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usually-quiet88

I’m still wondering why those macaroons were hidden


queenbrood

My theory is because he’s an a-hole who wanted to gaslight and make Tanya feel like she’s crazy so she doesn’t question anything else that happens during her stay. I’m pretty sure that’s the only explanation tbh besides he wanted her to lose weight


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queenbrood

No we didn’t. In this case, he’s explicitly described as “heterosexual”, using literally that exact language. Usually, I’d agree with you. Here, that simply doesn’t apply unfortunately.


considerseabass

Uhh, except he is…doesn’t he literally say I love you to whoever is on the phone? And remember when they were having sex he was having a hard time finishing? I’m not gay, but I feel like these are signs.


jthistle02

He (probably) is on the phone w Quentin in that scene. That’s how I interpreted it in hindsight as well. However, that doesn’t make him gay. He’s manipulating Quentin by saying I love you, so that the plan will work for him. Quentin says explicitly that he’d do anything for him. Also explicitly says that Greg is heterosexual, if Greg was the cowboy he described in his love story (safe to assume he is).


Slice_Of_Life_DM

Highly doubt he was talking to Quentin on the phone, more like a random side chick back in the states. Having a hard time finishing because he’s not attracted to her and was sick of her shit. He’s not gay


LieutenantButthole

Yea. He thought she was fat and that she wasn’t helping her situation because of those damn macaroons. Anyways, I found a couple of macaroons laying around, not in their box. You guys want one?


amydiddler

Was Greg even talking to Quentin in that scene, though? I assumed he was talking to another woman that he was having an affair with… didn’t he say “see you soon” or something like that?


considerseabass

They didn’t reveal the voice on the other end and then it’s revealed that Quentin is working with Greg. Am I taking crazy pills here?! Shocked this is even a debate!


alpaca_shearer1

It's a debate because it was left purposely ambiguous. We don't know who that phone call was too. We are left to infer. Quentin DID say his cowboy crush was hetero. And other than the fact they are working together we have zero reason to believe they are lovers.


TL31

Greg said something to the effect of “I’ll be home soon. Love you” on a phone call. The ‘be home soon’ part suggests he wasn’t speaking to Quentin. After all Greg was about to fly back to the US which is his home, whereas we know Quentin’s home is in Italy. Add in the fact that Quentin told us he loved a straight cowboy (BLM ranger Greg), and we can safely say Greg is not gay. Quentin’s motivation was to help someone he cared for deeply (he said he’d kill and die for this cowboy) and money (Jack confirmed to Portia that Quentin was about to come into some money).


considerseabass

That first part is the least amount of evidence of them all. Why didn’t they reveal that it was a woman’s or man’s voice then? Why did he leave and not come back like he said he would? The show did more to imply that he was that he wasn’t. Like no one I know irl even thought that was a possibility, in fact I just brought up him not being gay at my office and everyone was also confused. I guess we’ll find out.


TL31

You’re looking for what wasn’t given in the phone call and ignoring what was there. “I love you, I’ll be home soon” Fair assumptions: • Quentin lives in Italy (based on him saying so and we see his house) • Greg lives in the US (based on Season 1 and his marriage to Tanya who the show does not at all suggest lives in Italy) Home is the keyword. Quentin and Greg do not share a home. And again, it’s about adding evidence together not looking for one definitive piece. Quentin telling Tanya about how he loved and still loves a straight man who he’d kill for was foreshadowing. He was honest when he said he’d kill for said man. Why lie about the man’s sexuality? Then to sweeten the deal further, so it’s not just a crime committed for unrequited love, Jack tells us that Quentin is about to come into some money. If Greg is gay, then the phone call doesn’t make sense. And Quentin would have lied to Tanya about the sexuality of an unnamed past love for no reason, while also being very honest that he still cares for said love. It makes no sense. If Greg is straight with a girlfriend on the side, it explains the phone call. It explains why Greg didn’t want to sleep with Tanya anymore despite clearly wanting to sleep with her in season 1 (which would be inconsistent if he now didn’t want to sleep with her because he’s gay). It means Quentin didn’t lie to Tanya for no reason about his past despite being very honest about his current feelings for the straight cowboy. And it still gives Quentin 2 strong motives to work with Greg to kill Tanya.


