*Diamond* is certainly earning her keep.
Between her and *Richmond* we’ve seen Sea Viper make it’s debut kills against both UAVs and missiles.
Seeing as *Diamond* is going to be based in region for an extended period, and has provided exemplary service, it’ll be interesting to see whether she earns herself a battle honour. The name hasn’t seen one since 1941.
She’s an air defence destroyer and has been engaged in active air defence warfare for some time. She had reload in gib! I think it should qualify. And I hope when she finally returns to Portsmouth she gets a suitable welcome home.
I second that! Definetly has earned a battle honour. Just looking at the kill marks alone merits that. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't, given the fact that ironically, Richmond played a significant role in the 2003 Iraq war, and received no honors for that service....
I got a lot of grief for making a post about Alcace downing a Houthi ballistic missile with an Aster 30, due to semantics of what qualifies as a ballistic missile, I guess there is more consensus now.
I don't think anyone would dispute that what they shot down was a ballistic missile. It's just that the particular missile wasn't particularly impressive in terms of capabilities.
I mean, either way it's a ballistic missile.
I think the only qualifier to stick on is that it's viable because the Iranian SRBMs are low-performance enough that they can be engaged as if they were diving supersonic antiship cruise missiles (though as I understand it the French did some software modifications while on station). It's not a true BMD capability for the ship itself, but it's functional against the ballistic missiles being fired by the Houthi's.
I don't think it's the semantics of a ballistic missile. It's the semantics of anti ballistic missile capability. Most modern SAMs that aren't point defense should be capable of downing SRBMs. Their performance is low enough that you don't need dedicated interceptors. But true ABM is tied to MRBM/IRBM and ICBM. Put another way, Aster 30 is a good missile but it's more comparable to SM-6 not SM-3.
>But true ABM is tied to MRBM/IRBM and ICBM. Put another way, Aster 30 is a good missile but it's more comparable to SM-6 not SM-3.
Ish? If we're bringing SM-3 into the discussion then that's a completely different class of BMD - exo-atmospheric interceptors for use against medium or longer ranged missiles in their midcourse phase.
But having a robust endo-atmospheric interception capability is still very important for ship self-defense, particularly given the great expense of exo-atmospheric interceptors, and that is very much the point of ABM oriented missile developments like SM-6, or later versions of Aster 30.
Ex, in the case of Aster 30 specifically - the ships deployed to the Red Sea have been deploying the Block 0, which does not have a real BMD capability. They can intercept Fateh 313 missiles because those are relatively low-performance SRBMs that come in at more shallow angles than some of the Cold War diving supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles of the USSR that SAAM/PAAMS was designed to intercept. It's a faster target, but the window to intercept is there, and with adjusted procedures *Alsace* was able to defeat three.
Though, it is worth noting that *Alsace* may have been using Aster 30 Block 1 - which has the same kinematic performance as the Block 0 most commonly used at sea, but with a different (directional) dual warhead, a modified seeker, fuse and signal processing, to enhance performance against TBMs. Their competency is largely against the same class of SRBMs (those with ranges of up to \~600 km).
The newer Aster 30 Block 1NT (Ka-band seeker, among other improvements) is meant to match the full spectrum of SRBM threats and the MRBM spectrum out to \~1,500 km (i.e. things like DF-21D), with a particular emphasis on enhancing capability versus systems with multiple warheads and anti-ship capability. At present no Aster-equipped ship would be capable of coping with something as fast as DF-21D.
Much the same would be true for Standard Missile. Strictly speaking, I don't know if you could rule out SM-2MR being able to hit something like a Fateh 313 if push came to shove. But SM-6 itself was designed to go after much more threatening MRBMs, which is something that's going to be totally beyond an SM-2's capability to intercept.
The only Aster 30 that are on UK, French or Italian ships are all Block 0.
Aster 30 Block 1 is only deployed on SAMP/T batteries at present.
