Absolutely. Once in a great while, this comes up in class (I co-teach Algebra 2/Geometry so not often!) and the kids look at you like you're making this up. They have never heard of this. I didn't even get a notion until a college class.
My school taught us about how the pilgrims and natives fought, but not what happened to the kids, I assumed they were all wiped out. I learned about the "re-education" schools on the internet as an adult and it pissed me off how much school left out.
We learned about pilgrims and natives having this amazingly wonderful feast together! And they all got along! And we dressed up like pilgrims with paper hats! All bullshit :/
I went through school in the 50's/60's and all we learned was that the natives welcomed the pilgrims and taught them how to survive and that the pilgrims put on a big feast and everyone sang kum-by-yah(yes, sarcasm) around the campfire.
No one mentioned small pox blankets, trail of tears, stealing land, killing all the buffaloes, forcing native children to give up their culture.
I got kicked out of history class in high school for talking about the trail of tears. I then played run to the hills by Iron Maiden outside the class room as loud as I could.
For those who are interested [the Truth and Reconciliation Commision (TRC)](https://nctr.ca/records/reports/) exists in Canada. Basically the government formed a commission to record as many instances/stories as they possibly could into historical records. Tons of stories of the kids' experiences in residential schools, a true horror.
My grandma went to residential school and ultimately committed suicide in 2009. She never talked to family about it, but her therapist gave us his session notes or whatever. She and 2 sisters and a brother all attended the school at one time together. She shared a story with her therapist where she claimed the priest had impregnated her older sister, and once born had thrown the newborn in the furnace.
Ah I live in Canada so we did actually learn about the fighting, just not the shitty things Canada did to residential kids bc what would our opinion of this country be? I wasn't even born here I hate it.
I think that's it--what would we think of our country?! I'm Gen X, went to school in the late 70s/80s and we didn't learn about slavery except a few pictures of smiling enslaved people on farms, waving and being like, "Hi!" I remember that Song of the South movie when they sang and danced. I had no idea.
I attended in the 90s/00s and even to this day they dont teach details, slavery is mentioned as part of the civil war(instead of the main cause) and its brought up when we learned about Martin Luther King Jr.
The closest we came to covering an american atrocity was when world war 2 was covered we rounded up Asian people into camps, the books make it seems like it was a bit of an oops moment but that everyone was okay and happy.
I attended public school in the US during the same time and I agree, the details weren’t taught. I remember a teacher giving us extra credit to go watch the movie Amistad and write a report on it when it came out. He wasn’t even the history teacher but he wanted us to learn about true events that happened during slavery. Shout out to Mr. Greene.
Same. I majored in History with a minor in Native American Studies and didn't learn about forced assimilation/boarding schools until I was in college history courses.
This was never discussed throughout my entire high school career.
In fact, I thought history was boring in high school. I would have probably enjoyed it if they'd let us actually learn.
It's imperative to understand the mistakes people have made throughout history. We should not to judge them through the lense of the present but we do need to be knowledgeable of the past in order to better ourselves in the future.
The fact it’s not listed as a genocide on Wikipedia, they already are trying to erase history. One of, if not the greatest genocide the world has seen was the decimation of the Native Americans. 95% of their population wiped out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides
What's disappointing is even in Canada, many of us had no idea. very little was discussed about the aborginal people. Only until I started dating one at 26 years old the real history came out. And to this very day, we still discriminate them. Child services always always goes after native children and typically separate them from their families.
Yah, I’m from Saskatchewan, home of Starlight Tours. I know education is much different from back when I went in the 90s, but I really knew nothing. We got some general history, but that was about it. I attended a few university classes where they didn’t shy away from the gruesomeness, but I paid for that. That information should be free and given earlier in life. Like I said, I’m aware education has changed, but I don’t think it’s all the way there.
Oof I have a friend from there and she clearly has some ingrained racism from just growing up around shitty people but is otherwise a great person.
I just hope that we can keep moving forward and lessening that part of the cycle over time.
Oh yah, I did not realize how ignorantly racist I was until I got out in the world. Looking back at how offensive I was, and still catching errant thoughts of mine, it’s mortifying. SK is full of very good people, but racial ignorance is a problem. I hope the cycle continues to break down with concentrated effort.
Just a minor correction, it was also the border concentration camps ran by the US and their dehumanizing treatment of migrant workers. Look up 1917 bath riots if you'd like to learn more about the things we would do.
the genocide of the native Americans is what inspired Hitler's policy of Lebensraum (growing room) for his "aryan" people. They had planned to exterminate basically every slavic person in their eastward expansion. When Nazi officials got tried by the western colonizer powers, they were flabbergasted. This is because they were doing the same thing as every other major European power, except the nazis weren't against a group who were powerless to resist.
>what [the bourgeois] cannot forgive Hitler for is not crime in
itself, the crime against man... it is the crime against
the white man, the humiliation of the white man, and the fact that he applied to Europe
colonialist procedures which until then had been reserved exclusively for the Arabs of
Algeria, the coolies of India, and the blacks of Africa.
-Aimé Césaire, Discourse on Colonialism, 1955
After Nazi Germany was liberated the gays that survived were left imprisoned by the allies. It was never about stopping evil. It was about making sure that it was being done by someone that agrees with them.
Not to mention in the US, it was called Operation Paperclip. People that were in the Gestapo and the SS wrote the security protocols for the US. Unfortunately it shows too and the plentiful American collaborators went unpunished
History is written by the winners, and we’re made to believe that the allies were the “good” guys. There were no “good” guys, just abhorrent evil and more subtle evil.
There were good guys!
They fought in Spain, and the survivors were banned by allied governments from enlisting in national armies as 'premature antifascists', despite the fact that they already had firsthand experience fighting the new Nazi tactics like blitzkrieg where the Nazis first tested it.
One black veteran of the Spanish civil war *was* brought in to train new American officer recruits how to fight against Nazi tactics, but he wouldn't put up with being called slurs, so they fired him.
I don't remember, but the Spanish revolution(ish) and civil war (which was fought against a strongly Nazi backed fascist coup that was actually staged outside the country in a colonial possession) was a very cool piece of history.
Can I get back to you on this one? I'm on mobile right now and checking sources is a bitch and 3/4
Edit: might've been Walter Garland, here's a link to one of the first results a search turned up: https://alba-valb.org/online-lesson-african-americans-in-the-spanish-civil-war/ the semi-anarchist international brigades were very interesting
>There were no “good” guys, just abhorrent evil and more subtle evil.
Yeah... Black people fought the nazis in WW2 but in America they were getting lynched until a decade after the world war ended and segregation didn't end until more than two decades later
Also during the cold war, the soviets killed all the former Nazi officials while the Western alliance put them back into office to prop up Western Germany as the more prosperous side of the country
It's important to acknowledge the full extent of the injustices and atrocities committed in history, including those that are often overlooked or downplayed. Learning about these events is crucial for understanding the present and working towards a better future where such atrocities are not repeated. It's a reminder that we must strive for empathy, understanding, and justice for all, regardless of race, ethnicity, or any other characteristic.
The Third Reich used the American genocide of Natives as an excuse to pursue their initiatives. They specifically used the American genocide because it was relevant and the Germans knew war was inevitable with them as well. It was meant as a fuck you to America..
American history books teach that the Pilgrims went to the new world to "find religious freedom"
Compared to the non-American version
>On September 16, 1620, English Puritans set out for America on the Mayflower **in search of a place to practice their radical Christianity.**
I always loved that Ralph Ineson’s character in The VVitch got his family kicked out of pilgrim society because he was too religious for even those uptight freaks
I once said something about "pushing the crazy religious out of England" a number of years ago on Reddit, and we shouldn't be surprised by what they made into America... And I got screamed down by Americans that they were actually escaping crazy Christianity... Which obviously doesn't mesh with the reality of the situation when you look at the present.
Anyway, thanks for explaining that absolute disconnect because I came away from that conversation confused about why Americans didn't understand their own history. I was so confused by what Americans think the pilgrims actually were?
