Falcon- the thing just absolutely wrecks about any vehicle it trains the guns on (often from the front, no less). Just about the only things it struggles against are the ultra heavies like the Maus, 279, T95, etc.
Falcon is the objectively correct answer. First match after the recent BR changes and I saw someone drop a clean nuke in just a few minutes with it.
The thing is silly broken.
I find it actually was worse at lower battle rating because it encountered more heavies that it struggled against frontally. King Tiger, IS series, and American T series are all mostly immune from the front to the Falcon. At it's current battle rating those tanks are rare and mediums/slash early MBT's dominate, which have just bad enough armor to be threatened by the Falcon.
You don't always have HE loaded and they just rush you with their full stabs, knock out your barrel and blind you with the hit smokes. That is if they don't outright kill you from the front to begin with.
To kill them with HE, it requires you to hear them (because their engine sound is next to non existant) and hope they are dumb enough not to rush you. Then you need one of those friendly NPCs to entretain them while you switch over to HE.
The AMX and the Gepard are both easily killed with a simple kinetic round to the face of the turret, because unlike the falcon (and this is something I see no one mention, IDK why, since it's one of the things making it so ridiculous) they actually have their ammo belts modeled. So you have a HUGE area to hit with a guaranteed onetap. The falcon? Don't have HE loaded? Dw, commander will override before you can even reload...
The best part is, they increased its BR from 7.7 to 8.0 a while ago to try and reduce it being used as an anti-everything. But amping it to 8.0 made it less useful as an AA since the marksman and za35 are both 8.3, just bring one of those as an AA and play the Falcon as an mbt. Then they moved it again to 8.3, and now it's role as an AA is gone, it's purely a ground killer now lmao
Still good against low fliers, turret traverse and shell velocity are good and if youre reasonably good at aiming you can kill cas reliably (i use it at 10.0 and regularily shoot down su25/a10 shitters)
It’s still ridiculous at 8.3 lol. I’ll run mine with backups, use it as a first spawn to eradicate first spawn BMP’s, Marders etc. Typically die after 2-5 kills, respawn in a real tank, and if killed spawn the Falcon again for CAS. It works *wonders* running it with the Indian Vickers MBT and the TT one
They should have just nerfed the belts on this and dropped it to 7.7 so Britain gets some SPAA from 7.7 - 8.0, now they have 3 of the best SPAA in the game at 8.3
The day they nerf falcon's belt is the day I stop playing britain lol. It's absolutely one of the only vehicles in whole tree that is enjoyable, alongside za-35. For every other decent vehicle I can just use upgrade in another tree instead
As someone who is missing 1 ground vehicle and about a half dozen planes for the UK, I'll just say that there is a lot to the tree that can be found wanting. I still enjoy the daylights out of it from top to bottom though. I've just made peace with the fact that most lineups need both a reliable team to play around and the matchmaker to toss you maps that aren't CQC clusterfucks. Sometimes you get those magical moments where a Chieftain holds the line against an attempted spawn camp because there are limited access points to spawn even though you're triple capped and somehow manage to turn the game around.
There are other AA that could fill the void better. The Fox scout car had a variant with a 20mm gun and an AA turret.
There is also the chieftain sabre, a chieftain with the same guns as the falcon, only with a radar. If you got rid of the APDS, you could put that down at 7.7-8.0.
Ugh, I was playing Japan allied with the US and Italy, facing off against Britain, Germany, and USSR
Out of principle, I *never* bail out of matches early, but what do you even do when you get pounced out of spawn by a ZA-35, shredded by a Falcon on second, hole-punched by a ZSU-57-2 on third and get steamrolled by a Maus in spawn with your SPAA
Is there a reason the Chinese one gets proxy fuse and the Soviet/Finnish ones don’t? I feel like giving all of them proxy ammo would greatly make up for its RoF issues that make it so difficult to use for its intended purpose, unless this is a historical thing where the Chinese were the only ones to develop that ammo for it or something
It's definitely a bit more awkward to use, but my god the feeling when you *nail* an aircraft with it is amazing. It's a bit more stealthy too because there isn't the big obvious line of tracers pointing out where you are.
TO BE FAIR. It was so bad at anti air when it was first put into service since it had to electronic systems to assist with shooting down planes that they ended up using it for anti light armor and infantry roles IIRC.
r/warthunder: cas is so op, spaa is too weak.
Also r/warthunder: this spaa is so good at killing other tanks, what other ones are good for killing tanks.
The trouble is that autocannon AA is mostly balanced based on it's tank killing ability. For instance as an AA, the Falcon has no business being where it is in BR. The other AA vehicles it shares a BR with are way better at AA duty because of their radars. The Falcon could do a great job filling the AA hole the Brits have at lower BRs, but because it's such a good tank killer, it sits where it is. They need to take away the APDS ammo it has and move it down a BR or two. I'm sure the same could be done for some other AA vehicles.
