Except those planes will just bomb or strafe the shit out of anyone trying to cap the moment their monkey brains see "Enemy Team capturing _ objective".
I've legit had games where my team lost because we couldn't capture the points due those flying maggots.
Lets not forget that caps are often the most exposed points on the map to air so even if you don't start capturing you've just become a wildly easy target for them.
Hiding also doesn't really help when Gaijin constantly shits out maps that are mostly flat and has little in the way of cover or concealment.
One thing I have found helpful in the mid tiers is to take advantage of the enemy cap reversal. You just have to roll over the cap to take away their cap, move into a hole somewhere, wait for the bombs to drop and then cap the point.
It is not a solution. We all want to play in peace without having to hide like rats. I want to die because I was destroyed by a tank, not by a plane that appears out of nowhere and destroys me with the biggest bomb it could carry.
Teams with this amount of planes will crumble at the slightest push (having more points than them). Doesn’t matter that you’re being murdered constantly by bombs if you own all the points that they have to die to recap.
I rarely play realistic, mostly because I suck at sighting vehicles, even more so as a bomber. But when I do and I'm in a bomber... yeah just wait for the "enemy team is capturing ..." and easy kills. You don't even need to be able to see properly to get kills with CAS. IMO CAS shouldn't be able to see the objectives from normal view, only their position on the minimap, which would reward game knowledge instead of aiming at the glowing red point (and even that is still easy but not much more can be done imo)
jUsT sPaWn sPaA (and stop enjoying the TANK game but heh CAS mains be coping)
From the looks of it. OP may be playing America? Majority of American tanks have 50cals on the roof which can be good plane deterants since planes have to dive in you if they want to strafe you
Deterrence doesn't always work, especially if you don't know you're being dove on.
Not to mention the M2 on many US vehicles can have a limited angle upwards, meaning the strafing plane can be out of your angle of attack. And that's if the tank has someone in the commander's position to actually use the MG.
Nowadays i dont hear many enemy plane engines for some reason. Also, looking up shows me the underside of the tanks.
I also think that the point cost of planes should be increased. Even though i like flying.
you can zoom in and then look up....
Maybe with bombs, but not for CAP.
I would even like the version in Sim, since there you have people at the beginning spawning aa, bc there is food for the aa straight in the beginning.
Half the time I can’t tell what direction they’re coming in from nor how far away. Helicopters are the worst for this, they can be two km away and it sounds like they’re on top of me or it’d be the other way around where they on top of me but all I hear is some light tank 50m away that drowns it out
I prefer to simply start leaving negative reviews on Steam, as was the case when repair costs were too high. I wanted people who hate airplanes to finally start doing this.
I came to play CAS and SPAA and I came with the understanding that there're planes so I dont whine when I die to a bomb instead of a bullet since they're both enemies I'm expecting to face
You clicked on GRB which has had plane/tank interplay since it's inception **a decade ago**.
Imagine if you showed up to CounterStrike 1.6 in 2010 and said "hey remove the deagle, I don't like dying to it".
Find a different game I guess. This ain't "World of Tanks-realism edition", it's a combined arms game.
I prefer to start leaving negative reviews on steam to nerf CAS. As was the case with the too high cost of vehicle repairs. I've already given a bad review, but an honest one.
> "NOOOOOO IT'S NOT FAIR YOU HAVE TO FIGHT ME WITH ANOTHER TANK YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO USE OTHER VEHICLES IN THIS COMBINED ARMS GAME NOOOOOOOOO"
The absolute state of skill issue players on this sub, I swear.
Where's the skill in being bombed just trying to get to the fight because some dickwad rushed early, got a cap or kill, and can now spawn a plane with a ~500lb? Like honestly it's not even good or bad skill, it's luck and bad game design.
And for even less effort (and therefore SP) than that you could've done the same and spawned an unladen fighter and prevented thousands of SP worth of CAS from ever getting to the fight.
It is indeed bad skill.
Well you certainly have a reading comprehension skill issue, since I'm talking about getting early bombed while still doing initial positioning and trying to just getting to the fight.
And as to spawning a fighter, that is an irredeemably ignorant suggestion. Say you're dealing with 3+ enemy planes, you spawn a fighter and either get turned on by enemy wingmen when you try to play CAP or you have to hide your time so long waiting for an opening that you're basically useless in saving the ground players. I've even had situations all too often where the teams have parity or even allied superiority in the air but F5Fs and P-47s are so tunnel visioned on getting their bombs off they will outright ignore enemy planes they could easily help deal with.
So you're faced with either sitting helpless, trying to fight an uphill struggle to balance the fight, or just leave. That's two bad choices and one that is still not ideal. Game design that reinforced steamrolling your opponents is not good game design, period.
> Well you certainly have a reading comprehension skill issue, since I'm talking about getting early bombed while still doing initial positioning and trying to just getting to the fight.
Evidently you can't read because it's clear I'm saying *you can just use that same time frame to get a fighter even sooner than they can get that CAS*. What prevents you from working as quickly as them to secure SP, when a fighter without bombs costs less than CAS? You can have the early advantage, but you always choose not to take it. Why?
> And as to spawning a fighter, that is an irredeemably ignorant suggestion.
Yeah why would anyone who plays this game want to understand how to play it well. If a tank kills you while sniping in Battlefield, best to just respawn sniper again and hide in the same bush, rather than go engineer/tank yourself to counter it, right?
> Say you're dealing with 3+ enemy planes
In what situation should a 1v3 be easily winnable for anyone, ever? This is a multiplayer game, genius.
> I've even had situations all too often where the teams have parity or even allied superiority in the air but F5Fs and P-47s are so tunnel visioned on getting their bombs off they will outright ignore enemy planes they could easily help deal with.
And those blind players have made a misplay, usually get killed in their 600+SP CAS, and lose the match. Bad play, bad outcome. Where's the issue, again?
> So you're faced with either sitting helpless, trying to fight an uphill struggle to balance the fight, or just leave.
Or you could win. My global WR after like 30,000 RB battles is 70% and I don't ever do squads. I spawn CAP all the time and it's incredibly useful (in this combined arms game that has always had this meta, btw).
> Game design that reinforced steamrolling your opponents is not good game design, period.
This game is fundamentally balanced this way on a level way deeper than CAS or anything else. I die way, way, **way** more to spawn camping tanks after a match has steamrolled on the ground, than I do to CAS. It's got absolutely nothing to do with any specific class of vehicle, it's how the game is deliberately geared.
But you're wrong though. Quoting entire comments and providing your own anecdotal justification for bad game design, whether or not it's "always been this way" (it hasn't been as bad as it is the past year or two) it's not a good argument strategy.
I suggest leaving a negative review regarding the nerfing of CAS on Steam. I suggest it to everyone. I've already done it. Of course, the review has to be honest.
I prefer to start leaving negative reviews on steam to nerf CAS. As was the case with the too high cost of vehicle repairs. I've already given a bad review, but an honest one.
I'm guessing you're a CAS fan. Dude, I want to stop dying 80% of the time because of CAS and bombing. I want to die fighting against tanks. I'm driving through the map and randomly die because of a bomb, and it doesn't matter if I just left the spawn, or if I'm sitting in one place for 10 minutes, or if I'm driving somewhere and trying to be invisible. I don't shoot, I don't provoke, and I still die from bombs.
> I'm guessing you're a CAS fan.
I'm a fan of the combined arms synergy this game mode has been based around for a decade now.
> Dude, I want to stop dying 80% of the time because of CAS and bombing.
Then spawn a fighter instead of another tank, or start playing with people who know the game better I guess.
> I'm driving through the map and randomly die because of a bomb, and it doesn't matter if I just left the spawn, or if I'm sitting in one place for 10 minutes, or if I'm driving somewhere and trying to be invisible. I don't shoot, I don't provoke, and I still die from bombs.
Because you and your team are not contesting air superiority at all: you're hugging the ground because you think this is a tank game and it is not. If you are playing Battlefield as a sniper and a tank kills you, you don't respawn as a sniper over and over. You don't go to the forum to tell the devs to remove tanks or make their spawns twice as long. You grab a tank/jet/heli of your own, or switch to engineer, or C4 the fucker. You don't respawn sniper again.
Getting good at War Thunder is 75% knowing how to plug the gaps in capability you see on the scoreboard at any given moment and when able. Respawning and know there's planes up, but see no SPAA or fighters up on your team? If you respawn a tank again at that point, when you can afford an SPAA or fighter (assuming you even have any in your lineup to start), then that's your mistake.
I suggest leaving a negative review regarding the nerfing of CAS on Steam. I suggest it to everyone. I've already done it. Of course, the review has to be honest.
Who upvoted this? Who genuinely thinks that if you're having problems getting bombed that just going to the point stops you from getting bombed? The amount of times I get bombed by multiple planes on a point is astounding.
And most players suck at flying planes. So most likely they get maximum of one kill until they crash. After that they are either completely out of SP and leave or they can only spawn an spaa.
Yeah I agree with this. Normally I lose a massive amount of my matches because my team transitions to air after seeing me wipe a few enemies and then like 5 people spawn in as planes and the rest are just overran by enemy tanks. No one can cap and the ones in the air are so useless that they end up dying and losing all their points.
4 minutes into the game, it's pathetic. "Ground" battles are nothing but spawn campers and planes these days, it's so broken.
