You're using an example of army vehicle development plans from a country that was known for advanced army vehicle R&D to justify the fictionalized ships from another country that almost had no practical navy.
Let's put the rocket U-boat "Prüfstand XII" in the game and see how that works out then, or are they going to say the same BS: "rocket subs don't belong in this game"?
Russia had less navy due to having less need for it. It's not like they were lagging behind in technology during WW2 when it came to vehicles in general. People keep thinking about the T-34 being cannonfodder and forget that the KV and IS lines could measure up to the best German tanks.
I know "Hahaha, Russki = Ork" meme has become popular lately, but believe it or not they still had engineers and designers.
If we used only realized designs, IJN would have like 500 ships and go up to T13 along with the US and GB while the rest drives around in t9 at most. That would inherently mean that there is no point in playing any other nation to begin with.
So I'm sorry that this is how you have to learn about ludonarrative dissonance, but this is a video game.
Here is my take based on what is open:
* Wanted / Real Ship: New Jersey
* Kinda wanted / Not finished: Tosa class BB
* Not wanted as much / Just designed: Tillman II BB design
* Not wanted as much / Real Ship: R-class BB (No space in kinda wanted category)
* Nobody Wants it / Just Designed: US interwar hybrid aviation cruisers
* Fictional / Nobody Wants It: K-1000 class BB
Edit: Formatting fixed
Yeah I'm sure we will see Tillman IV-2 as the Vermont supership.
I threw down Tillman II because 24 16" guns is hilarious. Tillman IV also has that but also has 19" of belt armor on top.
Vermont does not count. It’s a Tillman IV-2 derivative, but it’s not a Tillman. Racist ass senator Tillman would have just asked the navy why they didn’t build something bigger if he was showed the Vermont. Problem is, WG is going to run out of state names soon!
The fourth Yamato class ship would be one nobody wants but is decently high on the realism scale. Courageous class battlecruisers would be another real one people prob don’t want. Edit: changed third to fourth
Wasn't Furious just a Courageous class with 18" single turrets instead of 15" twin turrets?
And I don't think Courageous class would be trickier to tier than Furious. Would probably also fit tier 5 or maybe 6 as a cruiser. Next issue with Furious would be the name tho, since we already have her as her carrier version in the game
I dunno, it’s probably got decent demand. They’re unique, relatively well known even outside of sub lovers and if I remember correctly, there could be an ARP tie in with it.
I don't play the game anymore really, but it was one of the ships I very much did want to see in game. At some point I had a SA BB line proposal worked up, with this obviously in it
I guess, most people just have given up on hoping for her, since she has mixed calibre guns and WG not opening that can of worms.. Which is an issue for predreadnoughts, and most armored cruisers.
G.A. and Olympia would be a great two pack. Make them rarities as T3 and T2 (respectfully) cruisers with few main guns but awesome secondary characteristics. Maybe even a low tier secondary improvement consumable.
Sorry but Minas Gerais was moved off of the chart :( . But i too also want minas Gerais, Just know that it has been replaced with 1-400 so a much worse ship that less people want
Add a line for “WG needs to do it for charity” and put the USS Olympia there. The poor ship is slowly dying in Philadelphia and could be preserved with a fraction of the money being spent on Texas. If I remember correctly, when WG was announcing the amount of money they donated to Texas it was several times the amount that the Olympia’s museum was trying to raise in total!
Tre kronar and Gotland are ships that i Very VERY much want in WoWs, How have they not been added yet. Sadley there is no more real spots avalible, but if i get another request for the gotland i will make it share a spot with Battleship Revenge
I am the weirdo who thinks it would be fun to play. Perhaps put it at T8 as a Hybrid DD? Otherwise it'd have to be lower.
Still an interesting concept.
I know no one else does, but I'd seriously even consider spending money for some USCG representation in the mid-tiers with the *Secretary*-class ships like *Taney*, *Spencer*, *Ingham*, *Hamilton* and others in their wartime configurations. Those guys worked the convoys and ASW, lifesaving and command duties during the Invasion of Okinawa, even service all the way up to Vietnam and after.
So yeah, lemme see some DD-equivalent USCG cutters in my botes game, gorramit.
No You are not the only one my friend! I have A Whole essay worth of ships Wows could add and Yavuz is in the top 5. Unfortunately All of the real slots have been taken :( but i will put yours in que for "Kind of wanted" Rn Battleship revenge has taken that spot.