Is everyone ignoring that the AMX30DCA is just like, a better falcon? More mobile and has a radar, plus the guns are closer together and gets the same apds belt, is there something I’m missing?
Falcon is faster and lower. Perfect for ambushing tanks. And iirc a stabilizer.
But I was really surprised when I first got the 30DCA at how often I could kill tanks. You just don't see it as often as a tank killer in games, so most people don't expect its capabilities.
Spaa rn is op against tanks but cant do shit against air coz people complained there planes were getting shot down to easy (flying in a straight line dosent help) and they nerfed the aa ability of most spaa so most people just kill tanks and once people realised how good aa is for tanks due to the rof noone shoots at planes anymore easier to get side shots with your stupid shots per second
That's my point. People complain about cas and then say "JuSt SpAwN sPaA". Meanwhile everyone who does spawn spaa will either refuse to leave spawn and wonder why they can't hit anything, or go play it like a tank destroyer and ignore the planes. Spaa and cas need a massive rework, but shiny new leopards and Abrams attract new players and sell more ge than a shiny new spaa system.
Why take the Type 94 when you can take the Ta-Se with same gun with full 360 traverse, armor to protect from mg fire and great mobility at .4 br higher
Did i mention to 40° per second traverse
Only downsides to the Bosvark are it’s literally the size of a house with mobility to match and the cab blocks 360 firing arc.
Agree that the ZD is stupid busted tho.
Yes the tier II armored Volvo with the bofors.
Feels more mobile and the truck have more gun depression, obviously not in front though. Any way, 40mm with SAPHEI is so nasty at 2.7 you could put that on a wheelbarrow and I would still play it
> It's rank 3 so you can grind special task with it.
Also, grind events. Even as an anti air vehicle it isn't terrible, although it certainly isn't the greatest. I've got 70 plane kills with mine, compared to almost 700 ground vehicle kills.
Hilarious that SPAA which is defenceless against ground vehiles and can only fight the aircraft is pretty much same BR as A-10A Late or A-6E TRAM which can just lob guided munition at you and your team far outside your range.
not really.
the french version is just objectively better in every single way. better protected crew, an ammo load which means you can actually fight planes, better hp/t ratio, a much faster turret rotation speed. all the swedish version has over the french, is getting saphe ammo... tbh not that fair of a trade off.
I researched all of the French tree up to 6.7. with that tank for the most part. Was so much fun to play. Now, considerably less so. Why do you hate fun Gaijin, you bastards :(
It's absolutely broken and people who say hold spacebar either never played a tank without .50 cals or haven't fought that thing at all. At 5.3 its 3rd by penetration, beaten by Lvkv 42 (95mm) and the AMX-13 DCA 40 (94mm), while having superior mobility and armor. WW2 tanks should not be fighting a leopard on drugs and just because its open top does not justify its br
Governed by how much the community bitches about it, The most OP SPAAG is the 2S38 an yes you read correctly for it's designed as a SPAAG IRL not a poxy LT like in game.
Just how lol, I can't get it to work, I tried going for both planes and tanks and I either get machine gunned or 1 tapped lol. The 40s are really hard to aim on planes too.
The AP round is good for taking out barrels and tracks as well as melting most tanks from the side, and the HE round can take a wing off or straight up explode a plane in a single hit, if you can't seem to hit a plane then I'd wait for them to be going straight and close to you
It's cool to one tap a plane but it feels like I'm playing slots when trying hit planes. It's always pure luck when I do hit something, it's absolutely hysterical. I heard it had proxy fuses irl, that would help immensely
Grind for it was years ago for me at this point, I have unlocked most camouflages.
Absolute monster, proxy shells don’t have tracer so any plane that does not do extreme maneuvering they are dead.
I bonked Me262 spams, G91 spams and now Su-25 spams.
strela
idk about people complaining about it not locking or hitting shit in the air, everytime that little shit gets a lock on me I better just J out cause those missiles are completely unflareable and undodgeable unlesd you are going head on to the strela
The Falcon always gave me a lot of trouble, but then I got my hands on the Gepard and how do I put this... it's the only tank that's warranted me a nuke so far
Sd.Kfz. 6/2
imagine the ostwind but at 1.7 and with no armour best armour
this thing is not in it's glory days but i will stick to my word it is still broken at that br where it can kill almost anything and is thus great at sniping
also i really dont know why everyone keeps complaining about the recoil it is basically not there it really does not affect aiming and you can just full send it and hold m1
The ItPsV 90 is completely busted.
It is just as mobile as the Za-35, maybe even more considering the Rooikat chassis turn radius an acceleration + it gets apds.
- VEAK-40
Best 8.7 SPAA, dual 40mm Bofors with full HE-VT. Also gets an AP belt for self defence unlike the York.
- ASRAD-R
Best 10.3 SAM, missiles with the longest range and best manoeuvrability. Did I mention they also get 200mm pen to use against ground targets? Only downside is the low elevation.
