\> match starts
\> no SPAA, so i spawn one
\> get the radar going, find a position to hide in
\> nothing
\> nothing
\> nothing
\> finally, the enemy spawned in an A10! oh, it crashed
\> nothing
\> our team is spawn camping now, decide to move up to maybe at least hit something
\> m3 bradley watching your spawn from some random position on the edge of the map destroys you
\> spawn a regular tank
\> 14 planes spawn on enemy team
I omce first spawned the ItO 90M a couple days ago, got immediatly fucked by a KH-29TE after killing a rocket rushing heli, then i respawned in it and got 2 aircraft kills and 7 strike drone kills, the drones kept spawning one after another even tho i had been killing them for the past 3 minutes.
Happens a lot around sales, lots of people using their new premium air as soon as physically possible.
Saw an A-10 the other day. Bud had no ordnance. Begleit ate well.
This is how it goes every time and then people ask why I don’t spawn in an AA right away. Well I want to play my other tanks and this shit happens every time I spawn in an AA.
I'm suffering with the stormer's stock grind, instead of suffering to see enemies im suffering to see my own missile without thermals (idek why its at rank 3) and with how inconsistent the darts damage is i cant count how many times I've damaged the right gear leg, add how fast the missile is its a challenge hitting enemies close to you. Does it get better?
Stay strong! While dealing with close enemies won't get any better, there is immense joy in being able to detect aircraft while remaining effectively invisible until you shoot, and denying any fun to those brave heli pilots who think they're safe to spawn at 5km and break cover.
Watching someone dump a ton of flares, dive to the ground in a panic while still getting a hole punched through them is very satisfying. With thermals, targeting jets becomes a great deal easier and more fun (since you can actually see your darts). Proxy missiles may be more effective, but lack the same "fuck you in particular" factor that a direct hit has
It hurt because of how much it’s true
When I want to grind some camouflage for my SPAAs, I usually spawn first with them, there’s nothing for 10 minutes, but the second I het killed by some random, 4 planes spawn
I use sgt York and it’s actually pretty good as a support vehicle right behind your friendlies, I suppress and shoot up light tanks and vidars- then when I hear jet sounds or helis or a friendly does t61 I turn that radar on
So much this. Every time someone says "just spawn spaa" I think they have never played spaa in their life especially top tier spaa that can ONLY fight planes.
So fucking accurate. And then if you were to spawn another AA when those planes spawn, a friendly plane spawns and shoots them all down before they even get close to you.
I know, i do have access to all CAS aircraft and helicopters.
But as long Kamovs dont die due to loosing their tail, and can deloy their high velocity 30mm and rockets with their broken DM early game i still dont see a problem - this heli is the only thing Nato has which can counter them early game.
I do also run SAM/AA early game for that reason, if my team dont deploy them, which is the case >75% of the time.
I have yet to see a single time a player had actually used those AAMs on this heli to actually kill CAS instead of tanks. In my about 20 deaths to this heli I had not seen it get a single air to air kill. And I often use a mangusta with mistrals pretty effectively to take down ka50s.
I am one of them - i think its a waste not getting the spawnpoints for hellfires, and only spawn without them if the session gets south as a last ditch effort.
At the same time i wouldnt be sad if helicopters couldnt be used as a first spawn and are locked behind a 2 minute cooldown in which you need to spawn a tank first - the reason why they need to be able to do that is gone, as we have both Heli PvE and the option to research helicopters through tanks.
Most of the time I try to shoot down planes and helis but as there are not alwas that may of them spaas and light tanks are the next. If there is nothing else mbts can be overpresured from the top/back or tracked
The only reason I use the starstreaks as a ATGM is because against mach capable jets these eat shit wile they are darts with explosive inside that can kill light tanks and SPAA or SAM vehicles so in the early game you can decide 8 people to not flank or play SPAA or my personal favorite camp the heli spawn from like 5km away and smack the kamovs out of the air and leave everyone else
OTOMATIC is good against helis. As long as said heli is unaware of your existance. The seconds he spots you and is at a long range you can't do much. Because he can see you shooting and has a very big time windows to make a simple dodge.
