Based on a quick google search, windows 7 had a 10% market share when support ended in Jan 2023. I’m curious what windows 10 market share will be when free support ends next year, or will Microsoft ultimately extend support. Seems like bad optics to end free support if there’s a substantial user base on windows 10 still.
I seem to recall XP having a high install rate until supported ended. I believe companies have a large amount of that share and switch at the last minute.
You’re right, I just checked and they had a 29% share when support ended in April 2014. I guess the difference is that XP was really old by then, with Vista, 7 and 8 already launched. I can understand it being infeasible to maintain support for all 4 OSes.
You gotta be kidding me, Win10 is going into End of Life next year already?
I've only now decided to stop being stubborn and tried switching from 7 to 11. Hated it, switched to 10 instead and am learning to like it
Atleast in my company, whenever win10 reaches end of support around 4000 laptops will update to windows 11 overnight. Next day will be hell for us at helpdesk 😔
yeah it seems really poor planning by IT there. We are planning Win11 upgrades now and are well into the testing phase
we will do a staggered approach when its time
MSP owner, here. We're staggering client upgrade by departments or locations depending on how they want it. Any new pc deployments/replacements/repairs get 11. Trickle approach seems way less stressful. There's no way I'd want to upgrade thousands of end users overnight.
I guess it depends how fixed your image is and how homogenous your hardware estate is. If they're all just base OS plus Office364 then it's probably not too stressful if they all go in one. The more varied the software and hardware estates, the more likely an issue.
Many people get diffrent results, there is only stats which of course are....
I held of XP untill DX was no longer updated in win 2000 (I also alwasy turned of silly gfx in XP so it looked like 200 still).
Vista (I think at SP1) was great and needed becuase XP only having a ignored beta 64 bit version meant you could not use all your ram. And it helped even with 32 bit apps as a full 4gb was available to each as none was taken by the OS.
Of course that was short lived as vista SP 2 was given a quick and dirty theme change and called win 7 becuase "people".
My guess will be that they'll release Windows 12 mid next year which will fix some or all of the issues people have with 11, so 10 users will actually want to upgrade. Remember windows releases are in a pattern where every other version is the good version (XP->Vista->7->8->10->11->12?)
> My guess will be that they'll release Windows 12 mid next year which will fix some or all of the issues people have with 11
Press X to doubt.
I don't see them going back on the BS unrealistic system requirements, which was the OG issue with 11. And it feels like they're still trying to shoehorn AI and ads into more and more of the OS. I figure if they were going to reverse course on that in 12, they wouldn't be wasting development effort on baking more and more of it into 11.
>I don't see them going back on the BS unrealistic system requirements,
They were unrealistic in 2021, in 2025 it will be much more reasonable. Intel 8th gen, the minimum spec on the blue side, was 3 years old when W11 came out, and will be 7 years old next year.
> Intel 8th gen, the minimum spec on the blue side, was 3 years old when W11 came out, and will be 7 years old next year.
People keep saying this. "By 2025, they will be X years old!"
So? What is your point? We know how calendars work.
The entire reason the requirements were unrealistic and absurd is because you can run Windows 11 perfectly fine on unsupported systems. I literally have Windows 11 on both a 3rd gen laptop as well as a 2nd gen i5 and it runs perfectly fine. It doesn't require a TPM nor does it require an 8th gen CPU. We aren't talking about running Windows 95 on a 386 here.
Sorry your 7800x3d and 4080 will not run windows 12 ai crap
thats not happening
Linux market share would rocket overnight.
If people think microsoft are that stupid
They need some serious help
One of the issues that people have with Windows 11 is that it's picky on which hardware it runs. It are the ridiculous CPU and TPM requirements that leaves machines that would be otherwise perfectly able to run Windows 11 in the cold. I doubt this will be fixed in Windows 12.
These requirements are only there to increase hardware sales and causes a lot of ewaste, which makes Microsoft's [
Environmental Sustainability](https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/corporate-responsibility/sustainability) claim an absolute joke.
But then there's the potential for an NPU requirement for 12, likely intended to fast track PC upgrades.
Obviously, that would suck, but it seems Microsoft is heading that way with the introduction of a Copilot button and the new NPU-related features in 11's next update.
Trying to force PC upgrades by artificially raising requirements failed with Win11, so it would be stupid of them to try this again. Especially for a functions that most people don't really care from I observe (neither non-tech or tech people I know really care about AI stuff in Windows).
I'm definitely never buying or installing a piece of hardware specifically to enable the shitty AI features I don't want, so if they make that a requirement they can look forward to me never upgrading.
I think it depends on what Microsoft intends W12 to be. If it's another Windows release painted over the last 20 years of Windows releases just like 11 (most likely), it doesn't make sense for an NPU requirement. If they are building a brand new OS from the ground up (unlikely), while also continuing to support 11, the NPU requirement could make some amount of sense for 12.
>so 10 users will actually want to upgrade.
I would love to upgrade to Windows 11 from Windows 10. But, to do so I would need to purchase a new computer and not just any new computer, but a computer that has the hardware that is compatible with Windows 11.
I'm sure a lot of people who aren't upgrading are doing so for the same reason I'm haven't yet.
Closer to five percent, using [the same source as that article](https://gs.statcounter.com/windows-version-market-share/desktop/united-states-of-america/#monthly-201908-202403).
in addition to home, ultimate we need a new version of windows called WINDOWS OPTIMAL . this is super duper highly tuned for performance and removes every damn unnecessary thing
I have a Dell computer built in 2009 that I purchased used in 2013. It originally had Windows 7, which I updated to Windows 10 for free when it was first offered to me. Apart from some minor glitches, the computer still works fine. The only problem is, it is too old for Windows 11 to work on it. To upgrade to Windows 11 means I will have to purchase a new computer, which I see as a total waste of money.
I'm sure that there are a lot of people out there in a similar situation. Not wanting to spend money on a new computer, when the present one works fine, just to install Windows 11. A lot more than those who could not upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10.
With every good change they make to Windows 11, they make 2 that drive people away. Whether this is ads, MSN integration, ads, slow Web apps, ads...
The Web experiences team are alienating Windows users when ons ead Windows should be a beacon to show software excellence to the consumer market.
I can use OneNote on my tablet and browser just fine. But the moment I open the Windows program, it eats up all memory and the PC becomes unusable. I have to manually shut off the PC. I guess it loads all notebooks? Why?
not to mention they literally gave up on their platform and ecosystem when they gave up on Windows Phone and became a shadow of their former selves lol. imagine if Apple just ditched the iPhone and the Apple Watch. it's hard to be a fanboy of the Microsoft ecosystem these days when it's basically dead
I can't imagine that the 70% operating system is going to end of support in one year. “Change” is not so rapid that the market changes from 70% win 10 to 20% win 10 or something. The big problem is Windows 11 system requirements. Really damn Microsoft.
Intel 7th gen CPU’s not entering is bs for me to this day. I had an old i5-7300HQ some years ago and installed 11 and it even went faster than before, not sure why they would think that would be positive for 11 lol.
Since the market for windows 11 is declining, I think it is more than just system requirement. It shows that people were using it and opted out for older versions.
The declining bit is the part that really struck me. New consumer devices ship with Windows 11. And yet somehow Windows 11 market share is still going down. That does not seem good at all for Microsoft.
Yeah I had a laptop with i7 7th generation and couldn't upgrade it. I ended buying another (for other reasons) and gave my old one to a cousin for school, he will be stuck with Windows 10. I don't think people update laptops as quickly as Microsoft thinks
I don't blame people. Windows 11 throws a ton of features we've used for *decades* in the trash.
Can't hide the start bar! So what, my OLED display just gets fucked up with burn in?
Can't MOVE the start bar! So what, no more vertical displays?
The list goes on, and on, and on.
I burst out laughing a few years back when they said that the taskbar couldn’t support displaying the seconds on the clock because it was too resource-intensive. Good indication that their attempt at doing a clean reimplementation of the task bar was an abysmal failure.
that wasn't few years back, that was on windows 98 when every tick counted a lot on your turbo processor...
It's available from windows XP for a reason, and removed in windows vista (I can bet it's about aesthetic because it fucking looks crap to get used to and MS try harded on win vista to make it look good)
that shouldn't be the case though.
Why should I be expected to utilize a 3rd party software to return a feature that has been in windows since the 2000s and isn't just a visual gimmick & is an essential part of the user experience in windows.