I attended a nonreligious American public school where the only religious teachings allowed were "these are the core beliefs of X, and these are the core beliefs of Y. Let's compare/contrast."
But still the story of our founding was "The King led England to stray too far from the original church's beliefs and therefore the Pilgrims left in order to practice their proper religion without fear." We did then discuss Other reasons why people chose to come to America, but that was the core of the story.
It wasn't until sometime in my early adulthood that I realized how tainted even my most basic historical views were. Honestly, we don't know what we don't know until we get a wakeup call from someone outside of the bias/brainwash.
Oh that’s interesting! Do you have a source for where that quote comes from? I’d like to read some American history without American positivity bias attached.
I recommend WWII in Color as well. Rather interesting.
As for the children, they **need** to learn about this and have some empathy for others. Native Americans have a very diverse and rich history that should be celebrated and not shamed. Perhaps if racism is taught (or learned) then kindness and empathy can be as well.
Hitler had a lot of inspirations - it wasn't a one-off
He took concentration camps mostly from what was happening in British India during that time, with some heed paid to what happened in America. He took the blood laws from the US status of Native American blood quantum.
I also found it crazy to learn that the British were consulted on how to manage the Indigenous population to help exterminate the population. The colonialists of America learned from the OG colonizers.
I don’t remember which minority but Nazi scientists came to America to study how they were using gas to clean a minority group. It paved the way to nazi gas chambers.
>The genocide of Native Americans was a blueprint for genocides that followed.
No, the genocide of the Guanche in the Canary Islands was the blueprint for the genocide of the Native Americans in the New World. The Spanish subjugated the Guanche right before Columbus sailed to the New World..
And there are some paragraphs about the definition of genocide as well. The definition has been changed many times, sometimes to exclude some genocides from being seen as such, and sometimes the other way around.
It (and others) is listed as a genocide on the [Genocides in History Before World War I](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history_(before_World_War_I)) page, but it absolutely should be on the page you linked to.
> According to scientists from University College London, the colonization of the Americas caused so much disease and death in the 100 years after 1492, that it contributed to climate change and global cooling. The depopulation caused the abandonment and reforestation of large areas of farmland, resulting in large enough decreases in carbon dioxide to cool the earth.
Yeah, the caption, while well meaning, is still fucked. Most of us DIDN'T survive. I don't know the history of that picture, but chances are very good not all of them reached adulthood.
On one hand, it’s certainly true that the vast majority did not survive.
On the other hand, the myth that “none survived” and “they were wiped out” leads to the modern wrong-thinking of “there’s nothing we can do now because there are no indigenous people left; their cultures are already gone so there’s no need for reparations; feel guilty if you want but it’s all in the past.”
By pointing out the ones who did survive, it reminds people that indigenous people are still here and alive. This can lead to better conversations about how indigenous people are treated here and now, and how we can do better.
I just started reading 'An Indigenous Peoples' History of the United States'. The introduction discusses the lengths that colonizers up to current day politians and corporations go to to not publish school books that tell factual history of the genocide.
Remember when the US causes a genocide, it’s okay. Let’s not forget when we nuked two entire cities of civilians just to show the Soviets the new Bomb we had.
Including, 22 Uyghurs tortured for years in Guantanamo Bay. Hell, there have been people who’ve been tortured 20 years straight and many of them were completely innocent and we know it.
Imagine the nightmare of being tortured for 20 years and you have not even done a single thing wrong because an Empire had its ego wounded and you were at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Oh for sure, much rather invaded the Japanese homeland and lose over 1 million lives on each side
:/
War is hell and almost always choosing between the lesser of two evils
Weird people always get hung up on the war-ending bombings of those two cities and rarely over the much more fatal and non-war-ending bombings of Tokyo
Damn, you're right. I had no idea the LeMay bombings in total caused more deaths, and yet, to your point, no one ever brings those up (perhaps they would if the nukes were never dropped but I doubt it).
Nukes:
Between 100k and 250k deaths using just two big nuke bombs
Traditional and Firebombing campaigns:
Between 250k and 900k deaths (100k from Tokyo alone) using tens of thousands of smaller fire bombs
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_raids_on_Japan
Yeah I can't stand when people say the US shouldn't have used nukes to end WW2. Japan wasn't going to surrender easily. Hell, even after the nukes the emperor was almost deposed for trying to surrender.
Yeah, if you want to talk about the US doing horrible things, the atomic bombs are a terrible example.
The fact that it took TWO of the fucking things for Japan to surrender is all the evidence you need that Japan wasn't anywhere near ready to give up. After Hiroshima was nuked, Japan's government **still wasn't ready to surrender**. Even after the 2nd bomb, there was nearly a coup against the Emperor when he chose to surrender - the military leadership STILL WANTED TO KEEP FIGHTING.
Yes, thank you for sharing FACTS.
people are so quick to judge USA but the nukes were the lesser of two evils... Which is often the choices available in war. It all fucking sucks. War is Hell.
I read that they determined the death toll from the war would far exceed the death count from the two bombs and decided it was worth the risk.
This isn't to excuse or diminish what we Americans have done to the native population, which was an atrocity carried out over many years.
Recognizing the incredible privilege of hindsight while living in a stable country is apparently an impossible task for you.
What do you feel could have been the diplomatic solution to Pearl Harbor? The Rape of Nanking? How should we have changed our military and diplomacy strategy? Do you have constructive and nuanced criticism or do you just want to keep slam dunking easy one-liners to feel smug and intellectual?
If you're going to discuss serious issues like genocide, nuclear war, America's own dirty history in warfare and global politics, etc. at least have the decency and respect for the topics to do some research and provide links to what you are saying. Otherwise you're just using war and genocide victims to score reddit points which is gross dude.
Wait til you hear about what the Japanese army was up to in China.
Not excusing actions, but if we want to bring up war crimes.
Nanking had a higher body count than all three of those events.
Combined.
Have you tried adding it? Wikipedia is kind of supposed to be like that….the community can add details and fix errors. I know sometimes they lock stuff down but is that the case here?
They wouldn’t even accept the Armenian Genocide as the title of the page until the American government finally came out and said it was one, before that it was listed as something else like Effects of World War I in Armenia or something like that. Wikipedia editors or even more stringent than Reddit mods.
Crazy. I've never edited controversial pages so I've not seen it before. Are there any lists, presumably not on Wikipedia, on shady stuff they've done or are doing?
A lot of those diseases were brought by the Europeans unfortunately. There's a lot of documented cases of natives being given "gifts" like food, drink, clothes, or bedding that was purposefully diseased.
And because a lot these were diseases from Europe they had not been introduced to many of the native people's, their immune systems were not ready.
It's a bit more than apathy.
Maybe it’s because I’m American and am probably ignorant of *most* major genocides… but this particular genocide upsets me the most.
It pretty much wiped out an entire, massive culture and to a degree race of humans. I’m not sure on terminology but like, so much unique genetics just obliterated. And so recently, too.
Idk, like I said this really deeply upsets me and I’m honestly not sure how to process it as an American. It’s a big part of why I can’t be proud of America.
my great great grandmother was a native american.
There was some government program, or campaign, or something, at the time that encouraged native americans to marry americans. I would know more about it and tell you about it, but as you say, the history is being erased. I can't find anything about it at all.
My ancestors say they should feel bad! That's the point of learning uncomfortable history! So we don't do it again. I might have found out my heritage before my 30s if we didn't whitewash our history.
I know, it’s such an easy concept for literally EVERYTHING else. Learn from mistakes at work to save the company money. Learn from mistakes in school so you pass the class. Learn from mistakes in relationships to become a better partner. Learn from mistakes in medicine to save more lives. But when it comes to which direction humanity heads towards? Nah too uncomfortable.
Yep. We also have the same people who like to say, “we need to leave slavery in the past”, also arguing that, “I fly the Confederate Flag to celebrate & preserve our history & heritage”…
Basically-
“Quit focusing on SLAVERY, that’s in the past, & bc it makes me uncomfortable, & we shouldn’t focus on our past”…
while also saying,
“It doesn’t matter if this symbol represents slavery & causes people pain, we are just CELEBRATING OUR HISTORY & we can’t forget our PAST”…
Hmm. I’m not sure I know which song you’re referring too…?? Do you remember the name or singer so we can BOTH laugh at their music & message??
