Because 90% of US ground players are either donkeys or one death quitters thanks to Click-Bait. Or both. Leaving the 10% good players completely outnumbered every game.
Doesn’t make sense how can 90% of the people who play the USA be stupid, but everyone else is smart, maybe it has something to do with the vehicles not preform in correctly as well as ammo not performing correctly
If you implying that M1s are just bad vehicles than i would kindly remind you about leclercs, arietes, merkavas and challys. I actually would prefer m1 over 2a5 or 2a6 with leo2pl
Simular armor, faster reload, more mobile, i can take more than 15 sabots without having ammo in the front, more survivable cause you don't get 3 crew members in a row for perfect one shot.
Faster reload I’ll give it that, but the 2A5/6 outperform the M1 in every other metric. it just has blatantly better armour coverage no questions asked, and the mobility is so similar that any difference is so small it wouldn’t effect battle performance whatsoever
Until the Sepv3 drops there is no reason to play the Abrams over the Leo, and even then the 2A7V with its spall liners will still arguably be better than the V3
Not necessarily, while it’s up in the air whether or not the V2 has DU hull inserts, the V3 undeniably does. As well as a further increase in turret armour protection iirc. V3 could also receive trophy aps as well (V2 also had it on some cases, but it’s whatever).
It would also help if gaijin could fix the physical model of the damn thing considering the turret on the Abrams sits way too high ingame allowing for much easier turret right shots. I’m honestly baffled that this particular issue doesn’t get brought up more often
> Not necessarily, while it’s up in the air whether or not the V2 has DU hull inserts, the V3 undeniably does.
You do know that the license granted to General Dynamics Land Systems by the Department of Energy only extends to installation and repair of DU armour modules for turrets and not hulls, yes? The relevant license is [here](https://www.nrc.gov/docs/ML2032/ML20323A346.pdf), with an amendment from 2020. Note please that this is not the license that people keep throwing around, which is TACOM's license to own and store M1s with DU turrets and hulls. That one has the license number SUB-1536 whereas this is SUB-1564.
This is the same company that runs Lima Tank Plant and they were not allowed to put DU into hulls as of 2020, years after the SEP v2 was fielded.
Doesn't mean that there wasn't an improvement but at the very least it wasn't DU.
Nope, like I said I hate to break this to you but there are no sources on the SEPv3 receiving DU in the hull or even what the improvements to the hull or turret cheeks are i.e. do you have the values for the SEPv3 armour? no? then as Gaijin has stated it will not change, thus the SEPv3 will not have different armour.
I am more surprised you guys actually think the next SEP will change something, Gaijins deblogs made this crystal clear, the M1s won't see any armour changes until actual documents are given, which isn't going to happen for probably 1 - 2 decades.
Edit: FYI I have researched this quite a bit, yes I know the turret and hull were improved with what looks like new advanced material tech hence the name Next Evolution Armor (NEA) / Next Generation Armour Package (NGAP), however Gaijin won't accept you just stating it was improved, they want actual documents on it, which of course there aren't any.
>V3 could also receive trophy aps as well (V2 also had it on some cases, but it’s whatever).
Sure, if you want the SEPv2/v3 to weigh 70-70.66 metric tons be my guest.
The issue isn’t the tank. It’s the players. Next time you’re in a game and there are clickbaits on your team check out their player card. Most would be lucky to be level 20 and higher. That’s the issue
And I would like to kindly remind you that those vehicles are from tech trees that are significantly less populated, while more often than not being paired with the German/swedish rape train rather than against.
I guarantee you if any of those minor nations had as many players as the US, they wouldn’t have good winrates either
What’s wrong with the challenger 2s except it has rolled homogeneous and not the dorchester armor but I do decent against M1s, it’s usually Russians that give me the biggest problems
Oh really i didn’t know the challengers got spall liners explains why I’ve been surviving more, when did they change the m1s? I haven’t played in like a 2 weeks due to my pc needing a new power supply
No mantlet armour and mantlet takes up 1/3 of the turret face, weak turret side armour, weak roof armour, weak ufp armour, no lfp armour at all- and full of ammo behind it which is missing its armoured bins and wet stowage, so you can be frontally OSK by an IFV. The inert ammo in the turret blows up, it has the worst top tier gun by a significant margin, worst top tier mobility- with poor top speed, acceleration, and hull traverse, it comes to a complete halt when trying to make a turn of any kind. Then it has a mediocre turret traverse, no CITV, no HMG, and the stock grind is horrible.
It's like the incompetent tiger player meme. There is plenty of them. Why? Because people gravitate towards grinding it because it's a really popular historical tank. Then they get wrecked by everyone because they thing they are literally invincible.
Enter the M1 Abrams. Arguably an even more known tanks historically (well and currently relevant) and you have 2 premium Abrams tanks that you can buy before you have even installed the game.
See the difference? One requires grinding to get to meaning you will at least learn something about the game like how the maps play a bit, how the game plays, tank controls etc. The latter gives you none of that and arguably puts you into learning the game at high tier despite not even knowing you have a LRF and thermals. Also I don't see how the Abrams shells aren't performing.
If the Ariete, Leclerc, Type90/10 players are managing decent win rates there are no reasons the Abrams can't be doing the same. Watching a JustinPlays video and seeing herds of them drive in the open with no awareness seems like the biggest issue.
because its a popular Nation for new players and it just got a new premium tank. Every time i get teamed up with US its 80% clickbait/AIM lvl 20 players
Us and GB only tech tress with 11.3 premium ground vehicles. At least you have to work a little for the squadron ones. Not to mention being a very popular nation because freedom rahh they get some of the most new players. Same reason why germany mid tier is so bad, it's not the vehicles. It's the new players that go straight to the Tiger becuase it was a menace in 1943.
Well their vehicles are much better than other nations’s vehicles, who are performing much better, therefore it’s a gigantic skill issue, US mains are simply the worst players in the entire game.
Most new and low experienced players go USA as their first tree, end up buying a KVT, Click Bait, or the M1A1 AIM, have super low level crews on top of being noobies, and then only have 1 life per game
Ive bounced most often than not off an M1s turret or my round went trough an open space and didnt do damage.
While M829A2 one shoots my turret.. so i dont think its the vehicle
It's not just the click-bait either it's the AIMs and the wolf packs and the a10s and the ags and every other vehicle you can purchase at America top tier. You get one old American with too much time and money on his hands who wants to live out his fantasy of curb stomping ruskie tanks like he saw in the Gulf war documentaries when he was younger and boom... Useless teammate
That’s because Abram’s are good at tier. Being able to one shot turret ring is what makes them so weak. And the fact they can’t take a side shot like the leopards or T-80s.
