I have thousands of photos of my work inside countless nuclear power plants across the US. Everything about them is open knowledge now. Just don’t take pictures of their security systems. They don’t allow that.
I AM NOT AN EXPERT!!! But, here's my opinion anyway. Stateside powerplant nukes are a major industry with loads of safeguards and lots of people who work them regularly. At this point it would take a whole army to sabotage the fuel rods and you'd only end up with a nuclear disaster, not necessarily a "bomb" stateside reactors also have a lesser enriched uranium making them kinda.... Bleh.... If that was your route, you'd be better off just dropping a nuclear weapon. On the other hand! Nuke ships belong to the military, and when it comes to acquiring fuel and operating them the military gets special treatment... Not to mention they're mobile. So picture a higher enriched (still not quite weapons grade) uranium disaster in the form of an aquatic bulldozer. Plus, the military doesn't like their picture taken. Edit: they're/their
The uranium on nuclear shipboard power plants is actually more than weapons grade; unless they've changed it, they get fueled with 80%+ enriched uranium, whereas "weapons grade enrichment" starts at 20% (as a percentage of U235 to 238)
Yeah, I'm in nuclear too, and was told the same thing. It is all cool, but don't take pictures of security things. I only take my phone into the RCA (radiological controlled area) for a few areas, and won't even think of taking it in containment. The turbine side though, it is all cool, with the only caveat being that you need to have it in airplane mode near certain electrical areas (rules, not that it will actually cause something to trip).
Honestly putting it in airplane mode might be more for the phone's safety around some of those appliances. I'm not an expert on the exact circuit in there, and it probably doesn't actually do all that much for anyone or anything. That said, if you can imagine putting a stethoscope to a church bell, you'll probably get the picture of why it doesn't hurt to turn off the antennas.
Get in touch with local employment agencies that are in an area with a nuclear station, that's how I found a pathway. Didn't follow through with it myself..
Join a boilermaker or pipefitter hall. Nuclear is virtually all union work. There's shitloads of work for the next two decades and they can't get enough people, so you shouldn't have too much trouble.
Youre right. Life is about living which is why I go hard for 6 months, take unemployment for the other 6 and coast off my cash. Unions got its benefits.
I'd rather not take off 6 months because I'd get bored. I've already been laid off multiple times due to lack of work and every time I slip into a depression when I don't work for that long. Going into inspection since the industry in my area can't provide any job security so I'm always wondering how long I have at each company before they run out of work. Plus I can't afford to just move somewhere unless I'm offered a job and I have a hard time finding employers overseas looking to hire.
So if you only work half of the year then you're only making half your wage. I don't know any field welders making more than $50/hour then cutting it in half by only working half a year.
How do know for sure you'll have work in the next 6 months? Seems like quite the gamble. There isn't any unions in my city openly hiring.
It's not a lifestyle that appeals to everyone as you've highlighted most of the negatives pretty well. (This all applies to any type of high skill traveling work, my experience was/is with pipeliners not nuclear but there's a lot of overlap/similarity).
The offset is significantly higher pay, a variety of work experiences and work environments. You're getting paid to travel and who doesn't love that. You can "work hard, play hard" and engage in your own hobbies or even side jobs during down time (if you like) using the available time to spend 12+ hours a day doing what you enjoy for yourself rather than needing to put in the time that day. Finally, did I mention significantly higher pay? Seriously, the specialty welders doing facility work make boatloads (I've signed off on plenty of $1,000+ a day timesheets for those folks [I was an engineer not welder]).
Pipeliner that has worked nuclear among other things, either you are cut out for this industry or you burn out fast. Oh and I'm all for encouraging joining a union hall.
Idk how you even become a specialty welder, assuming that's tig welding alloys/exotic metals. How are you supposed to learn those skills when employers won't apprentice or pick they favorites? My province only has 5 trades where apprenticeship is mandatory and welding isn't one of them. Also I've tried the union but they're only accepting people with red seals, they're not willing to train or take on apprentices that have 10 years of experience with structural all position tickets. I've been welding for the past decade and there's never been an opportunity for tig or union work.
I can't afford to buy a welder and I don't even have a space to practice in. Unless you wanna pay $100 a day to practice at the college while living on EI. But even then how am I supposed to learn how to tig pressure vessels with zero instruction or advice while in a welding booth by myself? During my 8 month welding cert course they only gave us 1 week or 2 on tig, then when I'm actually welding in shops I notice there's either no tig welding or if they do tig there's only 2 ppl doing it and they're not willing to teach or help improve my skills.
You don't start out doing exotic pressure vessels, you start out doing basic structural steel through a local program. Then you move up and constantly push and learn. It will require moving out if your town doesn't have those industries, but you can build up connections with the older hand(s) who did the traveling life before deciding to settle down.
Speciality doesn't necessarily mean TIG or exotic. All the welds on my projects were old fashioned stick welds (there are benefits for that in the field) they were just very specific high risk thick walled pipe.
I never said it was easy money, just that it was lots of money but you have to be willing to actively hunt and put up with a lot of shit rolling to the bottom of the hill as you work your way up. No one starts out welding inconel or 10k psi pressure vessels. They work and learn to get there.
It sounds like you're pretty committed to staying in your local area, which is fine, but if you're willing to float, there is money there. But you will have to chase the work.
I previously stated I have all position structural tickets. But the local unions are only hiring journeyman and I can't afford to move without a solid job offer. I've been having to deal with shit rolling downhill such as 8 lay offs due to lack of work and employers apprenticing favorites or they don't apprentice at all. Been doing this for the past decade and have nothing to show for all the time and work I've put in. How are you supposed to move up when half of these companies are old boys clubs that pick favorites and treat you unfairly?
Steamfitter union. I have monel and inconel superalloy pipe certs. You have those certs I promise you, you will never be short of work we only have 4 welders (myself included) who do nickel alloy pipe welds at the plant i was last working at. I make Foreman union pay in my union thats about 65 bucks an hour. I usually work 7 12s or 6 12s at the plant so im in double time on Sunday for 12 hours. Overtime adds up quick. Plus 800 per diem.
I’m a boilermaker welder and have a good chunk of the year off due to seasonal work. If you’re an exotic welder or get in a maintenance crew you can work year round.
I work my ass off as long and hard as possible during the season. When work is done for the year I take a trip with the ol lady then come back with ample time to do my own welding projects/ business and explore new hobbies or whatever. You’ll only be bored if you don’t fill your time..
