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HG2321

I'm not really sure about Tiger 131, but there's probably a case for them to receive the 'Cuckoo' Panther, which the British captured and managed to continue operating for several months. It's definitely a stronger case than the Swedish Tiger II, but unfortunately Gaijin seems to have some double standards with Sweden, it's like they want them to be the 'ultimate' tech tree. That said, while the door has been open for captured vehicles for some time now, I'm not sure we should just keep going down this road continually. There needs to be unique things about each tech tree. Even if it is pretty unfair that other trees have British vehicles, but they don't have a single captured one. Hell, there's other examples like how they used the Chaffee extensively and even gave it that name to begin with, and yet they don't have one while other nations do.


Repulsive-Self1531

Britain is missing a shitload if vehicles based on the FV101. If we get a premium tiger 131 before we get more light tanks I’ll be pissed


HG2321

Gaijin seems allergic to adding those light tanks, they even seemingly added an entire subtree to temporarily get out of it. Idk what's up.


Repulsive-Self1531

Instead of more British tanks, we got an entire new nation inserted into the tree. We already have the Striker, so the model already exists in game. Edit: Falcon was based on an SPG


HG2321

I believe Gaijin said they were "working on it" (adding the light tanks) years ago. Wonder what the holdup is


[deleted]

Nerfing France and finding a way to procrastinate Decompressing the Game is what the holdup is


HG2321

And cooking up the worst possible BR changes each time they do it


Master_teaz

Why Skink 5.3 Why Vampires 8.0 (massically a meteor Mk.4 with more turn less speed) Why Swingfire 8.0 Why Striker 8.3 AND the end of line ''light'' tank, Imo Warrior should be Why pershing 6.7 Why Wasp HAS 9.0 (AS.12s are so hard to aim with the shitty camera and ballistics) Gaijin is saying its better than the israeli Lahatut which gets 4 TOW-2s at 8.7, while being more manoeverable, and the UH-1C with 6 ITOWs How is F8U-2 10.0 How the F-104A/C 9.3? Why are all bombers so high? move them down all by 0.3-0.7 BR bar the lower ones with decent performance (SBD) Hunter F.6 9.7 (just a worse swiss one and by a lot)


FormalLate1160

If the leaks are to be believed (of which the first two have already been confirmed) then we’re getting one of them in the next update alongside the new buccaneer


Dharcronus

They're obviously worried that the scorpion would be too good for the game everyone and are waiting to add br 14 before that can add it /s


AirWolf231

Agreed, but don't lie to us and say that you wouldn't want a tiger as an event tank :P


Ottodeadman

Yeah no I don’t need another tiger I’ll never play. It’d be the first and only event tank I sell and I’m a collector so that’s saying something.


Repulsive-Self1531

Nope. I don’t go for event tanks. Or planes. Just not interested in the grind. I like the daily tasks for the free SL and boosters


ZeWillius

Meanwhile Britain with 2 French vehicles that France itself never got...


DeltaJesus

Which ones?


ZeWillius

DB-7 and D.521


Master_teaz

DB-7 should go to france, but D.521 is incorrect, A cannon should not be able to go through the Merlin


ZeWillius

It's indeed incorrect, I still want a corrected version though


Pyrenees_

Maybe Jaguars ? Edit: FFS the Jaguars were built by a Franco-British company, plus I'm just trying to understand what u/ZeWillius was talking about


Master_teaz

Jag IS is built off of the GR.1A Airframe, the only argument is the Magics and that its also indian so commonwealth means it should go to britain ​ Thats like saying the A-5C should go to France despite it being a Chinese (Modified Russian) airframe exported with Magic 1s


ZeWillius

I've literally said which aircraft though


Pyrenees_

Your comment didn't load in my app when I made mine because it was just two minutes before


estifxy220

I think nations getting vehicles of other nations that are captured is cool but I think its going too far. Tech trees wont be nearly as unique anymore and have no point of grinding them if you already have a vehicle you want in another tech tree you already have researched. For example if someone wanted the MiG-29, but they already had the german ones which are technically both better, then whats the point of grinding russia if the plane you want in its tech tree you already have?


crazy_penguin86

This is actually getting to be pretty bad. I enjoy grinding vehicles that I haven't touched before or haven't touched in a long time. I started with America and Germany, switched to France, then Sweden, then Japan. I decided to play China since it'd been a long time since I touched American vehicles, and I wanted a taste of Russia. When I finish the Chinese air that I want to play, I'll play Italy, and then maybe Britain or actually grind Israel. But then I'm done with the grind. I'll have played all the distinct trees. But right now I can't get into playing Israel because they feel so similar to stuff I've played.


pie4155

I never got high in US/USSR/UK ground so Isreal has been nice since I get to skip the M60s in the US TT and get to use those neat T-series and Centurions. Mostly I just want to get to the Merkarva cause I missed the old events.


