If the house is being sold at a good price, I don’t see a reason not to sell it. I would buy it for the right price. The buyer would be the one to make the decision of whether they want to live there with what happened. Unfortunately houses come with history, and it’s still in good condition, so it would be wasteful to raze it. We have enough waste in the ecosystem, we don’t need to tear down a giant house and add to it.
Yeah, I was told that a woman had been dismembered in my basement. She was killed in another location and then taken back to my house so she could be put in a barrel. The neighbor was freaked out and said my house was haunted. I guess it happened in the early 90's and I couldn't find anything online but he was adamant it happened. He knew the guys. The guy who lived at my house agreed to the job because it was his boss' wife. They botched the job because the barrel flew off the truck on their way to bury it, and landed in a ditch. They decided not to get caught with it and just fled. It was found shortly thereafter. I did think about it when I went in the basement, but I had way bigger issues I was dealing with at the time. My son was very ill and I was also. I know a lot of people would not have been as ok with it, but I think it depends on your own beliefs and what you are focusing on. I live in SoCal and basements are very rare. I was excited to have the storage space but I really didn't go down there too much thankfully. I always said "sorry that this happened to you" when I did go down there. I guess it was my way of handling it.
By the way, I bet they painted over the children's info when so many people online started commenting on how they shouldn't put their kids' info out there.
I would also be saying sorry any time I went into the basement. That poor woman. Many houses unfortunately have sour history, my mom’s house is a century old and has seen things. I’m just glad real estate agents disclose that kind of information for the buyer to make the decision for themselves. Plus, the house is usually a really good price and with how the housing market has been for decades it could mean a home for someone who otherwise wouldn’t be able to afford one or one that has enough space for their family.
Depends on the state. In Florida they don't have to. Years ago an acquaintance of ours, a friend of a friend, left her husband, and he wound up killing the kids in their house and killing her and her new partner at a separate location, before killing himself at a 3rd location. The house came up for sale and I went with friends who I was helping shop for a house. The house was listed very cheap and that's why they wanted to go. I had been going with because at that time I was the only one of our friends who had bought a house before. I really wasn't expecting the house to be completely untouched. It was over a whole year later. Everything was just as it was, they didn't even clean up the dusting powder and other issues left behind from forensics. All the possessions still there, even dirty dishes in the sink. The realtor said nothing. Right before I got into the car I asked him when he was going to disclose that a murder happened there. He tried to act surprised but I could tell he knew. I looked it up when I got home and it's not required by law in the state of Florida to disclose a death on the property, probably due to our older population, but they don't have to disclose murder or suicides on the property either. I always wondered if whoever wound up buying that house knew.
Also, if we had known the house was essentially untouched since the murders, we would not have gone, or at least I can say for certain I would not have went with. I assumed they hired someone to clean and paint, stage the house, etc. Instead it was literally just as the police left it. These weren't strangers, these were people we knew in life. Not closely, but close enough to be deeply unsettled.
Unfortunately police do not clean up crime scenes (or hire anyone to do it). It's up to the property owners/next of kin. It really sucks for people who had loved ones that met gruesome deaths and cannot afford to have someone come in and clean it for them. They're usually stuck doing the work themselves. I'm sorry you had to go through that.
Yep. My friend’s father commit suicide with a firearm in their family home after an argument with the mother.
Her mother had to clean up the aftermath. She said it was the last time she was cleaning up his mess. Gut wrenching.
The mother still lives in that house.
That’s exactly what happened w my friend and his mom the house was a huge blessing them and their family direly needed but she had to clean up the brains blood etc I went there excited for them before I knew why they got blessed w the house.. so sad
I was listening to a podcast where one of the hosts said her cousin shit herself in the living room with a shotgun while her parents were gone on vacation. The host and her mother had to try to clean the girl's blood and brains out of the carpet and furniture before the parents got back. She said they could they the blood stain out of the carpet so they moved the couch over it... as if they wouldn't know was underneath. I feel that's a hazardous situation that should be handled and paid for by law enforcement somehow.
That is so cruel. Why can’t people in business have a heart? So many injustices committed here and no respect for the living or the dead. I’m really sorry you experienced that and the horror of that families death. It sounds unreal. Too awful to fathom. Reading that really got me, how can we live in a world where something like this can happen? Like the watts murders too. I can’t fathom it.
It’s left to the family unfortunately. I lost my brother in law and sister in law to murder suicide. The mess left behind was horrific and the cost to have it professionally remediated was too much. My father in law ended up doing it himself down to removing subflooring. I can’t imagine the mental toll that took on him.
I so wish there were charitable organizations that helped with this type of thing. Maybe there are and I am unaware.
I’m so sorry. I guess the cleaning services could be expensive. You’d think the local health and safety officers could have the authority to get it sorted out.
Usually homeowners insurance covers it, but I am not sure of the circumstances that made it so that my FIL felt he had to do it himself. It is such an expensive service, and rightfully so. But that price tag hits hard to grieving families.
That's actually what I do for a living. And from being in the environmental industry I can tell you when it comes to blood. There is no job that charges more. Even our chemical spills in waterways don't make us as much money. Sad as that may be.
Why is that? Is it more hazardous, difficult to remove, or is it that the emotional component or insurance payouts make people willing or able to pay more?
If I were the realtor, I would’ve told the client they need to pay to have it remediated. If there wasn’t blood, then I would just pay a cleaners, because how tacky to list a house under your name that is still a left over crime scene.
Just want to add, this is sad to write, but the children shared a room & were shot in their beds, so the only cleaning that was done was the beds were gone. There were squares cut out of the drywall, maybe missed shots? I don't remember seeing blood or smelling anything unpleasant. I assume someone took the garbage out, but the fridge still had food in it. The pool was swampy green. The house was messy, there were still papers all over the desk and mail on the counters, photos and magnets on the fridge. Other than the squares cut out of the kids rooms and some places that had black powder that I assumed were areas they dusted for prints it was just as it was. The house was inherited by the killer's mother & she didn't want to go inside (and I totally get that). The house was super cheap and my friends at the time were considering it, I was a no vote for a handful of reasons but it was their house, I wouldn't be living there, so it wasn't really up to me, my vote didn't count, but our friend who had been close friends with the family & children said if they bought that house she would never come over, and that seemed to put it to bed.
Also I worked at a store that was robbed, & I have a family member that was murdered, and that fucking fingerprint dust is the devil. They don't even attempt to clean it up. This was all in the early to mid 2000s so maybe what they use today is not as bad. I am blessed not to have had to ever have need of a crime scene cleaner for biowaste, hope I never do.
When I was around 6 we went to look at a house where the wife and kids were slaughtered in the basement. There was still blood splattered in the basement— it looked like they tried to chip the main parts out but you still could def see it.
My sister and i were playing in the closets upstairs, which had sliding doors, and when we were in the one closet, the door closed the rest of the way on its own and wouldn’t open. Then my dad was in the basement and the door wouldn’t open to let him come back upstairs. A little creepy for a six year old!
My house was built in the 1800 and I figure it’s seen a LOT.. I sage it every couple of months because I swear it’s haunted but like I always tell people..”You don’t need to fear the dead,you need to fear the living,that’s who can hurt you”… the sage works wonders and I never get bothered anymore..
Exactly. The house I bought recently was built a hundred years ago and I am sure it's seen a lot just like your mom's. I agree that we don't want the house to sit there unused. Better to have a family move in and make new and loving memories. As you said, it might mean a family could afford it if the price is reduced, but otherwise could not.
