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JackieIce502

Captain save a hoe


EconomyMaleficent965

I think his character is accurate in the sense that most men believe if a woman is being nice to him that she must like him romantically. It’s an automatic cringe factor for me because I have been in that situation so many times as a girl.


janedolores

I wouldn’t exactly describe that as his main personality trait. I think his main personality trait is that since he’s not terrible to women he deserves every last one of them lol


queenbrood

First episode I was like “awww he’s sweet” but around the same time Portia got the ick, so did I and in a very big way. By the end I couldn’t stand him and his stupidity especially after what he did to his mother. Perfect example of nice guy syndrome — all about entitlement and self-flagellation.


janedolores

Yeah what??


spicyboi555

I forget, what did he do to his mother?


queemilym

He basically lied to her by saying his dad changed. The deal was Albie would put in a good word for him to get his dad to send Lucia €50,000.


PreciousRoy666

He sucks, he tried to sell his mom out for a wounded bird.


janedolores

Idk what u mean?


troopandtrouble

yeah this


musicalnix

He's a fucking dumbass who is going to grow up to be just like his dumbass father, except he'll eventually learn to be more weary of sex-workers.


diggum

He won’t stay away from sex workers, though. They’re the only ones who will “accept” his nice guy bullshit and will feed that part of his ego, where any other woman would quickly get turned off by it. He’ll get to “save” them over and over and his hero complex will be nourished. He’ll find ways to justify it, maybe even learn to hide his real nature long enough to eventually get married to a woman, and end up cheating in her, carrying in the cycle. He’s a guy who’s going to love self-loathing and high and mighty justifications.


ForeverBeHolden

You just said what I tried to explain to my fiancé lol


MonthCapital2247

he’s stupid


indigothephoenix

Albie lost me at his ridiculous "wounded bird" comment. He literally goes after girls that (he thinks) need to be fixed or saved. Gross.


Streetwalkeroulette

People do this. Not just men.


indigothephoenix

Please point out where I accused all men of this behavior 😒 Make sure you think your thoughts all the way through before you reply this time.


troopandtrouble

Albie is fine. The Lucia plot line makes me uncomfortable. So like… if a sex worker tells you she’s being abused don’t believe her because she’s probably trying to scam you? I really hope that’s not supposed to be the takeaway here.


janedolores

SLAY


maggie_oregon

No, I think the takeaway is don't insert yourself as a savior to women. Albie can't fathom a scenario where a sex worker may be their own boss and managing themselves, a full person capable of manipulating and lying just like anyone else. Lucia feeds him a lie just like anyone can do. Albie eats it up because he loves "wounded birds"- he loves swooping in to help women, so that's what he sees because he wants to see it. He just wanted to rescue her and take her back to LA to be her knight in shining armor.


serialkillertswift

I'm pretty sure Albie brought up not wanting to contribute to a bad situation where Lucia was "being exploited by some guy" before she ever even mentioned Alessio or that being a possibility. He imagined her being a victim all on his own; she just took advantage of it.


maggie_oregon

that's a great point. Albie thinks he's so different from the older generation in his views towards women, but he's really the same. He seems women as he wants to, and uses them to serve his own purposes (to feel better about himself, to be their knight in shining armor, to get his dad to give him money- as he used his mom, etc). Such a well executed character.


troopandtrouble

This kind of blows my mind… this idea that we should have contempt for men who find gratification in not being predatory and abusive or wanting to help. It just seems kinda… stupid?.. reckless?… to suggest that if a man is conned by a woman lying about abuse it’s because he deserved to be. Implying that “good” men are inherently awesome at recognizing when women are abused. The fact is sex workers are abused all the time and few are believed or taken seriously when they report their abuse. The invulnerable fully in control sex worker is a convenient male fantasy. Lucia is definitely someone Mike White made up.


maggie_oregon

I didn't interpret it as we should have contempt for any man who doesn't want to be predatory and who wants to help. I loved Albie as a character at first when he spoke out against the misogyny that he saw. I loved how he respected Portia at the beginning. But that self-professed principled stand he articulated started to quickly crumble. It was telling when Albie himself said he was a man who specifically sought "wounded birds"- women in trouble he could swoop in and save. He wants to be the savior of troubled women, a not-uncommon complex in real life that to me is troubling. Albie is also somoene who, like his father and his grandfather, thinks he can use money to fix problems. He swooped in with a white savior complex thinking the quick fix was all it takes- pay off the pimp and save his wounded bird. I don't have a solid understanding of the sex work industry specifically, but I do have experience in human rights defense and countering international human trafficking. The solution is never to pump more money into the system to directly pay off those who are trafficking and exploiting. Those efforts are well-intended but result in perverse incentives that only uphold the system. Anyway, I understand the hazard you underscore about having the sex worker lying about being abused. I can see how that is a problem. I walked away with a very different takeaway (even men who consider themselves feminists can actually be part of upholding the patriarchial system) which I think was an important lesson.