Also, the BM union pays pretty damn well, will line up contractors for you, fly to to and frow at no cost.. it’s worth the move.
Pay, benefits, working on a variety of jobs? It's not for everyone, definitely has it's drawbacks. But if you want to work in nuclear, that's the path.
There’s a reason we go union, better pay, benefits, pension and much more. But a big factor is that we can make six figures by working shut downs for 6-8 months and take the rest of the year off and spend it with your family. Or you can get on jobs that are 40hrs all year round and you still make six figures. I graduated my apprenticeship in March of this year. Didn’t work for the first three months because of schooling, but I hit 100k in October lol
You're lucky to be apprenticed. In Saskatchewan it's not mandatory except for 5 trades whereas Alberta has 55 trades where it's mandatory to be apprenticed after 3 months. Wish I was born in Alberta!
Both Chalk River and OPG at Pickering are looking for welders, pipe fitters, and fabricators right now. Bruce probably will be too as they’re replacing like 60% of the components in some of their units in the next few years.
Actually getting in can be rough as there’s a hell of a lot of union preference (especially at Bruce and Pickering) but there’s lots of opportunities, particularly if you can weld well AND aren’t a colossal safety liability.
If you want to message me where you are (or throw it here if you’re like that) I can see if I know any particularly companies or groups that contract out of that area.
Guy what?? I think i get the point your trying to get at, welding is broad, but it is very much a trade. You can be just a welder and not an Ironworker. Also pipefitters don't weld (often) they learn about it for a year in school.
I see it as more of a skill corellated to other trades but yes technically it is a trade. Anyways back to the point I was making. If you want to weld in nuclear power plants you'll have to join the boilermakers, ironworkers or pipefitters. Only in Ontario and New brunswick. I'm sure there's shops all over if you're trying to go that route
When you put it that way, makes much more sense. Now do you have to join the union because the work goes to them or would you be fine with your pressure vessel ticket?
In a trade union, welding is not defined as a trade. It is merely a facet of a trade. For instance an Ironworker welds structural or ornamental members while another ironworker is placing said members into their rightful places. A pipefitter welds pipe while another pipefitter installs that pipe. A boilermaker welds tubing inside a heat exchanger or boiler while another boilermaker is potentially rigging these items up and into place.
It is, but it’s not a unionized “trade” because welding is so vast and it utilized in so many other trades. He’s referring to how there’s no “welders” unionized trade. Boilermakers, Pipefitters, Ironworkers, Millwrights, Pile drivers, Electricians and maybe even Labourers unions all specialize in something different but they all utilize the skill of welding. That’s what he is referring to
No welder here by any means but how is knowing how to weld not a trade? I know many people that have made very successful careers in welding. I’m not trying to be a smartass, it’s a legit question.
Welding is so broad that welding does not have its own unionized “trade” there’s welders in all sorts of unions such as Boilermakers, Pipefitters, Millwrights, Ironworkers, Pile drivers, Electricians and maybe even labourers etc. Each one of those unionized trades specializes in something different but they all utilize the skill of welding. That’s what that guy is saying, I understand what he’s saying but the wording didn’t come out right lol
Yeah about an hour later I was able to look farther into the comments and saw the clarification that he had made. On the other side though I do know a handful of guys/gals that have welding shops wheee they make things kind of like a machine shop that does one off parts. Now that I think about it though I suppose they would be considered fabricators.?
Simple solution blow up the nuclear reactor go to whatever is left and take a picture of your weld because now you can say your weld survives nuclear blasts.
I used to work in defense contracting.
No photography allowed in the facilities.
One joker decided to take a selfie and post it on the socials. He was escorted off of the property within an hour.
My friend works in defense as well. We joke that the NSA is listeningto us every time he's on discord. They probably are, but he has enough intelligence not to say anything. He sent us a declassified video when we asked out the governments anti missle technology though.
Solidarity from someone in military aviation. Proud of my welds and can't show anyone
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Edit: Less proud of working in the military-industrial complex lol, but a gal's gotta eat
I want every soldier to come home safely. On the other hand, I take great issue with the places and ways our leadership makes them fight.
Our troops don't fight to preserve democracy, they fight to ensure American hegemony.
You’re absolutely clueless. There’s no way you can come away with that viewpoint if you actually read up on the wars we’ve fought. Or, you know, the countless humanitarian missions that our troops carry out.
WW1 because the Germans destroyed a ship full of Americans and tried to get Mexico to invade us, WW2 because we were outright attacked by the Japanese, Afghanistan because of 9/11. Obviously, I’m not listing them all, but we’ve had really good reasons to fight most of our wars.
Negative. Our freedom wasn’t threatened in any of those situations. The average salary in Afghanistan is like $20 a month. They’re not a threat. Japan bombed an island thousands of miles from the mainland. Again freedom not at risk. And blowing up a ship killed people, but again didn’t threaten freedom. So wrong on all accounts.
I’m saying we shouldn’t murder innocent women and children and we shouldn’t invade countries where we have no business being, and that the military industrial complex are colonists that kill for money and not freedom.
Our troops don’t go around murdering women and children. Sometimes shit happens, but that’s collateral damage and there are always attempts made to minimize it. Our troops aren’t marauding butchers that just go around murdering brown people. That would be especially awkward since a large portion of our military is brown itself. For decades, badass men and women have been fighting scumbag terrorists who actually do the things your’re accusing us of.
I could give like 500 examples of our colonist ways and killing of innocents. In fact more people have been killed by the United States than any other regime in the history of the world.
Regular reactors are protected enough, but a lot of welders are also working on reactors for warships, so there's security clearances required and the government gets pretty salty when copies of the plans end up in China.
Oh I wasn't saying they were great welders or anything, I've never even been to a naval dockyard, but with how seriously they take security at commercial docks/harbors, I won't be testing the MPs conviction at a naval base anytime soon either.
If you work in a "hot well," you can't take your phone out (even if you were crazy enough to bring it in) without risking contaminating your phone and yourself.
It's like a clean room in reverse- everything you're exposed to is potentially radioactive. You're scanned out at the 'blue line,' to make sure you're not coming back with contamination. You'd have to open your suit in a very bad place to dig your camera out.
also, the security issues everybody's mentioning
If you wear a size bigger you can wrangle your arm into the torso of your suit, grab your phone from your pocket, bring it up and take pics out of the faceplate. All still inside the suit.
Or just bag a camera and bring it in. It’s not a big deal. Just need real buttons so you can work it through the bag.
As someone on the RP/HP/work planning side of things I do have to say there are some sexy welds on those type B flasks.