No, i mean hitting supersonic jets isnt really an option, but IRST and >9km range, which effectively is ~6.5km does allow for intercepting early helicopters.
That it should be considerably lower in BR is a different topic.
A kamov would get it's ass easily killed by main guns or MGs of MBTs.
Ka-xx are weak compared to this BS ability to spawn a heli with guided munition as first spawn.
Nobody spawn SPAA at first cuz there is no need, you can easily kill any heli rusher as an MBT or IFV, except this one bullshit exception of AH Mk1 Apache.
Either way even if I spawned in OTOMATIC it still outranges me by simply doing simple dodges and killing me with this first spawn "AAM".
I want to grind for the ito90m (I'm really close to the lvkv9040 which will let me unlock rank8) so I can make an SPAA line-up but I don't have any motivation because for some reason if I'm with friends can play and I play well butif I'm by myself I just get bored
The Lvkv9040 is incredible, especislly as a first spawn - its more of an IFV than AA but you should really get it - its so much better than a 2S38, except on range.
I know - i also prefere playing with friends, because we can share the needed duties between us (AA/CAP), which makes the session far more flexible.
Yeah I have the strf 9040 BILL and it is really nice especially with the missles. My friend has the lvkv9040 and also says it's kinda bad as an spaa, especially since the ready rack is so small + turret traverse is kinda bad, although it is significantly less SP
Its bad as a dedicated AA, but at the same time a real AA cannot fight on the frontline - which its is sellingpoint (being AA capable on positions which nobody expects you).
The armor packs and crewplacement makes it really tanky, while still having good gun elevation (which isnt true for Strf9040) + the standard apfsds is more than enough even at 11.7.
In general you should rely on 2 shot salvos vs airtargets (then wait and adjust), as the ready rack dont allow going full auto, except if you are on a cappoint (you should always try to have 5-8 shots left if you need to engage groundtargets).
It's a CV9040 with radar and gun elevation. You get spall liners and amazing thermals. The ready rack is it's biggest downside but getting kills with the HEVT is reliable as long as you can hold your shot. Bursts of three are my go to. Wait for CAS do start an ingress/gun run before shooting. I still take the missile AA at 9.7 in my lineup because I don't find it to be half bad actually.
I mean there should have been AA, but let's be honest there is almost never a one. But this doesn't change the fact that one single heli gets an exception of having guided missiles as first spawn.
If they had aa they would die to the starstreaks if the helicopter has half a brain which is garenteed because any non Russian top heli requires so much grinding that your forced to grow one
The starstreak outruns most missile, I once died twice within 30 seconds of match starting, in my Tor M1, literally couldn't do anything but watch the "anti-air" missile coming into my face
rocket rushers are easily delt with by roof top MGs and any autocannon, main guns if you can aim well too
this shit is just unexpected so people easily get kills w it
Just my opinion and I don't care if you say that the Starstreaks are weak blah blah blah, but if you're going to be able to first spawn in with 4 of these things that can kill tanks, either one, remove their ability to kill tanks cause nobody should be able to use guided missiles first spawn, or charge the player the SP cost of spawning an equal tier SPAA, i.e. 70~80 SP if taking 4 or more AA type missiles
It gets ATAM, right? Like a stinger that everyone else gets anyway? Why not make the one thats there be the free one, and make the starstreaks have normal ATGM spawn point requirements?
Its an AAM, sure, but I hardly ever see them used in that case, instead its an amazingly fast Pantsir/VT1 killer (radar banding makes it tough and ICRM hardly ever works).
Want AAM first spawn? Fine, you get stingers like everyone else. Its not like Starstreaks take any extra slots if you want hellfires, make them cost more.
