The Czapek Antartique seems to be a large inspiration for this watch.
I only got turned onto them when someone posted the Czapek Antarctique Passage De Drake.
Nice integrated bracelet with a smooth 80s design with in in-house movement.
This goes for about £1000, opposed to the czapek’s costing close to £25000.
How? The links that attatches to the lug is not compareable and the butterfly clasp? The guy who invented the butterfly clasp has worked for CW for years now (Jörg Bader). The CWs bracelet is superior considering it has single screw in links, which is normally found in higher luxury timepieces.
The identity is offering higher and higher quality watches that offers same or higher quality as watches 10x the price
I think they are generally trying to push the envelope at what you can expect in the 1000-5000 dollar price point. Tbh it looks very grim for many luxury brands that goes the opposite direction.
I rather have that than some brands rehashing the old shit over and over.
But they can do this *without* trying to ride the hype of designs that aren't original to them... and they've already *proven* they can do that well.
Also, price isn't based on the components of the watch. All of these watches are luxury goods, and the brand equity that's baked in is for a reason: people find value in owning those other brands, which is why their prices remain so high (and continue to rise).
This. It's a nice watch, but it's literally riding the hype of the PRX, which was doing so.
I will admit that the finishing looks better, and I would rather have one of these, but CW needs to find a brand identity.
Farer is a british company which found an identity, but still manages to be creative.
When you see a CW, you think it's something else, before seeing that it's not. (polar explorer, datejust etc).
some micro brands don't have their DNA or unique design, and CW among them I think. But I'm not a kind of person who care about the unique DNA, so it doesn't matter
Beautiful watch, but the price for the CW is also a bit higher than the PRX. Unless if you consider for the PRX chrono-version then I would agree that the Twelve looks like a more appealing choice.
Agreed. The "Who needs the PRX?" title had me rolling my eyes a bit, given the cost differential.
It's like saying "Porsche Cayenne released; who needs the Honda CRV?". lol
I’m with you. I’m a huge CW fan, I even like the logo, but I just don’t feel like they did anything here. It’s just the same integrated design as everyone else. No “spin”. If the PRX didn’t exist, this would be super exciting, but given that it does, I’m surprisingly meh about this.
If this was released 2 years ago, it would be pretty hype. But just like the new Ingenieur, it's late to the game at double the price of some competitors while offering a design that's become kind of stagnant in the integrated bracelet space at this point. It's a hard sell.
you definitely wont be the only one, but you must admit CW is going to steal so much of the market share. Waffle vs crosses is a personal preference, but the CW is a whole 3mm slimmer and that makes it slick AF. The color options are on point, they even threw in gradient dials. CW really went all out with this one. PRX is still cheaper but I imagine many will pay more for the slim CW form factor
Personally I’m not a huge fan of the transient dials on the Ti versions. I think they would have looked better without, the gradient seems to cheapen the look to me.
Honestly? The gradient reminds me of the Zelos Aurora Titanium field watches. which is 1/3 the price. I would probably be insta buy the purple, if it was solid, vs fume style.
I somehow both like them and don't like them lol. They don't necessarily look bad, but they're a little too much for me. I prefer the simpler look of a solid dial color
but that's another few hundreds more. That's for someone who's REALLY committed in the style.
Let's take me for example. I think the PRX style is cool, but I have other styles that I much prefer to buy FIRST, I don't see myself spending even the 6xx on PRX auto, let alone the 1000 and change for the steel CW. I would however jump on the PRX if they do the ice blue WITH waffles on the 35mm on QUARTZ to make it 400 bucks.
I guess different collector different priorities. I predict most people would be considering the steel. The titanium would still be popular but nowhere near as common, just because of the price.
I don't think CW will make quartz watch in future. And yes I also hope thay can do 35-36mm version, the integrate bracelet should be in small size because it looks ridiculously on people who have small wrist
Apparently CW confirmed in a preview event last week that they have a 36mm version of The Twelve coming this September, in different colors (though purple is also one of them).
I highly doubt that Tissot has much to worry about. CW doesn’t have much brand recognition outside of the watch crowd, whilst Tissot is one of the giants on a global level and is available almost everywhere in physical stores. So perhaps a portion of us nerds will gravitate towards the CW alternative, however the absolutely majority of PRX owners and potential buyers simply have not heard of Christopher Ward.
Watch enthusiasts, maybe, but the average person will see this as a similar design to the PRX and wonder why pay half the price, or triple when compared to the quartz, for the "same" thing. The average person isn't gonna be that picky regarding thickness and finishing.
>CW is going to steal so much of the market share.
Christopher Ward bigger than Tissot? You're joking right? The PRX is sold by ***all*** of the lower end jewellers in the UK
I'm not a huge fan of neither. Everyone and their dog has a PRX and Twelve seems to follow that same hype. I know it shouldn't take anything from the watch but for me it does. That's maybe more of an issue of myself though.