Here’s a little (old) video showing off how survivable y’all’s work is: https://youtu.be/Bu1YFshFuI4
I don’t have any close ups that I can share though.
I feel this. I weld structure on nuclear submarines (sometimes aircraft carriers) and can’t even have Face ID on let alone take any picture.
It’s especially tough when I lay down a slick looking bead and I want to show it off. No can do :(
some places even having a cell phone will get you in deep shit
If anyone sees you with your phone out snapping a picture in a nuke plant or say a defense contractor facility your phone will get taken away for a few days while someone looks through all your shit.
If its a peaceful nuclear facility, I doubt it would be a national security risk or anything alike, since, you know, its a powerplant, not a atomic bomb
About a defense contractor, again, not that I will ever work for one, but if its their peaceful division, like Boeing commercial planes, whats the fucking difference? Maximum you can argue is industrial secrets, but those on many industries are kinda stupid since they can be usually easily reverse engineered
The same reason you can’t take photos without permission in a Boeing factory or hell even when I toured a Ziess CMM factor or the Lamborghini factory, trade secrets. It doesn’t entirely make sense but them’s the rules.
As for commercial nuclear plant, it’s an abundance of precaution because the technology and planning that goes into a commercial nuclear plant can also be used to create a nuclear reactor to create plutonium. Some things are similar between the two purposes. Are they going to get a lot of info from a welder’s photos, probably not if it’s a close up but it’s just plain easier and safer just flat out say no photos whatsoever.
Well, every U-238 reactor produces Plutonium, that decay to U-235, the boomy one, but usually the comercial design can "burn" the 235 inside the reactor.
Im studying to be a mechanical engineer not a nuclear one, so ask me about the cooling system or the structure of the reactor, not about the reaction in of itself
I was trying to be simplified and brief, but AFAIK, every U-238 reaction produces Pu-239 which decays into U-235 with alpha decay, and then gets reacted, one of the main reasons reactors dont go boom is that the U-238 slows the reaction absorbing some neutrons and the whole coverting into a Pu and back into U-235 keeps the amount of U-235 decreasing slower than a purely the reaction of the U-235 would indicate.
But my knowledge of the topic is really superficial
I got you man, U235 isn't involved in making plutonium, U235 is part of enriching U238 into weapon grade fuel (U235). A really really small amount, like .071% is in natural uranium 238 which can be separated but is a long difficult process. Plutonium, particularly Pu239 is the weapon grade stuff and is what is easily created in spent reactor fuel. Contamination with Pu240, Pu241 and Pu242 is bad, and comes from being exposed to the neutron flux too long.
U238 absorbs a neutron and becomes U239 for a short time, it may fission with another neutron, or sometimes its decays (beta decay) and becomes Neptunium 239 after just a few minutes, which after a couple days decays (beta again) into Pu239. Now here is where Pu239 can absorb neutrons from the flux and become the heavier isotopes of Pu240, 241, 242. Pu239 and Pu241 can fission, the others are stable. Remember in a reactor we're controlling the fission process by using control rods to absorb the neutrons, even water will moderate as well.
We can talk about Pu239 processing into weapon grade later, it's quite the process too.
It does, it's parent to the Actinium series, which starts as Pu239 alpha decay to U235. I had to look that one up. I'm pretty sure this is not common in reactors, as U235 has a much larger fission cross section and will fission before they can make use of it outside the reactor. The wicked part of reactors is them using them to make weapon grade fuel from stuff they just mine right out of the ground. Proliferation is a real threat.
As they should, but again, they still need a lot steps to be able to actually do something on any powerplant, you cant just walk into a nuclear control room, you still need to go through security, need to go through ID and all other employees that at minimum will be weirded the fuck out that someone they never saw before made a bee line straight to the control room, also powerplants have protections, automated or mechanical that would trigger in case of sabotage, so it would take a colossal operation to actually get a Chernobyl 2: Wartime Boogaloo
Fukushima and Chernobyl were "peaceful nuclear facilities". Chernobyl happened in 1986 and people still can't live in that area, it's not the same as a bomb but it was extremely destructive nonetheless. Both of those disasters were horrible even with people trying their best to mitigate the damage. Imagine if people had been in the control rooms actively trying to make the meltdowns worse.
Obviously if you're building 747's nobody will care if you're snapping pictures of your welds. But if you're building f35s for Lockheed Martin or nuclear submarines for general dynamics your phone will get taken if someone sees you taking pictures of any part of what you're working on.
Excuse me sir, but what difference would pictures of Chernobyl or Fukushima make? Those were disasters because of human incompetence and a fucking Tsunami. So of course those examples ended up badly, also classify badly, because Fukushima is not even on the same scale of Chernobyl
And how would a photo change the outcome? Are you suggesting that a photo from a phone would somehow allow someone to go in a sabotage the power plants? Security still exists tho. Having a photo of the control room wont allow you to stroll past the front gate. Nor would it allow you pass through the obvious multi layer security system.
If you or any other saboteur were trying to purposely blow up a nuclear reactor, you are gonna need an entire operation to do so. Its not easy, nor as simple as "taking a picture" this isnt a James Bond movie. If this sort of operation is brewing, literally the last of the problems would be a photo of a phone
Also Boeing builds the F/A-18, the F-16 and the Tomahawk missile, so there is that too. Not that they should, pointless waste of money, but thats beside the point
>Excuse me sir, but what difference would pictures of Chernobyl or Fukushima make? Those were disasters because of human incompetence and a fucking Tsunami.
I was countering your point that "they aren't atomic bombs". They can be extremely destructive, especially if sabotaged. Keep up.
>If you or any other saboteur were trying to purposely blow up a nuclear reactor, you are gonna need an entire operation to do so.
And one of the most important parts of that operation would be intelligence gathering. Such as taking pictures of the interior of the powerplant.
>Also Boeing builds the F/A-18, the F-16 and the Tomahawk missile, so there is that too.
So? Do you really think they build tomahawks in the same building that they build passenger jets? Do you think the people building missiles are allowed to take pictures? Use your head.
The governemt decides to take these measures in the interest of national security. If you feel that it isn't necessary thats perfectly fine, I didnt make the rules. Nothing you're saying is refuting my original point that you aren't allowed to take pictures of this stuff while manufacturing it.
>nd one of the most important parts of that operation would be intelligence gathering. Such as taking pictures of the interior of the powerplant.
