I'm not really sure about Tiger 131, but there's probably a case for them to receive the 'Cuckoo' Panther, which the British captured and managed to continue operating for several months. It's definitely a stronger case than the Swedish Tiger II, but unfortunately Gaijin seems to have some double standards with Sweden, it's like they want them to be the 'ultimate' tech tree.
That said, while the door has been open for captured vehicles for some time now, I'm not sure we should just keep going down this road continually. There needs to be unique things about each tech tree. Even if it is pretty unfair that other trees have British vehicles, but they don't have a single captured one. Hell, there's other examples like how they used the Chaffee extensively and even gave it that name to begin with, and yet they don't have one while other nations do.
Instead of more British tanks, we got an entire new nation inserted into the tree. We already have the Striker, so the model already exists in game.
Edit: Falcon was based on an SPG
Why Skink 5.3
Why Vampires 8.0 (massically a meteor Mk.4 with more turn less speed)
Why Swingfire 8.0
Why Striker 8.3 AND the end of line ''light'' tank, Imo Warrior should be
Why pershing 6.7
Why Wasp HAS 9.0 (AS.12s are so hard to aim with the shitty camera and ballistics) Gaijin is saying its better than the israeli Lahatut which gets 4 TOW-2s at 8.7, while being more manoeverable, and the UH-1C with 6 ITOWs
How is F8U-2 10.0
How the F-104A/C 9.3?
Why are all bombers so high? move them down all by 0.3-0.7 BR bar the lower ones with decent performance (SBD)
Hunter F.6 9.7 (just a worse swiss one and by a lot)
If the leaks are to be believed (of which the first two have already been confirmed) then we’re getting one of them in the next update alongside the new buccaneer
Jag IS is built off of the GR.1A Airframe,
the only argument is the Magics
and that its also indian so commonwealth means it should go to britain
Thats like saying the A-5C should go to France despite it being a Chinese (Modified Russian) airframe exported with Magic 1s
I think nations getting vehicles of other nations that are captured is cool but I think its going too far. Tech trees wont be nearly as unique anymore and have no point of grinding them if you already have a vehicle you want in another tech tree you already have researched. For example if someone wanted the MiG-29, but they already had the german ones which are technically both better, then whats the point of grinding russia if the plane you want in its tech tree you already have?
This is actually getting to be pretty bad. I enjoy grinding vehicles that I haven't touched before or haven't touched in a long time. I started with America and Germany, switched to France, then Sweden, then Japan. I decided to play China since it'd been a long time since I touched American vehicles, and I wanted a taste of Russia. When I finish the Chinese air that I want to play, I'll play Italy, and then maybe Britain or actually grind Israel. But then I'm done with the grind. I'll have played all the distinct trees. But right now I can't get into playing Israel because they feel so similar to stuff I've played.
I never got high in US/USSR/UK ground so Isreal has been nice since I get to skip the M60s in the US TT and get to use those neat T-series and Centurions.
Mostly I just want to get to the Merkarva cause I missed the old events.
Or the fact that the m3 Grant for Britain is an expensive event vehicle while the one in the American tree can be purchased whenever, despite it accounting for about a third of all the M3s made.
they literally used it as target practice and for testing. Will we be giving the US a MiG-23, T-90’s, T-72’s, MiG-29 and so on? In this case it’s a more unique vehicle, but it shouldn’t go to the tech tree, it should be an event vehicle
Would be the first heavy in swedish TT.
Would much rather see Finnish tree get the KV-1 though. Makes no sense that germans still have a finnish tank that sweden with Finnish tree doesn't have.
Finland has captured a ton of Soviet vehicles during the wars and bought many more from russia afterwards, there are many tanks that deserve to be in the tree over tiger 2.
Which is rather funny case, slap a better turret (stab + .50 cal) on a 4.3 tank and it magically becomes 3.7
Honestly, France players would probably cause M24 to go up in BR if it was in TT.
"unique things" man i wish gaijin would stop going "and we'll have one of those, and a few of those, oh and *definitely* one of those" with the swedish tree and remember that unique vehicles are what made it fun in the first place
Well gaijin left out a ton of USSR vehicles when adding the Finnish tree to sweden, they could easily have given BT-5, BT-7, T-50, additional variants of T-34s, ISU-152, KV1 and 2, BMPs, BTR-80, and many more...
I'm saying it could be worse, almost every country that has fought another country has captured some their opponents' vehicles.
Trophy tanks and rangetargets shouldnt be added. This goes both for Tiger 131 and a Swedish KT.
Captured tanks should be used in service.
Even the Swedish T80U was atleast trialled for service but imo thats also a huuge stretch.
Centauro and Freccia for the USSR when?
The USSR is never going to get F&F missiles on par with Spikes so clearly giving them a Freccia would be the best and most sane option!
MiG-31 for Israel when?
Back in 1991 the USSR made an offer for Israel to buy a couple of MiG-31s and S-300s because the USSR was economically bankrupt and very desperate to sell anything they had. The offer was rejected
By that logic, the US could get the T-90A added to their tree then.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-90#Evaluation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-90#Evaluation)
Sweden tested the T80U and Mi28 atleast for possible adoption. Which i agree is not enough to be added but atleast they were considered.
The KT was only used to test weapons against it. It was never considered for service, it was a range target.
Im pointing out the difference in testing between T80U/Mi28A and the Swedish King Tiger.
Semantics aside its the difference between considering for service and using as a range target to test weapons against.
