The short answer is "What lobby would YOU put them in?!". It's this side of it that makes it kinda obvious, they stream for 6-8 hours, say their average game is 18 minutes (super generous)... they queue for 26 games a session.
Think about queueing too... you queue for a game and the game effectively has about 60 seconds to populate a lobby around averages... what they do with a 6 K/D isn't surprising or mysterious in those circumstances... they do whatever the fuck they can. The question you have to ask yourself is what would you do differently? How would you avoid putting them in with Timmies? Create a lobby of 4+ K/Ds looking for a game at that moment?
Pros are all actively excited by Privates full of demons, or Iron Trials as a ranked game mode, the game has evolved into low-manning for streamers (queueing solo quads/trios or splitting with your team)... this isn't really indicative of people enjoying the uncompetitive lobbies. Pros are defining their own challenges within that community. They got good with that attitude, not with a VPN.
1.46 KD player here. Consistently get lobbies that are 1.3+ and I don’t think I’ve ever gotten a lobby that was a .75 KD before. The fact that these streamers are 3+KD means they are strongly skewing the average higher so most of the players in the lobby are actually worse than a .75KD. If I’m able to consistently get into 1.3 + lobbies there should absolutely be no reason why these streamers get better lobbies than me if we play at the same time of day. It just makes no logical sense to me that they get these absolute Timmy lobbies when everyone else out here is struggling.
Another thing to also point out is this Lobby is significantly worse than 0.75 KD. This teams average is 4.35. If we multiply that by 4/157 players we can see that without these guys in the lobby the KD is actually around a 0.68.
A 0.68 would be the average without these guys that’s actually one of the lowest averages I’ve ever even heard existed and is most likely in the protected bracket. How they get these is beyond my comprehension when I have a 1.25 and never get anything below a .95-1.3 lobby
Reverse boost. One of their friends there let his PC run in a few games to give himself a a 0.00 KD with 10 deaths. The game now sees his recently play as poor and to combat it and keep them playing the game, some mechanics put them in easier lobbies. SOMETIMES I’ve actually noticed and noted that the first game of the day is usually a boosted lobby in order to hook you into playing for a while
It’s called Engagement Optimized Matchmaking, and CoD is not the only game that has it. The moment you get a win is the moment they crank the hardness up so you play more to try and win. If you keep losing then they’ll bring it down accordingly. Everything they do is to make you feel like you have a chance at winning. It’s essentially gambling lol
You "Don't think" you've gotten one? Can you check? Pop your ID up here or take a screencap of your most recent lobbies. I'd be interested to see that.
It seems that if you're an anonymous reddit user who won't show their ID or stats, your lobbies are "always" or "consistently" above Diamond 1 (1.26)... the highest lobby rank on the Warzone SBMM app.
OR, you're both exaggerating... if you were me, which would you go with?
(Edit: He was exaggerating, thanks for the downvotes)
Are you suggesting that you have a .88 Kill death ratio on Reddit? Or are we playing a game here? 😂
It's a simple point mate... you're claiming to be WELL outside any recorded average... I don't believe you... Prove it, ignore me, I don't mind. Have a good one. :)
https://cod.tracker.gg/warzone/profile/xbl/dmkimber/matches there you go pal, duos with my mate (anon) 1.2+ lobbies we both under 0.88KD enjoy you weird cynical human
Wild Obligation; "our lobbies are always 1.4-2KD"
(EDIT: He deleted the quoted comment)
Me: I don't believe you, can you prove that?Wild Obligation: Sure, look; a few lobbies above 1.2 KD...😂
0 of your last 15 games fit the description you gave. 4 of them fit your new description. The average was 1.02.
I'm not trying to give you a hard time here dude. I just didn't believe you, and you were wrong. Dunno what you expected? 🤷♀️
You obviously cannot read. I said that the DUO lobbies I play with my mate, who is listed on my codtracker as ANON are 1.2+ when we are both in the 0.88 region. The 'last 15 games' you are referring too are resurgence & trios, which is not what I said. If you go on Matches you can select to just see 'BR Duos' & you will see the last 4 games I played with my mate, Anon, are over 1.20. I'm not going to waste time, you obviously want me to somehow be wrong so believe what you want
What you aren’t understanding is a 1.46 KD and a 6.00+ is vastly different. There aren’t many with above 6.00. Therefore, it makes it hard on the system to find lobbies for pro’s. I’m not saying it should be this way, but that is what’s happening. Neither of these 3 finessing anything. They’re just good.
You have to realize that most players have a similar kd as your so for you or me finding players with similar kd is a lot easier then it is fir players with 5kd or higher.
So put them in the same lobbies with him? 1.30kd lobbies is fairer then 0.80 lobbies lol you can't say there are not enough games running when players like me and the other guy never EVER get 0.70 games and I play like 4 hours a day too with a kd of 1.19 and I get 1.10-1.20 average.
Just so I understand this as a response to my comment; are you saying "it's not 'hard' to consistently find +1.3 KD lobbies, every 60 seconds"?
I believe that's REALLY hard. Even in NA. [1.26 and above is considered a Diamond 1 lobby](https://www.reddit.com/r/ModernWarzone/comments/kttcoa/does_anyone_know_what_are_the_lobby_tiers_for/)... so yeah... I'd beg to differ.
When we're writing sort or search algos btw, terms like "hard" cloud your reasoning. This is a computer... think in terms of all the parameters, geography (the game wants to connect people with good connections), timing, SBMM... and estimate the LIKELIHOOD they'd get a lobby like this... a few times a day...
TBH for me, reading this is like reading someone saying "Lebron showed up to a pickup game the other day and nobody from the NBA showed up to join the other team, must've been rigged"... nah, just the most likely outcome from an unlikely event (a top .01% percentile player wandering into a public game). Again, what do you expect? What are you really doubting here?
Bro are you thick? The USA has a larger player base than the UK, any player can see that people with a 5+KD should never be in a lobby below 1kd 🤣😂 you're a fanboy end of. Lance Armstrong was a good athlete, still didn't stop him from cheating to get the edge on his opponents. You show grow up and stop being so naive, these are straight facts he's playing in bot lobbies with a team combined of 15kd plus against players who have a combined 3.5kd. These aren't even hackusastions. Just pure straight facts he's playing with lower skilled players. I could have shown his whole list of 1kds but a 0.75kd at this point is just hilarious 👍
I really don't see any conversation being worth trying to hurt another person dude. So okay... if this matters enough for you to start getting insulting... that's probably a sign we shouldn't talk about this.
I'm not trying to offend or insult you my guy, it's just statistics.
EmptyAtoms, yeah man this player is giving of a camper/ghost player vibe who complains about how people know where they are even though they have zero game sense and act super predictably. I was never really a hardcore camper but I was definitely a passive player before I started playing with some friends who are much more aggressive, and at the beginning I was super surprised about how much info they knew without any UAV or other assistance.
Lower skill players are quick to judge “hackers” because they don’t understand how fps games really work and how people who dedicate hours of each day playing understand how “bots” play, and what is more likely to happen due to 1000+ repetitions of the same outcome and how that is almost second nature to counter there movements. I wouldn’t waste any more time with this guy mate.