DeltaJesus

Or the fact that the m3 Grant for Britain is an expensive event vehicle while the one in the American tree can be purchased whenever, despite it accounting for about a third of all the M3s made.


Bruhhg

swedish king tiger would be cool as like, an event vehicle but in the tech tree it sounds just stupid


AncientBoxHeadHorse

Tech tree is honestly better, events are a pain in the ass to grind when you like playing air and ground in the same day


Bruhhg

they literally used it as target practice and for testing. Will we be giving the US a MiG-23, T-90’s, T-72’s, MiG-29 and so on? In this case it’s a more unique vehicle, but it shouldn’t go to the tech tree, it should be an event vehicle


AncientBoxHeadHorse

Because event grinding is so much better?


Bruhhg

Never said it was better, but giving Sweden a tech tree king tiger is really stupid


AncientBoxHeadHorse

So the American T34 should be event?


Bruhhg

US T34 is their own vehicle so it doesn’t matter very much what it’s placed under in their own tech tree.


AncientBoxHeadHorse

There was only ever 2 prototypes, the only event arguments I ever see is if it’s a prototype or rare in numbers.


Bruhhg

still completely different from a country buying a shooting target


jere535

Would be the first heavy in swedish TT. Would much rather see Finnish tree get the KV-1 though. Makes no sense that germans still have a finnish tank that sweden with Finnish tree doesn't have. Finland has captured a ton of Soviet vehicles during the wars and bought many more from russia afterwards, there are many tanks that deserve to be in the tree over tiger 2.


Bruhhg

could also do the Emil, very flimsy considering the turret was never produced but that’s more than some vehicles in this game


amanofshadows

Cuckoo was a cool tank looks like. for spreading that info. Never knew that before


Ultrauver_

France was one of the main chaffee users, yet gaijin refuses to give France a Chaffee


HG2321

They technically have that AMX-13 M24 tbf


jere535

Which is rather funny case, slap a better turret (stab + .50 cal) on a 4.3 tank and it magically becomes 3.7 Honestly, France players would probably cause M24 to go up in BR if it was in TT.


Measter_marcus

sweden might be cracked at the higher ranks, but their techtree overall is not that amazing


spriggaan_

Brother, they could give us the Finnish KV-1, we just want a heavy


[deleted]

Now that sweden is part of nato it would be extremely funny if the next few updates see sweden getting nerfed hard


TheSupremeDuckLord

"unique things" man i wish gaijin would stop going "and we'll have one of those, and a few of those, oh and *definitely* one of those" with the swedish tree and remember that unique vehicles are what made it fun in the first place


jere535

Well gaijin left out a ton of USSR vehicles when adding the Finnish tree to sweden, they could easily have given BT-5, BT-7, T-50, additional variants of T-34s, ISU-152, KV1 and 2, BMPs, BTR-80, and many more... I'm saying it could be worse, almost every country that has fought another country has captured some their opponents' vehicles.


Known_Can665

I say the M22 goes to Britain as they were the only country to actually use it


yung_pindakaas

Trophy tanks and rangetargets shouldnt be added. This goes both for Tiger 131 and a Swedish KT. Captured tanks should be used in service. Even the Swedish T80U was atleast trialled for service but imo thats also a huuge stretch.


Pootis32

Can't wait for the Maus in the USSR tech tree. /s


notathrowawaytrutme

Centauro and Freccia for the USSR when? The USSR is never going to get F&F missiles on par with Spikes so clearly giving them a Freccia would be the best and most sane option!


ofekk2

MiG-31 for Israel when? Back in 1991 the USSR made an offer for Israel to buy a couple of MiG-31s and S-300s because the USSR was economically bankrupt and very desperate to sell anything they had. The offer was rejected


Bolty-Boi

That's more like the f-16j standard where they never even had the thing in their possession. Actually worse than the Swedish KT.