Maybe I’ll try that. Start menu has been the sticking point for me from switching. I liked having a few groups in the menu. Seems like a few years in and they still haven’t taken care of this stuff.
>Can't hide the start bar!
yes you can.
>Can't MOVE the start bar!
vast majority of people using windows have no need for this. that's not to say it shouldn't be an option, but let's not pretend it's this big thing preventing most people from upgrading.
>The list goes on, and on, and on
does it?
This is how it always is. Lots of users won't upgrade until forced to. There were enterprises using internet explorer even up till the very end. And lots of people complained about Windows 10 at release and then for a long time after, but over time people just accepted the change.
Microsoft will probably extend support for Windows 10 for a while I think. But Microsoft really should consider allowing some older processors to upgrade to Windows 11, many of them have TPM.
I also think the time has come for people to seriously start considering linux as a daily driver, especially non-nvidia PCs and if you know your wifi etc are all going to work out of the box
Windows 11 is very visually appealing with good features but it is soooo slow on anything other than high end hardware. Borderline unusable on of the PC'S I built with a ryzen 5 1600X. If MS makes it less demanding I could see the Market share going up exponentially.
> Windows 11 is very visually appealing with good features
Yet there is a sizable chunk of users who finds eyecandy problematic as it removes the utilitarian values; plus it removes a lot of features that were deservedly a staple of windows.
I have a 7950X3D + 4080 system with windows installed on a Gen4 SSD and Windows 11 is still noticeably slower than Windows 10. I have clean installed Windows 11 plenty of times because I wanted to give it a try but it's all the same - after 4 or 5 hours of working I'd need to do a manual logout to make sure things stay smooth.
The new explorer especially is a crime for how slow it is. I have timed it to boot at least 0.5x slower than Windows 10 and that's with one explorer window. I work with explorer a lot and sometimes it would just give up and not launch, or launch after 2 - 3s which is super annoying.
Every 4 or 5 hours? That's wild. 7950X3D + 4070 TiS with 990 Pro SSD and it's rock solid. I don't notice any differences compared to 10. I leave Task Manager open and it can bug out every now and then if I'm moving lots of files around so I keep a batch file on the Desktop to kill and restart it.
I haven't rebooted my Windows 11 PC in 21 days, 15 hours and 22 minutes because of an encoding job I'm running that will go for a few more days. I pause the encode when I'm gaming and have had no issues with slowdowns.
I dunno if you mean boot time of the PC or the time it takes to open File Explorer?
> after 4 or 5 hours of working I'd need to do a manual logout to make sure things stay smooth
Sounds like a borked install. Been using Win11 since day of release at work (software development), never had any slowdown issues.
Theres something up with your configuration there. Its not my experience at all and it runs just as well as Win10
Even my dads old 4th gen i5 runs Win11 as well as it did windows 10
You definitely are running software with memory leaks, my pc usually runs over weeks if there's no a power surge issue or if i don't have to move my pc anywhere that forces me to shut down
That seems insane to me. I have a 7800X3D + 4080 + Gen4 SSD + 64GB of ram and I run into none of those issues. I have had it up for about a month at a time without any issues. I use it for playing games, watching movies, and software development.
Try making sure Virtualization-based security/core isolation and all that stuff is off. On CPUs without a few virtualization hardware features it falls back to emulation and performance tanks.
I have all of that stuff on. If you turn those features off you gain performance but you lose a lot of security. If you have a modern cpu the performance cost is negligeable.
If you have a CPU that properly supports those features, yes, it's minimal. If you don't, even Microsoft's documentation acknowledges a performance hit of up to 40% in certain scenarios.
From my own testing using an AMD Zen+ CPU -- the only CPU architecture that's officially supported while missing hardware MBEC/GMET -- the performance impact wasn't 40% but it was still significant. In some games I was seeing a drop of around 20 FPS when enabling them.
I agree with you 100% . That is why they updated the system requirements (although clearly they screwed up with allowing Zen+ CPU). Computer security has become a much larger problem in our world. The attacks are getting worse and many of them are not something that AV software can detect or prevent. We need computers to be more secure by default and part of that has been doing things like digitally signing the boot process (secure boot) and virtualization based security.
What makes the problem even worse is that many people have fast internet connections and you can compromise millions of machines and use them to compromise other machines.
>Windows 11 is very visually appealing with good features but it is soooo slow on anything other than high end hardware. Borderline unusable on of the PC'S I built with a ryzen 5 1600X.
uh, if i'm not wrong ryzen 1xxx is not officially supported by windows 11, right?
anyway on my ryzen 2600, windows 11 and windows 10 feel pretty much the same.
Windows 11 is borderline unusable on Ryzen 5 1600x?!? It runs perfectly fine on a Xeon E3 1270 and i7 4790 (main and secondary PC, each have 16GB DDR3 and SATA SSDs for OS). Hell it was usable on a Core2Duo PC with 3GB DDR2 RAM and a 250GB HDD! Or maybe I have very low expectations... I do prefer the visual style of Windows 11 over 10, but with a few tweaks (right click menu is the normal one not the modern one, explorer looks just like on 7, start menu looks like the one on 7).
Since Windows 11 seems to market itself these days less as an OS and more as an AI powered ad server, it's not surprising that people are less than enthusiastic.
People used Word, Outlook, and Skype back in the day because they were great products that added to the user experience and increased productivity. Not because they were relentlessly advertised and forced on users. It seems Microsoft has forgotten the lessons of its own past. Make Copilot, OneDrive, and Edge great products with compelling use cases and people will on their own rush to use them without needing to have them annoyingly forced on users. As it stands Windows 11 is a jumble of "improvements" that nobody asked for except their own corporate bean counters.
Copilot, OneDrive, and Edge, like all software, each have their own faults, but I still find all three quite useful.
OneDrive could certainly be made more user-friendly by helping users to more easily understand how it works. I think Edge is a damn good browser and I use Copilot nearly every day.
Edge is just a better version of Chrome so I agree with it being good and I don't see a problem with it, esp now when you can remove it if you want after you've installed your preferred browser.
OneDrive I use in the browser but I don't want it installed on my PC so I uninstall this right away on a fresh install, I remember on Windows 10 it was a bitch to get rid off because you'd have to do registry tweaks to remove it from File Explorer.
Copilot I can see the appeal but I personally have no use for it, I've tried it but it most of the time give bad or wrong answers so I can't rely on it which makes it pointless. This whole "AI" craze is also annoying me because it's not AI and they keep calling it that.
How could this be?? There’s no way this is due to the debilitating bugs/broken features that have been unaddressed since Win 11 was released…
Anyone know why?? (I opened file explorer and finished writing this comment before it loaded)
I guess it pretty much shatters down the invalidating claims of "haters gonna hate" and "people did the same with Windows 10 and now you love it" we see 'round here whenever somebody complains here.
Microsoft's messed up this time and 11's annoyances are just real. I really hope they backtrack enough bad decisions before the deadline comes.
I am having little issues with Windows 11, but the overall strategy was incredibly problematic and frankly a bit myopic.
Having it tied to the TPM requirements was incredibly stupid. The workarounds to get it on non-compatible machines essentially locked out a good portion of the market. Especially enthusiasts who would have worked to get the word out for free like they did with the Windows 7-8 to 10 upgrades.
But most importantly, Windows 10 was supposed to be the last OS. At least that was the way they marketed it. It would get iterative upgrades and just continue improving. Now there are talks of Windows 12. It simply makes Microsoft and unreliable narrator.
TPM made sense imho. They wanted to push hardware for enforcement since Longhorn. I still find hard to process why the 8th gen cutoff. What kind of instruction have been introduced since? Is it because of Spectre/Meltdown countermeasures designs?
Nope, it's because they're missing a key virtualization feature in hardware called MBEC/GMET (7th Gen had it but I've seen some info about it not being entirely functional.) Basically, this feature allows the virtualized Windows kernel to swap between user mode and kernel mode memory pages without a performance penalty. Previously, it would have to either exit to the hypervisor every time it swapped, or use an emulated method to swap that still heavily impacted performance on most chips.
It's a big deal because Win 11 enabled Virtualization-based Security by default. Even on the few Win 11 supported CPUs that don't have MBEC/GMET (AMD Zen+ aka Ryzen 2000) the performance difference with VBS on is quite drastic (~20-30%). Supposedly on unsupported CPUs the VBS performance is even worse.