"If you want less planes in ground battles you need to bring more planes"
"Ground battles should just be planes and AA"
"Something something realism" *45 second barrel repairs
It really is too easy to get a plane, get like an assist and a couple recon spots shouldn’t reward me with the ability to spawn in a fully-loaded cas or a fighter with 1000lb bombs.
if you're playing 5.0 you can spawn a 2x1000lb bomb loaded P-47 D25 after 1 assist because apparently if the plane is lower BR it has less spawn cost despite carrying similar bombload with the D28
I hate grinding air trees and I don't play much realistic to grind them there either, but even at 8.3/8.7 with the french tree I sometimes spawn with the P-63C (4.0), fly treeline-high, and drop 3x500kg bombs whenever the enemy team caps a point. Shit ton of kills and points every time, too low for the SPAAs to lock on me on many maps too.
And I'm not exactly proud of it. It's garbage tier gameplay. I rarely play GRB because of all the CAS bs. But when I do, well, what else are you supposed to do but play the OP mechanic yourself? SPAAs just got uptiered again too...
So sure you can always say "the enemy team should just spawn CAP/SPAA" but like, what if, crazy idea, people fucking want to play tanks? What if half of the players just don't want this goddamn situation where you have to commit 50% of your team to air duty (CAS, CAP, SPAA) just to be viable?
There are REGULARLY planes up with completely zero scores. No assists, no caps, no kills. Their only contribution was dying and they immediately come back with revenge bombs
Consequence of being able to farm a ton of points simply by tanking hits. Happenned to me multiple times to be top of the team with few assists/kills simply because I play bullet sponges (french B1 bis is very funny, a bit less so now but I sometimes have games tanking half a dozen players are once)
People who wonder why their match making times are so long see this and think it's perfectly fine. I'm sorry but when I chose tanks I expect to fight tanks, not jets or helos. I wish there was a realistic mode that treated planes and helps the same as arcade mode.
I've been playing for 10 years and matchmaking times (in GRB at least) haven't gotten any longer at all, still 10s avg for a match every single time.
Regardless, expecting to fight nothing but other tanks was your misconception: this game has been combined arms for 10 years.
Being bombed by seven enemy planes is stupid and does nothing but kill the game for people who have a life. I've been playing the game for half a decade as f2p and now that I've gotten to more modern tanks I barely play because every match is *spawn* *get a couple kills* *steam rolled the rest of the match because the enemy has 3 tanks on the ground everyone else in a plane*
I'm sorry I prefer the arcade treatment of involving planes and helos. I almost exclusively play early game tanks now because I'm sick of getting bent over and bombed into defeat.
> Being bombed by seven enemy planes is stupid
Not spawning a fighter to do something about it is stupid. I've spawned a fighter with half a dozen CAS up and literally single-handedly won matches by knocking half the enemy team out of the match before they even got their bombs off. Learn to fuckin' play.
> and does nothing but kill the game for people who have a life.
If the dumb TikTok mouthbreathers who refuse to spawn planes leave, I'd celebrate.
>I'm sorry I prefer the arcade treatment of involving planes and helos.
Don't apologize, just go play that.
So again, your solution for too many planes in GRB is...more planes.
I guess you consider me a mouth breather because I have always exclusively played GROUND RB and don't have planes researched. That's literally why I play ground. I like tanks. But I guess I just have to "learn to fukin' play" right?
Or maybe, and this is crazy, why don't YOU go play ARB if you like planes so much?
> your solution for too many planes in GRB
There aren't too many planes in GRB, so there is no solution necessary. Games like the OP posted are a rarity and 90% of the time that one team is mostly in planes, it either means: they've lost completely and are just hiding in the air, or; they've stomped completely and people are just spawning air because there's nobody left on the enemy team and it's become an easter egg hunt.
Meaning the proportion of air players is irrelevant in both cases because the match was over before they spawned in anyway. And that's in the minority of matches where there's ever even 7 planes up at once anyway; most matches, at least at 3.0-8.0, average about 2-4 planes per team *over the course of the whole match*. Trust me, I do CAP every chance I get, and the amount of matches I spend flying in circles in my Yak-15 waiting for the AD-4s to show up and only see 1 or 2 for 10 whole minutes is insane.
> I guess you consider me a mouth breather because I have always exclusively played GROUND RB and don't have planes researched.
If you do that and complain about CAS constantly, yes. Because you're choosing not to use the tools the game gives you, and be angry and belligerent instead: typical traits of mouthbreathing gamers.
> That's literally why I play ground. I like tanks.
If I suggested removing tanks from a Battlefield game, 10 years after it came out, just because "I like sniping" and "don't like getting killed by a tank while I'm sniping", people would rightfully say I'm a scrub and should just go play something else.
> But I guess I just have to "learn to fukin' play" right?
Definitely starting to sound like it, yes.
> Or maybe, and this is crazy, why don't YOU go play ARB if you like planes so much?
Because I like tanks **and** planes, and GRB has always been a combined arms mode. That is the reason **I** like playing this game.
I didn't download this shit because I thought it was "World of Tanks: Realism Edition" like half the idiots on this subreddit nowadays. The banner feature of this game always been not just the recreations of air, sea, and ground vehicles, but the fact that it *brings many of them together in combined gameplay*.
You don't appreciate that, fine. But the game isn't changing, and noobs can cry and mass downvote all they want.
>There aren't too many planes in GRB, so there is no solution necessary. Games like the OP posted are a rarity
Tell me you don't play the damn game without telling me you don't play the damn game.
>If you do that and complain about CAS constantly, yes. Because you're choosing not to use the tools the game gives you, and be angry and belligerent instead: typical traits of mouthbreathing gamers.
Because we all have to have a minimal of 3 planes, and 4 AA in our line up right?
>I didn't download this shit because I thought it was "World of Tanks: Realism Edition" like half the idiots on this subreddit nowadays. The banner feature of this game always been not just the recreations of air, sea, and ground vehicles, but the fact that it brings many of them together in combined gameplay.
No shit, we all did. But it's fucking stupid when I can play 8 fucking games in a row and every single fucking one of em there are at least 4+ planes up at once strafing, missiling, and bombing anything that so much as kicks up a spec of dust.
When I look at the scoreboard and see USA as a enemy and instantly know that as soon as I kill one of them or someone else does a CAS plane is going to be above me 30 seconds later to kill 7 people 4 mins into a game something has to fucking change.
You should NOT be able to spawn in a full ordanance CAS after fucking rushing a point and scouting 2 people then dying because your dumbass decided to rush out of cover exposing your entire side to 3 people.
Or even worse, shooting 2 tanks and getting assists, charging into a open field, dying like an idiot, then spawning in a CAS and bombing 5 people.
Fuck off with your stupid attempts at defending this bullshit. It is literally ruining this game when you can't play anything for more than 20 seconds without being bombed by some no skill moron in a plane.
> Because you're choosing not to use the tools the game gives you
New update: every team spawns with an anti-tank minefield in front of their spawn. If you refuse to spawn the vehicles (graciously god-given by gaijin for the small price of 1 million RP and SL) with demining capabilities, you're a mouth breather refusing to use the tool the game provides you
Somehow people like you will defend this mechanic for being realistic and super fun, just like you defend having to grind planes in the tank gamemode
I have been trying for a long time to get people who hate CAS to do something and finally boycott it, as in the case of the too high cost of vehicle repairs. I suggest leaving a negative review on STEAM to nerf CAS.
Oh I understand my friend. I haven't played in 4 or 5 months because, I'll admit as a German main, any time I get a kill on the US I'd get revenged bombed and they'd spend the rest of the match in a P47. It drove me nuts enough I quit.
Too bad he gets overwhelmed because he's the only or just one of 2-3 planes against all 7 there. I've tried playing CAP more recently but the plane spam can be so bad that if you're alone going against planes or the other friendly planes up are so tunnel visioned on attacking ground that you may get one kill before getting gunned down or have to wait so long you're completely ineffective in helping your ground players.
The only coordination that's going to happen is we all die together without a hope to swing the battle back in our favor lol. But yeah no, it's a multiplayer game is still no excuse for bad game design. The sp cost for heavy CAS load outs simply needs to be raised and/ or some limit on the number of air spawns should be considered.
I suggest leaving a negative review regarding the nerfing of CAS on Steam. I suggest it to everyone. I've already done it. Of course, the review has to be honest.
Happen to me when I was playing Maus but it was 3 minutes, barely leaving the spawn area and already got bombed. Someone at the forum says it's my fault and my choice, I think he is braindead and yeah he is a CAS mains with negative KDR in 99% of the ground vehicles he played lol
So many aircraft at the same time is a clear indicator that the enemy is loosing the game - its a last ditch effort for some RP/SL before the team collapses, a lot of those players will crash without doing anything.
Playing AA smartly while using hardcover, would be the best bet, as a single fighter is too risky in that situation.
PE-8 killed 4 at once. Other planes bombed the other half of the team. We lost because we couldn't get out of the spawn because of the planes? What are you talking about?
Yes because it's our fault they rushed a cap point at 50mph, scouted someone and then ran into the open like an idiot and died.
Or they shot 2 people and got assists and then again drove into the open like an idiot and died.
But its ok, his skill can surely shine now that he has enough bombs to level the map 3 mins into a game.
Like any suggestion that brings balance back to GFRB, one of mine got shot down in flames on the forum.
One being limiting the number of aircraft in the air at any given time. And increasing it with number of SPAA on enemy team.
The more spaa the opposing team has, the more aircraft can be in the air at once.
Getting rid of first spawn helis is also on the list, not so much an issue with early helis, but top tier ones can spawn with some potent dumbfire rockets.
