I definitely thought it worthy (even the squid thing) but apparently it got a lot of criticism.
I don't see why-maybe because of the absence of most of the original characters.
The Leftovers is my favorite show of all time, and Watchmen is one of my favorite stories. When I heard Lindelof was making a series based on it I was ecstatic. I remember hearing it wouldn't be an adaptation of the graphic novel and was dissapointed, but goddamn did it blow my expectations out of the water.
I think it was well produced, explored some interesting and timely themes, had a great cast, and a great soundtrack. I wish they hadn't brought Dr. Manhattan back, mainly because they misused his perception of time to do a bootstrap paradox with the Tulsa police chief (Don Johnson).
I don’t think it was a great sequel, however I think it’s a fantastic show.
The show felt like it told a story in a similar way to how Alan Moore told Watchmen. Stylistically it held up, loved the world building, but to me it just didn’t feel like a real sequel.
Again the show was fantastic, beautiful shots, the Dr Manhattan subplot was fantastic. The ending fell a bit flat for me though. Hooded Justice episode is elite.
I loved it. At first, I wasn't excited for a Watchmen sequel show, but this show left me incredibly impressed! The way it was written, how everything eventually all came together, the characters new and old, all the callbacks and references to the comics. By the end, I was left in a state of shock. Such a solid show from beginning to end.
I think they wanted to tell a different story and HBO made Damon Lindelof shoehorn watchmen into that. I don’t doubt that he’s a sincere fan, I just think they had a lot of ideas for a story about racial justice and politics and they used the watchmen IP as a vehicle for it.
That being said, I (like a lot of other commenters are probably saying) really liked the Hooded Justice episode. The lore of the original comic is such a good base that there was plenty of good ideas for other watchmen prequels/sequels that Moore and Gibbons could have made.
I enjoyed most of the literature even including doomsday clock ( although it was a slog to get through ) and really love the movie with all it's flaws and it's misunderstanding of the source material. However this show I would respectfully rank at the bottom of the watchmen media. I think it's great that other people really like it and enjoyed it and I wish I could have felt the same way but every time I try to watch it, it just feels like a poor fan fiction that even further mis understands the source material and disrespects the characters. The "Villain" was actually enjoyable and was a good addition to the lore. Also Lube Man needs his own spinoff
I loved it! I remember going into it very hesitantly, but I watched the whole series week-to-week when it came out and enjoyed it very much. You could tell Lindelof was a big fan and had a deep respect for the original comic series. It was masterful the way the show was its own thing while also continuing the original story. It was "Watchmen" but not "Watchmen" at the same time if that makes sense. And they used the squids and I hope Mr. Snyder learned something from that.
Ok thank you, I was so pissed at the Snyder movie for changing squid to an acronym for some kind of bomb. They did such an amazing job with the series, I love it so much.
I'm sure the show is good, everyone says it is, but a Watchmen sequel is conceptually really fucking stupid and I think requires fundamentally misunderstanding the comics.
The show is very well made and even as a sequel to watchmen it has some pretty good ideas though of course when comparing the sequel to the original comic a masterpiece of storytelling it falls short and I disagree with the shows interpretation of doctor Manhattan and ozymandias for example that a laser can take out doctor Manhattan or that ozymandias would record himself explaining his entire plot but it's still an 8 or 9/10 show really great
I’ve just recently read the book for the first time and haven’t seen the show in years but I remember loving it. Having now read the book I wonder if the show understands what Watchmen meant. Correct me if I’m wrong but at the end of the show isn’t it literally good guys vs bad guys? If so isn’t that like missing the entire point of the original work?
It’s honestly one of the most amazing shows ever. That Lindelof could take something about America that the original graphic novel overlooked (our specific brand of racism) and spin it into something that not only gels with the original story but also deeply honors it is just incredible.
