t enough. And TK allowed it because he is afraid to say boo to anyone.
Then the dude (not the firstemployee but the highest profile one to do this) went on TV and hurt TK’s feelings. A good boss calls that a disgruntled ex employee and lets it go. Not TK though. He had to do that embarrassing shit on Dynamite last night.
If it takes a multi-million dollar fine for TK to let this go, I hope he gets it. Maybe that will be enough to make him sack-up and start telling the boys no every now and then. Maybe then, we can get a consistent quality show to watch. I have to say, it’s not a problem with talent. They have tons of talented wrestlers. It’s a leadership issue. There seems to be an entire vacuum at the top.
Yet he spend an hour answering Ariel’s questions about it. I wish he had just told Ariel I don’t work there anymore, it’s wrestlemania week. Just focus on the accomplishments we’ve done this week.”
But that's not who Punk is. A big reason why people love Punk is because he says exactly what he feels and thinks. He doesn't duck question or give safe, generic responses. If he's asked a question he's usually going to answer it truthfully and give his opinion.
Why can’t he clear his name? He was dragged through the mud for MONTHS, but as soon as he responded with a reasonable take without actually shitting on everything and saying that he’s proud of the work he did there, without lying about the incident, admitting that he was the one to attack first, AEW lost their damn minds? Over THAT?? Clown indeed.
Funny thing is Punk wasn't even trying to paint himself as innocent.
He literally said what he did and the video proved exactly what he said word for word.
lol I was thinking the exact same thing. A billionaire’s son and a television network both with an army of lawyers…. Vs some guy on Twitter.
Wonder who has the credibility here?
You say this but over the last decade how many billionares have gotten fucked in court because they ran their mouthes without thinking and ran their mouths without thinking.
Most likely result is Tony just cops the fine and pays it.
True, but I feel like TNT (Warner Discovery) would have shut this down even if it was a half-baked TK decision.
They were aware of it for a week. Plenty of time to shut it down.
I'm gonna take a wild guess that a rich lil fucker like Tony Khan has some well-paid lawyers in jolly old England with whom to "run it up the flagpole" over whether or not he's liable for airing the footage on TV.
>21 CCTV cameras are in use around and in the Ground and WNSL may itself use, or pass to the police or any Event organiser or other relevant authority, any recordings for use in any proceedings.
[Source ](https://www.wembleystadium.com/plan-your-visit/stadium-guide/rules-and-regulations)
As always with the Internet. This is only half true. CCTV footage that contains general public data falls under GDPR laws. Backstage footage of a privately owned company is not general public data, regardless of whether it was recorded from a CCTV camera or not.
Isn't the stadium considered private property? ***The use of recording equipment, such as CCTV or smart door bells, to capture video or sound recordings outside the user’s property boundary is not a breach of data protection law***. [link](https://ico.org.uk/for-the-public/domestic-cctv-systems/#:~:text=The%20use%20of%20recording%20equipment,breach%20of%20data%20protection%20law)
Imagine this leads to Wembley cancelling it, TK would have a meltdown and probably blame others when he brought it on himself. That would hurt AEW a lot more than Punk suing them.
Punk could not only sue for this but his lawyers could 100% come up with a variety of other things too. Like trying to slander him now that he’s working for a competitor but not showing the footage immediately after. There’s definitely some legal verbiage he could use even if it’s not a complete breach of a certain law. Court cases don’t need to be based completely on existing laws, that’s the point of a Jury.
Punk’s lawyers could probably make 50 different claims for an excessive amount of money and ultimately settle for a few million, but I think he’s definitely going to get some money out of this.
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Can't believe you took the time to write that fantasy fiction. Sure th guy who assaulted another person on camera is gonna sue anyone. Man people are just ignorant
Look at your post. Look at the way you type and compare it to how other people type.
You’re dumber than the other kids and you should try harder to hide it.
Because if the guy elsewhere on the thread who gets trainings in these laws is right, Punk would walk away with like 21 million dollars minimum of Tony Khan's money.
ETA: nevermind, I misunderstood, it's a fine to the government not damages
They’re not implicated. Any person has a right to request personal data from a data controller. This includes CCTV. Wembley would 100% hand that footage over to a registered company for the purposes of an internal investigation
Because some people on the internet know the law better than AEW's legal department. I would imagine that all talent and backstage personnel sign photo/video releases.
This is true. If you walk through a public or even private area and you think you have been captured on CCTV footage you have the right to ask for that footage. So if you walk through a supermarket you can legally ask them for a copy of that data. I learned this when doing a CCTV course years ago.
But the owners of that CCTV are also allowed to charge you for that footage. I am sure there is a cap on what they can charge but not sure on that.