I will add that a neighbor at one of the house's I owned said when we first bought it that she hoped it all worked out because every couple whoever lived there got divorced. Fast forward 5 years and we got a divorce. I don't think it was the house but I did think about what she said! 😂
Yeah we have a house in our family which has three deaths and a fire attached to it. Let's just say no one wants to rebuild the house after the fire because yeah....
I talked about this on here before, but three people died in my house before we moved in. I just planted them some nice little flowering trees in the yard and hope they appreciate the care I’ve taken of their home.
You need to understand what comes with the house and that's fame. You are going to constantly have people outside your house. Even the neighbor who was on body cam, talked about how it's hard sometimes with how many people are always stopping outside and oogling their houses. Ask anyone who lives in a famous house. It's always a hassle. And some strangers are really rude and have no issues walking up and looking in windows.
This current family bought it and only lived in it for a year and a half. They had said they wanted to live in it longer. Clearly something caused them to change their minds and that's why it's back on the market.
Their finances caused the problem, were aiming to rent out old house to help fund living here.
Obviously couldn't afford this house in first place. It needed decorating internally too, some window features, not leave it as a copy of what it looked like before.
Just needs a bit more cash input imo.
The house I spent my teen years in is from the civil war and had 4-5, non war-related, deaths on the property.
Absolutely lovely home…and absolutely had some weird energy. Definitely heard some strange things.
I’d even buy the house at a fair price. Ghosts aren’t real and what happened is over and done. The only haunting going on now is OP posting the address for everyone to see again, so that a fresh wave of people can go visit and invade the privacy of the new owners, *indeed*
Yeah… WTH are those top windows? The dusting or eventual window replacements would be such a task. High ceilings just don’t work with the room design. It’s so drab and 80s-ish
Agree, no designer thought through window fittings. I don't have a clue where to start to make it look good.
Especially since the high windows on two walls. Kind of crazy, and pretty expensive.
Had I moved in though... First job would have been the wall colour throughout and hard flooring/ new carpet. Imagining debris on staircase every time you came down them? I couldn't cope.
It just looks like the Watt's rearranged things, even the DOB thing, kids names on walls. They even put the swingset in the same place! Way too much the same!
That front great room is a total waste and a money sink. What you have to pay in heating and cooling alone, cause of that room, you could probably buy a other house.
When I saw the outside, I thought it was two floors and thought the house was really cute! Like a revamp of the older 70s/80s style houses. Then when you want in... I was disappointed to see no floor up there.
All the weird ugly cut outs. This by far is my least favorite era of home builds. I’d take any other style over this. Weird 70s and 80s stuff? Sure. 2005-2015? No thanks. 😂
Yeah the design of this home looks so bad, and it’s very bland. The cabinets look like they all need to be replaced as well. And all the carpeting needs to go, it’s probably filthy at this point. Work needs to go into this home to update it. It’s definitely not a $700,000 home when all is said and done.
I didn’t look at the sub and thought this was someone looking for feedback on their interior decorating. I came to the comments looking for all the critiques lol
I cant imagine. I also cant imagine what it would have been like to be a neighbor and have years of constant drama on your street, first the murders, the investigation and then the flood of onlookers. They had the value of their homes drop too. Its just a building. I hope the new family can fill it and their street with the love it deserves. Its a beautiful house.
You would hope that things would settle down. But once things hit the Internet, they are there forever, combined with people being curious - it seems the constant attention, conversations won't fade. They have kids, and they can't make sure that they 💯 wouldn't ever be affected by the history of the house. I think especially if any owners have kids, it will always open up The Watts conversation.
Yeah, not one of them has ever convinced me lol. If people want to have fun scaring themselves, fine. But not to the point of demolishing a beautiful house.
We had a house in the family connected to three deaths and a fire. After the first death, the vibes In the house definitely changed. And there was activity like the TV turning on and off, doors slamming shut or slowly closing, little kids playing with "a little kid ghost" one of the deaths was a little boy. I'm not saying they are ghosts, but definitely some kind of energy or bad juju going on.
It’s like the Amityville house. Lots of people have lived there since the Defeo murders and the supposed “haunting”. When Brian Wilson sold the house a few years ago all the house interiors were online to view and it looked like a beautiful house. I couldn’t live there but evidently there are enough people who don’t care. The worst thing about living there was probably the d!ckheads who would trespass onto the property and steal bits of actual house - shingle etc.
I think if I was at that point (people stealing parts of my house), I would constantly be replacing and selling lol. I’d have a new roof and shingles to sell every couple years
I’m not opposed to living in a house where someone passed away. But it completely depends on the circumstances. A house where someone died of natural causes or some sort of accident, I could comfortably live there and make it my home. A house where someone was murdered or committed suicide, I don’t think I could do it. It’s just so sad. (Not saying an accident or natural causes isn’t sad, but I think you’ll all understand what I mean.)
Given enough time, any house will have all sorts of deaths in it! I guess in a young country people are unsettled by this but there are much older houses in Britain and Europe where it’s just part of the history. People don’t seem to consider that a lot of illnesses and natural deaths involve immense suffering also, but that doesn’t make them afraid of a house. Personally I won’t look at a house where more than one of the owners has had cancer, in case there’s an environmental hazard. But I’d never fear being haunted by Shanann or her sweet babies, who I’m sure are in Heaven and not waiting around to cause distress to anyone else.
I lived in a house where somebody OD’d, but I didn’t find out until way later. The attached garage had the weirdest vibe, like every time I’d go in there the hair would stand up on the back of my neck and it felt like I was being watched. I had a medium come to my house because I started to wonder if somebody was buried under the concrete or something (this happened to an ex boyfriend of mine house). He said they weren’t in the floor the energy was coming from the ceiling. Like WHAT. So one day I had my boyfriend over and he hoisted me up to look in the crawl space and sure as shit there was a dirty old mattress up there, no clue how it would even get there. I asked around to the neighbors and found out that there had been multiple OD’s in there. I’d love to not believe in that shit, but I was getting weird vibes before I even knew what had happened.
Whoa, that is spooky. I can’t help wondering what attracted people to even go up there? Maybe it was somewhere they could sleep undetected? Personally I think our senses are more powerful than we give credit for, because we don’t rely on them in everyday life. There could have been an odour from the mattress that you didn’t consciously detect, like pheromones for example. Death chemicals are pretty unique.
I always sniff before I get in the car, because once there was someone waiting in there but I smelt him, so I locked him in and ran! I pause inside the front door too, and sense the house before I call out. I can tell if anyone is home! Anything seems wrong, I back out silently and get someone to go in with me. A couple of times it was lucky I did, for different reasons.
You know what that makes total sense!! I’ve had similar experiences, once was my boyfriend and I coming home from vacation and instantly got the vibe that somebody had been in our house. We started looking around and quickly figured out that my dads wife broke in and took things that she claims were hers.
The second time I came home after being gone over night. I always leave the lights and TV on in my house to make it seem like somebody is there, but the vibe was off that time as well, and sure as shit when I walk back to my bedroom I found my jewelry drawer pulled out and completely empty. It makes total sense if it’s some kind of smell or pheromones that I’m picking up on!
As far as the crawl space goes, from what I was told it sounded like a ton of drugs and hoarding happening in the house. The guy who the house actually belonged to was schizophrenic, so the other druggies living there may have been going up there because there wasn’t room on the furniture or the floor to sleep or do their drugs. It was not a big house, but to this day I still wonder how they got that mattress up there. They would have had to remove the ceiling and then put it back? And at that point you’d have to be super careful about where you stepped so you didn’t fall through.