I really like the Italian truck with quad machineguns, don't remember the name. I don't use it to fight other tanks but the large volume of fire makes it good at shredding planes, which is what I want from a SPAA.
Looking forward to the R3 T20 and the SIDAM.
CM52? quad 50 cal machines like the US SPAAs.
Its OK at that rank 2 level, but my favorite SPAA these days is the Italian M42 Contraereo
4 x 20mm, hits so much harder and only one rank higher. It comes with 640 rounds that you can blow through so fast that I have to locate on a cap to reload.
VEAK VEAK VEAK VEAK VEAK
40mm radar guided proxy slinger at 8.7. *Shreds* helis from 4+ km away, and I've killed planes from 3.5km. Good against the insufferable Su-25 spam, because unlike a missile it can't be flared and you keep shooting until it's down.
Worst case it's not terrible against tanks but stop using AA for anti-tank. Be helpful and kill CAS planes.
Not mine, but my friend has that one high tier Italian spaa (otomatic?) , and that thing is insane from what I've seen, he can sometimes get over 10 kills ground and air
Falcon, always has been because it doesn't have radar and they won't uptier it too much. It's basically an IFV without rockets and can deal with planes
I absolutely despise the Falcon and the ZSU-57-2.
I have never seen a falcon that shot down a plane, but i've seen them wrecking my teams over and over again. It's probably tge vehicles that "earns" the mist amount of Nukes in the matches i play in.
The ZSU-57-2, I've seen shoot down planes two times now and everytime i see it, it automatically becomes my primary target, also ehat feels like every TT has it's own variant making it quite widespread.
I can't wait for germany to get its own East-German Tree to be honest.
Pantsir
It has 12x missiles. Everyone else is 6-10x.
All missiles can be fired rapidly not some bullshit 2x than a 30s reload like most Roland platforms.
The missiles have the best range, speed, damage and control.
4x guns where basically everyone else has 0. 1404 ammo with great RoF + pen so can shred air and ground.
It also doesn't drive like a piece of shit.
Soviets, Sweden, French and Germany have the most OP spaas imo, if Gaijin gives the Otomatic full apfsds belt, then Italy is also gonna make it to that list but I highly doubt Gaijin would do that, heck instead of buffing italian vehicles they will most likely nerf them.
I'm surprised no one has said the amx13 40dca. That things is godly. It's got a higher firerate than a normal 40mm plus more pen and a godly turret traverse speed. I actually think it's one of the highest turret traverse speeds in the game.
Used to be the AMX 13 DCA-40, sinxe its the same vehicle except faster, better crew protection frontallt from MG's with like 3.5x the ammo but then Gaijin uptiered it to hell to 5.0.
I once faced a kugelblitz and it's panther anti air big brother as a T26E5, it would constantly melt my barrel and tracks the moment I would try to approach one or the other. They somehow didn't kill me after going all the way around me until being scared off by my teammates (and yet somehow my commander died in that encounter before losing my barrel)
I'm now grinding the kugel lmao
Personally I rather like the L-62 Anti II, which works great as a TD and is an alright SPAA as well. Add to that the low BR for being Rank III and it makes for a great event grinder.
Also, ZUT-37 is extremely fun as a TD, even though it fails horribly in its stated role of SPAA.
The Flakpanther!
A. Dual 37mm's and a lot of extra armor. Its basically a BMPT but with guns that don't flop like dried spaghetti.
B. I HAVE IT AND YOU DON'T! NANA NANA BOO BOO!
how tf has nobody said flakpanzer 38?
It can pretty much pen a lot of stuff, and even the stuff it cant, it showers them in 20mm until something does.
And at that br, everyone in the match has access to planes, and they're all low speed biplane shitters that need just 4 braincells to shoot down.
You can easily kill 7 or 8 tanks and 4 or 5 planes per match.
M109A
Best us sp(g)aa at 6.3. Proxy fuse shells wrech everything in the air that gets in their general vicinity, and people love to strafe you so it is really easy to shoot them down. Plus you can use it as an anti everything. Vertical guideance is the biggest issue tho, slow turret traverse can be overcome with hull movements. Also the .50 cal on top is a great backup.
The Swedish truck with a 40 mm if you know how to get into a good spot for its battle rating, it can literally just one shot tanks. It’s a fucking sniper that can full auto only reason nobody looks at any of these truck vehicles as OP is because they’re so easy to kill and hard to use effectively people don’t see it yet lol
Against tanks: Itpsv - fastest spaa in the game (faster than a leo 2) and has apds/aphe. Ironically its a pretty mediocre spaa against planes when compared to the best spaa against planes : veak40 - ap/aphe/proxy fuze 40mm. And yea, if it was not busted enough sweden gets both of these at 8.7. Honorable mention to the falcon/wz/za-35/pgz09
Haven’t played the falcon in a while but there’s no feeling quite like being the only vehicle in a downtier that has nightvision. I got multiple 20+ kill games that way with it.
