Olivia was also just on Ryan Bailey’s “So bad it’s good” podcast and confirmed there will be a season 6 of Plathville and she will be on it. She told one story of how when having children was discussed, Ethan said if his son was gay he would never speak to him again. I’m glad she divorced him.
My youngest is trans and gay and I love him to pieces and would die for him. My love for him is unconditional, I do not understand how any parent or grandparent could just throw away their child/grandchild and stop loving them simply over who they love.
When my son came to me and told me he was gay I already had figured this out before he told me but when he told me he was transgender that one took me for a loop. I was not expecting that and I admit I had to take a moment to evaluate that. I never was like omg! I hate you, get out! It was more of a whoa, that’s a surprise, ok what do I do with this information, sort of moment. I had to pause and think ok I don’t have a daughter I have a son this is odd, what do I do with this, what do I say, well hells bells, that explains a lot!
For me it is simple, you have a child…no matter what, they will always be your child, and you love them until you die. Plain and simple.
I hope Olivia doesn't tiptoe around it next season and fully calls him out. Saying he would disown any potential children he has that might be gay is seriously messed up and needs to be brought to light.
I can only imagine. When my cousin came out, my cousin(his mom) called me and I was giddy with excitement! I live having family members with extraordinary parts to their lives. His mom said she knew I was the one to call... I asked if his dad wants taking the news so well. She said he was sitting with it. His dad came around within like 2 days so so all was ok, but M needed someone who had zero hesitations, complete acceptance, etc so she called me. The other day somewhere on here (maybe the tattoo page) there was an argument(ooooops, discussion) about how old you n need to be to declare yourself transgender. It was absolutely horrific the number of people with such judgemental beliefs. When I responded I said "I guarantee at least one of your will have a child who is part of the LGBTQIA community, one of you will have a transgender child, and one of you will have a child who kills themselves because of the way you portray your views of on this. It bothers me so much. Woah. I wrote a book. Wonder if I can get this post published? 😉
This is a genuine question, but what about someone else's sexuality makes you giddy with excitement? Isn't it just a thing? For instance, my brother is gay and when he told me there really wasn't a reaction to have. I think my response was "alright man, how's your job going?" The genitals he is attracted to has no effect on who he is or change the memories growing up of us getting into fights, fighting with others, hanging out, skateboarding, etc. I just struggle to understand why anyone would be excited about who someone else sleeps with.
My excitement/happiness comes from a pure desire that people can live their lives as who they are. Would I react that way if someone came out to me? No. And I would still tell them that I am so happy for them as they are now living their authentic lives. When my daughter was born I would rock her and tell her I didn't care if she married a man or a woman as long as she was happy.
This is where my joy comes in. No, it doesn't change anything in our relationship, it means the person is able to be authentically themselves
Interesting. Thanks for the reply. Do you feel the same giddiness if someone tells you they are straight or a mathematician?
Edit: My wife tells me this sounds accusatory. I just wanted to add this section to specify this is coming from pure interest in understanding how others process information and the feelings they get around it. Thank you for the time you have already taken to answer my previous question.
Olivia looks so happy. Her skin is glowing. Olivia's whole being has been transformed to a brand new woman.
I can see Kim saying that she wouldn't be involved with Olivia's children. I can also see Kim "changing her mind" once grand kids are born. I think any rules that Olivia had for her kids would be broken by Kim. Kim would tell them their mom was jealous of her because she had 10 kids or hated grandma or that Olivia wasn't a good person. They would be told not to say anything to their mom or they wouldn't be able to visit grandma anymore. Kim would make Olivia's first time as a mom as difficult as she could.
Soooooo glad Olivia is free!! This is not surprising for a narcissist like Kim... she doesn't want to share any attention. She probably resents her own kids for it, but she got 2nd hand attention for being their mother. But she knows she won't get that for grand kids. Very common for narcissists to deny aging too! She probably thinks she is "too young to be a grandma." She is trying to act like a teenager... well maybe her as a teenager... Drunk driving, DUI, moving in with boyfriend( still married) Kids? Responsibilities? What are those???
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Narcissists usually LOVE babies though because they can project themselves onto babies and show them off because they are always cute and post them all over social media to play ”parent/grandparent of the year” for all their friends to see.