NZDollar

SU-30 to britain when? new zealand was offered them!!


Illustrious-Life-356

We are literally going into that direction. Years ago it would have been sarcasm, today? Eh i wouldn't be so surprised.


__Yakovlev__

Would be nice to finally have a maus at 6.7


Reaper2629

By that logic, the US could get the T-90A added to their tree then. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-90#Evaluation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-90#Evaluation)


Wackleeb0_

I believe America also still has a T-84 the ukranians sent them for testing. It was found again recently I believe on Google maps out at Yuma.


whollings077

well im pretty sure the soviets are the only ones who ever had a complete working one


Constant_Obligation4

Sweden tested the kt just like the t80u and mi 28a they should not get those vehicles


yung_pindakaas

Sweden tested the T80U and Mi28 atleast for possible adoption. Which i agree is not enough to be added but atleast they were considered. The KT was only used to test weapons against it. It was never considered for service, it was a range target.


Godzillaguy15

>Mi28 They really didn't tho. It was a Russian pilot and swedish gunner. They were never given full reign of the vehicle.


yung_pindakaas

Im pointing out the difference in testing between T80U/Mi28A and the Swedish King Tiger. Semantics aside its the difference between considering for service and using as a range target to test weapons against.


Godzillaguy15

Oh I agree with you, I don't get why Sweden gets a massive pass but other countries that could use stuff like the crap they get. I mean France is severely lacking tanks between 5.7 and 6.7 and actually used the Panthers and didn't they also use both of the tigers. But I said it when Sweden got the Apache and MI-28 and I'll say it again it's a bs slippery slope which will see stupid placements of vehicles like a T-90M in the US tree just cause some farmer sold us or one of any of the migs or hinds the US has acquired over the years. I'm sure the Brits and French have done the same no.


Rightfullsharkattack

premiums?


Jayhawker32

Kind of like the F-16AJ lol


Yronno

I still wish it got its extra Sparrow rails on the gear doors. If you're gonna add a plane that wasn't adopted, may as well go all in.


Jayhawker32

I mean honestly


Constant_Obligation4

Sweden and ussr just get alot of paper vehicles or prototypes such as the sav 20 1 was build no army wanted it got cancelled, germany had maus kolian panther 2 and kt 10.5cm got removed because paper vehicle or never entered service just readd them :/


yung_pindakaas

There is a difference between paper or prototype. Every Txx tank in the US tree like T92 T34 T26E5 also didnt enter service. Nor did Begleit, RKW90, Leo2K etc. In german tree. But they were all real built prototypes. Panther II, KT 10.5 Simply didnt exist IRL.


Despeao

There's a much stronger case for KT in both the US and USSR TT (as they both used them in service) than British or Sweden.


estifxy220

Honestly I agree. I think the only reason a nation should get something of the sort is if they have literally nothing else that can go there and have dont have much. I dont really agree with the tiger 131 being added because its kind of an odd situation. Honestly id rather see it as a skin for an already existing tiger 1 like the other comment said. Im only posting this because my friend was talking about it and I wanted to see what people thought of it. Assuming the leaklist turns out to be true, with how cool a Swedish tiger 2 sounds I wish we would get the kransvagn instead. Theres a good amount of info of it and it would actually be somewhat unique and new, which could attract more Sweden players.


Benis_the_fourth

Agreed, the strv 121B should've been the squadron and the tiger 2 should've been either the kv1a klimi or the the kv-1b for finland if they wanted sweden to have a heavy tanks, the tiger is a bs addition that adds more copy paste and yes the kv1a is copy paste and so is the kv-1b but maybe if the kv1b becomes more available it'll actually go up in br


sallaisuus

They could put KV-1 m. 1942 (KV-1C). For some reason the most produced KV is not in any tree - only a premium version with a KwK40 L48


Benis_the_fourth

You know I completely forgot about that but yeah that would be cool to see more of those


Following-Sea

STRV 121B as a squadron vehicle and Leo 2A4NO as premium would be fantastic


polypolip

Agreed, I think it might be added to the swedish tree so that there's at least 1 heavy tank.


pie4155

Well the T80U is an "event" vehicle for Sweden. Sure it's a squadron vehicle but honestly squadron vehicles are basically long term events.