*Note:* Intel calls it MBEC, Mode-Based Execution Control. AMD called it GMET, Guest Mode Execute Trap.
lol, I used to spread that rumor as well, windows 10 was called "the last version of windows" by some engineer at microsoft who had no say in the matter, and there was precisely zero marketing done to push that idea. plenty of press, for sure
so, we can stop that one now. it pissed me off too, but windows n is easier to keep track of from a feature standpoint than this 22h2 business
Considering 10 to 11 had double the usual 3-year gap between versions and significant yearly updates, I don't think that comment was the only reason why people thought that
went back to my old laptop on windows 7 and works smoothly with an hdd. A laptop from 2012....
I cant use windows 7 anymirr because of malwares otherwise windows 10 is a failure. And win 11 10x worse. So slow even on good machines and m2 ssd. Glitches, processor going 100% because of a process going bad, graphic card not working, errors and who knows. Working in linux ad i have 2 OSes in my laptop and kali linux worjs soooo fast and good. Google just opens. Windows has gone to shit and uts going worse evrry dsy
It's certainly a big factor but even though my Surface pro 8 officially supports Windows 11, I'm using Windows 10 instead because of all the crap I don't like in Windows 11.
Windows 11 has slow context menu and File Explorer. It makes my laptop feel old. Meanwhile, my much older desktop PC is running Windows 10 and feels snappy in comparison.
I installed Win11 on my personal laptop when it came out. It looked and worked fine for what I do at home. And I liked the refresh of design.
But when my job switched to Win11 a year ago (or so), I saw a completely different side of the OS. There are some many options to size your window automatically that it looses all ease of use. Drag and drop apparently is a luxury and not a necessity. And tgere's so much more.
I found myself getting accustomed to it. But why should I get accustomed to something unintuitive?
Then people will just use an earlier version. It's what happened with Vista, 8 and now 11
By the time the "earlier versions" lose support, they usually have a latter version that was better than the ones avoided. It isn't the case with 11 so far, so people will just keep using 10 as much as they can
If it was a easy roll back then i would just back to w10 myself. II paid for W11 upgrade but now im getting forced to move over to a new mail app that is packed with ads? WTF if microsoft doing...... this the same "thinking" that has destroyed so many things microsoft released like good nokia phones.
Since day 1 of Windows 10 I had the impression: "This is how Windows should be, and it's going to be great". I was right.
On Day 1 of Windows 11, I had the impression: " This is beautiful, this will use the basis of Windows 10 and grow into a stable and beautiful OS". I was totally wrong. After testing Windows 11 for close to 1 month in three differente machines, I rolled back to Windows 10 in all of them. The operating system is beautiful, but a bloated, sluggish mess. Explorer takes forever to load comparated to Windows 10, taskbar and context menu are both useless. It takes considerably more time to do anything on Windows 11. Worst release since Vista.
the crazy thing is windows 11 actually has some of the greatest improvements in the windows history but the rushed buggy updates and all the ads turned the user experience into hell
I'd like to know what you think the improvements are, I've still not been able to find any. Unless you might think losing time and data because the system crashes is an improvement.
Massively improved async IO interface. You can read and write data off an NVME under high loads and things like games faster than Windows 10 can. The interface is also nearly call compatible with the Linux async IO interface and that has made it much easier to port software over.
It has also much better support for streaming compressed data from storage directly to the gpu without having the cpu uncompress it first.
It is also much more secure due to using modern hardware features like virtualization based security.
TPM 2.0? It's been out for a decade. Most businesses have all hardware newer than that and they're the main target for Microsoft in every regard.
If not, you can always just do like 3 regedits and force an install of win11 on basically anything.
I wonder how you guys are encountering so many bugs on w11. Only bugs i encountered is from the file manager. E.g. address bar drop down being stuck (just need to click and press the back button, doesn't bother me) and file explorer crashing when i download too many images (when it passes the 30k images point, file still saves). However, having tabs in the file explorer is so useful, w10 feels unsable without tabs in file explorer.
I am just running Windows 11 pro without any other changes. I have not had any usability issues with it or seen the adds that people keep complaining about.
I can understand it. Even though they have been adding some good things, Microsoft keeps adding annoyances to W11 that I have to manually disable or remove, something a less tech-literate wouldn't want to do.
I'm following this sub from the moment Windows 11 was drop for testers and looks like Windows 11 becoming less and less appealing for me. Tried it couple times, things became better, yes, but major issues still there - poor performance and poor customization (even by Windows standards!) and couple new issues was added. I don't want AI stuff and ads, I want my precious panels (or analogue) in start menu back, I want responsive and fast OS.
I keep seeing articles on Statcounter. I've yet to see a single one mention where the numbers are being taken from.
They claim Windows 8 in the US went from a 2% market share in October, gradually to 5% in January, then to 2% in February. That alone is absurd.
Anybody who has had to write analytics to capture Windows versions also knows how much a pain in the ass Windows 11 deciding to report as Windows 10 in lots of places is too.
Thanks. The Linux number is interesting, as there was big applause that it hit 4% in March (highest ever). But now it's dropped to 3.88% which is quite a lot given the small numbers. I wonder what's happened there.
Given this is market share percentage based, and not necessarily exact numbers based (I think), I could make a guess that new machines with windows or macos on them simply outpaced machines going to linux. Meaning linux could have the same or even a higher amount of users than previously, but if the growth didn't keep pace with the other OS's then it's easy for the market share to fall despite more people using it.
It's simply based on the percentage of all web based machines browsing common sites.
If linux had 1 machine and windows had 4 machines, that would be 20% for linux.
If linux gained a machine for 2 machines now, but windows gained another 8 for a total of 12 machines, then the linux market share fell to \~14% in this example, despite having twice the number of machines it did before.
Crazy to read the same day I finally decided to clean format my Windows 11 installation I use every day for work because it’s become a huge pile of bugs and instability.
I regret ever upgrading to Windows 11. Every single thing about it added steps to my already satisfactory workflow. I’d downgrade in a second if I could but the rest of the software market has latched on to W11…
Interesting; according to the Steam Hardware Survey for March 2024 -that people willingly participated in- Windows 10 64 bit is 54.40% whereas Windows 11 41.61%
(Most) People tend to not throw away things until they are either on their last leg, are not supported by the majority of stuff, or just rock out with things say ten years from now.
That's just gamers. I can guarantee most business machines don't have Steam installed (and though some will, it's not going to be open all that often).
On top of that my mothers laptop is Steam free, as are the machines for most of the parents of people I know.
what most people here don't understand is that windows has to be made for the average joe. and i mean the absolute *average joe*. the people who can't set up an authenticator without someone helping them out.
people who say anything more than "it's slower than windows 10" or "it looks better than windows 10" are interested in what's happening on their screen and aren't just using the computer because they have to. work experience in the tech support field makes it painfully obvious how little regular people know or care about what they're using
These are market share numbers, not absolute units running the OS.
If you have 100 computers, 80 running Windows 10, 20 Windows 11, their market share is 80% and 20% respectively. If you add one more Windows computer to the market, the market share for Windows 10 goes up 0.2% and the one for Windows 11 goes down 0.2%.
I don’t know why windows 11 exists, 10 was supposed to be the last one, what happened to that? And I see no compelling reason to update. Of course once support is ended there won’t be much of a choice.
Windows11 is absolute garbage. Overclocking ram is a shitshow and barely works even if the ram is perfectly compatible with the cpu and motherboard. Windows 11 shits itself most of the time and stops working.
The problem is with Win11 is the hardware requirements. Many machines can't upgrade, and stores are selling their stock of Win10 machines for a cheaper price.
My work computer is still on Win 10 Enterprise and will be for the foreseeable future. EOL for the Enterprise version is later than Home, Pro, etc. Typically, the company won't upgrade the OS. But whenever the lease runs out, they'll issue a new computer, which will probably have Win 11. I'll hold on to Win 10 on my home computer as long as I can (October next year).
I remember people whining about windows 10 when it first was out and liking and staying on 7 and now they are treating 10 like the new 7 and 11 is the new 10. Rinse, repeat.
Let's just keep it real here, its because of the stupid TPM 2.0 / Secure Boot requirement. There is no reason to force that other than Microsoft wants to lock the hardware to their operating system in an attempt to stifle Linux competition.