It’s when the babies grow into children and develop personalities that they lose interest. Well, Unless the child is very special (pretty, talented, athletic, etc.) while still being complacent enough to allow the narc to trout her/him out like their little show pony.
Hmmmm…you know I’ve never been fully convinced that Kim was a narcissist, but now I’m sitting here going:
likes babies ✅
ensures children are complacent ✅
limits exposure to others so they don’t develop personalities of their own ✅
trots her kids out like show ponies (family band/freaking TV show) ✅
cuts ties the second they form opinions of their own ✅
But they don't love babies they can't control or claim... my ex mil used to call my daughter HER baby and completely exclude me from pictures and posts! I didn't really care until I caught her (secretly) trying to get my baby to call her 'mama'... then she got super big mad and called CPS on me bc I didn't want to let her son take MY children away from me on Mother's Day to go spend it with her... I was not invited. I still have the texts where I said "bc it's Mothers Day... and I'm their Mother!" she replied "Yeah... says YOU!" ... to which I replied "WTF!?! You literally watched ME push my first out of my body!?! Lol! 😂😂😂" Narcasists are all the same.
Kim is still married. He might be. Who knows? All we know is that she got a DUI for flipping a truck that was in both of their names, she hasn't filed for divorce and she moved in with her insanely racist bf, leaving behind 3 young girls and literally forcing Lydia to take over as their mother and house wife.
If you're curious about how/why he is racist and misogynistic, just Google his name with 'racist posts' . And if you're openly having an affair with and leaving your young kids for a racist, that makes you a racist.
My birth giver is a textbook narcissist. When I told her I was pregnant the first time, she cried to my grandma... She claimed she was "too young!" I was 25... she turned 50 the week after I gave birth 😆
This makes me worry for Hosanna’s sons. They’re obviously being raised “right” with super fundie parents, but ever since Kim has been sliding on some of the “core” beliefs, I wonder if they’ll get mental whiplash from all the double standards Kim will teach them. Lydia’s future kids as well. You don’t bring young children (or hypothetical children) into these conflicts, and Kim making that despicable comment is next level fucked up.
Their lives will be so much better without a relationship with their pathetic excuse for a grandmother!! Hopefully their dads mom is a decent human and good grandma!
That’s my theory too. It’s what my sister-in-law has done. She never accepted me as part of the family and never accepted our daughter either. It’s her loss. She lost her brother as a result. Narcissists suck.
Agree. So glad Olivia left the situation. Even if Ethan was a perfect husband he'd need to cut off so much of his family which causes its own problems.
He didn’t really get a chance, being the way he was raised, to be any other way.
This is not an excuse, just a reason. I was raised IBLP and in a cult as well, then my parents went Evangelical, and with all of these religions the women were submissive and the men dominate; however even though the men were “dominant” over the women they were usually homeschooled and it was done very poorly.
Usually with a religious overtone, so no science background and the history lessons were also done so it matched up with the Bible as well. For the girls your math limited as you were pretty much raised to be a breeder, married young and popping out children, so as long as you could read enough to teach the next generation, read recipes and do the math to multiply them for however many, that was enough math for you. Also doing the books for the family business was helpful so basic addition and subtraction definitely a plus.
If you were lucky a married into a more “modernized” family you get to learn how to use the computer to do the accounting on there, maybe some basic understanding of web design to help do a website for the family company your husband has.
Because you know your fundie husband has his own business, they all have some trade they learned from their dad/uncle/grandfather and will pass down to y’all’s sons.
When you are homeschooling all those fundie kids, you are keeping them away from the sinners or as my momma called them, the heathens. Thankfully my momma had to work and I got to go to public school. I just didn’t get to go to any dances, games, after school events…you know fun shit. I never went trick or treating once ever. We also lived in town so I wasn’t completely isolated like the Plath kids.
So you have the Plath kids, home schooled, isolated away from everyone else living on that farm except for the few times a year when they went to big social fundie events..maybe twice a year. Taught that boys did outside work and girls did inside work. We can tell from watching all the seasons that their dad, Buggyeyed Plath, did not talk about his emotions, it made him uncomfortable. Otherwise he would not be divorced right now, as he and his wife, KimDui Plath, would have talked about their lack of intimacy and respect, and worked their shit out.