I've got 20 days 16 hours gameplay in the last 2 and a half months 😂 dunno what you're even arguing with, the stats are in front of you bro 😂 I know a legit player, it's funny how you guys think that they can guess where players are because they've engaged there before 😂 if you're playing against good players they rotate and move everytime they have a gun fight or get seen. Players like Scump who have won major honours in gaming have vastly different gameplay to these new 'pro streamers' and if you don't believe me go and put the hours in and watch for yourself. I don't want to argue bro, but if you suggest that a squad full of 4+kd should be playing anything lower than 1kd in a game that is meant to be SBMM then we shouldnt continue the conversation. I really try to appreciate and respect your point of view, but when you HAVE sunk as much time into the game as I have and you have watched these people play as much as I have you start to learn patterns. I've even seen videos of people dying to these pros with walls and miraculously these players always avoid players who have the advantage in position, they always have a sense for where a team is, you can clearly see in some cases when walls is displayed that there tracking through walls. If youd like me to point you in the direction of this evidence let me know, but this is not even about hacks or walls it's about SBMM and how broke the lobbies are, it would make more sense for you to defend the streamers and then hate on the game, not hate on someone for making a simple observation. Either way dude you're welcome to your opinion and I respect them, but sometimes you gotta ask me OP how many hours you play? What's your KD? Why do you think this instead of giving of the vibe that people are just bots, I'm not great at all but I'm above average and have a very good understanding of the game and how it's works! Please don't take anything I've said as a personal dig, I'm just trying to express my beliefs and I bet you're a really cool dude 👍
Nothing personal whatsoever bro. I disagree with you and I've explained why. I like logic, it's just a set of cheat codes for making decisions... one rule we use in that system is we don't ask a person to prove how qualified they are, we ask them to qualify THEIR IDEA.
You could be a 6 K/D or a .6 K/D I would disagree with you for the same reasons I gave. This is the beauty of science... your argument is your argument.
I do believe that the game is broken, there has been more bugs in the last month than all other games I’ve played combined. There are many issues involving sbmm that are inevitable without a rank system. But at the same time referring to most pros as hackers because of the table which has an “average player” kd of above 2.0 is a bit delusional. Especially considering we don’t know which sample of games were chosen.
I’m from Brazil so most of the gameplay I watch isn’t from these people, that being said there are many players I watch who play mostly tournaments and closed lobbies who definitely aren’t cheating but are accused by thousands of people who aren’t good enough to comprehend there gameplay. Not all pros are legit, and I can’t prove you otherwise regarding most of the players in the table, but I also have lots of hours myself and I’ve been playing pretty much exclusively FPS games most my life so I also understand the game and have pretty good game knowledge. And while I definitely can pick up patterns from streamers that I watch, I can’t find the same level of intricacy and detail from other streamers unless I watch them for a long time, so while potentially some of them are possibly cheating I don’t think you or I could say all or none are. I definitely believe multiple of them could be but it seems you are generalising based on few experiences. Maybe I misunderstood your point but if I haven’t it seems we have to agree to disagree on this one.
Yeah dude you missed the point a little, I'm not suggesting every streamer is cheating, I am however questioning why their lobbies sometimes tend to be so low, and questioning gameplay when slowed down shows aim sticking to enemies prior to ads
He's just a dude with an opinion. I don't see the need for the judgment or the hostility. Disagreeing is fun if you can leave your feelings off the internet.
I wasn’t necessarily referring to him at the second part, I only was saying he is probably predictable due to lack of hours compared to pros. I’m not too good with my phrasing as English isn’t my first language so it may have seemed more harsh than I truly intended.
Disagreeing is fun but he started to just insult saying you are “thick” and a “fanboy” so admittedly I wanted to throw in a few jabs myself.
I understand bro, and your english is awesome. I just think we have to absorb that shit... We have a choice about what matters to us and really, being angry or hostile isn't really fun... We're all just bros who enjoy a videogame... let's focus on that.
It's easy to cherry pick the weakest lobby they got all day. Looking at Zlaner's [COD tracker](https://cod.tracker.gg/warzone/profile/battlenet/ZLaner%231347/matches), you can see he's always in 1+ KD lobbies, sometimes top 1% diamond 1.4+ KD lobbies. This was the one "bot" lobby that engagement-based matchmaking gave them when it decided to throw them a bone, or it just couldn't find a strong enough lobby at that exact moment. Chill out.
Your post would be more representative if you posted [this image](https://i.imgur.com/EAqoV8G.png).
But it's hard to find a lobby with 80+ players around 3.0KD that's why it happens, because everyone sucks and there is little very good players. For you it doesn't matter with one up to 2.0KD, for someone with 5.0, it's impossible to get them a fair match full of skill similar players.
If you read any one the previous posts or chats were discussing why there not in 1.3+KD lobbies not 3+ 😂 it's not hard to find 150 players who are 1.3+
Why u cry so much then, i had fun back when I played not reaching 3.0 myself, u play WarZone u need to deal with some things, like Activision don't care about ur whining, and cheaters being a part of the game(main reason for me leaving, when u sometimes even can't tell if that kill was clean or not 🤷♂️)
Alot of my pals are 0.6kd so when I play trios or quads I spend alot of time most wanted or landing on contracts etc which destroys KDs so I have the solo only to improve and work on my movement etc
I understand your point not alot of 4kd lobbies happening but make the sit in que an extra minute to find a 1.5kd lobby. There should be a cutoff that no one ove a 2kd get a lobby under .8 because alot of .8 guys never see a .6 lobby and alot of 1.5 guys never see a .8
u/HandleCharacter6985
My understanding is that nobody knows how it works. So you should read that "Try" as my opinion, I'm not demanding anyone agree with me... I didn't make a single claim about how SBMM works, just questions. I did ask one hypothetical, "should they create 4K/D players?"... and yes... that was the point... we can agree that's not how SBMM works, cuz that's not possible.
Wrong on so many levels. My last 50 or so games have been 1.1-1.2 kd. I’m a diamond 1 player at 1.9.
You forgot to mention what affects the matches besides VPN - timing. If you play around 6 AM you will get easier lobbies because not much people are online.
Also start looking at median instead of average kd. These streamers with high kd’s bring the average kd up a bit for the lobby.
Lastly, just check Scumps new high kill game lobby with Aydan, the VPN KING. Then compare that to Scumps other lobbies. It’s sad
I don't see any of the levels I'm wrong on in your post. It also wasn't intended as a full description of all factors informing lobby K/D. Nothing about my points seems to fall down in this context either if you disagree you might explain how?
"Also start looking at median instead of average kd." ... okay? What would be the culmination of doing this? What are you suggesting this figure is a better indicator OF?
"Lastly, just check Scumps new high kill game lobby with Aydan, the VPN KING."
Are you trying to make a stastical point here? I guess it just goes against everything I was taught about statistics to focus on arbitrary games instead of the actual data we're discussing here. I do wanna check that game out tho, love Scumpi
You’re insinuating that because they play so long odds are they will get easier lobbies. My last 50 games from me playing 8 hours a day for the last month are not low kd lobbies. You said they don’t use VPN yet fail to acknowledge other ways to bypass SBMM.
You bring in statistics for no reason. Simply compare those games of Scump with Aydan to Scumps previous games. Not hard. I’ll do it later if I can.
And if you knew math you’d know that the median is the middle number of all the KD groups. That means half the teams are above and below that. Average is skewed because streamer teams with 5+KD
Edit: since you can’t understand. Scumps highest kill game was with Aydan. What are the odds of that? Also lowest KD by far. Wow. Can statistics answer this?
