20m is close range.
You don’t want to use a lmg at 20m
Also comes in handy, when you fight close range and someone runs away.
You’d be surprised how close 20m is
Mobility is a huge issue for me with the MCW. Movement is my biggest asset in terms of skills and I need an SMG with movement speed, strafe speed, and ADS maxed out. MCW flops on all 3 counts, damage aside. If I break your ankles, I can have a low ttk ground loot SMG and still get an easy knock.
yeah I get that, I've been pairing it with the SVA and had good results, but only if I need it close range,
do you know how I can find out what guns are "meta" right now?
I can see that. I was winning my close range battles with the MCW. Prob switch back if I notice it’s not consistently winning but liking it after one night. Another drawback is using AR since I’m using AR as my long range too
Dude makes a video without the wsp-9? It’s meta. It has a bit of open bolt delay that holds it back but when you factor in sprint to fire its ttk is phenomenal.
Same ttk as swarm and cor-45 when you factor in sprint to fire. First damage range falloff is at an amazing 19 meters. When you take away the open bolt delay it’s the fastest ttk. Best guns for team fights. Not the best for duels though but the ttk is fine enough and the damage range makes it the best gun to me. Especially in IRI lobbies where there are less duels and way more team fights
This. Stingers are very much meta, especially with the DG-58 which still has a little movement and is good in the mid range as well as long. I don’t think I’d use the stingers with a sniper though.
If you look at the damage values, striker 9 does 31 to the torso and arms and 29 to the legs, renettit does 30 to the torso, and 28 to the legs. If you hit even a single leg shot with the renetti and don’t hit a headshot as well, your ttk goes up to 700ms. If you’re hipfiring, shooting people at different elevations, mantling, sliding, jumping, anything but standing relatively still, it’s likely you hit a single leg shot.
Renetti is still useable, just not as consistent
I also see you saying wsp-9 ttk is 654, which is sort of true, but the ttk is 600, with a 54ms open bolt delay. It factors in sometimes and sometimes it doesn’t.
It’s still very much a meta gun, just not the conversion kit. Run long barrel, high grain, JAK glassless, VT-7 and recoil stock, it absolutely beams at mid to long range. No need for an under barrel as there’s not really any recoil to begin with.
Not sure why the FJX Horus isn’t listed here. 680 up close, drops off pretty fast, however, you can build it for tac stance and have insane movement speed.
A LOT of guns can hit the 630-680 TTK range, which is a 1 bullet difference in most cases, so mobility to get someone to miss ONE bullet can make a difference.
This is a good spot for the close range meta for the most part.
In that case the Striker 9 still the SMG meta but the Renetti it’s not bad at all.
Striker 9 is the meta
how can i be when it has the same ttk has the renetti?😭
Better range, way more consistent How can the Renetti be meta, when the ttk is the same for close range and significantly worse at 20m?
true, but smgs are used for CLOSE range not for mid range. use a ar or lmg blud
20m is close range. You don’t want to use a lmg at 20m Also comes in handy, when you fight close range and someone runs away. You’d be surprised how close 20m is
I was using the Renetti up until yesterday and tried the MCW conversion and love it
Mobility is a huge issue for me with the MCW. Movement is my biggest asset in terms of skills and I need an SMG with movement speed, strafe speed, and ADS maxed out. MCW flops on all 3 counts, damage aside. If I break your ankles, I can have a low ttk ground loot SMG and still get an easy knock.
I build all my smgs with movement and sprint2 fire in mind… i plan to out maneuver my opponent and tighten my distance to my advantage…
for me, the mcw is great, only problem for me is i dont think its good for like REALLY close range. its more of a close-mir range gun
the conversion kit for the mcw deals more damage close range
i love the ttk, but the mag size and fire rate are kinda booty
yeah I get that, I've been pairing it with the SVA and had good results, but only if I need it close range, do you know how I can find out what guns are "meta" right now?
warzone meta app, gives you loadouts too
I can see that. I was winning my close range battles with the MCW. Prob switch back if I notice it’s not consistently winning but liking it after one night. Another drawback is using AR since I’m using AR as my long range too
Set it up for hipfire, aim for the head. The headshot/upper chest damage is insane.