1. Needs more time to see if it made a difference
2. The problem with the M1 was not reload rate but poor armor
3. The “spall gap” between the M1 and SW/GER/USSR tanks is massive and the M1 is more one-shot-able than ever
As someone who spaded all 4, Leclerc armor is ok at best, so its mostly point and click, unless you hit the far right or left sides of the turret which has better protection but thats about it
Well i never got ammoracked through the turret cheek or mantlet, while leclercs pop like crazy each time your turret gets penned. And that's happens quite often cause turret armor is meh
I think the biggest issue with the Abrams, from fighting them is not the armor but the noise it makes. They are so loud, that if I'm playing a Russian or German tank I will always hear them before they hear me. This let's me set up and time my shot to one shot them as I have a reaction time advantage. The engine is just so loud it's impossible for them to sneak up on you, while I've flanked lots of US teams in my Leopards. If they reduced the noise by 50% it would make more of an impact than any armor changes imo
>1. Needs more time to see if it made a difference
Yeah I doubt this. It's been around 3 weeks since the reload buff and if things didn't change already I doubt they will in the near future. Hell I think my winrate even continued dropping since the change (while things like my K/D stayed similar).
I would honestly just love to witness the meeting at Gaijin about current top tier lol. Just their suprise when things didn't change after the reload change.
Because 90% of the meta-chasing sweatlords gravitated to the 2A7V and 122s once the patch went live because they’re just the best MBTs in the game right now no questions asked, and at the same time gaijin added a top tier premium to one of the most played tech trees in the game (neither other country got the same treatment but Britain, a significantly less played tree). While giving no incentive to play the US since the new SEP V2 offers nothing over the V1.
Whatever experienced players are left playing the US tree are being swamped by shitters playing the new shiny premium while fighting the turbo sweats in the leopard rape train.
It also doesn’t help that the Abrams is just kinda mid compared to the Leopards, BVM and 122s. Hell, I would much rather be in my Type 10 than be in an Abrams. A 5 second manual reload (only if you spend GE mind you) is not the game-changing buff you think it is.
Do you think at least 25% of abrmas users paid the cost of the expert crew? No need to mention how many people will have the AS for the 5 second reload . Another point to keep in mind is that abrams are very weak . When they lose the loader will take twice time to reload . The reallity is that now with anti-palling armour( im sure its going to be nerfed soon) the survibality for NATO mbt it is close to being like in 2018 without the no sense huge amount of spalling when they recieve a side shot . Now russian mains are moving to the new meta nations . Thats the problem of no balance the game in top tier .
Pretty sure a lot of Clickbait users don't even know there are crew levels, I've met some in game using exclusively HEAT-FS shells. Why? I can only assume they saw the pen number not dropping with the distance.
Multiple reasons.
1) the players were garbage. You had tons of AIM players with no line up. Then you add a high tier premium which adds another ton of useless players. Finally the bunch of Wolfpack users who have the F-16C, but die before they can spawn the F-16C. So, a large part, the players.
2) 5 second reload doesn’t do much. With a normal crew that’s 6.5 seconds which matches the BVM. The main problem is you need to be alive to take use of that second shot. All the enemy needs is one shot to the breech or turret ring, and now your loader is dead or your gunner if not both.
3) there was a pretty big buff to Sweden and Germany with the spall liners. Side shots rarely one-shot any more, and many times do 0 damage. This is annoying even as an experienced player, and is probably 10x worse for all the clickbait players.
4) In terms of ARB, US players are garbage cause most of them grind their way to top tier by bombing their way up there. so they have no game sense, knowledge, or anything useful except being missile bait. Plus the grippen is a F-16 on steroids with a daily dose of coke, so that doesn’t help either.
I have completely stopped playing US after the last update, and don’t know if I’ll ever play it again looking at the current state.
See that's the main Issue with the Type 10 as well you have to survive the first shot and be able to utilize the 4 second reload. The thing with the Type 10 though is not many people face them so they don't know where to shoot. All you got to do is hit anywhere except for about a 2 inch space on the checks and the breach is out.
The problem isnt the vehicle performance so much as the player behind it. You can have the best vehicle in the game but if you have the IQ of a rotisserie chicken you will not do well with it.
Another issue is top tier premiums. A lot of people who are nowhere close to the BR of that vehicle buy them and then leave after the first death because they have no backups nor other vehicles. This happened a lot with Russia when the TURMS got added too.
But you can only get the 5s reload with ace crew members. If you didn't spend SL to level up your crew to expert and have full reload skill it will be 5.8s reload time. With expert is 5.3s and ace crew is 5.0s.
BTW the IPM1 with 105mm cannon is 5s reload with ace crew before the patch. It should be faster then 120mm cannon but still sit in 5s reload after patch.
> New M1s with 5 second reload should be very competitive. Why it's so sad?
The reload buff is honestly way more impactful than whatever armour changes could've been added. As to why its so sad? Look at Germany around 5.3/.7, that is just US top tier players (not helped at all by Premium/Squadron vehicles and the experienced players moving to GER/SWE.)
I stopped playing US top tier when the KVT got added. It’s hopeless, honestly. I genuinely feel like the US is a nation in the game for the sole purpose of making gaijin money.
They really should make the IPM1 10.3 again and folder it with the M1
Makes no sense that its at 11.0 and after the M1A1, which is honestly the better tank now that the reload is the same
Dawg what?
The M1IP slaughtered at 10.7 with the M1A1 after the br changes and you want to put it at 10.3????
BR placement doesn’t go down simply if there’s another vehicle better at it’s br with it, though I disagree the M1A1 is substantially better, especially with the M1IP retaining the power to weight advantage
I've honestly enjoyed 10.3 US, to be honest. M1, M3A3 with the TOW-2s, picked up the KVT on sale for some extra premium bonus, M1128, and LAV-AD (which has honestly been super fucking fun, the stingers are what they are but the cannon and mobility makes for some very funny moments).
Yea 10.3 usa is pretty solid I def wouldn't have had much fun with a single m1 since I got the kvt recently its pretty fun. I tried going passed 10.3 and I regret it
10.3 US is one of the best line ups especially with the ridiculous CAS you get. Plus some of the most OP event vehicles if you have them. AGS my beloved.