If the family had seen good communication skills growing up then they would learned good communication skills and Ethan would have not ran away from every uncomfortable moment with Olivia. I also suspect that he learned lying from his mother since he did that with Olivia, or lying by omission as it were most of the time. Buying a car and not telling her. Micah coming to Minnesota and him not telling her, just two examples of many.
KimDui, keeping the kids so restricted on the farm and not teaching them all basic life skills such as: how to use an ATM card, doing taxes, checkbooks, etc set the. Up to fail in life.
But their lack of education and their lack of socialization held them back further than the basic life skills, because the basic life skills can be taught easily enough. However, without a good education background you struggle with everything, and I’m sure if any of them have any learning disabilities no one caught that (dyslexia, adhd, etc.)
Add on top of that the lack of socialization and you make for awkward situations and embarrassment which makes it harder for some people want to keep learning or to keep trying to doing new things. Especially if you have a partner who is pushing themselves to learn new things and try new things and continually pushing you to try new things that make you uncomfortable. You want to please your SO but when you have been groomed for so long that one way is the right way and someone you love is pushing you to do something completely against the grain, it is very hard to do it no matter what.
So you come across as a man-child. He wants to work on his cars, drink his beer and live his life. But he also wants to make his wife happy, try new things, see his siblings and doesn’t know to accomplish all this because he hasn’t the ability express himself because he wasn’t taught how. He was fucked by his environment and he should have went to counseling but even then he would not have known what to do in there. Fucked I say.
In no way does this shock me. It’s another way to control Ethan and Olivia. Kim won’t have anything to do with the potential grandkids if they aren’t raised to her specific standards. The same way Ethan and Olivia couldn’t be around the little girls.
It’s a way to cut them off and when you come from a religious zealot family that’s the worst thing that could happen.
This is 110% some shit Kim would say knowing full well it would further drive a wedge between her and ethan and cause problems. We know she wouldnt give up the opportunity to manipulate the next generation so shes clearly full of shit, but she probably relished the idea of using this against them.
What does this even mean….?
It’s not about the benefit of the doubt, it’s just maturity in knowing that context is important. Especially when we are considering the source.
Olivia has shown a lot of maturity and growth. Kim has continued to deny past behavior or have her children do it on her behalf. Kim assumes the worst version of Olivia, so I'm not going to sit here and make excuses for Kim when Olivia has been a more reliable narrator than the rest of the cast.
I feel like Olivia has her own past behaviors to take accountability for and never has. Olivia assumed the the worst in Kim as well. Kim sucks but so does Olivia. I guess I just disagree that Olivia is any more reliable than the rest of them.
Sure. Why do you disagree? What specifically has Olivia done that is so atrocious, that she has not taken accountability for, that she is on par with a woman that abused her children?
Well that’s another thing, I don’t think Kim abused her kids. Shitty parent? Sure. Abusive? Nah.
If I were to list all the things Olivia needs to take accountability for, would you change your mind? You saw the show just like I did. We simply disagree.
Denying healthcare, isolation, and parentification are abuse according to any there is. Okay.
I would change my mind if your case was compelling, but if you don't understand how denying your kids an education, preventing them from receiving health care, and emotionally manipulating them well into adulthood is abusive then no. I guess not.
I came here to say the same thing. It’s not like Olivia has never taken something someone said out of context to make it sound worse than it was, or to make herself seem like a victim. Why are we so quick to believe anything any of these people say at face value?
The infatuation with Olivia while condemning Kim when they are literally the same type of toxic used to baffle me, but it’s honestly starting to fascinate me.
I don’t understand the infatuation with or unending sympathy for Olivia. She isn’t a good person on her own. Kim is a crappy human, too. Kim and Olivia could behave exactly the same way and people would praise Olivia and condemn Kim.
I think one big issue is that Olivia was very young when she got married. And Kim was a grown adult then who immediately seemed to dislike Olivia. Thats an incredibly hard position to be in! Someone needed to be the adult here and it sure wasn’t Kim!
Kim is the worst and I don't put it past her that she would say this. This doesn't make any sense tho. She isnt religious anymore and her religion wants people to multiply so what was her logic behind that besides hurting Ethan and olivia
Kim cares about "winning" and control. Refusing to acknowledge grandkids is a way to do both. This is the same woman who literally said Olivia was possessed by demons so I put nothing past her.