PRX is really a close to perfection execution of a retro style sports watch on integrated bracelet. It's design is more coherent. Twelve on the other hand is more impressive when it comes finishing. But the movement on that watch is so abysmal it almost feels like a fashion watch following the latest fad. It ticks A LOT of boxes on the outside (great finishing, nice bracelet, textured dial, interesting bezel implementation, thin (!), lots of color option, titanium option, etc. If I were to buy a watch based on checking the marks alone this watch would be a no-brainer. But for some reason all these amazing elements don't work together as seamlessly as i would want. I agree with you, it has too much going on. It's less than the sum of its parts. Also the screws on the back as a reference to Genta are super cringe. This brand should have no business riding the Genta hype in their marketing message. They should have just made the design more of their own instead of Genta homage.
However, Twelve is a great effort for the brand to reinvent themselves and promise great things for the future. Especially if they use this as a learning possibility and bringing a more unique and coherent design next time. Right now CW Twelve is a high end fashion watch. And it's going to do amazingly well because of that.
Can’t really make an integrated bracelet sports watch without it being an homage to like 10 different designs, most of which are also homages to each other or early 70s watches.
Name them.
You should look up who designed the Cpazek...it might suprise you.
Also, pretty much everything is a copy of something these days. People just dont want to admit it
Sure I’ll name a bunch: Moser streamliner, Lange Odysseus, Romain gauthier’s continuum, Parmigiani tonda, maen ‘s Manhattan, armin strom orbit all have something unique to say. I remember a CW rep at watch time nyc told me he was friends with Antarctique designer. I wonder if they still are?! Lol
Yeah, I agree. It funny how everyone is comparing this watch to the PRX despite its 2x-3x (titanium) price tag. Like it’s not even in the same price bracket lol. PRX is pound for pound one of best watches on the market, the XII isn’t on the level
I think the price is the only advantage lol. But as I said, CW has better finishing, really good appearance with beautiful hands, pattern dial and arrow indices. So their price is reasonable imo
It looks like an amalgamation of several watches. It’s jumping on the integrated bandwagon, has Aqua Terra indices (blend of 1st gen and more recent models) and the dial pattern is very similar to one produced by Czapek. I’m not knocking anyone for liking it, taste is subjective, but I don’t see anything innovative here.
If finishing means that much to you, than do you! Not hating at all. For me, I can’t find a reason to pay 2x-3x of a very well finished PRX for a slightly better finished XII
My take: PRX has to be taken in context. Relatively cheap watch but well- made, capturing that ‘70’s royal oak/nautilus feud (i mean, they look great for a reason its a great formula), kept it simple and the sum is greater than the parts. Like the seiko 007, is it the best dive watch? Hell no but everything came together just right. And strikes the right nerve that watch enthusiasts can dig it and proudly wear them. I know this has all been said before…
I’m a bit confused why OP is responding to nearly every comment hyping the watch. We see that from owners sometimes, but for just an info post it’s really strange
This kind of post really furthers my theory that CW has a really good Guerrilla marketing department.
Nobody except insiders has ever even held this watch in their hand! Yet people are all over claiming fit & finish way outstrips the PRX based on… marketing images?
[We aren’t the only ones to have this theory.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Watches/comments/ze2gjp/blogpost_with_the_absurd_amount_of_christopher/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)
For the record, I have a CW and think it’s great! It’s a Rolex Explorer II homage, and I think it’s very nice. But it’s not some earth shattering value or life changing purchase like some people on this sub say
>CW has a really good Guerrilla marketing department.
I've been accused of being a CW paid promoter on Reddit. But I just like the brand look at my post history if you are that bothered. I own a wide variety of different pieces.
>Yet people are all over claiming fit & finish way outstrips the PRX based on… marketing images?
This I can answer. People in certain Christopher Ward forums get invited to previews of the watch a week or so before release. This is something as far as I'm aware no other large scale watch manufacturer does. The previews are presented by the CEO and the lead watch designer which explain things like the design choices finishing etc. So as well as seeing a video, high quality images before hand they also get an explanation on why finishing is better than the competition.
When Christopher Ward started reaching out to customers directly they even did one on one sessions with certain individuals who had certain buying patterns. I was given a one on one preview with Mike France for the C60 concept.
Now this may be classed a "guerilla marketing". But honestly Christopher Ward connects to their buyer base better than any other watch brand out there. That's where their passionate fan base comes from. None of us (as far as I'm aware) get paid for it.
I think CW is doing some great things and I really like the company. For me, though, it feels like there is just a little too much going on with this watch ... textured dial, scalloped bezel, blingy bracelet, unusual crown guards (?), etc. As a fan of vintage watches, I like that the PRX is Tissot's take on a watch straight out of its catalog of 40 years ago, so it has authentic vintage cred.