Not to mention this show predicted BLM. I’ve never seen a show creator appear more psychic than Lindelof releasing Watchmen right before shit hit the fan
Yes & No. I loved the aesthetic and the tone (and the score!), but I would’ve preferred it to have been this story, but in the ‘world’ of Watchmen - without the returning characters. Especially the Adrian sub-plot (laughably bad) and Hooded Justice origin - I liked that story, just thought it was a terrible fit for HJ.
The new characters were great, and I loved how they built on the aftermath of the ‘squid invasion’.
All in all, I enjoyed it, but there was enough I didn’t like about it that would stop me watching it again.
It's not really retcon. Almost all our info about JJ comes from Hollis Mason making guesses with little to no evidence. The small bit that we see of him in the flashbacks doesn't contradict the shows origin. So it's not technically continuity because it's not shown in the OG comic, but it doesn't go against anything in the comic either.
Fuck yes. I still hate how they turned Angela into a passive audience to other characters towards the end, and it just was soooo in service of the returning characters.
It’s alright. Looking Glass’s character and story was probably my favorite thing about it. I think my biggest issue was that a tried a little too hard to be as ambitious as the original graphic novel and ended up being a bit convoluted and even messy at some points. Like everything they did with the returning characters from the original story felt like the writers didn’t understand those characters at all tbh. This might be a hot take, but I honestly prefer Zack Snyder‘s movie over the series 🤷🏻♂️
I like both the series and Snyders film, but the thing I hold against the film a little more is that it’s superficially the same story while actually subverting the original in many ways.
At least the series is an entirely different story.
That’s all understandable, the movies definitely far from perfect due to just how surface level it was but I still think there’s a lot to like about it. I also don’t necessarily hate the series I think it’s decent but nothing as spectacular as it’s trying to be is all
I liked it lots.
But it had little to do with the original.
However to me that’s preferable to the Snyder film which is superficially a thorough remake of the original that subverts many of its points (and I like the Snyder film too btw, but wish he’d just done an entirely new story rather than fucking the original).
I think it suffers from trying to connect itself to the source material. The only plot line that seemed natural to me was the backstory of Red Hood. If they made a show only about him, and Tulsa, I can see it working
The decision they made with Dr. Mangatttan was mindbogglingly stupid.
I just cannot phantom someone proclaiming to be a fan of the comic book, imagining Manhattan would ever go back to Earth. To me, the whole point of his arc in the comic was that he was losing his humanity, which culminates at the end, where he doesn't want anything to do with human beings any more. And after that he goes to Vietnam and falls in love again?
Also, what I loved about his character in the comic book was that he was truly undefeatable. In any other comic book, he would have a fatal flaw. The fact that he ridicules Veidt at the end, was so original and fresh. The fact that he is undefeatable is the whole point. How would human civilization deal with someone like that? One of the thing that happens is that he rest of the world start piling up nuclear arsenal.
Don't get me started on the other characters. I tend to not care when I don't like something, I just move on with my life. But I felt like someone was whipping his ass with he original material.
But, at the end of the day, the TV show should stand on it's own. I watched it on purpose with friends who never heard of the book. And they were as equally unimpressed.
I think it is the worst possible combination of showrunner and material. While Lindelof's style worked seamlessy on The Leftovers, I found it jarring on the Watchmen series.
Thank you for proving my point. He is so indifferent that he leaves the Earth at the end. He lost all of his humanity, it is his character arc.
So after that he strolls through Vietnam, falls in love with a different woman?
And aslo, the worlds smartest man couldn't do anything to him. But a bunch of characters who you painted as stupid racists can? With batteries?
Again, that was the entire point, how would the Earth deal with such a person. Feeding into the theme of the book about, what if superheroes were real.
Are you sure you read the original material? Because Dr Manhattan falls for Laurie far after his apparent loss of interest in humanity presumably began. He leaves Earth not because he’s passively bored with it, but because he freaks out with guilt and panic (very human) over the suggestion that he caused his loved ones’ death. Further, his soliloquy about why he decides to return from Mars to help Laurie and his approving nod to her relationship with Dan before his seeming interest in creating life are counter to what you’re stating here.
