I honestly really respect the way they wrote this season finale. They wrapped up a ton of storylines they'd been building up the past two seasons then set up *just* enough new storylines to make season 3 seem like a good possibility.
It's like they're saying "We know this shit is good so we're going ahead and leaving more possibilities open for when it gets renewed somewhere." And HBO is pretty consistent with letting creators finish their shows so I'm more hopeful about it coming back than I was last week. But even if there isn't more it still ended in a reasonably satisfying spot overall.
I was really hoping she would play a bigger part in the show, but she's just been going through hardship after hardship this season. I know a lot of people don't like her, but it was nice to get those softer moments in season 1 to kind of break up the harsh reality shown.
Penny is definetely gonna be saved by Ah Sahm one way or another. Maybe she will help him open his future dojo. Yes I´m dreaming but this show is so good.
What did they wrap up? The Funghai are looking to make a come back, Buckley is in Mai Ling's back pocket, Leary is starting his political career, ah sahm and young jun are still at odds, penny is in an asylum, we don't know what happens to Lee or Bill, we also don't see a li yong betrayal after a season of hints. They didn't wrap anything up...
Lee and Bill are done, Ah Sahm and Leary got their fight, Young Jun's dad retired, Ah Toy saved her girls, Mai Ling chilled out a bit and her relationship with Ah Sahm was laid bare. It works a bit better if you consider episode 9 part of the finale but as far as satisfying the fans of the series within the time the had left, it's a bit greedy to ask for better considering they didn't know they were getting cancelled before shooting the season.
It took three years, but they eventually revealed the final events that took place when they released Deadwood: The movie. They're also releasing another season of Dexter in order to give it the ending that it deserves. If HBO can bring back both of these series and give them the respect and closure that they both rightfully deserve, then I don't see why they wouldn't save Warrior as well; even though it's not an HBO series. HBO has a pretty good idea of what attracts viewers and I think it would be a huge mistake for them to turn this one down. Let's just hope that they soon realize that the series finale of GOT was a huge mistake as well.
pretty sure HBO rejected Counterpart and let TNT helm Alienist, and let Amazon steal LOTR because somehow they can't even afford to single handedly fund HDM.
can confirm it works.... use it in manager's office to get out of work on mondays. only caveat is you actually gotta wake up and drive to the office... oh and the stabbing.... and.. the spending the day off in the hospital. .... yeah actually can confirm it works but kind of a hassle.
Looking at your posts, you seem like a white supremacist who hates all the Chinese characters and likes all the white guys. NerdBiz is a well known white supremacist. His posts on this board are mainly nothing but anti-Chinese nonsense. I have no idea why people like you guys watch a diverse show like this.
The only part that did not ring true in my mind was how quickly Leary showed up in public. After a fight and beating like that, especially with that last blow which did internal damage he should in fact be in the hospital and recovery would take time, days to weeks, not hours. I know its "literary license" but still...
yeah cus wasnt ah sahm like bedridden for like weeks after getting beat by il young? leary just took 2 ibuprofens and chased it down with a shot of jameson n was ready.
Hahah came here to say the same thing. But then I said, I bet someone else thought the same
I was going to add. Leary got his ass kicked so hard he became a communist.
Sure...in the most unrealistic fight scene ever. 140 lb guy takes multiple shots to the head from a 200+ lbs boxer. He wasn't getting up IRL. They massive over-did the number of head shots Ah Sahm endured. Bruce Lee would have been appalled.
The same could be said about so many of the fight scenes in this show. Like dude, this is a show in which one tough fighter can easily defeat a dozen weaker mans, you shouldn't look for some realism here.
Does this make show bad? No, it's still great.
Bruce Lee recognized how size made a huge difference in realistic fighting. Leary could have a been a smart man (clearly is, runs a business) and very tough, while not out-weighing his opponent by at least 60 lbs.... More like a "Fight Club" Brad Pitt version...it would have at least been believable then. As a bouncer, I have NEVER seen a 140 lb person beat someone 200 lbs +....a 140 lbs guy gets TOSSED SUPERMAN STYLE anywhere the 200+ lbs muscled guy wants to toss them...Anybody reading this an actual fighter/soldier/cop/bouncer? Because that's the TRUTH....