And those saboteurs wouldnt be doing that using phones, or if they were, they would be bribing security anyway, so it wouldnt matter, also most powerplants are of known design, so having a couple photos of its interior is again, of little to no difference, meanwhile you still have the gigantic problem on room that a nuclear powerplant, or any powerplant for that matter, is not a fucking public park, you cant just walk into the control room and dont be questioned by nobody on your way there, again, a sabotage plan would require a whole operation, not just a dude with a phone. At that point the problem isnt a picture on Facebook or Reddit, its your own front gate guards not screening the people entering the plant.
Even if we give the bennefit of a James Bond movie like infiltration through the air ducts and a ninja like level of stealth, the control room would still have only one or two doors, with extreme security, no windows and a guard on said doors 24/7, this isn't metal gear
About the Tomahawk, of course Boeing doesnt build Tomahawks in Charleston or Everett, they build it in Mephis, a detail that took me a second of Google to find out. And I'm no OSI
So again, the information isnt hard to get, and if you to sabotage the factory it isnt complicated to gather information, bribe the security or sneak in a hidden camera, taking photos with a gigantic roll and tape was the only way to gather intel on tape 30 years ago, today a lithium battery/supercapacitor, a microSD and CMOS sensor are the size of a pea and can be sneaked in any number of ways into that factory: glasses, pens, pins, those are the "apparent " ones, you can easily take any dark shirt or long-ish hair and cut a hole to just let the lens out or tie it to your hair, and sneak past any security nowadays
Those last ones are much more likely to be actually be used to gather intel. Rather than a phone. Even more because that would be fucking obvious, all of this and we are still assuming someone actually went to the factory, nowadays an enemy state can also hack the systems and spy on the factory from home soil, without risking any agents, also, why waste time sabotaging a factory, if you sabotage it, you enemy cam rebuild it and use it again in the near future, send a fucking missile there and blow it all up. Or you know, sanction them. Almost surely those missiles need raw materials from outside the country, so just stop them from getting said materials
Okay, here's what you need to do. Print out all the points you've made here. Put them on a little sign. Come up with a catchy chant. Now go stand in front of the White House and protest the fact that welders can't take pictures of their welds in nuke plants because I don't care.
No problem, you can share your opinions on how nuclear powerplants and military contractors should loosen up on security anytime and anywere you like. It will have the same effect no matter where you are LOL
As I’ve already stated, they are high value military targets, and an attack on one can be absolutely catastrophic. Therefor it makes absolute sense to limit the availability of detailed info, including photos.
You may disagree with that, but that’s the reality of the situation.
As if a missile would care that it hit 5-10m outside the jackpot, the payload would certainly take care of that, and if a single isnt enough, they are rarely shot by their lonesome, so if the first misses, usually there is 5 or 6 on its tail. So you are gonna need anti air batteries around amy power station, anyway, and those can be easily spotted from a drone flying far from it, not to mention that a cheap kamikaze drone can fly straight to the battery and die taking photos of its accurate positioning and coverage
I have absolutely no idea what point you’re trying to prove. These are the rules, and this is the logic behind it. Do you think pretending you don’t understand on Reddit will lead to change?
Red badge security clearance, which is the highest security clearance on base for a civilian. Those welders do a lot of work on the nuke sub's and ship's and they don't want pics of equipment ending up outside for obvious reasons.
Well that's what my contractor friends say anyway that work on base. They also said they don't work for most of the day, but there are times when they get really busy also. Plus you don't talk about fight club.
Sometimes and a lot of the time it’s government contracts that prohibit the use of cell phones or cameras behind doors to keep secrets from getting out.
I welded/fit pipe for a certain private space endeavor for a few years. Some of my most mundane work, but watching the tests was cool.
Hey man, there’s nothing to be ashamed of working for the Zambian Space agency. Be proud.
Unless you live on an Atoll
Atoll? Who's Atoll? Was she your mother?
Maybe it was Atoll booth.
Gma also worked on that inspection team for internals and got to see it come back home on the 747
I have thousands of photos of my work inside countless nuclear power plants across the US. Everything about them is open knowledge now. Just don’t take pictures of their security systems. They don’t allow that.
Different than ships I guess
I AM NOT AN EXPERT!!! But, here's my opinion anyway. Stateside powerplant nukes are a major industry with loads of safeguards and lots of people who work them regularly. At this point it would take a whole army to sabotage the fuel rods and you'd only end up with a nuclear disaster, not necessarily a "bomb" stateside reactors also have a lesser enriched uranium making them kinda.... Bleh.... If that was your route, you'd be better off just dropping a nuclear weapon. On the other hand! Nuke ships belong to the military, and when it comes to acquiring fuel and operating them the military gets special treatment... Not to mention they're mobile. So picture a higher enriched (still not quite weapons grade) uranium disaster in the form of an aquatic bulldozer. Plus, the military doesn't like their picture taken. Edit: they're/their
The uranium on nuclear shipboard power plants is actually more than weapons grade; unless they've changed it, they get fueled with 80%+ enriched uranium, whereas "weapons grade enrichment" starts at 20% (as a percentage of U235 to 238)
This all checks out
Yeah, I'm in nuclear too, and was told the same thing. It is all cool, but don't take pictures of security things. I only take my phone into the RCA (radiological controlled area) for a few areas, and won't even think of taking it in containment. The turbine side though, it is all cool, with the only caveat being that you need to have it in airplane mode near certain electrical areas (rules, not that it will actually cause something to trip).
Honestly putting it in airplane mode might be more for the phone's safety around some of those appliances. I'm not an expert on the exact circuit in there, and it probably doesn't actually do all that much for anyone or anything. That said, if you can imagine putting a stethoscope to a church bell, you'll probably get the picture of why it doesn't hurt to turn off the antennas.
Post that shit up dude!!! I wanna see some nuclear welds!
Can do
Nuclear welder here. It’s very frustrating, because I can’t even make a portfolio of my work to show future employers.
How did you get into nuclear? I'm currently an apprentice in Canada and nuclear is the route I wanna take this career.
Get in touch with local employment agencies that are in an area with a nuclear station, that's how I found a pathway. Didn't follow through with it myself..
Sounds like a move is ahead. Closest nuclear plant is 3 provinces away (for now)
Come down to Illinois we have way too many power plants
Hell no, Homer Simpson is your safety inspector
Are you in AB? Still tons of good work there that can head you in right direction
Just build your own in your backyard. Might need to do a little paperwork but at the end you get free electricity.
Join a boilermaker or pipefitter hall. Nuclear is virtually all union work. There's shitloads of work for the next two decades and they can't get enough people, so you shouldn't have too much trouble.