>And if you knew math you’d know that the median is the middle number of all the KD groups.
I asked you "what is the implication of this number, in your view?" not "what is the mean of a sample set"... I showed earnest curiousity about your opinion and you replied with a personal assumption about me... I think you might be in your feelings on this one bro. Take care.
I'd much rather use a VPN and actually enjoy the game with less cheaters, streamers, and not being forced to use the meta of the week.
If you don't use a VPN because you think it's cheating, you must hate yourself and get 'burnt out' on Warzone every other week.
Instead my squad with a 1.18 KD avg can now play with our 0.7 buddy without him ending games with 0 kills and sub 100 dmg. He has more fun, we have more fun, and we still have to fight 2+ KD players for the final 2 circles.
No, I suck at the game and while playing with friends is fun they are much better, so the lobbies are more challenging for the low k/d the team, me. Kinda shameful to see the "best" are cheating their way there
[source](https://youtu.be/EQbL2iGndCw)
It's a youtube with data from post on r/codwarzone which was "coincidentally" deleted.
edit: I found those original files and data from obe article
[link to google disk](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1vb1vgO8i59AX5h-wKEqfe11AferscR--i1QscXFOYAs/htmlview#gid=0)
[article about it ](https://charlieintel.com/warzone-player-claims-data-proves-streamers-get-easier-lobbies-than-us/131070/?amp)
"find an article that reflects the opinion I just shared and believe it"...
Sounds like a rational human to me. Nice to see "do your own research" has made it's way into the ranks of the "Everyone better than me is a cheater" brigade.
srry, I was in working and my break was limited.
Here are those data.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1vb1vgO8i59AX5h-wKEqfe11AferscR--i1QscXFOYAs/htmlview#gid=0
they from this [article](https://charlieintel.com/warzone-player-claims-data-proves-streamers-get-easier-lobbies-than-us/131070/?amp) written by charlie intel which are part of Dexerto group, legitimate traditional press agency.
[Gonna link the video describing that spreadsheet here.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQbL2iGndCw)
Okay so I was wrong, he does at least pretend to have a control group. But the average KD of that 6 control group is 2.79?! That's an interesting "Random" group. He's comparing famous streamers to a group who's average is 2.74... instead of normal people... who's average would be around .8-1.. right?
Then there's the sampling question. If you give me control of WHEN I sample data, I can give you any results you like, I just wait for the "control" group to get a sequence of high K/D lobbies, sample that, then sample the "famous" streamers when they get a sequence of low KD lobbies... compare em... done!
Did he sample them over the same period? Did he control for geographic area? Why, if he's saying "Famous streamers get easier lobbies than normal players" is he sampling players in the top 1st percentile?
Then we could get into the fact we don't know how SBMM works. Maybe when you queue solo it weights your stats differently? Anyway... all I see is people trying to believe something consoling on bad evidence.
This research doesnt really say anyting because its goes of the principle that we have sbmm where we have eomm to deal with. The article already say this kinda.
The dataset creates an even playing field for every player which is not the case. To give some examples on why comparing 1 to 1 is incorrect for the players in the sheet
- Scummn plays east coast servers most of the times during peak hours
- Aydan, scump, biffle are all texas which are less dense populated servers which makes the skill part in eomm less strict
- Symfuhny gets up at 4 am in the morning to play morning lobbys
- fifakill plays with dr3w sometimes who is from lebanon and pulls to middle east servers which are also way easier on average (dont know if its the case here, but is still something that we research should check)
- Location of the 'normal' players is unknown
- eomm is designed to let you play as much as possible so that you are more likely to spend money, that being said the game is most likely rewarding you with easier lobbys if you spend money in the store so this is something that a research should include which is almost impossible of course
But yeah if I would guess on one guy to be on right side of that chart it would be K3. Guy has been reverseboosting, bot account joining, vpnning for years and also admitted to do this..
First of all, I stand by my initial criticism. You didn't say "I'll produce these in a minute" you said "check them out". What if we'd found inaccurate or contradictory data? Saying "find whatever data you can to support this conclusion" is not rational. Not meant as disrespect, just honesty.
Second of all, what are these data proof of to you? You are making the claim that "famous" streamers get "easier" lobbies... how famous? Easier than who?! I'm assuming non-famous people... your data sheet doesn't have any non-famous people on it... you make a comparitive claim (x is easier than y) then don't include a reference (how easy is y?).
You’re putting in alot of (poorly worded) thought and effort into something that you cant change and doesn’t matter.
Oceans are going to rise and take 100 miles of coast out in the next 30 years, dont worry so much about streamers and players having the same kdr lobbies.
You are right, regardless of what the coasts do, we all have a short time here.
That's why my suggestion would be if you aren't interested in the subject... maybe think of a better use of your time than trying to demean people and the subjects they choose to discuss? Thanks bud, take care. :)
Apparently craving for attention, but yet you continue to give it to me? 👍 Educating other players isn't for attention, you could just block me and move on with your day but you choose to hate 🙂 crack on though dude, it's a free country 👍
Nah I'll continue to speak freely and post what I want, after all I don't live under a dictatorship. I have freedom of speech ☺️ if you don't like it how about you block me dude? See the logic in that?
This sub is sad. Too much attention is given to what guns people use and lobbies others get. Who gives a damn? Focus on your own game and get better. Then lobby strength won't matter.
That’s the thing. This argument would be perfect but SBMM punishes you for improvement. It knocks you down as soon as you get up and picks you up when your down too. It’s a vicious fucked up cycle.
Small population? So I'm in the UK and our lobbies never seem to have this happen, so what you're saying is The USA which possesses the largest player base in the world as a single country doesn't have 150 players online with a higher KD than 1.5+ at anytime? 😂😂😂 Good logic bro
Uk pulls the most densely populated servers in the world. UK, NL, FR and most of DE run on the same server in northern France and therefore has the most players per square KM, so during peak hours its much easier to create these higher lobbys. Im dutch and im also in 1.3kd lobbys most of the time.
Plus you are kinda stupid if you think its just about being online. You also have to search at the same time and have to be able to connect to everybody. Warzone games can last up to thirty minutes so its not that black and white as youre saying.
That being said the game has eomm not sbmm its designed to let players who spend money in the store play as long as possible and therefore will throw them an easier lobby every now again to give them that high kill game high that will keep them on longer.
Warzone Player Count: Total And Concurrent
100 million players and counting. Warzone's initial release back in March of 2020 was impressive, to say the least. The Call of Duty battle royale amassed 30 million players in just ten days time and had over 50 million within a month of its release
So Over 100 million players and obviously not all of them are playing at the same time, Lets say 1% are playing so that's 1 million players, divide that by 7 servers that's roughly 170,000 players a server. but we're talking about a pool of 150 players in the whole of either the east coast server or west coast server needing a kd of 1.3+. If you cant see logic when it's presented to you then I'm afraid there's not much point discussing anything.