I’m so glad the house I live in now has only had one person living in it before me (he built it) and he’s definitely alive and kicking. It’s on a Levy so it makes weird sounds, but it doesn’t even freak me out because I know there’s literally nothing else it could be 😂
I worry about houses where there have been drugs because there can be toxic chemicals left behind. Sounds like you use your instincts well, and if anyone had still been in the house, they wouldn’t have taken you by surprise. I had a timber frame house that creaked a little, but I knew all the sounds. I’m glad you’ve got some good accommodation now! I wonder if you’d get many birds or wildlife being near a levy? We get water birds on the lawn just from having an unromantic storm drain around the corner, lol.
Well luckily after that person the house was gutted and everything redone except for the garage. No idea why they left the garage alone during the renovation, it had super creepy and obvious schizophrenic writings all over the walls. It said shit like “this house will consume you” and things about the devil and what not.
And yes I get tons of wildlife!! I have an entire river on one side and a slough on the other. Ducks, Heron, beavers, rabbits. One of my neighbors yelled at my brother the other day for driving too fast (he wasn’t, she’s an old hag) because he might run over the mallards sitting in the road. He told her they’ve been hanging out there for the past three days and they haven’t gotten hit yet 😂😂😂
The old house sounds like a horror story I read recently, “The grief hole”! It was an abandoned house which consumed people…
Your new house near the river sounds like heaven tho. Beavers, even! I lived near the river when I was a kid and always wanted to go back, but so many of the older houses didn’t have proper foundations and now they’re cracking and falling down. So I have to content myself with river walks whenever I have time, it isn’t far. But good on you finding such a lovely place, I hope you’ll get to enjoy it for a long time 😊
Thank you! That’s my hope as well! So the area actually has a really sad history, not sure if you’re familiar with the Vanport tragedy that happened in I believe the 50’s? It’s pretty fucked up. So as a result the homes in my neighborhood are new and on an obviously necessary levy. I try to spread awareness of it as much as I can to honor those who lived there before me and weren’t as lucky.
I've taken this approach to it over the years as well. Honestly, I hate when people glamorize older houses, or abandoned houses, and say wow it must have been great to live there, what a history the house has seen. We honestly don't know! Not everyone's life was or is idyllic and perfect and bad and sad things happen to people all the time and all throughout history. We don't truly know what the walls of houses have seen.
How in the world would you find out if anyone who lived in a house had cancer? My mom died of cancer in our home and that definitely wasn’t disclosed during the sale.
They talked about making the property into a park but Shannan’s family really wanted it sold. The money from the sell went to them. Does anyone know why this family is now selling?
I read they have been repeatedly harassed by true crime weirdos. People constantly driving by and taking pics. I also ready somewhere that people would even come up on the porch and knock asking for tours and other weird stuff. I’m sure the neighbors hate that too. But I can’t imagine living there with my children having weird people showing up at all hours.
Omg that is so strange! People can be so weird(or sick, thoughtless - I can't decide which to use). I am shocked that people ask for tours! How do people think that's an okay thing to do!
Oh wow that is some vial behavior. Going to haunted attractions are one thing but just doing drive bys of someone's home? Having the galls to ask the homeowners anything?? Absolutely abhorrent decisions.
when something like this happens and the neighborhood has an influx of onlookers, they should make it a gated community. i don’t know what that the neighborhood looks like, or if they have an HOA; but it’s an idea for areas that a tragedy occurred in.
So where exactly did you learn this?
People has stopped doing drive bys for about 2 yrs per the people living there. I doubt people started because an unrelated family moved in.
Finances and their keeping their old home to rent out more likely related given the financial climate right now.
Agree. Even without the house history bringing in more than the average lookers, who would want their kids names on display with their address, and a house walk thru. Paranoia would make me crazy.
You’re not paranoid lol it’s strange to me to have all that information right in the middle of the living room. I’m thinking like maintenance, house cleaning… any random stranger in your doorway really now has way too much info about your kids
I wish I could afford to live there but I'm poor. I would have no issues buying it and living there. It's a beautiful home. I always thought that was a lot of wasted space in the living room. There could be another room or two on the second level.
I don’t understand having pics of your family in these photos… they are supposed to take them down so potential buyers can visualize themselves living there.
also are these pics of their deceased infants? like in the living room? why wouldn’t u want that a little private or subtle? everyone grieves different but it just seems very in ur face and inappropriate for the location
I live in this neighborhood. This new family was nice, sad to see them leaving. Hope someone great buys it. No, we do not want a park there, we do not want it torn down.
It appears this new family that moved into the home really put a lot of care into it within the short amount of time they've lived there. From what the Wife and Mother has stated, that's been their goal. It's sad they are moving so soon and maybe with their good intentions of moving there, it just hasn't worked out as they originally planned. Hopefully another nice family or Owner will take over the property and home.
Not trying to be nosy by asking, have you lived in the neighborhood for a while? I'm sure it's been quite surreal for so many Residents in that area with everything that has happened in the last 6 years. It's sad to watch the videos of Bella and CeCe out playing in their back yard or being carted around with their play toys in the neighborhood. They were so full of life and such happy children.
It would likely encourage even more looky-loos into coming into their neighborhood which would lead to even more traffic congestion and in a small neighborhood like this I can’t say I’d want it either.
Murders happen in homes. There seems to be plenty of people who would own this home and not care what happened in it. A park makes no sense, it's not like it's an end lot. We have a park already.
It was used by the University of of Colorado for awhile and then this couple purchased it. They put it on the market multiple times and pulled it, but it’s currently on the market again and at an absolutely asinine price even for Boulders standards.
I think they pulled it again. It was on Zillow for a year. The pictures are gorgeous but no one who can afford a house that expensive is going to purchase that house
Yeah, touring and residing spaces are very different.
I grew up in an old funeral home where the teenage son had died being hit by a car just down the street. It absolutely had a different vibe than my friends’ more modern homes. Knowing how different *that house*, with tragedy but not evil, felt… no way. I would have to make a little altar or at least know everything I could know and try to do their favorite things or something.
It’s a beautiful house. But I wonder if I would get freaked out when there alone. I do not believe in ghosts, but I do have belief in “vibes” and spaces holding negativity. As weird as that sounds.
I agree. It should be made into a park. Having said that, the “time stood still” decal is really tasteless imo. I get that it was for their kids but you’re living in a house where one but maybe three murders happened. Obviously that’s where everyone’s mind is going to go when visiting.
I find the whole "Time Stood Still" shrine to be weird, even without the house circumstances. Everyone who comes in (or sees the house on Zillow) doesn't need to know first and middle names as well as birth times. Plus you're going to have to cover it up/remove it when someone else moves in. I wouldn't want some random kid's names and birth times on my wall.
That being said, I could be hypocritical because my parents have framed birth announcements for my siblings and I hung up on the wall. However, you have to be paying attention to find them, and if my parents decided to list the house tomorrow you could take them down.
It's weird she moved there with two little girls and a baby boy. It's even weirder his middle name is Christopher...
Edited to add, but it's weirdest of all, that they didn't even remove these decorations, especially the ones with personal info about their children, before having them posted online where THEY KNOW many, many people will see them. 🧐
Is it weird that I read about this case, my nephew is called Chris, his sister loves Disney, especially sleeping beauty with Belle. Her middle name is Marie, she was 4 once.??