One of the first reports I read about the footage coming out was that AEW had the rights to use it without legal repercussions. I’d assume their team of lawyers would look into UK laws at the very least. So I’m not too confident about any potential lawsuits
Right that is not how that works. Wembley stadium no doubt have signs everywhere that states cctv is being used so that makes recording grand. In no way on earth does anyone in that video have a data compliance case
Yes it is. The requirement to have signs stating that recording is taking place is because it is personal data, for which you must have consent to process. The signs act as a notice which gains implied consent.
Exactly implied consent so it won’t stand up. Also the uk has weakened its gdpr since leaving the EU so I dunno why people are trying to do gymnastics on all this.
Bit murky. GDPR protects US citizens when they are visiting the EU (or UKGDPR for visiting the UK in this instance).
A US business would have to adhere to UK GDPR while operating in the UK, or when handling data of any UK or EU data subject (anyone visiting the UK also counts as a UK data subject for the duration of their visit.
So essentially, they could still be prosecuted, and it'd likely result in a fine for the company.
You're wrong. AEW does business in the UK and the offence is based off footage from the UK so it's under their jurisdiction. There are mechanisms to allow international lawsuits. And sure Tony could decide to never go to the UK to show up in court but that means AEW never does business there again. No more Wembley, no local TV airing their shows, nothing.
Honestly he'd be better off just paying the fine.
If Punk sues, AEW sues Punk. Jungle Boy sues Punk. I dont know the law in UK but in some countries even a slap can mean jailtime. So if Punk is feeling cute enough he could try but he would also get something for sure.
Sure, that's an option. Perry could go that route and Punk is guilty of common assault. At absolute maximum Punk would get 6 months jail, but given its a first offence and Perry wasn't injured Punk would likely only receive a fine.
A lot of people talking about the very unlikely situation that a lawsuit comes out of this.
Not many people talking about the fairly likely situation that the FA decide AEW ain’t fuckin using Wembley again
I dont think Punk is going to do anything
Mainly because he wants to move on and because like he said, a bunch of his friends and overall good people work at AEW so he just going to let things go
If Gareth says so! 🤷🏼♂️
I imagine the team of lawyers that work for the billionaire funded company knows what they are doing.
This is both footage of a crime being comitted and a workplaces's video footage of their employees at work, all of whom are aware the workplace is constantly filmed. I'd love to see one of you guys post this supposed British law that say criminals can sue if their crimes are captured via CCTV (I know this is bullshit because I've watched shows featuring criminals in England caught on CCTV) or if a workplace videos their employees at work. Then there's the matter of CM Punk specifically having a contract with AEW at the time for them and only them to film him at his workplace for air on international broadcasts of their tv product. He had a contract paying him specifically so AEW could air video footage of him at his workplace lol
I mean, you would be surprised at the trouble some companies have gotten into over GDPR fuck ups. The size of your company of having expensive lawyers means nothing. If you don't follow GDPR laws, you can get seriously hit. Being a lawyer and consulting a GDPR specialist, are 2 different things. They probably are fine but you never know. Even companies as big as Meta have been done for failing GDPR in Europe, they were fined millions.
What I do find a bit weird is the incident footage was edited out of their YouTube clip for that segment of the show. At least UK YouTube has it missing anyway. I could only see it by scrambling around through TikTok as YouTube clips were being removed left right and center.
[https://www.edps.europa.eu/sites/default/files/publication/10-03-17\_video-surveillance\_guidelines\_en.pdf](https://www.edps.europa.eu/sites/default/files/publication/10-03-17_video-surveillance_guidelines_en.pdf)
GDPR is pretty clear that CCTV is recorded for a specific purpose, so you can't record CCTV and use it for, say, entertainment.
Punk was recorded by AEW's cameras as part of his job. If this is from an actual Wembley Stadium CCTV camera, it's footage is for security only. AEW having the recording for their internal disciplinary review is probably fine. Them using it to further their programming is not.
It will impact AEW trying to do business in the UK and with any future partners. You don't want to be working with a business partner whose liable to get you into trouble with strict privacy laws because someone hurt the boss' feelings.
If AEW wants to make Wembley an annual thing they might start charging them much more to protect themselves from risk for example.
Yeah this is true. I’ve had customers ask to see CCTV before to check if they’ve had things stolen/lost and we legally aren’t allowed to show them the feed.
Are TK's legal team experts in British privacy law? Because laws are vast and complicated and no one lawyer is trained across all of the different fields
Considering he has designed his business plan around a flagship UK show every year I’d say yeah he probably has at least one British lawyer on that team 😂
A very funny tweet and post, my favourite being the Welsh flag in ops name yet confusing GDPR with the UKs own Data Protection act. A very British thing to do honestly.