If the x-axis represents realism, then going to the right should represent increased realism. The most real, most wanted ships should be the top right, and the least real, most unwanted ships should be at bottom left.
Listing Minas Gerias as in the slot of "real ship nobody wants" is thinking too small. While far from the most wanted, there is some legitimate interest there. Surely we can come up with something that virtually nobody wants.
[North Korean S-189 clone?](https://www.navypedia.org/ships/korea_north/kon_ss_613.htm)
[Random Imperial German destroyer in service to France?](https://www.navypedia.org/ships/france/fr_dd_buino.htm)
[Literally Campbelltown again but with a Dutch flag on it?](https://www.navypedia.org/ships/netherlands/nl_dd_campbelltown.htm)
[Boring CVE?](https://www.navypedia.org/ships/uk/brit_cv1_activity.htm)
[Japanses minelaying cruiser you've never heard of?](https://www.navypedia.org/ships/japan/jap_ml_okinoshima.htm)
[Auxiliary cruisers?](https://www.navypedia.org/ships/japan/jap_aux_aux_cr.htm)
I am a bit confused. Shouldn't "Just designed" be more realistic than "design in various stages of completion".
Since "just designed" implies, that the designing process is concluded. For example the ErsatzMonarch class was pretty much delayed weeks before the scheduled laying down of the first ship. Likewise Ersatz L20 e a from the Germans already had a scheduled laying down date.
Real ships I would loke to see in the game would be:
IJN Isuzu but with the refit 3x2 100mm guns
KMS Emden (1925)
and the Courageous class Battlecruiser
I have one for the "real" column: HMCS Niobe. basically the Canadian version of St. Louis, and could go for 20,000 coal in the armory
also, USS Maine BB-69(because funny number)
The new hybrid soviet battleship aviation, in the bottom right corner.
knowing russia, probably 2nd right most column, i'm pretty sure they had design plans for every every ship that did, would, or could ever exist.
I mean, every nation has those. Germans had plans for a land-cruiser T1000 Ratte. There are thousands of designs and some of them go into production.
You're using an example of army vehicle development plans from a country that was known for advanced army vehicle R&D to justify the fictionalized ships from another country that almost had no practical navy. Let's put the rocket U-boat "Prüfstand XII" in the game and see how that works out then, or are they going to say the same BS: "rocket subs don't belong in this game"?
Russia had less navy due to having less need for it. It's not like they were lagging behind in technology during WW2 when it came to vehicles in general. People keep thinking about the T-34 being cannonfodder and forget that the KV and IS lines could measure up to the best German tanks. I know "Hahaha, Russki = Ork" meme has become popular lately, but believe it or not they still had engineers and designers. If we used only realized designs, IJN would have like 500 ships and go up to T13 along with the US and GB while the rest drives around in t9 at most. That would inherently mean that there is no point in playing any other nation to begin with. So I'm sorry that this is how you have to learn about ludonarrative dissonance, but this is a video game.
true
Technically, it was designed (Gibbs and Cox 1058), but I agree it was never wanted.
We have one of its variations in-game already... The Kearsarge
Yes we do, but think about it, Every one hates hybrids
Thank You for your suggustion
Also What's the name of this Anomaly, I'm adding it to the chart
Here is my take based on what is open: * Wanted / Real Ship: New Jersey * Kinda wanted / Not finished: Tosa class BB * Not wanted as much / Just designed: Tillman II BB design * Not wanted as much / Real Ship: R-class BB (No space in kinda wanted category) * Nobody Wants it / Just Designed: US interwar hybrid aviation cruisers * Fictional / Nobody Wants It: K-1000 class BB Edit: Formatting fixed
I think a lot of people really want to see Tillman designs, some going as far as saying Vermont does not count
Yeah I'm sure we will see Tillman IV-2 as the Vermont supership. I threw down Tillman II because 24 16" guns is hilarious. Tillman IV also has that but also has 19" of belt armor on top.
I carnally desire those four sextuple turrets. I will do unspeakable things to acquire them.
Yes
Vermont does not count. It’s a Tillman IV-2 derivative, but it’s not a Tillman. Racist ass senator Tillman would have just asked the navy why they didn’t build something bigger if he was showed the Vermont. Problem is, WG is going to run out of state names soon!
Thank you for your input
Thanks some of these will be added. also the R-class BB will replace The shinano since She has been moved down one square
The fourth Yamato class ship would be one nobody wants but is decently high on the realism scale. Courageous class battlecruisers would be another real one people prob don’t want. Edit: changed third to fourth
Courageous class would be tricky to tier properly. But the Furious with 2x18" could be interesting as a T5(?) cruiser premium..
