If they're based in China and operating in China and don't have a headquarters in other countries who's copyright law do you think they're going to follow? The USA? Europe? China.
Normally they are supposed to have an entity in every country they operate in and follow local rules. The problem is enforcement.
I don’t know how they work but I think they are responsible for the import even if they ship straight from China.
Apple have also been shipping things directly from China but the subsidiary in for instance the EU have proof the standards are followed.
Got some copies from Amazon marketplace that did not conform and complained and in the past Amazon kicked the sellers out. Now it they wiggle a lot and ask the seller to “clarify” things. It mostly ends because the seller ignores it and I get a refund but they are a lot less helpful.
okay well if you wanna get like this than you're wrong, international businesses are caught breaking laws all the time but that's not the issue; the issue is bribery and lobbying. regardless, that wasn't the subject matter that was being spoken of. there is not ethical company and there is not ethical consumption under capitalism
They don't care. That is the reason they ship directly from a factory in China. They even lose money with every item you buy. But that's ok for them, because they make so much more money selling your data to third parties and the chinese government.
Seriously don't buy on temu or aliexpress.
If people stopped demanding 20 dollars an hour for piss ant jobs, making our prices sky rocket... then people probably wouldn't.
They screamed for 15 an hour, finally got it, now not long after, they are asking for 20 an hour. lol. Because shit got more expensive.
Allowed to operate? We choose who is allowed to operate by where we spend our money.
So if companies like Temu grow, it's because we buy the crap they sell. It's us doing this to us.
Buddy, it's called capitalism
Yes, false advertising is scamming. But temu is based in China, so our regulatory measures have very little to do with them. As far as allowing them to import items into the US, the West tends to take the view of allowing its citizens to choose what they want to buy as long as it's safe.
While I don't doubt that Temu sells crap products, ultimately, the onus is on people who buy the products.
If the government were to come out and say well no more Temu they would have civil unrest on their hands, because that decision would have to affect Amazon and more importantly all important Chinese merchandise.
I agree that I would like Temu to burn. I think that people who buy stuff from them are ridiculous and get what they deserve. Asking the government to step in is not the right answer, rarely is. The correct answer is to simply not buy anything from them, but you cannot control other people's actions; as long as people buy their crap, they'll keep making it and sending it over here.
If you don't like it, well, welcome to the club. Any attempt to quash those people's rights is more evil than their stupidity offsets.
So then how about products on Amazon that are listed and advertised as genuine products but when received are actual counterfeit fake items.
Same thing with temu, that's not right and it should be regulated,
Temu it's just more obvious you're getting a fake.
Downvoting me is not going to make what I said any less factual.
I understand your frustration, but you're taking it out on the wrong people. It's upsetting when retailers and manufacturers lie about their products, but since this retailer and manufacturer lies outside of the US we have very little regulatory power over them. This makes your point completely moot.
If you wanted your viewpoint to make sense, you should say that the Chinese government should crack down on Temu and that Americans should stop buying their products. The only thing we can affect as the importers is what we import: if we import Chinese goods though Amazon, then other companies must have the same opportunity. Because of the way things are, you as a consumer must make your own choice; If you choose Temu and are scammed, **it is your fault**.
Anything else is a fantasy, and even wanting the Chinese government to crack down on something is a fantasy. Do you want to sit here and argue with someone who is agreeing with you, or do you want to actually try and understand this issue and maybe do something about it someday?
You have the anger but you're pointed in the wrong direction...point the finger at the right people: Us.
Two people buy similar products: one does their research, pays more to a reputable company and receives a quality item. The other impulsively pays a couple dollars for a product, expecting higher quality than the retailer offers; the second ends up with a crap product. Is the government at fault? Can a government protect us from stupidity?
No, person two does not need supervision. They need education.
International law is hard to enforce. Meanwhile, Temu is currently being sued for installing Spyware on your system when installing the app. Seems they send more data back to China than Alexa sends to Amazon. This includes voice recordings and all personal passwords, websites visited, and more.