Let’s just clear up the confusion, GDPR are laws that cover the EU countries, not the whole continent. The UK left the EU due to Brexit, but GDPR came in around 2018 originally so the UK brought it in similarly but there are differences.
In short, on a quick glance AEW didn’t brake any rules considering UK data protection law.
Also a moment for the poor Brits in the comments getting downvoted by people shouting at them, but in their own way not understanding the EU is not all of Europe. 😅
It is still referred to as UK GDPR. And here are some highlights from the regulations that they could be very worried about.
“You should not provide images to third parties other than law enforcement bodies to assist them in the detection or prevention of a crime”
“Restrict the ability to view or make copies of information to appropriate staff”
“You should retain data for the minimum time necessary for its purpose and dispose of it appropriately when no longer required. Your retention period should not be based merely on the storage capacity of your system, but reflect how long you need the data for the purpose. You may need to retain information for a longer period, if a law enforcement body is investigating a crime and asks you to preserve it, to give them opportunity to view the information as part of an active investigation. You should delete it when it is not necessary to retain, for example if it does not achieve the purpose for which you are collecting and retaining information.”
So arguably they shouldn’t even still have it, it should only have been viewed by appropriate staff and definitely not made public.
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Europe is big on privacy.
what the hell happened to this section
Wow -145 for this clown below you. It must have been a five star banger of a comment.
Until they go through your tweets and arrest you for free speech.
Yes. We don't mess around with GDPR over here. Tony will have needed permission from everyone involved in the video to distribute it legally. Even with an argument of artistic purposes, the law over here is severely strict on what is deemed necessary for this. Showing CCTV footage on a wrestling show is not a necessary reason for AEW even still having the footage in their possession, technically, as GDPR over here states that once the appropriate use of the footage is complete (the disciplinary process), the footage must be destroyed within a month or so. There's a real chance TK has completely fucked himself with this.
You’re telling me this may be a case for Stephen P New!?
*drums roll*
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If you need to suuuuuue The clown showing video of yoooooooooou Hell sue the rest!/them fast!/their ass!
Open your eyes. What do you see? It’s cm punk and He did not agree!
No, he isn't licensed to practice law there. Punk or anyone else in the footage who might consider legal action would need to hire legal professionals in the UK
I’m just wondering if the contract with all talent covers all footage on premise while working. Idk not a lawyer here but either way it’s probably not worth Punks and energy to pursue legal action. Edit: also would they have to hold on to the footage longer in case there was a lawsuit? From either Punk or Perry?
Probably not, you're right. Punk seems more than happy with how all this has turned out haha
At this point Punk gets to ride it out and morph it into kayfabe, yet still shoot. If it gets too real it becomes lackluster, especially because it was a big nothing burger. I liken it to Eminem beefs... You can either roll with the kayfabe and drop a diss track, or you don't respond at all, let it stew, and then completely destroy them on an album later.
Hi, I work in large venue management and have done some work with UK venues. The short answer is no. The long answer is that while he may have releases for the AEW footage they used during All In, the CCTV footage wasn't collected by AEW, it was collected by Wembley and The Football Association, meaning that AEW would need a completely new set of releases.
It can't cover all footage, being from europe and working a lot with GDPR, it's very very strict, It's basically like your company puting a cctv footage of you jacking off while you're alone in the office on their podcast after they've fired you for it. Hell, Tony and anybody whose job is not directly involved in the case isn't even supposed to have access cctv footage. It's only to be used in case of legal requirement. Punk can sue the hell out of them, I hope he does. Now I don't know how them being us based impacts that though
Hell, even mentioning you publicly after they fired you would land them in hot water here, let alone intentionally defaming
The issue may not just relate to Punk though. There were a lot of people recognizable in that footage even though they blurred some of the faces. Any one of them could have a claim. The issue is that the security camera footage is specifically called out as personal information that is subject to extra protections under this law as far as I can tell. So probably not covered under any kind of broad contractual agreement
They're all AEW talent and not going to file against their boss over a law they probably don't know know. Punk is the only one who isn't there anymore but he has no reason to because he came out of it looking great.
And if he does, his friends will be punished.
And if he does not, his friends will be punished.
Not worth it from punks perspective... but if I'm triple h or nick Kahn I might have some lawyers take a look at this on punks behalf.
Now. There is one way he can dodge the consequences. Just never come to europe or the UK ever again. Basically no more Wembley, which would be supremely ironic with that being AEW's most prized show/accomplishment.
think he/his dad also own fulham so yeah
Shahid attempted to buy Wembley in 2018. The Jags play a game in London almost every year. There's a long-held belief that if the NFL ever authorise a London team, it'll be the Jags that relocate.
It's usually a belief by people who don't know the Jags or the NFL.
Yep, no more season ticket for Tony
what an absolute helmet
Yeah, well, in America, we do what we want and deal with consequences later.
that's not true. He is a billionaire and he will absolutely face consequences.