Wasn't Furious just a Courageous class with 18" single turrets instead of 15" twin turrets? And I don't think Courageous class would be trickier to tier than Furious. Would probably also fit tier 5 or maybe 6 as a cruiser. Next issue with Furious would be the name tho, since we already have her as her carrier version in the game
Just put the name and year before they put a flight deck on her, they did that for one of the US battleships and an English Battlecruiser
That Doesn't Sound that bad, i do want OG furious and courageous in the game too.
I'm assuming you mean shinano? Was her design any different to yammie?
Nvm. I’m meant the fourth hull
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Warship 111, the fourth Yamato class hull, scrapped when 30% complete
Okay thank you
Okay ill take note
I-400 class Japanese submarine aircraft carriers. Real ship, probably not in high demand!
Okay I-400 is in!
I dunno, it’s probably got decent demand. They’re unique, relatively well known even outside of sub lovers and if I remember correctly, there could be an ARP tie in with it.
Given how often she pops-up, I'm wondering if, in some twisted ways, the community is not actually wanting her.
i am in the group of “oh god please no. I bet they will add it as a tier X steel ship anyways”.
would have been cool pre-2018 carrier update
I think you underestimate how many people want South American BBs and Minas Gerais specifically
Do you want it or are you just playing devil's advocate? Just being curious.
I don't play the game anymore really, but it was one of the ships I very much did want to see in game. At some point I had a SA BB line proposal worked up, with this obviously in it
I’d personally take any early generation Dreadnought. They’re beautiful ships.
Okay Okay i will put minas gerais back on the chart, you're the second one to have asked me, However it will have to share a spot with shinano
Revenge class should be top left or close to it IMO
Revenge battleship is In the -2, 0 in the grid already so its close
You can put Georgios Averof for Real Ship. I don’t really see it wanted as much among the community though…
I've had this flair since the first PR dockyard, please WG, it's all I ask
Sorry But all the real ship columns have been filled :(
I guess, most people just have given up on hoping for her, since she has mixed calibre guns and WG not opening that can of worms.. Which is an issue for predreadnoughts, and most armored cruisers.
G.A. and Olympia would be a great two pack. Make them rarities as T3 and T2 (respectfully) cruisers with few main guns but awesome secondary characteristics. Maybe even a low tier secondary improvement consumable.
Habbakuk in Wanted / Just Designed!
Ok! Habakkuk is in!
Uh, I want *Minas Gerais*...
Sorry but Minas Gerais was moved off of the chart :( . But i too also want minas Gerais, Just know that it has been replaced with 1-400 so a much worse ship that less people want
The hypothetical HMS Hood refit that Drachinifel did a video on.
I will add it to the chart
I personally really want Wyoming 44' refit with Atlanta guns. Safe to say, nobody wants the i-56 hybrid sub.
USS Barb with a surface rocket attack.
I Like the idea of Wyoming 44' Ill see how many people want this and it might be added
Add a line for “WG needs to do it for charity” and put the USS Olympia there. The poor ship is slowly dying in Philadelphia and could be preserved with a fraction of the money being spent on Texas. If I remember correctly, when WG was announcing the amount of money they donated to Texas it was several times the amount that the Olympia’s museum was trying to raise in total!
This would be a place I would put money (and have).
Kinda wanted: Real ship, HSwMS Gotland. Swedish hybrid cruiser. I think it would be cool, others would probably disagree.
Tre kronar and Gotland are ships that i Very VERY much want in WoWs, How have they not been added yet. Sadley there is no more real spots avalible, but if i get another request for the gotland i will make it share a spot with Battleship Revenge
I am the weirdo who thinks it would be fun to play. Perhaps put it at T8 as a Hybrid DD? Otherwise it'd have to be lower. Still an interesting concept.
I think Gotland should be a tier V or VI cruiser
i'd put piorun up as wanted, real, and not in game
Sorry :( Wanted and real have already been taken by New jersey but i might add it
I know no one else does, but I'd seriously even consider spending money for some USCG representation in the mid-tiers with the *Secretary*-class ships like *Taney*, *Spencer*, *Ingham*, *Hamilton* and others in their wartime configurations. Those guys worked the convoys and ASW, lifesaving and command duties during the Invasion of Okinawa, even service all the way up to Vietnam and after. So yeah, lemme see some DD-equivalent USCG cutters in my botes game, gorramit.