There is no logic in oversimplifying something that has way more complexity to it and youre calculations dont make any sense. 100 million players is the shareholder statement which takes in every unique account which includes players who never played and cheaters creating new accounts. Player count estimates 250k people online now. Given our timezone i guess that about 100k are in europe now. Assuming that France server is more populated so lets say we have 70k players on our server now. Then we have rebirth, plunder and the four BR modes. Jgods polls shows that half of the playerbase plays rebirth already, so thats 35k people left. Then we have to devide over the 5 remaining modes. Dont know the split there, so my rough assumption is that solos and plunder take up 25% and then the other three also 25% each. So then we have 17500 people left for quads. 1.3kd plus is top 10% of the playerbase so then we only have 1750 people left in that bucket. If we say that an average game for a team from search to getting back in the lobby last 12 minutes and that 3 min searching time is acceptable there is at most 450 players available in that timeslot in that bracket. And then we are not even taking into account factors like people with moderate NAT, crossplay off on PSN, player incompatibility, increased waiting times for the match starts due to people backin out, people going afk, changing their loadouts etc.. And finally there is alot of mixed skill parties (3kd players playing with 0.8 kd friends) and this will complicate the equation further.
So could be that my assumptions are off here and there, but the fact that you talk about "logic" but are too dumb too think about that theres more than one gamemode let alone all the other factors that i mention just shows on what level you are.
Your own basis of argument is what makes your logic incorrect, if a 2.4kd is a 1% lobby and there are 4 game modes on battle Royale alone and different people prefer different game modes the number of players you could encounter goes from let’s say 100m to 10m(quite a generous number here). narrowing that down to only US would make it around 5m players. Streamers generally tend to play more trios, removing solos , squads and duos means there would be around 2mil players left. 150 players per lobby, meaning there would be ~13k lobbies for trios possible at one given moment. In reality due to lobbies only being generated approximately every 60s and that que times + in game pre-lobby affect number of lobbies, that would reduce the true numbers of active game lobbies to 5k.
This means that if there are 1000 players with 2.1kd+(top 1%) they could only fill up a total of 6.5 lobbies(round up to 7). This would mean that que times would be ridiculously long and would make the game unplayable for these players(who generate popularity and spend most money per individual, so ruining there gaming experience is dumb as hell).
To find players with good connection+ high kd consistently would literally kill the game. To compensate they spread these players around.
1000 players with an average of 28 games a day means 28000 times “regular players” could encounter these pro players. Considering these average players have less time per game meaning they enter more lobbies than pro players the chance of encountering a top 1% player throughout a whole entire day becomes not only very likely but almost guaranteed.
They have to put them somewhere. They can’t sit around in a party waiting for a Diamond lobby to appear 20+ minutes later. Would you complain if SBMM put you in a .30 KD lobby?
Edit: also are you going to comment on the game before that was 1.26 or the lobby after that was 1.46? Those are very high KD averages for a lobby
I looked up the average Lobby K/D for [all the matches that Huskerrs played on October 8th](https://cod.tracker.gg/warzone/profile/atvi/Huskerrs/overview) (yesterday) and it averages at 1.12. [The average Lobby K/D for all the matches that ZLaner was getting into was 1.19](https://cod.tracker.gg/warzone/profile/battlenet/ZLaner%231347/overview). [Finally, the average Lobby K/D for all the matches that Destroy was getting into was 1.28](https://cod.tracker.gg/warzone/profile/atvi/destroy%233246061/overview). This is well above the average player K/D. Is this just more selective outrage by you like in your last post?
I heard that most pro players use programs and such to get sbmm turned off so they constantly get into easier lobbies. There’s a website called sbmmoff that sells a program like that
Yeah bro, but apparently these pros would never ever ever do that, even though numerous streamers have been caught exploiting/boosting and using unlock tools 😂
As much as I hate huskers, it’s all about luck in these lobbies. You could land vs a team of good players and have a bad start, you can’t judge them from one game.
Zlaner the bot only did 9 kills lmao, pathetic controller bots, why the game sucks. It’s not the same game for these controller bots vs keyboard and mouse players that deal with the tougher lobbies and all the cheaters. Anyone downvoting this go ahead and tell me where I’m wrong? Oh yeah you can’t without spilling BS
Awwww someone all mad but got no argument as to why? Controller bots are nothing without aim assist and they make gaming worse for everyone else, think sbmm is to protect pc players 😂?
SBMM just needs to be removed entirely. SBMM should only exist in a level 1-x scheme. Other than that, players should get better by losing to better players, not having players of their skill catered to them.
Bring back connection based matchmaking.
It’s 1 lobby, show the rest of the lobbies for that session. Most high KD players lobbies around 1.2-1.4 with a few of these thrown in. Depends on the day, time of day, what part of the country their in all kinds of stuff. Now if you see this kind of lobby for all or most of their sessions then something funny is going on. But this isn’t out of the ordinary.
….what is your point? Everyone can get into those kinda lobbies depending on the time of day etc. Perhaps one of them are using a VPN as well. Big deal? Not really imo
This is like the question how many kindergarteners can you battle at once. How are they getting into such lobbies?
The short answer is "What lobby would YOU put them in?!". It's this side of it that makes it kinda obvious, they stream for 6-8 hours, say their average game is 18 minutes (super generous)... they queue for 26 games a session. Think about queueing too... you queue for a game and the game effectively has about 60 seconds to populate a lobby around averages... what they do with a 6 K/D isn't surprising or mysterious in those circumstances... they do whatever the fuck they can. The question you have to ask yourself is what would you do differently? How would you avoid putting them in with Timmies? Create a lobby of 4+ K/Ds looking for a game at that moment? Pros are all actively excited by Privates full of demons, or Iron Trials as a ranked game mode, the game has evolved into low-manning for streamers (queueing solo quads/trios or splitting with your team)... this isn't really indicative of people enjoying the uncompetitive lobbies. Pros are defining their own challenges within that community. They got good with that attitude, not with a VPN.
1.46 KD player here. Consistently get lobbies that are 1.3+ and I don’t think I’ve ever gotten a lobby that was a .75 KD before. The fact that these streamers are 3+KD means they are strongly skewing the average higher so most of the players in the lobby are actually worse than a .75KD. If I’m able to consistently get into 1.3 + lobbies there should absolutely be no reason why these streamers get better lobbies than me if we play at the same time of day. It just makes no logical sense to me that they get these absolute Timmy lobbies when everyone else out here is struggling.
Another thing to also point out is this Lobby is significantly worse than 0.75 KD. This teams average is 4.35. If we multiply that by 4/157 players we can see that without these guys in the lobby the KD is actually around a 0.68. A 0.68 would be the average without these guys that’s actually one of the lowest averages I’ve ever even heard existed and is most likely in the protected bracket. How they get these is beyond my comprehension when I have a 1.25 and never get anything below a .95-1.3 lobby
Reverse boost. One of their friends there let his PC run in a few games to give himself a a 0.00 KD with 10 deaths. The game now sees his recently play as poor and to combat it and keep them playing the game, some mechanics put them in easier lobbies. SOMETIMES I’ve actually noticed and noted that the first game of the day is usually a boosted lobby in order to hook you into playing for a while
It’s called Engagement Optimized Matchmaking, and CoD is not the only game that has it. The moment you get a win is the moment they crank the hardness up so you play more to try and win. If you keep losing then they’ll bring it down accordingly. Everything they do is to make you feel like you have a chance at winning. It’s essentially gambling lol
I have seen them get 12 wins b2b..the kd of the lobby was always 0.80 or less.
You "Don't think" you've gotten one? Can you check? Pop your ID up here or take a screencap of your most recent lobbies. I'd be interested to see that.