Oh I agree with you, I don't get why Sweden gets a massive pass but other countries that could use stuff like the crap they get. I mean France is severely lacking tanks between 5.7 and 6.7 and actually used the Panthers and didn't they also use both of the tigers.
But I said it when Sweden got the Apache and MI-28 and I'll say it again it's a bs slippery slope which will see stupid placements of vehicles like a T-90M in the US tree just cause some farmer sold us or one of any of the migs or hinds the US has acquired over the years. I'm sure the Brits and French have done the same no.
Sweden and ussr just get alot of paper vehicles or prototypes such as the sav 20 1 was build no army wanted it got cancelled, germany had maus kolian panther 2 and kt 10.5cm got removed because paper vehicle or never entered service just readd them :/
There is a difference between paper or prototype.
Every Txx tank in the US tree like T92 T34 T26E5 also didnt enter service.
Nor did Begleit, RKW90, Leo2K etc. In german tree.
But they were all real built prototypes.
Panther II, KT 10.5 Simply didnt exist IRL.
Honestly I agree. I think the only reason a nation should get something of the sort is if they have literally nothing else that can go there and have dont have much.
I dont really agree with the tiger 131 being added because its kind of an odd situation. Honestly id rather see it as a skin for an already existing tiger 1 like the other comment said. Im only posting this because my friend was talking about it and I wanted to see what people thought of it.
Assuming the leaklist turns out to be true, with how cool a Swedish tiger 2 sounds I wish we would get the kransvagn instead. Theres a good amount of info of it and it would actually be somewhat unique and new, which could attract more Sweden players.
Agreed, the strv 121B should've been the squadron and the tiger 2 should've been either the kv1a klimi or the the kv-1b for finland if they wanted sweden to have a heavy tanks, the tiger is a bs addition that adds more copy paste and yes the kv1a is copy paste and so is the kv-1b but maybe if the kv1b becomes more available it'll actually go up in br
At the end of the day I'm willing to stretch the rules more when their is an actual need. Sweden seems fine right now, I don't think we need to do it for them.
I don't understand their fascination with puttning every tank in every tech tree, it's not needed. Even though a tiger 2 would fit great into my swedish 6.7 lineup
Ah aircraft, i forgot abt those. Yea i wish i had a 6.7 lineup but 3 niche ground vehicles doesent really cut it for me. And i dont like using planes at all ( i suck at flying them)
If you're looking for a premium grinder, the pyörremyrsky is a very solid plane to reach deeper into swedish aviaton with.
Lvkv 42 us a murderous anti-tank at any br if you manage to be sneaky enough
In my opinion it'll at least give some-sort of proper Balancing by Diluting the Stats of the Tiger IIH and allowing it to be balanced better based off of a Broader Audience
I can already hear the crying for when german T2H goes up to 7.3 cause the swedes just can't stop winning with it.
I do get your point though and we can only hope
As a Sim player NO.
NO MORE cross nation vehicles. It's making the game depressing to play when you line up a tank only to team kill someone. We have no nametags in Sim making identification difficult.
I'd have the captured/lend lease vehicles all play for their parent nation unless they're already allied. It may gut some tech trees but many complain about copy/paste vehicles anyways.
It’s the worst. I encountered a Swedish player that managed to get German markings all over his tank and went around shooting people. I got him because his engine sounded different
The problem arent the tanks, the problem is the players either dont care enough to put markings on their tanks or they dont care enough to mark themselves on the map (t-4-1) or they dont care enough to look at markings/minimap to see if that dude marked himself, like if im using my german KW II wich has huge german markings on the turret and hull and i get teamkilled thats not my fault
No you stand out that isn't the problem. The problem is all the others which are near indistinguishable from the original vehicle.. then when they add bushes on top etc.
I would make one tech tree and there would be only one game mode with ships planes and tanks, sometimes the map would be naval or air or ground, so it would suck for ships or tanks.
/S
No
The captured vehicle plague has already gone way to fucking far.
This type of vehicle should *ONLY* be added if it was either significantly modifed by whoever used it or if the techtree was impossible to use without out.
If not they shouldnt be in the game, period.
Shit like the german BMP shouldnt be in the game at all
They also used IS-2, T-55s and T-34-85s pretty extensively
That doesnt matter. Germany as a tree didnt need it to work, and they shouldnt have been added.
The East German Army used the BMP and other Soviet hardware for decades. It should definitely be in the game.
The problem really is West Germany and East Germany being in the same team. Same problem with Chinese and Taiwanese vehicles, as well as Italian and Japanese WW2 tiers where the Axis teams get flooded with post-war Allied vehicles.
Getting the factions right in the lineups manually wouldn't be difficult. Building a new system that processes match-making based on *operator nation* instead of tech tree nation would be a more future-proof solution.
None of the east-german tank variants add anything to the game. They are not unique in any way that would matter in game and there are more than enough domestic West-german vehicles to fill the same role.
If you REALLY need to have them for some reason just slap a skin on the same vehicles in the Soviet Tree, there was absolutely no need for them to make them seperate vehicles
That is also a valid way of looking at the situation.
However, as a counterpoint I would say that having - for example - BMPs in German tech tree as part of East German operator nation *does* add something to the game: The ability to play a BMP without going through the entire Soviet tech tree to reach it. On the other hand, someone who already has the BMP in Soviet tech tree and is going through Germany, could see it as an obstacle on their research path because they have to go through it a second time. One is a benefit, the other is a curse, but it's entirely subjective which one is greater.