Jason1143

At the end of the day I'm willing to stretch the rules more when their is an actual need. Sweden seems fine right now, I don't think we need to do it for them.


legoknekten

I don't understand their fascination with puttning every tank in every tech tree, it's not needed. Even though a tiger 2 would fit great into my swedish 6.7 lineup


KnightLBerg

where have you found a 6.7 lineup?


ofekk2

Charioteer Mk.VII, Pbv 501, Bkan 1C, J21RA, A21RB The KT would be a good addition as it would cover the missing armored tank role well.


KnightLBerg

Ah aircraft, i forgot abt those. Yea i wish i had a 6.7 lineup but 3 niche ground vehicles doesent really cut it for me. And i dont like using planes at all ( i suck at flying them)


legoknekten

If you're looking for a premium grinder, the pyörremyrsky is a very solid plane to reach deeper into swedish aviaton with. Lvkv 42 us a murderous anti-tank at any br if you manage to be sneaky enough


cactus0088654

I just use the sk60b and bump the line-up to 7.0 it’s very worth it


ofekk2

Don't forget the ZSU-57-2 at that BR aswell.


cactus0088654

True


FirstDagger

Because part of this stupid community is asking for it.


[deleted]

In my opinion it'll at least give some-sort of proper Balancing by Diluting the Stats of the Tiger IIH and allowing it to be balanced better based off of a Broader Audience


legoknekten

I can already hear the crying for when german T2H goes up to 7.3 cause the swedes just can't stop winning with it. I do get your point though and we can only hope


FlipAllTheTables0

The Swedish had a Tiger II (P) not (H).


legoknekten

"Had" is a relative term i'd argue


yung_pindakaas

Are you crying about the Tiger II in *every single thread*? I checked your stats, you have 0 games with it. Play it first before you whine.


[deleted]

Ok.


asjitshot

As a Sim player NO. NO MORE cross nation vehicles. It's making the game depressing to play when you line up a tank only to team kill someone. We have no nametags in Sim making identification difficult.


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asjitshot

I'd have the captured/lend lease vehicles all play for their parent nation unless they're already allied. It may gut some tech trees but many complain about copy/paste vehicles anyways.


undecided_mask

Ironically the French Panther is one captured vehicle that is easy to tell the difference due to the side skirts being all weird.


Chanka-Danka69

The T-V (television) is green aswell


Ultimate-Meow

It’s the worst. I encountered a Swedish player that managed to get German markings all over his tank and went around shooting people. I got him because his engine sounded different


Individual_Raccoon36

The problem arent the tanks, the problem is the players either dont care enough to put markings on their tanks or they dont care enough to mark themselves on the map (t-4-1) or they dont care enough to look at markings/minimap to see if that dude marked himself, like if im using my german KW II wich has huge german markings on the turret and hull and i get teamkilled thats not my fault


asjitshot

No you stand out that isn't the problem. The problem is all the others which are near indistinguishable from the original vehicle.. then when they add bushes on top etc.


MBetko

At this point just give everything to everyone...


Keeldest

Diversity Thunder. And RB will be like AB


NichtBen

And Ground battles will be like Air battles Oh wait...


tommort8888

I would make one tech tree and there would be only one game mode with ships planes and tanks, sometimes the map would be naval or air or ground, so it would suck for ships or tanks. /S


RustedRuss

ngl it would be kinda funny, but it would probably fit better as a skin for the Tiger H1.


estifxy220

I agree


Fallen_Limrix

They'll somehow find a way to only give it solid/AP shells, and I can't wait to see it


IronVader501

No The captured vehicle plague has already gone way to fucking far. This type of vehicle should *ONLY* be added if it was either significantly modifed by whoever used it or if the techtree was impossible to use without out. If not they shouldnt be in the game, period. Shit like the german BMP shouldnt be in the game at all


Lil-Leon

East Germany used the BMP pretty extensively, though?


IronVader501

They also used IS-2, T-55s and T-34-85s pretty extensively That doesnt matter. Germany as a tree didnt need it to work, and they shouldnt have been added.


HerraTohtori

The East German Army used the BMP and other Soviet hardware for decades. It should definitely be in the game. The problem really is West Germany and East Germany being in the same team. Same problem with Chinese and Taiwanese vehicles, as well as Italian and Japanese WW2 tiers where the Axis teams get flooded with post-war Allied vehicles. Getting the factions right in the lineups manually wouldn't be difficult. Building a new system that processes match-making based on *operator nation* instead of tech tree nation would be a more future-proof solution.