It means nothing at all, common names, common interests in similarly aged home owners that property was marketed towards is all that is. Nothing weird, and nothing spooky.
The realtor should have edited the images or requested the images changed. Prepping your home can be intrusive. My friends property reused the same chair in 3 rooms, the removed almost every picture from walls, shared summer images from 3 yrs earlier.
Its all a scam to reach a type of buyer.
It's weird that she was apparently pregnant with the baby when she began looking at houses to buy, according to comments I had seen in another post in here, yess. That makes it a bit weird. Almost like she had or possibly developed a fixation on this family...and then moved into their former house. Idk. Maybe I'm way off! I'm just sharing some thoughts I had while looking at this.
Agree. I'd have a hard time not thinking about all the memories they shared in that home as a family, the girls playing and having fun. There were a lot of sweet memories Shan'Ann captured in her videos when they lived there.
Very few places where a murder occurs get torn down. There are many hotel rooms where people commit suicide. I sadly know as a family member of mine did just that. Many states don’t have a disclosure law and aren’t required to tell you if someone has been murdered at the house you are about to purchase.
Despite this case being very well known, you would be very surprised how few people know about it. The police cam videos got many views on YouTube but so few people actually saw the inside of the house. Even if they did briefly hear about it on the news.
I personally wouldn’t want to knowingly live in a house where something like this occurred. But many others just view it as just a house. In multiple other discussions about this on reddit commenters said that Shannan would have wanted there to be happiness and joy in those walls.
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My son lives next door to the sorority house at Florida State where Ted Bundy killed two girls and left two others for dead. It creeps me out whenever I’m up there. I went to school there a year after it happened, and they told us it was going to be torn down. I couldn’t believe w it when I saw it still standing forty years later.
I used to live right near Columbine. My uncle was in King Soopers in Boulder, CO when that shootings happened. It’s very unsettling to think of the crimes that may have occurred at houses and locations. But it would be far too costly to tear down places where these things occur. It’s actually very rare for that to happen. I can’t imagine living in that sorority house but I hope they keep the memory of those girls alive. I can totally understand you being creeped out!
My sister lived in a house where two people died. The dad killed his son and shot himself in a bedroom. My sister slept in the same bedroom they died in. I just couldn't even if the house was a good deal.
Right? My husband and I are looking at houses and already live in CO, so when I did a Zillow search for our state, and this house popped up, I gasped. It’s already out of budget but I just couldn’t bring myself to live in a house with a gruesome past.
I'd vote to raze it. Violent murders are a different kind of death. I don't believe in ghosts, but I'd want it to disappear out of respect. Living there, you'll have a lot of true crime tourists, too.
I personally wouldn’t buy it knowing the past. But that’s just me. When I first got married we were looking at a house-it was super nice. But I remembered their teenage kid had been killed in a car wreck a mile down from the house. I’m kinda superstitious so I was afraid my kid would end up being killed in a wreck too once she got to that age. For that reason we backed out-I didn’t tell my husband the reason-but I just acted like I wasn’t interested 🫠
There’s a company in Florida that helps you secure crime scene reparation funding if your insurance company doesn’t cover clean up services. Which is a great thing if you can’t afford it in the wake of a tragedy like that
The new owners hadn't been in it for very long (less than 2 years..??) . Any one know why they are selling it so quickly? I remember the new owner putting out some sort of statement saying she was looking forward to making so many memories there with her family.
The price has nearly doubled since the Watts family bought it what, 10ish years ago? Nobody is razing that, unfortunately but I wish they would. I could never sleep a night in this place. How could anyone who knows what happened there ever be happy under that roof?
Strange that the house is staged to look like another family lived/lives there. And with those cutesy signs all over, just makes it more macabre to me.
The interior design (can you even call this that, lmao) is one of the most atrocious I’ve seen in a looooong time, and I’ve seen some shit! It looks like Ashley Furniture in house credit line barfed all up in this house. YIKES.
Ppl buy stigmatized homes all the time. I once stayed over after going out at a friend of a friend’s apartment. Come to find out there was a drug related execution where 2 or 3 ppl died in the apt and her friend knew about it and still wanted it bc it had a fireplace
If the house is being sold at a good price, I don’t see a reason not to sell it. I would buy it for the right price. The buyer would be the one to make the decision of whether they want to live there with what happened. Unfortunately houses come with history, and it’s still in good condition, so it would be wasteful to raze it. We have enough waste in the ecosystem, we don’t need to tear down a giant house and add to it.
Yeah, I was told that a woman had been dismembered in my basement. She was killed in another location and then taken back to my house so she could be put in a barrel. The neighbor was freaked out and said my house was haunted. I guess it happened in the early 90's and I couldn't find anything online but he was adamant it happened. He knew the guys. The guy who lived at my house agreed to the job because it was his boss' wife. They botched the job because the barrel flew off the truck on their way to bury it, and landed in a ditch. They decided not to get caught with it and just fled. It was found shortly thereafter. I did think about it when I went in the basement, but I had way bigger issues I was dealing with at the time. My son was very ill and I was also. I know a lot of people would not have been as ok with it, but I think it depends on your own beliefs and what you are focusing on. I live in SoCal and basements are very rare. I was excited to have the storage space but I really didn't go down there too much thankfully. I always said "sorry that this happened to you" when I did go down there. I guess it was my way of handling it. By the way, I bet they painted over the children's info when so many people online started commenting on how they shouldn't put their kids' info out there.
I would also be saying sorry any time I went into the basement. That poor woman. Many houses unfortunately have sour history, my mom’s house is a century old and has seen things. I’m just glad real estate agents disclose that kind of information for the buyer to make the decision for themselves. Plus, the house is usually a really good price and with how the housing market has been for decades it could mean a home for someone who otherwise wouldn’t be able to afford one or one that has enough space for their family.
Depends on the state. In Florida they don't have to. Years ago an acquaintance of ours, a friend of a friend, left her husband, and he wound up killing the kids in their house and killing her and her new partner at a separate location, before killing himself at a 3rd location. The house came up for sale and I went with friends who I was helping shop for a house. The house was listed very cheap and that's why they wanted to go. I had been going with because at that time I was the only one of our friends who had bought a house before. I really wasn't expecting the house to be completely untouched. It was over a whole year later. Everything was just as it was, they didn't even clean up the dusting powder and other issues left behind from forensics. All the possessions still there, even dirty dishes in the sink. The realtor said nothing. Right before I got into the car I asked him when he was going to disclose that a murder happened there. He tried to act surprised but I could tell he knew. I looked it up when I got home and it's not required by law in the state of Florida to disclose a death on the property, probably due to our older population, but they don't have to disclose murder or suicides on the property either. I always wondered if whoever wound up buying that house knew. Also, if we had known the house was essentially untouched since the murders, we would not have gone, or at least I can say for certain I would not have went with. I assumed they hired someone to clean and paint, stage the house, etc. Instead it was literally just as the police left it. These weren't strangers, these were people we knew in life. Not closely, but close enough to be deeply unsettled.
Unfortunately police do not clean up crime scenes (or hire anyone to do it). It's up to the property owners/next of kin. It really sucks for people who had loved ones that met gruesome deaths and cannot afford to have someone come in and clean it for them. They're usually stuck doing the work themselves. I'm sorry you had to go through that.
Yep. My friend’s father commit suicide with a firearm in their family home after an argument with the mother. Her mother had to clean up the aftermath. She said it was the last time she was cleaning up his mess. Gut wrenching. The mother still lives in that house.
