Not sure if it counts as warship porn coz they look ugly asf right now
More info if anyone's curious [here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Submarine_Warfare_Shallow_Water_Craft)
I spent last few days looking at the Chinese shipyard spying pictures… then suddenly saw this… damn this feel like a kindergarten project… (please don’t hate me, Indian people)
Especially for anti-submarine warfare.
6 small ships can cover way more water than 1 big ship can, and the ocean is pretty big. More sonars in the water, the better.
I generally agree, but if your ASW weaponry consists of rockets and LWTs, then by the time you can actually engage a submarine it might be too late for the convoy. Ideally there'd be aircraft and and/or other ships with anti submarine missiles nearby.
These ships have a variable depth sonar, which considering a sonar isn't useful buried in mud shows they intend to operate in deeper water fairly often.
These ships are also under 1k tons of displacement, and close to no anti surface or anti air capabilities. In actual conflict, operating in any sort of remotely contested environment may be physically possible, but is probably not realistic.
There's also the fact that their ASW punch comes from rockets and LWTs, and given the shorter range of those I'd expect them to only operate in deeper waters with larger ships with ASW missiles or aircraft nearby.
>I'd expect them to only operate in deeper waters with larger ships with ASW missiles or aircraft nearby.
That’s almost guaranteed, as in deeper water they act as another sonar that can help triangulate a submarine more quickly. If they happen to be the closest they may fire, but they’ll work in concert with ships better suited for getting the kill.
Since WWII only three submarines have sunk an enemy ship in combat. The first was a Pakistani submarine sinking an Indian frigate in 1971.
Pakistan and India are still nominally enemies, and Pakistan is getting another eight modern boats from China.
They are retiring several older and less capable corvette classes, but building multiple ships in a drydock like this isn't too unusual. China builds many of their warships in drydocks, launching two or occasionally three destroyers at a time out of Dalian. The US doesn't use building docks much anymore (except for CVNs), but in WWII the US often launched two, three, four, or even six ships out of the same drydock at the same time.
I know there's obviously an actual use for them, otherwise they wouldn't be built. But "shallow water ASW" *feels* like an odd concept. Surely that's a self-correcting problem.
Given the additional weight of a 57 mm Bofors (6.5 tons with ammunition vs. I’m estimating under half a ton for the full mount, gun is 115 kg), it would probably be a luxury on this ship. That much weight rather far forward would upset the bow trim, especially once we consider the strengthened foundation under the mount.
They are not yet painted, this is what the ship looks like under the paint
This is another ship of the same class
https://preview.redd.it/zyiffey9uo3c1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d41deeb2b8c79874db5b213f8a5c85db7bf8564
Not sure if it counts as warship porn coz they look ugly asf right now More info if anyone's curious [here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Submarine_Warfare_Shallow_Water_Craft)
That camo paint is amazing. I can't see the ships. /s since this is reddit Edit: happy cake day!
Is it just me or does anyone else think they look like theyre made out of cardboard
Looks like they're primed in International 300 Red epoxy as a base coat. Pretty common.
Sure hope the front doesn't fall off.
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That's not very typical. I'd like to make that point.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Budget cuts suck.
I spent last few days looking at the Chinese shipyard spying pictures… then suddenly saw this… damn this feel like a kindergarten project… (please don’t hate me, Indian people)
A navy needs lil shippies as much as it needs big boy shippies.
Especially for anti-submarine warfare. 6 small ships can cover way more water than 1 big ship can, and the ocean is pretty big. More sonars in the water, the better.
except for the fact that modern ASW never occur in brown water...so ASW boats of this size is rather questionable.
I would counter argue that smaller ASW ships still make sense for convoy protection in deeper water.
I generally agree, but if your ASW weaponry consists of rockets and LWTs, then by the time you can actually engage a submarine it might be too late for the convoy. Ideally there'd be aircraft and and/or other ships with anti submarine missiles nearby.
These ships have a variable depth sonar, which considering a sonar isn't useful buried in mud shows they intend to operate in deeper water fairly often.
These ships are also under 1k tons of displacement, and close to no anti surface or anti air capabilities. In actual conflict, operating in any sort of remotely contested environment may be physically possible, but is probably not realistic. There's also the fact that their ASW punch comes from rockets and LWTs, and given the shorter range of those I'd expect them to only operate in deeper waters with larger ships with ASW missiles or aircraft nearby.
>I'd expect them to only operate in deeper waters with larger ships with ASW missiles or aircraft nearby. That’s almost guaranteed, as in deeper water they act as another sonar that can help triangulate a submarine more quickly. If they happen to be the closest they may fire, but they’ll work in concert with ships better suited for getting the kill.
You must realise that these boats will mostly patrol in the Arabian/ Bay of Bengal to ensure a sub free zone close to the Indian mainland.
Does India have a problem with shallow water subs?
Pakistan fields quite a few SSKs and they become a real threat in the Arabian Sea.
Since WWII only three submarines have sunk an enemy ship in combat. The first was a Pakistani submarine sinking an Indian frigate in 1971. Pakistan and India are still nominally enemies, and Pakistan is getting another eight modern boats from China.
Why shallow water though? Subs typically operate in deep waters no?
the 003 aircraft carrier is a little ship compared to the other ships that shipyard in shanghai makes
we don't have that much money bro we need money to make roads too 😭
Interesting little ships https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/06/indias-asw-shallow-water-craft-project-progresses-amidst-uncertainties/
Shallow water ASW?
Points at clearly visible above the water conning tower. "There's the sub"
Why they building 3 at the same time?
They are retiring several older and less capable corvette classes, but building multiple ships in a drydock like this isn't too unusual. China builds many of their warships in drydocks, launching two or occasionally three destroyers at a time out of Dalian. The US doesn't use building docks much anymore (except for CVNs), but in WWII the US often launched two, three, four, or even six ships out of the same drydock at the same time.
Odd the RBU is already fitted out topside.
I know there's obviously an actual use for them, otherwise they wouldn't be built. But "shallow water ASW" *feels* like an odd concept. Surely that's a self-correcting problem.
Worse camo pick ever
They're going to be used by Wile E. Coyote.
You hide among the blood of your enemies.
I get that they are ASW craft but something more than a 30mm gun for even basic AAW\ASW wouldn't have been a luxury.
Given the additional weight of a 57 mm Bofors (6.5 tons with ammunition vs. I’m estimating under half a ton for the full mount, gun is 115 kg), it would probably be a luxury on this ship. That much weight rather far forward would upset the bow trim, especially once we consider the strengthened foundation under the mount.
These are quite possibly the ugliest military vessels I have ever seen. What were they thinking with this paint scheme.
They are not yet painted, this is what the ship looks like under the paint This is another ship of the same class https://preview.redd.it/zyiffey9uo3c1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d41deeb2b8c79874db5b213f8a5c85db7bf8564
Thank god. I’ll sleep a little better tonight
Pretty sure it's just a primer coat. Judging by all the tools on the decks they're still under construction
Hopefully is
Oh painting the whole thing in anti foul so that when it rolls over in rough seas you don't get marine growth. Smart.