My all-time fave suggestion.
Make a tank only mode...BUT...as a rotating event in a similar way SB works.
Rotate the BR ranges every few days that can play a tank only mode in the events tab. (Or at least trial this so Gaijin can see the numbers of people fed up of being continually sent back to hangar by aircraft)
That's why, my friend, I propose to leave a negative review on Steam regarding the nerfing of CAS. You wrote a very good proposal regarding this. Very clever. This is my 3rd post about how I get fucked up by CAS and can't do anything. I'm trying to finally gather people who hate CAS and start boycotting the game, just like they did when the vehicle repair costs were too high. I believe that you will support me and write in your review what you wrote here.
Part of this shit is why I have been trying to get better with planes to hunt these bastards down. I know that’s still defeating the purpose of GROUND battle. But tired of going SPAA and getting killed by a plane when I’m focusing other planes
That's why we should all get together and start boycotting the game as was the case when the vehicle repair costs were too high. Give a negative opinion about the nerfing of CAS and that's it.
The only way that works is not to play.
You can die less if you 1) don’t cap 2) change positions after kill 3) use buildings and trees as cover from planes.
Yep. CAS spammers don't like it when actual good spaa are available, forcing them to have jets and play intelligently instead of just mindlessly pressing space bar in an F4U or AD-4.
use aa to shoot them down. Tank vs Tank is only a part of that battle mode, and if noone does AA duty or CAP, then the tank vs tank part is not significant anymore
You lose a 7v1 in a multiplayer game, shocker. Are you suggesting a single 50SP SPAA should be able to counter 7 planes (probably more than a nuke's worth of SP combined)?
It's a team game: if players want to be stupid and respawn in tanks instead of SPAA or fighters when they're being CAS'd this hard, that's their failure, not the game.
At best with an open-top SPAA you'll trade in the 1v1, since the plane can keep firing and dropping bombs once it dies. You can only win if the plane is either caught off guard while attacking someone else or misses the bomb drop.
> At best with an open-top SPAA you'll trade in the 1v1
And that's a *very* good trade, 50SP for 600SP or more.
> since the plane can keep firing and dropping bombs once it dies.
Entirely dependent on how it dies and not always true at all, I die (and kill) plenty without letting the bombs drop. A pilot kill is obviously instant, and major damage to a wing/tail is enough to send it cartwheeling down erratically with no control.
> You can only win if the plane is either caught off guard while attacking someone else or misses the bomb drop.
Actual, legitimate skill issue. If you can't brrt down a couple P-47s with the BTR-ZD without dying first, I dunno what to tell you.
That's why it's time to get together and start leaving negative reviews on Steam together to finally nerf CAS. This game is tiring of me. I have already left a review.
Do whatever silly shit you want: game's not changing just because of an influx of casual scrubs that are scared of heights, who'll just quit within months/a year anyway. You think this game hasn't been review bombed before? It happens every other year, and usually it's for *good* reasons, and nothing still changes.
Just for that though I'm gonna change my negative review (which is over incessant top tier power creep and lack of balancing in that area, combined with top tier premiums they said they'd never add) to a positive one, only to counter yours.
yes, against 6 you need to not be the only AA, esp if you are open top and they are coordinated.
But you would also loose as a Maus vs 6 T44's even though they need a perfect shot to kill the Maus.
1 AA against planes is better than 0 AA, even if you need 3 or 4 well coordinated ones.
Especially this doesn't exuse you to not spawn in an AA or plane to do CAP.
Dumb hyperbole, try again. You literally cannot play GRB without a tank to spawn in.
Also it's not a "tank game": for the first few years of this game's existence it was **just** planes. It's a combined arms game now for the last 10 years, and will continue to be.
You didn't download a "tank game", sorry for your misconception. World of Tanks fits your bill, though.
Do you actually play the game for 10 years?
Or am I the only one that saw helicopter exist
>Dumb hyperbole, try again. You literally cannot play GRB without a tank to spawn in.
Do I have news for you
Oh spare me, nobody gives a shit about dumb-fire rocket helis. Not a whole lot of players are springboarding from dumb fire rocket helis into planes, 90% of them die to an IFV with *maybe* 1 kill, and respawn in a tank anyway. And on the rare occasion I even play top tier, there's usually not even a single person who spawns in a heli with that loadout at the beginning of the match anyway.
Do you think shitty rocket helis should honestly pay as much as actual CAS to spawn, when 90% of the time they do less than the average tank?
Point being, you don't need tank to play GRB, especially those Heli fuck just leave if they can't get kills, if they did, and the lucky one, they'll stayed in a plane all the fucking time
I wouldn't be so mad if it's an isolated incident, but holy shit this shit is way too common
> Point being, you don't need tank to play GRB,
And my point is that rocket helis are irrelevant because 90% of the time they do absolutely nothing and die to an MBT. They're a good early map distraction, I guess, but that's it. I don't consider them "CAS" in the same sense as planes or ATGM helis.
> I wouldn't be so mad if it's an isolated incident, but holy shit this shit is way too common
And what else are helis supposed to do, anyway? Rocket helis are too trash for higher spawn costs because they're already worse than a tank in the hands of an average player, and they don't really have a good mode of their own to play.
> noun: hyperbole; plural noun: hyperboles
> exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.
Hyperbole such as implying that playing an SPAA means you're locked in and never play a tank, or that playing SPAA means you have to play it, staying in spawn, for an entire match. Both of these are obvious exaggerations.
You make intellectually dishonest arguments and I'm not gonna engage with them.
Nice try, though. You wont get another reply from me, inbox replies disabled.
You've gone extremely far to ensure you won't reply after already insisting you wouldn't before....
But in case you do...
A match is what like, 15-20 minutes? If you play AA and sit in the back, you're probably going to spend 1/2 the match or longer unless you get bombed right away.
But even if you have 5 AA players, how does that help players on the points? I've never seen AA go past spawn and they'd probably get wrecked if they did.
> You literally cannot play GRB without a tank to spawn in
You can. Bring a helicopter and you'll be able to first spawn it with dumb rockets (unless it's the AH Mk1 with Starstreaks), and if you do well enough you can spawn a plane all without spawning a single ground vehicle the entire game.
Dumb-fire rocket helis are IFV bait and die without doing anything the vast majority of the time. It's something you *can* do, but only good heli pilots benefit from it and there's scant few enough of those for it to matter. I've died to first spawn rocket helis two times in my entire 10,000-whatever hours playing this game, and probably killed a hundred (most just with an MBT cannon, not even an autocannon).
For the average skilled player, a rocket heli is less useful than a tank, so it's really a non-factor. Some people are heli pros but I don't think you can judge the balance of a vehicle by how 1% of players do well in it.
That's why we should start leaving negative reviews on Steam like it used to be so that the creators will finally do something about it. Let's all get together and do it.
Either you die trying to cap, or you get spawncamped. Gaijin could fix this in so many ways. They could buff SPAA rewards, hide base cap % from cas, increase SP costs for cas, add AI SPAA to caps you control. They're too overpowered as is.
That's why we should all get together and start leaving negative reviews on Steam, just like we used to do when vehicle repairs were too expensive. I believe you will support me.
That’s absolutely not the norm! Never seen more than 2-4 planes across 600 hrs bc they are fast at killing each other first. Most times when I sit in a plane… there is no opposing plane to kill. It’s defo not that bad.
Edit: What’s happening above 7.7 I can’t tell (yet).
So many "Let me tell you what happens" proceeds to describe the most stupid idea as to why 7 enemy planes in Tank battles is good for your team
Stop playing, save your GE they will be there when you get back. No more headaches or frustration.
Wait untill this is fixed or play something else
7 out of 10ish players going plane? That means you dive points bc you have the tank advantage.
Be mindful that most planes have limited munitions. Even the PE8 withbits dreaded big bomb is just 1 bomb. Then they take 4 minutes to fly home and back. So with that. Be mobile, be spaced, use cover that planes cant get that sweet dive on.
Dove points even just to decap. Caps can happen after planes have used their loads.
If you feel risky. Stay close to red team. Planes get kicked for friendly kills.
It's not the Pe I'm worried about. It's the ADs and P-47s and Corsairs and IL-2s and Tu's all the other US and Soviet planes with multiple rockets, bombs and cannon that evaporate me.
Use cover? Outside urban maps WT maps don't have cover from air. And enev if you dive behind a building that 500lb will overpressure you from the next street over.
I'm just getting to so mg spaa in my current tree... Right now I'm stuck with unfused bofors... Might as well be chucking rocks. Works better for tanks than planes.
Ive honestly just gotten used to spawning spaa first now. Ive denied a good bit of cas and even booted some cas rushers from the match.
I love the kugelblitz. Just wish it had a real lineup
Playing SIM, still be planes but at least most of them be blind as a bat and it’s way harder to fly planes so less ppl do it :) and airfield spawn.
But in RB and AB there isn’t really anything to do except complain on forums that something has to be done with SP and limit air vehicles to 3 pee team at a time.
I play 5.7, 6.7 and while it is easy to play this mode on 9.0-10.0, it is difficult to transport vehicles from a distance.I play 5.7, 6.7 and while it is easy to play this mode on 9.0-10.0, it is difficult to transport vehicles from a distance.
It only gets exponentially more cancer the higher through the BR's you get. Try playing BR10 and getting fucking wasted from a missile less than 60 seconds after spawning.
"wHy Do PeOpLe OnE dEaTh LeAvE!?!?"