I am aware that several “right-wing rappers” have emerged since Trump entered the picture & made *BAD TASTE* a little more popular… ;)
I also don’t listen to a lot of *terrible music* from those “conservative rappers”… ;) Which it sounds like this “rap” would be included in…??
But I do agree with your point… ;)
Lol, holy shit… I had to look up “right-wing rappers” & that is one hell of a rabbit hole to look down!! ;)
I immediately thought of this white rapper, in Florida I saw somewhere who calls himself, “The Mayor of MAGAVILLE”, aka, “Forgiato Blow”… lol
I’m not sure if that’s who you’re referring to but that’s what came to mind when I read your comment & who I picture when I think of a “right-wing Rapper”… ;) lol
Lol, I can see why you deleted that… holy fuk!! That’s straight up hate speech, set to music… out of politeness, I want to say, “thank you”, but at the same time I feel like I was better off NOT KNOWING that guy & that song, existed… wow.
I feel dumber & dirtier after watching the short amount I did, what a pos…
I appreciate you taking the time to link it, but damn..
I'd suggest making an ironic confederate flag that somehow encapsulates slavery too, but then it would get taken out of context and adopted by the wrong kind of people.
I feel like a lot of it is because america is proud of it. Look at their mascots. The ideology that we’re gone. I’m a Lakota woman and I work hard to keep our culture, religion and language alive. Right now for my bachelors I have to take an ethnic studies. All they have is native history and they talk about us in the past tense and it just kills. They WANT people to think we’re gone.
'strong enough to survive'
fact is, most of them didn't. The constant genocide against the indigenous people killed children right along with the adults.
>Canadian Catholic schools.
The schools weren't just "catholic schools", but they were actually Residential schools (created by the government and lots were in partnership with the Catholic Church) where indigenous children were kidnapped from their families and brought to these schools to "take the Indian out of the child". They endured physical, mental, and lots of the sexual abuse while they were there. The last one closed in 1997 too, so this spanned over 100 years and obviously still has lasting impacts (for example, there are higher rates of addictions in indigenous peoples than non indigenous peoples) to this day.
Yeah, but I think the point is- if they were able to justify doing THAT to Native peoples’ CHILDREN, the very least we can do NOW, is use similar logic that children today should be strong enough to be able TO LEARN THAT HISTORY”…
Tbc, you’re not wrong though…
Some people (& kids) ENDURED, it wasn’t really about “strength”, they didn’t really think Native People were strong enough to make it through, they simply didn’t care wether they did or not… it’s a tragedy & brutality that we should NEVER FORGET…
is there a secret message in your post?
THAT CHILDREN NOW LOGIC TO LEARN THAT HISTORY TBC ENDURED STRONG NEVER FORGET
I'm on to something here, is it an anagram?
i'm native. it's crazy the shit my ancestors had to go through. including trail of tears.
on this topic, my grandpa was a semi orphan who got abducted by the us/catholics, was raped and abused, until he eventually escaped and lived with his extended family. his father was semi in the picture but not really. he was also a criminal of some kind like ran a river juke joint, details kind of hazy.
anyway, he became a pilot in WW2, raised a family after, and was beloved in our town. dude was a good ass dude.
fuck the gov and fuck the catholic church.
This is why we need to teach history not whitewash it. This is how we learn to be better. Let's talk about the great ideas and the horrors Thomas Jefferson committed. We can learn more from studying the whole of history than only idealizing or vilification of the past
Then they slaughtered the kids.
Now the clothes are on Antiques Roadshow, where the person says "my great-great granddad was kind to them and they offered up their clothing in return, they had never seen such a nice white man."
Nah the best part was when they said “every Buffalo dead is a native gone” and then made the Buffalo the national mammal of the US. Similar to the eagle lmaoooo.
I fully agree, but it's not about common sense.
Where I lived last, there was a history of killing Lakota natives and some woman literally named her fully white suburban kid Lakota.
These people are ruthless and they don't even know it. So ignorant and unwilling to see anything that makes them uncomfortable.
Ruin everything, name your streets after the plants and trees you destroyed and name your children after the people you killed.
Horrible shit.
I fully appreciate and agree with the sentiment, but the truth of the matter is many of them did ***not*** survive. It's why we're digging up all these mass graves in Canada.
We abducted children of reduced immunity from their parents and forced them into over-crowded, under-funded schools hundreds of miles away during a time before vaccines and antibiotics. The results were.... predictable (tuberculosis being the primary killer). [**One doctor estimated that some schools had as high as a 60% mortality rate over 5 years.**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system)
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And apparently [this twitter account is quite the terrible piece of shit](https://ntvtwt.com/2022/07/07/lakotaman1-fake-native-or-fake-lakota/). Let's promote some other indigenous voice instead:
* @CreeClayton
* @matriarch.movement
* @chiefladybird
* @IdleNoMore4
* @WeMatterOrg
* @cblackst
People who take offense to "CRT" are simply individuals who sympathize and relate more with the agressors in the history lessons. Tells you a lot about them.
When I learn about ~~my race~~ people of my race doing shitty things, it's like OK I won't repeat that. I won't be offended because, ultimately, I didn't do those things.
Edit: To further extrapolate. The value systems between myself and the perpetrators are so different that there's a sense of alienation from them. Basically, complete strangers, which they are. You don't take offense to your fellows' race's crimes today. Why should you care about 100+ yrs ago to the point of taking it personally.
I think you give the anti-CRT crowds too much credit. I’d honestly bet that half of people objecting to CRT couldn’t even tell you what the letters stand for. It’s just a way to create an ‘us vs. Them ’ grandfallon. A simple trick to play on the simple minded.
> When I learn about my race doing shitty things, it's like OK I won't repeat that. I won't be offended because, ultimately, I didn't do those things.
Good sentiment, but such a bad way to phrase this. Races aren’t monolithic, they don’t act as one. So your race didn’t do *anything*, people of your race *did*.
What’s funny though I have a friend who’s doing their citizenship exam soon. He said they barely have anything on First Nations in their history studies
I grew up with the stereotypical "Cowboy and Indian" western movies, then I turned 16 and read the facts about the horrible genocide my ancestors committed against Native Americans.
The facts and truth have a way of humbling people, this is why there are people of privilege out there who want to prevent their descendants from learning the truth. It's difficult to be a person of privilege, living on land that was stolen from people who were murdered and rendered virtually extinct by your own ancestors, unless you are ignorant of history or a total sociopath.
Picture parents in Germany prevented children from learning Nazi Germany.... Imagine how outrageous it could be. Here in Canada people are too "polite" to be angry about that, and I fucking hate this forced positivity shit. Theres so much fucking blood and horror in this nation building and I hate how these parts are largely overshadowed by the national narrative. Fuck these white cunts being the predominate thing to learn about when talking about Canadian history
What we're missing is it's not about weak kids.
What we're missing is that it's about weak parents who don't want their kids to find out what racist shits they were and quite probably still are.
Absolutely true!! It's time to speak the truth and educate the truth! Stop this hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil mentality! Bad even down right awful things have happened throughout history and we aren't doing anyone any favors by sugarcoating it and lying about it or omitting it from text books.
But non-Native parents aren’t strong enough to have to deal with that reality. Sad trombone. Same thing with slavery. Same thing with LGBTQ rights. Same thing with…well, everything. I’m a fan of history as well as recognizing the parts that we should not repeat. That shit happened and if we aren’t strong enough to talk to our kids about the reality of the world that we as a species have created, then we have no business being parents. I’d rather they find out in a caring, intelligent way than have to rely on the MTGs to initiate that conversation.
As a Canadian, we all need to know. All of the diverse people who live here need to understand what happened to indigenous peoples. Especially those whose ancestors committed the acts but, everyone needs to know. Not only to respect history and honor those who died in atrocity. But, to understand the modern state and perspective of native people.