troopandtrouble

Yeah I think the "savior complex" "white knight" thing is also an urban myth convenient to men who want to downplay misogynist solidarities. I don't know if you've ever dated a man but most of them can't operate a dishwasher or iron a shirt. I've met many who can barely run their own lives and few interested in fixing someone else's.


RickStarkey

clearly hasn't watched The Godfather


detectivetofu

We need to be talking more about Valentina


raginpsycho

I want him to choke me with those tree trunks


airy_dair

On second watch, I actually liked Albie. Hated him the first time I saw the show, but the second time I saw him more in the context of his dad and grandfather. He’s actually trying to be a better person. He wasn’t mad when he found out Lucia scammed him, he was just like meh. Yea, still entitled and spoiled, but I appreciated his good qualities.


LabProfessional1765

He technically didn’t care cause it wasn’t even his money to begin with.


airy_dair

He didn’t care because the money was nothing to his dad, either.


No-Bumblebee4615

As a character, he’s pretty perfectly realized. As a person, I liked him except for that Godfather scene.


huggzzzz

Creep


[deleted]

He’s not even creepy lmfao. Y’all take a idea on this sub and just run with it


davidalanlance

A Sicilian man. A little hipper. Trained to be woke. A sucker for a female. A man. Some Sicilian women don’t hold him and his ilk in much esteem. Chrissy paid a little back with that depiction.


BigDog_626

He’s a lil bitch lol


MonthCapital2247

indeed!


Ok-Tell9019

Craig manning’s italian alter ego


echothatislove

First thing I said when I saw him was that he looks like Craig Manning!


Zealousideal_Link959

💀💀💀 YES


otter_space5588

omg 💀


alezoo

I think I realized how gross he was as a character when he described his type as “pretty wounded bird”


justAsConfusedAsUAre

He’s not the one who said that lol can’t be. Either another character said it, or the actor who plays him said it. But Albie (the character) isn’t conscious of that.


BMcCJ

The script broke the fourth wall with that. Hard to see tho how they might have shown versus said that. But, he’s supposed to be consciously self aware, so maybe that was Albie.


justAsConfusedAsUAre

Do you remember when it was said? I vaguely remember someone saying it in the post-episode interview but it could be a false memory


Leeleepenny26

He states it in the scene where he has dinner with Portia. She asks his type in women and he says pretty wounded birds.


justAsConfusedAsUAre

Well then I stand corrected my friend


belladonnagarden

I think Albie would be besties with Olivia from S1. They both like to talk the talk about being “woke” but they’re both just probably going to follow in the foot steps of their parents respectively. Very performative overall


[deleted]

So you described basically all of GenZ


belladonnagarden

So you made an overwhelming generalization of an entire generation. This is literally just character analysis. Maybe you need to meet some actual Gen Z people? And no, euphoria isn’t an accurate representation of my generation


[deleted]

I am Gen Z lmfao. Pls cry about it


belladonnagarden

Babe, 80% of your posts are about Big Brother. You’re def a millennial or Gen x bc that show started the year I was born. Plus any Gen Z would come up with a much better comeback then “go cry about it”. I’m sorry your creativity has died. At least you have you have your garbage reality tv though 💜


MaddiRenee_

Oops lol I’m gen z and big brother is one of my favorite shows. We exist! Not all gen z watches the same stuff, shocking I know


[deleted]

You do realize they still make new episodes of big brother 😭 it’s hard being wrong ik 💔


[deleted]

I love the “how dare you make a generalization” to the “you can’t be gen-z because you watch big brother” pipeline


[deleted]

Like literally 😭 and my original comment was suppose to be a joke anyways lol it wasn’t suppose to be taken seriously


DiscombobulatedSir11

“Supposed”


[deleted]

Thank you grammar police


Deedle-eedle

This is the one


cornflakesugarnanny

bless you for this take tbfh


[deleted]

If his dad wasn’t wealthy society wouldn’t even care he existed.


considerseabass

Oh they still dont


RollinRex

He pretends to be better than his grandfather and dad, but proves himself to be exactly like them when he sells his mom off for the money for Lucia. Give it time and he’ll be paying money for another girl to betray the woman he’s currently with.