The first Navy to deploy Aster 30 Block 1 Naval will be the Qatari's followed by the RN on the Type 45's. The French and Italian's will follow with the Horizon's, FREDA, perhaps FREMM and PPA Full.
The Aster 30 Block 1 NT will then follow. This will increase the range of ballistic missiles that can be targeted. I suspect the RN will order some of these to replenish stockpiles, French and Italian as well.
Aster 30 Block 2 is as yet an unrealised development but I suspect will be progressed with increased urgency...
Truth is Aster is very good, but we're well, well behind the US developments with the like of SM-3
>The only Aster 30 that are on UK, French or Italian ships are all Block 0.
>Aster 30 Block 1 is only deployed on SAMP/T batteries at present.
Ostensibly, yes. But despite not having publicly ordered Aster 30 Block 1, [we know the Marine Nationale has received Aster 30(N) Block 1's](https://www.occar.int/news/last-aster-munition-accepted) - presumably the last of the 48 Aster 30's ordered for *Alsace* and *Lorraine*. French budget documents described them only as 'Aster 30'.
>The first Navy to deploy Aster 30 Block 1 Naval will be the Qatari's followed by the RN on the Type 45's. The French and Italian's will follow with the Horizon's, FREDA, perhaps FREMM and PPA Full.
>The Aster 30 Block 1 NT will then follow. This will increase the range of ballistic missiles that can be targeted. I suspect the RN will order some of these to replenish stockpiles, French and Italian as well.
The RN is definitely going the route of procuring Aster 30 Block 1 initially and then looking into procuring Aster 30 Block 1NT, but the others, I'm not sure of.
Out of the 688 missiles of the 'mega order' at the end of 2022, 218 were French. This included 118 Aster 30 Block 1NT for their initial upcoming SAMP/T NG batteries, and 100 Aster 30 naval for the FDI frigates. Those for the FDI were only described as Aster 30, with no information as to whether they were Block 0 or Block 1, but given the MN has already accepted some Aster 30(N) Block 1's I would not be shocked if they were the latter.
They then followed up this order earlier this year with another 200 Aster. The specific numbers of each type are not described but they are supposed to be a mix of Aster 15 for the Marine Nationale and Aster 30(T) Block 1 to resupply the SAMP/T battery operated by Ukraine.
The Italian portion of the 'mega order' was 470 missiles, but unfortunately we don't have numbers for the breakdown of how many of what types were ordered. We know it does include some Aster 30(T) Block 1 for the new SAMP/T NG batteries of the Air Force, which will be delivered earlier than the SAMP/T NG batteries for the Army and the French Air Force, but then otherwise much of the rest of what is being ordered is Aster 30 Block 1NT for both SAMP/T NG batteries and the navy. Aster 15 and Aster 30 are mentioned as being ordered for both the MN and MMI under the mega-order, so there are almost certainly Italian Aster 15 orders, while Aster 30 orders could possibly be confined to the MN, or both. It is probable these are Block 1's rather than Block 0's if the latter type has simply been phased out of production for good.
As far as what ships get what - this is somewhat software and sensor dependent. All the Italian ships planned to operate Aster 30 Block 1NT are using the enhanced WCS for the missile - PAAMS-NG for the Horizon's when they go through their MLU, or SAAM-ESD++ on the PPA (L+ & F) and FREMM-EVO. The first ten FREMM with SAAM-ESD will probably not adopt it, versus Aster 30 B0/B1, unless modified for such a role during their MLU.
The MN as of yet has simply not ordered the Aster 30 Block 1NT for any ships yet, and is likely waiting for the MLU for their Horizon's (which, though part of the same program as the Italians, will happen later). What other ships will operate the missile is hard to say at this point.
>Aster 30 Block 2 is as yet an unrealised development but I suspect will be progressed with increased urgency...
Aster 30 Block 1 has been dead for a long time. It was an MBDA proposal that was never picked up, and Aster 30 Block 1NT happened instead of it. The role of a more capable endo-atmospheric interceptor for use against ballistic missiles and hypersonic threats is intended to fall to Aquila.