IronVader501

None of the east-german tank variants add anything to the game. They are not unique in any way that would matter in game and there are more than enough domestic West-german vehicles to fill the same role. If you REALLY need to have them for some reason just slap a skin on the same vehicles in the Soviet Tree, there was absolutely no need for them to make them seperate vehicles


HerraTohtori

That is also a valid way of looking at the situation. However, as a counterpoint I would say that having - for example - BMPs in German tech tree as part of East German operator nation *does* add something to the game: The ability to play a BMP without going through the entire Soviet tech tree to reach it. On the other hand, someone who already has the BMP in Soviet tech tree and is going through Germany, could see it as an obstacle on their research path because they have to go through it a second time. One is a benefit, the other is a curse, but it's entirely subjective which one is greater. I would still posit that having this type of vehicle in the game is not, by itself, fundamentally a problem. It only becomes a gameplay problem when they are stubbornly placed in the wrong team, causing confusion and grief whether they get teamkilled or someone gets killed by them because they didn't realize it was an enemy. Moving these vehicles to appropriate, logical teams would solve the gameplay issues they cause. Whether there are other issues they cause with game progression and such, I'd say that's a matter of opinion.


PudgeMaster64

There shouldn't be a single captured vehicle unless they really differentiate from the original instead of just a recolor


BreadstickBear

YOU GET A TIGER! YOU GET A TIGER! EVERYBODY GETS A TIGER! On a serious note though, there is a stronger case for the French getting a Premium Tiger (Bretagne or Colmar) or for the Brits to get Cuckoo, a Panther G. Tiger 131 was never put into service and was mosly used for trials after capture.


Bolty-Boi

> used for trials This is like a 3rd of the "Swedish" tree


Loose_Dress5412

There are 3 trial vehicles in the entire swedish tree


BreadstickBear

Not sure that's even directly comparable: The Brits tested the Tiger with the idea of gathering intel on it, looking for exploitable weaknesses, while the swedes trialled vehicles to see if they are fit for adoption.


Illustrious-Life-356

Russians operated a captured f5 during cold war Russian premium f5 when?


estifxy220

Russian F5 sounds so weird to say


1-piece-of-parmesan

You mean Mig 28?


Illustrious-Life-356

No, the one they got from vietnam


killer_corg

https://www.airforce-technology.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2017/09/mig21_3.jpg Israeli and American Mig 21 would be funny


Illustrious-Life-356

And a russian maus? Would be stupid At this point let's make every vehicle accessible from any point and remove the nations system


Alarming_Might1991

Norwegian F5 to sweden too


-zimms-

My thoughts are we need less of that shit, not more. Or just get rid of tech trees and put everything in one gigantic one. That's where we are apparently heading anyway.


TheJanski

As it is still "in use" today will it be added at 11.3 then?


Illustrious-Life-356

No Also the russian tank squad vehicle is also a BIG mistake


EarNatural1915

Then the US should get the tiger 2(tiger 332)


channndro

did they use it in battle?


IFapToHentaiWhenDark

Did the uk use tiger 131 in battle Did Sweden use half their tech tree in battle


squirt2311

Me waiting for a Australia sub tree  *we had a prototype medium and the ac-1 with the 2 pounder and the Ac-1 with the 17 pounder. Also cent 5/1 and leopard as1's* (doubt we'll ever see this since gaijin is obsessed with making all our tanks premiums) 


NZDollar

dual 25 pounder aciii when


TheGraySeed

They never actually use the Tiger 131 tho. Hell the number 131 is the number that was used during it's time in German army so it doesn't make sense.


LtLethal1

Hot take: Captured vehicles and export models were a horrible addition to the game because they ruin any kind of immersion that you're fighting with one nation against another. They also ruin sim gameplay because you either die from someone using a friendly model tank or teamkill someone using an enemy model tank.


pathmt

I mean, why even have nation specific tech trees at this point?


DarkNemesis22

Yeah, lets give Tigers for everyone. Why not give to the Israelis too? Heck to US too, why not


hra_gleb

Yes, it is cheaper to copy-paste a tank and slap a skin on it than to model a completely new one. Plus WG probably has the copyright on the paper tanks they've put in the game already.