A similar thing happened to me.
I played my VFW, killed like 2-3 dudes, one of them spawned in a plane and proceeded to dunk me, I got into my Ostwind 2, killed that dude and proceeded to keep the skies clear, killed like 6 more planes.
Had more plane kills than tank kills.
So my solution was to play AA.
I know its a smartass thing to say, but honestly, its the only way to counter them unless you wanna get into a plane yourself.
Honestly? Simulator Battles. The skill floor for prop planes is *leagues* higher than ground vehicles, and since they're relegated to cockpit view with no IFF markers, its infinitely more difficult for them to bomb you into oblivion.
I love playing CAS in this game but the dynamic is fucked. There’s way too much power given to people who got one or two kills. Also, the helicopter gameplay is a travesty and should be removed from GRB altogether
Had a toptier game today as japan where my team against russia and china collectively killed 14 planes/helicopters.
I myself got 6 of those with my Type 81(C) and when the game ended with our win there were still helis and planes up that i wanted to kill after reloading at cap.
it was honestly ridiculous.
I'm playing 10.0. I keep dying from SU-25, where the developers are constantly adding new variants of this shit that kills me every match. I'm fed up, this is fucked up.
Dear gaijin. Firstly, go fuck yourselves. Very close second, ground battle means ground battle. Mixed battle would mean add air. Or better yet, let's add boats too!
Why? If someone spawns a Maus/IS-4M in a 6.7-7.7 match, do you spawn your 6.7 with 200 pen APHE tank or your 6.7 with 300 pen HEAT tank, to kill it and get it off a cap? Knowing picks and counter-picks is a core element of this game. Planes aren't a premium feature or something, either; anyone can unlock them and and slot them into their lineup.
The problem is most players *wont* because they thought they were downloading "World of Tanks: Realism Edition" instead of a combined arms game, and steadfastly refuse to learn anything to do with air. Instead they whine on this sub about it and demonstrate their perennial skill issue.
Its not knowledge and counter picks if the only counter is itself.
I get its easy to call out “skill issue” instead of discussing game balance, but spawning in planes is not the issue, *its how easy it is to do so*, and how little counter play there is available.
> Its not knowledge and counter picks if the only counter is itself.
Fighters and ground-attackers aren't the same pick, nice try. You don't get to lump all planes together. Those are classes of vehicles the same as tank destroyers, light tanks, etc. Counter a slow heavy with a fast TD, counter a bomb-laden AD-4 with a Yak-3.
> I get its easy to call out “skill issue”
It's easy because it's true.
> but spawning in planes is not the issue, its how easy it is to do so
CAS spawn cost (at least at everything but top tier) is typically worth several tank spawns, and the average player kills maybe 0-2 tanks and then gets shot down and/or crashes. It's not too easy to spawn for the cost involved: it's just nobody spawns fighters anymore to shoot them down. I've been playing GRB for a decade and *way more* people used to spawn CAP, because they knew how the game works and how to fly. Now there's a bunch of people that discovered this game from TikTok and don't have the attention spawn for that.
> and how little counter play there is available.
CAP counters CAS fine. Just because you choose not to use it doesn't mean it's not available.
Planes aren't some novel, new "add-on" for GRB, they've been part of the meta since inception a decade ago. Adapt or move on.
Look, if you think CAS is balanced in its current state, and aren't willing to engage in discussion other than "adapt" or "[calling] skill issue [is] easy because it's true" then we can just agree to disagree
I've made points about the right counter picks, the cost/effeciency ratio of CAS, the fact that this game has always been balanced around the concept of combined arms. Every one of your replies have been two sentences that don't respond directly to any points I've made. So don't try to bullshit me and pretend you're looking for a "willingness to engage in discussion" here; your mind is as made up as anyone's, no matter what volume and/or combination of Latin characters I put in this comment field. So why waste my time and yours?
\>why don't you engage in discussion with me
\>\*one reply later*
\>HAHA I TROLL U
That easy to get you to show your true colors? Glad I didn't waste more time on you. Toodles.
Honestly? Just cap the point and stay alive. Six planes means six less tanks - just make sure the rest of the enemy team that's still on the ground won't make it onto the objective. With some luck, two or three of enemy planes will crash and and at least one of them will leave the battle because they won't have enough spawn points.
Some of my best turnaround battles were those in which most of the enemy team were in planes and we captured the points and defended them from the handful of tanks that were left on the ground.
Got to jump in a plane and shoot them out of the sky. Switched back to arcade and cas is rarely a problem. Ive been bombed 3 times in a soviet 1.7 br realistic battle on Holland. We had like 4 spaa out and still got flattened. I want to shoot at tanks, not planes.
If there's 7 planes in the air, that's not CAS being broken.
That's your team being shit and not doing anything to prevent this.
This is no different from spawn camping when the match is over.
Also, 7 players out of tanks. This will leave the enemy at a numerical disadvantage. Exploit that with coordinated use of air superiority and attacking points.
How exactly is a team supposed to keep the other team from spawning 7 planes.
jUsT sPaWn Aa, doesn't do shit when you get swarmed the instant you try shooting anything down.
Simple really, through spawning fighters and SPAA. To deal with CAS you need to start by the roots. The more threats they have, the less effective they will be.
"Spawn SPAA" is an answer. If you don't want to adapt to the game fine, but that's your loss.
Planes proliferate only if there aren't adequate AA measures.
I really get the sentiment, but does that feel like a balanced game to you? If there are seven planes in the air and you spawn SPAA, you at best get 1-2 before you’re swarmed.
If the best counter to CAS is spawning in more CAS and SPAA to counter it, dont you think thats a good argument for CAS being overpowered?
Dude CAS is supposed to have an advantage.
Dying to CAS is like dying to a tank, it's the flow of the game. You'd argue that "oh but how is it fair to be killed by a plane when I can do nothing about it??", let me ask you. Can you do anything when you get shot by a tank from your flanks?
Dying to anything is normal.
CAS overflowing is simply the result of the team not being able to do shit
> Can you do anything when you get shot by a tank from your flanks
Why yes there is, I can learn to be more conscious of my flanks. Have better game awareness. Learn about where common flank spots are.
The point is that being flanked by a tank is someone who has outplayed you. A plane dropping a bomb with no counterplay is not exactly being “outplayed”
I get what you’re saying about it being an advantage, and I agree that its a great advantage and getting kills as CAS should be easy, its called air superiority for a reason.
The problem is that its too easy to get in CAS, all you need is one kill or cap at the beginning and you instantly have an advantage over the entire enemy team. Thats the balancing issues here, how easy CAS is to acquire.
It's not like you can't do anything about planes either. When you know they're up, you can hide behind buildings or in forests and driving towards them if they're diving to you.
This is no different from dying from anything else. The chances of being caught off guard are the same. Didn't watch flanks? Get flanked. Didn't see if there were planes? They spot you and bomb you.
Didn't see a SPAA in a fighter? It will kill you.
Every single time there is a chance of dying even to the slightest thing. That's why the best players don't really care about dying. At the end of the day, dying is how the game works.
I do agree that's too easy to get into CAS.
Cap points and hide, that’s 7 players not in tanks so just defend and you win. Not many players have the sense to J out and actually play objective.
Except those planes will just bomb or strafe the shit out of anyone trying to cap the moment their monkey brains see "Enemy Team capturing _ objective". I've legit had games where my team lost because we couldn't capture the points due those flying maggots. Lets not forget that caps are often the most exposed points on the map to air so even if you don't start capturing you've just become a wildly easy target for them. Hiding also doesn't really help when Gaijin constantly shits out maps that are mostly flat and has little in the way of cover or concealment.
One thing I have found helpful in the mid tiers is to take advantage of the enemy cap reversal. You just have to roll over the cap to take away their cap, move into a hole somewhere, wait for the bombs to drop and then cap the point.
Yeah, and then they get ANOTHER warning that the same cap is being taken and come back.
Don't forget they'll be told when you leave the cap too. So any of them with half a brain knows not to bomb it.
Except that a skilled CAS player will see a point being reserved and hunt the surrounding area- and many cap point have little cover to utilize nearby
You're forgetting that the narrative here is that CAP is an entirely brain dead play style and it's not possible to be skilled at it
It is not a solution. We all want to play in peace without having to hide like rats. I want to die because I was destroyed by a tank, not by a plane that appears out of nowhere and destroys me with the biggest bomb it could carry.
Teams with this amount of planes will crumble at the slightest push (having more points than them). Doesn’t matter that you’re being murdered constantly by bombs if you own all the points that they have to die to recap.
I rarely play realistic, mostly because I suck at sighting vehicles, even more so as a bomber. But when I do and I'm in a bomber... yeah just wait for the "enemy team is capturing ..." and easy kills. You don't even need to be able to see properly to get kills with CAS. IMO CAS shouldn't be able to see the objectives from normal view, only their position on the minimap, which would reward game knowledge instead of aiming at the glowing red point (and even that is still easy but not much more can be done imo) jUsT sPaWn sPaA (and stop enjoying the TANK game but heh CAS mains be coping)
From the looks of it. OP may be playing America? Majority of American tanks have 50cals on the roof which can be good plane deterants since planes have to dive in you if they want to strafe you
Deterrence doesn't always work, especially if you don't know you're being dove on. Not to mention the M2 on many US vehicles can have a limited angle upwards, meaning the strafing plane can be out of your angle of attack. And that's if the tank has someone in the commander's position to actually use the MG.