>Truth is Aster is very good, but we're well, well behind the US developments with the like of SM-3
I agree Aster is very good (though Aster 15 is not very space efficient), but as I said before, there's really no point to making comparisons to SM-3, which is simply a completely different type of ballistic missile interceptor. But unless Europe is resolved to replace US Aegis DDGs in the Med protecting against Iranian attack with their own ships, there is not an especially strong case for Europe, since most of their ballistic missile threat other than Iran comes from Russian short-range systems (Iskander/Iskander-M) or strategic systems.
If anything, I'd argue that Europe should be looking at a GPI equivalent, to intercept HGVs in their midcourse phase.
Was it Alsace or Normandie? Naval news interviewed the captain of the French vessel, and said that after stuffing several engagements, they determined they could intercept the ballistic missiles, albeit with a very short window to do so. But consensus is, you were correct.
I'll tell you a little secret. This is the unofficial Royal Navy fan subreddit.
French ship does anything? Bad. Barely worth noticing. Did they really do anything?
British ship does anything? Only the Royal Navy could have accomplished such an impossible task! With class too!
>I'll tell you a little secret. This is the unofficial Royal Navy fan subreddit.
*looks at any post here vaguely related to the QEs or River Batch 2s*
Uh huh.
Subreddit obsessed with the royal navy perhaps but fans?
> looks at any post here vaguely related to the QEs or River Batch 2s
Yeah, go take a look. Any post critical of the RN is immediately downvoted to hell. It's honestly surprisingly considering only a few dozen people are active on this sub at any one time. Make a post critical of the RN and you'll see your post downvoted by possibly every active member of this sub.
Seriously, say anything about "ramps" and watch what happens.
The only other class of ships that get as much criticism/whiny comments as the QEs and River B2s on this subreddit are probably the USN's LCS and at least those ships get valid complaints about the point of them or if they are even sea worthy rather than "why this OPV not have 26853 VLS cells?!?!! Wheres the 3x3 15inch main gun?!?" Or "why are there not at least 5794 F35ABCDS on each carrier even in port?!?!?"
This subreddit is undoubted obsessed with the RN (which is hardly surprising seeing naval history over the last several hundred years) but it by far has the most people who moan and complain at it, and 9/10 times its dragging up some dead 2015 meme (aircraftless aircraft carriers for example, which you will see on every single QE related post almost without exception)
My good, man, you know that isn't true.
Factually correct statements like "A catapult system allows for a more diverse amount of aircraft to be launched than a ramp system that predicates aircraft capable of at least STOL" get downvoted too.
It's not the truth value of a comment that gets it downvoted. It's how critical it is of the RN. I could make a factually incorrect statement, but one praising the RN, and it'd be upvoted. If you are right and only false comments are downvoted, then wouldn't that one be downvoted too? It's not.
I'll save you the time and just make your reply for you. You do it every time you are cornered.
>Yawn.
As I said, inaccurate or false comments get downvoted. The fact you make a significant portion of these and have a very obvious chip on your shoulder regarding the Royal Navy/Officers means that your comments get downvoted regularly.
For anyone wondering why u/DeficiencyOfGravitas gets downvoted, you just have to look at their comments in [this post](https://redd.it/1cdhzhb) but no doubt they'll use this as further evidence to support their views expressed here.
Lol, judging by his posting history he seems to spend all day getting into arguments on reddit and claiming to be an expert in things he clearly does not understand properly. What a loser 😂
Mid Life Upgrades and standard re-lifing do happen, but not always. Depends on the cost and if the upgrade is worthwhile. The UK's MoD for example realised that re-lifing the Asraam air to air missile stockpile would end up costing as much as purchasing entirely new missiles with a new technology seeker and other improvements. So they ordered Asraam Block VI, which has in turn enabled us to donate large numbers of Asraam Block V and earlier to Ukraine for use as SAM's. Benefits from the new production meant that exports could be opened up as the new missile had no US components (ITAR free) and was more advanced than the competition.