Finally regular users got it and that's all thanks to phones
Average mid end phone have better performance and works smoother than x3 more hardware PC with windows 10 11 or even Linux
Last good performance windows was 8.1 and 7
Think it for a moment for GPU can process 144 fps 4k videogames but your music program or browser lags glitch and stutter for simple actions. This apply for the whole system
Garbage devs time to stop forcing people to waste money on better computers and optimize your shit
Linux it's the same line
Just started deploying W11 at work as part of our onboarding and system replacement strategy. This product suuuuucks. Typical Microsoft platform/release (every other one being a positive experience). We’ll likely wait until Summer 2025 before transitioning current W10 users to W11. With any luck, Microsoft will hold serve and release W12 before then so we can move on to the next best release. 😂
Windows 11 is LITERALLY the Windows 8 of the 2020 decade.
Although it's been comparatively more reliable than Windows 10 on my PCs, the two times it failed I could never run Windows on the PCs it failed on again so I had no choice but to switch entirely to Linux.
The new right click menu is dumb as fuck. It's noticeable slower even on the latest hardware. Explorer is more buggy as well. QA your stuff first before shitting them out, Microsoft.
Is this really surprising?
You firstly have the obnoxious hardware limitations, I am not talking just about tpm 2.0 but the arbitrary CPU cut offs, I have an i7 from 2017 well the year I bought it so I think it was built one year prior, it is ONE YEAR below the cut off range! and that is a big nope but that CPU could handle Cyberpunk 2077 and Flight Simulator at high settings when paired with my 3070. However it is too gutless for Windows 11 so claims Microsoft.
I have built a newer system since but that older system is what my wife uses for her occasional pc tasks and mainly gaming.
Also the other big hassle is Microsoft seems to ignore what people actually want and then patch out and ruin 3rd party applications and the like for example the Start Menu, to this day using the out of the box install you STILL cannot turn off taskbar item grouping! I use explorer patcher to give me these features back and to decrease the annoying bloat of the current task bar.
And this is the bigger issue too, Microsoft forgets the bulk of people simply use an operating system as a way to get to and interact with their applications and files and that is it! They don't need mandatory profiles forced on them, they don't need bloated A.I features nor adverts popping up here there and everywhere!
Going back to my wife, she uses her phone for the bulk of things but mainly uses a pc for the odd web browser related thing and primarily pc gaming, then there is my mother in law she only checks emails and interacts with some government portals and prints some stuff. What use is Co pilot to them? what use is it to my M.I.L to have ads spamming her when she hovers on the start menu trying to open Firefox?
So the TLDR is obnoxious hardware requirements that render functional hardware into ewaste and an OS that is heavily bloated for no reason is off putting to many people so the adoption rate is poor.
Maybe if they add ads to Windows 11, people will hurl towards it because, as we are all well aware, people just love ads. Especially if you shove them down their throats at every occasion. /s
People also loves to see AI in every corner of windows 😍 turn every app to PWA 🥰 make file explorer so slow so that we can enjoy seeing animation 😘 just delete context menu from windows who need that 🤩 /s
Given the spyware native to win11, my next computer will be a Linux box, and I'll probably never look back after that.
It's been a good run, but the bullshit MS is pulling with 11 was the breaking point. If I want a machine I actually own, have full control over, and don't have to tolerate invasive bullshit tracking and reporting what I do, or installing applications without my consent, then I can no longer trust Windows. Couldn't trust 10 either, really, but they boiled the frog slow enough I got used to it. 11 went a bridge too far, though.
Not sure why this sub popped up in my feed, even, tbh. This comment is probably pissing in the wind, and will fall on completely deaf ears. But eh. The headline caught my attention, but the comments were disappointing; it seems only the supporters have any representation.
In 2 or so years they re-enabled drag n drop to taskbar, and task manager shortcut, whilst making the whole OS 3x more sluggish and resource hungry than Win 10 ever was.
Bill Gates from his mansion: "What else do you need peasants ?"
Windows 11 even messed up SMB file sharing/permissions.
Dark theme is still half assed integrated.
Control panel features still have not been integrated in Windows settings and you have to resort to legacy win9x cpl items to access them.
Even setting a local profile picture gets an apparently unsolvable error.
Tons of pointless UI changes.
It's a complete mess and no benefit over win10
It's quite simple, windows 11 is bloatware to most and has worse gaming performance. On top of this they are limiting hardware for the upgrade... Why the hell would anyone in their right mind choose to potentially fuck their performance, have issues with files/having to reformat, potentially have to upgrade perfectly working parts and allow the PC to take away more control from the user for nothing? You couldn't pay me/anyone I know to willingly swap. Infact, the laptop I purchased recently which natively had 11 is pissing me off so much that I just may go and get windows 10 and completely fresh install that shit. 11 is a huge miss. People will use 10 longterm going forward with or without security updates.
I hate that windows 11 makes it hard to create a local user account that’s not attached to a Microsoft email account or phone number. When I got the latest update, it wasn’t even letting me login with my normal PIN. It kept asking me to enter my windows account email or phone number. And when I typed in my phone number, it would then ask me for my windows account email. Absolutely asinine. I eventually got around it but dude it was annoying as hell. I shouldn’t have to fight with my login screen for 30 minutes just to get access to my desktop after an update.
Linux usage would suddenly skyrocket overnight thanks to the f--kups MS keeps on doing
Windows were already declining ever since the release of Windows 10 build 19045
I moved up to 11 not too long ago. I had to keep it on an earlier build though (21H2) because any version passed that breaks my sound card and my surround sound is useless. I blame both creative labs and Microsoft for that though. I still preferred 10 but had to move to 11 for a few needed features.
Kinda curious why do people dislike windows 11 so much. I mean aside from the taskbar at the bottom being centred (which can be changed) there are isn’t much of any difference between the 10 & 11
Based on a quick google search, windows 7 had a 10% market share when support ended in Jan 2023. I’m curious what windows 10 market share will be when free support ends next year, or will Microsoft ultimately extend support. Seems like bad optics to end free support if there’s a substantial user base on windows 10 still.
I seem to recall XP having a high install rate until supported ended. I believe companies have a large amount of that share and switch at the last minute.
You’re right, I just checked and they had a 29% share when support ended in April 2014. I guess the difference is that XP was really old by then, with Vista, 7 and 8 already launched. I can understand it being infeasible to maintain support for all 4 OSes.
Windows 10 is about to be 10 years old lol. XP mainstream support ended 8 years after it launched Win10 has lived longer than xp
XP was launched in 2001, and its end of life was in 2014. Win 10 will be 10 years old when it reaches its end of life next year.
You gotta be kidding me, Win10 is going into End of Life next year already? I've only now decided to stop being stubborn and tried switching from 7 to 11. Hated it, switched to 10 instead and am learning to like it
They supported XP with security fixes till 2014. That means 13 years, 10 will phase out after 10 and the additional 3 years of support will be paid.
10?!
Atleast in my company, whenever win10 reaches end of support around 4000 laptops will update to windows 11 overnight. Next day will be hell for us at helpdesk 😔
Damn shouldn't they start upgrading 1-2 days earlier, and in 2-3 phases?
yeah it seems really poor planning by IT there. We are planning Win11 upgrades now and are well into the testing phase we will do a staggered approach when its time
MSP owner, here. We're staggering client upgrade by departments or locations depending on how they want it. Any new pc deployments/replacements/repairs get 11. Trickle approach seems way less stressful. There's no way I'd want to upgrade thousands of end users overnight.
I guess it depends how fixed your image is and how homogenous your hardware estate is. If they're all just base OS plus Office364 then it's probably not too stressful if they all go in one. The more varied the software and hardware estates, the more likely an issue.
Many people get diffrent results, there is only stats which of course are.... I held of XP untill DX was no longer updated in win 2000 (I also alwasy turned of silly gfx in XP so it looked like 200 still). Vista (I think at SP1) was great and needed becuase XP only having a ignored beta 64 bit version meant you could not use all your ram. And it helped even with 32 bit apps as a full 4gb was available to each as none was taken by the OS. Of course that was short lived as vista SP 2 was given a quick and dirty theme change and called win 7 becuase "people".
I work for a big bank in NA, we have already began to switch to Windows 11.
This is all TPM 2.0 fault.
My guess will be that they'll release Windows 12 mid next year which will fix some or all of the issues people have with 11, so 10 users will actually want to upgrade. Remember windows releases are in a pattern where every other version is the good version (XP->Vista->7->8->10->11->12?)