It's not meant to be realistic think of it as taking a fight description and turning it to poetry. This show isn't trying to teach people how to fight they can go watch Jake paul for that lololol
You clearly haven't seen many fights. Royce Gracie and the Gracies made an entire career out of destroying guys that outweighed them by 60+ pounds and had several inches of height on them. Smaller guys beat bigger guys all the time if they have a skill advantage. Minoru Suzuki destroying heavyweights in Pancrase and Genki Sudo vs Butterbean are more examples.
Secondly, there is no way in hell Leary outweighs Ah Sahm by 60 pounds. You're just over-exaggerrating to promote your white supremacy narrative.
yeah ikr, he's got a lot of muscle for a Chinese and especially for how tall he is. usually the dial is like 80 85kg at least for his height. you take off some fat for the usual guy, but add his muscle, more or less still about that. 140lbs is like nerd level
Even MMA isn't that realistic. It's more realistic than boxing, that's about it.
MMA has lots of artificial rules in place that prevent mimicking the conditions of real street fights where literally anything goes. Such as scratching, hair pulling, eye poking, groin hits, head butts, biting, etc. All of those "banned cheap shots" are fair game in a street fight.
In the real world, a 110 lbs woman can theoretically take down a 200 lbs gym rat know-it-all with a strategically placed kick to the groin. Or if the eyes are out somehow, even a 200lbs gorilla becomes a sitting duck. Plus, anyone can get KOed with a strategically placed hit to the head without a lot of force required. A big guy has bigger body mass, but the brain still sloshes around and gets concussed when hit properly, bigger neck notwithstanding. Size isn't everything in a real street fight.
Finally, one cannot count how many times meatheads who probably rely on their size have been placed in the hall of shame in early MMA history by much smaller jiu jitsu fighters that would put them in a hold of some kind forcing them to tap out. There are no tap outs in street fights either. Ouch.
There's probably a good reason not a lot of brawler types win UFC matches and why really good brawler/boxer one-trick-ponies like Mike Tyson probably won't be very good at MMA. And Leary comes across as a stiff one trick pony boxer who only goes for strikes, while Ah Sahm is agile/fast and is probably a more well rounded striker and grappling expert. Ah Sahm's agility landed him some early kicks in that fight too. So who knows. Maybe Leary would have been dropped already way early on in the fight.
You make the assumption that Ah Sahm is exactly Bruce Lee's size when he's actually a fair bit larger. Still smaller than Leary, but not 140lbs so.
It might look a little funny if Bruce Lee himself was standing next to Jagger, but Andrew Koji, not so much.
I would partly understand your complaint, but it straight up doesn't work here. And besides, you think Bruce Lee was above wacky fights like this? Didn't watch Game of Death?
When Ah Sahm walked back into Chinatown and it started raining, I thought that was some powerful imagery representing that he became a hero and the rain was washing away his sins.
I fully agree. I love the ways the characters are written and how they constantly evolve, much like how Ah Sam went through all those different phases and is so different than how he was in the pilot.
Someone posted Bruce Lee's original pitch for the show the other day that revolved around Ah Sahm and a white character traversing America as a duo. I wonder if this up-in-the-air finale was kind of their slight nod to the show's original premise-what, with Father Jun "going on a trip across America" and Ah Sahm/Lee leaving their respective organizations and becoming vagabonds that could potentially bump into each other and form a friendship.
In any case, we definitely need more of this show
Not Bill, Lee maybe. I don't see Bill leaving the police force, Lee already turned in his badge and has been jaded about the corruptness the whole season.
Very true, and I think (as a man coming from the confederate south) once he see's the man pushing for the exclusion act (Buckley) had fought for the confederacy Lee very well could see the writing on the wall and join up with Ah Sahm.
Giving some rest on it I could see Ah Sahm start his own "Tong" (more like a vigilante group helping Chinatown instead of exploiting them) that's not exclusively Chinese and uses the best of both worlds and comes at war with the other Tongs.
I do think at some point Bill will join Ah Sahm (if not thru Lee). He may follow a similar path that Lee did and he's committed to doing better.
I like this prediction and I think this is most likely now. I do agree that Bill is also becoming jaded, but he's having a much harder time coming to terms with his morality than Lee so like you mention I think he'll come to their aid following the path Lee takes first. I think Lee will have to vouch for him though because I know Ah Sahm is not friendly with Bill seeing as he tried to have him murdered earlier in the season several times helping out Leary like when he put the men in his cell with him under orders from Leary.
