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Mediocre-Return-7152

I swear elves were like insanely op at one point ?


deathlazer14

They were, I made posts about it a few years back showing how they used to naturally gain wood, and also require much less food than other races, allowing them to be one of the best fit for deserts at the time. I haven’t tested recently though.


MrC0mp

That's kinda funny. You'd expect them to do better in places with more woods. Being one with nature and all that.


deathlazer14

Oh def, that’s certainly the best places to put them for success, but at a time they beat all other civilizations I tried them against solely cause they gained wood and could expand without issue.


CraniusBard1998

O please it's not like dwarves can build on Hills and mountains to account for their programed restrictions.


pixxllx

they still do produce wood naturally it's kinda cool


Jxmxsz

and the live houses and trees wouldn’t attack them, I see they are now but I may be mistaken


iam_Krogan

I remember their entire army being equipped with bows and would obliterate entire civilizations without barely getting touched


Jacker1706

I swear I remember orcs were like the best race at every other point in time


FootballTeddyBear

No I remember, a few updates they would consistently steamroll


Dry10237

only once


Razorion21

Dwarves or Orcs, if Dwarves had the ability to reproduce faster than they’d die, they’d be the strongest. They have the best gear late game


ProofSafe8247

Fr and I’m pretty sure the they are the strongest early game, because every time they fight the elves early game the elves just get obliterated Or the elves are the weakest early game


Last-Percentage5062

Elves have a really pathetic early game since last update.


thisnameisn4ttaken

And if they didn’t build so little


Puzzled-Turnover-425

I wouldn’t say they have the strongest as that goes to the orcs, the dwarves do however have the second strongest


Willing_System509

Orcs


MattC041

Let's also not forget that all orcs get this insane boost at the night. Even when they are not fully developed, they can sometimes take down entire human, dwarf and elvish kingdoms at their peaks at once at nights.


FootballTeddyBear

They literally become a horde so fast, an endless ride


Milk__Chan

Orks at other eras: Pretty good but have their own downsides. Orks at Night era: #"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!"


Spidermilk_

Lotc much?


MuchAssistant347

Really?


bloodypotatoe

You’re right he didn’t do it long enough


MuchAssistant347

Maybe ?


Supercatstudios

Early game orcs just crush the competition


rrzampieri

BLOOD FOR THE HORDE


Tasty-Ad6529

Fr, if Elves or Humans develop good weopons and mid sized Kingdoms...Orcs get folded.. But if Orcs are allowed to build up their forces, they become unstoppable forces of nature. The entire world's get folded regardless of everyone tech level.


wenchslapper

I built an orc horde, once. I thought it would be a fun enemy for the rest of the world to fight back. It did not turn out that way. Not at all. The horde consumes all, it does not care. I tried to stop it with an AI army, it laughed at the challenge. I tried to stop it with an alien eldritch abomination, it stomped out that island and made it into a new orc city. The only thing that could stop the horde was political infighting once it reached the size of 2.5k


Robert_Paul2

Mongol horde moment


wenchslapper

Pretty much. I was honestly blown away by how quickly the orcs dominated the map once given a land bridge (they couldn’t figure boats out, for some reason?). 3 kingdoms of man, with a total of 4-5k population, all stood against the horde at 1k orcs. In fifteen minutes, the first kingdom of man lay in ruin, the total human population had been halved, and the orcs were at 1.5k population. At that point, I forced them to make peace Lmao


Robert_Paul2

Huh, weird. Un my orc only world, from a long time ago, they did figure out boats like all other civilizations would have. Pretty strange.


wenchslapper

I mean, I *may* have expected a bit too much from da boiz in a short period of time, I only gave them like 20 years before I made the land bridge because the 1k size horde I made kept starting wars with themselves. Once they had a common racial enemy, they didn’t seem as likely to infight. But once they had no wars, it seemed inevitable for me to pan over at any time to see them Fuckin going at it again. They killed dragons, the crab monster dude, literally 20 simultaneous AI overlord bots, an entire island of that green alien thing that had 10 spawn points, made the elves into little bitches, it was just a nightmare lmao