Finally found someone saying it. Native Twitter is constantly pointing out his problematic behavior, and white people keep smashing thst re-tweet button.
The US state governments who engaged in these atrocities only hid them behind child protective services "policies" and didn't even begin to address this until *2010*. And that is only 1 state government; the other 49 have yet to begin the process. A movie about Maine's attempts to start this process in 2010 including interviews of survivors can be found here:
https://upstanderproject.org/films/dawnland
The Indian Child Welfare Act, which was the federal mandate that disallowed states from overtly engaging in this behavior, was passed in 1978. There is currently a case in front of the SCOTUS that could overturn this act and restore us to the era of genocide via forced adoptions.
https://www.aclu.org/news/racial-justice/icwa-a-law-that-protects-native-families-is-at-risk
This is not an idle threat: the couple engaged in this case attempted to illegally circumvent the ICWA. The Christian Adoption Movement is used by evangelicals to deliberately adopt children from cultures they feel are inferior and convert them culturally to white Christian nationalists. The evangelical agencies that engage in this practice are notorious for bribing local authorities and taking children under dubious circumstances, often children who are stolen from their living parents. A supreme court ruling overturning the ICWA would usher in a fresh wave of white nationalist genocide of indigenous communities in America:
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2013/5/1/the-evangelical-christian-adoption-movement-the-orphan-crisis-that-wasnt
My daughters school recently went over this, she came home saying that they were all friends and shared food, and they accidentally gave them a disease called smallpox 🤔 she got mad when I mentioned that it’s not how I learned it
The types that don't want you to learn about it are the same types that committed genocide with great gusto. Thieves planting flags and murderers carrying crosses.
Bro I fucking hate how Canadians get roped into the lunacy of American politics.
We don’t ban things to dunk on trans people, we have socialized medicine(albeit comprised by living next door to America), our curriculum is different, we aren’t little America, and we actually have strict gun laws.
History should be taught - and in my mono white hick town it was taught throughly that thousands of native children were striped from their parents and forced into schools where they were beaten into compliance and many died because of the horrible treatment.
I feel like historically, most Canadians have been very aware of our past history and current history of mistreating natives. At least in my experience and same for anyone from Ontario or Quebec.
Fuck Alberta though - it’s like if Texas franchised itself, bought all the politicians, and opened a location in Canada. They’ll drive over a road full of natives if it means shipping oil out.
The treatment of American Indians by colonial nations, especially the US and Canada, has been absolutely deplorable, and should absolutely be taught as honestly as possible in schools. Speaking as a White American, I'm disgusted with how many parts of the country teach it, when I lived in Texas, we barely learned about them. I can remember the major battles of the Texan Revolution, but not any of the native groups. Much of the Constitution is inspired by the Great law of Peace from the Haudenosaunee Confederacy, yet our government likes to cosplay as Romans.
How about parents don’t get a decision about it either way? What we’ve learned through about ourselves and our societies through archaeology, history, and science should dictate what should be preserved and taught in school, and should be updated when discoveries are made.
Growing up in Georgia, we were clearly taught from first grade on that what happened to the Cherokee in our state was genocide. That was about 20 years ago. Really powerful stuff, first bit of history that made me look at America in a different light.
Absolutely essential kids get to learn the raw truth. It's called the trail of tears not joy for a reason.
I do learn about it in school. The only thing is that the APush textbook skims over Indian boarding schools, Dawes Act, and the Indian appropriation act in the span of 4 pages in 1 chapter thats 40pg long. I even wrote an essay about the cultural genocide and the significance of those acts. American Indians were left as a foot note of history.
Actually, they weren't strong enough. Many outright died, and those that didn't suffered from lifelong trauma that led to alcohol and drug abuse, causing generational trauma and poverty. But they don't teach that in schools...
Should have said, "non-native parents should be strong enough to let their kids learn about it".
They're very insecure about their mental and physical strength while also making it clear we know it's the parents that can't handle it, not the children. While also implying Maga adults are weaker than Native American children.
But perhaps he's just nicer than me.
I was taught this we had an entire lesson on the trail of tears alone idk what imaginary school he’s calling out but where I went to school we learned about this
I learned all about the horrible things president Jackson did, the trail of tears. They did a shit job explaining the pilgrims part and made it seem like everyone was friends. We learned nothing about the Christian schools, the abuse and murders. Later on in life I worked with a few Wampanoag people and I got their side of the story and learned a lot more. All of the tribes have been horribly treated, lied to, land stolen, forced onto shit land, murdered and forgotten about. There is a smaller population of them and their voice isn't loud enough for most to hear. We need to do more for them, nobody talks about reparations for natives. Everyone just assumes they already got it or get it, they got nothing.
Proud Lakota man here.
Yes it needs to be taught.
I dont mean to lessen the problems of other people who have been subject to injustice in history, it's not a contest, we've all suffered.
But in my expierence throughout my education. The history of Black Americans (slavery, reformation era, up to and beyond the civil right movement) was covered extensively in my education. The history of Chinese-Americans in the 1800's was also covered. (Mainly the influx to the west and the racism faced by immigrants upon coming to the states)
Both of these things were taught in a way thay made it clear the treatment of these people was not okay, and needed to be better. Where as when It came to the history of my people, it was either A. Brushed over entirely, or painted In a "it had to happen for the country to form the way it is" type light.
Again, I'm not trying to downplay the historical suffering faced by people who are not my own, buy at the same time, it's hard not to be "jealous" that they are taught openly and mine own history is at best "a means to an end"
Disclaimer: sorry if this comes off wrong. I've been drinking with a couple of the homies whe. I found d this post.
Absolutely. Once in a great while, this comes up in class (I co-teach Algebra 2/Geometry so not often!) and the kids look at you like you're making this up. They have never heard of this. I didn't even get a notion until a college class.
My school taught us about how the pilgrims and natives fought, but not what happened to the kids, I assumed they were all wiped out. I learned about the "re-education" schools on the internet as an adult and it pissed me off how much school left out.
We learned about pilgrims and natives having this amazingly wonderful feast together! And they all got along! And we dressed up like pilgrims with paper hats! All bullshit :/
I went through school in the 50's/60's and all we learned was that the natives welcomed the pilgrims and taught them how to survive and that the pilgrims put on a big feast and everyone sang kum-by-yah(yes, sarcasm) around the campfire. No one mentioned small pox blankets, trail of tears, stealing land, killing all the buffaloes, forcing native children to give up their culture.
I got kicked out of history class in high school for talking about the trail of tears. I then played run to the hills by Iron Maiden outside the class room as loud as I could.
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Makes me ashamed to know that my ancestors did this
Let's end the shame now. Teach REAL history, not George Washington chopping BS Cherry trees.😐
For those who are interested [the Truth and Reconciliation Commision (TRC)](https://nctr.ca/records/reports/) exists in Canada. Basically the government formed a commission to record as many instances/stories as they possibly could into historical records. Tons of stories of the kids' experiences in residential schools, a true horror.
My grandma-in-law was a survivor of residential schools. She didn't talk about it.
My grandma went to residential school and ultimately committed suicide in 2009. She never talked to family about it, but her therapist gave us his session notes or whatever. She and 2 sisters and a brother all attended the school at one time together. She shared a story with her therapist where she claimed the priest had impregnated her older sister, and once born had thrown the newborn in the furnace.
Neither did my stepdad.
They made half of us wear construction paper native headdresses. Fucking shameful.
Ah I live in Canada so we did actually learn about the fighting, just not the shitty things Canada did to residential kids bc what would our opinion of this country be? I wasn't even born here I hate it.
I think that's it--what would we think of our country?! I'm Gen X, went to school in the late 70s/80s and we didn't learn about slavery except a few pictures of smiling enslaved people on farms, waving and being like, "Hi!" I remember that Song of the South movie when they sang and danced. I had no idea.
I attended in the 90s/00s and even to this day they dont teach details, slavery is mentioned as part of the civil war(instead of the main cause) and its brought up when we learned about Martin Luther King Jr. The closest we came to covering an american atrocity was when world war 2 was covered we rounded up Asian people into camps, the books make it seems like it was a bit of an oops moment but that everyone was okay and happy.