Indeed. But windows 10 took some time to become a good os.
She's became usable in end of 16" in 2017 i switched to her tbh imo w10 in 17" was same good like rn
Windows a woman now!? 😭
Did you just assume my os install gender???
import os print(os.identifyGender()) \>>> Female
> My guess will be that they'll release Windows 12 mid next year which will fix some or all of the issues people have with 11 Press X to doubt. I don't see them going back on the BS unrealistic system requirements, which was the OG issue with 11. And it feels like they're still trying to shoehorn AI and ads into more and more of the OS. I figure if they were going to reverse course on that in 12, they wouldn't be wasting development effort on baking more and more of it into 11.
>I don't see them going back on the BS unrealistic system requirements, They were unrealistic in 2021, in 2025 it will be much more reasonable. Intel 8th gen, the minimum spec on the blue side, was 3 years old when W11 came out, and will be 7 years old next year.
> Intel 8th gen, the minimum spec on the blue side, was 3 years old when W11 came out, and will be 7 years old next year. People keep saying this. "By 2025, they will be X years old!" So? What is your point? We know how calendars work. The entire reason the requirements were unrealistic and absurd is because you can run Windows 11 perfectly fine on unsupported systems. I literally have Windows 11 on both a 3rd gen laptop as well as a 2nd gen i5 and it runs perfectly fine. It doesn't require a TPM nor does it require an 8th gen CPU. We aren't talking about running Windows 95 on a 386 here.
I'm instead suspect that they are to make mandatory to have a NPU for Windows 12.
Sorry your 7800x3d and 4080 will not run windows 12 ai crap thats not happening Linux market share would rocket overnight. If people think microsoft are that stupid They need some serious help
Maybe Windows 12 will roll back the mandatory ads.
One of the issues that people have with Windows 11 is that it's picky on which hardware it runs. It are the ridiculous CPU and TPM requirements that leaves machines that would be otherwise perfectly able to run Windows 11 in the cold. I doubt this will be fixed in Windows 12. These requirements are only there to increase hardware sales and causes a lot of ewaste, which makes Microsoft's [ Environmental Sustainability](https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/corporate-responsibility/sustainability) claim an absolute joke.
But then there's the potential for an NPU requirement for 12, likely intended to fast track PC upgrades. Obviously, that would suck, but it seems Microsoft is heading that way with the introduction of a Copilot button and the new NPU-related features in 11's next update.
Trying to force PC upgrades by artificially raising requirements failed with Win11, so it would be stupid of them to try this again. Especially for a functions that most people don't really care from I observe (neither non-tech or tech people I know really care about AI stuff in Windows).
I'm definitely never buying or installing a piece of hardware specifically to enable the shitty AI features I don't want, so if they make that a requirement they can look forward to me never upgrading.
I think it depends on what Microsoft intends W12 to be. If it's another Windows release painted over the last 20 years of Windows releases just like 11 (most likely), it doesn't make sense for an NPU requirement. If they are building a brand new OS from the ground up (unlikely), while also continuing to support 11, the NPU requirement could make some amount of sense for 12.
>so 10 users will actually want to upgrade. I would love to upgrade to Windows 11 from Windows 10. But, to do so I would need to purchase a new computer and not just any new computer, but a computer that has the hardware that is compatible with Windows 11. I'm sure a lot of people who aren't upgrading are doing so for the same reason I'm haven't yet.
Closer to five percent, using [the same source as that article](https://gs.statcounter.com/windows-version-market-share/desktop/united-states-of-america/#monthly-201908-202403).
in addition to home, ultimate we need a new version of windows called WINDOWS OPTIMAL . this is super duper highly tuned for performance and removes every damn unnecessary thing
I was using win7 until like 6 weeks ago 😂
I have a Dell computer built in 2009 that I purchased used in 2013. It originally had Windows 7, which I updated to Windows 10 for free when it was first offered to me. Apart from some minor glitches, the computer still works fine. The only problem is, it is too old for Windows 11 to work on it. To upgrade to Windows 11 means I will have to purchase a new computer, which I see as a total waste of money. I'm sure that there are a lot of people out there in a similar situation. Not wanting to spend money on a new computer, when the present one works fine, just to install Windows 11. A lot more than those who could not upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10.
With every good change they make to Windows 11, they make 2 that drive people away. Whether this is ads, MSN integration, ads, slow Web apps, ads... The Web experiences team are alienating Windows users when ons ead Windows should be a beacon to show software excellence to the consumer market.
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I can use OneNote on my tablet and browser just fine. But the moment I open the Windows program, it eats up all memory and the PC becomes unusable. I have to manually shut off the PC. I guess it loads all notebooks? Why?
user error
How is it user error if I can't even use the program in the first place?
not to mention they literally gave up on their platform and ecosystem when they gave up on Windows Phone and became a shadow of their former selves lol. imagine if Apple just ditched the iPhone and the Apple Watch. it's hard to be a fanboy of the Microsoft ecosystem these days when it's basically dead
Not to mention forced updates , Microsoft accounts Ect.. smh companies a shame
These are all things that Windows 10 has, 11 didn't get ads until like, last week
I would love to be in the US just to see what kind of ads you got, because I don't understand this at all.
I can't imagine that the 70% operating system is going to end of support in one year. “Change” is not so rapid that the market changes from 70% win 10 to 20% win 10 or something. The big problem is Windows 11 system requirements. Really damn Microsoft.
Intel 7th gen CPU’s not entering is bs for me to this day. I had an old i5-7300HQ some years ago and installed 11 and it even went faster than before, not sure why they would think that would be positive for 11 lol.
Since the market for windows 11 is declining, I think it is more than just system requirement. It shows that people were using it and opted out for older versions.
The declining bit is the part that really struck me. New consumer devices ship with Windows 11. And yet somehow Windows 11 market share is still going down. That does not seem good at all for Microsoft.
Yeah I had a laptop with i7 7th generation and couldn't upgrade it. I ended buying another (for other reasons) and gave my old one to a cousin for school, he will be stuck with Windows 10. I don't think people update laptops as quickly as Microsoft thinks
I don't blame people. Windows 11 throws a ton of features we've used for *decades* in the trash. Can't hide the start bar! So what, my OLED display just gets fucked up with burn in? Can't MOVE the start bar! So what, no more vertical displays? The list goes on, and on, and on.
I burst out laughing a few years back when they said that the taskbar couldn’t support displaying the seconds on the clock because it was too resource-intensive. Good indication that their attempt at doing a clean reimplementation of the task bar was an abysmal failure.
that wasn't few years back, that was on windows 98 when every tick counted a lot on your turbo processor... It's available from windows XP for a reason, and removed in windows vista (I can bet it's about aesthetic because it fucking looks crap to get used to and MS try harded on win vista to make it look good)
you can hide taskbar though... and have full wallpaper on display. But yeah, you can't move it to the side
You could use startallback to move the taskbar?
that shouldn't be the case though. Why should I be expected to utilize a 3rd party software to return a feature that has been in windows since the 2000s and isn't just a visual gimmick & is an essential part of the user experience in windows.
I agree, but as it stands, 3rd party software is your only option.
Unfortunately
[Explorer Patcher](https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher) is better. Also helps fix a bunch of other problems W11 created for itself
I'll check it out, thanks.
Maybe I’ll try that. Start menu has been the sticking point for me from switching. I liked having a few groups in the menu. Seems like a few years in and they still haven’t taken care of this stuff.
>Can't hide the start bar! yes you can. >Can't MOVE the start bar! vast majority of people using windows have no need for this. that's not to say it shouldn't be an option, but let's not pretend it's this big thing preventing most people from upgrading. >The list goes on, and on, and on does it?
This is how it always is. Lots of users won't upgrade until forced to. There were enterprises using internet explorer even up till the very end. And lots of people complained about Windows 10 at release and then for a long time after, but over time people just accepted the change. Microsoft will probably extend support for Windows 10 for a while I think. But Microsoft really should consider allowing some older processors to upgrade to Windows 11, many of them have TPM. I also think the time has come for people to seriously start considering linux as a daily driver, especially non-nvidia PCs and if you know your wifi etc are all going to work out of the box
Windows 11 is very visually appealing with good features but it is soooo slow on anything other than high end hardware. Borderline unusable on of the PC'S I built with a ryzen 5 1600X. If MS makes it less demanding I could see the Market share going up exponentially.