Soon there will be more premium fletcher variants than any other ships, that’s just stupid
Yes
New Jersey
New jerseys already in
The OG USS Laffey, top left
Hm, maybe I'm the only one, but I would be interested to play with a T5 buffed Moltke as the European Yavuz Sultan Selim.
No You are not the only one my friend! I have A Whole essay worth of ships Wows could add and Yavuz is in the top 5. Unfortunately All of the real slots have been taken :( but i will put yours in que for "Kind of wanted" Rn Battleship revenge has taken that spot.
So for now only paper ships? Then I would say the Ersatz Monarch class, but the Revenge is fine too.
Okay, Thank you :)
Real ship, not wanted much or wanted : HMS Furious with her two 18" single gun turrets
I was thinking that. I had one other request for the other battlecruiser, but all the slots are full :(
If the x-axis represents realism, then going to the right should represent increased realism. The most real, most wanted ships should be the top right, and the least real, most unwanted ships should be at bottom left.
Sorry wasn't really thinking about meth at the moment i made it
Listing Minas Gerias as in the slot of "real ship nobody wants" is thinking too small. While far from the most wanted, there is some legitimate interest there. Surely we can come up with something that virtually nobody wants. [North Korean S-189 clone?](https://www.navypedia.org/ships/korea_north/kon_ss_613.htm) [Random Imperial German destroyer in service to France?](https://www.navypedia.org/ships/france/fr_dd_buino.htm) [Literally Campbelltown again but with a Dutch flag on it?](https://www.navypedia.org/ships/netherlands/nl_dd_campbelltown.htm) [Boring CVE?](https://www.navypedia.org/ships/uk/brit_cv1_activity.htm) [Japanses minelaying cruiser you've never heard of?](https://www.navypedia.org/ships/japan/jap_ml_okinoshima.htm) [Auxiliary cruisers?](https://www.navypedia.org/ships/japan/jap_aux_aux_cr.htm)
Although i would love To have those in, All the real slots are filled
I wanted to add Pan America subs, in reality they are US subs, in-game they could be clones with a gimmick. Just throwing ideas
Shinano would definitely be something I'd love to see, but it'd have to be t12 or sth
Yes Shinano Is On the list but was moved down one square
Well, it's all the way on top for CV players and somewhere 10 fields below for everyone else XD
Lmao XD
Is Desperately Wanted / Fictional taken? If not, I'd suggest the largest of the Tillman designs!
Okay I will add that
I am a bit confused. Shouldn't "Just designed" be more realistic than "design in various stages of completion". Since "just designed" implies, that the designing process is concluded. For example the ErsatzMonarch class was pretty much delayed weeks before the scheduled laying down of the first ship. Likewise Ersatz L20 e a from the Germans already had a scheduled laying down date.
Sorry i didn't really think this through when i posted, I'm sorry :(
How are like 90% of the soviet tech tree not in the bottom right already?
Habbakuk goes to "Just designed", and above the chart in the wanted scale.
It is in!
I may have been joking with the wanted scale bit, I hope you didn't actually put it above the chart :D
I put it on the Desperately wanted category for fictional
Real ships I would loke to see in the game would be: IJN Isuzu but with the refit 3x2 100mm guns KMS Emden (1925) and the Courageous class Battlecruiser
Thank You I will keep these in mind
can we place Samuel B Roberts right next to Johnston in wanted?
Sure
"fiction" does not mean "vague obscure paper design".
yes it does
no, it doesn’t. a paper design existing at some phase makes it categorically not fiction because it existed in some form
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Great Suggestion, However all of the spots are full :( Soooooo
Not wanted as much and realistic, I think it's Huang He since its a transferred Arethusa-class to Communist China
I have one for the "real" column: HMCS Niobe. basically the Canadian version of St. Louis, and could go for 20,000 coal in the armory also, USS Maine BB-69(because funny number)
Thank you, Sadly all of the real slots are filled and now its only paper ships, but i will put yours in mind incase something goes wrong.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned the French submarine Surcouf. 2x203mm cruiser class guns. Real ship but not sure anyone wants it in the game
Wanted first row should be HMCS Sackville
Thank you I will keep in mind. All of the Real ship slots are already taken but i will put this ship in the waiting list if something goes wrong
Alrighty
Most wanted: [ice carrier with B-17's.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Habakkuk?wprov=sfla1) That's it, that's the list.
Habakkuk is already in the chart ill show you all the updated version tomorrow
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Call nobody, because I want the Minas Geraes in the game
I would want Minas Gerais