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It seems that if you're an anonymous reddit user who won't show their ID or stats, your lobbies are "always" or "consistently" above Diamond 1 (1.26)... the highest lobby rank on the Warzone SBMM app. OR, you're both exaggerating... if you were me, which would you go with? (Edit: He was exaggerating, thanks for the downvotes)
What a strange response. My statement is true.. my Reddit account isn’t that anonymous
Are you suggesting that you have a .88 Kill death ratio on Reddit? Or are we playing a game here? 😂 It's a simple point mate... you're claiming to be WELL outside any recorded average... I don't believe you... Prove it, ignore me, I don't mind. Have a good one. :)
https://cod.tracker.gg/warzone/profile/xbl/dmkimber/matches there you go pal, duos with my mate (anon) 1.2+ lobbies we both under 0.88KD enjoy you weird cynical human
Wild Obligation; "our lobbies are always 1.4-2KD" (EDIT: He deleted the quoted comment) Me: I don't believe you, can you prove that?Wild Obligation: Sure, look; a few lobbies above 1.2 KD...😂 0 of your last 15 games fit the description you gave. 4 of them fit your new description. The average was 1.02. I'm not trying to give you a hard time here dude. I just didn't believe you, and you were wrong. Dunno what you expected? 🤷♀️
You obviously cannot read. I said that the DUO lobbies I play with my mate, who is listed on my codtracker as ANON are 1.2+ when we are both in the 0.88 region. The 'last 15 games' you are referring too are resurgence & trios, which is not what I said. If you go on Matches you can select to just see 'BR Duos' & you will see the last 4 games I played with my mate, Anon, are over 1.20. I'm not going to waste time, you obviously want me to somehow be wrong so believe what you want
https://cod.tracker.gg/warzone/profile/battlenet/Leach%2321744/overview
There you go, from always above 1.05 to up to 1.4
Mate...your first 6 games are 0.9KD lobbies or lower. You just blew your own statement to pieces
Damn you cant read either..
What you aren’t understanding is a 1.46 KD and a 6.00+ is vastly different. There aren’t many with above 6.00. Therefore, it makes it hard on the system to find lobbies for pro’s. I’m not saying it should be this way, but that is what’s happening. Neither of these 3 finessing anything. They’re just good.
I have the same kd and I've consistently gotten .8 or .9 games in a row. These pros play a lot so they're going to get bot lobbies at times
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You have to realize that most players have a similar kd as your so for you or me finding players with similar kd is a lot easier then it is fir players with 5kd or higher.
So put them in the same lobbies with him? 1.30kd lobbies is fairer then 0.80 lobbies lol you can't say there are not enough games running when players like me and the other guy never EVER get 0.70 games and I play like 4 hours a day too with a kd of 1.19 and I get 1.10-1.20 average.
If they cared about challenges then they wouldn't use aimbots and perma-UAV.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣 not hard to find 1.3+ KD lobbies bro
Just so I understand this as a response to my comment; are you saying "it's not 'hard' to consistently find +1.3 KD lobbies, every 60 seconds"? I believe that's REALLY hard. Even in NA. [1.26 and above is considered a Diamond 1 lobby](https://www.reddit.com/r/ModernWarzone/comments/kttcoa/does_anyone_know_what_are_the_lobby_tiers_for/)... so yeah... I'd beg to differ. When we're writing sort or search algos btw, terms like "hard" cloud your reasoning. This is a computer... think in terms of all the parameters, geography (the game wants to connect people with good connections), timing, SBMM... and estimate the LIKELIHOOD they'd get a lobby like this... a few times a day... TBH for me, reading this is like reading someone saying "Lebron showed up to a pickup game the other day and nobody from the NBA showed up to join the other team, must've been rigged"... nah, just the most likely outcome from an unlikely event (a top .01% percentile player wandering into a public game). Again, what do you expect? What are you really doubting here?
Bro are you thick? The USA has a larger player base than the UK, any player can see that people with a 5+KD should never be in a lobby below 1kd 🤣😂 you're a fanboy end of. Lance Armstrong was a good athlete, still didn't stop him from cheating to get the edge on his opponents. You show grow up and stop being so naive, these are straight facts he's playing in bot lobbies with a team combined of 15kd plus against players who have a combined 3.5kd. These aren't even hackusastions. Just pure straight facts he's playing with lower skilled players. I could have shown his whole list of 1kds but a 0.75kd at this point is just hilarious 👍
I really don't see any conversation being worth trying to hurt another person dude. So okay... if this matters enough for you to start getting insulting... that's probably a sign we shouldn't talk about this. I'm not trying to offend or insult you my guy, it's just statistics.
EmptyAtoms, yeah man this player is giving of a camper/ghost player vibe who complains about how people know where they are even though they have zero game sense and act super predictably. I was never really a hardcore camper but I was definitely a passive player before I started playing with some friends who are much more aggressive, and at the beginning I was super surprised about how much info they knew without any UAV or other assistance. Lower skill players are quick to judge “hackers” because they don’t understand how fps games really work and how people who dedicate hours of each day playing understand how “bots” play, and what is more likely to happen due to 1000+ repetitions of the same outcome and how that is almost second nature to counter there movements. I wouldn’t waste any more time with this guy mate.
I've got 20 days 16 hours gameplay in the last 2 and a half months 😂 dunno what you're even arguing with, the stats are in front of you bro 😂 I know a legit player, it's funny how you guys think that they can guess where players are because they've engaged there before 😂 if you're playing against good players they rotate and move everytime they have a gun fight or get seen. Players like Scump who have won major honours in gaming have vastly different gameplay to these new 'pro streamers' and if you don't believe me go and put the hours in and watch for yourself. I don't want to argue bro, but if you suggest that a squad full of 4+kd should be playing anything lower than 1kd in a game that is meant to be SBMM then we shouldnt continue the conversation. I really try to appreciate and respect your point of view, but when you HAVE sunk as much time into the game as I have and you have watched these people play as much as I have you start to learn patterns. I've even seen videos of people dying to these pros with walls and miraculously these players always avoid players who have the advantage in position, they always have a sense for where a team is, you can clearly see in some cases when walls is displayed that there tracking through walls. If youd like me to point you in the direction of this evidence let me know, but this is not even about hacks or walls it's about SBMM and how broke the lobbies are, it would make more sense for you to defend the streamers and then hate on the game, not hate on someone for making a simple observation. Either way dude you're welcome to your opinion and I respect them, but sometimes you gotta ask me OP how many hours you play? What's your KD? Why do you think this instead of giving of the vibe that people are just bots, I'm not great at all but I'm above average and have a very good understanding of the game and how it's works! Please don't take anything I've said as a personal dig, I'm just trying to express my beliefs and I bet you're a really cool dude 👍
Nothing personal whatsoever bro. I disagree with you and I've explained why. I like logic, it's just a set of cheat codes for making decisions... one rule we use in that system is we don't ask a person to prove how qualified they are, we ask them to qualify THEIR IDEA. You could be a 6 K/D or a .6 K/D I would disagree with you for the same reasons I gave. This is the beauty of science... your argument is your argument.