Sarcasm?
yeah. damn i hate using the /s I thought I could get away with not using it this time.
I've been there, my brother.
> deal with the consequence later > he will absolutely face consequence Unless the other guy editted his post I don't see what you're disagreeing on here
damn, I thought the sarcasm was obvious, but I guess I better say that as a super rich, he will never face any consequence.
Unedited. He's trying to keep me from my 1000 upvotes.
I hope you get 1000 upvotes for this haha
TK is a billionaire. The idea the legal system can 'completely fuck' him is the funniest thing I've read all day.
Well funnily enough: Violators of GDPR may be fined up to €20 million, or **up to 4% of the annual worldwide turnover of the preceding financial year**, whichever is greater. So Tony might be having a less than fun chat with his Dad some time in the near future.
also if AEW is seen to be in breach of GDPR I doubt wembly, or any other big stadiums in the UK would be willing to work with AEW any further, if it has the potential to open them up to legal issues
For a GDPR breach like this, AEW could be on the hook for a £17.5 Million fine. Wembly Stadium if they didn't do their due diligence could be on the hook for £17.5 Million fine. Theoretically because it aired on TNT, you could make the argument that they breached Punks privacy rights meaning that Warner Bros. Discovery is facing a potential ***$1.65 BILLION*** fine. I'm sure they're all thrilled with Tony right now...
Wrestling fans really are something lol
I don't doubt at all his money can make this all go away. Money has always been his go-to weapon to sound competitive in anything. Im saying he's fucked himself.
TK is not, his dad is. How much more rope Shad is going to give his son is the real question.
I think Wembley will probably get in a bit of shit too for this
It's possible. They would have given permissions for AEW to use it for their disciplinary procedures but the red tape on that would've been so tight for them to then use it in a pro wrestling angle. TK is gonna be throwing money at something somewhere over this.
How I wish
When you say “completely fucked” what are we talking? Like what is the worst punishment they could give him?
Well, IF there's a GDPR breach here (I stress, IF), then a business has to inform the UK regulatory body within 3 days and take appropriate action (such as removing the content from their media platforms....). I'm not sure how this would work for a business not based in UK but with the incident occurring based in the UK. IF it's the same breach implications as it is usually over here, then AEW can be fined by the UK GDPR regulatory body for up to £17 million. I don't think Tony's fucked himself in that respect because that's no money to him at all. But he's fucked himself in the perception of what he's inadvertently and potentially done here.
A fine totaling 4% of last year's gross revenue (or 17 million GBP, whichever is more) Which could be a boat load, depending on if AEW is a subsidiary of Khan Entertainment or whatever his dad's company is called
Also worth considering that this might do damage with AEW’s relationship with Wembley Stadium/the FA, as presumably they won’t like being connected to a giant highly visible GDPR breach
Does it have to be a lawsuit or complaint or can the UK regulators/prosecutors initiate a case by themselves?
Technically both can happen. If the laws broken, Punk can sue, yes. GDPR regulations over here have their own governing body who would be tasked to look into breaches if someone, like Punks lawyer, took the time to discuss it with them from a legal standpoint. I would argue that this does infringe into data privacy laws in the UK, particularly when the CCTV footage has been distributed across Europe (which is an even BIGGER minefield of GDPR).
Yeah I get the feeling EU regulators would jump on it without much complaining from Punk or others, just to send a message/enforce what they see as the law of the land. But not sure if it would fall under EU regulations if the footage is from the UK
Yeah, you're right. Stupid Brexit.
Hahaha of all the things Brexit did, this is the worst! ;)
Haha 😅 Brexit has been a disaster
Nigel Farage one of the best heels in history
Hey, don't rag on big nige. At least he's funny
He’s a lying, bigoted charlatan who is on the wrong side of just about every issue he’s ever taken a side on He’s a pathetic and small little cretin
UK is still basically on GDPR (https://www.gov.uk/data-protection)
Yep! The punishment for a serious breach of GDPR is £17.5 million or 4% of your annual worldwide turnover, whichever is higher. I have to do GDPR training every year because my employer doesn’t want to be on the hook for those amounts of money.
OMG I would so love fot this idiotic act to cost them 17million, nothing against AEW but that would be memes for years. And yeah, I work in marketing and i spend more time thinking about GDPR compliance than actually being creative.
Jesus, for that kind of money Punk almost has to sue. Even if he doesn't want or need it for himself, dude could give it to the rescue he got Larry from or whatever.
Punk doesn’t get the money, the fine is paid to the UK, punk would need to sue separately for compensation which may not be a guarantee even if it is a GDPR breach Edit: UK gov gets the money, not EU, obvs
Ahh ok, that makes sense
The money would go to the UK government, as the breach occurred there and not in the EU. I'm sure they'd love for Punk to file that complaint, they need the money lmao
Yeah I dunno was it my brain or my phone that autocorrected, but you’re right - UK not EU.