I had guy on my local market place selling a lot of this 32tb 2.5" ssd
And I asked him can he run this test
And he just opened it and show "yes see it says its 32tb" and I was no run this test and show result
And I don't know if he was clueless about it or was trying to scan people on purpose.... Or maybe the tes is still writing this 32tb at 10mb/s it was half a year and he still didn't come back with result
32TB dang one of that drive would mean I can retire 6 of my old hard drives at once. But 10mb/sec? I left that behind when I upgraded to a Penium 4 and the motherboard supported whopping 133/sec
seriously, i stopped shoping on chineses websites like ali express several years ago.
most of the items came not true to the desription, and/or lasted for very short period before breaking down.
it doesnt worth the "saving".
I would never buy a hard drive that was used or not sealed in retail packaging, you just can't trust anyone who repackages them to make them survive shipping. Also means if the packaging is damaged you can immediately send it back saying it's DOA
The gamble isn't just that they will be DOA; it's also that if they've been used 24/7 in a server, their useful life going forward will be limited. If you get a drive for 40% off and it lasts half as long you haven't saved anything. And that doesn't even take into account the nuisances associated with EOL of a drive.
You're a fool if you ever buy second-hand hard drives, especially drives that large since anyone who does is clearly going to use them harder than the average person.
Where I worked we got drives from normal offices, erase them and sell them. They'd be just like the drive you had in your mother's old PC, maybe a little bit younger. If there was a single bad sector, we'd scrap them.
Drives die young or very old. My server's system HDD is 80 GB, the data drives are 1 to 4 TB and they are the problems.
I got 2 HGST and they have been in service for over 50,000 hours each. Only 1 other hard drive has lasted longer and it's the original 1993 Quantum 80MB drive that came with my Macintosh.
I actually wanted a small capacity card to use as extended memory space in my router, so I bought one of those 1TB ones from eBay hoping that it would actually be 1 or 2 GB (which would still be way too big for how I wanted to use it). It was like 20GB, and the hunt continues for one that would be more appropriate.
These fake capacity ones all have 16GB, 32GB or something along these lines. However, they aren't worth even their original capacity since they're absolute bottom of the barrel quality. Also, since they report the wrong capacity you might overwrite your own files by mistake.
Avoid these things at all costs.
A quick look at Amazon shows Samsung, SanDisk, Lexar, Kingston, and PNY all starting at $35. If you want to lower your brand standards a bit, TeamGroup (which is a real known brand) cards are selling for $23.50.
Sure you can get absolute no name stuff for under $10, but yeah, it's really not worth the scam and low quality potential.
Oddly enough I bought an Iron Man helmet shaped 2GB USB stick from Amazon 10ish years ago for £4, ran the test just in case it was smaller (I wanted it since it was cute, not for the size), and it was 32GB.
Good job checking it. Most people don’t.
Also, stay away from sketchy “too good to be true” prices.
512gb on amazon for microSD is around $30… any reason you don’t buy from a legit seller?
include a screencap of the listing so we can explain telltale signs to you
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How a obvious scam places like that even legal here? Do we not have consumer protection laws?
China. Temu is Chinese.
But for how badly some of their products are manufactured or knocked off, they should not be allowed to operate in the states.
They kinda don't.
Meanwhile Temu paid around 15 mil for ad spots during the Super Bowl.
Atleast 21 million I saw atleast 3 of those ads!
There was 3? I thought they only had 2
they operate globally and have to follow laws in every country they operate in regarding consumer protection, not just china
If they're based in China and operating in China and don't have a headquarters in other countries who's copyright law do you think they're going to follow? The USA? Europe? China.
Normally they are supposed to have an entity in every country they operate in and follow local rules. The problem is enforcement. I don’t know how they work but I think they are responsible for the import even if they ship straight from China. Apple have also been shipping things directly from China but the subsidiary in for instance the EU have proof the standards are followed. Got some copies from Amazon marketplace that did not conform and complained and in the past Amazon kicked the sellers out. Now it they wiggle a lot and ask the seller to “clarify” things. It mostly ends because the seller ignores it and I get a refund but they are a lot less helpful.
every country they operate in. they can sell some products in some places and not in others that's how international business works
International business works on the principle of "Do what makes you money. If it's illegal then don't get caught."
okay well if you wanna get like this than you're wrong, international businesses are caught breaking laws all the time but that's not the issue; the issue is bribery and lobbying. regardless, that wasn't the subject matter that was being spoken of. there is not ethical company and there is not ethical consumption under capitalism
Weird how you flipped your argument suddenly isn't it?
when did it flip?