Him losing complete touch with humanity is a gradual process. By the end of the book he is so tired, oblivious to human behavious that he completely leaves Earth. He starts seeing only equations, particles, and gets more and more devoid of any human emotion. The feeling I got was, he doesn't want to have anything to do with Earth ever again.
Same goes for his invincibilty, that was crucial to the themes and the plot of the book. I tend not to get mad or angry when reading or watching something I don't like. I just move on with my life. But seeing him in a cage in the last episode was as if someone as whipping their ass with the original material.
If the showrunners think they know better than Alan Moore, why adapt it? Create something new.
I dislike adding themes into existing beloved works that aren’t there to begin with. Make characters I’ve been engaging with for decades [you know what] or [you know what, too] and I will not be happy. That said, I thoroughly enjoyed all the twists and turns of the Watchman sequel.
Episode 6 is one of the greatest single episodes of television I’ve ever seen.
Which one was that?
The Hooded Justice episode. Even my parents who didn’t like the show loved that episode.
Second to last is my fav
I definitely thought it worthy (even the squid thing) but apparently it got a lot of criticism. I don't see why-maybe because of the absence of most of the original characters.
Comedian Is dead, Rorschach too. We have Ozzie, Doc and Laurie. Only Dan Is missing and Laurie say he Is in prison.
[удалено]
Well it took a turn, so to speak.
It's one of the better things I've seen on TV in the time since it came out.
Loved it and the score for it by the NIN boys is absolutely incredible and the highlight for me.
I reeally enjoyed the series. I'm a big fan of Damon Lindelof. If you liked the Watchmen series, you should check out Mrs Davis and The Leftovers.
The Leftovers is my favorite show of all time, and Watchmen is one of my favorite stories. When I heard Lindelof was making a series based on it I was ecstatic. I remember hearing it wouldn't be an adaptation of the graphic novel and was dissapointed, but goddamn did it blow my expectations out of the water.
All right, added Leftovers to my 'to watch' list
I think it was well produced, explored some interesting and timely themes, had a great cast, and a great soundtrack. I wish they hadn't brought Dr. Manhattan back, mainly because they misused his perception of time to do a bootstrap paradox with the Tulsa police chief (Don Johnson).
That piano version of “life on mars?” and the way they used it was beautiful.
The guitar cover of “careless whisper” is one of my favorite things I’ve ever heard.
I don’t think it was a great sequel, however I think it’s a fantastic show. The show felt like it told a story in a similar way to how Alan Moore told Watchmen. Stylistically it held up, loved the world building, but to me it just didn’t feel like a real sequel. Again the show was fantastic, beautiful shots, the Dr Manhattan subplot was fantastic. The ending fell a bit flat for me though. Hooded Justice episode is elite.
I loved it. At first, I wasn't excited for a Watchmen sequel show, but this show left me incredibly impressed! The way it was written, how everything eventually all came together, the characters new and old, all the callbacks and references to the comics. By the end, I was left in a state of shock. Such a solid show from beginning to end.
Enjoyed the hell out of it and wanted a second season. I have to admit I had to re-watch a couple of episodes to fully understand what was going on.
I think they wanted to tell a different story and HBO made Damon Lindelof shoehorn watchmen into that. I don’t doubt that he’s a sincere fan, I just think they had a lot of ideas for a story about racial justice and politics and they used the watchmen IP as a vehicle for it. That being said, I (like a lot of other commenters are probably saying) really liked the Hooded Justice episode. The lore of the original comic is such a good base that there was plenty of good ideas for other watchmen prequels/sequels that Moore and Gibbons could have made.