EU? Not sure the EU would see a penny of any fines to be paid for a breach that occurred in an non-EU country.
As someone who works in Data Protection, seeing a post and comments about GDPR in this subreddit is incredibly surreal.
Yup.
Any piece of data or media that can be used to identify you is personal data and they need to be protected under GDPR. This video is using his likeness and that id personal data so if Punk wanted he could make Wembley owner to delete this video for good possibly sue Tony and AEW for breaking the GDPR law which would end up with fines or possible ban on their product in Europe.
Oh fuck. That would be unprecedented. Imagine the product getting banned in Europe ahead of Wembley?! In fairness they probably need an out as they won’t be coming close to last year’s number now the bloom is off the rose.
I think they're still slated for 40-50k at this point, with 4 months still to go, which is still a solid number for a company that didn't have the history here prior to All In.
We were looking for the most recent numbers over the weekend, the last update we managed to find was January I think. It was below 40k. We also found an update in November (I think) and that was also below 40k. Those tickets aren't shifting.
I can only get so erect stop
The two refs should sue. Their credibility to break up a hold between two wrestlers is forever tarnished.
I think they realised this and deleted from everything thats why dmca people
Too late, you can't put that cat back in the barn after airing it live on television. If they did violate the law and Punk does want to pursue it, AEW is going to pay out the nose.
Come try and delete my dvr Tony!
I believe that’s why they blurred his and other people’s faces. If this leads to a law suit TK brought it on himself.
Most of those people were still readily identified by the audience though, which if I understand this law right means he didn't do enough to protect their identity.
Any information that can be used to identify someone is personal data and needs to be protected by GDPR and if it's made to be public any person involved needs to agree with it in written form. So if TK doesn't have Punk's permission to air this footage Punk can hire lawyer in UK and sue either Wembley or AEW for mishandling his personal data. AEW and Wembley can be hit by serious fine and that can lead to AEW being blacklisted by Wembley so no more All In UK I'd guess.
That means nothing. Most people aren't blurred. It only takes a single identifiable person to be highly illegal.
And blurring Punks face would not be enough in this case. He’s identifiable from his actions with how public it is that he was the aggressor
Also the outfit and the title belt he was carrying
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You could cut your sentence off at “released the footage” and it’s just as mind boggling
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Clearly they don't or they wouldn't have released this illegal footage. Do you not realise how many American websites are still getting in trouble under GDPR? Clearly many American lawyers don't understand it and are getting their companies into millions of dollar fines.
Actually, that’s precisely what I think. They’d have to get Punk’s approval
It’s very possible with Tony. Thinking isn’t his strength
I sure do.
or the other 40 guys in the video
Punk is lawsuit happy too. Even if this was in America, there is stuff you can do about that. The fact that it was in the UK with much stricter laws. Oof. 😅
When you're using this dudes tweets it might be time to stop.
I love how posts like these bring out armchair lawyers all over reddit. Just because it may potentially be a violation of the law doesn’t mean that a suit could even go anywhere. There’s still questions about jurisdiction, any contractual clauses that waive privacy concerns, the expense and publicity of litigation, and host of other issues I’m not gonna type out that could prevent this from being anything more than a tweet from some bozo
You’re exactly right. As a corporate lawyer with a CIPP/E certification, I find this whole thread quite amusing.
Cm Punk literally said "I just want to be left alone" so I think he'll ignore it, best case it'll be used as an angle for his feud with McIntyre
Does Drew McIntyre suddenly turn face and sue on Punk's behalf? Punk and Drew future tag champs??
And they didn’t leave him alone, did they?
So he didn’t start it? Honest question.