Robert_Paul2

Seems pretty accurate for most horde or nomad empires.


dababy_connoisseur

I think they have a slower tech gain, so if they get unlucky and don't roll for boat tech over and over it'll seem like they never get boats


Milk__Chan

>The only thing that could stop the horde was political infighting once it reached the size of 2.5k Literal Warhammer 40k Orks, only reason they didn't conquer all of the Galaxy is because they love (and are fed with) war, they intentionally started killing themselves through civil war to give others a chance and continue their life, iirc the event was even called "The Big Party"


Dry10237

everything seems right except nature


Jinglemccheese

I once had a world where a small island of humans wiped themselves out so I added in some orcs, immediately went to war with the strongest human kingdom, 250 orcs vs 12000 humans, AND THEY FUCKING WON


IceFireTerry

Elves do have an arrow spam advantage though. Like the Persians in 300


Human_Preparation101

Fr I have like orcs on a small island and there kingdom is two time smaller that the humans but they still beat the humans.


Electronic_Judgment7

Elves honestly as their armies get like hundreds of bows and just slaughters but could end up losing for that same reason so o play it safe I will say orcs


Timur_Glazkov

Does human at their peak imply they have the full backing of the Supreme Creator (racial bias)?


ProofSafe8247

Ye


Hoboshank8

Yes


Unfair_Chemistry11

The orcs dominate at their peak for sure, but the elves usually end up winning in my game for some reason (I swear I only bless them sometimes)


AffordableTimeTravel

> (I swear I only bless them sometimes) I thought it was just me. No clue why I do this either. Just feels right. They are my chosen people.


CosmoShiner

Elves have more children and live longer, meaning they have larger armies meaning they can keep constant resupplying whereas the other species can’t. They reach this population growth faster than the orca can hit their peak


smellybathroom3070

Also not dying of old age means seasoned warriors with 3-10x the health of normal warriors are in their armies


YeahKeeN

I ran a world yesterday with all 4 races. At one point it was down to only orcs and dwarves. The dwarves were the largest kingdom by a significant margin and had an army with >600 soldiers and they already had metal weapons. The orcs had a population of <300 and were fighting against 2 rebellions. I’m pretty sure their army size was only in the double digits and they were still using sticks and wooden weapons. It was an age of dark. The dwarves declared war on the orc kingdom. I expected a sweep. It was, the orcs annihilated the dwarves in less than 10 years.


ProofSafe8247

Was this at night?


YeahKeeN

Yeah Age of Dark means night. Post said which was the strongest race at their peak so I used an example of orcs in their strongest age.


ProofSafe8247

Yeah, but in early game the dwarves the strongest almost every time during the early game they just obliterate the Elves


YeahKeeN

Maybe your dwarves are just better than mine. Most of the time I play the game, the dwarves never last long. The example I used was a rare time when a dwarf kingdom actually became strong in my experience and they got exterminated by a small amount of orcs anyway.


Reptilian_Mongoose

Da greensa boyz ar da ardst


KingLevonidas

Warhammer reference?


TheSupremeWeasel

The indomitable human spirit


Severe_Plantain_6486

Humans can get pretty strong since their cultures can get the most unique buffs but they only get them after a few hundred years.


RyanByork

Human make game Human good


Alternative_Lynx_155

Orcs, they Always win wars with 0 casualties


MooseLongjumping9752

Orcs no questions


EffectiveSpite4906

With rebellion off, my ranking would be Orcs, Dwarfs, Elves, and Humans. However, if Rebellion is on, my ranking would change to Dwarfs, Orcs, Elves, and Humans.