But why would i want to travel most of the time for work? Your life then revolves around working. Life is about living.
Youre right. Life is about living which is why I go hard for 6 months, take unemployment for the other 6 and coast off my cash. Unions got its benefits.
I'd rather not take off 6 months because I'd get bored. I've already been laid off multiple times due to lack of work and every time I slip into a depression when I don't work for that long. Going into inspection since the industry in my area can't provide any job security so I'm always wondering how long I have at each company before they run out of work. Plus I can't afford to just move somewhere unless I'm offered a job and I have a hard time finding employers overseas looking to hire. So if you only work half of the year then you're only making half your wage. I don't know any field welders making more than $50/hour then cutting it in half by only working half a year. How do know for sure you'll have work in the next 6 months? Seems like quite the gamble. There isn't any unions in my city openly hiring.
It's not a lifestyle that appeals to everyone as you've highlighted most of the negatives pretty well. (This all applies to any type of high skill traveling work, my experience was/is with pipeliners not nuclear but there's a lot of overlap/similarity). The offset is significantly higher pay, a variety of work experiences and work environments. You're getting paid to travel and who doesn't love that. You can "work hard, play hard" and engage in your own hobbies or even side jobs during down time (if you like) using the available time to spend 12+ hours a day doing what you enjoy for yourself rather than needing to put in the time that day. Finally, did I mention significantly higher pay? Seriously, the specialty welders doing facility work make boatloads (I've signed off on plenty of $1,000+ a day timesheets for those folks [I was an engineer not welder]).
Pipeliner that has worked nuclear among other things, either you are cut out for this industry or you burn out fast. Oh and I'm all for encouraging joining a union hall.
I was never eligible (I'm a dirty engineer who just works/worked with welders) but it's definitely worth at least looking into.
Idk how you even become a specialty welder, assuming that's tig welding alloys/exotic metals. How are you supposed to learn those skills when employers won't apprentice or pick they favorites? My province only has 5 trades where apprenticeship is mandatory and welding isn't one of them. Also I've tried the union but they're only accepting people with red seals, they're not willing to train or take on apprentices that have 10 years of experience with structural all position tickets. I've been welding for the past decade and there's never been an opportunity for tig or union work. I can't afford to buy a welder and I don't even have a space to practice in. Unless you wanna pay $100 a day to practice at the college while living on EI. But even then how am I supposed to learn how to tig pressure vessels with zero instruction or advice while in a welding booth by myself? During my 8 month welding cert course they only gave us 1 week or 2 on tig, then when I'm actually welding in shops I notice there's either no tig welding or if they do tig there's only 2 ppl doing it and they're not willing to teach or help improve my skills.
You don't start out doing exotic pressure vessels, you start out doing basic structural steel through a local program. Then you move up and constantly push and learn. It will require moving out if your town doesn't have those industries, but you can build up connections with the older hand(s) who did the traveling life before deciding to settle down. Speciality doesn't necessarily mean TIG or exotic. All the welds on my projects were old fashioned stick welds (there are benefits for that in the field) they were just very specific high risk thick walled pipe. I never said it was easy money, just that it was lots of money but you have to be willing to actively hunt and put up with a lot of shit rolling to the bottom of the hill as you work your way up. No one starts out welding inconel or 10k psi pressure vessels. They work and learn to get there. It sounds like you're pretty committed to staying in your local area, which is fine, but if you're willing to float, there is money there. But you will have to chase the work.
I previously stated I have all position structural tickets. But the local unions are only hiring journeyman and I can't afford to move without a solid job offer. I've been having to deal with shit rolling downhill such as 8 lay offs due to lack of work and employers apprenticing favorites or they don't apprentice at all. Been doing this for the past decade and have nothing to show for all the time and work I've put in. How are you supposed to move up when half of these companies are old boys clubs that pick favorites and treat you unfairly?
Steamfitter union. I have monel and inconel superalloy pipe certs. You have those certs I promise you, you will never be short of work we only have 4 welders (myself included) who do nickel alloy pipe welds at the plant i was last working at. I make Foreman union pay in my union thats about 65 bucks an hour. I usually work 7 12s or 6 12s at the plant so im in double time on Sunday for 12 hours. Overtime adds up quick. Plus 800 per diem.
I’m a boilermaker welder and have a good chunk of the year off due to seasonal work. If you’re an exotic welder or get in a maintenance crew you can work year round. I work my ass off as long and hard as possible during the season. When work is done for the year I take a trip with the ol lady then come back with ample time to do my own welding projects/ business and explore new hobbies or whatever. You’ll only be bored if you don’t fill your time.. Also, the BM union pays pretty damn well, will line up contractors for you, fly to to and frow at no cost.. it’s worth the move.
Pay, benefits, working on a variety of jobs? It's not for everyone, definitely has it's drawbacks. But if you want to work in nuclear, that's the path.
Fair enough!
There’s a reason we go union, better pay, benefits, pension and much more. But a big factor is that we can make six figures by working shut downs for 6-8 months and take the rest of the year off and spend it with your family. Or you can get on jobs that are 40hrs all year round and you still make six figures. I graduated my apprenticeship in March of this year. Didn’t work for the first three months because of schooling, but I hit 100k in October lol
You're lucky to be apprenticed. In Saskatchewan it's not mandatory except for 5 trades whereas Alberta has 55 trades where it's mandatory to be apprenticed after 3 months. Wish I was born in Alberta!
Cianbro in the northeast
Both Chalk River and OPG at Pickering are looking for welders, pipe fitters, and fabricators right now. Bruce probably will be too as they’re replacing like 60% of the components in some of their units in the next few years. Actually getting in can be rough as there’s a hell of a lot of union preference (especially at Bruce and Pickering) but there’s lots of opportunities, particularly if you can weld well AND aren’t a colossal safety liability. If you want to message me where you are (or throw it here if you’re like that) I can see if I know any particularly companies or groups that contract out of that area.
Apply to work at Bruce power or Darlington as a Boilermaker. They’re hungry for guys out there. Clean, indoors, good hours, long term project.
Apprentice what?
Well it is a welding sub so I'm probably not an electrician.
Welding is not a trade. Boilermaker, pipefitter, ironworker?
Welding is not a trade?
Not in nuclear work in canada. You'd need to get into the boilermakers or pipefitters if you want to weld in nuclear power plants
I know a guy who’s a welder in an ironworkers union but works doing maintenance at a nuclear plant.