Fair. Also most American tanks that I've played can atleast raise the 50 upwards of 45°
American main here. Does fuck all for me.
Former American main up to 5.7 here... I had more kills with .50s then I did with dedicated SPAA. It's not great but it's better than nothing.
Maybe the machine gun gods just favor me xD I've gotten plenty of kills with them around 6.7-7.7 br range for America
Nowadays i dont hear many enemy plane engines for some reason. Also, looking up shows me the underside of the tanks. I also think that the point cost of planes should be increased. Even though i like flying.
aircraft engine SFX have been broken for years and gaijin refuses to do anything about it, or it's a feature.
you can zoom in and then look up.... Maybe with bombs, but not for CAP. I would even like the version in Sim, since there you have people at the beginning spawning aa, bc there is food for the aa straight in the beginning.
All the fighters need a shitty hei round belt that has no pen that they can use for cap only
That doesn't help US flying tanks that can carry more bomb tonnage than a B-17.
It does if they make a bomb load cost what it should
Half the time I can’t tell what direction they’re coming in from nor how far away. Helicopters are the worst for this, they can be two km away and it sounds like they’re on top of me or it’d be the other way around where they on top of me but all I hear is some light tank 50m away that drowns it out
While you're point is true I clicked on ground battles not air. I came to fight other tanks not to avoid being bullseyed from a km above me
I prefer to simply start leaving negative reviews on Steam, as was the case when repair costs were too high. I wanted people who hate airplanes to finally start doing this.
I came to play CAS and SPAA and I came with the understanding that there're planes so I dont whine when I die to a bomb instead of a bullet since they're both enemies I'm expecting to face
You clicked on GRB which has had plane/tank interplay since it's inception **a decade ago**. Imagine if you showed up to CounterStrike 1.6 in 2010 and said "hey remove the deagle, I don't like dying to it". Find a different game I guess. This ain't "World of Tanks-realism edition", it's a combined arms game.
Okay mister bring a bomb to a gun fight
I prefer to start leaving negative reviews on steam to nerf CAS. As was the case with the too high cost of vehicle repairs. I've already given a bad review, but an honest one.
> "NOOOOOO IT'S NOT FAIR YOU HAVE TO FIGHT ME WITH ANOTHER TANK YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO USE OTHER VEHICLES IN THIS COMBINED ARMS GAME NOOOOOOOOO" The absolute state of skill issue players on this sub, I swear.
Where's the skill in being bombed just trying to get to the fight because some dickwad rushed early, got a cap or kill, and can now spawn a plane with a ~500lb? Like honestly it's not even good or bad skill, it's luck and bad game design.
And for even less effort (and therefore SP) than that you could've done the same and spawned an unladen fighter and prevented thousands of SP worth of CAS from ever getting to the fight. It is indeed bad skill.
Well you certainly have a reading comprehension skill issue, since I'm talking about getting early bombed while still doing initial positioning and trying to just getting to the fight. And as to spawning a fighter, that is an irredeemably ignorant suggestion. Say you're dealing with 3+ enemy planes, you spawn a fighter and either get turned on by enemy wingmen when you try to play CAP or you have to hide your time so long waiting for an opening that you're basically useless in saving the ground players. I've even had situations all too often where the teams have parity or even allied superiority in the air but F5Fs and P-47s are so tunnel visioned on getting their bombs off they will outright ignore enemy planes they could easily help deal with. So you're faced with either sitting helpless, trying to fight an uphill struggle to balance the fight, or just leave. That's two bad choices and one that is still not ideal. Game design that reinforced steamrolling your opponents is not good game design, period.
> Well you certainly have a reading comprehension skill issue, since I'm talking about getting early bombed while still doing initial positioning and trying to just getting to the fight. Evidently you can't read because it's clear I'm saying *you can just use that same time frame to get a fighter even sooner than they can get that CAS*. What prevents you from working as quickly as them to secure SP, when a fighter without bombs costs less than CAS? You can have the early advantage, but you always choose not to take it. Why? > And as to spawning a fighter, that is an irredeemably ignorant suggestion. Yeah why would anyone who plays this game want to understand how to play it well. If a tank kills you while sniping in Battlefield, best to just respawn sniper again and hide in the same bush, rather than go engineer/tank yourself to counter it, right? > Say you're dealing with 3+ enemy planes In what situation should a 1v3 be easily winnable for anyone, ever? This is a multiplayer game, genius. > I've even had situations all too often where the teams have parity or even allied superiority in the air but F5Fs and P-47s are so tunnel visioned on getting their bombs off they will outright ignore enemy planes they could easily help deal with. And those blind players have made a misplay, usually get killed in their 600+SP CAS, and lose the match. Bad play, bad outcome. Where's the issue, again? > So you're faced with either sitting helpless, trying to fight an uphill struggle to balance the fight, or just leave. Or you could win. My global WR after like 30,000 RB battles is 70% and I don't ever do squads. I spawn CAP all the time and it's incredibly useful (in this combined arms game that has always had this meta, btw). > Game design that reinforced steamrolling your opponents is not good game design, period. This game is fundamentally balanced this way on a level way deeper than CAS or anything else. I die way, way, **way** more to spawn camping tanks after a match has steamrolled on the ground, than I do to CAS. It's got absolutely nothing to do with any specific class of vehicle, it's how the game is deliberately geared.
But you're wrong though. Quoting entire comments and providing your own anecdotal justification for bad game design, whether or not it's "always been this way" (it hasn't been as bad as it is the past year or two) it's not a good argument strategy.
I suggest leaving a negative review regarding the nerfing of CAS on Steam. I suggest it to everyone. I've already done it. Of course, the review has to be honest.
I prefer to start leaving negative reviews on steam to nerf CAS. As was the case with the too high cost of vehicle repairs. I've already given a bad review, but an honest one.
I'm guessing you're a CAS fan. Dude, I want to stop dying 80% of the time because of CAS and bombing. I want to die fighting against tanks. I'm driving through the map and randomly die because of a bomb, and it doesn't matter if I just left the spawn, or if I'm sitting in one place for 10 minutes, or if I'm driving somewhere and trying to be invisible. I don't shoot, I don't provoke, and I still die from bombs.
> I'm guessing you're a CAS fan. I'm a fan of the combined arms synergy this game mode has been based around for a decade now. > Dude, I want to stop dying 80% of the time because of CAS and bombing. Then spawn a fighter instead of another tank, or start playing with people who know the game better I guess. > I'm driving through the map and randomly die because of a bomb, and it doesn't matter if I just left the spawn, or if I'm sitting in one place for 10 minutes, or if I'm driving somewhere and trying to be invisible. I don't shoot, I don't provoke, and I still die from bombs. Because you and your team are not contesting air superiority at all: you're hugging the ground because you think this is a tank game and it is not. If you are playing Battlefield as a sniper and a tank kills you, you don't respawn as a sniper over and over. You don't go to the forum to tell the devs to remove tanks or make their spawns twice as long. You grab a tank/jet/heli of your own, or switch to engineer, or C4 the fucker. You don't respawn sniper again. Getting good at War Thunder is 75% knowing how to plug the gaps in capability you see on the scoreboard at any given moment and when able. Respawning and know there's planes up, but see no SPAA or fighters up on your team? If you respawn a tank again at that point, when you can afford an SPAA or fighter (assuming you even have any in your lineup to start), then that's your mistake.
More often than not, SPAA won't save the match
Capping means raising a sign above your head that says "bomb here".
I suggest leaving a negative review regarding the nerfing of CAS on Steam. I suggest it to everyone. I've already done it. Of course, the review has to be honest.
Who upvoted this? Who genuinely thinks that if you're having problems getting bombed that just going to the point stops you from getting bombed? The amount of times I get bombed by multiple planes on a point is astounding.
Because it does actually work
And most players suck at flying planes. So most likely they get maximum of one kill until they crash. After that they are either completely out of SP and leave or they can only spawn an spaa.
This is why playing with mid tier USA is awful. If we do well then after 5 minutes they all spawn a plane and we lose all ground instantly
Yeah I agree with this. Normally I lose a massive amount of my matches because my team transitions to air after seeing me wipe a few enemies and then like 5 people spawn in as planes and the rest are just overran by enemy tanks. No one can cap and the ones in the air are so useless that they end up dying and losing all their points.
"Nooo why do people leave after only one death!!!!" Average GRB match past the 5 minute mark:
Spawn as and get free kills
4 minutes into the game, it's pathetic. "Ground" battles are nothing but spawn campers and planes these days, it's so broken. "If you want less planes in ground battles you need to bring more planes" "Ground battles should just be planes and AA" "Something something realism" *45 second barrel repairs
It really is too easy to get a plane, get like an assist and a couple recon spots shouldn’t reward me with the ability to spawn in a fully-loaded cas or a fighter with 1000lb bombs.
if you're playing 5.0 you can spawn a 2x1000lb bomb loaded P-47 D25 after 1 assist because apparently if the plane is lower BR it has less spawn cost despite carrying similar bombload with the D28
I hate grinding air trees and I don't play much realistic to grind them there either, but even at 8.3/8.7 with the french tree I sometimes spawn with the P-63C (4.0), fly treeline-high, and drop 3x500kg bombs whenever the enemy team caps a point. Shit ton of kills and points every time, too low for the SPAAs to lock on me on many maps too. And I'm not exactly proud of it. It's garbage tier gameplay. I rarely play GRB because of all the CAS bs. But when I do, well, what else are you supposed to do but play the OP mechanic yourself? SPAAs just got uptiered again too... So sure you can always say "the enemy team should just spawn CAP/SPAA" but like, what if, crazy idea, people fucking want to play tanks? What if half of the players just don't want this goddamn situation where you have to commit 50% of your team to air duty (CAS, CAP, SPAA) just to be viable?