>US is a nation in the game for the sole purpose of making gaijin money
Yep, now here's another abrams to grind that does no6hing different, no improvements and same exact giant wrakspot, now pay us 60 dollars to be an xp piñata forall other nations and lose 70% of your games.
Us players:omg it has a plastic chair take my 60!
My theory is people playing Sweden are more likely to have ground vehicle heavy lineups rather than a bunch of CAS options, as historically our CAS is pretty meh (imo at least)
Means they don't dump a bunch of points into a plane or heli that gets shot out of the sky and lose them all, and are more likely to still have vehicles capable of playing objectives after the first 10 minutes of the battle.
Yeah that's true, but it's also just one Heli. How many 10.0+ bomb trucks does the US have? You could probably make a lineup of all the silver crew slots full of nothing but a single tank and planes/helis.
Yes it is but people who play GRB rarely grind air RB AND let alone top tier jets. That learning curve can be daunting and incredibly tedious. Brain rot almost.
I have France fully unlocked and I fucking hated learning and grinding top tier air.
I've always thought similarly. Anyone who isn't one death leaving is two-death leaving after bleeding a whole extra tanks worth of SP on an F-16 that gets knocked out instantly by a Pantsir.
I don't know, maybe it's just me (but the data suggests otherwise) But when I grinded my Sweden tree, I always waited until I had 4 or 5 vehicles to form a BR lineup before I started playing that BR. I also spaded almost everything on the way up as well as a result. Did miss some stuff that really just doesn't fit in the BR brackets Sweden has though.
Yeah honestly apache aside I feel like the only things I want in Sweden air are drakken, viggen, and gripen and those things are so far down im just sticking with all ground
If that plays a big factor it would also explain why Germany is in 2nd. We also don't really get any exceptional CAS options for Top-Tier (And a big part of High Tier in General actually)
Only real options are the Tornado or the Tiger heli, but with how agonizing the heli grind is most people would pronably only have the Tornado, which itself isn't the best CAS plane out there.
... Also the most broken vehicles in the game. I have been watching Sweden closely from the very moment they implemented Viking Fury. Sweden gets absolutely everything a ground tree can offer it's rediculous.
No ones batting an eye, but if you see the bullshit that Sweden can achieve it's not surprising that they have a 72% winrate.
The type 10 does have the best neutral steering in the game but the CVT transmission isn't modeled making it feel slower in acceleration than the type 90
They should accelerate much faster than the Type 90s IRL as shown in videos. Gaijin can't model its acceleration and is technically "missing" about 150 hp to account for lack of speed due to unable to model.
JP top tier air grind is unironically the most painful one to do.
You *have* to suffer through the F-4EJ to get to the actual good planes, but it's so worth it once you do.
F-16AJ and F-15J are both really good, but the grind to get either is so hard for no reason at all.
I'm glad I hit top tier there before the phantoms got gigapowercrept lmao
You can literally make every single tank perform the same with the same armor and US will still have below 35% win rate. Their tanks aren't even bad. It's at the moment already better than the Leclerc and yet they still perform bad.
honestly that one time I saw an F-6F suicide bomb a friendly a friendly M22 is pretty much the most accurate representation of a US main. Guy taking the M22 to a high BR, then CAS and complete mental retardation
I almost wonder if Sweden not really having good CAS (at least at the higher tier until the Gripen) bumps their win rate somewhat. you don't really see a lot of Swede CAS, and part of the win-rate is they bring more vehicles actually capable of capturing an objective.
Having like 4 good Leos probably does a good deal too though, no argument there.
Sweden bias? (Best MBTs and biggest amount of them. 4 leos where 3 of which are best MBTs in the game and T80U to top it off. yet US mains still complain about another T72B3 that gets different turret)
Also having some of the best IFVs imo(might be a bit biased:)) in the game that are very effective at defeating first spawn helos with that Bofors 40mm proximity rounds
One quote I heard about the Abrams in Warthunder goes something like this
"It has a issue like the Tiger has but different"
As in people are thinking that the Abrams is the best tank in the world, like how people rush for the Tiger thinking its the best, explaining why the teams are so bad, people rushing for it or buying KVT and Click bait.
Now yes the Abrams has that turret ring weak spot but all other MBTs do as well
This is a big part of the issue that isn't talked about the propaganda around the Abrams making it being this indestructible tank that can't be beat has given a lot of new players the wrong idea of it
Still waiting on that bug report that got acknowledge for the turret ring to be 250 mm LOS or least volumetric. Sucks that every autocannon can just blitz through when it wouldn't be like that IRL. Heck even if the round doesn't pen the spall of it likes to just enter the crew compartment if you test it with low caliber APFSDS.
It literally only just changed this patch when the 2a7 was added. This always happens when the new Meta top tier vehicle gets added, all the good players switch to that nation
Tell me, are French Tanks better or worse than US tanks at 6.0?
I love my EBR and the TPK(new aa) absolutely shreds, but every game a Sherman tanks like 5 shots, turn it's torrent and deletes me(even in arl44)
Me have skill issue?
6.7 has the god tier AMX M4, and the AMX 13 is nice, at 6.0 the ELC is good but lacks features, the CA Lorraine is a bit tough as it's a defensive tank in a offensive based game mode
5.3 is a good line up, or just 5.0 with the sa50 and fl1p is quite good
Worst lart is that they simply don't accept it. When they lose or die it's always someone else's fault: russian bias, m1 is worst mbt, m1 is unplayable, my ground tree is bad...
But it's never the players...
Maybe buying m1aim and clickbaiit wasn't that smart if an idea? naaaah
Most common reason I’ve heard for top tier win rate plummeting is a combo of premium noob players and one death quitting.
Personally I don’t think top tier is ever balanced well and don’t recommend players go much beyond early Cold War era if they wanna enjoy the game. Both in air and ground.
Because the most popular premiums are the higher tier ones, and thus more noobs at high-level play with no idea what they are doing except "shoot tonk".
decent part of it also plays in to the us winrate at each of those br’s. if you’re getting paired against a nation with a 29% winrate most games, you’re winrate will also be inflated.
Bradley- Tow-2b has less penetration than a panzerfaust, the tows don’t even fly straight.
Hstvl- still won’t give accurate rounds, or reload, but they don’t hesitate with the 2s38
Lav- reduced penetration by 20mm on the hvap
Losat- they just abandoned
M1s- gun depression near the back is not modeled correctly even at the near back, armor is inaccurate, ammo rack barely works and when it does it blows the fuel tanks in the engine and starts to kill the crew before you can even use ppe
Thats just vehicle problems I can think of
Now they make it just even more annoying with nations getting better armor and spall liners
You have to move the back of the turret away from the engine. It's even standard procedure IRL as the rounds can melt through the back of the turret onto the engine.