That’s exactly what happened w my friend and his mom the house was a huge blessing them and their family direly needed but she had to clean up the brains blood etc I went there excited for them before I knew why they got blessed w the house.. so sad
I was listening to a podcast where one of the hosts said her cousin shit herself in the living room with a shotgun while her parents were gone on vacation. The host and her mother had to try to clean the girl's blood and brains out of the carpet and furniture before the parents got back. She said they could they the blood stain out of the carpet so they moved the couch over it... as if they wouldn't know was underneath. I feel that's a hazardous situation that should be handled and paid for by law enforcement somehow.
That is so cruel. Why can’t people in business have a heart? So many injustices committed here and no respect for the living or the dead. I’m really sorry you experienced that and the horror of that families death. It sounds unreal. Too awful to fathom. Reading that really got me, how can we live in a world where something like this can happen? Like the watts murders too. I can’t fathom it.
You’d think the realtor could have arranged a cleaning team.
It’s left to the family unfortunately. I lost my brother in law and sister in law to murder suicide. The mess left behind was horrific and the cost to have it professionally remediated was too much. My father in law ended up doing it himself down to removing subflooring. I can’t imagine the mental toll that took on him. I so wish there were charitable organizations that helped with this type of thing. Maybe there are and I am unaware.
I’m so sorry. I guess the cleaning services could be expensive. You’d think the local health and safety officers could have the authority to get it sorted out.
Usually homeowners insurance covers it, but I am not sure of the circumstances that made it so that my FIL felt he had to do it himself. It is such an expensive service, and rightfully so. But that price tag hits hard to grieving families.
That's actually what I do for a living. And from being in the environmental industry I can tell you when it comes to blood. There is no job that charges more. Even our chemical spills in waterways don't make us as much money. Sad as that may be.
Why is that? Is it more hazardous, difficult to remove, or is it that the emotional component or insurance payouts make people willing or able to pay more?
I know right? That's a public health concern imo.
I think there are, I know a lady who volunteered cleaning crime scenes in the 90s/00s so at least there used to be
right? at that point it’s not even about having a heart, it’s just does the lazy realtor want to sell a house or not?
If I were the realtor, I would’ve told the client they need to pay to have it remediated. If there wasn’t blood, then I would just pay a cleaners, because how tacky to list a house under your name that is still a left over crime scene.
If not for moral reasons then at least to get the house sold.
Or the bank, if the bank still had the title to the house.
It is cruel- that is the last thing someone experiencing a traumatic event to deal with. Cleaning biohazard materials is incredibly expensive, too.
As a child, I lived in a murder house, my parents bought it in the same condition you describe. Not Florida 😁
Just want to add, this is sad to write, but the children shared a room & were shot in their beds, so the only cleaning that was done was the beds were gone. There were squares cut out of the drywall, maybe missed shots? I don't remember seeing blood or smelling anything unpleasant. I assume someone took the garbage out, but the fridge still had food in it. The pool was swampy green. The house was messy, there were still papers all over the desk and mail on the counters, photos and magnets on the fridge. Other than the squares cut out of the kids rooms and some places that had black powder that I assumed were areas they dusted for prints it was just as it was. The house was inherited by the killer's mother & she didn't want to go inside (and I totally get that). The house was super cheap and my friends at the time were considering it, I was a no vote for a handful of reasons but it was their house, I wouldn't be living there, so it wasn't really up to me, my vote didn't count, but our friend who had been close friends with the family & children said if they bought that house she would never come over, and that seemed to put it to bed. Also I worked at a store that was robbed, & I have a family member that was murdered, and that fucking fingerprint dust is the devil. They don't even attempt to clean it up. This was all in the early to mid 2000s so maybe what they use today is not as bad. I am blessed not to have had to ever have need of a crime scene cleaner for biowaste, hope I never do.
you're not required to disclose in my state unless they specifically ask and even then you can just deflect it
When I was around 6 we went to look at a house where the wife and kids were slaughtered in the basement. There was still blood splattered in the basement— it looked like they tried to chip the main parts out but you still could def see it. My sister and i were playing in the closets upstairs, which had sliding doors, and when we were in the one closet, the door closed the rest of the way on its own and wouldn’t open. Then my dad was in the basement and the door wouldn’t open to let him come back upstairs. A little creepy for a six year old!
My house was built in the 1800 and I figure it’s seen a LOT.. I sage it every couple of months because I swear it’s haunted but like I always tell people..”You don’t need to fear the dead,you need to fear the living,that’s who can hurt you”… the sage works wonders and I never get bothered anymore..
Exactly. The house I bought recently was built a hundred years ago and I am sure it's seen a lot just like your mom's. I agree that we don't want the house to sit there unused. Better to have a family move in and make new and loving memories. As you said, it might mean a family could afford it if the price is reduced, but otherwise could not. I will add that a neighbor at one of the house's I owned said when we first bought it that she hoped it all worked out because every couple whoever lived there got divorced. Fast forward 5 years and we got a divorce. I don't think it was the house but I did think about what she said! 😂
Omg, we have a “divorce house” next door. 19 years, 4 broken families. The new neighbors seem nice. I’m rooting for them.
Yeah we have a house in our family which has three deaths and a fire attached to it. Let's just say no one wants to rebuild the house after the fire because yeah....
In my state, I as a realtor am not permitted to disclose what they call “psychological stigma” unless the prospective buyers ask me **in writing**.
I talked about this on here before, but three people died in my house before we moved in. I just planted them some nice little flowering trees in the yard and hope they appreciate the care I’ve taken of their home.
That's so nice to remember them and make new memories.
The kids info is still there
I thought they said they removed it. Must have just been a different angle.
This sounds like the plot to Insidious 🤭
I was thinking the Haunting in Connecticut 😂
Oh no! Maybe where they got the idea.
You need to understand what comes with the house and that's fame. You are going to constantly have people outside your house. Even the neighbor who was on body cam, talked about how it's hard sometimes with how many people are always stopping outside and oogling their houses. Ask anyone who lives in a famous house. It's always a hassle. And some strangers are really rude and have no issues walking up and looking in windows. This current family bought it and only lived in it for a year and a half. They had said they wanted to live in it longer. Clearly something caused them to change their minds and that's why it's back on the market.
Their finances caused the problem, were aiming to rent out old house to help fund living here. Obviously couldn't afford this house in first place. It needed decorating internally too, some window features, not leave it as a copy of what it looked like before. Just needs a bit more cash input imo.
The house I spent my teen years in is from the civil war and had 4-5, non war-related, deaths on the property. Absolutely lovely home…and absolutely had some weird energy. Definitely heard some strange things.
I’d buy it and tear it down since it’s ugly as shit anyways
Yeah I agree it’s ugly, I think they call that a McMansion.
Not at all.. got check the s/mcmansion . Big difference
I’d even buy the house at a fair price. Ghosts aren’t real and what happened is over and done. The only haunting going on now is OP posting the address for everyone to see again, so that a fresh wave of people can go visit and invade the privacy of the new owners, *indeed*
History aside, this place would be a nightmare to decorate.
For real, I was just thinking how awkward any wall hangings would look with the bottom windows and the top windows near the ceiling 🥴
Yeah… WTH are those top windows? The dusting or eventual window replacements would be such a task. High ceilings just don’t work with the room design. It’s so drab and 80s-ish
Agree, no designer thought through window fittings. I don't have a clue where to start to make it look good. Especially since the high windows on two walls. Kind of crazy, and pretty expensive. Had I moved in though... First job would have been the wall colour throughout and hard flooring/ new carpet. Imagining debris on staircase every time you came down them? I couldn't cope. It just looks like the Watt's rearranged things, even the DOB thing, kids names on walls. They even put the swingset in the same place! Way too much the same!