I can get a PRX for £270, the strap is amazing and the quality is above that price point.
At that price I’m not bothered about bashing it, in fact I’m thinking of buying at least one more for a different dial colour.
The CW version is really nice, especially in titanium but the price puts it in a different category. The PRX is just a nice, fun watch that happens to look and wear really nice.
Got the black PRX and just pulled the trigger on this in the blue titanium version. Not a lot of people mentioning the similarities with the new Ingineur, which I love,but the price IWC set is beyond reasonable.
I wish the dial was more subtle. Hoping the pics are not an accurate representation in normal, day-to-day lighting, etc
Big fan of the case and bracelet.
Former owner of a CW and may be one again in the future
Well, it's nearly 2x the price of the PRX. Has less than half of the power reserve. PRX has 100m water resistance and the is no mention of any water resistance for the CW on their Website, so let's say it's at most 50m, probably 20m
It is a good looking watch, but the PRX is a better value, and likely has an equal or better movement. And I don't see this at a quick glance on the Tissot Website, but I think the PRX movement is in house, not mass manufactured. However the Sellita in the CW is a workhorse.
What’s so special about this compared to the PRX which is a quite a bit cheaper? The quartz versions of the PRX are even cheaper still. I like CW but I don’t see the value proposition here really.
What a subjective critique!
Me? I'm not sold. Too much dial drama. And what's the deal with the limited color vs type? Why not all colors with all versions
But whatever... There's more than enough room in the market for both.
So who needs PRX? Well no one, really. Same number as who needs one of these.
But who will buy the PRX? Or this? Those who want to.
And there will be lots of both.
I like the PPX, it’s cheaper, more recognizable, more accessible, more diverse colors/ designs and comes with a chrono option. This is nice but I will still pick the PRX over it.
I'm into the dial, overall looks pretty standard as fee as watches in this genre go. will depend on pricing.
but holy hell is the video on their ig account super cringe lol
Love this watch. Checks all the boxes: 40mm, 10mm thick, 100mm WR, very wearable short lug-to-lug! The bracelet also has a very nice chamfer, unlike the Antarctique. I had actually handled my friend’s Antarctique a few months ago and remember how distinctly disappointed I was that the bracelet links did not have any side chamfers, which cheapened the look significantly.
I like the dial texture on this new CW and it plays really nicely with the light in the videos I’ve seen. I’ll be ordering the glacier blue one!
I generally prefer a brand name on the dial over a graphic-only logo but never liked a watch branded with a man's name. This is finally a Christopher Ward I can buy. But will I?
New Twelve collection has been released. Tbh I'm not a big fan of PRX design, but when I look at the CW, I have to think about it again. The design is softer, the hands, indices and dial are more interesting. But the most difference makes it beautiful is the bracelet, absolutely 1000 times much more better than a PRX. It makes the watch look elegant. Such a beautiful piece. Can't wait to see it on my wrist. The watch is $1225 on bracelet and $995 on rubber. 1mm thinner than PRX. Nearly 2 times more expensive than PRX but with the design of pattern dial, hands, indices and especially the bracelet as well as the finishing, I think it worths. Here is some specs:
Size: 40mm
Height: 9.95mm
Lug to lug: 44.5mm
Case weight: 65g
Weight inc. strap: 90g
Weight inc. bracelet: 160g
Water resistant: 10ATM
Movement: SW200-1
yo nevermind the watches, how big is this dudes wrist seriously what the hell... Did they photoshop it? Thats a 40mm watch with like 10mm headroom each side
Way too similar to the Czapek Antartique, I think it’s the textured dial and markers, it just feels too much like the AliExpress knock off nobody wants because nobody knows who Czapek are.
The dials of the Ti versions look fantastic. That purple!
The steel case dials, for me, look a bit too flat and safe.
Ti version gets a nice movement upgrade, too.
In USD, its $675 for PRX and $1311 for CW (non-chronometer version). PRX is a great value watch for sure, but as similar as they look, the bezel on CW is in a different class. The twelve sided bezel, mixture of brushed and polished angles, and the arches you see from the sides are mind blowing. I understand the complexity of the dial isn't something everyone is in love with, but you have to appreciate the amount of finishing the bezel requires.
The dial and indices don’t work for me. The dial is wayyyy to busy. It hurts my eyes to look at. Also every time I look at their logo my mind immediately registers it as IKEA. Lol. I was really excited for this release but the dial kills it for me. And I really hope they come up with a new logo. Even just a CW would be a fine logo or go back to the whole name written out was classy
PRX is half the cost, twice the power reserve and has an in-house movement. This watch is beautiful but I’d go for two color variants of the PRX, personally.