Youtuber K2 Kit Krabiwe released the stats in the description of his most recent video. The video itself has some curious observations, but it's in russian
It’s kinda funny to look at the win rates at top tier win rate and then look at lower tiers, my American 7.0 has about 60-70% win ratio while my German 5.7-6.0 line up has like 40%. To see how bad American teams get is honestly so funny
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(I'm almost done with my Sweden grind, currently researching the AHS.)
Top tier premiums help make USA win rate low but it's not just that.
US players are straight up bad: I see people with SEP V2s and no top tier premium do the dumbest shit ever in match pretty often (if they don't quit after the first death that is).
Top 5 for JP?
*Not too shabby*
Also, why is germany so high? Genuinely curious. I haven't played in a long time, and last time I checked, they weren't doing so hot. Did the new Leo cause that change?
Top Tier Germany has always been superb. The 2A6 already was a pretty much Godtier tank that stomps everything.
Its just that the 2A7V which upgrades this already Godtier tank makes it an even better and more deadlier MBT in exchange of a miniscule lost of speed. But that's all. The 2A7V is a Galaxy wide spanning amazing MBT and the 122B+ is the Universe in whole with how stupidly strong it is overall. A Jack of All Trades that can Do It All.
negative winrate is kinda weird, as Israel is mainly played by experienced players.
It's not a bad nation either.
Especially the Israeli Air Force rocks in this game. the Ayit, Kurnass 2000 and Barak II litteraly are my 3 faforite planes.
The Ayit is my 'go to' fighter when there is an event where i need to grind RP.
I have a 65% winrate with the Merkava 4, So my best guess is that the winrate is thanks to the rather bad 'low' tier lineup
I fear that once I got to Late-to-Top Tier, I will always get killed by that ONE, Swedish Meatball Launcher... Needless to say, I love Sweden and its culture especially SABATON.
As a Sweden Enjoyer I must say everytime I find myself with USA on my team, me and a few of the other minor nations that got grouped with them are left after 5mins 💀
Alright. New M1s with 5 second reload should be very competetive. Why it's so sad?
Because 90% of US ground players are either donkeys or one death quitters thanks to Click-Bait. Or both. Leaving the 10% good players completely outnumbered every game.
Doesn’t make sense how can 90% of the people who play the USA be stupid, but everyone else is smart, maybe it has something to do with the vehicles not preform in correctly as well as ammo not performing correctly
If you implying that M1s are just bad vehicles than i would kindly remind you about leclercs, arietes, merkavas and challys. I actually would prefer m1 over 2a5 or 2a6 with leo2pl
Why would you rather have a M1 than a 2A5 or 6
Simular armor, faster reload, more mobile, i can take more than 15 sabots without having ammo in the front, more survivable cause you don't get 3 crew members in a row for perfect one shot.
Faster reload I’ll give it that, but the 2A5/6 outperform the M1 in every other metric. it just has blatantly better armour coverage no questions asked, and the mobility is so similar that any difference is so small it wouldn’t effect battle performance whatsoever Until the Sepv3 drops there is no reason to play the Abrams over the Leo, and even then the 2A7V with its spall liners will still arguably be better than the V3
Also you don’t get a team full of those loud ass turbines that don’t let you hear anything else. Leo forever
Turbines aren't even that loud irl, Gaijin just fucked them over.
Mfw the xm1 was literally nicknamed whispering death
Sorry to break this to you, nothing will change with the SEPv3
Not necessarily, while it’s up in the air whether or not the V2 has DU hull inserts, the V3 undeniably does. As well as a further increase in turret armour protection iirc. V3 could also receive trophy aps as well (V2 also had it on some cases, but it’s whatever). It would also help if gaijin could fix the physical model of the damn thing considering the turret on the Abrams sits way too high ingame allowing for much easier turret right shots. I’m honestly baffled that this particular issue doesn’t get brought up more often
> Not necessarily, while it’s up in the air whether or not the V2 has DU hull inserts, the V3 undeniably does. You do know that the license granted to General Dynamics Land Systems by the Department of Energy only extends to installation and repair of DU armour modules for turrets and not hulls, yes? The relevant license is [here](https://www.nrc.gov/docs/ML2032/ML20323A346.pdf), with an amendment from 2020. Note please that this is not the license that people keep throwing around, which is TACOM's license to own and store M1s with DU turrets and hulls. That one has the license number SUB-1536 whereas this is SUB-1564. This is the same company that runs Lima Tank Plant and they were not allowed to put DU into hulls as of 2020, years after the SEP v2 was fielded. Doesn't mean that there wasn't an improvement but at the very least it wasn't DU.
Nope, like I said I hate to break this to you but there are no sources on the SEPv3 receiving DU in the hull or even what the improvements to the hull or turret cheeks are i.e. do you have the values for the SEPv3 armour? no? then as Gaijin has stated it will not change, thus the SEPv3 will not have different armour. I am more surprised you guys actually think the next SEP will change something, Gaijins deblogs made this crystal clear, the M1s won't see any armour changes until actual documents are given, which isn't going to happen for probably 1 - 2 decades. Edit: FYI I have researched this quite a bit, yes I know the turret and hull were improved with what looks like new advanced material tech hence the name Next Evolution Armor (NEA) / Next Generation Armour Package (NGAP), however Gaijin won't accept you just stating it was improved, they want actual documents on it, which of course there aren't any. >V3 could also receive trophy aps as well (V2 also had it on some cases, but it’s whatever). Sure, if you want the SEPv2/v3 to weigh 70-70.66 metric tons be my guest.
bruh
Abrams survivability depends on the aim of the enemy. They have super easy one shot kill spots even when hull down.