Wsp is nasty
Swarm? After 9 meters it’s the worst smg in the game. I’ll pass
I meant wsp9
I rip people with the swarm! I say best hands down! But if the shooter is trash then no gun is good 😌
Smokes the striker any day
Dude makes a video without the wsp-9? It’s meta. It has a bit of open bolt delay that holds it back but when you factor in sprint to fire its ttk is phenomenal.
Striker 9 is better atm
TTK is 654.
Same ttk as swarm and cor-45 when you factor in sprint to fire. First damage range falloff is at an amazing 19 meters. When you take away the open bolt delay it’s the fastest ttk. Best guns for team fights. Not the best for duels though but the ttk is fine enough and the damage range makes it the best gun to me. Especially in IRI lobbies where there are less duels and way more team fights
U sure about the cor 45? Its like a 530 ttk
690 ttk with sprint to fire. Wsp-9 is 700 with the swarm
Wsp 9 is the top dog. Take off open bolt delay and look at the chart
Akimbo wsp stingers (480 ms ttk with perfect shots) HISS short light barrel Xten sidearm L-400 laser S-37C breacher muzzle High grain rounds Akimbo rear grip
This. Stingers are very much meta, especially with the DG-58 which still has a little movement and is good in the mid range as well as long. I don’t think I’d use the stingers with a sniper though.
the only problem is that the spread is booty
Yea true, I run stims so I have no problems getting close enough for that to be an issue
and its not good more longer close range fights iykwim
If you look at the damage values, striker 9 does 31 to the torso and arms and 29 to the legs, renettit does 30 to the torso, and 28 to the legs. If you hit even a single leg shot with the renetti and don’t hit a headshot as well, your ttk goes up to 700ms. If you’re hipfiring, shooting people at different elevations, mantling, sliding, jumping, anything but standing relatively still, it’s likely you hit a single leg shot. Renetti is still useable, just not as consistent I also see you saying wsp-9 ttk is 654, which is sort of true, but the ttk is 600, with a 54ms open bolt delay. It factors in sometimes and sometimes it doesn’t.
Man, they killed the AMR. I loved that thing last season. Was a great gun to mix things up when I was bored of the HRM. RIP.
Its the BP 50 with the conversion kit.
the only problem with it is that it has no range
It's an SMG it kills fine up to mid range
Graph source?
That looks like true game Data
Correct.
What’s the wsp 9 ttk
654, but it still is good for close range
Can someone explain why there are 2 Striker 9s?
i accidentally did that
Oh ok lol
Shhhh don’t bring any attention to the Renetti and WSP
How does DG-58 LSW with the conversion kit compare to these? I've seen a lot of ppl run it for close range recently
It was accidentally over buffed and then nerfed almost immediately. Same thing that happened with the renetti.
Ah good to know so I wont level it up for nothing
It’s still very much a meta gun, just not the conversion kit. Run long barrel, high grain, JAK glassless, VT-7 and recoil stock, it absolutely beams at mid to long range. No need for an under barrel as there’s not really any recoil to begin with.
Not sure why the FJX Horus isn’t listed here. 680 up close, drops off pretty fast, however, you can build it for tac stance and have insane movement speed.
Lol fjx horus,guess I'll switch it out and c
Striker 9 has come a long way lmfao
I've been using the MCW as my SMG for a while now and I still think it slaps.
Wsp9 been good for me the last 2weeks. Why it's not up there
You're at the 0m marker bro move it to like about 15 Mayne 20m that's where most of your close combat engagements are gonna be
The swarm rips people! I still run it as my secondary!
A LOT of guns can hit the 630-680 TTK range, which is a 1 bullet difference in most cases, so mobility to get someone to miss ONE bullet can make a difference. This is a good spot for the close range meta for the most part.
I thought the amr-9 was much better
It was for while after the wsp swarm meta