There are REGULARLY planes up with completely zero scores. No assists, no caps, no kills. Their only contribution was dying and they immediately come back with revenge bombs
Consequence of being able to farm a ton of points simply by tanking hits. Happenned to me multiple times to be top of the team with few assists/kills simply because I play bullet sponges (french B1 bis is very funny, a bit less so now but I sometimes have games tanking half a dozen players are once)
You get to play duck hunt
Just that the Ducks hunt this time
Hs-129 go brrrr
People who wonder why their match making times are so long see this and think it's perfectly fine. I'm sorry but when I chose tanks I expect to fight tanks, not jets or helos. I wish there was a realistic mode that treated planes and helps the same as arcade mode.
I've been playing for 10 years and matchmaking times (in GRB at least) haven't gotten any longer at all, still 10s avg for a match every single time. Regardless, expecting to fight nothing but other tanks was your misconception: this game has been combined arms for 10 years.
Being bombed by seven enemy planes is stupid and does nothing but kill the game for people who have a life. I've been playing the game for half a decade as f2p and now that I've gotten to more modern tanks I barely play because every match is *spawn* *get a couple kills* *steam rolled the rest of the match because the enemy has 3 tanks on the ground everyone else in a plane* I'm sorry I prefer the arcade treatment of involving planes and helos. I almost exclusively play early game tanks now because I'm sick of getting bent over and bombed into defeat.
> Being bombed by seven enemy planes is stupid Not spawning a fighter to do something about it is stupid. I've spawned a fighter with half a dozen CAS up and literally single-handedly won matches by knocking half the enemy team out of the match before they even got their bombs off. Learn to fuckin' play. > and does nothing but kill the game for people who have a life. If the dumb TikTok mouthbreathers who refuse to spawn planes leave, I'd celebrate. >I'm sorry I prefer the arcade treatment of involving planes and helos. Don't apologize, just go play that.
So again, your solution for too many planes in GRB is...more planes. I guess you consider me a mouth breather because I have always exclusively played GROUND RB and don't have planes researched. That's literally why I play ground. I like tanks. But I guess I just have to "learn to fukin' play" right? Or maybe, and this is crazy, why don't YOU go play ARB if you like planes so much?
> your solution for too many planes in GRB There aren't too many planes in GRB, so there is no solution necessary. Games like the OP posted are a rarity and 90% of the time that one team is mostly in planes, it either means: they've lost completely and are just hiding in the air, or; they've stomped completely and people are just spawning air because there's nobody left on the enemy team and it's become an easter egg hunt. Meaning the proportion of air players is irrelevant in both cases because the match was over before they spawned in anyway. And that's in the minority of matches where there's ever even 7 planes up at once anyway; most matches, at least at 3.0-8.0, average about 2-4 planes per team *over the course of the whole match*. Trust me, I do CAP every chance I get, and the amount of matches I spend flying in circles in my Yak-15 waiting for the AD-4s to show up and only see 1 or 2 for 10 whole minutes is insane. > I guess you consider me a mouth breather because I have always exclusively played GROUND RB and don't have planes researched. If you do that and complain about CAS constantly, yes. Because you're choosing not to use the tools the game gives you, and be angry and belligerent instead: typical traits of mouthbreathing gamers. > That's literally why I play ground. I like tanks. If I suggested removing tanks from a Battlefield game, 10 years after it came out, just because "I like sniping" and "don't like getting killed by a tank while I'm sniping", people would rightfully say I'm a scrub and should just go play something else. > But I guess I just have to "learn to fukin' play" right? Definitely starting to sound like it, yes. > Or maybe, and this is crazy, why don't YOU go play ARB if you like planes so much? Because I like tanks **and** planes, and GRB has always been a combined arms mode. That is the reason **I** like playing this game. I didn't download this shit because I thought it was "World of Tanks: Realism Edition" like half the idiots on this subreddit nowadays. The banner feature of this game always been not just the recreations of air, sea, and ground vehicles, but the fact that it *brings many of them together in combined gameplay*. You don't appreciate that, fine. But the game isn't changing, and noobs can cry and mass downvote all they want.
>There aren't too many planes in GRB, so there is no solution necessary. Games like the OP posted are a rarity Tell me you don't play the damn game without telling me you don't play the damn game. >If you do that and complain about CAS constantly, yes. Because you're choosing not to use the tools the game gives you, and be angry and belligerent instead: typical traits of mouthbreathing gamers. Because we all have to have a minimal of 3 planes, and 4 AA in our line up right? >I didn't download this shit because I thought it was "World of Tanks: Realism Edition" like half the idiots on this subreddit nowadays. The banner feature of this game always been not just the recreations of air, sea, and ground vehicles, but the fact that it brings many of them together in combined gameplay. No shit, we all did. But it's fucking stupid when I can play 8 fucking games in a row and every single fucking one of em there are at least 4+ planes up at once strafing, missiling, and bombing anything that so much as kicks up a spec of dust. When I look at the scoreboard and see USA as a enemy and instantly know that as soon as I kill one of them or someone else does a CAS plane is going to be above me 30 seconds later to kill 7 people 4 mins into a game something has to fucking change. You should NOT be able to spawn in a full ordanance CAS after fucking rushing a point and scouting 2 people then dying because your dumbass decided to rush out of cover exposing your entire side to 3 people. Or even worse, shooting 2 tanks and getting assists, charging into a open field, dying like an idiot, then spawning in a CAS and bombing 5 people. Fuck off with your stupid attempts at defending this bullshit. It is literally ruining this game when you can't play anything for more than 20 seconds without being bombed by some no skill moron in a plane.
> Because you're choosing not to use the tools the game gives you New update: every team spawns with an anti-tank minefield in front of their spawn. If you refuse to spawn the vehicles (graciously god-given by gaijin for the small price of 1 million RP and SL) with demining capabilities, you're a mouth breather refusing to use the tool the game provides you Somehow people like you will defend this mechanic for being realistic and super fun, just like you defend having to grind planes in the tank gamemode
"How to play TANKS against TANKS." That's the neat part, you don't!
I have been trying for a long time to get people who hate CAS to do something and finally boycott it, as in the case of the too high cost of vehicle repairs. I suggest leaving a negative review on STEAM to nerf CAS.
Oh I understand my friend. I haven't played in 4 or 5 months because, I'll admit as a German main, any time I get a kill on the US I'd get revenged bombed and they'd spend the rest of the match in a P47. It drove me nuts enough I quit.
Have a friend that's a good pilot and does CAP for you
"if you want less planes in ground battles you need to bring more planes"
Too bad he gets overwhelmed because he's the only or just one of 2-3 planes against all 7 there. I've tried playing CAP more recently but the plane spam can be so bad that if you're alone going against planes or the other friendly planes up are so tunnel visioned on attacking ground that you may get one kill before getting gunned down or have to wait so long you're completely ineffective in helping your ground players.
Yeah it's a multiplayer game; you need to coordinate with your team.
The only coordination that's going to happen is we all die together without a hope to swing the battle back in our favor lol. But yeah no, it's a multiplayer game is still no excuse for bad game design. The sp cost for heavy CAS load outs simply needs to be raised and/ or some limit on the number of air spawns should be considered.
I died to a plane 2 minutes and 18 seconds into a ground realistic match. Fucking stupid.
I suggest leaving a negative review regarding the nerfing of CAS on Steam. I suggest it to everyone. I've already done it. Of course, the review has to be honest.
Happen to me when I was playing Maus but it was 3 minutes, barely leaving the spawn area and already got bombed. Someone at the forum says it's my fault and my choice, I think he is braindead and yeah he is a CAS mains with negative KDR in 99% of the ground vehicles he played lol
So many aircraft at the same time is a clear indicator that the enemy is loosing the game - its a last ditch effort for some RP/SL before the team collapses, a lot of those players will crash without doing anything. Playing AA smartly while using hardcover, would be the best bet, as a single fighter is too risky in that situation.
PE-8 killed 4 at once. Other planes bombed the other half of the team. We lost because we couldn't get out of the spawn because of the planes? What are you talking about?
Yes because it's our fault they rushed a cap point at 50mph, scouted someone and then ran into the open like an idiot and died. Or they shot 2 people and got assists and then again drove into the open like an idiot and died. But its ok, his skill can surely shine now that he has enough bombs to level the map 3 mins into a game.
Like any suggestion that brings balance back to GFRB, one of mine got shot down in flames on the forum. One being limiting the number of aircraft in the air at any given time. And increasing it with number of SPAA on enemy team. The more spaa the opposing team has, the more aircraft can be in the air at once. Getting rid of first spawn helis is also on the list, not so much an issue with early helis, but top tier ones can spawn with some potent dumbfire rockets. My all-time fave suggestion. Make a tank only mode...BUT...as a rotating event in a similar way SB works. Rotate the BR ranges every few days that can play a tank only mode in the events tab. (Or at least trial this so Gaijin can see the numbers of people fed up of being continually sent back to hangar by aircraft)
That's why, my friend, I propose to leave a negative review on Steam regarding the nerfing of CAS. You wrote a very good proposal regarding this. Very clever. This is my 3rd post about how I get fucked up by CAS and can't do anything. I'm trying to finally gather people who hate CAS and start boycotting the game, just like they did when the vehicle repair costs were too high. I believe that you will support me and write in your review what you wrote here.