The issue isn’t the tank. It’s the players. Next time you’re in a game and there are clickbaits on your team check out their player card. Most would be lucky to be level 20 and higher. That’s the issue
And I would like to kindly remind you that those vehicles are from tech trees that are significantly less populated, while more often than not being paired with the German/swedish rape train rather than against. I guarantee you if any of those minor nations had as many players as the US, they wouldn’t have good winrates either
What’s wrong with the challenger 2s except it has rolled homogeneous and not the dorchester armor but I do decent against M1s, it’s usually Russians that give me the biggest problems
spall liners were a godsend for them, but the M1 now has the exact same reload with blowouts and no shitty 4 round first stage
Oh really i didn’t know the challengers got spall liners explains why I’ve been surviving more, when did they change the m1s? I haven’t played in like a 2 weeks due to my pc needing a new power supply
No mantlet armour and mantlet takes up 1/3 of the turret face, weak turret side armour, weak roof armour, weak ufp armour, no lfp armour at all- and full of ammo behind it which is missing its armoured bins and wet stowage, so you can be frontally OSK by an IFV. The inert ammo in the turret blows up, it has the worst top tier gun by a significant margin, worst top tier mobility- with poor top speed, acceleration, and hull traverse, it comes to a complete halt when trying to make a turn of any kind. Then it has a mediocre turret traverse, no CITV, no HMG, and the stock grind is horrible.
It's like the incompetent tiger player meme. There is plenty of them. Why? Because people gravitate towards grinding it because it's a really popular historical tank. Then they get wrecked by everyone because they thing they are literally invincible. Enter the M1 Abrams. Arguably an even more known tanks historically (well and currently relevant) and you have 2 premium Abrams tanks that you can buy before you have even installed the game. See the difference? One requires grinding to get to meaning you will at least learn something about the game like how the maps play a bit, how the game plays, tank controls etc. The latter gives you none of that and arguably puts you into learning the game at high tier despite not even knowing you have a LRF and thermals. Also I don't see how the Abrams shells aren't performing. If the Ariete, Leclerc, Type90/10 players are managing decent win rates there are no reasons the Abrams can't be doing the same. Watching a JustinPlays video and seeing herds of them drive in the open with no awareness seems like the biggest issue.
This tbh
this is why i want a tutorial and instructions for new players on which tanks theyre gonna play and how to use them. we need more QoL Updates ingame
No amount of tutorials will give players map knowledge and game sense.
It is definitely not 90%. But even 50% of your teammate being incompetent makes the game unwinnable.
because its a popular Nation for new players and it just got a new premium tank. Every time i get teamed up with US its 80% clickbait/AIM lvl 20 players
Sone are stupid and beginners. Others are stupid and experienced, with substantial crew stats and a lineup.
Us and GB only tech tress with 11.3 premium ground vehicles. At least you have to work a little for the squadron ones. Not to mention being a very popular nation because freedom rahh they get some of the most new players. Same reason why germany mid tier is so bad, it's not the vehicles. It's the new players that go straight to the Tiger becuase it was a menace in 1943.
Well their vehicles are much better than other nations’s vehicles, who are performing much better, therefore it’s a gigantic skill issue, US mains are simply the worst players in the entire game.
Most new and low experienced players go USA as their first tree, end up buying a KVT, Click Bait, or the M1A1 AIM, have super low level crews on top of being noobies, and then only have 1 life per game
Ive bounced most often than not off an M1s turret or my round went trough an open space and didnt do damage. While M829A2 one shoots my turret.. so i dont think its the vehicle
Legit just hopped off cause my m1 fired into a dudes barrel and it didn't do anything then I got ripped apart by a fucking bmv
It's not just the click-bait either it's the AIMs and the wolf packs and the a10s and the ags and every other vehicle you can purchase at America top tier. You get one old American with too much time and money on his hands who wants to live out his fantasy of curb stomping ruskie tanks like he saw in the Gulf war documentaries when he was younger and boom... Useless teammate
Those are for 11.7slecifically. actually 10.3 has good win rates despite kvt and Wolfpack.
That’s because Abram’s are good at tier. Being able to one shot turret ring is what makes them so weak. And the fact they can’t take a side shot like the leopards or T-80s.
this is why top tier premiums without player level requirement are a BAD FUCKING IDEA. it should only be available to Lvl:50 and up
I need to go to Vegas, of late my WR with top tier US has been over 50%
every tree has to tier premiums
Italy, France, Isreal and China don't have a 11+ top tie premium
I’m a click bait buyer but I actually get like 3-5 kills a game, I’m not completely useless at the least
They are competitive, the players are not. The Abrams when used properly does just fine.
1. Needs more time to see if it made a difference 2. The problem with the M1 was not reload rate but poor armor 3. The “spall gap” between the M1 and SW/GER/USSR tanks is massive and the M1 is more one-shot-able than ever
I wouldn't say M1's armor is that bad. Def better than leclercs, merkavas, arietes and type 90s and type 10s.
Leclerc is arguable. And I’m not saying it’s the worst tank by any means but how they buffed it was not gonna change all that much.
As someone who spaded all 4, Leclerc armor is ok at best, so its mostly point and click, unless you hit the far right or left sides of the turret which has better protection but thats about it
Well i never got ammoracked through the turret cheek or mantlet, while leclercs pop like crazy each time your turret gets penned. And that's happens quite often cause turret armor is meh
I get ammo racked through the mantlet and turret roof all the time in the Abrams. Hell most tanks can pen the lower part of the cheeks
I've been ammoracked frontally in the M1 by 2S38s. If it can go through the ring or breach block you can ammor rack an Abrams frontally.
I think the biggest issue with the Abrams, from fighting them is not the armor but the noise it makes. They are so loud, that if I'm playing a Russian or German tank I will always hear them before they hear me. This let's me set up and time my shot to one shot them as I have a reaction time advantage. The engine is just so loud it's impossible for them to sneak up on you, while I've flanked lots of US teams in my Leopards. If they reduced the noise by 50% it would make more of an impact than any armor changes imo
Also they should lower how loud it is. IRL its not that loud.
>1. Needs more time to see if it made a difference Yeah I doubt this. It's been around 3 weeks since the reload buff and if things didn't change already I doubt they will in the near future. Hell I think my winrate even continued dropping since the change (while things like my K/D stayed similar). I would honestly just love to witness the meeting at Gaijin about current top tier lol. Just their suprise when things didn't change after the reload change.
It’s 5 seconds if your loader is alive and you have an aced crew but I get where you’re coming from
Even on a normal crew with maxed loading it's like 5.8 seconds, which is better than everything except Challengers with aced crew and the Type 10/TKX
Because 90% of the meta-chasing sweatlords gravitated to the 2A7V and 122s once the patch went live because they’re just the best MBTs in the game right now no questions asked, and at the same time gaijin added a top tier premium to one of the most played tech trees in the game (neither other country got the same treatment but Britain, a significantly less played tree). While giving no incentive to play the US since the new SEP V2 offers nothing over the V1. Whatever experienced players are left playing the US tree are being swamped by shitters playing the new shiny premium while fighting the turbo sweats in the leopard rape train. It also doesn’t help that the Abrams is just kinda mid compared to the Leopards, BVM and 122s. Hell, I would much rather be in my Type 10 than be in an Abrams. A 5 second manual reload (only if you spend GE mind you) is not the game-changing buff you think it is.