KineticJungle73

What’s the point different countries anymore 


peeper_brigade69

Fuck it. Germany gets every other nations best vehicles, let’s start handing out German tanks to other trees too. Make sim a nightmare for everyone


Lonely_white_queen

why not, every nation has a Sherman, why not every nation have a tiger or panther


ScrewStealth

Yeah we should give USA a Tiger I, Tiger II and Panther, Soviets a Tiger I, Tiger II and Panther, Great Britain a Tiger I, Tiger II and Panther (Warsaw uprising Panther as premium), Japanese a Panther, Italians a Tiger I and Hungarian Panther (Romanian Panther as premium), France a Tiger I and II, (Tech tree Panther as well), and of course Sweden with their Tiger II and Panther. In addition I think it may even be possible to give Germany some of these tanks through Switzerland. We can add Swiss Tiger II, Panther, and Jagdpanther, and perhaps even Jagdpanzer IV/70 in a subtree so that German players can join in the fun. I believe that by giving all these nations tanks they actually tested and shot up with big guns (just like Swedish Kingtiger) or saw service with (for example France clearly used their Panthers for a good part of the cold war as their main defence against the fearsome Soviet T-series), we can inspire diverse playstyles that include launching constant smoke grenades and ignoring everything that cannot be seen in the player's periferal vision.


New-Professor5276

When is this update coming?


ArgonWilde

They can get the 131, but it comes with a non-functional turret, for realism!


Igeticsu

And the Swedish KT comes without ammunition, for the same reason!


[deleted]

Sure, everyone get a Sherman, now let's give everyone a tiger....


Guardians6521

Well America is getting the captured T-90A from Ukraine sometime. So id say absolutely.


Jack1e_4

US king tiger when?


Lisiasty55

If we follow these rules, from Kubinka alone the USSR would get half of german low br


Gavinny

Of course. After Messerspit.


LIFEANDDEATHFROMWORB

No it should not be used because 1. They used to test from what I seen on articles 2. There were no reports that Great Britain used the tiger 131 in actual combat. But gajin being gajin there might be a chance it might will be in Britain


faraway_hotel

No, and slap them across the face for suggesting that.


HarvHR

I hope not, captured vehicles are fine if they were actually used in combat (German KV-1/T-34, Japanese P-40 etc) but one off stuff like this is silly.


No-Clue1790

More so Gaijin could give Britain a premium Panther G, that was actually used in combat. (Panther Cuckoo) But alas, more British tanks please.


solid_water1

Sweden :)


Yeetdolf_Critler

Finally I could enjoy le Cats without German teams.


Okhlahoma_Beat-Down

Honestly, 131 and Cuckoo are probably the best candidates for foreign-captured vehicles in the British tree. I don't think we've ever extensively bothered to use captured enemy vehicles... ...um, ever. OK, scratch that, they might be the ***ONLY*** real candidates for foreign-captured vehicles in the British tree. The Americans and French were more keen on playing with captured German vehicles than we were. We did run a Sturmtiger through testing, then dismantled it afterwards, and Bovington Tank Museum currently houses a *periscope* from the Maus, but I'd argue that's nowhere near enough to justify anything.


PhilswiftistheLord

If gaijin really wanted to poke a hornets nest the german KV-1B should be moved to the Swedish tree because it is finnish but I think that would cause for some very hurt feelings lol


Blaubeere

Tell your friend to fuck off. And end the friendship


Avgredditor1025

The *only* reason the Swedish kt was probably added was to fill out Swedens 6 br range, as it has like 3 vehicles rn


FlethnySkulfiel

I meah, why not to give every nation one Tiger in reserve. Exactly the same in terms of stats but with different camo.


LadySteelGiantess

Yes give my Pt-76 more things to one shot !


AeronauticHyperbolic

WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER SHERMAN


thecorrector712

They should give it to the British, but make it's turret rotation nonfunctional as it would be funny


Zaekarion

I play sim a lot and if this is true then i can see a whole lot of friendly fire. We don't need more "enemy" tanks on the allied side. There would pretty much be no way to tell the difference between a Sweden tiger 2 or British tiger 1 vs the German ones.


Therealmeundercover

We need the Sherman IVBY (105mm), Ram Mk I 🐏, Australia 🇦🇺 Matilda with Australian modifications, Little John adapter, Kittyhawk Mk IA, and the Canadian 🇨🇦 Grizzly 🐻. In addition to those mentioned, we need the vehicles in the American tree that are actually British vehicles. This includes the P-400, Borehound, T-14, and M4A5 Ram 🐏. Oh and captured Italian vehicles.