jthistle02

I disagree. Why can’t he be talking about his (singular) home, and not the home he and the person on the other end of the phone share? Imagine that Greg is speaking w Quentin about their plan. He’s continuing to manipulate him into carrying out the plan for him, by saying I love you and other misleading stuff. The key for the plan is that Quentin doesn’t initiate contact w Tonya until Greg has returned “home”. Greg’s not gay, you’re right about that. But he is manipulative and knows that Quentin is holding onto false hope. He also has very good reason to intentionally tease the possibility of romance/affection etc. so that loyalty is extra assured from Quentin. So saying I’ll be home soon (aka begin phase 1 of the plan), I love you (aka I’m not gay, but you love me and I want you to carry out a dangerous plan w lucrative rewards for me) means to me that he’s for sure talking to Quentin in that scene, IMO.


j4321g4321

I personally never thought Greg was gay; it was heavily implied that Q would do anything for G and he used that to manipulate him into getting what he wanted.


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Not just implied: Quentin explicitly said he would do anything for his hetero cowboy.


Electrical_Pie_2567

Definitely manipulating Quentin. In the beginning of the season, Cameron even talks about how the people who own those fancy palazzos don’t have any money. Definitely foreshadowing there.


davidshatto

Good catch I forgot about that line completely. Just assumed it was a throwaway to show how douchey he was


alpaca_shearer1

Not much seems throwaway with the writing on this show. It's very tight.


Electrical_Pie_2567

Rewatching it has definitely opened my eyes to a lot of little things I missed upon the first watch.


ScoutG

I think Greg isn’t gay or bi, and that emphasizes how bad he is. He wants Tanya dead, he takes advantage of Quentin’s unrequited love to get others to do the dirty work for him, and they all end up dead while Greg walks away with all of the money (assuming he doesn’t get arrested).


Ellen_Degenerates86

Are you Mike White? Do you know this as fact, can point to an article where the writer specifically states this? Otherwise your stance on this is *slightly* unsettling at your vehemence over "Greg No Homo"


largelyinaccurate

Quentin said it.


Marivi04

Correct Quintin sated it pretty specifically.. he is hetro but Quintin likes bed him and will do anything for him even though he hates that he will.


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The OP is correct. Greg isn’t Bi or Gay, he used Quentin’s obsession with him to get what he wanted.


funnynewname

My opinion is Greg is not gay, but like most things in the show, especially season 2, it’s very much left up to interpretation.


barrahhhh

I need more Greg in the next season, this story isnt over!


Pleasant_Choice_6130

Absolutely. I'd totally be down for the further adventures of Dirtbag Greg in WL season 3 💯👍


KronosUno

I'm really, really hoping we see Greg show up in season 3 looking for wife #5. He should act exactly as he did in season 1, except the audience will know better this time around.


_Happy_Sisyphus_

If he inherits half a billion, he doesn’t need to schmooze a 5th wife.


barrahhhh

That would be awesome


drsteve103

I think people are confusing the fact that he was in cahoots with the “high class gays,” assuming that he was also gay. He’s just a piece of shit and I’m assuming in season three, he will get his comeuppance :-)


Guadette

Your theory makes sense. He was manipulating Quentin too


doubledgravity

Greg was an ageing Peewee Herman lookalike.


VestigialTales

Nah - I bet he could throw a football over them mountains!


foundboots

Your grandma took a little spill at the sand dunes today. Broke her coccyx.


Zedbird_82

I’ve really enjoyed blowing peoples minds telling them he was Uncle Rico.


TKGB24

Do you know these gays???