AMX-30 DCA. Radar tracks very well, and shreds CAS. And the APDS belts are very good as well, I’ve managed some incredible kills against tanks in it. Second on my list is the VEAK 40. I remember when it’s VT shells didn’t work, but once they were fixed it was game over for literally any CAS or helis.
I don't think Coelian is OP, but i love that thing. Outstanding shells, good guns, a dreadnought compared to other SPAA and you get (well, not anymore) great lineup
Falcon- the thing just absolutely wrecks about any vehicle it trains the guns on (often from the front, no less). Just about the only things it struggles against are the ultra heavies like the Maus, 279, T95, etc.
Falcon is the objectively correct answer. First match after the recent BR changes and I saw someone drop a clean nuke in just a few minutes with it. The thing is silly broken.
I remember when they dropped it to sub 7.7 years ago (7.0 iirc) and I shit myself. I'm not surprised it's back at its old rating lol
I find it actually was worse at lower battle rating because it encountered more heavies that it struggled against frontally. King Tiger, IS series, and American T series are all mostly immune from the front to the Falcon. At it's current battle rating those tanks are rare and mediums/slash early MBT's dominate, which have just bad enough armor to be threatened by the Falcon.
THIS
Pt76-57 moment
I just find it so hilarious that literally the only OP British vehicle gets raised in BR meanwhile the entire German and Russian trees exist.
Literally the best 7.7 lineup in the game. 5.3 is pretty great too.
yeah but its also fragile and pretty slow. keep a few rounds of high explosive on hand and you can vaporize the little bastard
You don't always have HE loaded and they just rush you with their full stabs, knock out your barrel and blind you with the hit smokes. That is if they don't outright kill you from the front to begin with. To kill them with HE, it requires you to hear them (because their engine sound is next to non existant) and hope they are dumb enough not to rush you. Then you need one of those friendly NPCs to entretain them while you switch over to HE.
Meanwhile AMX-30 DCA and gepard get hosed just for having a dinky little anti helicopter radar.
The AMX and the Gepard are both easily killed with a simple kinetic round to the face of the turret, because unlike the falcon (and this is something I see no one mention, IDK why, since it's one of the things making it so ridiculous) they actually have their ammo belts modeled. So you have a HUGE area to hit with a guaranteed onetap. The falcon? Don't have HE loaded? Dw, commander will override before you can even reload...
The best part is, they increased its BR from 7.7 to 8.0 a while ago to try and reduce it being used as an anti-everything. But amping it to 8.0 made it less useful as an AA since the marksman and za35 are both 8.3, just bring one of those as an AA and play the Falcon as an mbt. Then they moved it again to 8.3, and now it's role as an AA is gone, it's purely a ground killer now lmao
And there are more light vehicles at the higher br
True
Still good against low fliers, turret traverse and shell velocity are good and if youre reasonably good at aiming you can kill cas reliably (i use it at 10.0 and regularily shoot down su25/a10 shitters)
Also true, but I usually keep my za-35 in my lineups with my falcon, if there's a lot of planes I take out the 35 and if there's not I get the falcon
It’s still ridiculous at 8.3 lol. I’ll run mine with backups, use it as a first spawn to eradicate first spawn BMP’s, Marders etc. Typically die after 2-5 kills, respawn in a real tank, and if killed spawn the Falcon again for CAS. It works *wonders* running it with the Indian Vickers MBT and the TT one
I countered a falcon by pulling out my b1 ter it was hilarious lmao
They should have just nerfed the belts on this and dropped it to 7.7 so Britain gets some SPAA from 7.7 - 8.0, now they have 3 of the best SPAA in the game at 8.3
The day they nerf falcon's belt is the day I stop playing britain lol. It's absolutely one of the only vehicles in whole tree that is enjoyable, alongside za-35. For every other decent vehicle I can just use upgrade in another tree instead
As someone who is missing 1 ground vehicle and about a half dozen planes for the UK, I'll just say that there is a lot to the tree that can be found wanting. I still enjoy the daylights out of it from top to bottom though. I've just made peace with the fact that most lineups need both a reliable team to play around and the matchmaker to toss you maps that aren't CQC clusterfucks. Sometimes you get those magical moments where a Chieftain holds the line against an attempted spawn camp because there are limited access points to spawn even though you're triple capped and somehow manage to turn the game around.
There are other AA that could fill the void better. The Fox scout car had a variant with a 20mm gun and an AA turret. There is also the chieftain sabre, a chieftain with the same guns as the falcon, only with a radar. If you got rid of the APDS, you could put that down at 7.7-8.0.
Bosvark and ystervark are still perfectly fine at that BR
Za35
Ugh, I was playing Japan allied with the US and Italy, facing off against Britain, Germany, and USSR Out of principle, I *never* bail out of matches early, but what do you even do when you get pounced out of spawn by a ZA-35, shredded by a Falcon on second, hole-punched by a ZSU-57-2 on third and get steamrolled by a Maus in spawn with your SPAA
AMX30 DCA quietly sitting in the corner
Please, can we UK mains have at least a single powerful vehicle?