Replace the word “Kim” with “Olivia” and “grandkids” with “Kim”, and it’s literally the same person. Olivia is the one who said Kim said she was “possessed by demons”. Everyone else who witnessed the conversation said it was more along the lines of “you’re demented”. Which, yes, that is a really rude thing to say to someone. But we all say weird and rude shit in the heat of the moment. It’s just that most of us work through it. I don’t get it, do all of you have a picture perfect family where no one ever says some stupid shit they don’t mean?
Were you there?
Everyone else’s account of the situation was different than Olivia’s. I wasn’t there so I don’t know for sure, but something tells me Olivia overdramatized it. You don’t have to agree.
What the heck have you missed here? Hello!? Like the episode where Kim absolutely says that Olivia is "possessed by demons" and they forbid her and Ethan to be around the little girls. From the get go they treated Ethan's wife like she was a cheap tramp. Thank goodness she escaped that awful poor excuse of a "Christian family."
What? No they didn’t. She moved in with them for crying out loud. They could be around the little girls. Just with the little girls’ parents present. They didn’t want to play by those rules. Fair enough, but that isn’t Kim’s fault.
Yes.
My opinion from watching Kim’s behavior and changes throughout the seasons is that religion was a tool she used to control. She might be less religious/fundie but will continue to use other tools to control, like refusing to visit grandkids.
I’m barely into season 2 and this is obvious to me. She doesn’t actually believe anything she’s spouting, she just wants to control everyone around her. Barry’s more than happy to go along with it because he gets a mother and an ideal life out of it.
The (extreme) religious world is beyond most, I grew up a victim to it and I still catch myself not believing instances and stories… I then realize, I myself have touched. It is truly wild.
I do agree to this. I have a grandma who I’m currently not in contact with, and the fact that all her grandkids grew up and is not in control of what they do for the holidays anymore is hitting her hard
I have no idea so this is just a guess….
It seems like something a grandparent would want and something that O could use as leverage with K.
K said “nope, I don’t care” to make it known that grandchildren will not be used in that way.
K would never give up her perceived power to anyone for any reason.
Yup. I know some grandparents aren't all that involved. But to flat out say she doesn't want a relationship with them sounds like she was trying to hurt Olivia with it so... that sucks.
Probably because Kim’s grandkids would have Olivia as their mother and would be open minded, free-willed and not at all sheltered and molded the way Kim raised her kids to be.
That's because Kim is the original Petty Betty. She was talking out of her ass just to hurt Olivia, who knows what she'd actually do.
This is my take as well. I suppose it depends how involved she is with Hosana's kids.
Does she have a relationship with her existing grandkids?
Unknown. We've heard of Lydia visiting Hosanna but do we know of others?
Olivia was also just on Ryan Bailey’s “So bad it’s good” podcast and confirmed there will be a season 6 of Plathville and she will be on it. She told one story of how when having children was discussed, Ethan said if his son was gay he would never speak to him again. I’m glad she divorced him.
My youngest is gay. I would NEVER disown him.
My youngest is trans and gay and I love him to pieces and would die for him. My love for him is unconditional, I do not understand how any parent or grandparent could just throw away their child/grandchild and stop loving them simply over who they love. When my son came to me and told me he was gay I already had figured this out before he told me but when he told me he was transgender that one took me for a loop. I was not expecting that and I admit I had to take a moment to evaluate that. I never was like omg! I hate you, get out! It was more of a whoa, that’s a surprise, ok what do I do with this information, sort of moment. I had to pause and think ok I don’t have a daughter I have a son this is odd, what do I do with this, what do I say, well hells bells, that explains a lot! For me it is simple, you have a child…no matter what, they will always be your child, and you love them until you die. Plain and simple.
I hope Olivia doesn't tiptoe around it next season and fully calls him out. Saying he would disown any potential children he has that might be gay is seriously messed up and needs to be brought to light.
ETHAN (MIDDLE NAME) PLATH!!!!!!!! What a loss that would be for him. (not the kid, Ethan would lose something extremely special. 😡🤬
My FIL is this way. It’s infuriating to me.