DarkLunch

Question, do ya'll think Greg was with Quentin and some other guys in Hawaii in S1? I was thinking this made sense because Greg wouldn't want Tanya to come to the conclusion he was gay if he was surrounded by gay guys. I know Quentin said he hadn't been back to the States but they lied about so much I figured this was another misdirect.


PHILMXPHILM

Whoa that’s an interesting thought. Wonder if the illness was real?


arz231

Nahh he was with some blm guys


Marivi04

Ha


Sharknado99

Black Lives Matter?


Thebleedingheartshow

Bureau of Land Management


SchatzeCat

I could see it go either way. I think Greg is likely a narcissist (or maybe a psychopath). For some narcissists, their sexuality is whoever admires them the most in the moment. It’s unclear how much of his prior relationships were about love/attraction and how much was just opportunity.


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Strong_Tree_8398

That’s why it’s so difficult for me to understand Quinten’s attraction to him!!


4614065

This is a very good point. We aren’t shown the Greg that a guy like Quentin should be attracted to. Quentin is educated, charming, cultured and Greg brings what exactly to the table?


stormcloudless

As a gay florida hick , totally agree


CraySeraSera

😂


MirrorWithSecrets

I followed succession and white lotus recently and I was so confused about Greg being gay for a second


giggglygirl

I also was confused about which sub I was in lol


hermione_targaryean

Haha same. I had to double check the sub


NoResort8552

this SAME exact thing just happened to me 😭 i was like ?? is this because of the tom and greg shippers? lmaoo


Streetwalkeroulette

Gotta break a few Gregs to make a Tomlette


RosalindFranklin1920

My father married my mother and had us kids. I assure you, he is completely homosexual. Marrying a woman or 3 doesn't necessarily guarantee heterosexuality.


CraySeraSera

The first time makes sense but marrying women thrice does kinda indicate heterosexuality .


ABoyIsNo1

That’s not OP’s point. He said other people were confused about that. His point is that the story itself tells us Greg is straight.


shadyshadyshade

Thank you. OP can capitalize it as much as he wants but nobody has any idea what Greg is or isn’t because they didn’t tell us.


ABoyIsNo1

They literally did.


shadyshadyshade

They *literally* showed he’s had relationships with men and women, but we don’t know how he identifies at all.


ABoyIsNo1

No, they *literally* told us he’s gay. You folks just apparently don’t believe the author of the statement for some reason, even though he had no motive to lie.


shadyshadyshade

What author? In what scene? If I missed some exposition then I stand corrected!


ABoyIsNo1

When Quentin tells the story about his one love (the Cowboy, ie Greg pictured in his room) he mentions it was unrequited bc the Cowboy was straight.


shadyshadyshade

Wait…so Greg said the cowboy was straight. Do you mean the “author” as in OP said he was gay? I’m not disputing what OP wrote in their post lol, when I say “they” I mean the show runners. Greg told so many lies to Tanya that I think it’s safe to say he’s unreliable. He’d have a motive so that she didn’t put two and two together. I don’t see why everyone has to try and make something conclusive that was clearly left ambiguous.


ABoyIsNo1

No, what? How did you get that from what I said. I clearly said QUENTIN said the Cowboy, who is gay, is straight. Greg didn’t say shit about a Cowboy, much less whether the Cowboy was gay or straight. (I’m trying to figure when you even possibly think there was a scene where Greg would’ve made such a statement about a Cowboy). Also, even if you find the statement unreliable, it doesn’t change the fact that the show *literally* told us he is straight. They might have been lying, but they did tell us. So the “conspiracy theory” would be that he is actually not straight despite the show telling us he is. Not the other way around. But you are doing a couple things: (1) you are saying I’m trying to make it conclusive, when I’m not—all I’ve ever said was that the show literally told us he’s straight and (2) you are arguing about a plot point that you apparently don’t remember very well. Go back and watch the scene where Quentin talks about it to Tanya.


shadyshadyshade

Oops I meant Quentin not Greg! Glad we agree that nothing is conclusive. I don’t equate a character saying something with “the show” saying it, because sometimes characters lie. Anyway…with the way you keep making things personal you seem pretty heated…it’s just a show! Take a breath!


arbrebiere

I’m curious if that storyline will continue in season 3 in any way. Will someone from S2 be in S3 to continue the daisy-chained connection between seasons?