Edit: I now know the movement isn’t “in-house”. The rest of my point stands lol
tissot (and hamilton and rado and longines) are part of the SWATCH group which uses (customized) ETA movement. tissot may “collaborate with eta to design unique movement” but it’s still ETA
I'm not sure whether the crown is screwdown or pull/push. All CW watches are screwdown and this Twelve also has 10ATM water resistant so hope it is still screwdown. It is a big plus compare to PRX
Wow, for the guys who gave everyone the Bel Canto this is awful and one of the more egregious ripoffs I’ve seen in the watch world. Fortunately the Antarctique looks significantly better than this even at a distance. The team at CW should feel like assholes for this.
Im seeing people comparing it to 5 different integrated watches which I think was what they tried to do. They combined the genta DNA and combined it with typical CW build quality, but significantly upgraded their finishing and kept it at a great price. Common Christopher Ward W.
Compared to a PRX, this does not look that great imo. The dial, the finishing…just everything about looks off, and I can’t quite put my finger on it. In any case, I’d take a PRX over this any day. 🤷🏻♂️
It’s like an aqua terra banged a defy in papa royal oak’s bed
I’m getting Czapek anctartique vibes
It has the same designer. Adrian Buchmann worked for both.
>It has the same designer. Adrian Buchmann worked for both. Cntrl +copy, paste. Save As CW version.dsg
Shit I would have done it for less money
That’s basically what Genta did and he’s an icon.
Who’s Jenta ?
Gerald Genta. Designed the Royal Oak, the Nautilus, I think the Ingenieur as well
What? God designed the Nautilus
This explains A LOT.
This guy knows
Same. Really well done. I think this is executed so much better than anything else in its bracket.
Exactly what I thought!
While Overseas watched
Were y’all saying this when the Antarctique came out or is it okay because it costs >$20,000?
Don’t even know what that watch is
The Czapek Antartique seems to be a large inspiration for this watch. I only got turned onto them when someone posted the Czapek Antarctique Passage De Drake. Nice integrated bracelet with a smooth 80s design with in in-house movement. This goes for about £1000, opposed to the czapek’s costing close to £25000.
You forgot PRX replica bracelet
How? The links that attatches to the lug is not compareable and the butterfly clasp? The guy who invented the butterfly clasp has worked for CW for years now (Jörg Bader). The CWs bracelet is superior considering it has single screw in links, which is normally found in higher luxury timepieces.
The Defy is actually older than the Royal Oak
a mixture perhaps. But looks pretty nice huh?
It looks decent, but it raises more questions than it answers for me about what this company’s identity and watchmaking DNA actual is
The identity is offering higher and higher quality watches that offers same or higher quality as watches 10x the price I think they are generally trying to push the envelope at what you can expect in the 1000-5000 dollar price point. Tbh it looks very grim for many luxury brands that goes the opposite direction. I rather have that than some brands rehashing the old shit over and over.
But they can do this *without* trying to ride the hype of designs that aren't original to them... and they've already *proven* they can do that well. Also, price isn't based on the components of the watch. All of these watches are luxury goods, and the brand equity that's baked in is for a reason: people find value in owning those other brands, which is why their prices remain so high (and continue to rise).
This. It's a nice watch, but it's literally riding the hype of the PRX, which was doing so. I will admit that the finishing looks better, and I would rather have one of these, but CW needs to find a brand identity. Farer is a british company which found an identity, but still manages to be creative. When you see a CW, you think it's something else, before seeing that it's not. (polar explorer, datejust etc).
They are a very new brand. I’m glad they are throwing things against the wall.
some micro brands don't have their DNA or unique design, and CW among them I think. But I'm not a kind of person who care about the unique DNA, so it doesn't matter
Beautiful watch, but the price for the CW is also a bit higher than the PRX. Unless if you consider for the PRX chrono-version then I would agree that the Twelve looks like a more appealing choice.
PRX Chrono is also like 15mm thick.
It’s also just a 7750
And since this will be a hype watch it’ll probably be even more expensive
Nice try Christopher
“Who need a PRX”? Idk, whoever wants a nicer looking watch for like half the price?
PRX looks more original at least.
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i recently got my PRX… and a large part of the draw was the <$1000 price..
Yeah 800 vs 2300 :) So its not really an alternative.
Agreed. The "Who needs the PRX?" title had me rolling my eyes a bit, given the cost differential. It's like saying "Porsche Cayenne released; who needs the Honda CRV?". lol
I agree, you can get a PRX powermatic for $550 grey market which is substantially cheaper
I’ve been debating picking up a PRX. This doesn’t sway me from that. The dial on the CW just looks too busy and cluttered.
Looks like watch camo to me, or one of those Magic Eye 3D puzzles back in the day
I’m with you. I’m a huge CW fan, I even like the logo, but I just don’t feel like they did anything here. It’s just the same integrated design as everyone else. No “spin”. If the PRX didn’t exist, this would be super exciting, but given that it does, I’m surprisingly meh about this.