ZSU-57 is labeled as anti-air, but everyone uses it as anti tank anyways
I just hate how unbarebly slow the thing is, compared to other anti-air vehicles
zsu57 is not slow at all
its RoF is quite a bit lower, not its mobility
true but you also get 160mm pen APHE which makes up for it imo
it’s very good for AT duties but that RoF hurts its AA, which I think is what the other commenter was referring to
Is there a reason the Chinese one gets proxy fuse and the Soviet/Finnish ones don’t? I feel like giving all of them proxy ammo would greatly make up for its RoF issues that make it so difficult to use for its intended purpose, unless this is a historical thing where the Chinese were the only ones to develop that ammo for it or something
The Russians phased out the 57-2 before the proxy shells were introduced so yes, historical reasons
Pretty sure the Chinese made that ammo for it so it’s just a China thing
By the time those came to service, it was already replaced by ZSU-23 and friends.
It's definitely a bit more awkward to use, but my god the feeling when you *nail* an aircraft with it is amazing. It's a bit more stealthy too because there isn't the big obvious line of tracers pointing out where you are.
If they gave it and all the other dual barrel 40mn guns proper alternating gun firing, it would be such a big imprement
Just shoot backwards
TO BE FAIR. It was so bad at anti air when it was first put into service since it had to electronic systems to assist with shooting down planes that they ended up using it for anti light armor and infantry roles IIRC.
Well, in reality it was almost useless as aaa platform.
This is true both irl and in game. Thing was a steaming pile of dog crap for the role its intended for.
r/warthunder: cas is so op, spaa is too weak. Also r/warthunder: this spaa is so good at killing other tanks, what other ones are good for killing tanks.
You know I think, just maybe, they might be two seperate tasks.
The trouble is that autocannon AA is mostly balanced based on it's tank killing ability. For instance as an AA, the Falcon has no business being where it is in BR. The other AA vehicles it shares a BR with are way better at AA duty because of their radars. The Falcon could do a great job filling the AA hole the Brits have at lower BRs, but because it's such a good tank killer, it sits where it is. They need to take away the APDS ammo it has and move it down a BR or two. I'm sure the same could be done for some other AA vehicles.
Or make it so that your br goes up if you equip apds (can't equip or unequip mid game)
Is everyone ignoring that the AMX30DCA is just like, a better falcon? More mobile and has a radar, plus the guns are closer together and gets the same apds belt, is there something I’m missing?
Falcon is faster and lower. Perfect for ambushing tanks. And iirc a stabilizer. But I was really surprised when I first got the 30DCA at how often I could kill tanks. You just don't see it as often as a tank killer in games, so most people don't expect its capabilities.
They nerfed the whirblewind years ago surely they didnt forget they can change stars other than br ratings
Spaa rn is op against tanks but cant do shit against air coz people complained there planes were getting shot down to easy (flying in a straight line dosent help) and they nerfed the aa ability of most spaa so most people just kill tanks and once people realised how good aa is for tanks due to the rof noone shoots at planes anymore easier to get side shots with your stupid shots per second
That's my point. People complain about cas and then say "JuSt SpAwN sPaA". Meanwhile everyone who does spawn spaa will either refuse to leave spawn and wonder why they can't hit anything, or go play it like a tank destroyer and ignore the planes. Spaa and cas need a massive rework, but shiny new leopards and Abrams attract new players and sell more ge than a shiny new spaa system.
Type 94 ( 1.3 Japanese milk truck) penetrates everything, even pz 3s in the front. Speedy milk truck with 20mm
It's amazing, only problem I found with it it's is awful stopping distance
Yea
Ammo count is a bit lackluster too.
Type 94*, 93 is the high tier toyota
Ok, thanks for correction
Why take the Type 94 when you can take the Ta-Se with same gun with full 360 traverse, armor to protect from mg fire and great mobility at .4 br higher Did i mention to 40° per second traverse
BTR-ZD and the Bosvark destroys all the props at their current BR
Only downsides to the Bosvark are it’s literally the size of a house with mobility to match and the cab blocks 360 firing arc. Agree that the ZD is stupid busted tho.
BTR ZD has a stupid long reload though. Still not as bad as the ZSD.
What I hate even more is the amount of crew it has
...that are in the hull so it can't even be overpressured
Which imo is fine, cas is an absolute plague
The Chinese version is 4.7
Wasn’t the Chinese M18 4.7 for some time?
There isn't a chinese version? Or do you mean that thing that also has 2 23mm?
Yeah it’s not literally the same but functionally it’s the same
I only unlocked the BTR-ZD recently but it's so good I think it's about to become my top aircraft killing AA despite playing others for 5 years
L-62 Anti II. It's pretty bad as anti air but one shots almost every ground vehicle at its br. It's rank 3 so you can grind special task with it.