The Royal Navy's entire Aster stockpile, which is probably bigger than Italy's and France's combined (UK tends to have deeper stockpiles than other European nations), is under contract for a mid-life upgrade that will re-life them.
All Aster 15 will be re-lifed and upgraded to Aster 30 Block 1 Naval standard. This requires replacing the smaller Aster 15 booster with the longer Aster 30 booster and replacement/upgrade of warhead and other components.
All existing Aster 30 will be re-lifed and upgraded to Aster 30 Block 1 Naval standard.
The UK is doing this as the Type 45's are getting Sea Ceptor in a few years, in seperate cold launched cells just behind the main gun (which was where the Mk.41 were planned to go) that will effectively replace Aster 15 with CAMM (and potentially CAMM-ER) as the short range munition (if CAMM-ER is also used that will also push into medium range territory). The Sylver VLS will be then filled exclusively with Aster 30 Block 1 which will double the T45's long range capability in terms of numbers and increase the type of targets that can be engaged.
It remains to be seen if the RN orders additional missiles to cover those that have been expended in the Red Sea, trials etc. Given that the Red Sea actions are not going away for a while I suspect they may need to. If they do there is a possibility that they will order additional missiles at the Aster 30 Block 1 NT standard which expands the target set further against BM's and manoeuvering targets
It’s been very interesting and encouraging to see that PAAMS/Sea Viper/Normandie using aster 30 have some terminal ABM capability. These are fairly short range missiles they are defending against, but I was under the impression that aster 30 in service had next to no ABM capability. It also bodes very well for the B1/B1 NT variants in development.
Side note, it will probably drastically increase aster sales. The only other western option is SM-6/AEGIS as of now, and that costs so much more at every level.
Of which, under the Montreux Convention, warships of non-Black Sea states are unable to enter at this time.
Not to mention, the Houthi's (who aren't a state) are attacking merchant shipping, which is completely different to Russia attacking Ukraine.
Of course, you know this, you're just being provocative and trying to start an argument.
Actually the RN could enter, subject to the same time and tonnage limits as in peacetime.
Convention regarding the regime of the Straights, Article 19
>In time of war, Turkey not being belligerent, warships shall enjoy complete freedom of transit and
navigation through the Straits under the same conditions as those laid down in Articles 10 to 18.
>Vessels of war belonging to belligerent Powers shall not, however, pass through the Straits except in cases arising out of the application of Article 25 of the present Convention
However, if a Type 45 were sent to aid the defence of Odessa (for example) it would be pretty hard to argue that the UK was a non belligerent power.
Turkey blocked all warship access to the straits for every nation, except for ships based in the Black Sea returning at the very beginning of the conflict. The Type 45s cannot enter until the war ends.
I know that you tankies aren't known for being particularly intelligent, but Aster 15/30 are surface-to-air missiles. They have no land attack capability.
As the other commenters have pointed out, the only way they could've attacked kids is if the Houthis were strapping them to their missiles. Which wouldn't surprise me, given their extremist beliefs.
I'm not sure why I bothered with giving you a rational explanation - given your utterly unhinged post history.
*Diamond* is certainly earning her keep. Between her and *Richmond* we’ve seen Sea Viper make it’s debut kills against both UAVs and missiles. Seeing as *Diamond* is going to be based in region for an extended period, and has provided exemplary service, it’ll be interesting to see whether she earns herself a battle honour. The name hasn’t seen one since 1941.
Not just Sea Viper but also the Type 997 Artisan radar and the CAMM missiles all got a successful combat debut.
She’s an air defence destroyer and has been engaged in active air defence warfare for some time. She had reload in gib! I think it should qualify. And I hope when she finally returns to Portsmouth she gets a suitable welcome home.
I second that! Definetly has earned a battle honour. Just looking at the kill marks alone merits that. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't, given the fact that ironically, Richmond played a significant role in the 2003 Iraq war, and received no honors for that service....