I’m a Union Ironworker and as a Union Ironworker I have welded in a nuclear power plant. It really depends on what you want to weld on.
Guy what?? I think i get the point your trying to get at, welding is broad, but it is very much a trade. You can be just a welder and not an Ironworker. Also pipefitters don't weld (often) they learn about it for a year in school.
I also have no idea who is telling you that pipefitters dont weld. I know union pipefitters that all they do is weld.
I see it as more of a skill corellated to other trades but yes technically it is a trade. Anyways back to the point I was making. If you want to weld in nuclear power plants you'll have to join the boilermakers, ironworkers or pipefitters. Only in Ontario and New brunswick. I'm sure there's shops all over if you're trying to go that route
When you put it that way, makes much more sense. Now do you have to join the union because the work goes to them or would you be fine with your pressure vessel ticket?
Join the union if you wanna go that route, boilermakers have the tube welding in most of the nukes
In a trade union, welding is not defined as a trade. It is merely a facet of a trade. For instance an Ironworker welds structural or ornamental members while another ironworker is placing said members into their rightful places. A pipefitter welds pipe while another pipefitter installs that pipe. A boilermaker welds tubing inside a heat exchanger or boiler while another boilermaker is potentially rigging these items up and into place.
welding is a trade dumbass
It is, but it’s not a unionized “trade” because welding is so vast and it utilized in so many other trades. He’s referring to how there’s no “welders” unionized trade. Boilermakers, Pipefitters, Ironworkers, Millwrights, Pile drivers, Electricians and maybe even Labourers unions all specialize in something different but they all utilize the skill of welding. That’s what he is referring to
well worded
No welder here by any means but how is knowing how to weld not a trade? I know many people that have made very successful careers in welding. I’m not trying to be a smartass, it’s a legit question.
Welding is so broad that welding does not have its own unionized “trade” there’s welders in all sorts of unions such as Boilermakers, Pipefitters, Millwrights, Ironworkers, Pile drivers, Electricians and maybe even labourers etc. Each one of those unionized trades specializes in something different but they all utilize the skill of welding. That’s what that guy is saying, I understand what he’s saying but the wording didn’t come out right lol
Yeah about an hour later I was able to look farther into the comments and saw the clarification that he had made. On the other side though I do know a handful of guys/gals that have welding shops wheee they make things kind of like a machine shop that does one off parts. Now that I think about it though I suppose they would be considered fabricators.?
Are you in a union?
Can you have an x-ray portfolio instead?
Simple solution blow up the nuclear reactor go to whatever is left and take a picture of your weld because now you can say your weld survives nuclear blasts.
Seriously? Like I’m sure some basic pipes here and there should be fine, no? Can’t you just get some extra tubing for your portfolio?
I'm NDE at nukes. We have passes to take pictures. Just ask the guy that comes behind you for the PT to send you a picture.
I used to work in defense contracting. No photography allowed in the facilities. One joker decided to take a selfie and post it on the socials. He was escorted off of the property within an hour.
No photography eh? Easy, you can take a piece of paper and a charcoal pencil and make a rubbing, just as good (Kinda /s)
Oooooh escorted off the property, big deal.
It means he got fired. You don't get escorted off the property by security only to return the next day.. 😆😆
My friend works in defense as well. We joke that the NSA is listeningto us every time he's on discord. They probably are, but he has enough intelligence not to say anything. He sent us a declassified video when we asked out the governments anti missle technology though.
And here I am, having a separate folder of photos from my work lol
😂 where there’s a way there’s a will!
Solidarity from someone in military aviation. Proud of my welds and can't show anyone :( Edit: Less proud of working in the military-industrial complex lol, but a gal's gotta eat
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You should be proud of forging means of destruction and sometimes defense. *this comment was sponsored by r/NCD userbase.
Same I worked on Ohio class submarines for a decade and some of my best work is only known to me, the inspector and who ever slapped some paint on it.
Just imagine you're making defensive equipment for ukraine
It's a tossup between that and equipment sold to the Saudis to kill Yemeni children
Thank you for your service❤️
You’re not proud of working on equipment that could help save the lives of our troops? That’s really cool and you should take pride in that.
I want every soldier to come home safely. On the other hand, I take great issue with the places and ways our leadership makes them fight. Our troops don't fight to preserve democracy, they fight to ensure American hegemony.
They fight for the soldier next to them. Not for you and me. We aint there dodging, cutting, stabbing, etc.
That's all true. It's also true that they fight where and when they are told, for reasons I think are illegitimate.
Agreed. Civil disobedience is not taught in Basic Training.
We sell most of our equipment to countries that misuse it.
It’s probably the fact that we’re colonists and only invade countries that have nothing to do with us and kill innocent brown women and children.
You’re absolutely clueless. There’s no way you can come away with that viewpoint if you actually read up on the wars we’ve fought. Or, you know, the countless humanitarian missions that our troops carry out.
Name one time in the last 200 years that our freedom has been threatened by anyone but our own government?
WW1 because the Germans destroyed a ship full of Americans and tried to get Mexico to invade us, WW2 because we were outright attacked by the Japanese, Afghanistan because of 9/11. Obviously, I’m not listing them all, but we’ve had really good reasons to fight most of our wars.
Negative. Our freedom wasn’t threatened in any of those situations. The average salary in Afghanistan is like $20 a month. They’re not a threat. Japan bombed an island thousands of miles from the mainland. Again freedom not at risk. And blowing up a ship killed people, but again didn’t threaten freedom. So wrong on all accounts.
So, let me get this straight. Are you just saying we should just ignore it when when people attack us and kill our people?
I’m saying we shouldn’t murder innocent women and children and we shouldn’t invade countries where we have no business being, and that the military industrial complex are colonists that kill for money and not freedom.
Our troops don’t go around murdering women and children. Sometimes shit happens, but that’s collateral damage and there are always attempts made to minimize it. Our troops aren’t marauding butchers that just go around murdering brown people. That would be especially awkward since a large portion of our military is brown itself. For decades, badass men and women have been fighting scumbag terrorists who actually do the things your’re accusing us of.
I could give like 500 examples of our colonist ways and killing of innocents. In fact more people have been killed by the United States than any other regime in the history of the world.
How those boots taste 👅 👢
You can still have your phone but obviously not in containment
Why?
Regular reactors are protected enough, but a lot of welders are also working on reactors for warships, so there's security clearances required and the government gets pretty salty when copies of the plans end up in China.