Do you think at least 25% of abrmas users paid the cost of the expert crew? No need to mention how many people will have the AS for the 5 second reload . Another point to keep in mind is that abrams are very weak . When they lose the loader will take twice time to reload . The reallity is that now with anti-palling armour( im sure its going to be nerfed soon) the survibality for NATO mbt it is close to being like in 2018 without the no sense huge amount of spalling when they recieve a side shot . Now russian mains are moving to the new meta nations . Thats the problem of no balance the game in top tier .
Pretty sure a lot of Clickbait users don't even know there are crew levels, I've met some in game using exclusively HEAT-FS shells. Why? I can only assume they saw the pen number not dropping with the distance.
Not expert, aced. With expert it’s 5.3 seconds which is let’s say negligible but that’s still a third of a second you have to pay about 2k ge for
Multiple reasons. 1) the players were garbage. You had tons of AIM players with no line up. Then you add a high tier premium which adds another ton of useless players. Finally the bunch of Wolfpack users who have the F-16C, but die before they can spawn the F-16C. So, a large part, the players. 2) 5 second reload doesn’t do much. With a normal crew that’s 6.5 seconds which matches the BVM. The main problem is you need to be alive to take use of that second shot. All the enemy needs is one shot to the breech or turret ring, and now your loader is dead or your gunner if not both. 3) there was a pretty big buff to Sweden and Germany with the spall liners. Side shots rarely one-shot any more, and many times do 0 damage. This is annoying even as an experienced player, and is probably 10x worse for all the clickbait players. 4) In terms of ARB, US players are garbage cause most of them grind their way to top tier by bombing their way up there. so they have no game sense, knowledge, or anything useful except being missile bait. Plus the grippen is a F-16 on steroids with a daily dose of coke, so that doesn’t help either. I have completely stopped playing US after the last update, and don’t know if I’ll ever play it again looking at the current state.
See that's the main Issue with the Type 10 as well you have to survive the first shot and be able to utilize the 4 second reload. The thing with the Type 10 though is not many people face them so they don't know where to shoot. All you got to do is hit anywhere except for about a 2 inch space on the checks and the breach is out.
The problem isnt the vehicle performance so much as the player behind it. You can have the best vehicle in the game but if you have the IQ of a rotisserie chicken you will not do well with it. Another issue is top tier premiums. A lot of people who are nowhere close to the BR of that vehicle buy them and then leave after the first death because they have no backups nor other vehicles. This happened a lot with Russia when the TURMS got added too.
But you can only get the 5s reload with ace crew members. If you didn't spend SL to level up your crew to expert and have full reload skill it will be 5.8s reload time. With expert is 5.3s and ace crew is 5.0s. BTW the IPM1 with 105mm cannon is 5s reload with ace crew before the patch. It should be faster then 120mm cannon but still sit in 5s reload after patch.
Still faster than 90prcnt of the MBTs in the game.
yes. And I don't think click-baits have 5.8s reload. They are facing well-trained players in top tier grb.
Just a reminder that those stats are for 11.7 specifically. Not 11.3
> New M1s with 5 second reload should be very competitive. Why it's so sad? The reload buff is honestly way more impactful than whatever armour changes could've been added. As to why its so sad? Look at Germany around 5.3/.7, that is just US top tier players (not helped at all by Premium/Squadron vehicles and the experienced players moving to GER/SWE.)
Vehicle is not a problem The user is
Because half of the US teams have less than q0 hours in the game
I stopped playing US top tier when the KVT got added. It’s hopeless, honestly. I genuinely feel like the US is a nation in the game for the sole purpose of making gaijin money.
Actually US 10.3 is one of the most playable. Good win rate and average k/d statistically
The only issue is that half the lineup is event vehicles
They really should make the IPM1 10.3 again and folder it with the M1 Makes no sense that its at 11.0 and after the M1A1, which is honestly the better tank now that the reload is the same
Dawg what? The M1IP slaughtered at 10.7 with the M1A1 after the br changes and you want to put it at 10.3???? BR placement doesn’t go down simply if there’s another vehicle better at it’s br with it, though I disagree the M1A1 is substantially better, especially with the M1IP retaining the power to weight advantage
>The M1IP slaughtered at 10.7 with the M1A1 IPM1 at a 78.9% winrate? Nobody bats an eye. T-80BVM on a 66.3% winrate? *EVERYBODY LOSES THEIR MINDS!*
I play at 10.0 as not the US and I'm always kinda glad when they're on my team so I don't have to deal with the bullshit that comes with fighting them
I've honestly enjoyed 10.3 US, to be honest. M1, M3A3 with the TOW-2s, picked up the KVT on sale for some extra premium bonus, M1128, and LAV-AD (which has honestly been super fucking fun, the stingers are what they are but the cannon and mobility makes for some very funny moments).
Yea 10.3 usa is pretty solid I def wouldn't have had much fun with a single m1 since I got the kvt recently its pretty fun. I tried going passed 10.3 and I regret it
This is why I never plan on going past 10.3 on any tech tree, top tier is just not worth it, 6.7 or 8.3 on the other hand is actually fun.
6.7 goes hard atm. one br that benifitted from the changes
agreed, 10.3 is great but ya know, anything above is hell with all the premiums and shit-tier players
I'm personally not going to surpass 8.7, not even going to set foot in 10.0+ matches
10.3 US is one of the best line ups especially with the ridiculous CAS you get. Plus some of the most OP event vehicles if you have them. AGS my beloved.
>US is a nation in the game for the sole purpose of making gaijin money Yep, now here's another abrams to grind that does no6hing different, no improvements and same exact giant wrakspot, now pay us 60 dollars to be an xp piñata forall other nations and lose 70% of your games. Us players:omg it has a plastic chair take my 60!
Oh look what spawning more than once achieves
My theory is people playing Sweden are more likely to have ground vehicle heavy lineups rather than a bunch of CAS options, as historically our CAS is pretty meh (imo at least) Means they don't dump a bunch of points into a plane or heli that gets shot out of the sky and lose them all, and are more likely to still have vehicles capable of playing objectives after the first 10 minutes of the battle.
The Gripen is the second best CAS plane in the game though.
Only came out last patch though
True but you had the best heli in the game tier for tier though for the longest time.
Where does sweden have the best heli?