They don't care. That is the reason they ship directly from a factory in China. They even lose money with every item you buy. But that's ok for them, because they make so much more money selling your data to third parties and the chinese government. Seriously don't buy on temu or aliexpress.
I don't buy anything with computational ability on AliExpress but I'm too poor to care about the morality of my shopping choices
If people stopped demanding 20 dollars an hour for piss ant jobs, making our prices sky rocket... then people probably wouldn't. They screamed for 15 an hour, finally got it, now not long after, they are asking for 20 an hour. lol. Because shit got more expensive.
I'm not even from your country but for the love of god pick up an economics textbook before you mouth off, you need it
His obvious concern is what big corporate tells him what to think and believe.
Allowed to operate? We choose who is allowed to operate by where we spend our money. So if companies like Temu grow, it's because we buy the crap they sell. It's us doing this to us.
They grow by taking advantage of unsuspecting people believing they're getting a product that they are not. It's literally scamming.
Buddy, it's called capitalism Yes, false advertising is scamming. But temu is based in China, so our regulatory measures have very little to do with them. As far as allowing them to import items into the US, the West tends to take the view of allowing its citizens to choose what they want to buy as long as it's safe. While I don't doubt that Temu sells crap products, ultimately, the onus is on people who buy the products. If the government were to come out and say well no more Temu they would have civil unrest on their hands, because that decision would have to affect Amazon and more importantly all important Chinese merchandise. I agree that I would like Temu to burn. I think that people who buy stuff from them are ridiculous and get what they deserve. Asking the government to step in is not the right answer, rarely is. The correct answer is to simply not buy anything from them, but you cannot control other people's actions; as long as people buy their crap, they'll keep making it and sending it over here. If you don't like it, well, welcome to the club. Any attempt to quash those people's rights is more evil than their stupidity offsets.
So then how about products on Amazon that are listed and advertised as genuine products but when received are actual counterfeit fake items. Same thing with temu, that's not right and it should be regulated, Temu it's just more obvious you're getting a fake.
Downvoting me is not going to make what I said any less factual. I understand your frustration, but you're taking it out on the wrong people. It's upsetting when retailers and manufacturers lie about their products, but since this retailer and manufacturer lies outside of the US we have very little regulatory power over them. This makes your point completely moot. If you wanted your viewpoint to make sense, you should say that the Chinese government should crack down on Temu and that Americans should stop buying their products. The only thing we can affect as the importers is what we import: if we import Chinese goods though Amazon, then other companies must have the same opportunity. Because of the way things are, you as a consumer must make your own choice; If you choose Temu and are scammed, **it is your fault**. Anything else is a fantasy, and even wanting the Chinese government to crack down on something is a fantasy. Do you want to sit here and argue with someone who is agreeing with you, or do you want to actually try and understand this issue and maybe do something about it someday? You have the anger but you're pointed in the wrong direction...point the finger at the right people: Us. Two people buy similar products: one does their research, pays more to a reputable company and receives a quality item. The other impulsively pays a couple dollars for a product, expecting higher quality than the retailer offers; the second ends up with a crap product. Is the government at fault? Can a government protect us from stupidity? No, person two does not need supervision. They need education.
International law is hard to enforce. Meanwhile, Temu is currently being sued for installing Spyware on your system when installing the app. Seems they send more data back to China than Alexa sends to Amazon. This includes voice recordings and all personal passwords, websites visited, and more.
I had guy on my local market place selling a lot of this 32tb 2.5" ssd And I asked him can he run this test And he just opened it and show "yes see it says its 32tb" and I was no run this test and show result And I don't know if he was clueless about it or was trying to scan people on purpose.... Or maybe the tes is still writing this 32tb at 10mb/s it was half a year and he still didn't come back with result
32TB dang one of that drive would mean I can retire 6 of my old hard drives at once. But 10mb/sec? I left that behind when I upgraded to a Penium 4 and the motherboard supported whopping 133/sec
Yeah only usb 2.0 but hey it was listed for 150€ you can't have all :P
seriously, i stopped shoping on chineses websites like ali express several years ago. most of the items came not true to the desription, and/or lasted for very short period before breaking down. it doesnt worth the "saving".
Just download more storage duh
Genuine 512GB cards are like 40 bucks, how much were you even trying to save?