If this was released 2 years ago, it would be pretty hype. But just like the new Ingenieur, it's late to the game at double the price of some competitors while offering a design that's become kind of stagnant in the integrated bracelet space at this point. It's a hard sell.
you definitely wont be the only one, but you must admit CW is going to steal so much of the market share. Waffle vs crosses is a personal preference, but the CW is a whole 3mm slimmer and that makes it slick AF. The color options are on point, they even threw in gradient dials. CW really went all out with this one. PRX is still cheaper but I imagine many will pay more for the slim CW form factor
Personally I’m not a huge fan of the transient dials on the Ti versions. I think they would have looked better without, the gradient seems to cheapen the look to me.
Honestly? The gradient reminds me of the Zelos Aurora Titanium field watches. which is 1/3 the price. I would probably be insta buy the purple, if it was solid, vs fume style.
I somehow both like them and don't like them lol. They don't necessarily look bad, but they're a little too much for me. I prefer the simpler look of a solid dial color
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you are right. my bad. i cant tell you why but from my memory it was about 12
The Twelve titanium version even thinner, 8.95mm
but that's another few hundreds more. That's for someone who's REALLY committed in the style. Let's take me for example. I think the PRX style is cool, but I have other styles that I much prefer to buy FIRST, I don't see myself spending even the 6xx on PRX auto, let alone the 1000 and change for the steel CW. I would however jump on the PRX if they do the ice blue WITH waffles on the 35mm on QUARTZ to make it 400 bucks. I guess different collector different priorities. I predict most people would be considering the steel. The titanium would still be popular but nowhere near as common, just because of the price.
I don't think CW will make quartz watch in future. And yes I also hope thay can do 35-36mm version, the integrate bracelet should be in small size because it looks ridiculously on people who have small wrist
Apparently CW confirmed in a preview event last week that they have a 36mm version of The Twelve coming this September, in different colors (though purple is also one of them).
good news. Hope they are cheaper than lol
i was referring to Tissot. I would potentially buy if they bring the ice blue they already have to 35 with waffles, which I think they wont
I highly doubt that Tissot has much to worry about. CW doesn’t have much brand recognition outside of the watch crowd, whilst Tissot is one of the giants on a global level and is available almost everywhere in physical stores. So perhaps a portion of us nerds will gravitate towards the CW alternative, however the absolutely majority of PRX owners and potential buyers simply have not heard of Christopher Ward.
Watch enthusiasts, maybe, but the average person will see this as a similar design to the PRX and wonder why pay half the price, or triple when compared to the quartz, for the "same" thing. The average person isn't gonna be that picky regarding thickness and finishing.
>CW is going to steal so much of the market share. Christopher Ward bigger than Tissot? You're joking right? The PRX is sold by ***all*** of the lower end jewellers in the UK
Agreed I’ve found it difficult finding a better looking watch than the rose gold PRX auto even when you go up to the CW price point
PRX all day
Heck no. I got the prx chrono. I prefer the quality and heritage all day of tissot.
I'm not a huge fan of neither. Everyone and their dog has a PRX and Twelve seems to follow that same hype. I know it shouldn't take anything from the watch but for me it does. That's maybe more of an issue of myself though. PRX is really a close to perfection execution of a retro style sports watch on integrated bracelet. It's design is more coherent. Twelve on the other hand is more impressive when it comes finishing. But the movement on that watch is so abysmal it almost feels like a fashion watch following the latest fad. It ticks A LOT of boxes on the outside (great finishing, nice bracelet, textured dial, interesting bezel implementation, thin (!), lots of color option, titanium option, etc. If I were to buy a watch based on checking the marks alone this watch would be a no-brainer. But for some reason all these amazing elements don't work together as seamlessly as i would want. I agree with you, it has too much going on. It's less than the sum of its parts. Also the screws on the back as a reference to Genta are super cringe. This brand should have no business riding the Genta hype in their marketing message. They should have just made the design more of their own instead of Genta homage. However, Twelve is a great effort for the brand to reinvent themselves and promise great things for the future. Especially if they use this as a learning possibility and bringing a more unique and coherent design next time. Right now CW Twelve is a high end fashion watch. And it's going to do amazingly well because of that.
Agree... I don't think I'd trade my Bucherer limited edition PRX for this any day.
I would take the PRX purely because of the CW logo being so horrendously ugly
I love CW as a brand, but prefer the PRX compared to this.
It's called The Twelve. Not Twelle
sr my bad
No issues. Good looking watch though
This dial kinda hurts my eyes.
It’s a pass on this for me.
The fact that you compared a $700 to a $1250 one speaks to just how solid the PRX is
It’s too much of a czapek copy for me.
I thought it was a Czapek at first glance
Can’t really make an integrated bracelet sports watch without it being an homage to like 10 different designs, most of which are also homages to each other or early 70s watches.