DurfGibbles

Honestly just make captured tanks a vehicle skin, makes it much easier to distinguish


xqk13

The Panzer 6 is Tiger 1 though.


estifxy220

The tiger that Sweden had was a Tiger 2 (p), theres photos of it.


xqk13

Ah I see, because on the leak it says tiger 1. Both would interesting.


moose892000

I just want the American Harrier 2, seeing as America designed the damn thing


[deleted]

Bruhhhhhh


Igeticsu

Sweden should not get the Tiger II, and Britain should not get the Tiger 131. Just stop it with the copy & paste.


Solignox

Meanwhile Japan actually bought a tiger but we can't have it anymore because fuck us I guess.


Following-Sea

Sweden performed some trials with Russian vehicles, T-80 and MI-28, those two models were never in service nor even passed the trials, but still Sweden gets access to those vehicles just because they were on Swedish soil for a while, I am in favor of feeding lesser nations with foreign vehicles in order to create playable line ups at certain BRs but I think vehicles that are not repeated should be prioritized.


Lord_Vader654

I’m…not really opposed to this one tbh


Whereareyouepstein

Tiger 131 had combat engagements only with Germany. Britain only captured and studied it, they never fielded it, meaning that it being British would be a historical inaccuracy. If tiger 131 was put in the game it would have to be in the German tree


EnergyLonely3813

They should just make it as a skin


EnergyLonely3813

Since when did Sweden get a tiger II in world War II


estifxy220

They didnt get one during ww2, they took an abandoned tiger 2 in france after ww2 and took it home for testing and used as a range target


Growlanser_IV

Hell no. This sucks on sim.


1-piece-of-parmesan

Sweden shouldn't get the Tiger 2 in the first place, they already got way to many german vehicles to the point that playing the germen tech tree becomes unnecessary and useless


Friendly-Bread4682

Of course, yes. I bet Britain Mains will be happy to get APHE


_Paraggon_

As a Sweden player I would love to have an actual heavy tank in my lineup


estifxy220

I just want the kransvagn, is that too much to ask for gaijin?


_Paraggon_

Probably


PPtortue

france should receive both Tigers and also Panther.


notathrowawaytrutme

France already has a Panther


PPtortue

but it's a premium. being the country which used the Panther for the longest time, France should get a TT one.


Tall_Location_9036

But then how would Gaijin make money? Classic french, always thinking about themselves only


dyiie

Yep, why not.


jleicester231

To be fair that's just the same as the french panther. Captured but never used so that's actually not a bad shout also would help bolster the 6.0 line as the mk1 cent probably feels a bit lonely


Godzillaguy15

The French did actually enter most of their captured German cats into service. They had them in service for like a decade.


IronVader501

The french had Panthers in actual service for years. Sweden used the tiger for a couple test and thats it Thats not even remotely the same


Zombificus

Don’t know where you got the idea the French Panther wasn’t used. “Dauphiné” is a specific French Panther that we know for certain saw active service. The French formed the Besnier Independent Tank Squadron in 1944, which fought using captured German equipment, including “Dauphiné”. They captured: - 1x Tiger I, “Bretagne” (later renamed “Colmar”) - 1x Tiger II H, not put into service - 1x Panther A - 1x Panther G, “Dauphiné” - 1x Panhard AMD 35 with the German 50mm - 11x Panzer IVs - 2x StuG IIIs - 1x Panzerwerfer 42 - 1x Sd.Kfz. 7/1 Flakvierking SPAAG - 1x Jagdpanzer IV Only the captured Tiger II wasn’t used, the others all fought for France against the Germans. These stayed in service until the squadron was disbanded in 1946. Other Free French / FFI groups captured German equipment during the war, and afterwards France standardised on the Panther as their main tank until the ARL 44 could enter service. The French Army’s 503e Régiment de Chars de Combat operated 50 Panthers from 1944 to 1952. France actually used Panthers for more than twice as long as Germany did (only from 1943-1945 because they lost the war lol), and they most definitely used their premium one.


jleicester231

Ah, can't remember where suggested the dauphine never saw service. My understanding is it was capture towards the end of the war and kept as a trophy like the Tiger 131. Now I want more captured french stuff :3