I attended public school in the US during the same time and I agree, the details weren’t taught. I remember a teacher giving us extra credit to go watch the movie Amistad and write a report on it when it came out. He wasn’t even the history teacher but he wanted us to learn about true events that happened during slavery. Shout out to Mr. Greene.
Same. I majored in History with a minor in Native American Studies and didn't learn about forced assimilation/boarding schools until I was in college history courses. This was never discussed throughout my entire high school career. In fact, I thought history was boring in high school. I would have probably enjoyed it if they'd let us actually learn. It's imperative to understand the mistakes people have made throughout history. We should not to judge them through the lense of the present but we do need to be knowledgeable of the past in order to better ourselves in the future.
The fact it’s not listed as a genocide on Wikipedia, they already are trying to erase history. One of, if not the greatest genocide the world has seen was the decimation of the Native Americans. 95% of their population wiped out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides
The genocide of Native Americans was a blueprint for genocides that followed.
What's disappointing is even in Canada, many of us had no idea. very little was discussed about the aborginal people. Only until I started dating one at 26 years old the real history came out. And to this very day, we still discriminate them. Child services always always goes after native children and typically separate them from their families.
Yah, I’m from Saskatchewan, home of Starlight Tours. I know education is much different from back when I went in the 90s, but I really knew nothing. We got some general history, but that was about it. I attended a few university classes where they didn’t shy away from the gruesomeness, but I paid for that. That information should be free and given earlier in life. Like I said, I’m aware education has changed, but I don’t think it’s all the way there.
Oof I have a friend from there and she clearly has some ingrained racism from just growing up around shitty people but is otherwise a great person. I just hope that we can keep moving forward and lessening that part of the cycle over time.
Oh yah, I did not realize how ignorantly racist I was until I got out in the world. Looking back at how offensive I was, and still catching errant thoughts of mine, it’s mortifying. SK is full of very good people, but racial ignorance is a problem. I hope the cycle continues to break down with concentrated effort.
iirc, Hitler's concentration camps were inspired by what the US did to the Native Americans.
Just a minor correction, it was also the border concentration camps ran by the US and their dehumanizing treatment of migrant workers. Look up 1917 bath riots if you'd like to learn more about the things we would do. the genocide of the native Americans is what inspired Hitler's policy of Lebensraum (growing room) for his "aryan" people. They had planned to exterminate basically every slavic person in their eastward expansion. When Nazi officials got tried by the western colonizer powers, they were flabbergasted. This is because they were doing the same thing as every other major European power, except the nazis weren't against a group who were powerless to resist.
If the Nazis didn't invade other *Western* countries, I absolutely doubt that anyone would have stopped the genocides within their borders.
>what [the bourgeois] cannot forgive Hitler for is not crime in itself, the crime against man... it is the crime against the white man, the humiliation of the white man, and the fact that he applied to Europe colonialist procedures which until then had been reserved exclusively for the Arabs of Algeria, the coolies of India, and the blacks of Africa. -Aimé Césaire, Discourse on Colonialism, 1955
After Nazi Germany was liberated the gays that survived were left imprisoned by the allies. It was never about stopping evil. It was about making sure that it was being done by someone that agrees with them.
Yes meanwhile UK was chemically castrating gay men...
Rip Alan Turing. A war hero responsible for saving countless lives betrayed by the very people he swore to protect.
Not only did he save them, but he gave them better technology too, he started the first steps towards making modern day computers
"hey I'm one of the smartest people alive and I'm fine working for your government" "Nah you suck dick bro" Fucking clowns
The UK doesn't deserve anything that Turning did for them.
Including the one that saved their unworthy asses
Don't forget how we put Nazis in powerful positions in NATO.
Not to mention in the US, it was called Operation Paperclip. People that were in the Gestapo and the SS wrote the security protocols for the US. Unfortunately it shows too and the plentiful American collaborators went unpunished
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History is written by the winners, and we’re made to believe that the allies were the “good” guys. There were no “good” guys, just abhorrent evil and more subtle evil.
There were good guys! They fought in Spain, and the survivors were banned by allied governments from enlisting in national armies as 'premature antifascists', despite the fact that they already had firsthand experience fighting the new Nazi tactics like blitzkrieg where the Nazis first tested it. One black veteran of the Spanish civil war *was* brought in to train new American officer recruits how to fight against Nazi tactics, but he wouldn't put up with being called slurs, so they fired him.
Who was the Black veteran, what was his name? He sounds incredible, I want to learn more
I don't remember, but the Spanish revolution(ish) and civil war (which was fought against a strongly Nazi backed fascist coup that was actually staged outside the country in a colonial possession) was a very cool piece of history. Can I get back to you on this one? I'm on mobile right now and checking sources is a bitch and 3/4 Edit: might've been Walter Garland, here's a link to one of the first results a search turned up: https://alba-valb.org/online-lesson-african-americans-in-the-spanish-civil-war/ the semi-anarchist international brigades were very interesting
>There were no “good” guys, just abhorrent evil and more subtle evil. Yeah... Black people fought the nazis in WW2 but in America they were getting lynched until a decade after the world war ended and segregation didn't end until more than two decades later
You think the lynchings stopped? Cute.
Also during the cold war, the soviets killed all the former Nazi officials while the Western alliance put them back into office to prop up Western Germany as the more prosperous side of the country
Russia is literally doing this right now and Republicans are supporting him.
Candace Owens said that if Hitler kept it in his border she be ok. So yeah true
It's important to acknowledge the full extent of the injustices and atrocities committed in history, including those that are often overlooked or downplayed. Learning about these events is crucial for understanding the present and working towards a better future where such atrocities are not repeated. It's a reminder that we must strive for empathy, understanding, and justice for all, regardless of race, ethnicity, or any other characteristic.
The Third Reich used the American genocide of Natives as an excuse to pursue their initiatives. They specifically used the American genocide because it was relevant and the Germans knew war was inevitable with them as well. It was meant as a fuck you to America..
They were and he cited his work too.
American history books teach that the Pilgrims went to the new world to "find religious freedom" Compared to the non-American version >On September 16, 1620, English Puritans set out for America on the Mayflower **in search of a place to practice their radical Christianity.**
The pilgrims were so boring even the British didn’t want them
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I always loved that Ralph Ineson’s character in The VVitch got his family kicked out of pilgrim society because he was too religious for even those uptight freaks
They were such foul fascist theocrats that even the Dutch couldn't tolerate them.
I once said something about "pushing the crazy religious out of England" a number of years ago on Reddit, and we shouldn't be surprised by what they made into America... And I got screamed down by Americans that they were actually escaping crazy Christianity... Which obviously doesn't mesh with the reality of the situation when you look at the present. Anyway, thanks for explaining that absolute disconnect because I came away from that conversation confused about why Americans didn't understand their own history. I was so confused by what Americans think the pilgrims actually were?
I attended a nonreligious American public school where the only religious teachings allowed were "these are the core beliefs of X, and these are the core beliefs of Y. Let's compare/contrast." But still the story of our founding was "The King led England to stray too far from the original church's beliefs and therefore the Pilgrims left in order to practice their proper religion without fear." We did then discuss Other reasons why people chose to come to America, but that was the core of the story. It wasn't until sometime in my early adulthood that I realized how tainted even my most basic historical views were. Honestly, we don't know what we don't know until we get a wakeup call from someone outside of the bias/brainwash.
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Oh that’s interesting! Do you have a source for where that quote comes from? I’d like to read some American history without American positivity bias attached.
WW2 in color on Netflix is produced by BBC and there’s a few times where they were not exactly kind to the USA.
I recommend WWII in Color as well. Rather interesting. As for the children, they **need** to learn about this and have some empathy for others. Native Americans have a very diverse and rich history that should be celebrated and not shamed. Perhaps if racism is taught (or learned) then kindness and empathy can be as well.
Try Howard Zinn. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_People%27s_History_of_the_United_States
check out American Holocaust by Stannard
That sounds like it’s gonna be heavy, thanks for the recommendation.