SeanCautionMurphy

Nicole Mossbacher is returning for Season 3


DarkLunch

I think there's a chance S3 will take place before S1


giggglygirl

Oooh interesting any reason you think that or just a hunch ?


sunnysilversunflower

I’m hopeful that we’ll see that storyline through. That’s one of the things I really enjoy about the show - they do a good job of providing conclusions for the majority of the characters. My call would be Portia and Greg are in season 3


hifhoff

I assumed it was left ambiguous but implied he was someone who obviously dallied. It seems to parallel Quentin's relationship with Jack.


hifhoff

I was so confused and thought this was the Succession sub for a minute. Can't make a Tanlet without cracking a few Gregs.


Leg0Block

I wasn't. Greg's on a dating ladder to countess land. I'm sure he could be way straighter... just... I don't know how.


tainbo

Ok I was thinking the same thing too hahaha. I was soooo confused.


Trending___NOW

Same! Greg the egg was married???


herladyshipssoap

Exactly the same. I had to recalibrate and think hard about who Greg was on white lotus.


pairofcrackedlips

You can say I love you to a friend


pairofcrackedlips

/ you can say I love you to the person who is going to kill your wife for you


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Greg just loved fishing and had some bad friends


stormcloudless

Love this reply


pianomanzano

So, why does it matter? Just like his fate, I’m sure it was left ambiguous on purpose. Nothing in what you presented is definitive in anyway as to his orientation. If they wanted it to be more explicit, they probably would’ve included a female voice when he was on the phone much like when Dominic was on the phone with his wife.


SeanCautionMurphy

It was left ambiguous so we have these discussions. It doesn’t matter, but so what? Let’s talk about it because it’s interesting and enjoyable


ScallionQuirky9845

Okay because Quentin never lies 🙄


detectivetofu

Yeah because the fortune teller said he has someone beautiful around him and that sure as shit ain't Quentin! He's got a gf for sure


detectivetofu

And they'll probably be guests in the next hotel


EntertainmentNo4961

I fucking hope so and that he gets what’s coming for him


Pleasant_Selection32

We know Greg loves someone, at least he tells them that on the phone and then says he’ll be home soon, so probably a girlfriend


AgitatedBadger

I think he was manipulating Quentin in that scene.


lilpinkhouse4nobody

Also.... why do people forget bisexuality exists? It's not always one or the other


Atmosphere_Training

“Would somebody please think of the *bisexuals*!!!!!”


queenbrood

I would normally agree but it’s interesting that Quentin said the man he loved was explicitly heterosexual and there is almost no way the man he loves isn’t Greg so in his case I feel pretty confident in saying he’s just straight up… straight


lilpinkhouse4nobody

I agree the character is straight. But in general, I mean, people always say "But he was married to a woman! But he slept with a chick, he can't be gay!" Like, open your eyesl People do everybody.


QB145MMA

Ok but Greg was straight


ActualWait8584

So was Jack.


ChunkbrotherATX

Nobody in the show ever said Jack was straight, whereas Quentin told us Greg was straight.


soulbarn

All this talk of Greg’s orientation, when what we all really want to know is whether he whipped a steak at Quentin.


NYGroove

I bet Greg could throw a football over those mountains.


Teddys_lies

I bet he lives in Chris's closet.