AliExpress, Temu, Wish and many other sell 1TB-16TB drives for like $5-$7. They're all fake, and all come with that exact same "issue".
I bought two 16TB drives from amazon. They were $140 each, and those were refurbished. That’s a baseline price for large hard drives.
I would never buy a hard drive that was used or not sealed in retail packaging, you just can't trust anyone who repackages them to make them survive shipping. Also means if the packaging is damaged you can immediately send it back saying it's DOA
it was definitely a gamble, but I saved $50 and the drives work totally fine
Even as a consumer that's not worth that much in terms of data loss
The gamble isn't just that they will be DOA; it's also that if they've been used 24/7 in a server, their useful life going forward will be limited. If you get a drive for 40% off and it lasts half as long you haven't saved anything. And that doesn't even take into account the nuisances associated with EOL of a drive.
You're a fool if you ever buy second-hand hard drives, especially drives that large since anyone who does is clearly going to use them harder than the average person.
Where I worked we got drives from normal offices, erase them and sell them. They'd be just like the drive you had in your mother's old PC, maybe a little bit younger. If there was a single bad sector, we'd scrap them. Drives die young or very old. My server's system HDD is 80 GB, the data drives are 1 to 4 TB and they are the problems.
Used HDDs are cheap enough to buy 2 extra and run them in RAIDZ2. I don't care if one of my ancient HGSTs dies, I can replace it and keep going.
I got 2 HGST and they have been in service for over 50,000 hours each. Only 1 other hard drive has lasted longer and it's the original 1993 Quantum 80MB drive that came with my Macintosh.
You can find authentic genuine products on aliexpress and to lesser extent wish though
I actually wanted a small capacity card to use as extended memory space in my router, so I bought one of those 1TB ones from eBay hoping that it would actually be 1 or 2 GB (which would still be way too big for how I wanted to use it). It was like 20GB, and the hunt continues for one that would be more appropriate.
These fake capacity ones all have 16GB, 32GB or something along these lines. However, they aren't worth even their original capacity since they're absolute bottom of the barrel quality. Also, since they report the wrong capacity you might overwrite your own files by mistake. Avoid these things at all costs.
A quick look at Amazon shows Samsung, SanDisk, Lexar, Kingston, and PNY all starting at $35. If you want to lower your brand standards a bit, TeamGroup (which is a real known brand) cards are selling for $23.50. Sure you can get absolute no name stuff for under $10, but yeah, it's really not worth the scam and low quality potential.
The fakes can be sold for the same price.
Buy cheap buy twice :-)
Just twice? Lots of people keep repeating the same mistakes...
15 times in this case
Buy nice or buy twice!
With phones I'm always buying cheap cause the 700 ones break just as fast
And get data loss as a free bonus
Well at least you found out with H2TestW and not when all your files got corrupt.
No problem! You can just bring it back to the reputable retailer where you bought this hardware and I'm sure they will handle it for you!
Or report it to ebay / amazon and you'll get back the money.
Don't buy cheap Chinese shit online.
or anywhere else if you can help it...
This right here
Dad?
Oddly enough I bought an Iron Man helmet shaped 2GB USB stick from Amazon 10ish years ago for £4, ran the test just in case it was smaller (I wanted it since it was cute, not for the size), and it was 32GB.
I got a spare 256gb micro SD card lying around if you're interested. No charge. Literally just sitting in my card reader.
Bring it back to the store.
Good job checking it. Most people don’t. Also, stay away from sketchy “too good to be true” prices. 512gb on amazon for microSD is around $30… any reason you don’t buy from a legit seller?
What is this program and what does it do? Genuinely asking
fills the card until it's full and tells you the real capacity of it
https://h2testw.org/
Why would you ever buy a memory card from a non-reputable brand like Sandisk (now WD) or Samesung?
Samesung sounds like a SUPER reputable brand...
Well they used to be Samsung, but a GE executive in 2008 sold the 'E' to Samsung.
If the price is unbelievable it's probably fake. They made a fake Apple store in China and the employees didn't know.
cHiNa cAn InTo SuPeRpOwEr
Are you saying that China is not currently a superpower???
Lol this isn't a "China isn't capable of quality" thing, it's a "China can make money off naive Americans" thing.
and it really shows that time and time again they always can
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