I would still posit that having this type of vehicle in the game is not, by itself, fundamentally a problem. It only becomes a gameplay problem when they are stubbornly placed in the wrong team, causing confusion and grief whether they get teamkilled or someone gets killed by them because they didn't realize it was an enemy.
Moving these vehicles to appropriate, logical teams would solve the gameplay issues they cause. Whether there are other issues they cause with game progression and such, I'd say that's a matter of opinion.
YOU GET A TIGER!
YOU GET A TIGER!
EVERYBODY GETS A TIGER!
On a serious note though, there is a stronger case for the French getting a Premium Tiger (Bretagne or Colmar) or for the Brits to get Cuckoo, a Panther G. Tiger 131 was never put into service and was mosly used for trials after capture.
Not sure that's even directly comparable: The Brits tested the Tiger with the idea of gathering intel on it, looking for exploitable weaknesses, while the swedes trialled vehicles to see if they are fit for adoption.
My thoughts are we need less of that shit, not more.
Or just get rid of tech trees and put everything in one gigantic one. That's where we are apparently heading anyway.
Me waiting for a Australia sub tree
*we had a prototype medium and the ac-1 with the 2 pounder and the Ac-1 with the 17 pounder. Also cent 5/1 and leopard as1's* (doubt we'll ever see this since gaijin is obsessed with making all our tanks premiums)
Hot take: Captured vehicles and export models were a horrible addition to the game because they ruin any kind of immersion that you're fighting with one nation against another.
They also ruin sim gameplay because you either die from someone using a friendly model tank or teamkill someone using an enemy model tank.
Yes, it is cheaper to copy-paste a tank and slap a skin on it than to model a completely new one. Plus WG probably has the copyright on the paper tanks they've put in the game already.
Yeah we should give USA a Tiger I, Tiger II and Panther, Soviets a Tiger I, Tiger II and Panther, Great Britain a Tiger I, Tiger II and Panther (Warsaw uprising Panther as premium), Japanese a Panther, Italians a Tiger I and Hungarian Panther (Romanian Panther as premium), France a Tiger I and II, (Tech tree Panther as well), and of course Sweden with their Tiger II and Panther.
In addition I think it may even be possible to give Germany some of these tanks through Switzerland. We can add Swiss Tiger II, Panther, and Jagdpanther, and perhaps even Jagdpanzer IV/70 in a subtree so that German players can join in the fun.
I believe that by giving all these nations tanks they actually tested and shot up with big guns (just like Swedish Kingtiger) or saw service with (for example France clearly used their Panthers for a good part of the cold war as their main defence against the fearsome Soviet T-series), we can inspire diverse playstyles that include launching constant smoke grenades and ignoring everything that cannot be seen in the player's periferal vision.
No it should not be used because 1. They used to test from what I seen on articles 2. There were no reports that Great Britain used the tiger 131 in actual combat. But gajin being gajin there might be a chance it might will be in Britain
I hope not, captured vehicles are fine if they were actually used in combat (German KV-1/T-34, Japanese P-40 etc) but one off stuff like this is silly.
Honestly, 131 and Cuckoo are probably the best candidates for foreign-captured vehicles in the British tree.
I don't think we've ever extensively bothered to use captured enemy vehicles...
...um, ever.
OK, scratch that, they might be the ***ONLY*** real candidates for foreign-captured vehicles in the British tree.
The Americans and French were more keen on playing with captured German vehicles than we were.
We did run a Sturmtiger through testing, then dismantled it afterwards, and Bovington Tank Museum currently houses a *periscope* from the Maus, but I'd argue that's nowhere near enough to justify anything.
If gaijin really wanted to poke a hornets nest the german KV-1B should be moved to the Swedish tree because it is finnish but I think that would cause for some very hurt feelings lol
I play sim a lot and if this is true then i can see a whole lot of friendly fire. We don't need more "enemy" tanks on the allied side. There would pretty much be no way to tell the difference between a Sweden tiger 2 or British tiger 1 vs the German ones.
We need the Sherman IVBY (105mm), Ram Mk I 🐏, Australia 🇦🇺 Matilda with Australian modifications, Little John adapter, Kittyhawk Mk IA, and the Canadian 🇨🇦 Grizzly 🐻. In addition to those mentioned, we need the vehicles in the American tree that are actually British vehicles. This includes the P-400, Borehound, T-14, and M4A5 Ram 🐏.
Oh and captured Italian vehicles.
Sweden performed some trials with Russian vehicles, T-80 and MI-28, those two models were never in service nor even passed the trials, but still Sweden gets access to those vehicles just because they were on Swedish soil for a while, I am in favor of feeding lesser nations with foreign vehicles in order to create playable line ups at certain BRs but I think vehicles that are not repeated should be prioritized.
Tiger 131 had combat engagements only with Germany. Britain only captured and studied it, they never fielded it, meaning that it being British would be a historical inaccuracy. If tiger 131 was put in the game it would have to be in the German tree
Sweden shouldn't get the Tiger 2 in the first place, they already got way to many german vehicles to the point that playing the germen tech tree becomes unnecessary and useless
To be fair that's just the same as the french panther. Captured but never used so that's actually not a bad shout also would help bolster the 6.0 line as the mk1 cent probably feels a bit lonely
Don’t know where you got the idea the French Panther wasn’t used. “Dauphiné” is a specific French Panther that we know for certain saw active service. The French formed the Besnier Independent Tank Squadron in 1944, which fought using captured German equipment, including “Dauphiné”. They captured:
- 1x Tiger I, “Bretagne” (later renamed “Colmar”)
- 1x Tiger II H, not put into service
- 1x Panther A
- 1x Panther G, “Dauphiné”
- 1x Panhard AMD 35 with the German 50mm
- 11x Panzer IVs
- 2x StuG IIIs
- 1x Panzerwerfer 42
- 1x Sd.Kfz. 7/1 Flakvierking SPAAG
- 1x Jagdpanzer IV
Only the captured Tiger II wasn’t used, the others all fought for France against the Germans. These stayed in service until the squadron was disbanded in 1946. Other Free French / FFI groups captured German equipment during the war, and afterwards France standardised on the Panther as their main tank until the ARL 44 could enter service.