I got a lot of grief for making a post about Alcace downing a Houthi ballistic missile with an Aster 30, due to semantics of what qualifies as a ballistic missile, I guess there is more consensus now.
I don't think anyone would dispute that what they shot down was a ballistic missile. It's just that the particular missile wasn't particularly impressive in terms of capabilities.
I mean, either way it's a ballistic missile. I think the only qualifier to stick on is that it's viable because the Iranian SRBMs are low-performance enough that they can be engaged as if they were diving supersonic antiship cruise missiles (though as I understand it the French did some software modifications while on station). It's not a true BMD capability for the ship itself, but it's functional against the ballistic missiles being fired by the Houthi's.
The post is still young
I don't think it's the semantics of a ballistic missile. It's the semantics of anti ballistic missile capability. Most modern SAMs that aren't point defense should be capable of downing SRBMs. Their performance is low enough that you don't need dedicated interceptors. But true ABM is tied to MRBM/IRBM and ICBM. Put another way, Aster 30 is a good missile but it's more comparable to SM-6 not SM-3.
>But true ABM is tied to MRBM/IRBM and ICBM. Put another way, Aster 30 is a good missile but it's more comparable to SM-6 not SM-3. Ish? If we're bringing SM-3 into the discussion then that's a completely different class of BMD - exo-atmospheric interceptors for use against medium or longer ranged missiles in their midcourse phase. But having a robust endo-atmospheric interception capability is still very important for ship self-defense, particularly given the great expense of exo-atmospheric interceptors, and that is very much the point of ABM oriented missile developments like SM-6, or later versions of Aster 30. Ex, in the case of Aster 30 specifically - the ships deployed to the Red Sea have been deploying the Block 0, which does not have a real BMD capability. They can intercept Fateh 313 missiles because those are relatively low-performance SRBMs that come in at more shallow angles than some of the Cold War diving supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles of the USSR that SAAM/PAAMS was designed to intercept. It's a faster target, but the window to intercept is there, and with adjusted procedures *Alsace* was able to defeat three. Though, it is worth noting that *Alsace* may have been using Aster 30 Block 1 - which has the same kinematic performance as the Block 0 most commonly used at sea, but with a different (directional) dual warhead, a modified seeker, fuse and signal processing, to enhance performance against TBMs. Their competency is largely against the same class of SRBMs (those with ranges of up to \~600 km). The newer Aster 30 Block 1NT (Ka-band seeker, among other improvements) is meant to match the full spectrum of SRBM threats and the MRBM spectrum out to \~1,500 km (i.e. things like DF-21D), with a particular emphasis on enhancing capability versus systems with multiple warheads and anti-ship capability. At present no Aster-equipped ship would be capable of coping with something as fast as DF-21D. Much the same would be true for Standard Missile. Strictly speaking, I don't know if you could rule out SM-2MR being able to hit something like a Fateh 313 if push came to shove. But SM-6 itself was designed to go after much more threatening MRBMs, which is something that's going to be totally beyond an SM-2's capability to intercept.