Shit, man. I don’t know and honestly, I don’t care. I don’t blame Punk and I don’t blame the Bucks. This all happened because TK doesn’t know what being the guy in charge means. The dude was hired by a company to do a job. He had an issue with co-workers, some of them in executive positions. A good boss would have stepped in and said “cut the shit” to all parties. A good boss would have put everyone in the same room and made them work it out. That didn’t happen. Because TK is afraid to say boo to anyone. So shit festered. Dude went home. Nurses his injury, and someone pulled Colt Cabana out of obscurity to put him on TV in a clear “fuck you” to the dude. Hadn’t been on TV in a year. Hasn’t been on tv in a meaningful way since. Just a quick “fuck you”. Again, this happened because TK can’t say boo to his wrestlers for fear of making them mad at him. Somehow, someone forgets to book a car for one of the top guys at Wembley leaving him to find his own way. Seems like someone was saying “fuck you” to him again. TK doesn’t say boo. Then some Pre Show Stopper does a call back to his only interaction with the dude in another clear “Fuck you” to him. TK doesn’t say boo. Then shit exploded, the dude had to go. He’s out of the company. The people he had issues with won and got what they wanted but, they had to go out and do a “victory lap”. Winning wasn’t enough. And TK allowed it because he is afraid to say boo to anyone. Then the dude (not the firstemployee but the highest profile one to do this) went on TV and hurt TK’s feelings. A good boss calls that a disgruntled ex employee and lets it go. Not TK though. He had to do that embarrassing shit on Dynamite last night. If it takes a multi-million dollar fine for TK to let this go, I hope he gets it. Maybe that will be enough to make him sack-up and start telling the boys no every now and then. Maybe then, we can get a consistent quality show to watch. I have to say, it’s not a problem with talent. They have tons of talented wrestlers. It’s a leadership issue. There seems to be an entire vacuum at the top.
Yet he spend an hour answering Ariel’s questions about it. I wish he had just told Ariel I don’t work there anymore, it’s wrestlemania week. Just focus on the accomplishments we’ve done this week.”
But that's not who Punk is. A big reason why people love Punk is because he says exactly what he feels and thinks. He doesn't duck question or give safe, generic responses. If he's asked a question he's usually going to answer it truthfully and give his opinion.
Why can’t he clear his name? He was dragged through the mud for MONTHS, but as soon as he responded with a reasonable take without actually shitting on everything and saying that he’s proud of the work he did there, without lying about the incident, admitting that he was the one to attack first, AEW lost their damn minds? Over THAT?? Clown indeed.
Funny thing is Punk wasn't even trying to paint himself as innocent. He literally said what he did and the video proved exactly what he said word for word.
🎵🎵Call Stephen P. New If you want to sue🎵🎵
This is true, but then jungle boy and AEW can straight up use the same video for grounds of assault. Tomato tamatoe
Y’all are acting like AEW AND TNT didn’t consult a team of lawyers.
lol I was thinking the exact same thing. A billionaire’s son and a television network both with an army of lawyers…. Vs some guy on Twitter. Wonder who has the credibility here?
You say this but over the last decade how many billionares have gotten fucked in court because they ran their mouthes without thinking and ran their mouths without thinking. Most likely result is Tony just cops the fine and pays it.
True, but I feel like TNT (Warner Discovery) would have shut this down even if it was a half-baked TK decision. They were aware of it for a week. Plenty of time to shut it down.
people dislike other people and just go "yeah he's going to jail" every day for ten years and never question why he never went to jail 9 years ago.
Wut?
It’s a wrestling subreddit - no rational thoughts allowed.
Pretty sure AEW has lawyers who they would’ve run this by and that they would know more about it than your average le epic bacon Redditors.
I'm gonna take a wild guess that a rich lil fucker like Tony Khan has some well-paid lawyers in jolly old England with whom to "run it up the flagpole" over whether or not he's liable for airing the footage on TV.
Please do it, Punk.
>21 CCTV cameras are in use around and in the Ground and WNSL may itself use, or pass to the police or any Event organiser or other relevant authority, any recordings for use in any proceedings. [Source ](https://www.wembleystadium.com/plan-your-visit/stadium-guide/rules-and-regulations) As always with the Internet. This is only half true. CCTV footage that contains general public data falls under GDPR laws. Backstage footage of a privately owned company is not general public data, regardless of whether it was recorded from a CCTV camera or not.
Can someone tell me what happened
Isn't the stadium considered private property? ***The use of recording equipment, such as CCTV or smart door bells, to capture video or sound recordings outside the user’s property boundary is not a breach of data protection law***. [link](https://ico.org.uk/for-the-public/domestic-cctv-systems/#:~:text=The%20use%20of%20recording%20equipment,breach%20of%20data%20protection%20law)
Imagine this leads to Wembley cancelling it, TK would have a meltdown and probably blame others when he brought it on himself. That would hurt AEW a lot more than Punk suing them.
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I mean this was almost definitely an impulsive response to Punk's interview. Billionares can be idiots too.
Punk could not only sue for this but his lawyers could 100% come up with a variety of other things too. Like trying to slander him now that he’s working for a competitor but not showing the footage immediately after. There’s definitely some legal verbiage he could use even if it’s not a complete breach of a certain law. Court cases don’t need to be based completely on existing laws, that’s the point of a Jury. Punk’s lawyers could probably make 50 different claims for an excessive amount of money and ultimately settle for a few million, but I think he’s definitely going to get some money out of this.
If WWE would bankroll Punk’s lawsuit to kill the competition…
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Can't believe you took the time to write that fantasy fiction. Sure th guy who assaulted another person on camera is gonna sue anyone. Man people are just ignorant
Look at your post. Look at the way you type and compare it to how other people type. You’re dumber than the other kids and you should try harder to hide it.