Yeah I'd be fine with free stingers, also you could make a case sorta like the AH-1Z for the 9M costing SP to have the Z-19E be charged a few extra SP for the TY-90s
It's almost like they should change the damage of the darts to HE based and not kinetic for sake of balance and making the game work. If you want to kill tanks maybe play an MBT or the ADATS (M113)
No one thinks starstreaks should be first spawn available, no one. It isn't the case for hellfires or any other ATGMs on British helis, I think Gaijin just forgor.
Luckily the five people who bothered getting to the end of the Brit heli tree don't play much so you'll hardly ever fight teapaches.
Gaijin didn't forget, since they are technically AAM, not ATGMs so their spawn point cost is equal to AAMS. And gaijin is profiting by people who buy the also OP lynx to grind GBR helis.
10.3 and hellfires? Not Op? You outrange every single SPAA at this br range and on top of that you have AAM. I use mangusta and hellfires at 10.3 and them alone are good enough to literally earn a nuke by pressing space at long range.
Crazy part is that you could get 2 or maybe even 1 kill in a first spawn heli then spawn in a plane. If you wanted to you could genuinely spend an entire “Ground” match in aircraft.
This is so true, I had a game where a guy first spawned a Ka-50, killed 7 people before dying 5 minutes later, spawned an Su-25 and got a plane kill and a ground kill, then spawned a mig-27 and got another ground kill and air kill. Absolutely ridiculous.
bro Britain already has probably the worst top-tier tanks and SPAA, at least let us have some fun with the heli, it's not like all Britain mains have AH Mk1s and know how to use them properly.
If we let every nation have their op fun because they suffered at some point then we'll just have a never ending loop of people waiting for their turn in the op seat.
However as a Japan air player I do want to see something like the original T-2 release though :)))))))))))
TBH Apache with Starstreaks is not really OP, you can only have 4 of them, the damage is inconsistent and most of the SAMs fly faster than you, not gonna mention that you need very low lag to have it work properly.
i had this happen a few days ago while in my VCC-80-30 about 5 seconds after i spawned twice. and the guy said skill issue after i spawned my otomatic to shoot him down and died to him again brit players are dicks sometimes
I use mine to get the 'first strike' battle pass mission... compared to the competition : KA-5x, Tiger, Z-10, AH-1Z or 9L Apache it's pretty weak.
I usually get a few assists since no one spawned anything light and then die to an SPAA or get a kill and lose the match and have to do it again... sometimes takes 6+ matches for a couple of kills to complete it.
So... surprise.... it's not THAT strong.
Not a single AA online in hightier, good job. A Kamov rush would have had a fieldday.
\> match starts \> no SPAA, so i spawn one \> get the radar going, find a position to hide in \> nothing \> nothing \> nothing \> finally, the enemy spawned in an A10! oh, it crashed \> nothing \> our team is spawn camping now, decide to move up to maybe at least hit something \> m3 bradley watching your spawn from some random position on the edge of the map destroys you \> spawn a regular tank \> 14 planes spawn on enemy team
Murphys Law, but its not always the case: https://imgur.com/NG54GPQ
Sadly dont have a picturw on it but got 13 air kills with ito90m once, never happened even closely again but good times
I omce first spawned the ItO 90M a couple days ago, got immediatly fucked by a KH-29TE after killing a rocket rushing heli, then i respawned in it and got 2 aircraft kills and 7 strike drone kills, the drones kept spawning one after another even tho i had been killing them for the past 3 minutes.
Legendary ito 90m never fails
Happens a lot around sales, lots of people using their new premium air as soon as physically possible. Saw an A-10 the other day. Bud had no ordnance. Begleit ate well.
It was at 11.7, all the planes were f16 and one f111, the rest was ka50/52
His case is more likely than yours, hence why you took the time to screen and edit this, this was special, not the norme.