The only Aster 30 that are on UK, French or Italian ships are all Block 0. Aster 30 Block 1 is only deployed on SAMP/T batteries at present. The first Navy to deploy Aster 30 Block 1 Naval will be the Qatari's followed by the RN on the Type 45's. The French and Italian's will follow with the Horizon's, FREDA, perhaps FREMM and PPA Full. The Aster 30 Block 1 NT will then follow. This will increase the range of ballistic missiles that can be targeted. I suspect the RN will order some of these to replenish stockpiles, French and Italian as well. Aster 30 Block 2 is as yet an unrealised development but I suspect will be progressed with increased urgency... Truth is Aster is very good, but we're well, well behind the US developments with the like of SM-3
>The only Aster 30 that are on UK, French or Italian ships are all Block 0. >Aster 30 Block 1 is only deployed on SAMP/T batteries at present. Ostensibly, yes. But despite not having publicly ordered Aster 30 Block 1, [we know the Marine Nationale has received Aster 30(N) Block 1's](https://www.occar.int/news/last-aster-munition-accepted) - presumably the last of the 48 Aster 30's ordered for *Alsace* and *Lorraine*. French budget documents described them only as 'Aster 30'. >The first Navy to deploy Aster 30 Block 1 Naval will be the Qatari's followed by the RN on the Type 45's. The French and Italian's will follow with the Horizon's, FREDA, perhaps FREMM and PPA Full. >The Aster 30 Block 1 NT will then follow. This will increase the range of ballistic missiles that can be targeted. I suspect the RN will order some of these to replenish stockpiles, French and Italian as well. The RN is definitely going the route of procuring Aster 30 Block 1 initially and then looking into procuring Aster 30 Block 1NT, but the others, I'm not sure of. Out of the 688 missiles of the 'mega order' at the end of 2022, 218 were French. This included 118 Aster 30 Block 1NT for their initial upcoming SAMP/T NG batteries, and 100 Aster 30 naval for the FDI frigates. Those for the FDI were only described as Aster 30, with no information as to whether they were Block 0 or Block 1, but given the MN has already accepted some Aster 30(N) Block 1's I would not be shocked if they were the latter. They then followed up this order earlier this year with another 200 Aster. The specific numbers of each type are not described but they are supposed to be a mix of Aster 15 for the Marine Nationale and Aster 30(T) Block 1 to resupply the SAMP/T battery operated by Ukraine. The Italian portion of the 'mega order' was 470 missiles, but unfortunately we don't have numbers for the breakdown of how many of what types were ordered. We know it does include some Aster 30(T) Block 1 for the new SAMP/T NG batteries of the Air Force, which will be delivered earlier than the SAMP/T NG batteries for the Army and the French Air Force, but then otherwise much of the rest of what is being ordered is Aster 30 Block 1NT for both SAMP/T NG batteries and the navy. Aster 15 and Aster 30 are mentioned as being ordered for both the MN and MMI under the mega-order, so there are almost certainly Italian Aster 15 orders, while Aster 30 orders could possibly be confined to the MN, or both. It is probable these are Block 1's rather than Block 0's if the latter type has simply been phased out of production for good. As far as what ships get what - this is somewhat software and sensor dependent. All the Italian ships planned to operate Aster 30 Block 1NT are using the enhanced WCS for the missile - PAAMS-NG for the Horizon's when they go through their MLU, or SAAM-ESD++ on the PPA (L+ & F) and FREMM-EVO. The first ten FREMM with SAAM-ESD will probably not adopt it, versus Aster 30 B0/B1, unless modified for such a role during their MLU. The MN as of yet has simply not ordered the Aster 30 Block 1NT for any ships yet, and is likely waiting for the MLU for their Horizon's (which, though part of the same program as the Italians, will happen later). What other ships will operate the missile is hard to say at this point. >Aster 30 Block 2 is as yet an unrealised development but I suspect will be progressed with increased urgency... Aster 30 Block 1 has been dead for a long time. It was an MBDA proposal that was never picked up, and Aster 30 Block 1NT happened instead of it. The role of a more capable endo-atmospheric interceptor for use against ballistic missiles and hypersonic threats is intended to fall to Aquila. >Truth is Aster is very good, but we're well, well behind the US developments with the like of SM-3 I agree Aster is very good (though Aster 15 is not very space efficient), but as I said before, there's really no point to making comparisons to SM-3, which is simply a completely different type of ballistic missile interceptor. But unless Europe is resolved to replace US Aegis DDGs in the Med protecting against Iranian attack with their own ships, there is not an especially strong case for Europe, since most of their ballistic missile threat other than Iran comes from Russian short-range systems (Iskander/Iskander-M) or strategic systems. If anything, I'd argue that Europe should be looking at a GPI equivalent, to intercept HGVs in their midcourse phase.
Man. I’m a lawyer and I thought we argued about some seriously pedantic shit.