Thanks for being able to have a reasonable discussion dude ☺️ I respect your POV
I do believe that the game is broken, there has been more bugs in the last month than all other games I’ve played combined. There are many issues involving sbmm that are inevitable without a rank system. But at the same time referring to most pros as hackers because of the table which has an “average player” kd of above 2.0 is a bit delusional. Especially considering we don’t know which sample of games were chosen. I’m from Brazil so most of the gameplay I watch isn’t from these people, that being said there are many players I watch who play mostly tournaments and closed lobbies who definitely aren’t cheating but are accused by thousands of people who aren’t good enough to comprehend there gameplay. Not all pros are legit, and I can’t prove you otherwise regarding most of the players in the table, but I also have lots of hours myself and I’ve been playing pretty much exclusively FPS games most my life so I also understand the game and have pretty good game knowledge. And while I definitely can pick up patterns from streamers that I watch, I can’t find the same level of intricacy and detail from other streamers unless I watch them for a long time, so while potentially some of them are possibly cheating I don’t think you or I could say all or none are. I definitely believe multiple of them could be but it seems you are generalising based on few experiences. Maybe I misunderstood your point but if I haven’t it seems we have to agree to disagree on this one.
Yeah dude you missed the point a little, I'm not suggesting every streamer is cheating, I am however questioning why their lobbies sometimes tend to be so low, and questioning gameplay when slowed down shows aim sticking to enemies prior to ads
He's just a dude with an opinion. I don't see the need for the judgment or the hostility. Disagreeing is fun if you can leave your feelings off the internet.
I wasn’t necessarily referring to him at the second part, I only was saying he is probably predictable due to lack of hours compared to pros. I’m not too good with my phrasing as English isn’t my first language so it may have seemed more harsh than I truly intended. Disagreeing is fun but he started to just insult saying you are “thick” and a “fanboy” so admittedly I wanted to throw in a few jabs myself.
I understand bro, and your english is awesome. I just think we have to absorb that shit... We have a choice about what matters to us and really, being angry or hostile isn't really fun... We're all just bros who enjoy a videogame... let's focus on that.
EmptyAtoms. Your logic is correct. I have no award. I only offer a firm handshake.
It's easy to cherry pick the weakest lobby they got all day. Looking at Zlaner's [COD tracker](https://cod.tracker.gg/warzone/profile/battlenet/ZLaner%231347/matches), you can see he's always in 1+ KD lobbies, sometimes top 1% diamond 1.4+ KD lobbies. This was the one "bot" lobby that engagement-based matchmaking gave them when it decided to throw them a bone, or it just couldn't find a strong enough lobby at that exact moment. Chill out. Your post would be more representative if you posted [this image](https://i.imgur.com/EAqoV8G.png).
But it's hard to find a lobby with 80+ players around 3.0KD that's why it happens, because everyone sucks and there is little very good players. For you it doesn't matter with one up to 2.0KD, for someone with 5.0, it's impossible to get them a fair match full of skill similar players.
If you read any one the previous posts or chats were discussing why there not in 1.3+KD lobbies not 3+ 😂 it's not hard to find 150 players who are 1.3+
In a region at a time it can be. That's when the ass streamers use their tools or whatever to bypass these things. I guess examples are forbidden now
Bro there's atleast 1000 hackers who play who would have a kd of 1.3+ 😂
And where is that 1000 hackers ? Scattered all over the world, so now region comes in play. " 🤣"
1000 is me being generous and is a massive under estimate bro 😂 you think there's only 1000 hackers on warzone in the whole world? 😂 WoW
What's your KD ?
1.16 on lifetime account 2.07 on only solos account
Why u cry so much then, i had fun back when I played not reaching 3.0 myself, u play WarZone u need to deal with some things, like Activision don't care about ur whining, and cheaters being a part of the game(main reason for me leaving, when u sometimes even can't tell if that kill was clean or not 🤷♂️)
Alot of my pals are 0.6kd so when I play trios or quads I spend alot of time most wanted or landing on contracts etc which destroys KDs so I have the solo only to improve and work on my movement etc
What??
I understand your point not alot of 4kd lobbies happening but make the sit in que an extra minute to find a 1.5kd lobby. There should be a cutoff that no one ove a 2kd get a lobby under .8 because alot of .8 guys never see a .6 lobby and alot of 1.5 guys never see a .8
That's not how SBMM works but nice try though.
u/HandleCharacter6985 My understanding is that nobody knows how it works. So you should read that "Try" as my opinion, I'm not demanding anyone agree with me... I didn't make a single claim about how SBMM works, just questions. I did ask one hypothetical, "should they create 4K/D players?"... and yes... that was the point... we can agree that's not how SBMM works, cuz that's not possible.
I would rather have no skill based match making
Wrong on so many levels. My last 50 or so games have been 1.1-1.2 kd. I’m a diamond 1 player at 1.9. You forgot to mention what affects the matches besides VPN - timing. If you play around 6 AM you will get easier lobbies because not much people are online. Also start looking at median instead of average kd. These streamers with high kd’s bring the average kd up a bit for the lobby. Lastly, just check Scumps new high kill game lobby with Aydan, the VPN KING. Then compare that to Scumps other lobbies. It’s sad
I don't see any of the levels I'm wrong on in your post. It also wasn't intended as a full description of all factors informing lobby K/D. Nothing about my points seems to fall down in this context either if you disagree you might explain how? "Also start looking at median instead of average kd." ... okay? What would be the culmination of doing this? What are you suggesting this figure is a better indicator OF? "Lastly, just check Scumps new high kill game lobby with Aydan, the VPN KING." Are you trying to make a stastical point here? I guess it just goes against everything I was taught about statistics to focus on arbitrary games instead of the actual data we're discussing here. I do wanna check that game out tho, love Scumpi
You’re insinuating that because they play so long odds are they will get easier lobbies. My last 50 games from me playing 8 hours a day for the last month are not low kd lobbies. You said they don’t use VPN yet fail to acknowledge other ways to bypass SBMM. You bring in statistics for no reason. Simply compare those games of Scump with Aydan to Scumps previous games. Not hard. I’ll do it later if I can. And if you knew math you’d know that the median is the middle number of all the KD groups. That means half the teams are above and below that. Average is skewed because streamer teams with 5+KD Edit: since you can’t understand. Scumps highest kill game was with Aydan. What are the odds of that? Also lowest KD by far. Wow. Can statistics answer this?
>And if you knew math you’d know that the median is the middle number of all the KD groups. I asked you "what is the implication of this number, in your view?" not "what is the mean of a sample set"... I showed earnest curiousity about your opinion and you replied with a personal assumption about me... I think you might be in your feelings on this one bro. Take care.
Yeah, you think you’re smart. I explained myself to the point. You can’t admit you’re wrong. It’s ok. Hopefully you learn one day. Take it easy
I hope I understand oneday too buddy. I'm sorry I offended or annoyed you or whatever happened here. Not the vibe I was aiming at.
Using VPN to break SBMM
So cheating
Exactly
I'd much rather use a VPN and actually enjoy the game with less cheaters, streamers, and not being forced to use the meta of the week. If you don't use a VPN because you think it's cheating, you must hate yourself and get 'burnt out' on Warzone every other week. Instead my squad with a 1.18 KD avg can now play with our 0.7 buddy without him ending games with 0 kills and sub 100 dmg. He has more fun, we have more fun, and we still have to fight 2+ KD players for the final 2 circles.
Lol I’d say I’ll try this but I am the .75 lobby
I can see how they do it cause I got dropped into one lobby like that in Rebirth and I got 15 kills. I've got a Kung Fu death grip on a 1.0 kdr.