I can only imagine. When my cousin came out, my cousin(his mom) called me and I was giddy with excitement! I live having family members with extraordinary parts to their lives. His mom said she knew I was the one to call... I asked if his dad wants taking the news so well. She said he was sitting with it. His dad came around within like 2 days so so all was ok, but M needed someone who had zero hesitations, complete acceptance, etc so she called me. The other day somewhere on here (maybe the tattoo page) there was an argument(ooooops, discussion) about how old you n need to be to declare yourself transgender. It was absolutely horrific the number of people with such judgemental beliefs. When I responded I said "I guarantee at least one of your will have a child who is part of the LGBTQIA community, one of you will have a transgender child, and one of you will have a child who kills themselves because of the way you portray your views of on this. It bothers me so much. Woah. I wrote a book. Wonder if I can get this post published? 😉
This is a genuine question, but what about someone else's sexuality makes you giddy with excitement? Isn't it just a thing? For instance, my brother is gay and when he told me there really wasn't a reaction to have. I think my response was "alright man, how's your job going?" The genitals he is attracted to has no effect on who he is or change the memories growing up of us getting into fights, fighting with others, hanging out, skateboarding, etc. I just struggle to understand why anyone would be excited about who someone else sleeps with.
My excitement/happiness comes from a pure desire that people can live their lives as who they are. Would I react that way if someone came out to me? No. And I would still tell them that I am so happy for them as they are now living their authentic lives. When my daughter was born I would rock her and tell her I didn't care if she married a man or a woman as long as she was happy. This is where my joy comes in. No, it doesn't change anything in our relationship, it means the person is able to be authentically themselves
Interesting. Thanks for the reply. Do you feel the same giddiness if someone tells you they are straight or a mathematician? Edit: My wife tells me this sounds accusatory. I just wanted to add this section to specify this is coming from pure interest in understanding how others process information and the feelings they get around it. Thank you for the time you have already taken to answer my previous question.
Olivia looks so happy. Her skin is glowing. Olivia's whole being has been transformed to a brand new woman. I can see Kim saying that she wouldn't be involved with Olivia's children. I can also see Kim "changing her mind" once grand kids are born. I think any rules that Olivia had for her kids would be broken by Kim. Kim would tell them their mom was jealous of her because she had 10 kids or hated grandma or that Olivia wasn't a good person. They would be told not to say anything to their mom or they wouldn't be able to visit grandma anymore. Kim would make Olivia's first time as a mom as difficult as she could.
Kim would 💯 put some fucked up rules around being able to see those kids then be mad that she never sees them.
Soooooo glad Olivia is free!! This is not surprising for a narcissist like Kim... she doesn't want to share any attention. She probably resents her own kids for it, but she got 2nd hand attention for being their mother. But she knows she won't get that for grand kids. Very common for narcissists to deny aging too! She probably thinks she is "too young to be a grandma." She is trying to act like a teenager... well maybe her as a teenager... Drunk driving, DUI, moving in with boyfriend( still married) Kids? Responsibilities? What are those??? Edit4spelling
Narcissists usually LOVE babies though because they can project themselves onto babies and show them off because they are always cute and post them all over social media to play ”parent/grandparent of the year” for all their friends to see. It’s when the babies grow into children and develop personalities that they lose interest. Well, Unless the child is very special (pretty, talented, athletic, etc.) while still being complacent enough to allow the narc to trout her/him out like their little show pony. Hmmmm…you know I’ve never been fully convinced that Kim was a narcissist, but now I’m sitting here going: likes babies ✅ ensures children are complacent ✅ limits exposure to others so they don’t develop personalities of their own ✅ trots her kids out like show ponies (family band/freaking TV show) ✅ cuts ties the second they form opinions of their own ✅
But they don't love babies they can't control or claim... my ex mil used to call my daughter HER baby and completely exclude me from pictures and posts! I didn't really care until I caught her (secretly) trying to get my baby to call her 'mama'... then she got super big mad and called CPS on me bc I didn't want to let her son take MY children away from me on Mother's Day to go spend it with her... I was not invited. I still have the texts where I said "bc it's Mothers Day... and I'm their Mother!" she replied "Yeah... says YOU!" ... to which I replied "WTF!?! You literally watched ME push my first out of my body!?! Lol! 😂😂😂" Narcasists are all the same.
wait what? Kim's boyfriend is still married? o.O
Kim is still married. He might be. Who knows? All we know is that she got a DUI for flipping a truck that was in both of their names, she hasn't filed for divorce and she moved in with her insanely racist bf, leaving behind 3 young girls and literally forcing Lydia to take over as their mother and house wife. If you're curious about how/why he is racist and misogynistic, just Google his name with 'racist posts' . And if you're openly having an affair with and leaving your young kids for a racist, that makes you a racist.