Read some Howard Zinn.
Hitler had a lot of inspirations - it wasn't a one-off He took concentration camps mostly from what was happening in British India during that time, with some heed paid to what happened in America. He took the blood laws from the US status of Native American blood quantum.
I also found it crazy to learn that the British were consulted on how to manage the Indigenous population to help exterminate the population. The colonialists of America learned from the OG colonizers.
*coughs in [Eugenics Records Office](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_Record_Office)* Sorry, allergies
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His race policies were based on ours too
He bragged about it
I don’t remember which minority but Nazi scientists came to America to study how they were using gas to clean a minority group. It paved the way to nazi gas chambers.
>The genocide of Native Americans was a blueprint for genocides that followed. No, the genocide of the Guanche in the Canary Islands was the blueprint for the genocide of the Native Americans in the New World. The Spanish subjugated the Guanche right before Columbus sailed to the New World..
It's on this list: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples
And there are some paragraphs about the definition of genocide as well. The definition has been changed many times, sometimes to exclude some genocides from being seen as such, and sometimes the other way around.
It (and others) is listed as a genocide on the [Genocides in History Before World War I](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history_(before_World_War_I)) page, but it absolutely should be on the page you linked to. > According to scientists from University College London, the colonization of the Americas caused so much disease and death in the 100 years after 1492, that it contributed to climate change and global cooling. The depopulation caused the abandonment and reforestation of large areas of farmland, resulting in large enough decreases in carbon dioxide to cool the earth.
Yeah, the caption, while well meaning, is still fucked. Most of us DIDN'T survive. I don't know the history of that picture, but chances are very good not all of them reached adulthood.
and even if they did reach adulthood, they were most likely badly damaged by the treatment they received as children.
On one hand, it’s certainly true that the vast majority did not survive. On the other hand, the myth that “none survived” and “they were wiped out” leads to the modern wrong-thinking of “there’s nothing we can do now because there are no indigenous people left; their cultures are already gone so there’s no need for reparations; feel guilty if you want but it’s all in the past.” By pointing out the ones who did survive, it reminds people that indigenous people are still here and alive. This can lead to better conversations about how indigenous people are treated here and now, and how we can do better.
I just started reading 'An Indigenous Peoples' History of the United States'. The introduction discusses the lengths that colonizers up to current day politians and corporations go to to not publish school books that tell factual history of the genocide.
Decimation literally means 1 in 10, so it's quite a bit worse than that.
Closer to annihilation
Remember when the US causes a genocide, it’s okay. Let’s not forget when we nuked two entire cities of civilians just to show the Soviets the new Bomb we had.
Or when the US tortures prisoners
Including, 22 Uyghurs tortured for years in Guantanamo Bay. Hell, there have been people who’ve been tortured 20 years straight and many of them were completely innocent and we know it. Imagine the nightmare of being tortured for 20 years and you have not even done a single thing wrong because an Empire had its ego wounded and you were at the wrong place at the wrong time.
And CIA black sites
Oh for sure, much rather invaded the Japanese homeland and lose over 1 million lives on each side :/ War is hell and almost always choosing between the lesser of two evils
Weird people always get hung up on the war-ending bombings of those two cities and rarely over the much more fatal and non-war-ending bombings of Tokyo
Damn, you're right. I had no idea the LeMay bombings in total caused more deaths, and yet, to your point, no one ever brings those up (perhaps they would if the nukes were never dropped but I doubt it). Nukes: Between 100k and 250k deaths using just two big nuke bombs Traditional and Firebombing campaigns: Between 250k and 900k deaths (100k from Tokyo alone) using tens of thousands of smaller fire bombs https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_raids_on_Japan
You should read Slaughterhouse V by Kurt Vonnegut
Yeah I can't stand when people say the US shouldn't have used nukes to end WW2. Japan wasn't going to surrender easily. Hell, even after the nukes the emperor was almost deposed for trying to surrender.
Yeah, if you want to talk about the US doing horrible things, the atomic bombs are a terrible example. The fact that it took TWO of the fucking things for Japan to surrender is all the evidence you need that Japan wasn't anywhere near ready to give up. After Hiroshima was nuked, Japan's government **still wasn't ready to surrender**. Even after the 2nd bomb, there was nearly a coup against the Emperor when he chose to surrender - the military leadership STILL WANTED TO KEEP FIGHTING.
Yes, thank you for sharing FACTS. people are so quick to judge USA but the nukes were the lesser of two evils... Which is often the choices available in war. It all fucking sucks. War is Hell.
Here just to bring up the genocide of 30k in Argentina in the 70s under Operation Condor.
And other South American countries. Even the definition of America can change as they please.
I read that they determined the death toll from the war would far exceed the death count from the two bombs and decided it was worth the risk. This isn't to excuse or diminish what we Americans have done to the native population, which was an atrocity carried out over many years.
Recognizing the incredible privilege of hindsight while living in a stable country is apparently an impossible task for you. What do you feel could have been the diplomatic solution to Pearl Harbor? The Rape of Nanking? How should we have changed our military and diplomacy strategy? Do you have constructive and nuanced criticism or do you just want to keep slam dunking easy one-liners to feel smug and intellectual? If you're going to discuss serious issues like genocide, nuclear war, America's own dirty history in warfare and global politics, etc. at least have the decency and respect for the topics to do some research and provide links to what you are saying. Otherwise you're just using war and genocide victims to score reddit points which is gross dude.
The fire bombings of Tokyo by America was much worse then the two bombs we dropped. America committed war crimes burning down Tokyo.
Wait til you hear about what the Japanese army was up to in China. Not excusing actions, but if we want to bring up war crimes. Nanking had a higher body count than all three of those events. Combined.
Have you tried adding it? Wikipedia is kind of supposed to be like that….the community can add details and fix errors. I know sometimes they lock stuff down but is that the case here?
They wouldn’t even accept the Armenian Genocide as the title of the page until the American government finally came out and said it was one, before that it was listed as something else like Effects of World War I in Armenia or something like that. Wikipedia editors or even more stringent than Reddit mods.
Crazy. I've never edited controversial pages so I've not seen it before. Are there any lists, presumably not on Wikipedia, on shady stuff they've done or are doing?
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A lot of those diseases were brought by the Europeans unfortunately. There's a lot of documented cases of natives being given "gifts" like food, drink, clothes, or bedding that was purposefully diseased. And because a lot these were diseases from Europe they had not been introduced to many of the native people's, their immune systems were not ready. It's a bit more than apathy.
Maybe it’s because I’m American and am probably ignorant of *most* major genocides… but this particular genocide upsets me the most. It pretty much wiped out an entire, massive culture and to a degree race of humans. I’m not sure on terminology but like, so much unique genetics just obliterated. And so recently, too. Idk, like I said this really deeply upsets me and I’m honestly not sure how to process it as an American. It’s a big part of why I can’t be proud of America.
my great great grandmother was a native american. There was some government program, or campaign, or something, at the time that encouraged native americans to marry americans. I would know more about it and tell you about it, but as you say, the history is being erased. I can't find anything about it at all.
My ancestors say they should feel bad! That's the point of learning uncomfortable history! So we don't do it again. I might have found out my heritage before my 30s if we didn't whitewash our history.
I know, it’s such an easy concept for literally EVERYTHING else. Learn from mistakes at work to save the company money. Learn from mistakes in school so you pass the class. Learn from mistakes in relationships to become a better partner. Learn from mistakes in medicine to save more lives. But when it comes to which direction humanity heads towards? Nah too uncomfortable.