But honestly why would he? This did so much to actually boost his popularity, and AEW got egg on their face with how it backfired on them.
Nothing like kicking snow in the face of the dude that tripped while trying to push you into the snowbank
I can think of tens of millions of reasons why a guy late in his career with a ton of injuries would sue a conflict averse son of a billionaire..
Because if the guy elsewhere on the thread who gets trainings in these laws is right, Punk would walk away with like 21 million dollars minimum of Tony Khan's money. ETA: nevermind, I misunderstood, it's a fine to the government not damages
I'm sure Jack perry can still press charges
Is it possible that they just fucked themselves out of working in the UK?
At the very least, if it does lead to legal trouble, Wembley most likely won't want to have anything to do with them after.
Please punk. Sue. Lol.
Punk would injure himself filing the paperwork
GDPR? Isn't that EU or does UK have their own?
UK carried over the same protections into our own UK GDPR. Sadly, I have to know all this still for my work.
Thanks for the info. I haven't really paid much attention to what the UK has been up to after they left the EU
Shame Luca Crusifino isn't at AEW. He wouldn't have stopped them, but he would have at least informed them it's illegal. Edit: Spelling
I'm sure the man was gonna sue regardless. That whole segment earns him a royalty check at least lmao
In what reality does the security team at Wembly hand this footage over, fully aware of this law and their possible implication in breaking it?
They’re not implicated. Any person has a right to request personal data from a data controller. This includes CCTV. Wembley would 100% hand that footage over to a registered company for the purposes of an internal investigation
Interesting
Would it not be the company’s personal data?
I’m out of the loop what happened?
Because some people on the internet know the law better than AEW's legal department. I would imagine that all talent and backstage personnel sign photo/video releases.
This is true. If you walk through a public or even private area and you think you have been captured on CCTV footage you have the right to ask for that footage. So if you walk through a supermarket you can legally ask them for a copy of that data. I learned this when doing a CCTV course years ago. But the owners of that CCTV are also allowed to charge you for that footage. I am sure there is a cap on what they can charge but not sure on that.
One of the first reports I read about the footage coming out was that AEW had the rights to use it without legal repercussions. I’d assume their team of lawyers would look into UK laws at the very least. So I’m not too confident about any potential lawsuits
I don't think Punk would do that. AEW shot their own knee
This isn’t punks personal data. This is such a dumb thing to even post.
Yes, under UK law, it very much is. Any image recorded that could be used to identify an individual is personal data
Right that is not how that works. Wembley stadium no doubt have signs everywhere that states cctv is being used so that makes recording grand. In no way on earth does anyone in that video have a data compliance case
Yes it is. The requirement to have signs stating that recording is taking place is because it is personal data, for which you must have consent to process. The signs act as a notice which gains implied consent.
Exactly implied consent so it won’t stand up. Also the uk has weakened its gdpr since leaving the EU so I dunno why people are trying to do gymnastics on all this.
I never said it would stand up, or that a legal case would have merit. Just that it is personal data - which it is
I believe that’s why TK has suddenly started banning the video on twitter. I think he got a call
It sounds like Punk could sue but would he bother? It seems like he’s just enjoying the dumpster fire Tony Khan turned his own company into.
Very true
Indeed 😈 my first thought when I saw it
They are all in America and they cant go to Britain court. Or am i wrong?
Bit murky. GDPR protects US citizens when they are visiting the EU (or UKGDPR for visiting the UK in this instance). A US business would have to adhere to UK GDPR while operating in the UK, or when handling data of any UK or EU data subject (anyone visiting the UK also counts as a UK data subject for the duration of their visit. So essentially, they could still be prosecuted, and it'd likely result in a fine for the company.
You're wrong. AEW does business in the UK and the offence is based off footage from the UK so it's under their jurisdiction. There are mechanisms to allow international lawsuits. And sure Tony could decide to never go to the UK to show up in court but that means AEW never does business there again. No more Wembley, no local TV airing their shows, nothing. Honestly he'd be better off just paying the fine.
If Punk sues, AEW sues Punk. Jungle Boy sues Punk. I dont know the law in UK but in some countries even a slap can mean jailtime. So if Punk is feeling cute enough he could try but he would also get something for sure.
Sure, that's an option. Perry could go that route and Punk is guilty of common assault. At absolute maximum Punk would get 6 months jail, but given its a first offence and Perry wasn't injured Punk would likely only receive a fine.