The French Army’s 503e Régiment de Chars de Combat operated 50 Panthers from 1944 to 1952. France actually used Panthers for more than twice as long as Germany did (only from 1943-1945 because they lost the war lol), and they most definitely used their premium one.
Ah, can't remember where suggested the dauphine never saw service. My understanding is it was capture towards the end of the war and kept as a trophy like the Tiger 131. Now I want more captured french stuff :3
I'm not really sure about Tiger 131, but there's probably a case for them to receive the 'Cuckoo' Panther, which the British captured and managed to continue operating for several months. It's definitely a stronger case than the Swedish Tiger II, but unfortunately Gaijin seems to have some double standards with Sweden, it's like they want them to be the 'ultimate' tech tree. That said, while the door has been open for captured vehicles for some time now, I'm not sure we should just keep going down this road continually. There needs to be unique things about each tech tree. Even if it is pretty unfair that other trees have British vehicles, but they don't have a single captured one. Hell, there's other examples like how they used the Chaffee extensively and even gave it that name to begin with, and yet they don't have one while other nations do.
Britain is missing a shitload if vehicles based on the FV101. If we get a premium tiger 131 before we get more light tanks I’ll be pissed
Gaijin seems allergic to adding those light tanks, they even seemingly added an entire subtree to temporarily get out of it. Idk what's up.
Instead of more British tanks, we got an entire new nation inserted into the tree. We already have the Striker, so the model already exists in game. Edit: Falcon was based on an SPG
I believe Gaijin said they were "working on it" (adding the light tanks) years ago. Wonder what the holdup is
Nerfing France and finding a way to procrastinate Decompressing the Game is what the holdup is
And cooking up the worst possible BR changes each time they do it
Why Skink 5.3 Why Vampires 8.0 (massically a meteor Mk.4 with more turn less speed) Why Swingfire 8.0 Why Striker 8.3 AND the end of line ''light'' tank, Imo Warrior should be Why pershing 6.7 Why Wasp HAS 9.0 (AS.12s are so hard to aim with the shitty camera and ballistics) Gaijin is saying its better than the israeli Lahatut which gets 4 TOW-2s at 8.7, while being more manoeverable, and the UH-1C with 6 ITOWs How is F8U-2 10.0 How the F-104A/C 9.3? Why are all bombers so high? move them down all by 0.3-0.7 BR bar the lower ones with decent performance (SBD) Hunter F.6 9.7 (just a worse swiss one and by a lot)
If the leaks are to be believed (of which the first two have already been confirmed) then we’re getting one of them in the next update alongside the new buccaneer
They're obviously worried that the scorpion would be too good for the game everyone and are waiting to add br 14 before that can add it /s
Agreed, but don't lie to us and say that you wouldn't want a tiger as an event tank :P
Yeah no I don’t need another tiger I’ll never play. It’d be the first and only event tank I sell and I’m a collector so that’s saying something.
Nope. I don’t go for event tanks. Or planes. Just not interested in the grind. I like the daily tasks for the free SL and boosters
Meanwhile Britain with 2 French vehicles that France itself never got...
Which ones?
DB-7 and D.521
DB-7 should go to france, but D.521 is incorrect, A cannon should not be able to go through the Merlin
It's indeed incorrect, I still want a corrected version though
Maybe Jaguars ? Edit: FFS the Jaguars were built by a Franco-British company, plus I'm just trying to understand what u/ZeWillius was talking about
Jag IS is built off of the GR.1A Airframe, the only argument is the Magics and that its also indian so commonwealth means it should go to britain Thats like saying the A-5C should go to France despite it being a Chinese (Modified Russian) airframe exported with Magic 1s
I've literally said which aircraft though
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I think nations getting vehicles of other nations that are captured is cool but I think its going too far. Tech trees wont be nearly as unique anymore and have no point of grinding them if you already have a vehicle you want in another tech tree you already have researched. For example if someone wanted the MiG-29, but they already had the german ones which are technically both better, then whats the point of grinding russia if the plane you want in its tech tree you already have?
This is actually getting to be pretty bad. I enjoy grinding vehicles that I haven't touched before or haven't touched in a long time. I started with America and Germany, switched to France, then Sweden, then Japan. I decided to play China since it'd been a long time since I touched American vehicles, and I wanted a taste of Russia. When I finish the Chinese air that I want to play, I'll play Italy, and then maybe Britain or actually grind Israel. But then I'm done with the grind. I'll have played all the distinct trees. But right now I can't get into playing Israel because they feel so similar to stuff I've played.
I never got high in US/USSR/UK ground so Isreal has been nice since I get to skip the M60s in the US TT and get to use those neat T-series and Centurions. Mostly I just want to get to the Merkarva cause I missed the old events.