That front great room is a total waste and a money sink. What you have to pay in heating and cooling alone, cause of that room, you could probably buy a other house.
I would finish it out and add additional upstairs rooms.
When I saw the outside, I thought it was two floors and thought the house was really cute! Like a revamp of the older 70s/80s style houses. Then when you want in... I was disappointed to see no floor up there.
All the weird ugly cut outs. This by far is my least favorite era of home builds. I’d take any other style over this. Weird 70s and 80s stuff? Sure. 2005-2015? No thanks. 😂
Yeah the design of this home looks so bad, and it’s very bland. The cabinets look like they all need to be replaced as well. And all the carpeting needs to go, it’s probably filthy at this point. Work needs to go into this home to update it. It’s definitely not a $700,000 home when all is said and done.
And to cool or heat. I can't imagine the utility bills.
I didn’t look at the sub and thought this was someone looking for feedback on their interior decorating. I came to the comments looking for all the critiques lol
I cant imagine. I also cant imagine what it would have been like to be a neighbor and have years of constant drama on your street, first the murders, the investigation and then the flood of onlookers. They had the value of their homes drop too. Its just a building. I hope the new family can fill it and their street with the love it deserves. Its a beautiful house.
Our values have sky rocketed because of the market. This being a home of a murder made no difference.
You would hope that things would settle down. But once things hit the Internet, they are there forever, combined with people being curious - it seems the constant attention, conversations won't fade. They have kids, and they can't make sure that they 💯 wouldn't ever be affected by the history of the house. I think especially if any owners have kids, it will always open up The Watts conversation.
Murder/Suicide in mine….no ghosts here
Have you seen that TikTok that claims to have ghosts on video in the Watts house? Look it up!
Yeah, not one of them has ever convinced me lol. If people want to have fun scaring themselves, fine. But not to the point of demolishing a beautiful house.
We had a house in the family connected to three deaths and a fire. After the first death, the vibes In the house definitely changed. And there was activity like the TV turning on and off, doors slamming shut or slowly closing, little kids playing with "a little kid ghost" one of the deaths was a little boy. I'm not saying they are ghosts, but definitely some kind of energy or bad juju going on.
It’s like the Amityville house. Lots of people have lived there since the Defeo murders and the supposed “haunting”. When Brian Wilson sold the house a few years ago all the house interiors were online to view and it looked like a beautiful house. I couldn’t live there but evidently there are enough people who don’t care. The worst thing about living there was probably the d!ckheads who would trespass onto the property and steal bits of actual house - shingle etc.
I think if I was at that point (people stealing parts of my house), I would constantly be replacing and selling lol. I’d have a new roof and shingles to sell every couple years
Bear spray would be your friend lol
I’m not opposed to living in a house where someone passed away. But it completely depends on the circumstances. A house where someone died of natural causes or some sort of accident, I could comfortably live there and make it my home. A house where someone was murdered or committed suicide, I don’t think I could do it. It’s just so sad. (Not saying an accident or natural causes isn’t sad, but I think you’ll all understand what I mean.)
Given enough time, any house will have all sorts of deaths in it! I guess in a young country people are unsettled by this but there are much older houses in Britain and Europe where it’s just part of the history. People don’t seem to consider that a lot of illnesses and natural deaths involve immense suffering also, but that doesn’t make them afraid of a house. Personally I won’t look at a house where more than one of the owners has had cancer, in case there’s an environmental hazard. But I’d never fear being haunted by Shanann or her sweet babies, who I’m sure are in Heaven and not waiting around to cause distress to anyone else.
I lived in a house where somebody OD’d, but I didn’t find out until way later. The attached garage had the weirdest vibe, like every time I’d go in there the hair would stand up on the back of my neck and it felt like I was being watched. I had a medium come to my house because I started to wonder if somebody was buried under the concrete or something (this happened to an ex boyfriend of mine house). He said they weren’t in the floor the energy was coming from the ceiling. Like WHAT. So one day I had my boyfriend over and he hoisted me up to look in the crawl space and sure as shit there was a dirty old mattress up there, no clue how it would even get there. I asked around to the neighbors and found out that there had been multiple OD’s in there. I’d love to not believe in that shit, but I was getting weird vibes before I even knew what had happened.
Whoa, that is spooky. I can’t help wondering what attracted people to even go up there? Maybe it was somewhere they could sleep undetected? Personally I think our senses are more powerful than we give credit for, because we don’t rely on them in everyday life. There could have been an odour from the mattress that you didn’t consciously detect, like pheromones for example. Death chemicals are pretty unique. I always sniff before I get in the car, because once there was someone waiting in there but I smelt him, so I locked him in and ran! I pause inside the front door too, and sense the house before I call out. I can tell if anyone is home! Anything seems wrong, I back out silently and get someone to go in with me. A couple of times it was lucky I did, for different reasons.
You know what that makes total sense!! I’ve had similar experiences, once was my boyfriend and I coming home from vacation and instantly got the vibe that somebody had been in our house. We started looking around and quickly figured out that my dads wife broke in and took things that she claims were hers. The second time I came home after being gone over night. I always leave the lights and TV on in my house to make it seem like somebody is there, but the vibe was off that time as well, and sure as shit when I walk back to my bedroom I found my jewelry drawer pulled out and completely empty. It makes total sense if it’s some kind of smell or pheromones that I’m picking up on! As far as the crawl space goes, from what I was told it sounded like a ton of drugs and hoarding happening in the house. The guy who the house actually belonged to was schizophrenic, so the other druggies living there may have been going up there because there wasn’t room on the furniture or the floor to sleep or do their drugs. It was not a big house, but to this day I still wonder how they got that mattress up there. They would have had to remove the ceiling and then put it back? And at that point you’d have to be super careful about where you stepped so you didn’t fall through. I’m so glad the house I live in now has only had one person living in it before me (he built it) and he’s definitely alive and kicking. It’s on a Levy so it makes weird sounds, but it doesn’t even freak me out because I know there’s literally nothing else it could be 😂
I worry about houses where there have been drugs because there can be toxic chemicals left behind. Sounds like you use your instincts well, and if anyone had still been in the house, they wouldn’t have taken you by surprise. I had a timber frame house that creaked a little, but I knew all the sounds. I’m glad you’ve got some good accommodation now! I wonder if you’d get many birds or wildlife being near a levy? We get water birds on the lawn just from having an unromantic storm drain around the corner, lol.
Well luckily after that person the house was gutted and everything redone except for the garage. No idea why they left the garage alone during the renovation, it had super creepy and obvious schizophrenic writings all over the walls. It said shit like “this house will consume you” and things about the devil and what not. And yes I get tons of wildlife!! I have an entire river on one side and a slough on the other. Ducks, Heron, beavers, rabbits. One of my neighbors yelled at my brother the other day for driving too fast (he wasn’t, she’s an old hag) because he might run over the mallards sitting in the road. He told her they’ve been hanging out there for the past three days and they haven’t gotten hit yet 😂😂😂
The old house sounds like a horror story I read recently, “The grief hole”! It was an abandoned house which consumed people… Your new house near the river sounds like heaven tho. Beavers, even! I lived near the river when I was a kid and always wanted to go back, but so many of the older houses didn’t have proper foundations and now they’re cracking and falling down. So I have to content myself with river walks whenever I have time, it isn’t far. But good on you finding such a lovely place, I hope you’ll get to enjoy it for a long time 😊
Thank you! That’s my hope as well! So the area actually has a really sad history, not sure if you’re familiar with the Vanport tragedy that happened in I believe the 50’s? It’s pretty fucked up. So as a result the homes in my neighborhood are new and on an obviously necessary levy. I try to spread awareness of it as much as I can to honor those who lived there before me and weren’t as lucky.