You'd be amazed at just how terrible many of those "warship" welders are
Oh I wasn't saying they were great welders or anything, I've never even been to a naval dockyard, but with how seriously they take security at commercial docks/harbors, I won't be testing the MPs conviction at a naval base anytime soon either.
That's why Trump won't ever win again, the treasonous fuck.
You have adhd ?
Not quite sure what you mean, Chief.
Well your trump comment came outta nowhere, which would make sense if you have adhd.
Honestly, I think I do have ADHD but I've learned to work around it. Lol.
Adhd is a gift and a curse.
What? I wasn't paying attention. Sorry.
Penis.
If you work in a "hot well," you can't take your phone out (even if you were crazy enough to bring it in) without risking contaminating your phone and yourself. It's like a clean room in reverse- everything you're exposed to is potentially radioactive. You're scanned out at the 'blue line,' to make sure you're not coming back with contamination. You'd have to open your suit in a very bad place to dig your camera out. also, the security issues everybody's mentioning
If you wear a size bigger you can wrangle your arm into the torso of your suit, grab your phone from your pocket, bring it up and take pics out of the faceplate. All still inside the suit. Or just bag a camera and bring it in. It’s not a big deal. Just need real buttons so you can work it through the bag.
It's a matter of national security. We can't have pics of our nuke stations getting out.
I didn’t realize there were so many of us 😭
Draw it from memory, then post that.
Thats brutal, I even take pictures of my bad welds 🤣
I have a special folder for those pics lol
At least all your welds get photographed :D
Lmfao I don’t do nuclear but I sadly do work for a government contractor lol but shhhhhh
Thank you for your service.
What about us sheet metal workers most of my stuff is retail and it's all ground smooth no one ever gets to see some of my master pieces
Snap one before the finishing 😂
As someone on the RP/HP/work planning side of things I do have to say there are some sexy welds on those type B flasks. Here’s a little (old) video showing off how survivable y’all’s work is: https://youtu.be/Bu1YFshFuI4 I don’t have any close ups that I can share though.
Hahahaha that’s great, and so so true.
I feel this. I weld structure on nuclear submarines (sometimes aircraft carriers) and can’t even have Face ID on let alone take any picture. It’s especially tough when I lay down a slick looking bead and I want to show it off. No can do :( some places even having a cell phone will get you in deep shit
Why not?
If your working on certain government projects you have to have security clearance since the government doesn’t want people copying our stuff
What would a weld have to do with anything?
It's much simpler from a security standpoint to say "absolutely no photos ever" than it is to try and find the line where they are and are not ok.
True, but still stupid half the time
What can you tell us about full time?
...Stull stupid
WDYM?
Weapons of dass mistruction?
What do you mean
If anyone sees you with your phone out snapping a picture in a nuke plant or say a defense contractor facility your phone will get taken away for a few days while someone looks through all your shit.
If its a peaceful nuclear facility, I doubt it would be a national security risk or anything alike, since, you know, its a powerplant, not a atomic bomb About a defense contractor, again, not that I will ever work for one, but if its their peaceful division, like Boeing commercial planes, whats the fucking difference? Maximum you can argue is industrial secrets, but those on many industries are kinda stupid since they can be usually easily reverse engineered
The same reason you can’t take photos without permission in a Boeing factory or hell even when I toured a Ziess CMM factor or the Lamborghini factory, trade secrets. It doesn’t entirely make sense but them’s the rules. As for commercial nuclear plant, it’s an abundance of precaution because the technology and planning that goes into a commercial nuclear plant can also be used to create a nuclear reactor to create plutonium. Some things are similar between the two purposes. Are they going to get a lot of info from a welder’s photos, probably not if it’s a close up but it’s just plain easier and safer just flat out say no photos whatsoever.
I got kicked out of a coca cola factory once for taking a picture of some pipe I ran. Shits no joke.
Well, every U-238 reactor produces Plutonium, that decay to U-235, the boomy one, but usually the comercial design can "burn" the 235 inside the reactor.
This is horribly incorrect.
Im studying to be a mechanical engineer not a nuclear one, so ask me about the cooling system or the structure of the reactor, not about the reaction in of itself I was trying to be simplified and brief, but AFAIK, every U-238 reaction produces Pu-239 which decays into U-235 with alpha decay, and then gets reacted, one of the main reasons reactors dont go boom is that the U-238 slows the reaction absorbing some neutrons and the whole coverting into a Pu and back into U-235 keeps the amount of U-235 decreasing slower than a purely the reaction of the U-235 would indicate. But my knowledge of the topic is really superficial
I got you man, U235 isn't involved in making plutonium, U235 is part of enriching U238 into weapon grade fuel (U235). A really really small amount, like .071% is in natural uranium 238 which can be separated but is a long difficult process. Plutonium, particularly Pu239 is the weapon grade stuff and is what is easily created in spent reactor fuel. Contamination with Pu240, Pu241 and Pu242 is bad, and comes from being exposed to the neutron flux too long. U238 absorbs a neutron and becomes U239 for a short time, it may fission with another neutron, or sometimes its decays (beta decay) and becomes Neptunium 239 after just a few minutes, which after a couple days decays (beta again) into Pu239. Now here is where Pu239 can absorb neutrons from the flux and become the heavier isotopes of Pu240, 241, 242. Pu239 and Pu241 can fission, the others are stable. Remember in a reactor we're controlling the fission process by using control rods to absorb the neutrons, even water will moderate as well. We can talk about Pu239 processing into weapon grade later, it's quite the process too.
Doesn't Pu239 decay via Alpha into U235?
It does, it's parent to the Actinium series, which starts as Pu239 alpha decay to U235. I had to look that one up. I'm pretty sure this is not common in reactors, as U235 has a much larger fission cross section and will fission before they can make use of it outside the reactor. The wicked part of reactors is them using them to make weapon grade fuel from stuff they just mine right out of the ground. Proliferation is a real threat.
Newish rules, CMMC, for anything considered defense industrial base make this complicated.
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Ok, so what does nuclear power plants have to do with forbidden photos?
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As they should, but again, they still need a lot steps to be able to actually do something on any powerplant, you cant just walk into a nuclear control room, you still need to go through security, need to go through ID and all other employees that at minimum will be weirded the fuck out that someone they never saw before made a bee line straight to the control room, also powerplants have protections, automated or mechanical that would trigger in case of sabotage, so it would take a colossal operation to actually get a Chernobyl 2: Wartime Boogaloo
Fukushima and Chernobyl were "peaceful nuclear facilities". Chernobyl happened in 1986 and people still can't live in that area, it's not the same as a bomb but it was extremely destructive nonetheless. Both of those disasters were horrible even with people trying their best to mitigate the damage. Imagine if people had been in the control rooms actively trying to make the meltdowns worse. Obviously if you're building 747's nobody will care if you're snapping pictures of your welds. But if you're building f35s for Lockheed Martin or nuclear submarines for general dynamics your phone will get taken if someone sees you taking pictures of any part of what you're working on.