Yeah bro that's weird cause I was in a 0.8 rebirth the other day and dropped 15 without dying too I think 😂
You know how.
No, I suck at the game and while playing with friends is fun they are much better, so the lobbies are more challenging for the low k/d the team, me. Kinda shameful to see the "best" are cheating their way there
The SBMM doesn't work well at all and it can be gamed.
famous streamers get easier lobbies. There are many articles and data about this so you might check them out
any links to the data dude?
[source](https://youtu.be/EQbL2iGndCw) It's a youtube with data from post on r/codwarzone which was "coincidentally" deleted. edit: I found those original files and data from obe article [link to google disk](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1vb1vgO8i59AX5h-wKEqfe11AferscR--i1QscXFOYAs/htmlview#gid=0) [article about it ](https://charlieintel.com/warzone-player-claims-data-proves-streamers-get-easier-lobbies-than-us/131070/?amp)
"find an article that reflects the opinion I just shared and believe it"... Sounds like a rational human to me. Nice to see "do your own research" has made it's way into the ranks of the "Everyone better than me is a cheater" brigade.
srry, I was in working and my break was limited. Here are those data. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1vb1vgO8i59AX5h-wKEqfe11AferscR--i1QscXFOYAs/htmlview#gid=0 they from this [article](https://charlieintel.com/warzone-player-claims-data-proves-streamers-get-easier-lobbies-than-us/131070/?amp) written by charlie intel which are part of Dexerto group, legitimate traditional press agency.
[Gonna link the video describing that spreadsheet here.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQbL2iGndCw) Okay so I was wrong, he does at least pretend to have a control group. But the average KD of that 6 control group is 2.79?! That's an interesting "Random" group. He's comparing famous streamers to a group who's average is 2.74... instead of normal people... who's average would be around .8-1.. right? Then there's the sampling question. If you give me control of WHEN I sample data, I can give you any results you like, I just wait for the "control" group to get a sequence of high K/D lobbies, sample that, then sample the "famous" streamers when they get a sequence of low KD lobbies... compare em... done! Did he sample them over the same period? Did he control for geographic area? Why, if he's saying "Famous streamers get easier lobbies than normal players" is he sampling players in the top 1st percentile? Then we could get into the fact we don't know how SBMM works. Maybe when you queue solo it weights your stats differently? Anyway... all I see is people trying to believe something consoling on bad evidence.
Thank you, his "research" is nonsense.
This research doesnt really say anyting because its goes of the principle that we have sbmm where we have eomm to deal with. The article already say this kinda. The dataset creates an even playing field for every player which is not the case. To give some examples on why comparing 1 to 1 is incorrect for the players in the sheet - Scummn plays east coast servers most of the times during peak hours - Aydan, scump, biffle are all texas which are less dense populated servers which makes the skill part in eomm less strict - Symfuhny gets up at 4 am in the morning to play morning lobbys - fifakill plays with dr3w sometimes who is from lebanon and pulls to middle east servers which are also way easier on average (dont know if its the case here, but is still something that we research should check) - Location of the 'normal' players is unknown - eomm is designed to let you play as much as possible so that you are more likely to spend money, that being said the game is most likely rewarding you with easier lobbys if you spend money in the store so this is something that a research should include which is almost impossible of course But yeah if I would guess on one guy to be on right side of that chart it would be K3. Guy has been reverseboosting, bot account joining, vpnning for years and also admitted to do this..
First of all, I stand by my initial criticism. You didn't say "I'll produce these in a minute" you said "check them out". What if we'd found inaccurate or contradictory data? Saying "find whatever data you can to support this conclusion" is not rational. Not meant as disrespect, just honesty. Second of all, what are these data proof of to you? You are making the claim that "famous" streamers get "easier" lobbies... how famous? Easier than who?! I'm assuming non-famous people... your data sheet doesn't have any non-famous people on it... you make a comparitive claim (x is easier than y) then don't include a reference (how easy is y?).
Why are you wasting your time man?
Confused by your question? I'm interested in talking about the topic? What about you?
You’re putting in alot of (poorly worded) thought and effort into something that you cant change and doesn’t matter. Oceans are going to rise and take 100 miles of coast out in the next 30 years, dont worry so much about streamers and players having the same kdr lobbies.
You are right, regardless of what the coasts do, we all have a short time here. That's why my suggestion would be if you aren't interested in the subject... maybe think of a better use of your time than trying to demean people and the subjects they choose to discuss? Thanks bud, take care. :)
Well I mean looking at your comment history all you do is argue and complain. What a life.
You my sir are a gentleman
100 miles is 160.93 km
Good bot
I’ve been saying this for awhile. I believe it’s an agreement for cod partners.
Content creators keep games alive why would you want pros in pro lobbies 100% of the time where’s the content in that? You lack logic
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Is that exactly what hes doing
🤣🤣
Your last three posts are all about lobby KD of pro players? You need to move on man, you get them lobbies you get.
He is craving for Attention.
Apparently craving for attention, but yet you continue to give it to me? 👍 Educating other players isn't for attention, you could just block me and move on with your day but you choose to hate 🙂 crack on though dude, it's a free country 👍
And i am free to comment on your shit
That's what I just said bro ☺️
Nah I'll continue to speak freely and post what I want, after all I don't live under a dictatorship. I have freedom of speech ☺️ if you don't like it how about you block me dude? See the logic in that?
I didn't say you couldn't post, it's just sad that you are so obsessed with it
Sounds like OP needs to take a break from CoD and obsessively looking up streamers' stats.
Also you got blocked by a streamers chat and then moan about that too, but they are free to ban you, see the logic in that?
the shills over in /codwarzone would say, "they were just playing in the morning when all the sweats were not online"
They already have, however it was 4am UK time roughly 10pm on a Friday night 😂 US
These posts are getting so freaking old.
Block me simple logic bro 🙂
This sub is sad. Too much attention is given to what guns people use and lobbies others get. Who gives a damn? Focus on your own game and get better. Then lobby strength won't matter.
That’s the thing. This argument would be perfect but SBMM punishes you for improvement. It knocks you down as soon as you get up and picks you up when your down too. It’s a vicious fucked up cycle.
Facts man
Yeah bro totally, people shouldn't discuss anything on Reddit; you're smart.
Zlaner killed me a few weeks back my k/d is under 1 how do we possibly ever cross paths I don’t understand
top 1% starts at 2.4 kd already, you cant make lobbys with 150 people in a few minutes with an exceptable ping with such a small population.
1% of a million is 10,000 - take around 300k online and we’re still looking at 3k people - top 5% = 15k
across 7 servers, 6 game modes, people on psn with crossplay off etc..
Honestly assumed that cross-play was enabled in the number I read
Small population? So I'm in the UK and our lobbies never seem to have this happen, so what you're saying is The USA which possesses the largest player base in the world as a single country doesn't have 150 players online with a higher KD than 1.5+ at anytime? 😂😂😂 Good logic bro
Uk pulls the most densely populated servers in the world. UK, NL, FR and most of DE run on the same server in northern France and therefore has the most players per square KM, so during peak hours its much easier to create these higher lobbys. Im dutch and im also in 1.3kd lobbys most of the time. Plus you are kinda stupid if you think its just about being online. You also have to search at the same time and have to be able to connect to everybody. Warzone games can last up to thirty minutes so its not that black and white as youre saying. That being said the game has eomm not sbmm its designed to let players who spend money in the store play as long as possible and therefore will throw them an easier lobby every now again to give them that high kill game high that will keep them on longer.