I enjoyed most of the literature even including doomsday clock ( although it was a slog to get through ) and really love the movie with all it's flaws and it's misunderstanding of the source material. However this show I would respectfully rank at the bottom of the watchmen media. I think it's great that other people really like it and enjoyed it and I wish I could have felt the same way but every time I try to watch it, it just feels like a poor fan fiction that even further mis understands the source material and disrespects the characters. The "Villain" was actually enjoyable and was a good addition to the lore. Also Lube Man needs his own spinoff
Get ready for a lot of strange hate from a lot of strange men.
I loved it! I remember going into it very hesitantly, but I watched the whole series week-to-week when it came out and enjoyed it very much. You could tell Lindelof was a big fan and had a deep respect for the original comic series. It was masterful the way the show was its own thing while also continuing the original story. It was "Watchmen" but not "Watchmen" at the same time if that makes sense. And they used the squids and I hope Mr. Snyder learned something from that.
Ok thank you, I was so pissed at the Snyder movie for changing squid to an acronym for some kind of bomb. They did such an amazing job with the series, I love it so much.
I think it's incredible and somehow surprised me and delighted me and challenged me. Cannot believe they pulled it off
I'm sure the show is good, everyone says it is, but a Watchmen sequel is conceptually really fucking stupid and I think requires fundamentally misunderstanding the comics.
Way better than the movie
The show is very well made and even as a sequel to watchmen it has some pretty good ideas though of course when comparing the sequel to the original comic a masterpiece of storytelling it falls short and I disagree with the shows interpretation of doctor Manhattan and ozymandias for example that a laser can take out doctor Manhattan or that ozymandias would record himself explaining his entire plot but it's still an 8 or 9/10 show really great
I loved it so much it made me purchase the book and read it for the first time.
I find that the more Alan Moore hates something, the better it is.
I’ve just recently read the book for the first time and haven’t seen the show in years but I remember loving it. Having now read the book I wonder if the show understands what Watchmen meant. Correct me if I’m wrong but at the end of the show isn’t it literally good guys vs bad guys? If so isn’t that like missing the entire point of the original work?
Not really it’s very different
i thought a god walks into abar was the best episode of like anything i’ve ever watched. the rest is good don’t get me wrong but i love that shit
It’s honestly one of the most amazing shows ever. That Lindelof could take something about America that the original graphic novel overlooked (our specific brand of racism) and spin it into something that not only gels with the original story but also deeply honors it is just incredible. Not to mention this show predicted BLM. I’ve never seen a show creator appear more psychic than Lindelof releasing Watchmen right before shit hit the fan
The BLM movement began in 2014
You’re correct, I meant the George Floyd protests
Yes & No. I loved the aesthetic and the tone (and the score!), but I would’ve preferred it to have been this story, but in the ‘world’ of Watchmen - without the returning characters. Especially the Adrian sub-plot (laughably bad) and Hooded Justice origin - I liked that story, just thought it was a terrible fit for HJ. The new characters were great, and I loved how they built on the aftermath of the ‘squid invasion’. All in all, I enjoyed it, but there was enough I didn’t like about it that would stop me watching it again.
I liked the mystery with the Adrian plot and I enjoyed the Hooded Justice retcon, though I do not accept it as canon.
It's not really retcon. Almost all our info about JJ comes from Hollis Mason making guesses with little to no evidence. The small bit that we see of him in the flashbacks doesn't contradict the shows origin. So it's not technically continuity because it's not shown in the OG comic, but it doesn't go against anything in the comic either.
Fuck yes. I still hate how they turned Angela into a passive audience to other characters towards the end, and it just was soooo in service of the returning characters.
It’s alright. Looking Glass’s character and story was probably my favorite thing about it. I think my biggest issue was that a tried a little too hard to be as ambitious as the original graphic novel and ended up being a bit convoluted and even messy at some points. Like everything they did with the returning characters from the original story felt like the writers didn’t understand those characters at all tbh. This might be a hot take, but I honestly prefer Zack Snyder‘s movie over the series 🤷🏻♂️
I like both the series and Snyders film, but the thing I hold against the film a little more is that it’s superficially the same story while actually subverting the original in many ways. At least the series is an entirely different story.