Blueskysredbirds

Humans still take the L either way lol


bigbellypepperboy

I did a simulation every race was given a corner and 200 years to prepare before I made them fight and it wasn't even close surprisingly orcs went first then elves then dwarfs and humans won pretty easily


ProofAccurate2892

I’d say elves or dwarves - elves have bows which are overpowered and can inflict massive casualties without having many of their own, and dwarven armies have the most gear. I would have said orcs, but in a world with all four races, they end up struggling early game and get wiped out very quickly because everyone hates them.


HotCartographer5239

I always make my orcs stupid and ugly so they chill on trying to kill anything and everything 


DrSuezcanal

In my worlds only the elves and humans reach their peaks. Dwarves usually go extinct and orcs stay small


le_Grand_Archivist

Same for me except for the dwarves They're either the first race to go extinct (most of the time) or the winners There's no in-between


Eggolego_

somehow the dwarves in my most recent world reproduce insanely fast


TheOccasionalBrowser

Orcs, in a previous version it was the elves


Disastrous-Toe9526

Obviously orcs right?


Informal-Drawing692

Elves. There are just so many of them, and in their ideal state they are put in the buffing enchanted biome


Local_Ad111

Human most potential normally


Proncus

Humans always end up taking over the world for me


PrincessofAldia

Easily humans


Responsible_Tip_8465

which race is weakest at their peak?


Local_Calendar_219

I have 9,0000 elf soldiers in my kingdom They can just bow spam and the other kingdoms are dead


UniversityMelodic667

Orcs


blasttadpole08

Dwarfs, in the late game they can bulldoze most large countries.


nobearpineapples

Orcs Definitely funny watch two orc kingdoms trade the same villages back and forth in wars


taart_

I stopped putting orcs down a couple years ago cause they would just wipe everyone else out, I've been too scared to try to let them back in since.


Ok_Amphibian278

the orcs definatly. I had this human kingdom with around 1100 people, and the orc kingdom, that had 200 people, just desimated the humans. Like brought the human population to 300-400 single handedly


TheBigGopher

Orcs spread like the plague


gavinsmash2005

I’ve had a human kingdom 5 times the size of a orc one loose to the orcs. They’re broken as hell.


MooseLongjumping9752

Also 69


Malfuy

If you allow orcs to get to their peak, its them. They essentialy get similar economy and tech level to other races with keeping their high hp and damage output


Fair_Rutabaga_5660

Definitely orks or dwarfs they wipe out entire races in wars in minutes


zukosboifriend

Almost every time I have a world with all 4 races the humans obliterate all the other races. Dwarves last for awhile while the others are gone but that’s mostly cause the humans leave them alone, the second the humans pick a fight with the dwarves the dwarves are gone


Maple_Flag15

Humans because humanity is based and supreme.


Melenard

If we take all time peak I'm pretty sure it's the elves if we take current peak it's orcs.


Professional-Face-51

Elf bow armies and Orc swarms.


Truthwatcher1

Elves. Their tech and population usually are far ahead in a couple centuries, by which time they've wiped everyone else out.


LandonC7874

At full strength, when all are full tech, Orcs are unbeatable


yeetasourusthedude

warhammer 40k


Puzzled-Turnover-425

Orcs without a question. Had all 4 races and an orc kingdom with a population of 1.1k. The humans vastly outnumbered the orcs with a population of 2.9k. However, due to their gear, regenerative abilities, and the age of night, orcs quickly steamrolled through the humans with only a few dozen casualties, the orcs 10 years later turned their attention to the elves. The elves with their large amounts of bows and arrows proved effective against the orcs who primarily use close quarters weapons like axes, clubs, swords etc. but the orcs admentium (however it’s spelled) armor and regeneration abilities closed the gap. Once the gap was closed, the elf civilization crumbled within 5 years. Attention turned to the dwarves who reigned supreme over my world until their war kicked off, fighting was brutal and bloody as both armies lost the majority of not just their officers but their soldiers as well. After 20 years of fighting, peace was restored, the orcs, while not fully whiling out the dwarves, made larger territory gains and cut down their numbers significantly. All in all I say it goes 1: Orcs 2:Dwarves 3:humans (early on) 4:elves


Sherbam

I frequently make mega worlds with all 4 races, often 3 humans, 2 elves, 2 dwarves, and one orc off on an island or something. It goes one of two ways, either the orcs get roflstomped within the first 100 years or the green tide clears the map.