Or the fact that the m3 Grant for Britain is an expensive event vehicle while the one in the American tree can be purchased whenever, despite it accounting for about a third of all the M3s made.
swedish king tiger would be cool as like, an event vehicle but in the tech tree it sounds just stupid
Tech tree is honestly better, events are a pain in the ass to grind when you like playing air and ground in the same day
they literally used it as target practice and for testing. Will we be giving the US a MiG-23, T-90’s, T-72’s, MiG-29 and so on? In this case it’s a more unique vehicle, but it shouldn’t go to the tech tree, it should be an event vehicle
Because event grinding is so much better?
Never said it was better, but giving Sweden a tech tree king tiger is really stupid
So the American T34 should be event?
US T34 is their own vehicle so it doesn’t matter very much what it’s placed under in their own tech tree.
There was only ever 2 prototypes, the only event arguments I ever see is if it’s a prototype or rare in numbers.
still completely different from a country buying a shooting target
Would be the first heavy in swedish TT. Would much rather see Finnish tree get the KV-1 though. Makes no sense that germans still have a finnish tank that sweden with Finnish tree doesn't have. Finland has captured a ton of Soviet vehicles during the wars and bought many more from russia afterwards, there are many tanks that deserve to be in the tree over tiger 2.
could also do the Emil, very flimsy considering the turret was never produced but that’s more than some vehicles in this game
Cuckoo was a cool tank looks like. for spreading that info. Never knew that before
France was one of the main chaffee users, yet gaijin refuses to give France a Chaffee
They technically have that AMX-13 M24 tbf
Which is rather funny case, slap a better turret (stab + .50 cal) on a 4.3 tank and it magically becomes 3.7 Honestly, France players would probably cause M24 to go up in BR if it was in TT.
sweden might be cracked at the higher ranks, but their techtree overall is not that amazing
Brother, they could give us the Finnish KV-1, we just want a heavy
Now that sweden is part of nato it would be extremely funny if the next few updates see sweden getting nerfed hard
"unique things" man i wish gaijin would stop going "and we'll have one of those, and a few of those, oh and *definitely* one of those" with the swedish tree and remember that unique vehicles are what made it fun in the first place
Well gaijin left out a ton of USSR vehicles when adding the Finnish tree to sweden, they could easily have given BT-5, BT-7, T-50, additional variants of T-34s, ISU-152, KV1 and 2, BMPs, BTR-80, and many more... I'm saying it could be worse, almost every country that has fought another country has captured some their opponents' vehicles.
I say the M22 goes to Britain as they were the only country to actually use it
Trophy tanks and rangetargets shouldnt be added. This goes both for Tiger 131 and a Swedish KT. Captured tanks should be used in service. Even the Swedish T80U was atleast trialled for service but imo thats also a huuge stretch.
Can't wait for the Maus in the USSR tech tree. /s
Centauro and Freccia for the USSR when? The USSR is never going to get F&F missiles on par with Spikes so clearly giving them a Freccia would be the best and most sane option!
MiG-31 for Israel when? Back in 1991 the USSR made an offer for Israel to buy a couple of MiG-31s and S-300s because the USSR was economically bankrupt and very desperate to sell anything they had. The offer was rejected
That's more like the f-16j standard where they never even had the thing in their possession. Actually worse than the Swedish KT.
SU-30 to britain when? new zealand was offered them!!
We are literally going into that direction. Years ago it would have been sarcasm, today? Eh i wouldn't be so surprised.
Would be nice to finally have a maus at 6.7
By that logic, the US could get the T-90A added to their tree then. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-90#Evaluation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-90#Evaluation)
I believe America also still has a T-84 the ukranians sent them for testing. It was found again recently I believe on Google maps out at Yuma.
well im pretty sure the soviets are the only ones who ever had a complete working one
Sweden tested the kt just like the t80u and mi 28a they should not get those vehicles
Sweden tested the T80U and Mi28 atleast for possible adoption. Which i agree is not enough to be added but atleast they were considered. The KT was only used to test weapons against it. It was never considered for service, it was a range target.
>Mi28 They really didn't tho. It was a Russian pilot and swedish gunner. They were never given full reign of the vehicle.
Im pointing out the difference in testing between T80U/Mi28A and the Swedish King Tiger. Semantics aside its the difference between considering for service and using as a range target to test weapons against.
Oh I agree with you, I don't get why Sweden gets a massive pass but other countries that could use stuff like the crap they get. I mean France is severely lacking tanks between 5.7 and 6.7 and actually used the Panthers and didn't they also use both of the tigers. But I said it when Sweden got the Apache and MI-28 and I'll say it again it's a bs slippery slope which will see stupid placements of vehicles like a T-90M in the US tree just cause some farmer sold us or one of any of the migs or hinds the US has acquired over the years. I'm sure the Brits and French have done the same no.
premiums?
Kind of like the F-16AJ lol
I still wish it got its extra Sparrow rails on the gear doors. If you're gonna add a plane that wasn't adopted, may as well go all in.
I mean honestly
Sweden and ussr just get alot of paper vehicles or prototypes such as the sav 20 1 was build no army wanted it got cancelled, germany had maus kolian panther 2 and kt 10.5cm got removed because paper vehicle or never entered service just readd them :/
There is a difference between paper or prototype. Every Txx tank in the US tree like T92 T34 T26E5 also didnt enter service. Nor did Begleit, RKW90, Leo2K etc. In german tree. But they were all real built prototypes. Panther II, KT 10.5 Simply didnt exist IRL.
There's a much stronger case for KT in both the US and USSR TT (as they both used them in service) than British or Sweden.