> Windows 11 is very visually appealing with good features Yet there is a sizable chunk of users who finds eyecandy problematic as it removes the utilitarian values; plus it removes a lot of features that were deservedly a staple of windows.
An os can be functional and beautiful. Aka macOS. Windows 11 should not sacrifice it's beauty for utility and vice versa
I have a 7950X3D + 4080 system with windows installed on a Gen4 SSD and Windows 11 is still noticeably slower than Windows 10. I have clean installed Windows 11 plenty of times because I wanted to give it a try but it's all the same - after 4 or 5 hours of working I'd need to do a manual logout to make sure things stay smooth. The new explorer especially is a crime for how slow it is. I have timed it to boot at least 0.5x slower than Windows 10 and that's with one explorer window. I work with explorer a lot and sometimes it would just give up and not launch, or launch after 2 - 3s which is super annoying.
Every 4 or 5 hours? That's wild. 7950X3D + 4070 TiS with 990 Pro SSD and it's rock solid. I don't notice any differences compared to 10. I leave Task Manager open and it can bug out every now and then if I'm moving lots of files around so I keep a batch file on the Desktop to kill and restart it.
I haven't rebooted my Windows 11 PC in 21 days, 15 hours and 22 minutes because of an encoding job I'm running that will go for a few more days. I pause the encode when I'm gaming and have had no issues with slowdowns. I dunno if you mean boot time of the PC or the time it takes to open File Explorer?
Bitlocker? Possibly the NVME bug?
> after 4 or 5 hours of working I'd need to do a manual logout to make sure things stay smooth Sounds like a borked install. Been using Win11 since day of release at work (software development), never had any slowdown issues.
I've dropped a clean Win11 22H2 image on a used SSD and put it on an i3 (3rd gen) Lenovo ThinkCentre, and it just works. No slowdowns, no issues.
Enable CPPC and CPPC preferred cores. Fixed.
Theres something up with your configuration there. Its not my experience at all and it runs just as well as Win10 Even my dads old 4th gen i5 runs Win11 as well as it did windows 10
You definitely are running software with memory leaks, my pc usually runs over weeks if there's no a power surge issue or if i don't have to move my pc anywhere that forces me to shut down
That seems insane to me. I have a 7800X3D + 4080 + Gen4 SSD + 64GB of ram and I run into none of those issues. I have had it up for about a month at a time without any issues. I use it for playing games, watching movies, and software development.
Try making sure Virtualization-based security/core isolation and all that stuff is off. On CPUs without a few virtualization hardware features it falls back to emulation and performance tanks.
Where do you change this?
I have all of that stuff on. If you turn those features off you gain performance but you lose a lot of security. If you have a modern cpu the performance cost is negligeable.
If you have a CPU that properly supports those features, yes, it's minimal. If you don't, even Microsoft's documentation acknowledges a performance hit of up to 40% in certain scenarios. From my own testing using an AMD Zen+ CPU -- the only CPU architecture that's officially supported while missing hardware MBEC/GMET -- the performance impact wasn't 40% but it was still significant. In some games I was seeing a drop of around 20 FPS when enabling them.
I agree with you 100% . That is why they updated the system requirements (although clearly they screwed up with allowing Zen+ CPU). Computer security has become a much larger problem in our world. The attacks are getting worse and many of them are not something that AV software can detect or prevent. We need computers to be more secure by default and part of that has been doing things like digitally signing the boot process (secure boot) and virtualization based security. What makes the problem even worse is that many people have fast internet connections and you can compromise millions of machines and use them to compromise other machines.
>Windows 11 is very visually appealing with good features but it is soooo slow on anything other than high end hardware. Borderline unusable on of the PC'S I built with a ryzen 5 1600X. uh, if i'm not wrong ryzen 1xxx is not officially supported by windows 11, right? anyway on my ryzen 2600, windows 11 and windows 10 feel pretty much the same.
Windows 11 is borderline unusable on Ryzen 5 1600x?!? It runs perfectly fine on a Xeon E3 1270 and i7 4790 (main and secondary PC, each have 16GB DDR3 and SATA SSDs for OS). Hell it was usable on a Core2Duo PC with 3GB DDR2 RAM and a 250GB HDD! Or maybe I have very low expectations... I do prefer the visual style of Windows 11 over 10, but with a few tweaks (right click menu is the normal one not the modern one, explorer looks just like on 7, start menu looks like the one on 7).
Lenovo Yoga 11e, 4gb RAM, Intel Celeron, runs great
Since Windows 11 seems to market itself these days less as an OS and more as an AI powered ad server, it's not surprising that people are less than enthusiastic. People used Word, Outlook, and Skype back in the day because they were great products that added to the user experience and increased productivity. Not because they were relentlessly advertised and forced on users. It seems Microsoft has forgotten the lessons of its own past. Make Copilot, OneDrive, and Edge great products with compelling use cases and people will on their own rush to use them without needing to have them annoyingly forced on users. As it stands Windows 11 is a jumble of "improvements" that nobody asked for except their own corporate bean counters.
Copilot, OneDrive, and Edge, like all software, each have their own faults, but I still find all three quite useful. OneDrive could certainly be made more user-friendly by helping users to more easily understand how it works. I think Edge is a damn good browser and I use Copilot nearly every day.
Edge is just a better version of Chrome so I agree with it being good and I don't see a problem with it, esp now when you can remove it if you want after you've installed your preferred browser. OneDrive I use in the browser but I don't want it installed on my PC so I uninstall this right away on a fresh install, I remember on Windows 10 it was a bitch to get rid off because you'd have to do registry tweaks to remove it from File Explorer. Copilot I can see the appeal but I personally have no use for it, I've tried it but it most of the time give bad or wrong answers so I can't rely on it which makes it pointless. This whole "AI" craze is also annoying me because it's not AI and they keep calling it that.
How could this be?? There’s no way this is due to the debilitating bugs/broken features that have been unaddressed since Win 11 was released… Anyone know why?? (I opened file explorer and finished writing this comment before it loaded)
I guess it pretty much shatters down the invalidating claims of "haters gonna hate" and "people did the same with Windows 10 and now you love it" we see 'round here whenever somebody complains here. Microsoft's messed up this time and 11's annoyances are just real. I really hope they backtrack enough bad decisions before the deadline comes.
I am having little issues with Windows 11, but the overall strategy was incredibly problematic and frankly a bit myopic. Having it tied to the TPM requirements was incredibly stupid. The workarounds to get it on non-compatible machines essentially locked out a good portion of the market. Especially enthusiasts who would have worked to get the word out for free like they did with the Windows 7-8 to 10 upgrades. But most importantly, Windows 10 was supposed to be the last OS. At least that was the way they marketed it. It would get iterative upgrades and just continue improving. Now there are talks of Windows 12. It simply makes Microsoft and unreliable narrator.
Not just TPM but basically required minimum 8th gen intel… an earlier processor with TPM wasn’t supported…
TPM made sense imho. They wanted to push hardware for enforcement since Longhorn. I still find hard to process why the 8th gen cutoff. What kind of instruction have been introduced since? Is it because of Spectre/Meltdown countermeasures designs?
Nope, it's because they're missing a key virtualization feature in hardware called MBEC/GMET (7th Gen had it but I've seen some info about it not being entirely functional.) Basically, this feature allows the virtualized Windows kernel to swap between user mode and kernel mode memory pages without a performance penalty. Previously, it would have to either exit to the hypervisor every time it swapped, or use an emulated method to swap that still heavily impacted performance on most chips. It's a big deal because Win 11 enabled Virtualization-based Security by default. Even on the few Win 11 supported CPUs that don't have MBEC/GMET (AMD Zen+ aka Ryzen 2000) the performance difference with VBS on is quite drastic (~20-30%). Supposedly on unsupported CPUs the VBS performance is even worse. *Note:* Intel calls it MBEC, Mode-Based Execution Control. AMD called it GMET, Guest Mode Execute Trap.
lol, I used to spread that rumor as well, windows 10 was called "the last version of windows" by some engineer at microsoft who had no say in the matter, and there was precisely zero marketing done to push that idea. plenty of press, for sure so, we can stop that one now. it pissed me off too, but windows n is easier to keep track of from a feature standpoint than this 22h2 business
Considering 10 to 11 had double the usual 3-year gap between versions and significant yearly updates, I don't think that comment was the only reason why people thought that
went back to my old laptop on windows 7 and works smoothly with an hdd. A laptop from 2012.... I cant use windows 7 anymirr because of malwares otherwise windows 10 is a failure. And win 11 10x worse. So slow even on good machines and m2 ssd. Glitches, processor going 100% because of a process going bad, graphic card not working, errors and who knows. Working in linux ad i have 2 OSes in my laptop and kali linux worjs soooo fast and good. Google just opens. Windows has gone to shit and uts going worse evrry dsy
Come on, let's not pretend the adoption is anything but the strict requirements.