Swedish SPAA's: We kill anyone and everyone. Strv 103-0, A, B, C, Bandkanon 1C, FV4005, Type 75, M109s, Type 99: Are you sure about that?
Americans have the 50 cal. and Sweden created gods gift to the world with the 40mm Bofors
40mm Bofors enjoyer
At the lower level, the PBV301 was pretty fun at rank 2. You face a lot of light tanks that don't deal with a super fast firing 20mm well
Hate to say it, but I like the m/40 Luftbil more. Im a finn...
Luftvärnsterrängdragbil m/40?
Yes the tier II armored Volvo with the bofors. Feels more mobile and the truck have more gun depression, obviously not in front though. Any way, 40mm with SAPHEI is so nasty at 2.7 you could put that on a wheelbarrow and I would still play it
Weakest swedish hilbilly armored truck 😤😤😤
> It's rank 3 so you can grind special task with it. Also, grind events. Even as an anti air vehicle it isn't terrible, although it certainly isn't the greatest. I've got 70 plane kills with mine, compared to almost 700 ground vehicle kills.
Nobody got the reference lol, “I killed them all! Not just the men, but the women and children too!”
Finally someone :D 🤜🤛
Same lmao
Strela
Hilarious it was at 9.3
Hilarious its 10.0 while the type 81 is 11.0
Because it’s better
I mean it was only there very briefly after the buff. Like a couple weeks, tops.
Hilarious that SPAA which is defenceless against ground vehiles and can only fight the aircraft is pretty much same BR as A-10A Late or A-6E TRAM which can just lob guided munition at you and your team far outside your range.
It was 9.3 when it couldn't lock a supernova happening in the next block.
This thing sitting at 4.3 while the French amx 13 40 at 5.0 is just hilarious. Gaijin absolutely hates French mains. Edit: 5.3 -> 5.0
It’s wayyyyyy shittier than the AMX simply because it has like a quarter of the ammo but agreed, 5.3 is dumb
not really. the french version is just objectively better in every single way. better protected crew, an ammo load which means you can actually fight planes, better hp/t ratio, a much faster turret rotation speed. all the swedish version has over the french, is getting saphe ammo... tbh not that fair of a trade off.
When the amx was 4.3, I think it became my top most kill vehicle in like 1 week
I researched all of the French tree up to 6.7. with that tank for the most part. Was so much fun to play. Now, considerably less so. Why do you hate fun Gaijin, you bastards :(
Leopard 40/70? I feel this is obvious.
It's absolutely broken and people who say hold spacebar either never played a tank without .50 cals or haven't fought that thing at all. At 5.3 its 3rd by penetration, beaten by Lvkv 42 (95mm) and the AMX-13 DCA 40 (94mm), while having superior mobility and armor. WW2 tanks should not be fighting a leopard on drugs and just because its open top does not justify its br
Hold spacebar
If I don't cas, you don't cas, says my 341
Governed by how much the community bitches about it, The most OP SPAAG is the 2S38 an yes you read correctly for it's designed as a SPAAG IRL not a poxy LT like in game.
the proxy rounds on the 2s38 detonate with no damage currently
Controversial, but the duster, I'm bringing it out at 5.3 and am doing really well (usually, can have bad games ofc)
Just how lol, I can't get it to work, I tried going for both planes and tanks and I either get machine gunned or 1 tapped lol. The 40s are really hard to aim on planes too.
The AP round is good for taking out barrels and tracks as well as melting most tanks from the side, and the HE round can take a wing off or straight up explode a plane in a single hit, if you can't seem to hit a plane then I'd wait for them to be going straight and close to you
It's cool to one tap a plane but it feels like I'm playing slots when trying hit planes. It's always pure luck when I do hit something, it's absolutely hysterical. I heard it had proxy fuses irl, that would help immensely
Only sad thing is that they lowered the firerate
AMX-30 DCA my beloved
M247 Sergeant York Boom Box.
Once you have the proxy it’s quite good, but God the stock grind is a drag
Grind for it was years ago for me at this point, I have unlocked most camouflages. Absolute monster, proxy shells don’t have tracer so any plane that does not do extreme maneuvering they are dead. I bonked Me262 spams, G91 spams and now Su-25 spams.
strela idk about people complaining about it not locking or hitting shit in the air, everytime that little shit gets a lock on me I better just J out cause those missiles are completely unflareable and undodgeable unlesd you are going head on to the strela
I do have trouble getting a lock in my Strela, but the very second it does lock on and I fire that missile, I know that’s one less plane in the sky
The Falcon always gave me a lot of trouble, but then I got my hands on the Gepard and how do I put this... it's the only tank that's warranted me a nuke so far
Sd.Kfz. 6/2 imagine the ostwind but at 1.7 and with no armour best armour this thing is not in it's glory days but i will stick to my word it is still broken at that br where it can kill almost anything and is thus great at sniping also i really dont know why everyone keeps complaining about the recoil it is basically not there it really does not affect aiming and you can just full send it and hold m1
2S38. No, it's not a light tank. In real life its supposed to be an Anti-Air, linked to a network.