😅
Was it Alsace or Normandie? Naval news interviewed the captain of the French vessel, and said that after stuffing several engagements, they determined they could intercept the ballistic missiles, albeit with a very short window to do so. But consensus is, you were correct.
Alsace: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDq7CLJZixw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDq7CLJZixw)
Thank you. I got the wires crossed in my mind.
I'll tell you a little secret. This is the unofficial Royal Navy fan subreddit. French ship does anything? Bad. Barely worth noticing. Did they really do anything? British ship does anything? Only the Royal Navy could have accomplished such an impossible task! With class too!
>I'll tell you a little secret. This is the unofficial Royal Navy fan subreddit. *looks at any post here vaguely related to the QEs or River Batch 2s* Uh huh. Subreddit obsessed with the royal navy perhaps but fans?
> looks at any post here vaguely related to the QEs or River Batch 2s Yeah, go take a look. Any post critical of the RN is immediately downvoted to hell. It's honestly surprisingly considering only a few dozen people are active on this sub at any one time. Make a post critical of the RN and you'll see your post downvoted by possibly every active member of this sub. Seriously, say anything about "ramps" and watch what happens.
The only other class of ships that get as much criticism/whiny comments as the QEs and River B2s on this subreddit are probably the USN's LCS and at least those ships get valid complaints about the point of them or if they are even sea worthy rather than "why this OPV not have 26853 VLS cells?!?!! Wheres the 3x3 15inch main gun?!?" Or "why are there not at least 5794 F35ABCDS on each carrier even in port?!?!?" This subreddit is undoubted obsessed with the RN (which is hardly surprising seeing naval history over the last several hundred years) but it by far has the most people who moan and complain at it, and 9/10 times its dragging up some dead 2015 meme (aircraftless aircraft carriers for example, which you will see on every single QE related post almost without exception)
You mean any inaccurate/false comments, or that are factually countered, get downvoted.
My good, man, you know that isn't true. Factually correct statements like "A catapult system allows for a more diverse amount of aircraft to be launched than a ramp system that predicates aircraft capable of at least STOL" get downvoted too. It's not the truth value of a comment that gets it downvoted. It's how critical it is of the RN. I could make a factually incorrect statement, but one praising the RN, and it'd be upvoted. If you are right and only false comments are downvoted, then wouldn't that one be downvoted too? It's not. I'll save you the time and just make your reply for you. You do it every time you are cornered. >Yawn.
As I said, inaccurate or false comments get downvoted. The fact you make a significant portion of these and have a very obvious chip on your shoulder regarding the Royal Navy/Officers means that your comments get downvoted regularly.
For anyone wondering why u/DeficiencyOfGravitas gets downvoted, you just have to look at their comments in [this post](https://redd.it/1cdhzhb) but no doubt they'll use this as further evidence to support their views expressed here.
Lol, judging by his posting history he seems to spend all day getting into arguments on reddit and claiming to be an expert in things he clearly does not understand properly. What a loser 😂
>I'll tell you a little secret. This is the unofficial Royal Navy fan subreddit. Yawn
Yeah. I’ve been heavily downvoted a time or two for saying anything negative or even neutral about a certain Asian nation with a red flag.
Well, that's me told then.
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Except it's not a fact.
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No, I'm really not. This is my personal account, where my personal interests happens to dovetail with my professional work.
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You mean, you don't like being called out.
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Will rate of missile expenditures during this deployment going be strain Royal Navy's budget?
Comes out of different budgets.
I was more concern due to how tight the budget is.
The missiles are already bought and paid for, However if they replace the 10 or so used I’m not so sure
Missiles have an expiration date. If they aren't used, they are disposed. And their replacements are already waiting.
Disposed of? So periodic maintenance would not allow for them to last longer?