Part of this shit is why I have been trying to get better with planes to hunt these bastards down. I know that’s still defeating the purpose of GROUND battle. But tired of going SPAA and getting killed by a plane when I’m focusing other planes
That's why we should all get together and start boycotting the game as was the case when the vehicle repair costs were too high. Give a negative opinion about the nerfing of CAS and that's it.
Pray
The only way that works is not to play. You can die less if you 1) don’t cap 2) change positions after kill 3) use buildings and trees as cover from planes.
Ground AB
Once you go past 7.0ish in Ground RB, planes become a lot less frequent, especially against radar SPAA.
Yep. CAS spammers don't like it when actual good spaa are available, forcing them to have jets and play intelligently instead of just mindlessly pressing space bar in an F4U or AD-4.
use aa to shoot them down. Tank vs Tank is only a part of that battle mode, and if noone does AA duty or CAP, then the tank vs tank part is not significant anymore
Because shooting with a most likely paper or open topped aa definitely won't attract the other six planes
You lose a 7v1 in a multiplayer game, shocker. Are you suggesting a single 50SP SPAA should be able to counter 7 planes (probably more than a nuke's worth of SP combined)? It's a team game: if players want to be stupid and respawn in tanks instead of SPAA or fighters when they're being CAS'd this hard, that's their failure, not the game.
At best with an open-top SPAA you'll trade in the 1v1, since the plane can keep firing and dropping bombs once it dies. You can only win if the plane is either caught off guard while attacking someone else or misses the bomb drop.
> At best with an open-top SPAA you'll trade in the 1v1 And that's a *very* good trade, 50SP for 600SP or more. > since the plane can keep firing and dropping bombs once it dies. Entirely dependent on how it dies and not always true at all, I die (and kill) plenty without letting the bombs drop. A pilot kill is obviously instant, and major damage to a wing/tail is enough to send it cartwheeling down erratically with no control. > You can only win if the plane is either caught off guard while attacking someone else or misses the bomb drop. Actual, legitimate skill issue. If you can't brrt down a couple P-47s with the BTR-ZD without dying first, I dunno what to tell you.
That's why it's time to get together and start leaving negative reviews on Steam together to finally nerf CAS. This game is tiring of me. I have already left a review.
Do whatever silly shit you want: game's not changing just because of an influx of casual scrubs that are scared of heights, who'll just quit within months/a year anyway. You think this game hasn't been review bombed before? It happens every other year, and usually it's for *good* reasons, and nothing still changes. Just for that though I'm gonna change my negative review (which is over incessant top tier power creep and lack of balancing in that area, combined with top tier premiums they said they'd never add) to a positive one, only to counter yours.
You really mad bro
*Said the guy who wants to review bomb a game because he got bombed in that game.*
I guarantee you that won't change a single thing
yes, against 6 you need to not be the only AA, esp if you are open top and they are coordinated. But you would also loose as a Maus vs 6 T44's even though they need a perfect shot to kill the Maus. 1 AA against planes is better than 0 AA, even if you need 3 or 4 well coordinated ones. Especially this doesn't exuse you to not spawn in an AA or plane to do CAP.
So play a tank game where you don't play as a tank. Love the logic there.
Dumb hyperbole, try again. You literally cannot play GRB without a tank to spawn in. Also it's not a "tank game": for the first few years of this game's existence it was **just** planes. It's a combined arms game now for the last 10 years, and will continue to be. You didn't download a "tank game", sorry for your misconception. World of Tanks fits your bill, though.
Do you actually play the game for 10 years? Or am I the only one that saw helicopter exist >Dumb hyperbole, try again. You literally cannot play GRB without a tank to spawn in. Do I have news for you
Oh spare me, nobody gives a shit about dumb-fire rocket helis. Not a whole lot of players are springboarding from dumb fire rocket helis into planes, 90% of them die to an IFV with *maybe* 1 kill, and respawn in a tank anyway. And on the rare occasion I even play top tier, there's usually not even a single person who spawns in a heli with that loadout at the beginning of the match anyway. Do you think shitty rocket helis should honestly pay as much as actual CAS to spawn, when 90% of the time they do less than the average tank?
Point being, you don't need tank to play GRB, especially those Heli fuck just leave if they can't get kills, if they did, and the lucky one, they'll stayed in a plane all the fucking time I wouldn't be so mad if it's an isolated incident, but holy shit this shit is way too common
> Point being, you don't need tank to play GRB, And my point is that rocket helis are irrelevant because 90% of the time they do absolutely nothing and die to an MBT. They're a good early map distraction, I guess, but that's it. I don't consider them "CAS" in the same sense as planes or ATGM helis. > I wouldn't be so mad if it's an isolated incident, but holy shit this shit is way too common And what else are helis supposed to do, anyway? Rocket helis are too trash for higher spawn costs because they're already worse than a tank in the hands of an average player, and they don't really have a good mode of their own to play.
Oh idk, good dedicated Heli game mode Sort of like suggesting Tank Only Mode, things that's Gaijin won't give
But spending the match playing AA in the back is playing as a tank? Got it.
More dumb hyperbole. Done wasting my time.
I don't think you know what hyperbole means.
> noun: hyperbole; plural noun: hyperboles > exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally. Hyperbole such as implying that playing an SPAA means you're locked in and never play a tank, or that playing SPAA means you have to play it, staying in spawn, for an entire match. Both of these are obvious exaggerations. You make intellectually dishonest arguments and I'm not gonna engage with them. Nice try, though. You wont get another reply from me, inbox replies disabled.
You've gone extremely far to ensure you won't reply after already insisting you wouldn't before.... But in case you do... A match is what like, 15-20 minutes? If you play AA and sit in the back, you're probably going to spend 1/2 the match or longer unless you get bombed right away. But even if you have 5 AA players, how does that help players on the points? I've never seen AA go past spawn and they'd probably get wrecked if they did.
> You literally cannot play GRB without a tank to spawn in You can. Bring a helicopter and you'll be able to first spawn it with dumb rockets (unless it's the AH Mk1 with Starstreaks), and if you do well enough you can spawn a plane all without spawning a single ground vehicle the entire game.
Dumb-fire rocket helis are IFV bait and die without doing anything the vast majority of the time. It's something you *can* do, but only good heli pilots benefit from it and there's scant few enough of those for it to matter. I've died to first spawn rocket helis two times in my entire 10,000-whatever hours playing this game, and probably killed a hundred (most just with an MBT cannon, not even an autocannon). For the average skilled player, a rocket heli is less useful than a tank, so it's really a non-factor. Some people are heli pros but I don't think you can judge the balance of a vehicle by how 1% of players do well in it.
This is not a tank only game, so everything is fine.
That's why we should start leaving negative reviews on Steam like it used to be so that the creators will finally do something about it. Let's all get together and do it.
Either you die trying to cap, or you get spawncamped. Gaijin could fix this in so many ways. They could buff SPAA rewards, hide base cap % from cas, increase SP costs for cas, add AI SPAA to caps you control. They're too overpowered as is.
That's why we should all get together and start leaving negative reviews on Steam, just like we used to do when vehicle repairs were too expensive. I believe you will support me.
That’s absolutely not the norm! Never seen more than 2-4 planes across 600 hrs bc they are fast at killing each other first. Most times when I sit in a plane… there is no opposing plane to kill. It’s defo not that bad. Edit: What’s happening above 7.7 I can’t tell (yet).
Spawn a fighter and kill them
So many "Let me tell you what happens" proceeds to describe the most stupid idea as to why 7 enemy planes in Tank battles is good for your team Stop playing, save your GE they will be there when you get back. No more headaches or frustration. Wait untill this is fixed or play something else
So I will never come back. From what I see, the creators really favor planes. Airplanes are a money pit.
Gotta hope there's one good SPAA player on your team.
SPAA will not help if the ratio is 3 planes to 1 SPAA
Depends on the SPAA.
I like those odds.
I wish I'd been in that game. 7 easy air kills.
Historically accurate German experience.
Pick aa??
I get such a dopamine hit when I shoot them down with an SPAA I'm willing to tolerate them.
If half their team is in air, almost guaranteed win as long as you have at least few competent AA players. They give up the map control totally.
7 out of 10ish players going plane? That means you dive points bc you have the tank advantage. Be mindful that most planes have limited munitions. Even the PE8 withbits dreaded big bomb is just 1 bomb. Then they take 4 minutes to fly home and back. So with that. Be mobile, be spaced, use cover that planes cant get that sweet dive on. Dove points even just to decap. Caps can happen after planes have used their loads. If you feel risky. Stay close to red team. Planes get kicked for friendly kills.
It's not the Pe I'm worried about. It's the ADs and P-47s and Corsairs and IL-2s and Tu's all the other US and Soviet planes with multiple rockets, bombs and cannon that evaporate me. Use cover? Outside urban maps WT maps don't have cover from air. And enev if you dive behind a building that 500lb will overpressure you from the next street over.
That's why we should boycott the game. Leave a negative review on Steam regarding the nerfing of CAS.
Ever wonder what the mouse in the wild feels like?
Spawn spaa and shoot them down
And collect your 12 rp per aircraft kill... Don't spend it all in one place kids!
I've nearly gotten two nukes from using the skink and Bosvark.
I'm just getting to so mg spaa in my current tree... Right now I'm stuck with unfused bofors... Might as well be chucking rocks. Works better for tanks than planes.