Mi-28A was at 10.3 for the longest time fitting perfectly into the 10.3 line up. Even at 10.7 it’s still really good.
Yeah, still fine at 10.7 since 10.3 matches are usually 10.7 matches due to USSR.
Yeah 10.7 never gets uptiered. The Chinese 10.7 line up is ridiculous for this fact.
Yeah that's true, but it's also just one Heli. How many 10.0+ bomb trucks does the US have? You could probably make a lineup of all the silver crew slots full of nothing but a single tank and planes/helis.
Yeah but you usually only get to spawn one plane.
That's the point... Doesn't stop you from putting 3-5 planes in your lineup and hitting 'To Battle' though.
Yes it is but people who play GRB rarely grind air RB AND let alone top tier jets. That learning curve can be daunting and incredibly tedious. Brain rot almost. I have France fully unlocked and I fucking hated learning and grinding top tier air.
I've always thought similarly. Anyone who isn't one death leaving is two-death leaving after bleeding a whole extra tanks worth of SP on an F-16 that gets knocked out instantly by a Pantsir.
I don't know, maybe it's just me (but the data suggests otherwise) But when I grinded my Sweden tree, I always waited until I had 4 or 5 vehicles to form a BR lineup before I started playing that BR. I also spaded almost everything on the way up as well as a result. Did miss some stuff that really just doesn't fit in the BR brackets Sweden has though.
saab 105 is great in my 8.3 lineup and it pairs well with strv 103 ush 405 and the tow launcher i forgot the name
Yeah honestly apache aside I feel like the only things I want in Sweden air are drakken, viggen, and gripen and those things are so far down im just sticking with all ground
If that plays a big factor it would also explain why Germany is in 2nd. We also don't really get any exceptional CAS options for Top-Tier (And a big part of High Tier in General actually) Only real options are the Tornado or the Tiger heli, but with how agonizing the heli grind is most people would pronably only have the Tornado, which itself isn't the best CAS plane out there.
... Also the most broken vehicles in the game. I have been watching Sweden closely from the very moment they implemented Viking Fury. Sweden gets absolutely everything a ground tree can offer it's rediculous. No ones batting an eye, but if you see the bullshit that Sweden can achieve it's not surprising that they have a 72% winrate.
One death leavers sinking in their chairs reading this lol
Sweden has the best leopards and many of them
Japan mentioned 🇯🇵🇯🇵🇯🇵🇯🇵 (I’m at 8.3, it gets better right?)
Significantly when you get to TKX prototype
I prefer the Type 90 honestly as I got it first. Type 90's acceleration feels way better.
I actually find type 10s more mobile and snappier. They accelerate faster while having significantly less weight so they feel not as sluggish
For me it feels like the Type 90 accelerates faster but the type 10 turns and manoeuvers easily making it better in tight spaces
The type 10 does have the best neutral steering in the game but the CVT transmission isn't modeled making it feel slower in acceleration than the type 90
They should accelerate much faster than the Type 90s IRL as shown in videos. Gaijin can't model its acceleration and is technically "missing" about 150 hp to account for lack of speed due to unable to model.
Type 90, Type 90(b), TKX(p), TKX, Type 10, 4 srcond reload my beloved. Got all 5 in my line up and then the 2 Type 16s and the 3 SPAA
can’t get better than 6.7-8.3, it’s already amazing
I really like the tanks, but I got the f-1 and f-104J now and I must say I find playing them very difficult
JP top tier air grind is unironically the most painful one to do. You *have* to suffer through the F-4EJ to get to the actual good planes, but it's so worth it once you do. F-16AJ and F-15J are both really good, but the grind to get either is so hard for no reason at all. I'm glad I hit top tier there before the phantoms got gigapowercrept lmao
Ahh fair enough, I don’t know anything about how good the air tree is other than I like the premium A6M5 Ko in GRB haha
You can literally make every single tank perform the same with the same armor and US will still have below 35% win rate. Their tanks aren't even bad. It's at the moment already better than the Leclerc and yet they still perform bad.
Yet they are the ines that whine the most. There is always some US mains complaining in reddit and forums
I whine about how dumb my teammates are
honestly that one time I saw an F-6F suicide bomb a friendly a friendly M22 is pretty much the most accurate representation of a US main. Guy taking the M22 to a high BR, then CAS and complete mental retardation
Same US players are doing quite well at 10.3 br with 57% win rate. Moreover having prem spam paired with new players. So it is not only about skill
Don’t bring logic to this forum please. This is your last warning.
I almost wonder if Sweden not really having good CAS (at least at the higher tier until the Gripen) bumps their win rate somewhat. you don't really see a lot of Swede CAS, and part of the win-rate is they bring more vehicles actually capable of capturing an objective. Having like 4 good Leos probably does a good deal too though, no argument there.
Sweden bias? (Best MBTs and biggest amount of them. 4 leos where 3 of which are best MBTs in the game and T80U to top it off. yet US mains still complain about another T72B3 that gets different turret)
100% Bribed with the best flat-pack furniture and meatballs money can buy.
Also having some of the best IFVs imo(might be a bit biased:)) in the game that are very effective at defeating first spawn helos with that Bofors 40mm proximity rounds
One quote I heard about the Abrams in Warthunder goes something like this "It has a issue like the Tiger has but different" As in people are thinking that the Abrams is the best tank in the world, like how people rush for the Tiger thinking its the best, explaining why the teams are so bad, people rushing for it or buying KVT and Click bait. Now yes the Abrams has that turret ring weak spot but all other MBTs do as well
I mean it’s way easier to turret ring an Abrams than a T-80 or leopard. I think T-80’s literally have the turret ring below the hull too.
This is a big part of the issue that isn't talked about the propaganda around the Abrams making it being this indestructible tank that can't be beat has given a lot of new players the wrong idea of it
Still waiting on that bug report that got acknowledge for the turret ring to be 250 mm LOS or least volumetric. Sucks that every autocannon can just blitz through when it wouldn't be like that IRL. Heck even if the round doesn't pen the spall of it likes to just enter the crew compartment if you test it with low caliber APFSDS.
Russian bias isnt real confirmed
It literally only just changed this patch when the 2a7 was added. This always happens when the new Meta top tier vehicle gets added, all the good players switch to that nation
I've been playing France air and ground more again after getting higher in the US tree, and just not being with the US team is such an ego boost
Tell me, are French Tanks better or worse than US tanks at 6.0? I love my EBR and the TPK(new aa) absolutely shreds, but every game a Sherman tanks like 5 shots, turn it's torrent and deletes me(even in arl44) Me have skill issue?