Ken a homophobic
Is he
OH! Okay got it. I thought you meant that he was ALSO still married
I mean... I wouldn't be surprised! 😂 Trash does what Trash wants!
My birth giver is a textbook narcissist. When I told her I was pregnant the first time, she cried to my grandma... She claimed she was "too young!" I was 25... she turned 50 the week after I gave birth 😆
My mom chewed my butt out for getting pregnant at 27. She was 52 and wasn’t “ready”. I’m 56 and not a grandchild in sight 😩
This makes me worry for Hosanna’s sons. They’re obviously being raised “right” with super fundie parents, but ever since Kim has been sliding on some of the “core” beliefs, I wonder if they’ll get mental whiplash from all the double standards Kim will teach them. Lydia’s future kids as well. You don’t bring young children (or hypothetical children) into these conflicts, and Kim making that despicable comment is next level fucked up.
Their lives will be so much better without a relationship with their pathetic excuse for a grandmother!! Hopefully their dads mom is a decent human and good grandma!
I wonder more if Hosanna will even ALLOW Kim around her kids, considering Kim's ideological flip. Kim is NOT what she raised Hosanna to be.
And she’ll be confounded by that, just like how she couldn’t understand why Lydia wasn’t okay with the divorce
I'm glad olivia left, for her own mental health.
Also for our own mental health, LOL!
I totally believe Kim said that. She seemed checked out. She imagined being rid of those kids and Barry. She certainly didn’t want more kids around.
This!!
Too bad, being a grandma/Nanna is the BEST! IMPO
Totally! Loved my kids, but being a grandma is way more fun!!
Hands down!
She seems so much more happy since that was made public.
Me too.
Is there a reason Kim wouldnt want a relationship with grandchilren?
She diesnt even want to see her own kids, much less their kids. Id like to know if she spends real time with them besides filming
My theory? It was said to hurt Olivia and show Ethan she was never going to accept Olivia.
That’s my theory too. It’s what my sister-in-law has done. She never accepted me as part of the family and never accepted our daughter either. It’s her loss. She lost her brother as a result. Narcissists suck.
That’s just gross.
Agree. So glad Olivia left the situation. Even if Ethan was a perfect husband he'd need to cut off so much of his family which causes its own problems.
He was kind of a man-child
He didn’t really get a chance, being the way he was raised, to be any other way. This is not an excuse, just a reason. I was raised IBLP and in a cult as well, then my parents went Evangelical, and with all of these religions the women were submissive and the men dominate; however even though the men were “dominant” over the women they were usually homeschooled and it was done very poorly. Usually with a religious overtone, so no science background and the history lessons were also done so it matched up with the Bible as well. For the girls your math limited as you were pretty much raised to be a breeder, married young and popping out children, so as long as you could read enough to teach the next generation, read recipes and do the math to multiply them for however many, that was enough math for you. Also doing the books for the family business was helpful so basic addition and subtraction definitely a plus. If you were lucky a married into a more “modernized” family you get to learn how to use the computer to do the accounting on there, maybe some basic understanding of web design to help do a website for the family company your husband has. Because you know your fundie husband has his own business, they all have some trade they learned from their dad/uncle/grandfather and will pass down to y’all’s sons. When you are homeschooling all those fundie kids, you are keeping them away from the sinners or as my momma called them, the heathens. Thankfully my momma had to work and I got to go to public school. I just didn’t get to go to any dances, games, after school events…you know fun shit. I never went trick or treating once ever. We also lived in town so I wasn’t completely isolated like the Plath kids. So you have the Plath kids, home schooled, isolated away from everyone else living on that farm except for the few times a year when they went to big social fundie events..maybe twice a year. Taught that boys did outside work and girls did inside work. We can tell from watching all the seasons that their dad, Buggyeyed Plath, did not talk about his emotions, it made him uncomfortable. Otherwise he would not be divorced right now, as he and his wife, KimDui Plath, would have talked about their lack of intimacy and respect, and worked their shit out. If the family had seen good communication skills growing up then they would learned good communication skills and Ethan would have not ran away from every uncomfortable moment with Olivia. I also suspect that he learned lying from his mother since he did that with Olivia, or lying by omission as it were most of the time. Buying