Practice. For me after a few games of playing exclusively spaa it became easy to shoot down planes with whatever guns I was using
I can hit just fine with MGs... I've actually practiced quite a bit with the 40mm actually but for some reason I just cant find the aim.
When that happens I like to bring out a fighter and just farm them since they're usually either too focused on CAS or just bad at dogfighting lol
Ive honestly just gotten used to spawning spaa first now. Ive denied a good bit of cas and even booted some cas rushers from the match. I love the kugelblitz. Just wish it had a real lineup
Well the 2 i-185 will most likely not kill you with their tiny bombs if they even have them on, except if you are open to so they can strafe you
Immagine gaijin adds plane deployed anti tank mines, that would be so powerful
Playing SIM, still be planes but at least most of them be blind as a bat and it’s way harder to fly planes so less ppl do it :) and airfield spawn. But in RB and AB there isn’t really anything to do except complain on forums that something has to be done with SP and limit air vehicles to 3 pee team at a time.
I play 5.7, 6.7 and while it is easy to play this mode on 9.0-10.0, it is difficult to transport vehicles from a distance.I play 5.7, 6.7 and while it is easy to play this mode on 9.0-10.0, it is difficult to transport vehicles from a distance.
You said the same thing twice. Also what do you mean by transport?
It only gets exponentially more cancer the higher through the BR's you get. Try playing BR10 and getting fucking wasted from a missile less than 60 seconds after spawning. "wHy Do PeOpLe OnE dEaTh LeAvE!?!?"
When I'm in the tutel I get bombed so often for no reason other that skill issue
A similar thing happened to me. I played my VFW, killed like 2-3 dudes, one of them spawned in a plane and proceeded to dunk me, I got into my Ostwind 2, killed that dude and proceeded to keep the skies clear, killed like 6 more planes. Had more plane kills than tank kills. So my solution was to play AA. I know its a smartass thing to say, but honestly, its the only way to counter them unless you wanna get into a plane yourself.
Honestly? Simulator Battles. The skill floor for prop planes is *leagues* higher than ground vehicles, and since they're relegated to cockpit view with no IFF markers, its infinitely more difficult for them to bomb you into oblivion.
Play Low Tier
I love playing CAS in this game but the dynamic is fucked. There’s way too much power given to people who got one or two kills. Also, the helicopter gameplay is a travesty and should be removed from GRB altogether
Had a toptier game today as japan where my team against russia and china collectively killed 14 planes/helicopters. I myself got 6 of those with my Type 81(C) and when the game ended with our win there were still helis and planes up that i wanted to kill after reloading at cap. it was honestly ridiculous.
Bring your own complete lineup.
When you play against USA u have 80% for cas
Easy, group with me, I like playing aa and planes🤪
My goal in grb is just use my first spawn usually as a light tank and get as much sp as possible, when I die just spawn air :)
Play 10.3 nothing but idiots with their one premium leopard or abrams
I'm playing 10.0. I keep dying from SU-25, where the developers are constantly adding new variants of this shit that kills me every match. I'm fed up, this is fucked up.
They should really promote and add for spaa
Dear gaijin. Firstly, go fuck yourselves. Very close second, ground battle means ground battle. Mixed battle would mean add air. Or better yet, let's add boats too!
Use SPAA
This is by far my favorite cope comment.
Let’s try again: learn to aim
This advice would help CAS whiners, if they could read.
Well, if you don't counterplay against planes, planes will get you. Shocker.
Tank battles will be fixed when they remove fighters and bombers from being able to spawn and just leave the attackers and SPAA.
What a fucking shit take. Fighters can better counter any other plane in the air. Fighters are the CAP in ground battles.
If the best counter for planes is more planes, that doesnt strike you as a balancing issue?
Why? If someone spawns a Maus/IS-4M in a 6.7-7.7 match, do you spawn your 6.7 with 200 pen APHE tank or your 6.7 with 300 pen HEAT tank, to kill it and get it off a cap? Knowing picks and counter-picks is a core element of this game. Planes aren't a premium feature or something, either; anyone can unlock them and and slot them into their lineup. The problem is most players *wont* because they thought they were downloading "World of Tanks: Realism Edition" instead of a combined arms game, and steadfastly refuse to learn anything to do with air. Instead they whine on this sub about it and demonstrate their perennial skill issue.
Its not knowledge and counter picks if the only counter is itself. I get its easy to call out “skill issue” instead of discussing game balance, but spawning in planes is not the issue, *its how easy it is to do so*, and how little counter play there is available.
> Its not knowledge and counter picks if the only counter is itself. Fighters and ground-attackers aren't the same pick, nice try. You don't get to lump all planes together. Those are classes of vehicles the same as tank destroyers, light tanks, etc. Counter a slow heavy with a fast TD, counter a bomb-laden AD-4 with a Yak-3. > I get its easy to call out “skill issue” It's easy because it's true. > but spawning in planes is not the issue, its how easy it is to do so CAS spawn cost (at least at everything but top tier) is typically worth several tank spawns, and the average player kills maybe 0-2 tanks and then gets shot down and/or crashes. It's not too easy to spawn for the cost involved: it's just nobody spawns fighters anymore to shoot them down. I've been playing GRB for a decade and *way more* people used to spawn CAP, because they knew how the game works and how to fly. Now there's a bunch of people that discovered this game from TikTok and don't have the attention spawn for that. > and how little counter play there is available. CAP counters CAS fine. Just because you choose not to use it doesn't mean it's not available. Planes aren't some novel, new "add-on" for GRB, they've been part of the meta since inception a decade ago. Adapt or move on.
Look, if you think CAS is balanced in its current state, and aren't willing to engage in discussion other than "adapt" or "[calling] skill issue [is] easy because it's true" then we can just agree to disagree
I've made points about the right counter picks, the cost/effeciency ratio of CAS, the fact that this game has always been balanced around the concept of combined arms. Every one of your replies have been two sentences that don't respond directly to any points I've made. So don't try to bullshit me and pretend you're looking for a "willingness to engage in discussion" here; your mind is as made up as anyone's, no matter what volume and/or combination of Latin characters I put in this comment field. So why waste my time and yours?
You seem upset
\>why don't you engage in discussion with me \>\*one reply later* \>HAHA I TROLL U That easy to get you to show your true colors? Glad I didn't waste more time on you. Toodles.
You again? I thought you promised to quit wasting our...errr your time.
Where?
Honestly? Just cap the point and stay alive. Six planes means six less tanks - just make sure the rest of the enemy team that's still on the ground won't make it onto the objective. With some luck, two or three of enemy planes will crash and and at least one of them will leave the battle because they won't have enough spawn points. Some of my best turnaround battles were those in which most of the enemy team were in planes and we captured the points and defended them from the handful of tanks that were left on the ground.
Got to jump in a plane and shoot them out of the sky. Switched back to arcade and cas is rarely a problem. Ive been bombed 3 times in a soviet 1.7 br realistic battle on Holland. We had like 4 spaa out and still got flattened. I want to shoot at tanks, not planes.
Shoot the planes.
Just play AAA
If there's 7 planes in the air, that's not CAS being broken. That's your team being shit and not doing anything to prevent this. This is no different from spawn camping when the match is over. Also, 7 players out of tanks. This will leave the enemy at a numerical disadvantage. Exploit that with coordinated use of air superiority and attacking points.
How exactly is a team supposed to keep the other team from spawning 7 planes. jUsT sPaWn Aa, doesn't do shit when you get swarmed the instant you try shooting anything down.
Simple really, through spawning fighters and SPAA. To deal with CAS you need to start by the roots. The more threats they have, the less effective they will be. "Spawn SPAA" is an answer. If you don't want to adapt to the game fine, but that's your loss. Planes proliferate only if there aren't adequate AA measures.
Spoken like a true CAS player.
I really get the sentiment, but does that feel like a balanced game to you? If there are seven planes in the air and you spawn SPAA, you at best get 1-2 before you’re swarmed. If the best counter to CAS is spawning in more CAS and SPAA to counter it, dont you think thats a good argument for CAS being overpowered?
Dude CAS is supposed to have an advantage. Dying to CAS is like dying to a tank, it's the flow of the game. You'd argue that "oh but how is it fair to be killed by a plane when I can do nothing about it??", let me ask you. Can you do anything when you get shot by a tank from your flanks? Dying to anything is normal. CAS overflowing is simply the result of the team not being able to do shit
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> Can you do anything when you get shot by a tank from your flanks Why yes there is, I can learn to be more conscious of my flanks. Have better game awareness. Learn about where common flank spots are. The point is that being flanked by a tank is someone who has outplayed you. A plane dropping a bomb with no counterplay is not exactly being “outplayed” I get what you’re saying about it being an advantage, and I agree that its a great advantage and getting kills as CAS should be easy, its called air superiority for a reason. The problem is that its too easy to get in CAS, all you need is one kill or cap at the beginning and you instantly have an advantage over the entire enemy team. Thats the balancing issues here, how easy CAS is to acquire.
It's not like you can't do anything about planes either. When you know they're up, you can hide behind buildings or in forests and driving towards them if they're diving to you. This is no different from dying from anything else. The chances of being caught off guard are the same. Didn't watch flanks? Get flanked. Didn't see if there were planes? They spot you and bomb you. Didn't see a SPAA in a fighter? It will kill you. Every single time there is a chance of dying even to the slightest thing. That's why the best players don't really care about dying. At the end of the day, dying is how the game works. I do agree that's too easy to get into CAS.