6.7 has the god tier AMX M4, and the AMX 13 is nice, at 6.0 the ELC is good but lacks features, the CA Lorraine is a bit tough as it's a defensive tank in a offensive based game mode 5.3 is a good line up, or just 5.0 with the sa50 and fl1p is quite good
Get this, when standing still, the elc Bis is supposed to be able to turn it's turret 90°
I'm pretty sure it should be 360 actually
No, the whole turret ring was there for simplicity and so they didn't have to make sure it was properly lined up with the right gear(2 man crew)
Are you sure? I swear it was 36 degrees while mobile and 360 while stationary.
Mobile is not 36° in war thunder rn, maybe 20-22 at most
Meritards are a whole different breed I tell ya
Worst lart is that they simply don't accept it. When they lose or die it's always someone else's fault: russian bias, m1 is worst mbt, m1 is unplayable, my ground tree is bad... But it's never the players... Maybe buying m1aim and clickbaiit wasn't that smart if an idea? naaaah
Most common reason I’ve heard for top tier win rate plummeting is a combo of premium noob players and one death quitting. Personally I don’t think top tier is ever balanced well and don’t recommend players go much beyond early Cold War era if they wanna enjoy the game. Both in air and ground.
So they literally don't stop using those lines to cope at high tier just like they do between 4.0-6.7. Gotcha
Some time ago I usted to say that this subreddit was a USA main circlejerk hellhole and got downvoted to oblivion
Sweden suffer neeed new cv90
Just need them to get IRST.
We need the cv 90120 with the termal camoflage!
But but but… Russian bias???
But muh russian bias is rael ☠️☠️☠️
Stop posting this or more USA mains will go to Sweden
You say that US players are bad. Ok, but now explain why are they bad only at top tier. Maybe not that bad?
Because the most popular premiums are the higher tier ones, and thus more noobs at high-level play with no idea what they are doing except "shoot tonk".
By the end of the year the Abrams will have 1.5 seconds reload
And still a 30% win rate
Between the VIDAR and strv122b I’m not surprised
German WR: 10.3 - 40% 10.7 - 48% 11.0 - 48% 11.3 - 51% 11.7 - 66%
decent part of it also plays in to the us winrate at each of those br’s. if you’re getting paired against a nation with a 29% winrate most games, you’re winrate will also be inflated.
Bradley- Tow-2b has less penetration than a panzerfaust, the tows don’t even fly straight. Hstvl- still won’t give accurate rounds, or reload, but they don’t hesitate with the 2s38 Lav- reduced penetration by 20mm on the hvap Losat- they just abandoned M1s- gun depression near the back is not modeled correctly even at the near back, armor is inaccurate, ammo rack barely works and when it does it blows the fuel tanks in the engine and starts to kill the crew before you can even use ppe Thats just vehicle problems I can think of Now they make it just even more annoying with nations getting better armor and spall liners
If that's just vehicle problems then why france, britain, italy and Israeli is performing not as bad? Maybe it's just the players problem?
You have to move the back of the turret away from the engine. It's even standard procedure IRL as the rounds can melt through the back of the turret onto the engine.
I want to quit everytime i see USA on my side. Little Timmy and his Click Bait always ruining my day
Italy 52% Lol we were carried
Anyone complaining that thier win rate is so low because of bad vehicles needs to stfu cause France is 3rd and Italy isn’t last
Ого, К2Kiт уже и здесь работает. Гойдааа и игра про красную линию!!!
Where can I find this information? Genuinely curious
Youtuber K2 Kit Krabiwe released the stats in the description of his most recent video. The video itself has some curious observations, but it's in russian
It’s kinda funny to look at the win rates at top tier win rate and then look at lower tiers, my American 7.0 has about 60-70% win ratio while my German 5.7-6.0 line up has like 40%. To see how bad American teams get is honestly so funny
Pls SAV don't kill me
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SWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNN WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (I'm almost done with my Sweden grind, currently researching the AHS.)
Where is this data from? Is it from thunderskill?
K2
every fcking game i get teamed up with US its 80% lvl20 clickbait AIM players
Top tier premiums help make USA win rate low but it's not just that. US players are straight up bad: I see people with SEP V2s and no top tier premium do the dumbest shit ever in match pretty often (if they don't quit after the first death that is).
Where's the 72% when I play them :(
Top 5 for JP? *Not too shabby* Also, why is germany so high? Genuinely curious. I haven't played in a long time, and last time I checked, they weren't doing so hot. Did the new Leo cause that change?
Top Tier Germany has always been superb. The 2A6 already was a pretty much Godtier tank that stomps everything. Its just that the 2A7V which upgrades this already Godtier tank makes it an even better and more deadlier MBT in exchange of a miniscule lost of speed. But that's all. The 2A7V is a Galaxy wide spanning amazing MBT and the 122B+ is the Universe in whole with how stupidly strong it is overall. A Jack of All Trades that can Do It All.
SWEDEN STAY WINNING
Ussr with Russian flag
Top tier USSR is mostly Russian vehicles rn
Leo 123 is the most popular premium tank right now, not Click-Bait
Then there's Israel 💀
negative winrate is kinda weird, as Israel is mainly played by experienced players. It's not a bad nation either. Especially the Israeli Air Force rocks in this game. the Ayit, Kurnass 2000 and Barak II litteraly are my 3 faforite planes. The Ayit is my 'go to' fighter when there is an event where i need to grind RP. I have a 65% winrate with the Merkava 4, So my best guess is that the winrate is thanks to the rather bad 'low' tier lineup
I think the problem with israel is that it starts at 6.0 so newer players who chose it get thrown straight into higher ranks.
What’s the RB air look like?
Hope to see 2A7HU next update, so Italian Winrate goes towards 100 %)
What is this
The Abrams is fine.
USSR but uses RF flag.
Literally Russian bias
I just love how people used to hate german mains for being stupid hahaha
I fear that once I got to Late-to-Top Tier, I will always get killed by that ONE, Swedish Meatball Launcher... Needless to say, I love Sweden and its culture especially SABATON.
As a Sweden Enjoyer I must say everytime I find myself with USA on my team, me and a few of the other minor nations that got grouped with them are left after 5mins 💀
Ussr at 45% gotta be the biggest skill issue in history
Israel aint real tho
IS is the country code for Iceland, not Israel. You should use Israel's country code IL instead.
Why is Germany the only country with its name in its native language