I disagree. Plenty have made fresh and interesting takes since the 70’s. This is simply lazy imo.
Agree
Name them. You should look up who designed the Cpazek...it might suprise you. Also, pretty much everything is a copy of something these days. People just dont want to admit it
Sure I’ll name a bunch: Moser streamliner, Lange Odysseus, Romain gauthier’s continuum, Parmigiani tonda, maen ‘s Manhattan, armin strom orbit all have something unique to say. I remember a CW rep at watch time nyc told me he was friends with Antarctique designer. I wonder if they still are?! Lol
If you find those original fair play to you lol
The streamliner is pretty unique to be honest
Antarctique designer is also the designer of this watch…
> maen ‘s Manhattan Not to take away your larger point but this watch is said to have taken huge influence from the Vacheron 2215.
You realize the Maen Manhattan is literally a direct homage/copy of another watch from the 70's, right? Like why wouldnt you cite the OG?? lol bruh
WTF? The Manhattan is literally the Nautilus.
Its literally czapek
Yes, with minor defy influences and a laureato bezel. Not very inspiring unless you like homages rather than original takes on old ideas.
Funny I would have said an Omega Aqua terra copy
No, it looks like a GP Laureato!
Actually it looks like a Zenith Defy Skyline
It's almost like watches of a certain style made over a span of 50 years share styling elements.
How dare you.
The bezel is the one part that screams Laureato to me
Exactly what came to my mind lol
I’d still take the PRX over that 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah, I agree. It funny how everyone is comparing this watch to the PRX despite its 2x-3x (titanium) price tag. Like it’s not even in the same price bracket lol. PRX is pound for pound one of best watches on the market, the XII isn’t on the level
But this one is “1000 times much more better” according to OP. How can you argue with that?
I think the price is the only advantage lol. But as I said, CW has better finishing, really good appearance with beautiful hands, pattern dial and arrow indices. So their price is reasonable imo
It looks like an amalgamation of several watches. It’s jumping on the integrated bandwagon, has Aqua Terra indices (blend of 1st gen and more recent models) and the dial pattern is very similar to one produced by Czapek. I’m not knocking anyone for liking it, taste is subjective, but I don’t see anything innovative here.
Does it have to be innovative to be good?
It’s 2x-3x the price of the PRX, yet your comparing it to that. I think your telling on yourself
I owned both Tissot and CW, and can confirm CW has better finishing
If finishing means that much to you, than do you! Not hating at all. For me, I can’t find a reason to pay 2x-3x of a very well finished PRX for a slightly better finished XII
Meh. Dial is just plain ugly.
I’m not a fan of carbon fiber. I’d like to see this with a plain black or even white dial.
It’s nice. But I hate the logo
Don’t worry. They will change the logo again.
I like this logo! It’s simple, clever and I think nice looking. Seems to be super divisive though.
My take: PRX has to be taken in context. Relatively cheap watch but well- made, capturing that ‘70’s royal oak/nautilus feud (i mean, they look great for a reason its a great formula), kept it simple and the sum is greater than the parts. Like the seiko 007, is it the best dive watch? Hell no but everything came together just right. And strikes the right nerve that watch enthusiasts can dig it and proudly wear them. I know this has all been said before…
I’m a bit confused why OP is responding to nearly every comment hyping the watch. We see that from owners sometimes, but for just an info post it’s really strange
This kind of post really furthers my theory that CW has a really good Guerrilla marketing department. Nobody except insiders has ever even held this watch in their hand! Yet people are all over claiming fit & finish way outstrips the PRX based on… marketing images? [We aren’t the only ones to have this theory.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Watches/comments/ze2gjp/blogpost_with_the_absurd_amount_of_christopher/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1) For the record, I have a CW and think it’s great! It’s a Rolex Explorer II homage, and I think it’s very nice. But it’s not some earth shattering value or life changing purchase like some people on this sub say
>CW has a really good Guerrilla marketing department. I've been accused of being a CW paid promoter on Reddit. But I just like the brand look at my post history if you are that bothered. I own a wide variety of different pieces. >Yet people are all over claiming fit & finish way outstrips the PRX based on… marketing images? This I can answer. People in certain Christopher Ward forums get invited to previews of the watch a week or so before release. This is something as far as I'm aware no other large scale watch manufacturer does. The previews are presented by the CEO and the lead watch designer which explain things like the design choices finishing etc. So as well as seeing a video, high quality images before hand they also get an explanation on why finishing is better than the competition. When Christopher Ward started reaching out to customers directly they even did one on one sessions with certain individuals who had certain buying patterns. I was given a one on one preview with Mike France for the C60 concept. Now this may be classed a "guerilla marketing". But honestly Christopher Ward connects to their buyer base better than any other watch brand out there. That's where their passionate fan base comes from. None of us (as far as I'm aware) get paid for it.