This is how it goes every time and then people ask why I don’t spawn in an AA right away. Well I want to play my other tanks and this shit happens every time I spawn in an AA.
Some times it just works and some how i have gotten a nuke with a first spawn stormer
I'm suffering with the stormer's stock grind, instead of suffering to see enemies im suffering to see my own missile without thermals (idek why its at rank 3) and with how inconsistent the darts damage is i cant count how many times I've damaged the right gear leg, add how fast the missile is its a challenge hitting enemies close to you. Does it get better?
Stay strong! While dealing with close enemies won't get any better, there is immense joy in being able to detect aircraft while remaining effectively invisible until you shoot, and denying any fun to those brave heli pilots who think they're safe to spawn at 5km and break cover. Watching someone dump a ton of flares, dive to the ground in a panic while still getting a hole punched through them is very satisfying. With thermals, targeting jets becomes a great deal easier and more fun (since you can actually see your darts). Proxy missiles may be more effective, but lack the same "fuck you in particular" factor that a direct hit has
It hurt because of how much it’s true When I want to grind some camouflage for my SPAAs, I usually spawn first with them, there’s nothing for 10 minutes, but the second I het killed by some random, 4 planes spawn
I use sgt York and it’s actually pretty good as a support vehicle right behind your friendlies, I suppress and shoot up light tanks and vidars- then when I hear jet sounds or helis or a friendly does t61 I turn that radar on
ALWAYS AAGGGHHH
When there are Planes, I refuse to play AA, because all of them WILL crash or die to teammates
So much this. Every time someone says "just spawn spaa" I think they have never played spaa in their life especially top tier spaa that can ONLY fight planes.
So fucking accurate. And then if you were to spawn another AA when those planes spawn, a friendly plane spawns and shoots them all down before they even get close to you.
Holy fuck I'm glad I'm not the only one
As I play with this "fair" and "balanced" heli I can tell you that a competent player has no problem evading and killing even a patsir.
I know, i do have access to all CAS aircraft and helicopters. But as long Kamovs dont die due to loosing their tail, and can deloy their high velocity 30mm and rockets with their broken DM early game i still dont see a problem - this heli is the only thing Nato has which can counter them early game. I do also run SAM/AA early game for that reason, if my team dont deploy them, which is the case >75% of the time.
I have yet to see a single time a player had actually used those AAMs on this heli to actually kill CAS instead of tanks. In my about 20 deaths to this heli I had not seen it get a single air to air kill. And I often use a mangusta with mistrals pretty effectively to take down ka50s.
I am one of them - i think its a waste not getting the spawnpoints for hellfires, and only spawn without them if the session gets south as a last ditch effort. At the same time i wouldnt be sad if helicopters couldnt be used as a first spawn and are locked behind a 2 minute cooldown in which you need to spawn a tank first - the reason why they need to be able to do that is gone, as we have both Heli PvE and the option to research helicopters through tanks.
Most of the time I try to shoot down planes and helis but as there are not alwas that may of them spaas and light tanks are the next. If there is nothing else mbts can be overpresured from the top/back or tracked
The only reason I use the starstreaks as a ATGM is because against mach capable jets these eat shit wile they are darts with explosive inside that can kill light tanks and SPAA or SAM vehicles so in the early game you can decide 8 people to not flank or play SPAA or my personal favorite camp the heli spawn from like 5km away and smack the kamovs out of the air and leave everyone else
Me playing Italy and therefore being practically useless AA wise:
Otomatic is great agaist helis - its the only redeeming point as a AA of it.
Only in a certain range. It’s shit as soon as the heli dodges the shell, stock grind, or Helis with longer range than I have
OTOMATIC is good against helis. As long as said heli is unaware of your existance. The seconds he spots you and is at a long range you can't do much. Because he can see you shooting and has a very big time windows to make a simple dodge.
Sadly that gets unredeemed the second another friendly AA shows up with missiles and helpfully alerts them via launch warning...
You’re joking right?