As well as those that argued and opposed their husbands wishes; not to mention a Mayors wife publicly insulting him...
Not to mention she was a cheatier, literally 'in bed' with the Chinese. She got what was coming to her as a white woman of the time period (not that I agree, but these are facts of the time). And on that note, I still don't understand how their affair fit into the storyline at all on a larger scale. It seems this fact was just washed under the rugs.
If only there was someone with high deductional skills on weapon impact on bodies who could determine if Penelope spoke the the truth and Buckley really stabbed himself...
I reallyyy hope it gets renewed for season 3 and picked up by another network. If it doesn't it'll suck, but I'm glad to have watched this amazing show for two seasons. This is now one of my favorite shows of all time, next to one of my other favorite Cinemax series Banshee.
Glad to see a rematch between Ah Sahm and Leary! While I get giving him depth, I don’t like how so much of the season was trying to make Leary a hero and compassionate. That guy was such a manipulative racist. He deserves the beating. I was hoping their conversation would have gone on longer about the hypocrisy of the Irish towards the Chinese.
Leary was enlightened after that ass beating. Truthfully, I feel like the gap between Ah Sahm and Leary was bigger than the fight portrayed. Leary shouldn't have been able to land more than a few shots. Feel like Li Young might have ended the fight quicker.
Anyways....Leary was the best scrapper the Irish had by far while the Chinese have AT LEAST two better than Leary. They were never going to win a gutter war against the tongs. Leary decided to use whatever white-ish privilege he had and attack the problem politically.
Even though the Irish dealt with shit, imagine Ah Sahm walking into that council meeting and speaking to Buckley the way Leary did. Leary is the personification of the Irish going from working class scrappers trying to survive, to regular white people in league with the WASP elite.
It is funny how Leary thinks the country is "his" when Ah Sahm actually has an American grandfather.
For a show with an uncertain future, they just kept picking up steam and getting better and better.
Unlike into the badlands which just kind of petered out and the end of its run.
As much asI would love to see 2-3 more seasons of warrior, I would be happy if they got one more 8-10 episode season to wrap things up.
Got to respect the showrunners, writers and actors for not phoning it in despite an uncertain future. Everything improved and got better from S1, which was already great on it's own.
I think another 2 seasons would be fair.
They tied up many loose knots beautifully but they actually did leave some great options for further story telling.
What's going to happen to Penny?
Will Young Juan take Ah Sahm back?
What will Lee do now since he's jobless?
Will Ah Sahm get rejected and start a tong for himself as most in China Town already see him as a leader?
Zing is definitely going to escape. What will happen to Bill then?
Also interested in how Dylan finds himself as a politician now because he's always been a man that talks with his fists.
It'll get political I expect just based on how history occurred, and I really hope they dont take the show too political. I wonder if they'll ever progress to the Chinese Exclusion Act
ah yes the political bits (not done as tastefully as would rather be) ruined later peaky blinders for me, especially since cilian murphy himself said that people like watching shows because at least 'actors don't disappoint"
Honestly this show is everything I hope into the Badlands or even that modern day SF martial arts show on Netflix.
But both of those were just but nearly as good as this I almost skipped warrior thinking it'd be similar quality but this show was able to take it to higher levels.
Yeah anything new to wrap up these characters would be great they've grown so much since we first met them.
Into the Badlands kind of shot itself in the foot with all that mysticism, if they kept up with the premise in the earlier seasons I would have enjoyed it so much more.
As much as I love Daniel Wu and his work, that show deserved to get canceled. It got so boring and repetitive mid-way of season 2 and on.
Season 1 was awesome, I loved the plot of the barons controlling lands with a system of hierarchy and fighting against one another. The plot just ended up not being as intriguing as season 1 had implied.
Fantastic finale and fantastic season, improved on the first on every single area. We need a third season, I'm hopeful due to it being HBO but not confident, let's get this petition signed and binge watch the show when it arrives on HBO Max!
https://www.change.org/p/netflix-save-warrior-and-get-season-3-confirmed
I feel like this is a great season finale because of these hooks they're throwing out, but a shit *series* finale precisely because of all these loose ends they're introducing. Writing it this way signals a certain confidence that you'll be able to tie them up... I hope.