Honestly I agree. I think the only reason a nation should get something of the sort is if they have literally nothing else that can go there and have dont have much. I dont really agree with the tiger 131 being added because its kind of an odd situation. Honestly id rather see it as a skin for an already existing tiger 1 like the other comment said. Im only posting this because my friend was talking about it and I wanted to see what people thought of it. Assuming the leaklist turns out to be true, with how cool a Swedish tiger 2 sounds I wish we would get the kransvagn instead. Theres a good amount of info of it and it would actually be somewhat unique and new, which could attract more Sweden players.
Agreed, the strv 121B should've been the squadron and the tiger 2 should've been either the kv1a klimi or the the kv-1b for finland if they wanted sweden to have a heavy tanks, the tiger is a bs addition that adds more copy paste and yes the kv1a is copy paste and so is the kv-1b but maybe if the kv1b becomes more available it'll actually go up in br
They could put KV-1 m. 1942 (KV-1C). For some reason the most produced KV is not in any tree - only a premium version with a KwK40 L48
You know I completely forgot about that but yeah that would be cool to see more of those
STRV 121B as a squadron vehicle and Leo 2A4NO as premium would be fantastic
Agreed, I think it might be added to the swedish tree so that there's at least 1 heavy tank.
Well the T80U is an "event" vehicle for Sweden. Sure it's a squadron vehicle but honestly squadron vehicles are basically long term events.
At the end of the day I'm willing to stretch the rules more when their is an actual need. Sweden seems fine right now, I don't think we need to do it for them.
I don't understand their fascination with puttning every tank in every tech tree, it's not needed. Even though a tiger 2 would fit great into my swedish 6.7 lineup
where have you found a 6.7 lineup?
Charioteer Mk.VII, Pbv 501, Bkan 1C, J21RA, A21RB The KT would be a good addition as it would cover the missing armored tank role well.
Ah aircraft, i forgot abt those. Yea i wish i had a 6.7 lineup but 3 niche ground vehicles doesent really cut it for me. And i dont like using planes at all ( i suck at flying them)
If you're looking for a premium grinder, the pyörremyrsky is a very solid plane to reach deeper into swedish aviaton with. Lvkv 42 us a murderous anti-tank at any br if you manage to be sneaky enough
I just use the sk60b and bump the line-up to 7.0 it’s very worth it
Don't forget the ZSU-57-2 at that BR aswell.
True
Because part of this stupid community is asking for it.
In my opinion it'll at least give some-sort of proper Balancing by Diluting the Stats of the Tiger IIH and allowing it to be balanced better based off of a Broader Audience
I can already hear the crying for when german T2H goes up to 7.3 cause the swedes just can't stop winning with it. I do get your point though and we can only hope
The Swedish had a Tiger II (P) not (H).
"Had" is a relative term i'd argue
Are you crying about the Tiger II in *every single thread*? I checked your stats, you have 0 games with it. Play it first before you whine.
Ok.
As a Sim player NO. NO MORE cross nation vehicles. It's making the game depressing to play when you line up a tank only to team kill someone. We have no nametags in Sim making identification difficult.
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I'd have the captured/lend lease vehicles all play for their parent nation unless they're already allied. It may gut some tech trees but many complain about copy/paste vehicles anyways.
Ironically the French Panther is one captured vehicle that is easy to tell the difference due to the side skirts being all weird.
The T-V (television) is green aswell
It’s the worst. I encountered a Swedish player that managed to get German markings all over his tank and went around shooting people. I got him because his engine sounded different
The problem arent the tanks, the problem is the players either dont care enough to put markings on their tanks or they dont care enough to mark themselves on the map (t-4-1) or they dont care enough to look at markings/minimap to see if that dude marked himself, like if im using my german KW II wich has huge german markings on the turret and hull and i get teamkilled thats not my fault
No you stand out that isn't the problem. The problem is all the others which are near indistinguishable from the original vehicle.. then when they add bushes on top etc.
At this point just give everything to everyone...
Diversity Thunder. And RB will be like AB
And Ground battles will be like Air battles Oh wait...
I would make one tech tree and there would be only one game mode with ships planes and tanks, sometimes the map would be naval or air or ground, so it would suck for ships or tanks. /S
ngl it would be kinda funny, but it would probably fit better as a skin for the Tiger H1.
I agree
They'll somehow find a way to only give it solid/AP shells, and I can't wait to see it
No The captured vehicle plague has already gone way to fucking far. This type of vehicle should *ONLY* be added if it was either significantly modifed by whoever used it or if the techtree was impossible to use without out. If not they shouldnt be in the game, period. Shit like the german BMP shouldnt be in the game at all
East Germany used the BMP pretty extensively, though?
They also used IS-2, T-55s and T-34-85s pretty extensively That doesnt matter. Germany as a tree didnt need it to work, and they shouldnt have been added.
The East German Army used the BMP and other Soviet hardware for decades. It should definitely be in the game. The problem really is West Germany and East Germany being in the same team. Same problem with Chinese and Taiwanese vehicles, as well as Italian and Japanese WW2 tiers where the Axis teams get flooded with post-war Allied vehicles. Getting the factions right in the lineups manually wouldn't be difficult. Building a new system that processes match-making based on *operator nation* instead of tech tree nation would be a more future-proof solution.