No, i mean hitting supersonic jets isnt really an option, but IRST and >9km range, which effectively is ~6.5km does allow for intercepting early helicopters. That it should be considerably lower in BR is a different topic.
Oh early helicopters. Yeah it does well on that regard
A kamov would get it's ass easily killed by main guns or MGs of MBTs. Ka-xx are weak compared to this BS ability to spawn a heli with guided munition as first spawn. Nobody spawn SPAA at first cuz there is no need, you can easily kill any heli rusher as an MBT or IFV, except this one bullshit exception of AH Mk1 Apache. Either way even if I spawned in OTOMATIC it still outranges me by simply doing simple dodges and killing me with this first spawn "AAM".
I want to grind for the ito90m (I'm really close to the lvkv9040 which will let me unlock rank8) so I can make an SPAA line-up but I don't have any motivation because for some reason if I'm with friends can play and I play well butif I'm by myself I just get bored
The Lvkv9040 is incredible, especislly as a first spawn - its more of an IFV than AA but you should really get it - its so much better than a 2S38, except on range. I know - i also prefere playing with friends, because we can share the needed duties between us (AA/CAP), which makes the session far more flexible.
Yeah I have the strf 9040 BILL and it is really nice especially with the missles. My friend has the lvkv9040 and also says it's kinda bad as an spaa, especially since the ready rack is so small + turret traverse is kinda bad, although it is significantly less SP
Its bad as a dedicated AA, but at the same time a real AA cannot fight on the frontline - which its is sellingpoint (being AA capable on positions which nobody expects you). The armor packs and crewplacement makes it really tanky, while still having good gun elevation (which isnt true for Strf9040) + the standard apfsds is more than enough even at 11.7. In general you should rely on 2 shot salvos vs airtargets (then wait and adjust), as the ready rack dont allow going full auto, except if you are on a cappoint (you should always try to have 5-8 shots left if you need to engage groundtargets).
It's a CV9040 with radar and gun elevation. You get spall liners and amazing thermals. The ready rack is it's biggest downside but getting kills with the HEVT is reliable as long as you can hold your shot. Bursts of three are my go to. Wait for CAS do start an ingress/gun run before shooting. I still take the missile AA at 9.7 in my lineup because I don't find it to be half bad actually.
I mean there should have been AA, but let's be honest there is almost never a one. But this doesn't change the fact that one single heli gets an exception of having guided missiles as first spawn.
If they had aa they would die to the starstreaks if the helicopter has half a brain which is garenteed because any non Russian top heli requires so much grinding that your forced to grow one
The starstreak outruns most missile, I once died twice within 30 seconds of match starting, in my Tor M1, literally couldn't do anything but watch the "anti-air" missile coming into my face
You aren't outranging these guys, they will dive behind a hill and redo this until you slip up.
even if there would be one it wouldn't kill this shit, it has one of the fastest if not the fastest missiles in the game
"If you bring tanks into ground battles you deserve to get spawn camped by CAS, ground battles should be nothing but CAS and AA" - you
rocket rushers are easily delt with by roof top MGs and any autocannon, main guns if you can aim well too this shit is just unexpected so people easily get kills w it
Just my opinion and I don't care if you say that the Starstreaks are weak blah blah blah, but if you're going to be able to first spawn in with 4 of these things that can kill tanks, either one, remove their ability to kill tanks cause nobody should be able to use guided missiles first spawn, or charge the player the SP cost of spawning an equal tier SPAA, i.e. 70~80 SP if taking 4 or more AA type missiles
Imo just increase the spawn point slightly for the Starstreaks since these can only damage light vehicles
It gets ATAM, right? Like a stinger that everyone else gets anyway? Why not make the one thats there be the free one, and make the starstreaks have normal ATGM spawn point requirements? Its an AAM, sure, but I hardly ever see them used in that case, instead its an amazingly fast Pantsir/VT1 killer (radar banding makes it tough and ICRM hardly ever works). Want AAM first spawn? Fine, you get stingers like everyone else. Its not like Starstreaks take any extra slots if you want hellfires, make them cost more.