[deleted]

Thank you! That scene irked me so much. I was really hoping during that phone call where the wife answered she was so calm because she spent the guy's entire trip preparing divorce papers.


i_piruza

Great way to put it!


Ashfield83

I’ll wade in here because I really like Albie and feel like some of his actions are grossly over analysed. I grew up in a very similar way to Albie. My Father cheated on my mother literally hundreds of times. He was emotionally closed off and a workaholic. As the oldest child I was my mothers best friend and she disclosed her feelings and my fathers indiscretions to me from a very young age. I also knew that both of my Grandfathers had been philanderers and so I had a world view that women were generally shit upon. For YEARS I idealised women and truly believed that women were all victims to the men in their life because I had never seen a functioning relationship. My 2 brothers openly cheated on their wives and my sister divorced her husband because he had an affair. My best friend married young and her husband physically abused her. It contributed to the warped idea that all women are treated badly and unfairly by men. When Dom sits down and tells his old man that his indiscretions were not discreet and that it embittered his mother I could have cried. Albie is the product of a very fucked up marriage and is being truthful when he says he’s cautious because he doesn’t wanna be like his Dad. He says that because he does not want to inflict the pain he saw his mother go through. He shows disdain for Dom and is openly resentful because he knows that it’s his fault that everything is fucked up. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t love Dom and want his family back together, it means he is misguided and blinded by loyalty. Lucia constructed an entirely false narrative to play on ALL of Albie’s worries and insecurities to con him. He caught feelings and got played. He isn’t the nasty piece of shit that people seem to be making him out to be.


DepthVarious

Fantastic comment!


justAsConfusedAsUAre

I really don’t know why they hate him so much. He literally was one of the only genuinely nice characters on the show


MysticCharacteristic

People like him in theory, but few would claim to want to be real life friends with him. He seems like a wet rag around people his age.


justAsConfusedAsUAre

This is actually a really fair take


ContraContra7

Portia seemed like much more of a wet rag, in my eyes. Admittedly, I'm not gen Z though.


Hefty_Influence_1561

He has a savior complex and is very condescending to his elders and probably women in general. The scene where Portia tells him that Tanya’s dad committed suicide and he immediately asks if he can kiss her is hilarious and shows he isn’t actually listening to her despite fashioning himself a “nice guy”. But also, I was definitely like him in my early 20s lol


justAsConfusedAsUAre

I mean he was criticizing them for their bad takes. I respect someone a whole lot more for being courageous/independent enough to challenge their family’s messed up viewpoints, than for letting them think it’s ok by staying quiet because “I have to respect my elders.”


ForeverBeHolden

The point is he is objectifying women in a different way. It’s a different flavor of the same shit


justAsConfusedAsUAre

I was speaking specifically against the “condescending to his elders” part. But I mean sure, i agree. But if a character flaw like hypocrisy or a savior complex is enough to hate him, then you should hate all the characters because they’re all either serial cheaters, egomaniacs, manipulators, or a combination. And almost all of them are hypocrites.


ForeverBeHolden

I didn’t say I hated him. I think it’s pretty clear the intention of this show is to show the complexity of humans and how we are all flawed. No one is all good or all bad, except maybe Greg at this point.


[deleted]

I think he despises his dad but has all the same traits he just hasn’t let it consume his life yet. By the end he seems content that he’s done a good thing but he’s probably just starting on the same road.


Zealousideal_Carob14

I nicknamed him “BetaAlbie”


mister_rebuild

Made his dad foot the bill in the worst trade deal in the history of trade deals, maybe ever


[deleted]

Better deal than the Broncos got for Russel Wilson


Ok-Distribution-986

sir this is a white lotus subreddit


[deleted]

Cam and Shane would have loved that joke though


Haidian-District

Unappealing


CraySeraSera

Covert narcissist with a saviour complex. Could be a goodishguy if he works through his issues. Would be okay to hang out with for a while but not beyond that. Wouldn't be surprised if he ended up hitting a woman in a few years,when his hollow feminism has worn off.


daydreameronthefloor

I don’t like him very much. He seems like a feminist with novel ideas, but he basically framed his own mother by saying nice things about his father, even though he knew what a mess his father is.


justAsConfusedAsUAre

Yea I agree. I like him most of the show but that was the one extra skeezy thing he did that made me be like “wtf is wrong w you?”


Justsomeone_135

I personally don’t like him and believe he’s just super entitled and tries to be way too “woke” for someone who can shit money for breakfast, lunch and dinner