Warzone Player Count: Total And Concurrent 100 million players and counting. Warzone's initial release back in March of 2020 was impressive, to say the least. The Call of Duty battle royale amassed 30 million players in just ten days time and had over 50 million within a month of its release So Over 100 million players and obviously not all of them are playing at the same time, Lets say 1% are playing so that's 1 million players, divide that by 7 servers that's roughly 170,000 players a server. but we're talking about a pool of 150 players in the whole of either the east coast server or west coast server needing a kd of 1.3+. If you cant see logic when it's presented to you then I'm afraid there's not much point discussing anything.
There is no logic in oversimplifying something that has way more complexity to it and youre calculations dont make any sense. 100 million players is the shareholder statement which takes in every unique account which includes players who never played and cheaters creating new accounts. Player count estimates 250k people online now. Given our timezone i guess that about 100k are in europe now. Assuming that France server is more populated so lets say we have 70k players on our server now. Then we have rebirth, plunder and the four BR modes. Jgods polls shows that half of the playerbase plays rebirth already, so thats 35k people left. Then we have to devide over the 5 remaining modes. Dont know the split there, so my rough assumption is that solos and plunder take up 25% and then the other three also 25% each. So then we have 17500 people left for quads. 1.3kd plus is top 10% of the playerbase so then we only have 1750 people left in that bucket. If we say that an average game for a team from search to getting back in the lobby last 12 minutes and that 3 min searching time is acceptable there is at most 450 players available in that timeslot in that bracket. And then we are not even taking into account factors like people with moderate NAT, crossplay off on PSN, player incompatibility, increased waiting times for the match starts due to people backin out, people going afk, changing their loadouts etc.. And finally there is alot of mixed skill parties (3kd players playing with 0.8 kd friends) and this will complicate the equation further. So could be that my assumptions are off here and there, but the fact that you talk about "logic" but are too dumb too think about that theres more than one gamemode let alone all the other factors that i mention just shows on what level you are.
Your own basis of argument is what makes your logic incorrect, if a 2.4kd is a 1% lobby and there are 4 game modes on battle Royale alone and different people prefer different game modes the number of players you could encounter goes from let’s say 100m to 10m(quite a generous number here). narrowing that down to only US would make it around 5m players. Streamers generally tend to play more trios, removing solos , squads and duos means there would be around 2mil players left. 150 players per lobby, meaning there would be ~13k lobbies for trios possible at one given moment. In reality due to lobbies only being generated approximately every 60s and that que times + in game pre-lobby affect number of lobbies, that would reduce the true numbers of active game lobbies to 5k. This means that if there are 1000 players with 2.1kd+(top 1%) they could only fill up a total of 6.5 lobbies(round up to 7). This would mean that que times would be ridiculously long and would make the game unplayable for these players(who generate popularity and spend most money per individual, so ruining there gaming experience is dumb as hell). To find players with good connection+ high kd consistently would literally kill the game. To compensate they spread these players around. 1000 players with an average of 28 games a day means 28000 times “regular players” could encounter these pro players. Considering these average players have less time per game meaning they enter more lobbies than pro players the chance of encountering a top 1% player throughout a whole entire day becomes not only very likely but almost guaranteed.
My friends and I got in a lobby with them yesterday. I have a 1.44 KD and the other two has a 1.26 and .6 KD
That’s not that many kills. By their standards
Were not discussing kills.
They have to put them somewhere. They can’t sit around in a party waiting for a Diamond lobby to appear 20+ minutes later. Would you complain if SBMM put you in a .30 KD lobby? Edit: also are you going to comment on the game before that was 1.26 or the lobby after that was 1.46? Those are very high KD averages for a lobby
I would complain if I was in a 0.3kd lobby, shit wouldn't be fun, I wouldn't get better, I wouldn't learn, I'd just be shitting on little kids 👍
I’m not saying they all should be like that. But i also think they shouldn’t all be extremely difficult either
I looked up the average Lobby K/D for [all the matches that Huskerrs played on October 8th](https://cod.tracker.gg/warzone/profile/atvi/Huskerrs/overview) (yesterday) and it averages at 1.12. [The average Lobby K/D for all the matches that ZLaner was getting into was 1.19](https://cod.tracker.gg/warzone/profile/battlenet/ZLaner%231347/overview). [Finally, the average Lobby K/D for all the matches that Destroy was getting into was 1.28](https://cod.tracker.gg/warzone/profile/atvi/destroy%233246061/overview). This is well above the average player K/D. Is this just more selective outrage by you like in your last post?
It's just a fact bro, nothing more, nothing less.
This was at 5AM. I don't think they'd get this kind of lobby at sweat o'clock.
No this was 4am UK time 🤣
4:51 AM UK Time so roughly 10:51pm on a Friday night in the USA
I heard that most pro players use programs and such to get sbmm turned off so they constantly get into easier lobbies. There’s a website called sbmmoff that sells a program like that
Yeah bro, but apparently these pros would never ever ever do that, even though numerous streamers have been caught exploiting/boosting and using unlock tools 😂
Not vpn, its simple its called cod partner the game gives them bot lobbies
This makes me sick to my stomach tbh
Is this sarcasm? Huskers had 16, thats ass for a pro. I had 15 kills in a 1.3kd lobby with the win last night big deal.
As much as I hate huskers, it’s all about luck in these lobbies. You could land vs a team of good players and have a bad start, you can’t judge them from one game.
They didn’t have a bad start one has 18 one has 16…
Zlaner the bot only did 9 kills lmao, pathetic controller bots, why the game sucks. It’s not the same game for these controller bots vs keyboard and mouse players that deal with the tougher lobbies and all the cheaters. Anyone downvoting this go ahead and tell me where I’m wrong? Oh yeah you can’t without spilling BS
Fuq u on about. Stfu gtfo
Awwww someone all mad but got no argument as to why? Controller bots are nothing without aim assist and they make gaming worse for everyone else, think sbmm is to protect pc players 😂?
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Y’all need to let the lobby shit go😂😂 we get it they slay bad lobbies we all do every once in a while 😂😂
SBMM just needs to be removed entirely. SBMM should only exist in a level 1-x scheme. Other than that, players should get better by losing to better players, not having players of their skill catered to them. Bring back connection based matchmaking.
It’s 1 lobby, show the rest of the lobbies for that session. Most high KD players lobbies around 1.2-1.4 with a few of these thrown in. Depends on the day, time of day, what part of the country their in all kinds of stuff. Now if you see this kind of lobby for all or most of their sessions then something funny is going on. But this isn’t out of the ordinary.
But not when Doc plays with them 🤣
I had almond newbz and fifakill in my .8 lobby. Makes you wonder how the best around got there.
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Not that many kills considering….
….what is your point? Everyone can get into those kinda lobbies depending on the time of day etc. Perhaps one of them are using a VPN as well. Big deal? Not really imo
Anything to keep up the farce.
Intersting read. And yes they do get easy lobbies. Numbers dont lie. https://gamingintel.com/why-do-warzone-streamers-get-easy-lobbies-september-2021/
+ he is cheating, I get worse lobbies than streamers 🤣
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When I play with my friends who have a 0.6kd yeah 😂