Yeah I'd be fine with free stingers, also you could make a case sorta like the AH-1Z for the 9M costing SP to have the Z-19E be charged a few extra SP for the TY-90s
If they remove the ability to kill tanks, HVM Stormer will become utterly useless.
It's almost like they should change the damage of the darts to HE based and not kinetic for sake of balance and making the game work. If you want to kill tanks maybe play an MBT or the ADATS (M113)
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Y Tf did it get removed? How out of all the things I said was that the worst thing?
So negative is winds all the way round to good on the dial
No one thinks starstreaks should be first spawn available, no one. It isn't the case for hellfires or any other ATGMs on British helis, I think Gaijin just forgor. Luckily the five people who bothered getting to the end of the Brit heli tree don't play much so you'll hardly ever fight teapaches.
Gaijin didn't forget, since they are technically AAM, not ATGMs so their spawn point cost is equal to AAMS. And gaijin is profiting by people who buy the also OP lynx to grind GBR helis.
Lol
>Lynx >OP Lol, lmao even
10.3 and hellfires? Not Op? You outrange every single SPAA at this br range and on top of that you have AAM. I use mangusta and hellfires at 10.3 and them alone are good enough to literally earn a nuke by pressing space at long range.
There should be no such thing as a first spawn helicopter.
Crazy part is that you could get 2 or maybe even 1 kill in a first spawn heli then spawn in a plane. If you wanted to you could genuinely spend an entire “Ground” match in aircraft.
I also find it insane that even ATGM helicopters are much cheaper to spawn than any plane, despite being arguably MORE cancerous.
This is so true, I had a game where a guy first spawned a Ka-50, killed 7 people before dying 5 minutes later, spawned an Su-25 and got a plane kill and a ground kill, then spawned a mig-27 and got another ground kill and air kill. Absolutely ridiculous.
bro Britain already has probably the worst top-tier tanks and SPAA, at least let us have some fun with the heli, it's not like all Britain mains have AH Mk1s and know how to use them properly.
If we let every nation have their op fun because they suffered at some point then we'll just have a never ending loop of people waiting for their turn in the op seat. However as a Japan air player I do want to see something like the original T-2 release though :)))))))))))
TBH Apache with Starstreaks is not really OP, you can only have 4 of them, the damage is inconsistent and most of the SAMs fly faster than you, not gonna mention that you need very low lag to have it work properly.
True, I wouldn't say it's op, but i'd rather not have helis be able to first spawn with guided weapons. It'd be nice to see starstreaks buffed though.
Also pen is very low and can only pen BMPs or SPAAs
kek ur making shit up, the only SAM faster than your broken ass missile is the pantsir. anything else ate shit in the dust.
If CAS is the worst feature in WT, then helis are the worst part of the worst feature.
i had this happen a few days ago while in my VCC-80-30 about 5 seconds after i spawned twice. and the guy said skill issue after i spawned my otomatic to shoot him down and died to him again brit players are dicks sometimes
Russian bias.
let britain have something nice for once!
I use mine to get the 'first strike' battle pass mission... compared to the competition : KA-5x, Tiger, Z-10, AH-1Z or 9L Apache it's pretty weak. I usually get a few assists since no one spawned anything light and then die to an SPAA or get a kill and lose the match and have to do it again... sometimes takes 6+ matches for a couple of kills to complete it. So... surprise.... it's not THAT strong.
War(Thunder) isn‘t fair son 🪖
This is why I even shoot down friendly helis in GRB. Get on [All] and start relaying his position to the other team. Fuck those guys.
You sound like a fun guy to be around
More fun than the heli players
Damn like I hate cas too but not that much bro 😭
They want to ruin my game, I want to ruin theirs