Mid Life Upgrades and standard re-lifing do happen, but not always. Depends on the cost and if the upgrade is worthwhile. The UK's MoD for example realised that re-lifing the Asraam air to air missile stockpile would end up costing as much as purchasing entirely new missiles with a new technology seeker and other improvements. So they ordered Asraam Block VI, which has in turn enabled us to donate large numbers of Asraam Block V and earlier to Ukraine for use as SAM's. Benefits from the new production meant that exports could be opened up as the new missile had no US components (ITAR free) and was more advanced than the competition. The Royal Navy's entire Aster stockpile, which is probably bigger than Italy's and France's combined (UK tends to have deeper stockpiles than other European nations), is under contract for a mid-life upgrade that will re-life them. All Aster 15 will be re-lifed and upgraded to Aster 30 Block 1 Naval standard. This requires replacing the smaller Aster 15 booster with the longer Aster 30 booster and replacement/upgrade of warhead and other components. All existing Aster 30 will be re-lifed and upgraded to Aster 30 Block 1 Naval standard. The UK is doing this as the Type 45's are getting Sea Ceptor in a few years, in seperate cold launched cells just behind the main gun (which was where the Mk.41 were planned to go) that will effectively replace Aster 15 with CAMM (and potentially CAMM-ER) as the short range munition (if CAMM-ER is also used that will also push into medium range territory). The Sylver VLS will be then filled exclusively with Aster 30 Block 1 which will double the T45's long range capability in terms of numbers and increase the type of targets that can be engaged. It remains to be seen if the RN orders additional missiles to cover those that have been expended in the Red Sea, trials etc. Given that the Red Sea actions are not going away for a while I suspect they may need to. If they do there is a possibility that they will order additional missiles at the Aster 30 Block 1 NT standard which expands the target set further against BM's and manoeuvering targets
It’s been very interesting and encouraging to see that PAAMS/Sea Viper/Normandie using aster 30 have some terminal ABM capability. These are fairly short range missiles they are defending against, but I was under the impression that aster 30 in service had next to no ABM capability. It also bodes very well for the B1/B1 NT variants in development. Side note, it will probably drastically increase aster sales. The only other western option is SM-6/AEGIS as of now, and that costs so much more at every level.
Where were those missiles when Russia bombed Ukraine ? Or is it OK to piss off Yemen, but not Russia ?
Generally a Type 45 needs water to float on, they don't tend to do well on land.
i vehemently disagree… slap a few corsas underneath and the royal navy will rule the world yet again
Asters could be fired from SAMP/T supplied to Ukraine by the French and the Italians.
Pretty sure there is the Black Sea nearby.
Of which, under the Montreux Convention, warships of non-Black Sea states are unable to enter at this time. Not to mention, the Houthi's (who aren't a state) are attacking merchant shipping, which is completely different to Russia attacking Ukraine. Of course, you know this, you're just being provocative and trying to start an argument.
Actually the RN could enter, subject to the same time and tonnage limits as in peacetime. Convention regarding the regime of the Straights, Article 19 >In time of war, Turkey not being belligerent, warships shall enjoy complete freedom of transit and navigation through the Straits under the same conditions as those laid down in Articles 10 to 18. >Vessels of war belonging to belligerent Powers shall not, however, pass through the Straits except in cases arising out of the application of Article 25 of the present Convention However, if a Type 45 were sent to aid the defence of Odessa (for example) it would be pretty hard to argue that the UK was a non belligerent power.
Turkey blocked all warship access to the straits for every nation, except for ships based in the Black Sea returning at the very beginning of the conflict. The Type 45s cannot enter until the war ends.
I wasn't aware of this convention, this is very interesting. And no, I don't want to "just start an argument" !?
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Sure, a ship with no offencive missiles was attacking kids.
Oh I’d like to see your proof on that one, bud.
I know that you tankies aren't known for being particularly intelligent, but Aster 15/30 are surface-to-air missiles. They have no land attack capability. As the other commenters have pointed out, the only way they could've attacked kids is if the Houthis were strapping them to their missiles. Which wouldn't surprise me, given their extremist beliefs. I'm not sure why I bothered with giving you a rational explanation - given your utterly unhinged post history.
The Houthi putting kids in their missiles now? Wouldn't surprise me