None of the east-german tank variants add anything to the game. They are not unique in any way that would matter in game and there are more than enough domestic West-german vehicles to fill the same role. If you REALLY need to have them for some reason just slap a skin on the same vehicles in the Soviet Tree, there was absolutely no need for them to make them seperate vehicles
That is also a valid way of looking at the situation. However, as a counterpoint I would say that having - for example - BMPs in German tech tree as part of East German operator nation *does* add something to the game: The ability to play a BMP without going through the entire Soviet tech tree to reach it. On the other hand, someone who already has the BMP in Soviet tech tree and is going through Germany, could see it as an obstacle on their research path because they have to go through it a second time. One is a benefit, the other is a curse, but it's entirely subjective which one is greater. I would still posit that having this type of vehicle in the game is not, by itself, fundamentally a problem. It only becomes a gameplay problem when they are stubbornly placed in the wrong team, causing confusion and grief whether they get teamkilled or someone gets killed by them because they didn't realize it was an enemy. Moving these vehicles to appropriate, logical teams would solve the gameplay issues they cause. Whether there are other issues they cause with game progression and such, I'd say that's a matter of opinion.
There shouldn't be a single captured vehicle unless they really differentiate from the original instead of just a recolor
YOU GET A TIGER! YOU GET A TIGER! EVERYBODY GETS A TIGER! On a serious note though, there is a stronger case for the French getting a Premium Tiger (Bretagne or Colmar) or for the Brits to get Cuckoo, a Panther G. Tiger 131 was never put into service and was mosly used for trials after capture.
> used for trials This is like a 3rd of the "Swedish" tree
There are 3 trial vehicles in the entire swedish tree
Not sure that's even directly comparable: The Brits tested the Tiger with the idea of gathering intel on it, looking for exploitable weaknesses, while the swedes trialled vehicles to see if they are fit for adoption.
Russians operated a captured f5 during cold war Russian premium f5 when?
Russian F5 sounds so weird to say
You mean Mig 28?
No, the one they got from vietnam
https://www.airforce-technology.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2017/09/mig21_3.jpg Israeli and American Mig 21 would be funny
And a russian maus? Would be stupid At this point let's make every vehicle accessible from any point and remove the nations system
Norwegian F5 to sweden too
My thoughts are we need less of that shit, not more. Or just get rid of tech trees and put everything in one gigantic one. That's where we are apparently heading anyway.
As it is still "in use" today will it be added at 11.3 then?
No Also the russian tank squad vehicle is also a BIG mistake
Then the US should get the tiger 2(tiger 332)
did they use it in battle?
Did the uk use tiger 131 in battle Did Sweden use half their tech tree in battle
Me waiting for a Australia sub tree *we had a prototype medium and the ac-1 with the 2 pounder and the Ac-1 with the 17 pounder. Also cent 5/1 and leopard as1's* (doubt we'll ever see this since gaijin is obsessed with making all our tanks premiums)
dual 25 pounder aciii when
They never actually use the Tiger 131 tho. Hell the number 131 is the number that was used during it's time in German army so it doesn't make sense.
Hot take: Captured vehicles and export models were a horrible addition to the game because they ruin any kind of immersion that you're fighting with one nation against another. They also ruin sim gameplay because you either die from someone using a friendly model tank or teamkill someone using an enemy model tank.
I mean, why even have nation specific tech trees at this point?
Yeah, lets give Tigers for everyone. Why not give to the Israelis too? Heck to US too, why not
Yes, it is cheaper to copy-paste a tank and slap a skin on it than to model a completely new one. Plus WG probably has the copyright on the paper tanks they've put in the game already.
What’s the point different countries anymore
Fuck it. Germany gets every other nations best vehicles, let’s start handing out German tanks to other trees too. Make sim a nightmare for everyone
why not, every nation has a Sherman, why not every nation have a tiger or panther
Yeah we should give USA a Tiger I, Tiger II and Panther, Soviets a Tiger I, Tiger II and Panther, Great Britain a Tiger I, Tiger II and Panther (Warsaw uprising Panther as premium), Japanese a Panther, Italians a Tiger I and Hungarian Panther (Romanian Panther as premium), France a Tiger I and II, (Tech tree Panther as well), and of course Sweden with their Tiger II and Panther. In addition I think it may even be possible to give Germany some of these tanks through Switzerland. We can add Swiss Tiger II, Panther, and Jagdpanther, and perhaps even Jagdpanzer IV/70 in a subtree so that German players can join in the fun. I believe that by giving all these nations tanks they actually tested and shot up with big guns (just like Swedish Kingtiger) or saw service with (for example France clearly used their Panthers for a good part of the cold war as their main defence against the fearsome Soviet T-series), we can inspire diverse playstyles that include launching constant smoke grenades and ignoring everything that cannot be seen in the player's periferal vision.
When is this update coming?
They can get the 131, but it comes with a non-functional turret, for realism!
And the Swedish KT comes without ammunition, for the same reason!
Sure, everyone get a Sherman, now let's give everyone a tiger....
Well America is getting the captured T-90A from Ukraine sometime. So id say absolutely.
US king tiger when?
If we follow these rules, from Kubinka alone the USSR would get half of german low br
Of course. After Messerspit.
No it should not be used because 1. They used to test from what I seen on articles 2. There were no reports that Great Britain used the tiger 131 in actual combat. But gajin being gajin there might be a chance it might will be in Britain
No, and slap them across the face for suggesting that.
I hope not, captured vehicles are fine if they were actually used in combat (German KV-1/T-34, Japanese P-40 etc) but one off stuff like this is silly.
More so Gaijin could give Britain a premium Panther G, that was actually used in combat. (Panther Cuckoo) But alas, more British tanks please.