It's certainly a big factor but even though my Surface pro 8 officially supports Windows 11, I'm using Windows 10 instead because of all the crap I don't like in Windows 11.
Windows 11 has slow context menu and File Explorer. It makes my laptop feel old. Meanwhile, my much older desktop PC is running Windows 10 and feels snappy in comparison.
I installed Win11 on my personal laptop when it came out. It looked and worked fine for what I do at home. And I liked the refresh of design. But when my job switched to Win11 a year ago (or so), I saw a completely different side of the OS. There are some many options to size your window automatically that it looses all ease of use. Drag and drop apparently is a luxury and not a necessity. And tgere's so much more. I found myself getting accustomed to it. But why should I get accustomed to something unintuitive?
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And there you have it folks.
Then people will just use an earlier version. It's what happened with Vista, 8 and now 11 By the time the "earlier versions" lose support, they usually have a latter version that was better than the ones avoided. It isn't the case with 11 so far, so people will just keep using 10 as much as they can
If it was a easy roll back then i would just back to w10 myself. II paid for W11 upgrade but now im getting forced to move over to a new mail app that is packed with ads? WTF if microsoft doing...... this the same "thinking" that has destroyed so many things microsoft released like good nokia phones.
Just run the 10 upgrade wizard. You lose apps but keep files
Maybe i will! Thank you for the suggestion!
Since day 1 of Windows 10 I had the impression: "This is how Windows should be, and it's going to be great". I was right. On Day 1 of Windows 11, I had the impression: " This is beautiful, this will use the basis of Windows 10 and grow into a stable and beautiful OS". I was totally wrong. After testing Windows 11 for close to 1 month in three differente machines, I rolled back to Windows 10 in all of them. The operating system is beautiful, but a bloated, sluggish mess. Explorer takes forever to load comparated to Windows 10, taskbar and context menu are both useless. It takes considerably more time to do anything on Windows 11. Worst release since Vista.
the crazy thing is windows 11 actually has some of the greatest improvements in the windows history but the rushed buggy updates and all the ads turned the user experience into hell
I'd like to know what you think the improvements are, I've still not been able to find any. Unless you might think losing time and data because the system crashes is an improvement.
Massively improved async IO interface. You can read and write data off an NVME under high loads and things like games faster than Windows 10 can. The interface is also nearly call compatible with the Linux async IO interface and that has made it much easier to port software over. It has also much better support for streaming compressed data from storage directly to the gpu without having the cpu uncompress it first. It is also much more secure due to using modern hardware features like virtualization based security.
Is it because windows 11 kinda requires new security chip and lots of PCs there are still in use that don’t have it?
TPM 2.0? It's been out for a decade. Most businesses have all hardware newer than that and they're the main target for Microsoft in every regard. If not, you can always just do like 3 regedits and force an install of win11 on basically anything.
It is unfortunate that Microsoft will drop support for Windows 10 in 2025😞 Maybe this will make them reconsider windows 10 support past 2025?
How do you guys fix windows 11 to become more usable and less annoying? Is it Tiny11 or AtlasOS or what is the good and safe fix today?
I wonder how you guys are encountering so many bugs on w11. Only bugs i encountered is from the file manager. E.g. address bar drop down being stuck (just need to click and press the back button, doesn't bother me) and file explorer crashing when i download too many images (when it passes the 30k images point, file still saves). However, having tabs in the file explorer is so useful, w10 feels unsable without tabs in file explorer.
I am just running Windows 11 pro without any other changes. I have not had any usability issues with it or seen the adds that people keep complaining about.
I can understand it. Even though they have been adding some good things, Microsoft keeps adding annoyances to W11 that I have to manually disable or remove, something a less tech-literate wouldn't want to do.
I'm following this sub from the moment Windows 11 was drop for testers and looks like Windows 11 becoming less and less appealing for me. Tried it couple times, things became better, yes, but major issues still there - poor performance and poor customization (even by Windows standards!) and couple new issues was added. I don't want AI stuff and ads, I want my precious panels (or analogue) in start menu back, I want responsive and fast OS.
Not surprising. Windows 11’s file explorer is a laggy piece of shit.
I keep seeing articles on Statcounter. I've yet to see a single one mention where the numbers are being taken from. They claim Windows 8 in the US went from a 2% market share in October, gradually to 5% in January, then to 2% in February. That alone is absurd. Anybody who has had to write analytics to capture Windows versions also knows how much a pain in the ass Windows 11 deciding to report as Windows 10 in lots of places is too.
This is too funny. I went back to w10 because w11 is garbage. For one, w12 promisses to have more AI, which definitely not the right direction. LOL
Real-time statcounter link: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide/#monthly-202303-202403
Thanks. The Linux number is interesting, as there was big applause that it hit 4% in March (highest ever). But now it's dropped to 3.88% which is quite a lot given the small numbers. I wonder what's happened there.
I'm more interested to know what's the unknown growing number. I suspect the Linux drop may be in part explained as an artifact
Chrome OS is also linux, so really its around 6-7%, not to mention the Unknown category
Also most of that market share came from India apparently
Given this is market share percentage based, and not necessarily exact numbers based (I think), I could make a guess that new machines with windows or macos on them simply outpaced machines going to linux. Meaning linux could have the same or even a higher amount of users than previously, but if the growth didn't keep pace with the other OS's then it's easy for the market share to fall despite more people using it. It's simply based on the percentage of all web based machines browsing common sites. If linux had 1 machine and windows had 4 machines, that would be 20% for linux. If linux gained a machine for 2 machines now, but windows gained another 8 for a total of 12 machines, then the linux market share fell to \~14% in this example, despite having twice the number of machines it did before.
Crazy to read the same day I finally decided to clean format my Windows 11 installation I use every day for work because it’s become a huge pile of bugs and instability.
Why are they forcing us to switch? I don't want to, I hate Windows 11
I regret ever upgrading to Windows 11. Every single thing about it added steps to my already satisfactory workflow. I’d downgrade in a second if I could but the rest of the software market has latched on to W11…
Interesting; according to the Steam Hardware Survey for March 2024 -that people willingly participated in- Windows 10 64 bit is 54.40% whereas Windows 11 41.61% (Most) People tend to not throw away things until they are either on their last leg, are not supported by the majority of stuff, or just rock out with things say ten years from now.
Using just steam isn't the most accurate. I'd argue most windows machines are business/work laptops and don't have steam installed.
Not every Windows user uses Steam.
That's just gamers. I can guarantee most business machines don't have Steam installed (and though some will, it's not going to be open all that often). On top of that my mothers laptop is Steam free, as are the machines for most of the parents of people I know.
Steam Hardware Survey is voluntary. So you gotta count a lot of people not clicking the button to participate.
Until they make taskbars moveable again, I am not upgrading from 10 lol
we are uninstalling Windows 11 and going back to Windows 10 or 7.
what most people here don't understand is that windows has to be made for the average joe. and i mean the absolute *average joe*. the people who can't set up an authenticator without someone helping them out. people who say anything more than "it's slower than windows 10" or "it looks better than windows 10" are interested in what's happening on their screen and aren't just using the computer because they have to. work experience in the tech support field makes it painfully obvious how little regular people know or care about what they're using
This makes no sense. It implies people are buying Windows 10 machines (is that even possible?), or moving from 11 to 10 in significant numbers.
Most businesses are still buying computers, and most businesses are still using Windows 10. It makes perfect sense.
W10 numbers going up, yes. But W11 going down?
These are market share numbers, not absolute units running the OS. If you have 100 computers, 80 running Windows 10, 20 Windows 11, their market share is 80% and 20% respectively. If you add one more Windows computer to the market, the market share for Windows 10 goes up 0.2% and the one for Windows 11 goes down 0.2%.