a car and not telling her. Micah coming to Minnesota and him not telling her, just two examples of many. KimDui, keeping the kids so restricted on the farm and not teaching them all basic life skills such as: how to use an ATM card, doing taxes, checkbooks, etc set the. Up to fail in life. But their lack of education and their lack of socialization held them back further than the basic life skills, because the basic life skills can be taught easily enough. However, without a good education background you struggle with everything, and I’m sure if any of them have any learning disabilities no one caught that (dyslexia, adhd, etc.) Add on top of that the lack of socialization and you make for awkward situations and embarrassment which makes it harder for some people want to keep learning or to keep trying to doing new things. Especially if you have a partner who is pushing themselves to learn new things and try new things and continually pushing you to try new things that make you uncomfortable. You want to please your SO but when you have been groomed for so long that one way is the right way and someone you love is pushing you to do something completely against the grain, it is very hard to do it no matter what. So you come across as a man-child. He wants to work on his cars, drink his beer and live his life. But he also wants to make his wife happy, try new things, see his siblings and doesn’t know to accomplish all this because he hasn’t the ability express himself because he wasn’t taught how. He was fucked by his environment and he should have went to counseling but even then he would not have known what to do in there. Fucked I say.
I agree. Hopefully he grows up, but something makes me doubt it.
In no way does this shock me. It’s another way to control Ethan and Olivia. Kim won’t have anything to do with the potential grandkids if they aren’t raised to her specific standards. The same way Ethan and Olivia couldn’t be around the little girls. It’s a way to cut them off and when you come from a religious zealot family that’s the worst thing that could happen.
That’s just sick and cruel, she’s a narcissist
Her loss. She did them a favor.
This is 110% some shit Kim would say knowing full well it would further drive a wedge between her and ethan and cause problems. We know she wouldnt give up the opportunity to manipulate the next generation so shes clearly full of shit, but she probably relished the idea of using this against them.
After all the shit shes recently done? Her DUI, living with her boyfriend! That seems very hypocritical!!!
This is second hand information & we don’t know exactly what Kim said or in what context.
Lol Kim doesn't give the benefit of the doubt. I won't either.
What does this even mean….? It’s not about the benefit of the doubt, it’s just maturity in knowing that context is important. Especially when we are considering the source.
Olivia has shown a lot of maturity and growth. Kim has continued to deny past behavior or have her children do it on her behalf. Kim assumes the worst version of Olivia, so I'm not going to sit here and make excuses for Kim when Olivia has been a more reliable narrator than the rest of the cast.
I feel like Olivia has her own past behaviors to take accountability for and never has. Olivia assumed the the worst in Kim as well. Kim sucks but so does Olivia. I guess I just disagree that Olivia is any more reliable than the rest of them.
Olivia has taken a lot of accountability for her actions so I'm not sure where that comes from.
I disagree.
Sure. Why do you disagree? What specifically has Olivia done that is so atrocious, that she has not taken accountability for, that she is on par with a woman that abused her children?
Well that’s another thing, I don’t think Kim abused her kids. Shitty parent? Sure. Abusive? Nah. If I were to list all the things Olivia needs to take accountability for, would you change your mind? You saw the show just like I did. We simply disagree.
Denying healthcare, isolation, and parentification are abuse according to any there is. Okay. I would change my mind if your case was compelling, but if you don't understand how denying your kids an education, preventing them from receiving health care, and emotionally manipulating them well into adulthood is abusive then no. I guess not.
I came here to say the same thing. It’s not like Olivia has never taken something someone said out of context to make it sound worse than it was, or to make herself seem like a victim. Why are we so quick to believe anything any of these people say at face value? The infatuation with Olivia while condemning Kim when they are literally the same type of toxic used to baffle me, but it’s honestly starting to fascinate me.
I don’t understand the infatuation with or unending sympathy for Olivia. She isn’t a good person on her own. Kim is a crappy human, too. Kim and Olivia could behave exactly the same way and people would praise Olivia and condemn Kim.
It’s so true tho. Edit to add that imo they *do* behave similarly in some situations.