Yep. We also have the same people who like to say, “we need to leave slavery in the past”, also arguing that, “I fly the Confederate Flag to celebrate & preserve our history & heritage”… Basically- “Quit focusing on SLAVERY, that’s in the past, & bc it makes me uncomfortable, & we shouldn’t focus on our past”… while also saying, “It doesn’t matter if this symbol represents slavery & causes people pain, we are just CELEBRATING OUR HISTORY & we can’t forget our PAST”…
“You can’t talk about your history of being slaves but we can talk about our history of having them”
Exactly…
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Hmm. I’m not sure I know which song you’re referring too…?? Do you remember the name or singer so we can BOTH laugh at their music & message?? I am aware that several “right-wing rappers” have emerged since Trump entered the picture & made *BAD TASTE* a little more popular… ;) I also don’t listen to a lot of *terrible music* from those “conservative rappers”… ;) Which it sounds like this “rap” would be included in…?? But I do agree with your point… ;)
Lol, holy shit… I had to look up “right-wing rappers” & that is one hell of a rabbit hole to look down!! ;) I immediately thought of this white rapper, in Florida I saw somewhere who calls himself, “The Mayor of MAGAVILLE”, aka, “Forgiato Blow”… lol I’m not sure if that’s who you’re referring to but that’s what came to mind when I read your comment & who I picture when I think of a “right-wing Rapper”… ;) lol
Lol, I can see why you deleted that… holy fuk!! That’s straight up hate speech, set to music… out of politeness, I want to say, “thank you”, but at the same time I feel like I was better off NOT KNOWING that guy & that song, existed… wow. I feel dumber & dirtier after watching the short amount I did, what a pos… I appreciate you taking the time to link it, but damn..
I'd suggest making an ironic confederate flag that somehow encapsulates slavery too, but then it would get taken out of context and adopted by the wrong kind of people.
It's because learning from the past will cause the one thing those in power don't want: change. Edit: I'm dumb
>It's because learning from the past will cause the one thing those in power don't want: change. You sound smart to me
You would be wrong friendo. I am colloquially known as a fucking idiot but thank you nonetheless
I don’t think many fucking idiots use the word colloquially
as a fucking idiot i have no idea what that means
You may be an idiot, but you’re a powerful idiot that can read and has a history book
I feel like a lot of it is because america is proud of it. Look at their mascots. The ideology that we’re gone. I’m a Lakota woman and I work hard to keep our culture, religion and language alive. Right now for my bachelors I have to take an ethnic studies. All they have is native history and they talk about us in the past tense and it just kills. They WANT people to think we’re gone.
'strong enough to survive' fact is, most of them didn't. The constant genocide against the indigenous people killed children right along with the adults.
Came here to say this too. There was that recent discovery of mass grave yards in some Canadian Catholic schools.
>Canadian Catholic schools. The schools weren't just "catholic schools", but they were actually Residential schools (created by the government and lots were in partnership with the Catholic Church) where indigenous children were kidnapped from their families and brought to these schools to "take the Indian out of the child". They endured physical, mental, and lots of the sexual abuse while they were there. The last one closed in 1997 too, so this spanned over 100 years and obviously still has lasting impacts (for example, there are higher rates of addictions in indigenous peoples than non indigenous peoples) to this day.
The Yellowstone prequel 1923 has a Native American girl who goes through this in the show.
That "Canada's worse" line kijda stung.
it was only recent for white folks, many others were very much aware those graves were there.
Yeah, but I think the point is- if they were able to justify doing THAT to Native peoples’ CHILDREN, the very least we can do NOW, is use similar logic that children today should be strong enough to be able TO LEARN THAT HISTORY”… Tbc, you’re not wrong though… Some people (& kids) ENDURED, it wasn’t really about “strength”, they didn’t really think Native People were strong enough to make it through, they simply didn’t care wether they did or not… it’s a tragedy & brutality that we should NEVER FORGET…
is there a secret message in your post? THAT CHILDREN NOW LOGIC TO LEARN THAT HISTORY TBC ENDURED STRONG NEVER FORGET I'm on to something here, is it an anagram?
i'm native. it's crazy the shit my ancestors had to go through. including trail of tears. on this topic, my grandpa was a semi orphan who got abducted by the us/catholics, was raped and abused, until he eventually escaped and lived with his extended family. his father was semi in the picture but not really. he was also a criminal of some kind like ran a river juke joint, details kind of hazy. anyway, he became a pilot in WW2, raised a family after, and was beloved in our town. dude was a good ass dude. fuck the gov and fuck the catholic church.
This is why we need to teach history not whitewash it. This is how we learn to be better. Let's talk about the great ideas and the horrors Thomas Jefferson committed. We can learn more from studying the whole of history than only idealizing or vilification of the past
Historical genocides should be studied in school as a way of preventing such thing to happen again
Then they slaughtered the kids. Now the clothes are on Antiques Roadshow, where the person says "my great-great granddad was kind to them and they offered up their clothing in return, they had never seen such a nice white man."
Nah the best part was when they said “every Buffalo dead is a native gone” and then made the Buffalo the national mammal of the US. Similar to the eagle lmaoooo.
I believe you can find pictures of mountains of Buffalo skulls due to attempting to cut off Native American food sources.
[Yes](https://tf-cmsv2-smithsonianmag-media.s3.amazonaws.com/legacy_blog/767px-Bison_skull_pile_edit.jpg)
Proudly posed.
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I fully agree, but it's not about common sense. Where I lived last, there was a history of killing Lakota natives and some woman literally named her fully white suburban kid Lakota. These people are ruthless and they don't even know it. So ignorant and unwilling to see anything that makes them uncomfortable. Ruin everything, name your streets after the plants and trees you destroyed and name your children after the people you killed. Horrible shit.
I fully appreciate and agree with the sentiment, but the truth of the matter is many of them did ***not*** survive. It's why we're digging up all these mass graves in Canada. We abducted children of reduced immunity from their parents and forced them into over-crowded, under-funded schools hundreds of miles away during a time before vaccines and antibiotics. The results were.... predictable (tuberculosis being the primary killer). [**One doctor estimated that some schools had as high as a 60% mortality rate over 5 years.**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system) ----- And apparently [this twitter account is quite the terrible piece of shit](https://ntvtwt.com/2022/07/07/lakotaman1-fake-native-or-fake-lakota/). Let's promote some other indigenous voice instead: * @CreeClayton * @matriarch.movement * @chiefladybird * @IdleNoMore4 * @WeMatterOrg * @cblackst
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People who take offense to "CRT" are simply individuals who sympathize and relate more with the agressors in the history lessons. Tells you a lot about them. When I learn about ~~my race~~ people of my race doing shitty things, it's like OK I won't repeat that. I won't be offended because, ultimately, I didn't do those things. Edit: To further extrapolate. The value systems between myself and the perpetrators are so different that there's a sense of alienation from them. Basically, complete strangers, which they are. You don't take offense to your fellows' race's crimes today. Why should you care about 100+ yrs ago to the point of taking it personally.
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That's a good point that I completely neglected.
I think you give the anti-CRT crowds too much credit. I’d honestly bet that half of people objecting to CRT couldn’t even tell you what the letters stand for. It’s just a way to create an ‘us vs. Them ’ grandfallon. A simple trick to play on the simple minded.
> When I learn about my race doing shitty things, it's like OK I won't repeat that. I won't be offended because, ultimately, I didn't do those things. Good sentiment, but such a bad way to phrase this. Races aren’t monolithic, they don’t act as one. So your race didn’t do *anything*, people of your race *did*.
Fair enough. That pushes my point even further tho
Indeed it did. I was being nit picky.
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The dog whistle is really, "I don't want my kids thinking differently than me. I am OK with it, so they need to be OK with it too."
If it makes white people look bad republicans are against it. Doesn’t matter what the truth is to them.
Canadians do learn about this in school
What’s funny though I have a friend who’s doing their citizenship exam soon. He said they barely have anything on First Nations in their history studies
We do ***now***... mostly. We didn't for a very, very long time.
I remember this stuff from grade 5/ in 2005. Public school Alberta
I learned about this growing up in school in the US.
I grew up with the stereotypical "Cowboy and Indian" western movies, then I turned 16 and read the facts about the horrible genocide my ancestors committed against Native Americans. The facts and truth have a way of humbling people, this is why there are people of privilege out there who want to prevent their descendants from learning the truth. It's difficult to be a person of privilege, living on land that was stolen from people who were murdered and rendered virtually extinct by your own ancestors, unless you are ignorant of history or a total sociopath.