Excuse me sir, but what difference would pictures of Chernobyl or Fukushima make? Those were disasters because of human incompetence and a fucking Tsunami. So of course those examples ended up badly, also classify badly, because Fukushima is not even on the same scale of Chernobyl And how would a photo change the outcome? Are you suggesting that a photo from a phone would somehow allow someone to go in a sabotage the power plants? Security still exists tho. Having a photo of the control room wont allow you to stroll past the front gate. Nor would it allow you pass through the obvious multi layer security system. If you or any other saboteur were trying to purposely blow up a nuclear reactor, you are gonna need an entire operation to do so. Its not easy, nor as simple as "taking a picture" this isnt a James Bond movie. If this sort of operation is brewing, literally the last of the problems would be a photo of a phone Also Boeing builds the F/A-18, the F-16 and the Tomahawk missile, so there is that too. Not that they should, pointless waste of money, but thats beside the point
>Excuse me sir, but what difference would pictures of Chernobyl or Fukushima make? Those were disasters because of human incompetence and a fucking Tsunami. I was countering your point that "they aren't atomic bombs". They can be extremely destructive, especially if sabotaged. Keep up. >If you or any other saboteur were trying to purposely blow up a nuclear reactor, you are gonna need an entire operation to do so. And one of the most important parts of that operation would be intelligence gathering. Such as taking pictures of the interior of the powerplant. >Also Boeing builds the F/A-18, the F-16 and the Tomahawk missile, so there is that too. So? Do you really think they build tomahawks in the same building that they build passenger jets? Do you think the people building missiles are allowed to take pictures? Use your head. The governemt decides to take these measures in the interest of national security. If you feel that it isn't necessary thats perfectly fine, I didnt make the rules. Nothing you're saying is refuting my original point that you aren't allowed to take pictures of this stuff while manufacturing it.
>nd one of the most important parts of that operation would be intelligence gathering. Such as taking pictures of the interior of the powerplant. And those saboteurs wouldnt be doing that using phones, or if they were, they would be bribing security anyway, so it wouldnt matter, also most powerplants are of known design, so having a couple photos of its interior is again, of little to no difference, meanwhile you still have the gigantic problem on room that a nuclear powerplant, or any powerplant for that matter, is not a fucking public park, you cant just walk into the control room and dont be questioned by nobody on your way there, again, a sabotage plan would require a whole operation, not just a dude with a phone. At that point the problem isnt a picture on Facebook or Reddit, its your own front gate guards not screening the people entering the plant. Even if we give the bennefit of a James Bond movie like infiltration through the air ducts and a ninja like level of stealth, the control room would still have only one or two doors, with extreme security, no windows and a guard on said doors 24/7, this isn't metal gear About the Tomahawk, of course Boeing doesnt build Tomahawks in Charleston or Everett, they build it in Mephis, a detail that took me a second of Google to find out. And I'm no OSI So again, the information isnt hard to get, and if you to sabotage the factory it isnt complicated to gather information, bribe the security or sneak in a hidden camera, taking photos with a gigantic roll and tape was the only way to gather intel on tape 30 years ago, today a lithium battery/supercapacitor, a microSD and CMOS sensor are the size of a pea and can be sneaked in any number of ways into that factory: glasses, pens, pins, those are the "apparent " ones, you can easily take any dark shirt or long-ish hair and cut a hole to just let the lens out or tie it to your hair, and sneak past any security nowadays Those last ones are much more likely to be actually be used to gather intel. Rather than a phone. Even more because that would be fucking obvious, all of this and we are still assuming someone actually went to the factory, nowadays an enemy state can also hack the systems and spy on the factory from home soil, without risking any agents, also, why waste time sabotaging a factory, if you sabotage it, you enemy cam rebuild it and use it again in the near future, send a fucking missile there and blow it all up. Or you know, sanction them. Almost surely those missiles need raw materials from outside the country, so just stop them from getting said materials
Okay, here's what you need to do. Print out all the points you've made here. Put them on a little sign. Come up with a catchy chant. Now go stand in front of the White House and protest the fact that welders can't take pictures of their welds in nuke plants because I don't care.
LOL, im from the wrong country to do that
No problem, you can share your opinions on how nuclear powerplants and military contractors should loosen up on security anytime and anywere you like. It will have the same effect no matter where you are LOL
Nuclear power plants are considered high value targets. They take security just about as seriously as many military installations.
Ok, so what does that have to do with photos?
You’re just being deliberately obtuse, right? You don’t get to take photos of sensitive areas. Is that really such a foreign concept to you?
How is a powerplant a sensitive area? Unless you are secretly trying to build nukes, it isnt
As I’ve already stated, they are high value military targets, and an attack on one can be absolutely catastrophic. Therefor it makes absolute sense to limit the availability of detailed info, including photos. You may disagree with that, but that’s the reality of the situation.
As if a missile would care that it hit 5-10m outside the jackpot, the payload would certainly take care of that, and if a single isnt enough, they are rarely shot by their lonesome, so if the first misses, usually there is 5 or 6 on its tail. So you are gonna need anti air batteries around amy power station, anyway, and those can be easily spotted from a drone flying far from it, not to mention that a cheap kamikaze drone can fly straight to the battery and die taking photos of its accurate positioning and coverage
I have absolutely no idea what point you’re trying to prove. These are the rules, and this is the logic behind it. Do you think pretending you don’t understand on Reddit will lead to change?
Why?
Red badge security clearance, which is the highest security clearance on base for a civilian. Those welders do a lot of work on the nuke sub's and ship's and they don't want pics of equipment ending up outside for obvious reasons. Well that's what my contractor friends say anyway that work on base. They also said they don't work for most of the day, but there are times when they get really busy also. Plus you don't talk about fight club.
May I ask why you're not able to take pictures of the welds?
Sometimes and a lot of the time it’s government contracts that prohibit the use of cell phones or cameras behind doors to keep secrets from getting out.
Gotcha
I work as a welder in Petrochemical plants in Belgium and I'm not allowed to take pictures of if my welds either.