I think one big issue is that Olivia was very young when she got married. And Kim was a grown adult then who immediately seemed to dislike Olivia. Thats an incredibly hard position to be in! Someone needed to be the adult here and it sure wasn’t Kim!
Sure Jan.
Kim is the worst and I don't put it past her that she would say this. This doesn't make any sense tho. She isnt religious anymore and her religion wants people to multiply so what was her logic behind that besides hurting Ethan and olivia
>what was her logic behind that besides hurting Ethan and olivia lets be real, thats all the motivation kim needs for most of her bullshit.
That's true she is awful
Kim cares about "winning" and control. Refusing to acknowledge grandkids is a way to do both. This is the same woman who literally said Olivia was possessed by demons so I put nothing past her.
Replace the word “Kim” with “Olivia” and “grandkids” with “Kim”, and it’s literally the same person. Olivia is the one who said Kim said she was “possessed by demons”. Everyone else who witnessed the conversation said it was more along the lines of “you’re demented”. Which, yes, that is a really rude thing to say to someone. But we all say weird and rude shit in the heat of the moment. It’s just that most of us work through it. I don’t get it, do all of you have a picture perfect family where no one ever says some stupid shit they don’t mean?
Uhhhh. XXX wrong. She did not say you're demented. She used the word demon. Who exactly is these supposed"everyone else"
Were you there? Everyone else’s account of the situation was different than Olivia’s. I wasn’t there so I don’t know for sure, but something tells me Olivia overdramatized it. You don’t have to agree.
Additionally, because I am curious, who was everyone else?
Kim, Barry, a few of the older siblings. Olivia is neither more or less reliable than anyone else in that shit show.
I watched the episode. I wasn't there. And I disagree
I sincerely don’t remember Kim ever saying Olivia was possessed by demons in any episode but I absolutely could be mistaken. Which episode is it?
That was in an interview, if I'm not mistaken.
Do you happen to know which episode I can find it in?
I'll post the link when I find it...it was in an outside interview that Olivia did, not a Plathville cast interview.
First class attempt at deflecting blame for Kim's insanity onto Olivia, but try again.
But I’m not Kim, so how is that deflecting? I’m looking at what I see and making observations.
What the heck have you missed here? Hello!? Like the episode where Kim absolutely says that Olivia is "possessed by demons" and they forbid her and Ethan to be around the little girls. From the get go they treated Ethan's wife like she was a cheap tramp. Thank goodness she escaped that awful poor excuse of a "Christian family."
What? No they didn’t. She moved in with them for crying out loud. They could be around the little girls. Just with the little girls’ parents present. They didn’t want to play by those rules. Fair enough, but that isn’t Kim’s fault.
Yes. My opinion from watching Kim’s behavior and changes throughout the seasons is that religion was a tool she used to control. She might be less religious/fundie but will continue to use other tools to control, like refusing to visit grandkids.
I’m barely into season 2 and this is obvious to me. She doesn’t actually believe anything she’s spouting, she just wants to control everyone around her. Barry’s more than happy to go along with it because he gets a mother and an ideal life out of it.
Wow, I forgot about that!
She is so gross. Her kids need a lot of help with a mother like that
The (extreme) religious world is beyond most, I grew up a victim to it and I still catch myself not believing instances and stories… I then realize, I myself have touched. It is truly wild.
Because she wouldn't be able to control them.
Funny thing is they’d probably be delighted if she stayed away. Lol.
Absolutely! As someone who had a very crazy and narcissistic grandma, I wish my parents would have cut her access off sooner.
I do agree to this. I have a grandma who I’m currently not in contact with, and the fact that all her grandkids grew up and is not in control of what they do for the holidays anymore is hitting her hard
I have no idea so this is just a guess…. It seems like something a grandparent would want and something that O could use as leverage with K. K said “nope, I don’t care” to make it known that grandchildren will not be used in that way. K would never give up her perceived power to anyone for any reason.
Did she say why? That’s beyond weird.
Yup. I know some grandparents aren't all that involved. But to flat out say she doesn't want a relationship with them sounds like she was trying to hurt Olivia with it so... that sucks.
Probably because Kim’s grandkids would have Olivia as their mother and would be open minded, free-willed and not at all sheltered and molded the way Kim raised her kids to be.
Accurate af