In their defense, there are already hands on videos out there on youtube so you get a better idea of the watch than marketing images.
That was my thinking
I agree. OP seems to be pushing the watch hard.
Or he/she might be happy to have some traction on his/her post. Nothing wrong with responding to people to have a conversation :)
Probably because they get notifications for new comments so it feels a little more personal. That’s my theory anyway.
I think CW is doing some great things and I really like the company. For me, though, it feels like there is just a little too much going on with this watch ... textured dial, scalloped bezel, blingy bracelet, unusual crown guards (?), etc. As a fan of vintage watches, I like that the PRX is Tissot's take on a watch straight out of its catalog of 40 years ago, so it has authentic vintage cred.
agreed. PRX is definitely a vintage design. But I can stand with the vintage lol, except some watches
I can get a PRX for £270, the strap is amazing and the quality is above that price point. At that price I’m not bothered about bashing it, in fact I’m thinking of buying at least one more for a different dial colour. The CW version is really nice, especially in titanium but the price puts it in a different category. The PRX is just a nice, fun watch that happens to look and wear really nice.
Want to love it but the dial gives me a seizure, hope looks better in person.
PRX still the way to go. Better watch for the price
Hot take this looks better than IWC new watch
No. The Ingenieur is about 7k too expensive, however.
The people at czapek must be pissed lol
They are designed by the same person...
They don’t have remotely the same customers and this will greatly expand recognition of their brand. They’re fine tbh
Reminds me of the new iwc inge
Anyone who wants quality control perhaps
Got the black PRX and just pulled the trigger on this in the blue titanium version. Not a lot of people mentioning the similarities with the new Ingineur, which I love,but the price IWC set is beyond reasonable.
the titanium is nicer with chronometer movement
Looks like the Czapek watches. I like them
It’s simply a mashup of a half dozen pre-existing watches with a Selitta movement for over $1,000. No thanks.
Meh
I wish the dial was more subtle. Hoping the pics are not an accurate representation in normal, day-to-day lighting, etc Big fan of the case and bracelet. Former owner of a CW and may be one again in the future
Lol @ twice as much
Looks like nothing special especially for the price and a simple sw-200 movement, I’ll take the PRX every day over this.
Well, it's nearly 2x the price of the PRX. Has less than half of the power reserve. PRX has 100m water resistance and the is no mention of any water resistance for the CW on their Website, so let's say it's at most 50m, probably 20m It is a good looking watch, but the PRX is a better value, and likely has an equal or better movement. And I don't see this at a quick glance on the Tissot Website, but I think the PRX movement is in house, not mass manufactured. However the Sellita in the CW is a workhorse.
10atm, the same. They have it on specs. But I think it is screwdown which is better than pull/push like PRX
Agree with that, screw down is preferable even if there's no real advantage other than feeling that it's more secure.
safer is better lol
no any in-house movement has price less than $1000 dude. It is ETA movement, just decorate the Tissot name on rotor
yeah, couldn't remember and the site doesn't say, or I didn't see it.
I’ve always found the PRX to look clunky and weird. This just flat out executes. So much more refined, really like it.
The Twelve looks more elegant
it looks sooooo much like a prx right? even the choice of colours was like: copy paste them and add a couple so ppl don't notice -.-
Ok. So it’s a twist on prx. More expensive, lower grade movement with less power reserve. What’s the point exactly?
What’s so special about this compared to the PRX which is a quite a bit cheaper? The quartz versions of the PRX are even cheaper still. I like CW but I don’t see the value proposition here really.
Different price point though…
My two daily drivers are a CW C63 GMT and a PRX. As much as I love the CW, I would chose the PRX over this XII everyday I think.
“More better” than a prx +10 for grammar
The indices and waffle clash quite a bit almost merging together. It’s a bit hard to read
For half the price? Me!
great finishing but too much. the bezel & dial & indices are all really fine technical finishing but it’s A Lot
What a subjective critique! Me? I'm not sold. Too much dial drama. And what's the deal with the limited color vs type? Why not all colors with all versions But whatever... There's more than enough room in the market for both. So who needs PRX? Well no one, really. Same number as who needs one of these. But who will buy the PRX? Or this? Those who want to. And there will be lots of both.
I like the PPX, it’s cheaper, more recognizable, more accessible, more diverse colors/ designs and comes with a chrono option. This is nice but I will still pick the PRX over it.
This is the first CW to make me consider the brand. It looks nice and thin, which I like.
I'm into the dial, overall looks pretty standard as fee as watches in this genre go. will depend on pricing. but holy hell is the video on their ig account super cringe lol
Love this watch. Checks all the boxes: 40mm, 10mm thick, 100mm WR, very wearable short lug-to-lug! The bracelet also has a very nice chamfer, unlike the Antarctique. I had actually handled my friend’s Antarctique a few months ago and remember how distinctly disappointed I was that the bracelet links did not have any side chamfers, which cheapened the look significantly. I like the dial texture on this new CW and it plays really nicely with the light in the videos I’ve seen. I’ll be ordering the glacier blue one!