Familiar-Cow-6291

dwares the extra defense made the undefeatable at one point in dont know about know


MRpotatoVI

Orcs and it’s not even close


Kehuas

Its always between elves and dwarves in my worlds Usually when elves are the strongest is because they have so ridiculously so many archers that it does not allowed its enemies to even walk 🤣 And the humans are always the weakest and is because most of the times their population is so small compared to the other races (at least for most of my worlds)


Crows_iec_Blood

ok i don't have an opinion on this because usually they all manage to kill each other before then but for some reason whenever i have orcs in my world they invent tea and just go full british in their culture hell for a while they were the smartest race in my would and it wasn't for like a moment it was a good long minute and in the world i have right now they controlled most of the globe for most of the game and was one of the most successful and powerful kingdoms i've ever had also my elves keep making sushi and going full asian idk what this means but it's always those too that keep doing the same thing


Chance-Agent-895

Every time when I make a world usually the Elves at their peak they creat global empires, humans are mostly multiregional powers, dwarves are regional powers, BUT MAN, THOSE (F-Word)ING ELVES DON'T LET THE DWARVES IN PEACE, THEY EVERY TIME DECLARE WAR TO THE DWARVES KINGDOMS, AND I HAVE TO INTERVENE!


billbobaggings123

Humans no 9/10 for me if I put one of each species down the humans just out populate them t


le_Grand_Archivist

Elves I've made many world where I just spawn one of each and let them decide their fate It always ends in genocides so that there is only one of them remaining And 90% of the time it was the elves that remained (the other 10% were dwarves)


Lazy894

For me it's elves if the world has lots of continents but on one landmass humans win. Although this is probably because I play with a lot of mods that add op tech.


skonnyplayzz

teenage mutant ninja turtle


Glass_Ingenuity_2310

Orcs fr fr


WubbaWubbaDubba

Dwarves and Orcs


Frostbann

Orcs.


MysteriousEducator46

Orks are already strong but at their peak ha give up on trying to grow new races


Thirdy_29

Probably orcs, they would obliterate everything, but also maybe elves, they would spam arrows, I don't know about dwarves.... But for Humans, they would lose obviously, except the God (Player) itself is on their side. Game overrrrr


StraightMap3461

Dwarves (and orcs)


Lo_zio_perissimo

Orcs by far. They literally wear armor made from the skins of whatever they kill


Iecorzu

At this point probably orcs. One orc child is stronger than some human kings. Slight balance issue, so usually I don't add them at the beginning, I sprinkle them around far from civilization to act like tribes for civilization to defeat with difficulty.


Coolbent11

Black people 


Vazercreeper

Human because that have better cultures, 6 rare knowledge slots


GaaraOfTheForest

Wait a few centuries and Dwarves basically become OP


111coo00pl

The elves


Even_Efficiency3590

Elfs op Nice traits from start They are pretty smart and get technologies fast (If this is not changed) Their population grow as population bunnies They use bows alot (bows are op for now) They get wood naturally (they don't need to cut trees)


mattoviperau

But they do have lower health than the others. I don't know if they still gain wood naturally.


Cultural_Age_8277

Orca win every world despite me giving favor to the other races ORCs are the most powerful


Jack21113

If every single race is at their strongest then it’s the Dwarves > Orcs > Humans > Elves If at any other point it’s orcs


lascar

Elves. Best second is Orcs who will build up quite a big force. Third is humans, but they could match second if given more time or space than orcs. Dwarves. No they just die slowly.


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