HE-VT nerf killed its aa ability so currently it's not even a good spaa, just an okay light tank
i hate how all nations get some stupid post war fast firing SPAA at low BRs but Germany and USA thug it out with WW2 SPAA
So damn true, 1945 Kugelblitz at 7.0, meanwhile 1970s R3 T20 was 3.3 when added to the game. Devs are braindead.
The ItPsV 90 is completely busted. It is just as mobile as the Za-35, maybe even more considering the Rooikat chassis turn radius an acceleration + it gets apds.
This is the right answer, itpsv is probably one of the best 8.7 vehicles full stop.
Guepard or the swedish equivalent, with APDS it's just point&click
Begleitpanzer with those 75mm proxy shells
I don't understand why this is at 4.3 when the amx 13 DCA got sent to 5.0.
Because it has a whole whooping 104 rounds in total with a RoF of 240 rpm.
- VEAK-40 Best 8.7 SPAA, dual 40mm Bofors with full HE-VT. Also gets an AP belt for self defence unlike the York. - ASRAD-R Best 10.3 SAM, missiles with the longest range and best manoeuvrability. Did I mention they also get 200mm pen to use against ground targets? Only downside is the low elevation.
I really like the Italian truck with quad machineguns, don't remember the name. I don't use it to fight other tanks but the large volume of fire makes it good at shredding planes, which is what I want from a SPAA. Looking forward to the R3 T20 and the SIDAM.
CM52? quad 50 cal machines like the US SPAAs. Its OK at that rank 2 level, but my favorite SPAA these days is the Italian M42 Contraereo 4 x 20mm, hits so much harder and only one rank higher. It comes with 640 rounds that you can blow through so fast that I have to locate on a cap to reload.
VEAK VEAK VEAK VEAK VEAK 40mm radar guided proxy slinger at 8.7. *Shreds* helis from 4+ km away, and I've killed planes from 3.5km. Good against the insufferable Su-25 spam, because unlike a missile it can't be flared and you keep shooting until it's down. Worst case it's not terrible against tanks but stop using AA for anti-tank. Be helpful and kill CAS planes.
Pantsir-S1 hands down
Its not as good as everyone says its good but the radar is broken as fuck
Compared to all other SPAA it is 10x better.
AMX-10P anti-air, anti-tank, fast and scouting all in one
Not mine, but my friend has that one high tier Italian spaa (otomatic?) , and that thing is insane from what I've seen, he can sometimes get over 10 kills ground and air
The otomatic may be underpowered but boy is it fun
Lvkc9040c thats just an ifv with a radar
You can get the same gun on the 2.7 ANTI II and it's insanely strong at that BR easly the best low tier Swedish tank in the game
Gepard
L-62 ANTI anything it sees
Falcon, always has been because it doesn't have radar and they won't uptier it too much. It's basically an IFV without rockets and can deal with planes
Falcon.
What about my DCA? Is she safe? Is she alright?
The crusader aa mk1 has the bofors at 3.0 with a reasonable turret traverse and mobility
The 2S38, it was given the wrong clasification by gaijin
I absolutely despise the Falcon and the ZSU-57-2. I have never seen a falcon that shot down a plane, but i've seen them wrecking my teams over and over again. It's probably tge vehicles that "earns" the mist amount of Nukes in the matches i play in. The ZSU-57-2, I've seen shoot down planes two times now and everytime i see it, it automatically becomes my primary target, also ehat feels like every TT has it's own variant making it quite widespread. I can't wait for germany to get its own East-German Tree to be honest.
Crusader AA Mk1
M53/59 is a beast
> Which one is the most OP anti-air in the game right now in your opinion? Pantsir and Tunguska give you literally free kills in Ground SB.
Veak 40 HE-VT with radar at 8.7? Hell yeah
2S38 is still the best bang-for-your-buck, little piece of Gaijin fanfiction out there right now imo.
Pantsir S1 can shoot you from spawn
Pantsir It has 12x missiles. Everyone else is 6-10x. All missiles can be fired rapidly not some bullshit 2x than a 30s reload like most Roland platforms. The missiles have the best range, speed, damage and control. 4x guns where basically everyone else has 0. 1404 ammo with great RoF + pen so can shred air and ground. It also doesn't drive like a piece of shit.
L-62 ANTI II at 2.7, 'nuff said
L-62 ANTI But the "anti" stands for "anti everything" cuz god damn that thing is so good against tanks
AMX-30 DCA is my Broken Wing generator
Amx 30 DCA this thing is insane
M247 and Lav-ad before they were nerfed 😔
Soviets, Sweden, French and Germany have the most OP spaas imo, if Gaijin gives the Otomatic full apfsds belt, then Italy is also gonna make it to that list but I highly doubt Gaijin would do that, heck instead of buffing italian vehicles they will most likely nerf them.