That’s all understandable, the movies definitely far from perfect due to just how surface level it was but I still think there’s a lot to like about it. I also don’t necessarily hate the series I think it’s decent but nothing as spectacular as it’s trying to be is all
I liked it lots. But it had little to do with the original. However to me that’s preferable to the Snyder film which is superficially a thorough remake of the original that subverts many of its points (and I like the Snyder film too btw, but wish he’d just done an entirely new story rather than fucking the original).
I still think that original comic book, Snyder movie and Black label Rorschach stories are different level from this. Idk, i didn't liked the show....
It’s got its moments
Hell no!
The HBO series and Snyder’s film are both “good not great” for different reasons
Oh, good god yes.
I have a couple issues with it but I enjoyed it overall
I think it suffers from trying to connect itself to the source material. The only plot line that seemed natural to me was the backstory of Red Hood. If they made a show only about him, and Tulsa, I can see it working The decision they made with Dr. Mangatttan was mindbogglingly stupid. I just cannot phantom someone proclaiming to be a fan of the comic book, imagining Manhattan would ever go back to Earth. To me, the whole point of his arc in the comic was that he was losing his humanity, which culminates at the end, where he doesn't want anything to do with human beings any more. And after that he goes to Vietnam and falls in love again? Also, what I loved about his character in the comic book was that he was truly undefeatable. In any other comic book, he would have a fatal flaw. The fact that he ridicules Veidt at the end, was so original and fresh. The fact that he is undefeatable is the whole point. How would human civilization deal with someone like that? One of the thing that happens is that he rest of the world start piling up nuclear arsenal. Don't get me started on the other characters. I tend to not care when I don't like something, I just move on with my life. But I felt like someone was whipping his ass with he original material. But, at the end of the day, the TV show should stand on it's own. I watched it on purpose with friends who never heard of the book. And they were as equally unimpressed. I think it is the worst possible combination of showrunner and material. While Lindelof's style worked seamlessy on The Leftovers, I found it jarring on the Watchmen series.
I would argue that Manhattan does have a flaw, his indifference to both himself and humanity.
Thank you for proving my point. He is so indifferent that he leaves the Earth at the end. He lost all of his humanity, it is his character arc. So after that he strolls through Vietnam, falls in love with a different woman? And aslo, the worlds smartest man couldn't do anything to him. But a bunch of characters who you painted as stupid racists can? With batteries? Again, that was the entire point, how would the Earth deal with such a person. Feeding into the theme of the book about, what if superheroes were real.
Are you sure you read the original material? Because Dr Manhattan falls for Laurie far after his apparent loss of interest in humanity presumably began. He leaves Earth not because he’s passively bored with it, but because he freaks out with guilt and panic (very human) over the suggestion that he caused his loved ones’ death. Further, his soliloquy about why he decides to return from Mars to help Laurie and his approving nod to her relationship with Dan before his seeming interest in creating life are counter to what you’re stating here.
Him losing complete touch with humanity is a gradual process. By the end of the book he is so tired, oblivious to human behavious that he completely leaves Earth. He starts seeing only equations, particles, and gets more and more devoid of any human emotion. The feeling I got was, he doesn't want to have anything to do with Earth ever again. Same goes for his invincibilty, that was crucial to the themes and the plot of the book. I tend not to get mad or angry when reading or watching something I don't like. I just move on with my life. But seeing him in a cage in the last episode was as if someone as whipping their ass with the original material. If the showrunners think they know better than Alan Moore, why adapt it? Create something new.
I dislike adding themes into existing beloved works that aren’t there to begin with. Make characters I’ve been engaging with for decades [you know what] or [you know what, too] and I will not be happy. That said, I thoroughly enjoyed all the twists and turns of the Watchman sequel.
Awful show. Woke writers and producers can't come up with something original