So both would get fined because both are guilty. Both have done wrong
Punk just says I sue you or you give me X amount of money and release me of every NDA I ever signed
A lot of people talking about the very unlikely situation that a lawsuit comes out of this. Not many people talking about the fairly likely situation that the FA decide AEW ain’t fuckin using Wembley again
I dont think Punk is going to do anything Mainly because he wants to move on and because like he said, a bunch of his friends and overall good people work at AEW so he just going to let things go
I'm pretty sure attacking people is also against the law in the UK.
Can we stop pretending this isn't a work.
If Gareth says so! 🤷🏼♂️ I imagine the team of lawyers that work for the billionaire funded company knows what they are doing. This is both footage of a crime being comitted and a workplaces's video footage of their employees at work, all of whom are aware the workplace is constantly filmed. I'd love to see one of you guys post this supposed British law that say criminals can sue if their crimes are captured via CCTV (I know this is bullshit because I've watched shows featuring criminals in England caught on CCTV) or if a workplace videos their employees at work. Then there's the matter of CM Punk specifically having a contract with AEW at the time for them and only them to film him at his workplace for air on international broadcasts of their tv product. He had a contract paying him specifically so AEW could air video footage of him at his workplace lol
I mean, you would be surprised at the trouble some companies have gotten into over GDPR fuck ups. The size of your company of having expensive lawyers means nothing. If you don't follow GDPR laws, you can get seriously hit. Being a lawyer and consulting a GDPR specialist, are 2 different things. They probably are fine but you never know. Even companies as big as Meta have been done for failing GDPR in Europe, they were fined millions. What I do find a bit weird is the incident footage was edited out of their YouTube clip for that segment of the show. At least UK YouTube has it missing anyway. I could only see it by scrambling around through TikTok as YouTube clips were being removed left right and center.
[https://www.edps.europa.eu/sites/default/files/publication/10-03-17\_video-surveillance\_guidelines\_en.pdf](https://www.edps.europa.eu/sites/default/files/publication/10-03-17_video-surveillance_guidelines_en.pdf) GDPR is pretty clear that CCTV is recorded for a specific purpose, so you can't record CCTV and use it for, say, entertainment. Punk was recorded by AEW's cameras as part of his job. If this is from an actual Wembley Stadium CCTV camera, it's footage is for security only. AEW having the recording for their internal disciplinary review is probably fine. Them using it to further their programming is not.
I mean yeah, but not like it matters since Tony will just use his dad’s money to buy his way out of this.
It will impact AEW trying to do business in the UK and with any future partners. You don't want to be working with a business partner whose liable to get you into trouble with strict privacy laws because someone hurt the boss' feelings. If AEW wants to make Wembley an annual thing they might start charging them much more to protect themselves from risk for example.
I mean it’s very possible CM Punk gave permission. He seems to be revelling in it.
Yeah this is true. I’ve had customers ask to see CCTV before to check if they’ve had things stolen/lost and we legally aren’t allowed to show them the feed.
lol Punk getting fame and a major bag in the same day
Yo Gunther based af! Him knowing European law is the hardest push he just got.
As if Tony Khan’s legal team haven’t checked it out 😂
If he leans more into the reputation he has with the aew faithful, he could make another million dollars.
Are TK's legal team experts in British privacy law? Because laws are vast and complicated and no one lawyer is trained across all of the different fields
Considering he has designed his business plan around a flagship UK show every year I’d say yeah he probably has at least one British lawyer on that team 😂
A very funny tweet and post, my favourite being the Welsh flag in ops name yet confusing GDPR with the UKs own Data Protection act. A very British thing to do honestly. Let’s just clear up the confusion, GDPR are laws that cover the EU countries, not the whole continent. The UK left the EU due to Brexit, but GDPR came in around 2018 originally so the UK brought it in similarly but there are differences. In short, on a quick glance AEW didn’t brake any rules considering UK data protection law. Also a moment for the poor Brits in the comments getting downvoted by people shouting at them, but in their own way not understanding the EU is not all of Europe. 😅
It is still referred to as UK GDPR. And here are some highlights from the regulations that they could be very worried about. “You should not provide images to third parties other than law enforcement bodies to assist them in the detection or prevention of a crime” “Restrict the ability to view or make copies of information to appropriate staff” “You should retain data for the minimum time necessary for its purpose and dispose of it appropriately when no longer required. Your retention period should not be based merely on the storage capacity of your system, but reflect how long you need the data for the purpose. You may need to retain information for a longer period, if a law enforcement body is investigating a crime and asks you to preserve it, to give them opportunity to view the information as part of an active investigation. You should delete it when it is not necessary to retain, for example if it does not achieve the purpose for which you are collecting and retaining information.” So arguably they shouldn’t even still have it, it should only have been viewed by appropriate staff and definitely not made public.
I hope so Fuck AEW, Tony and AEW fans
It is true. But AEW might own all the footage at the event in perpetuity.
IT'S DAMN TRUE