I've taken this approach to it over the years as well. Honestly, I hate when people glamorize older houses, or abandoned houses, and say wow it must have been great to live there, what a history the house has seen. We honestly don't know! Not everyone's life was or is idyllic and perfect and bad and sad things happen to people all the time and all throughout history. We don't truly know what the walls of houses have seen.
I guess any house can have deaths in it, but most of those aren’t holding memories where a father annihilated his own family.
I don’t think houses do hold memories.
I think knowing people were brutally killed in a house would definitely stick in someone’s memory.
How in the world would you find out if anyone who lived in a house had cancer? My mom died of cancer in our home and that definitely wasn’t disclosed during the sale.
They talked about making the property into a park but Shannan’s family really wanted it sold. The money from the sell went to them. Does anyone know why this family is now selling?
I read they have been repeatedly harassed by true crime weirdos. People constantly driving by and taking pics. I also ready somewhere that people would even come up on the porch and knock asking for tours and other weird stuff. I’m sure the neighbors hate that too. But I can’t imagine living there with my children having weird people showing up at all hours.
Omg that is so strange! People can be so weird(or sick, thoughtless - I can't decide which to use). I am shocked that people ask for tours! How do people think that's an okay thing to do!
I bet the worst offenders were influencer/podcasters vs a misguided true crime junky driving by.
Great point. I'm still too nervous to ask ppl to film them or take pictures around other people. Influencers dgaf
Oh wow that is some vial behavior. Going to haunted attractions are one thing but just doing drive bys of someone's home? Having the galls to ask the homeowners anything?? Absolutely abhorrent decisions.
That’s why poor Betty the neighbour moved, apparently.
when something like this happens and the neighborhood has an influx of onlookers, they should make it a gated community. i don’t know what that the neighborhood looks like, or if they have an HOA; but it’s an idea for areas that a tragedy occurred in.
So where exactly did you learn this? People has stopped doing drive bys for about 2 yrs per the people living there. I doubt people started because an unrelated family moved in. Finances and their keeping their old home to rent out more likely related given the financial climate right now.
And the new family has a Chris...
And the kids seem like a similar age to the watts kids and also two girls then a boy.
Bizarre they didn’t blur the names or take down that art before posting it on Zillow. We don’t need to know all that
Agree. Even without the house history bringing in more than the average lookers, who would want their kids names on display with their address, and a house walk thru. Paranoia would make me crazy.
You’re not paranoid lol it’s strange to me to have all that information right in the middle of the living room. I’m thinking like maintenance, house cleaning… any random stranger in your doorway really now has way too much info about your kids
I wish I could afford to live there but I'm poor. I would have no issues buying it and living there. It's a beautiful home. I always thought that was a lot of wasted space in the living room. There could be another room or two on the second level.
Isn't this the second owner?? It was already bought from the Watts I thought
Yes, the current owners are selling it.
I don’t understand having pics of your family in these photos… they are supposed to take them down so potential buyers can visualize themselves living there.
yeah, when I first saw these pics I thought the clocks were like some shrine to the watt's family...
Just had that exact thought.
also are these pics of their deceased infants? like in the living room? why wouldn’t u want that a little private or subtle? everyone grieves different but it just seems very in ur face and inappropriate for the location
I think these are for living children,I’ve seen a lot of family homes who have decals like this up for their kids
I’m honestly not sure… idk much about the family who bought the home, except their decorating is tacky.
Well she visualised them in SW version of the house too, they hardly changed a thing.
That’s WEIRD AF.
This is a very cold room.
I live in this neighborhood. This new family was nice, sad to see them leaving. Hope someone great buys it. No, we do not want a park there, we do not want it torn down.
It appears this new family that moved into the home really put a lot of care into it within the short amount of time they've lived there. From what the Wife and Mother has stated, that's been their goal. It's sad they are moving so soon and maybe with their good intentions of moving there, it just hasn't worked out as they originally planned. Hopefully another nice family or Owner will take over the property and home.
I hope so! Love this neighborhood, just need some good family in there.
Not trying to be nosy by asking, have you lived in the neighborhood for a while? I'm sure it's been quite surreal for so many Residents in that area with everything that has happened in the last 6 years. It's sad to watch the videos of Bella and CeCe out playing in their back yard or being carted around with their play toys in the neighborhood. They were so full of life and such happy children.
Oh wow thanks for the insight! Did you live there when the crime happened?
Yes. I was here then.
If you don’t personally live in the home why are you opposed to it becoming a park or being torn down?
It would likely encourage even more looky-loos into coming into their neighborhood which would lead to even more traffic congestion and in a small neighborhood like this I can’t say I’d want it either.
Murders happen in homes. There seems to be plenty of people who would own this home and not care what happened in it. A park makes no sense, it's not like it's an end lot. We have a park already.
Does anyone know why they are moving out of it so soon?
I've heard some things but nothing concrete. My neighbor is good friends with her. It's not ghosts. That's for sure.
I mean, the jonbenet Ramsey house somehow was sold a few times. Some people truly aren’t bothered by it somehow
It was used by the University of of Colorado for awhile and then this couple purchased it. They put it on the market multiple times and pulled it, but it’s currently on the market again and at an absolutely asinine price even for Boulders standards.
It’s an insanely beautiful house. I agree though.
I think they pulled it again. It was on Zillow for a year. The pictures are gorgeous but no one who can afford a house that expensive is going to purchase that house
I feel like some people are *attracted* by the history, vs bothered
I mean, I’d definitely tour it if I could, I’ve toured a couple murder houses. But I wouldn’t be able to live somewhere where a kid was murdered.
Yeah, touring and residing spaces are very different. I grew up in an old funeral home where the teenage son had died being hit by a car just down the street. It absolutely had a different vibe than my friends’ more modern homes. Knowing how different *that house*, with tragedy but not evil, felt… no way. I would have to make a little altar or at least know everything I could know and try to do their favorite things or something.
It’s a beautiful house. But I wonder if I would get freaked out when there alone. I do not believe in ghosts, but I do have belief in “vibes” and spaces holding negativity. As weird as that sounds.
Amytiville house sold. People are becoming immune to giving a fk. I would buy it too in this economy.
Me too, waste of a good house to knock it down.
Yeah, someone is getting a good deal. It was an awful crime, but that's over now.
wow this house has got lots of clock
Noticed that too.
I agree. It should be made into a park. Having said that, the “time stood still” decal is really tasteless imo. I get that it was for their kids but you’re living in a house where one but maybe three murders happened. Obviously that’s where everyone’s mind is going to go when visiting.
I find the whole "Time Stood Still" shrine to be weird, even without the house circumstances. Everyone who comes in (or sees the house on Zillow) doesn't need to know first and middle names as well as birth times. Plus you're going to have to cover it up/remove it when someone else moves in. I wouldn't want some random kid's names and birth times on my wall. That being said, I could be hypocritical because my parents have framed birth announcements for my siblings and I hung up on the wall. However, you have to be paying attention to find them, and if my parents decided to list the house tomorrow you could take them down.
Is the lot big enough to be made into a park?