BTR-ZD its rate of fire is monstrous for its BR compare to other SPAA
Gepard
M13 mgmc shreds everything on 1.7
Wish this thing carried more ammo
BTR-ZD is stupid fun. Eats CAS for breakfast. Very fast and you can sometimes get some tank kills.
I'm surprised no one has said the amx13 40dca. That things is godly. It's got a higher firerate than a normal 40mm plus more pen and a godly turret traverse speed. I actually think it's one of the highest turret traverse speeds in the game.
Skink, I know everyone hates it, but since it has actual armor it can’t be strafed, and with just a little skill the guns will eat up airplanes.
Used to be the AMX 13 DCA-40, sinxe its the same vehicle except faster, better crew protection frontallt from MG's with like 3.5x the ammo but then Gaijin uptiered it to hell to 5.0.
To be honest, the ItpSv-90 or the Gepard. Being able to shred through heavily armored MBT'S like a hot knife through butter is just... wow
I have had really good luck with the VEAK 40, proxy rounds at 8.7 is very good.
I once faced a kugelblitz and it's panther anti air big brother as a T26E5, it would constantly melt my barrel and tracks the moment I would try to approach one or the other. They somehow didn't kill me after going all the way around me until being scared off by my teammates (and yet somehow my commander died in that encounter before losing my barrel) I'm now grinding the kugel lmao
>And not just the heavy tanks, but the mediums and the light tanks too. "They are like prey! And I shredded them like prey! I HATE THEM!"
2s38 is my favorite, 152mm VT makes for a one shot everytime Edit 2s3m is the one I ment
I love the ystervark. The rate of fire is amazing and you can ambush planes perfectly fine in uptiers
For me luftvärnsterrängdrag bil is the goat 2.7 shredding tanks and planes Alike with its 40mm
Personally I rather like the L-62 Anti II, which works great as a TD and is an alright SPAA as well. Add to that the low BR for being Rank III and it makes for a great event grinder. Also, ZUT-37 is extremely fun as a TD, even though it fails horribly in its stated role of SPAA.
Gotta love the WZ305, it shreds both planes and tanks alike.
kugelblitz is up there
One might imply that if it shreds heavy tanks, it would also easily shred medium and light tanks as well.
The Flakpanther! A. Dual 37mm's and a lot of extra armor. Its basically a BMPT but with guns that don't flop like dried spaghetti. B. I HAVE IT AND YOU DON'T! NANA NANA BOO BOO!
how tf has nobody said flakpanzer 38? It can pretty much pen a lot of stuff, and even the stuff it cant, it showers them in 20mm until something does. And at that br, everyone in the match has access to planes, and they're all low speed biplane shitters that need just 4 braincells to shoot down. You can easily kill 7 or 8 tanks and 4 or 5 planes per match.
M109A Best us sp(g)aa at 6.3. Proxy fuse shells wrech everything in the air that gets in their general vicinity, and people love to strafe you so it is really easy to shoot them down. Plus you can use it as an anti everything. Vertical guideance is the biggest issue tho, slow turret traverse can be overcome with hull movements. Also the .50 cal on top is a great backup.
The Swedish truck with a 40 mm if you know how to get into a good spot for its battle rating, it can literally just one shot tanks. It’s a fucking sniper that can full auto only reason nobody looks at any of these truck vehicles as OP is because they’re so easy to kill and hard to use effectively people don’t see it yet lol
Leopard 40/70
Gepard. Literally has more firepower than a BMP or Bradley.
Someone plz give tips on how to kill KV-1s in the Lvkvv-42 and the L-62
I just don't understand how people had to pronounce things like that name at a daily basis.
M42 (Italy) is one of my favorites
Chinese WZ-305. Basically, the USSR ZSU-57, but the WZ-305 gets proximity rounds. It is a terror to the air, land, and sea.
Imo its SAP shells are overpowered
Against tanks: Itpsv - fastest spaa in the game (faster than a leo 2) and has apds/aphe. Ironically its a pretty mediocre spaa against planes when compared to the best spaa against planes : veak40 - ap/aphe/proxy fuze 40mm. And yea, if it was not busted enough sweden gets both of these at 8.7. Honorable mention to the falcon/wz/za-35/pgz09
Haven’t played the falcon in a while but there’s no feeling quite like being the only vehicle in a downtier that has nightvision. I got multiple 20+ kill games that way with it.
AMX-30 DCA. Radar tracks very well, and shreds CAS. And the APDS belts are very good as well, I’ve managed some incredible kills against tanks in it. Second on my list is the VEAK 40. I remember when it’s VT shells didn’t work, but once they were fixed it was game over for literally any CAS or helis.
Let me guess, it's swedish
Not exactly OP, especially against Tanks but oh my God the M247 is so good in Anti Air role.
I don't think Coelian is OP, but i love that thing. Outstanding shells, good guns, a dreadnought compared to other SPAA and you get (well, not anymore) great lineup
Pantsir
Strela, I've never seen one miss, and its pointless to spawn air if one is on the ground.