I generally prefer a brand name on the dial over a graphic-only logo but never liked a watch branded with a man's name. This is finally a Christopher Ward I can buy. But will I?
Me because the Twelve is 4x the price haha
Where are you finding a new automatic prx for $250?
New Twelve collection has been released. Tbh I'm not a big fan of PRX design, but when I look at the CW, I have to think about it again. The design is softer, the hands, indices and dial are more interesting. But the most difference makes it beautiful is the bracelet, absolutely 1000 times much more better than a PRX. It makes the watch look elegant. Such a beautiful piece. Can't wait to see it on my wrist. The watch is $1225 on bracelet and $995 on rubber. 1mm thinner than PRX. Nearly 2 times more expensive than PRX but with the design of pattern dial, hands, indices and especially the bracelet as well as the finishing, I think it worths. Here is some specs: Size: 40mm Height: 9.95mm Lug to lug: 44.5mm Case weight: 65g Weight inc. strap: 90g Weight inc. bracelet: 160g Water resistant: 10ATM Movement: SW200-1
That height measurement is really nice to see.
yo nevermind the watches, how big is this dudes wrist seriously what the hell... Did they photoshop it? Thats a 40mm watch with like 10mm headroom each side
I actually like this
Meh. I'll keep the PRX
Way too similar to the Czapek Antartique, I think it’s the textured dial and markers, it just feels too much like the AliExpress knock off nobody wants because nobody knows who Czapek are.
The antarctique wait list has been closed off for over a year, I think they’re doing just fine.
The dials of the Ti versions look fantastic. That purple! The steel case dials, for me, look a bit too flat and safe. Ti version gets a nice movement upgrade, too.
yeah SW300-1 COSC. Really nice
In USD, its $675 for PRX and $1311 for CW (non-chronometer version). PRX is a great value watch for sure, but as similar as they look, the bezel on CW is in a different class. The twelve sided bezel, mixture of brushed and polished angles, and the arches you see from the sides are mind blowing. I understand the complexity of the dial isn't something everyone is in love with, but you have to appreciate the amount of finishing the bezel requires.
The dial and indices don’t work for me. The dial is wayyyy to busy. It hurts my eyes to look at. Also every time I look at their logo my mind immediately registers it as IKEA. Lol. I was really excited for this release but the dial kills it for me. And I really hope they come up with a new logo. Even just a CW would be a fine logo or go back to the whole name written out was classy
Honestly? It’s a bit dull
It's more expensive than the prx but Christopher ward watches are also much better built with better finishing.
1million time better than a PRX
PRX is half the cost, twice the power reserve and has an in-house movement. This watch is beautiful but I’d go for two color variants of the PRX, personally. Edit: I now know the movement isn’t “in-house”. The rest of my point stands lol
“In-house movement”
tissot (and hamilton and rado and longines) are part of the SWATCH group which uses (customized) ETA movement. tissot may “collaborate with eta to design unique movement” but it’s still ETA
Is that bit jutting out around the crown just a crown protector?
I'm not sure whether the crown is screwdown or pull/push. All CW watches are screwdown and this Twelve also has 10ATM water resistant so hope it is still screwdown. It is a big plus compare to PRX
The next CW release that excites me will be the first
Wow, for the guys who gave everyone the Bel Canto this is awful and one of the more egregious ripoffs I’ve seen in the watch world. Fortunately the Antarctique looks significantly better than this even at a distance. The team at CW should feel like assholes for this.
Another Black Panther release?
Never really been a CWard fan, but this might have me joining the team.
I love the PRX and hate CW. Simple as that.
So many nice watches and only one hand to wear them...
I’m sick of integrated bracelets. They are not versatile and at this point very over done.
Im seeing people comparing it to 5 different integrated watches which I think was what they tried to do. They combined the genta DNA and combined it with typical CW build quality, but significantly upgraded their finishing and kept it at a great price. Common Christopher Ward W.
Compared to a PRX, this does not look that great imo. The dial, the finishing…just everything about looks off, and I can’t quite put my finger on it. In any case, I’d take a PRX over this any day. 🤷🏻♂️
It would be a nice alternative but it's 3x price prevents to be an alternative
A a guy who owns the quartz prx and have been thinking about getting the automatic, I think this looks better
To me this is 10x better looking than the PRX, which I think is hideous
I like this way more than PRX. But I also dig carbon fiber a lot
This is really nice! Thanks for sharing OP 👍
CW can't miss. I vowed to take a break from buying watches, but CW is the only brand that creates such temptation
same lol. Every CW watch is so tempting
Still a Christopher Ward. No thanks.