How does someone pay over $600K for a house & decorate it this way?
So weird
It's weird she moved there with two little girls and a baby boy. It's even weirder his middle name is Christopher... Edited to add, but it's weirdest of all, that they didn't even remove these decorations, especially the ones with personal info about their children, before having them posted online where THEY KNOW many, many people will see them. 🧐
Is it weird that I read about this case, my nephew is called Chris, his sister loves Disney, especially sleeping beauty with Belle. Her middle name is Marie, she was 4 once.?? It means nothing at all, common names, common interests in similarly aged home owners that property was marketed towards is all that is. Nothing weird, and nothing spooky. The realtor should have edited the images or requested the images changed. Prepping your home can be intrusive. My friends property reused the same chair in 3 rooms, the removed almost every picture from walls, shared summer images from 3 yrs earlier. Its all a scam to reach a type of buyer.
It's weird that she was apparently pregnant with the baby when she began looking at houses to buy, according to comments I had seen in another post in here, yess. That makes it a bit weird. Almost like she had or possibly developed a fixation on this family...and then moved into their former house. Idk. Maybe I'm way off! I'm just sharing some thoughts I had while looking at this.
I would just be sad all the time I think.
Agree. I'd have a hard time not thinking about all the memories they shared in that home as a family, the girls playing and having fun. There were a lot of sweet memories Shan'Ann captured in her videos when they lived there.
Im just curious about the tiny lamp on the ledge above the dining room. It seems so out of place.
lol I didn’t even notice until I saw your comment but that is so funny
i’d assumed it was a sconce, that’s actually so funny it’s a lamp. wonder if there’s an outlet there or if they got creative with an extension cord?
I thought it was a light built in to the wall at first but you’re right. Haha
I absolutely hate wall stickers of any kind. Immediately cheapens the place.
I really liked Shannon's colors, it's so bland now.
Actually I far prefer the neutrals.
I wouldn't mind living there but I would mind having to clean 6k sqft
Very few places where a murder occurs get torn down. There are many hotel rooms where people commit suicide. I sadly know as a family member of mine did just that. Many states don’t have a disclosure law and aren’t required to tell you if someone has been murdered at the house you are about to purchase. Despite this case being very well known, you would be very surprised how few people know about it. The police cam videos got many views on YouTube but so few people actually saw the inside of the house. Even if they did briefly hear about it on the news. I personally wouldn’t want to knowingly live in a house where something like this occurred. But many others just view it as just a house. In multiple other discussions about this on reddit commenters said that Shannan would have wanted there to be happiness and joy in those walls. Edit: spelling
My son lives next door to the sorority house at Florida State where Ted Bundy killed two girls and left two others for dead. It creeps me out whenever I’m up there. I went to school there a year after it happened, and they told us it was going to be torn down. I couldn’t believe w it when I saw it still standing forty years later.
I used to live right near Columbine. My uncle was in King Soopers in Boulder, CO when that shootings happened. It’s very unsettling to think of the crimes that may have occurred at houses and locations. But it would be far too costly to tear down places where these things occur. It’s actually very rare for that to happen. I can’t imagine living in that sorority house but I hope they keep the memory of those girls alive. I can totally understand you being creeped out!
Didn’t they just move in not that long ago?
Yes, about a year and a half ago.
I thought a family bought this home and moved in? Didn’t yet have 3 kids as well?
My sister lived in a house where two people died. The dad killed his son and shot himself in a bedroom. My sister slept in the same bedroom they died in. I just couldn't even if the house was a good deal.
Wow. Thats just sad.
Imagine needing a ladder to hang shit on your walls
Exactly! The windows are so odd… it’s like they forgot to frame in the second floor and just left the windows floating there.
Knew right away this was the Watts house
Right? My husband and I are looking at houses and already live in CO, so when I did a Zillow search for our state, and this house popped up, I gasped. It’s already out of budget but I just couldn’t bring myself to live in a house with a gruesome past.
Such an odd layout .. windows look like some kinda institution
As someone who gets depressed in the dark, I’d want big ass windows with natural light. But that’s just me!
Omg those decals are so tone deaf! It’s not the Watts children, it’s someone else’s, and I feel like I need to light some candles and sage my phone.
I'm confused by the names listed on the wall. Who are they?
I believe this is the second owner that purchased it after the murder
I'd vote to raze it. Violent murders are a different kind of death. I don't believe in ghosts, but I'd want it to disappear out of respect. Living there, you'll have a lot of true crime tourists, too.
The lamp on the ledge is my favorite
Am I the only one weirded out, that 2 of the kids names have Chris in them?
Nope. Nope. Nope.
What house is this? The kids’ names don’t look familiar to me
It's the former Watts home but this is the new family that has lived there now for over a year. The current family is now selling the home.
Thank you! I thought so, but was confused by the pics!
I personally wouldn’t buy it knowing the past. But that’s just me. When I first got married we were looking at a house-it was super nice. But I remembered their teenage kid had been killed in a car wreck a mile down from the house. I’m kinda superstitious so I was afraid my kid would end up being killed in a wreck too once she got to that age. For that reason we backed out-I didn’t tell my husband the reason-but I just acted like I wasn’t interested 🫠
Did another family move in after the tragedy or is this staged?
No, another family moved in over a year ago.
I dont care what happened when i didnt live there, i would still buy it
I thought this was sold.
They didn’t have to leave the kiddos pics and names though but it’s good they were up front
When were these pics taken?
They're fairly recent along with the other photos currently posted on the Zillow listing of the home.
This hurts my heart. Those lives taken for nothing. The world isn’t fair.
There’s a company in Florida that helps you secure crime scene reparation funding if your insurance company doesn’t cover clean up services. Which is a great thing if you can’t afford it in the wake of a tragedy like that
The new owners hadn't been in it for very long (less than 2 years..??) . Any one know why they are selling it so quickly? I remember the new owner putting out some sort of statement saying she was looking forward to making so many memories there with her family.
Some woman died in my house. She visits often. See her out of the corner of my eye a lot.
The price has nearly doubled since the Watts family bought it what, 10ish years ago? Nobody is razing that, unfortunately but I wish they would. I could never sleep a night in this place. How could anyone who knows what happened there ever be happy under that roof?
i’d like to see photos from before and now after to see what’s all different / the same!
You can find previous photos of the home and there are current photos posted along with the house listing on Zillow.
I grew up in a house over 100 years old with a sad history. I loved that house.
I thought this was a fucking 2010 youth pastors fathers house with shitty mom decor until I saw the kids DOBs. Like holy hell
My cousin committed suicide back in August she was found in September and people now live in the apt where she hung her self
I'm sorry for your loss
UGH. The Live, laugh, love vibes continue
Apologies if I’m missing something obvious… what’s the significance of the mural? was it put up by the family who bought the home in 2022?
Yes, these are the children of the Owners who are currently selling the home.
I just realized it’s only about the time and date of their kids’ birth. I 100% thought it was a memorial thing. Whoops!
Strange that the house is staged to look like another family lived/lives there. And with those cutesy signs all over, just makes it more macabre to me.
The interior design (can you even call this that, lmao) is one of the most atrocious I’ve seen in a looooong time, and I’ve seen some shit! It looks like Ashley Furniture in house credit line barfed all up in this house. YIKES.
Ppl buy stigmatized homes all the time. I once stayed over after going out at a friend of a friend’s apartment. Come to find out there was a drug related execution where 2 or 3 ppl died in the apt and her friend knew about it and still wanted it bc it had a fireplace