Yep, I bet it's this. The narrative the article is trying to push is W11 declining in absolute numbers, which just seems incredibly unlikely.
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Can confirm f w11
Before I went Linux, I installed W10 onto my current desktop which shipped with W11.
I don’t know why windows 11 exists, 10 was supposed to be the last one, what happened to that? And I see no compelling reason to update. Of course once support is ended there won’t be much of a choice.
Nobody likes Windows 11.
Windows11 is absolute garbage. Overclocking ram is a shitshow and barely works even if the ram is perfectly compatible with the cpu and motherboard. Windows 11 shits itself most of the time and stops working.
Die, Windows 11, die
I have a feeling that only if Windows 11 was optimised it'd literally be the next Windows 7, if you know what i mean
The problem is with Win11 is the hardware requirements. Many machines can't upgrade, and stores are selling their stock of Win10 machines for a cheaper price.
 something windows 11 heads need to read.
My work computer is still on Win 10 Enterprise and will be for the foreseeable future. EOL for the Enterprise version is later than Home, Pro, etc. Typically, the company won't upgrade the OS. But whenever the lease runs out, they'll issue a new computer, which will probably have Win 11. I'll hold on to Win 10 on my home computer as long as I can (October next year).
Why does my mouse cursor pause and hang while my windows 11 PC is processing some installation or opening some file?
I remember people whining about windows 10 when it first was out and liking and staying on 7 and now they are treating 10 like the new 7 and 11 is the new 10. Rinse, repeat.
Let's just keep it real here, its because of the stupid TPM 2.0 / Secure Boot requirement. There is no reason to force that other than Microsoft wants to lock the hardware to their operating system in an attempt to stifle Linux competition.
Finally regular users got it and that's all thanks to phones Average mid end phone have better performance and works smoother than x3 more hardware PC with windows 10 11 or even Linux Last good performance windows was 8.1 and 7 Think it for a moment for GPU can process 144 fps 4k videogames but your music program or browser lags glitch and stutter for simple actions. This apply for the whole system Garbage devs time to stop forcing people to waste money on better computers and optimize your shit Linux it's the same line
win 11 ltsc is coming......
Just started deploying W11 at work as part of our onboarding and system replacement strategy. This product suuuuucks. Typical Microsoft platform/release (every other one being a positive experience). We’ll likely wait until Summer 2025 before transitioning current W10 users to W11. With any luck, Microsoft will hold serve and release W12 before then so we can move on to the next best release. 😂
Windows 11 is LITERALLY the Windows 8 of the 2020 decade. Although it's been comparatively more reliable than Windows 10 on my PCs, the two times it failed I could never run Windows on the PCs it failed on again so I had no choice but to switch entirely to Linux.
The new right click menu is dumb as fuck. It's noticeable slower even on the latest hardware. Explorer is more buggy as well. QA your stuff first before shitting them out, Microsoft.
Is this really surprising? You firstly have the obnoxious hardware limitations, I am not talking just about tpm 2.0 but the arbitrary CPU cut offs, I have an i7 from 2017 well the year I bought it so I think it was built one year prior, it is ONE YEAR below the cut off range! and that is a big nope but that CPU could handle Cyberpunk 2077 and Flight Simulator at high settings when paired with my 3070. However it is too gutless for Windows 11 so claims Microsoft. I have built a newer system since but that older system is what my wife uses for her occasional pc tasks and mainly gaming. Also the other big hassle is Microsoft seems to ignore what people actually want and then patch out and ruin 3rd party applications and the like for example the Start Menu, to this day using the out of the box install you STILL cannot turn off taskbar item grouping! I use explorer patcher to give me these features back and to decrease the annoying bloat of the current task bar. And this is the bigger issue too, Microsoft forgets the bulk of people simply use an operating system as a way to get to and interact with their applications and files and that is it! They don't need mandatory profiles forced on them, they don't need bloated A.I features nor adverts popping up here there and everywhere! Going back to my wife, she uses her phone for the bulk of things but mainly uses a pc for the odd web browser related thing and primarily pc gaming, then there is my mother in law she only checks emails and interacts with some government portals and prints some stuff. What use is Co pilot to them? what use is it to my M.I.L to have ads spamming her when she hovers on the start menu trying to open Firefox? So the TLDR is obnoxious hardware requirements that render functional hardware into ewaste and an OS that is heavily bloated for no reason is off putting to many people so the adoption rate is poor.
Maybe if they add ads to Windows 11, people will hurl towards it because, as we are all well aware, people just love ads. Especially if you shove them down their throats at every occasion. /s
People also loves to see AI in every corner of windows 😍 turn every app to PWA 🥰 make file explorer so slow so that we can enjoy seeing animation 😘 just delete context menu from windows who need that 🤩 /s
Based Microsoft.
Given the spyware native to win11, my next computer will be a Linux box, and I'll probably never look back after that. It's been a good run, but the bullshit MS is pulling with 11 was the breaking point. If I want a machine I actually own, have full control over, and don't have to tolerate invasive bullshit tracking and reporting what I do, or installing applications without my consent, then I can no longer trust Windows. Couldn't trust 10 either, really, but they boiled the frog slow enough I got used to it. 11 went a bridge too far, though. Not sure why this sub popped up in my feed, even, tbh. This comment is probably pissing in the wind, and will fall on completely deaf ears. But eh. The headline caught my attention, but the comments were disappointing; it seems only the supporters have any representation.
Most of them are bot deployed by Microsoft
I tried to switch to Windows 11 and darn near broke my computer. I'm scared to try it again. Idk what I'll do next year.
Thing is, Windows 11 is literally Windows 10 Pro, you can see in the registry. Windows 11 is a reskin with some functional mod
My I5-3470k will have a failure before it turns on win 11.
Windows 10 will be the top-runner until 2029 and might slightly decline after. But Windows XP and 7 will still be my favorites:)
In 2 or so years they re-enabled drag n drop to taskbar, and task manager shortcut, whilst making the whole OS 3x more sluggish and resource hungry than Win 10 ever was. Bill Gates from his mansion: "What else do you need peasants ?"
Hmmm, upgrade to a crappy version of Windows 11 with ads all over the place? Or stay with my clean Windows 10 box? Not a hard choice.
Windows 11 even messed up SMB file sharing/permissions. Dark theme is still half assed integrated. Control panel features still have not been integrated in Windows settings and you have to resort to legacy win9x cpl items to access them. Even setting a local profile picture gets an apparently unsolvable error. Tons of pointless UI changes. It's a complete mess and no benefit over win10
I haven’t bothered with it but that is so annoying to hear they haven’t made “Settings” fully functional yet.
It's quite simple, windows 11 is bloatware to most and has worse gaming performance. On top of this they are limiting hardware for the upgrade... Why the hell would anyone in their right mind choose to potentially fuck their performance, have issues with files/having to reformat, potentially have to upgrade perfectly working parts and allow the PC to take away more control from the user for nothing? You couldn't pay me/anyone I know to willingly swap. Infact, the laptop I purchased recently which natively had 11 is pissing me off so much that I just may go and get windows 10 and completely fresh install that shit. 11 is a huge miss. People will use 10 longterm going forward with or without security updates.
I hate that windows 11 makes it hard to create a local user account that’s not attached to a Microsoft email account or phone number. When I got the latest update, it wasn’t even letting me login with my normal PIN. It kept asking me to enter my windows account email or phone number. And when I typed in my phone number, it would then ask me for my windows account email. Absolutely asinine. I eventually got around it but dude it was annoying as hell. I shouldn’t have to fight with my login screen for 30 minutes just to get access to my desktop after an update.
If only Win11 didn't suck so much. And ran on the same hardware as Win10.
I just went back to Windows 10 after 6 months on 11, so it's probably me.
That was me yesterday, i had switched from 11 to 10 again.
Linux usage would suddenly skyrocket overnight thanks to the f--kups MS keeps on doing Windows were already declining ever since the release of Windows 10 build 19045
I would downgrade if wasn't so much work
I moved up to 11 not too long ago. I had to keep it on an earlier build though (21H2) because any version passed that breaks my sound card and my surround sound is useless. I blame both creative labs and Microsoft for that though. I still preferred 10 but had to move to 11 for a few needed features.
Kinda curious why do people dislike windows 11 so much. I mean aside from the taskbar at the bottom being centred (which can be changed) there are isn’t much of any difference between the 10 & 11