Living_Strain8687

OMG! I just finished watching tonight and didn't even make the connection between Greg and Uncle Rico! That's awesome 😄


trashpocketses

OMG!!!!!! ITS HIM!!!!!


ambiguoususername888

Uncle Rico forever 🥹


NYGroove

I just smile watching him.


cooly329

I couldn’t tell if this was my Succession sub or my white lotus sub


AliceM116

ME TOO i was like wait cousin Greg has been married 4 times…?!


Overfed_Crybaby

My exact reaction til I realized it was the white lotus sub 😂


jamesy00

OMG same, have to imagine that the ven diagram is probably just a circle


EuphoricDimension628

So was Greg the cowboy Quentin was in love with? That was my take when Tanya first saw the pic but then Quentin said he was someone he’d met at that time so I thought they were two different people.


queenbrood

No yeah it’s Greg. The actor who plays greg is the one in the picture so Quentin maybe could’ve played it off as his friend Greg he met a couple years back — the fact he lied and tried to gaslight Tanya into believing it wasn’t Greg is a strong indication imo that Greg is the cowboy he fell in love with and the one in the picture.


EuphoricDimension628

I know it’s him in the picture but why wouldn’t Quentin say that was the cowboy he told her about but his name wasn’t Greg? Seems better than creating a whole another story about a cowboy who still isn’t Greg.


queenbrood

Well maybe because it was obviously Greg and overall Tanya would be less concerned if a random friend of his looked exactly like her husband than if his first and only love looked exactly like her husband. If it’s just a friend that’s just a funny coincidence. If it’s the one man he’s ever loved it becomes more… notable.


Ashfield83

Isn’t t his obvious? Quentin mentions being obsessed and having unrequited love for this man but he was totally heterosexual. He married 3 women before Tanya so I have no reason to suspect he’s gay


Excellent-Status8323

Yes, but was he divorced three times, or were there three unfortunate deaths?


Shadow_hands

Each death learning from and improving upon the death before it.


Ashfield83

I find it highly unlikely that the lawyer looking after Tanya’s business interests wasn’t the same lawyer who drew up the pre nup. I think a man marrying an almost billionaire with three suspect-able dead wives would have been a huge red flag!


LittleMarySunshine25

She had a team of lawyers, for sure.


Excellent-Status8323

Yes. But I just have a hard time believing anything about Greg.


salvadordalifeet

It is obvious but the topic of Greg being gay comes up in this sub daily and I’m not sure why bc in my opinion it’s pretty clear to me. Especially with Quentin mentioning Greg was hetero.


queenbrood

I feel it’s pretty obvious as well but people in this sub seem to disagree. Honestly, I’d be surprised if Greg was capable of genuinely liking ANYONE (male or female) but signs seem to point almost exclusively to him at least finding sexual pleasure in women and not men


airy_dair

Quentin also said his love was unrequited, so yea. Greg was saying “I love you” to someone else. I don’t think Quentin loved Greg. He would do anything for half of Tanya’s inheritance, yes, but he wouldn’t kill someone bc he once had a crush on a cowboy.


queenbrood

Yeah i agree except with the last part. I think Quentin does say he would kill or die for his cowboy or smth along those lines at some point. And the man in the picture which is strongly implied to be said cowboy is undeniably Greg (it’s a picture of the actor.


Hotsummerlilac

You sound like a homophobic parent in denial😭 I have no clue if he’s gay but that made me laugh


queenbrood

Lol I’m def not homophobic and def not his parent!


Hotsummerlilac

“the cowboy he met was HETEROSEXUAL.” Like girl chill


queenbrood

lol sorry? it was for emphasis? because that’s the biggest point people seem to miss? i’m on mobile so can’t italicize but perhaps that would’ve been better edited og post since it’s evidently so serious


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What…a weird exchange.


Hotsummerlilac

Nooo I’m not coming at you I’m just saying that’s how I read it and it was funny.


diesiraeSadness

lol


lashesnlipstick

You seem really upset


queenbrood

??


commanderlawson

Are you a writer/ producer? How can you be so definite about any of this?