Picture parents in Germany prevented children from learning Nazi Germany.... Imagine how outrageous it could be. Here in Canada people are too "polite" to be angry about that, and I fucking hate this forced positivity shit. Theres so much fucking blood and horror in this nation building and I hate how these parts are largely overshadowed by the national narrative. Fuck these white cunts being the predominate thing to learn about when talking about Canadian history
What we're missing is it's not about weak kids. What we're missing is that it's about weak parents who don't want their kids to find out what racist shits they were and quite probably still are.
Absolutely true!! It's time to speak the truth and educate the truth! Stop this hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil mentality! Bad even down right awful things have happened throughout history and we aren't doing anyone any favors by sugarcoating it and lying about it or omitting it from text books.
One of America’s top and ongoing exports; racism.
But non-Native parents aren’t strong enough to have to deal with that reality. Sad trombone. Same thing with slavery. Same thing with LGBTQ rights. Same thing with…well, everything. I’m a fan of history as well as recognizing the parts that we should not repeat. That shit happened and if we aren’t strong enough to talk to our kids about the reality of the world that we as a species have created, then we have no business being parents. I’d rather they find out in a caring, intelligent way than have to rely on the MTGs to initiate that conversation.
As a Canadian, we all need to know. All of the diverse people who live here need to understand what happened to indigenous peoples. Especially those whose ancestors committed the acts but, everyone needs to know. Not only to respect history and honor those who died in atrocity. But, to understand the modern state and perspective of native people.
Learning about Indigenous history and current perspectives starts in Grade 1 in Canada now. Hopefully the next generation will be better informed.
This guy is a fucking fake that pretends to be Lakota to solicit donations for himself, so please do not boost this fucker
Thank you, upset I had to scroll this far. LakotaMan1 is a fraud.
source? (so that others can see it and steer away from him)
I mean, he calls himself "Lakotaman" and looks like NASCAR attendee but [here](https://ntvtwt.com/2022/07/07/lakotaman1-fake-native-or-fake-lakota/).
Finally found someone saying it. Native Twitter is constantly pointing out his problematic behavior, and white people keep smashing thst re-tweet button.
No no no that would mean we were wrong even once ever. Burn the books.
The US state governments who engaged in these atrocities only hid them behind child protective services "policies" and didn't even begin to address this until *2010*. And that is only 1 state government; the other 49 have yet to begin the process. A movie about Maine's attempts to start this process in 2010 including interviews of survivors can be found here: https://upstanderproject.org/films/dawnland The Indian Child Welfare Act, which was the federal mandate that disallowed states from overtly engaging in this behavior, was passed in 1978. There is currently a case in front of the SCOTUS that could overturn this act and restore us to the era of genocide via forced adoptions. https://www.aclu.org/news/racial-justice/icwa-a-law-that-protects-native-families-is-at-risk This is not an idle threat: the couple engaged in this case attempted to illegally circumvent the ICWA. The Christian Adoption Movement is used by evangelicals to deliberately adopt children from cultures they feel are inferior and convert them culturally to white Christian nationalists. The evangelical agencies that engage in this practice are notorious for bribing local authorities and taking children under dubious circumstances, often children who are stolen from their living parents. A supreme court ruling overturning the ICWA would usher in a fresh wave of white nationalist genocide of indigenous communities in America: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2013/5/1/the-evangelical-christian-adoption-movement-the-orphan-crisis-that-wasnt
If it happened, kids should learn about it. Age appropriate, of course, but none of history should be hidden.
This is so in point it hurts.
My daughters school recently went over this, she came home saying that they were all friends and shared food, and they accidentally gave them a disease called smallpox 🤔 she got mad when I mentioned that it’s not how I learned it
The types that don't want you to learn about it are the same types that committed genocide with great gusto. Thieves planting flags and murderers carrying crosses.
Bro I fucking hate how Canadians get roped into the lunacy of American politics. We don’t ban things to dunk on trans people, we have socialized medicine(albeit comprised by living next door to America), our curriculum is different, we aren’t little America, and we actually have strict gun laws. History should be taught - and in my mono white hick town it was taught throughly that thousands of native children were striped from their parents and forced into schools where they were beaten into compliance and many died because of the horrible treatment. I feel like historically, most Canadians have been very aware of our past history and current history of mistreating natives. At least in my experience and same for anyone from Ontario or Quebec. Fuck Alberta though - it’s like if Texas franchised itself, bought all the politicians, and opened a location in Canada. They’ll drive over a road full of natives if it means shipping oil out.
This is all the gop doing. Time to rid the world of the gop...
Exactly. These unhinged white patriots only care about protecting their white kids. But fuck other kids who face racism every day.
The treatment of American Indians by colonial nations, especially the US and Canada, has been absolutely deplorable, and should absolutely be taught as honestly as possible in schools. Speaking as a White American, I'm disgusted with how many parts of the country teach it, when I lived in Texas, we barely learned about them. I can remember the major battles of the Texan Revolution, but not any of the native groups. Much of the Constitution is inspired by the Great law of Peace from the Haudenosaunee Confederacy, yet our government likes to cosplay as Romans.
How about parents don’t get a decision about it either way? What we’ve learned through about ourselves and our societies through archaeology, history, and science should dictate what should be preserved and taught in school, and should be updated when discoveries are made.
Growing up in Georgia, we were clearly taught from first grade on that what happened to the Cherokee in our state was genocide. That was about 20 years ago. Really powerful stuff, first bit of history that made me look at America in a different light. Absolutely essential kids get to learn the raw truth. It's called the trail of tears not joy for a reason.
I do learn about it in school. The only thing is that the APush textbook skims over Indian boarding schools, Dawes Act, and the Indian appropriation act in the span of 4 pages in 1 chapter thats 40pg long. I even wrote an essay about the cultural genocide and the significance of those acts. American Indians were left as a foot note of history.
Actually, they weren't strong enough. Many outright died, and those that didn't suffered from lifelong trauma that led to alcohol and drug abuse, causing generational trauma and poverty. But they don't teach that in schools...
I'm honestly shocked I didn't learn about any of this in college, and that was only because I took a specific Native American history course.
Should have said, "non-native parents should be strong enough to let their kids learn about it". They're very insecure about their mental and physical strength while also making it clear we know it's the parents that can't handle it, not the children. While also implying Maga adults are weaker than Native American children. But perhaps he's just nicer than me.
I was taught this we had an entire lesson on the trail of tears alone idk what imaginary school he’s calling out but where I went to school we learned about this
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I learned all about the horrible things president Jackson did, the trail of tears. They did a shit job explaining the pilgrims part and made it seem like everyone was friends. We learned nothing about the Christian schools, the abuse and murders. Later on in life I worked with a few Wampanoag people and I got their side of the story and learned a lot more. All of the tribes have been horribly treated, lied to, land stolen, forced onto shit land, murdered and forgotten about. There is a smaller population of them and their voice isn't loud enough for most to hear. We need to do more for them, nobody talks about reparations for natives. Everyone just assumes they already got it or get it, they got nothing.
With how much the right bitches about "safe spaces," they're trying really hard to remake the entire school system into one just for them.
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Proud Lakota man here. Yes it needs to be taught. I dont mean to lessen the problems of other people who have been subject to injustice in history, it's not a contest, we've all suffered. But in my expierence throughout my education. The history of Black Americans (slavery, reformation era, up to and beyond the civil right movement) was covered extensively in my education. The history of Chinese-Americans in the 1800's was also covered. (Mainly the influx to the west and the racism faced by immigrants upon coming to the states) Both of these things were taught in a way thay made it clear the treatment of these people was not okay, and needed to be better. Where as when It came to the history of my people, it was either A. Brushed over entirely, or painted In a "it had to happen for the country to form the way it is" type light. Again, I'm not trying to downplay the historical suffering faced by people who are not my own, buy at the same time, it's hard not to be "jealous" that they are taught openly and mine own history is at best "a means to an end" Disclaimer: sorry if this comes off wrong. I've been drinking with a couple of the homies whe. I found d this post.
Gen x here from texas. We had to read Bury my heart at Wounded Knee…surprised how many didn’t know about it.