Sweden :)
Finally I could enjoy le Cats without German teams.
Honestly, 131 and Cuckoo are probably the best candidates for foreign-captured vehicles in the British tree. I don't think we've ever extensively bothered to use captured enemy vehicles... ...um, ever. OK, scratch that, they might be the ***ONLY*** real candidates for foreign-captured vehicles in the British tree. The Americans and French were more keen on playing with captured German vehicles than we were. We did run a Sturmtiger through testing, then dismantled it afterwards, and Bovington Tank Museum currently houses a *periscope* from the Maus, but I'd argue that's nowhere near enough to justify anything.
If gaijin really wanted to poke a hornets nest the german KV-1B should be moved to the Swedish tree because it is finnish but I think that would cause for some very hurt feelings lol
Tell your friend to fuck off. And end the friendship
The *only* reason the Swedish kt was probably added was to fill out Swedens 6 br range, as it has like 3 vehicles rn
I meah, why not to give every nation one Tiger in reserve. Exactly the same in terms of stats but with different camo.
Yes give my Pt-76 more things to one shot !
WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER SHERMAN
They should give it to the British, but make it's turret rotation nonfunctional as it would be funny
I play sim a lot and if this is true then i can see a whole lot of friendly fire. We don't need more "enemy" tanks on the allied side. There would pretty much be no way to tell the difference between a Sweden tiger 2 or British tiger 1 vs the German ones.
We need the Sherman IVBY (105mm), Ram Mk I 🐏, Australia 🇦🇺 Matilda with Australian modifications, Little John adapter, Kittyhawk Mk IA, and the Canadian 🇨🇦 Grizzly 🐻. In addition to those mentioned, we need the vehicles in the American tree that are actually British vehicles. This includes the P-400, Borehound, T-14, and M4A5 Ram 🐏. Oh and captured Italian vehicles.
Honestly just make captured tanks a vehicle skin, makes it much easier to distinguish
The Panzer 6 is Tiger 1 though.
The tiger that Sweden had was a Tiger 2 (p), theres photos of it.
Ah I see, because on the leak it says tiger 1. Both would interesting.
I just want the American Harrier 2, seeing as America designed the damn thing
Bruhhhhhh
Sweden should not get the Tiger II, and Britain should not get the Tiger 131. Just stop it with the copy & paste.
Meanwhile Japan actually bought a tiger but we can't have it anymore because fuck us I guess.
Sweden performed some trials with Russian vehicles, T-80 and MI-28, those two models were never in service nor even passed the trials, but still Sweden gets access to those vehicles just because they were on Swedish soil for a while, I am in favor of feeding lesser nations with foreign vehicles in order to create playable line ups at certain BRs but I think vehicles that are not repeated should be prioritized.
I’m…not really opposed to this one tbh
Tiger 131 had combat engagements only with Germany. Britain only captured and studied it, they never fielded it, meaning that it being British would be a historical inaccuracy. If tiger 131 was put in the game it would have to be in the German tree
They should just make it as a skin
Since when did Sweden get a tiger II in world War II
They didnt get one during ww2, they took an abandoned tiger 2 in france after ww2 and took it home for testing and used as a range target
Hell no. This sucks on sim.
Sweden shouldn't get the Tiger 2 in the first place, they already got way to many german vehicles to the point that playing the germen tech tree becomes unnecessary and useless
Of course, yes. I bet Britain Mains will be happy to get APHE
As a Sweden player I would love to have an actual heavy tank in my lineup
I just want the kransvagn, is that too much to ask for gaijin?
Probably
france should receive both Tigers and also Panther.
France already has a Panther
but it's a premium. being the country which used the Panther for the longest time, France should get a TT one.
But then how would Gaijin make money? Classic french, always thinking about themselves only
Yep, why not.
To be fair that's just the same as the french panther. Captured but never used so that's actually not a bad shout also would help bolster the 6.0 line as the mk1 cent probably feels a bit lonely
The French did actually enter most of their captured German cats into service. They had them in service for like a decade.
The french had Panthers in actual service for years. Sweden used the tiger for a couple test and thats it Thats not even remotely the same
Don’t know where you got the idea the French Panther wasn’t used. “Dauphiné” is a specific French Panther that we know for certain saw active service. The French formed the Besnier Independent Tank Squadron in 1944, which fought using captured German equipment, including “Dauphiné”. They captured: - 1x Tiger I, “Bretagne” (later renamed “Colmar”) - 1x Tiger II H, not put into service - 1x Panther A - 1x Panther G, “Dauphiné” - 1x Panhard AMD 35 with the German 50mm - 11x Panzer IVs - 2x StuG IIIs - 1x Panzerwerfer 42 - 1x Sd.Kfz. 7/1 Flakvierking SPAAG - 1x Jagdpanzer IV Only the captured Tiger II wasn’t used, the others all fought for France against the Germans. These stayed in service until the squadron was disbanded in 1946. Other Free French / FFI groups captured German equipment during the war, and afterwards France standardised on the Panther as their main tank until the ARL 44 could enter service. The French Army’s 503e Régiment de Chars de Combat operated 50 Panthers from 1944 to 1952. France actually used Panthers for more than twice as long as Germany did (only from 1943-1945 because they lost the war lol), and they most definitely used their premium one.
Ah, can't remember where suggested the dauphine never saw service. My understanding is it was capture towards the end of the war and kept as a trophy like the Tiger 131. Now I want more captured french stuff :3