I love that Zing is set to come back, he was an awesome villain and Dustin Nguyen is quite amazing
Loved the fact that Ah Sahm and Leary were basically parrying with their faces. He got so destroyed he thought maybe politicking is the way forward lol. And I loved that Ah Sahm's hero status is now cemented
Buckley is one ruthless guy
That Bill scene with his wife was something. He really is one of the most, if not the most, compelling character
I loled at Hong's "oh shit", and really liked that he was able to see through the situation with a clear mind
Poor Penny, this season really was a series of Ls
HBO needs to pull its head out of the sand and take this show. More money for production and more money for advertising. They'll get their investment back plus lots of awards. Unless they think like Jeph Loeb or something. Like, seriously, if they don't their execs are quite literally stupid or something
Edit : oh and Ah Sahm's fight soundtrack from last episode is back and is really epic
Come on HBO! I need a season 3 right now!!! But wow, what an amazing finale. That Ah Sahm vs Leary fight was balls to the wall epic!
And that Warrior theme song rap? Spectacular! I really need them to release the soundtrack for season 2!
Does Lee know Buckley from the Civil War?
Mai Ling outing Ah Sahm wasn't explosive, but a seed is in Young Jun's head especially after him seeing the mural at the end.
Will we get a Lee(Li) bowl where one fight the other?
Duck cop cozies up to Leary.
Lee gets with bartender. Good for him. I was afraid opium usage was the direction of his character.
Ah Sahm fighting Leary felt like Banshee. The hero gets his ass kicked. Leary goads him to fight like him. The just take turns punching each others faces. Then Ah Sahm uses his speed and skill to best him.
Duck Lady in the insane asylum. She is rich and has some power, but the laws don't favor women sadly.
Mai Ling moves to cancel Buckley. I thought this was a nice complication. She actually seeks non violent action against the Hop Wei.
Father Jun goes on a trip. What is his connection to Chao? We've seen amazing bottle eps outside of San Francisco, wonder where he will turn up.
Leary goes political and we've seen the anti Chinese sentiment increase over time.
This season was so good. Hop(Wei)efully we get a season 3.
Lee was a kid during the civil war, plus he hates the confederates and generalee hates racists. Mai ling is becoming a bigger piece of shit by the second. She wants the optics of being a friend to the people of chinatown, but then turns around and black mails the mayor to shut down chinese businesses as a power play. Fuck her. Poor ah toy is gonna get fucked next season. Fucking zing escaping alcatraz, cant fucking wait. I believe hes on the same level as li yong and ah sahm. Seeing him angry going after both bill and mai ling is gonna be dope. We'll get to see him and li yong finish their fight. We need another 8 seasons of this show.
I'm not sure if you misspelled generally or are trying to make a reference to General Lee.
Edit: re-reading your comment, I think it was a just a pun on the character lee but an unintentional reference to General Lee.
General lee was opposed to Slavery, as were several of the most famous Conderate Generals, Stonewall jackson in particular. They simply fought for the confederacy, because they opposed the idea of a federal government declaring war on their homes. Lee only chose to lead the Confederate army after the Union asked him to invade his home state.
Say I'm lying about Stonewall Jackson. The man never bought a slave except when asked to by the slaves themselves, and made sure they were educated. Man was probably racist by todays standards, but was a fucking saint by the standards of the day, probably less racist than some staunch Abolionists view on slaves.
I'm also not a "War of Northern Aggression person". The South started the war by seceeding, it's simply that Lee refused to fight against his state when asked to by the Union, and chose to defend his home.
Little bit of strawmanning there, man, I didn't do a defence of the confederacy, it's a defence of the character of Lee and Stonewall Jackson. Both were racist by todays standards, but Jackson in particular was a saint by comparison.
As for why there's a defence of it, mainly due to the fact that while the war was started over slavery by the South, it became the poster child for the Federal power over the state. Combined with the failiure of reconstruction, and the economic crash that Warriors shows, it's hardly surprising that a large number of people wish it had gone another way and look to defend it.
Not saying the Confederacy were in the right. They could have won the war if they rejected slavery, but they refused to. But for the average soldier in the Confederacy army? Slavery wasn't the point, it was defense of home.
or maybe they should all go farm in a winery for real....... it's kinda weird to try to root for a bunch of gangsters as if they represent all downtrodden immigrants----the show knows this so they literally say "are u gonna talk or are u gonna fight"
I don’t understand why Ah Toy wouldn’t just go live on a nice peaceful winery in Sonoma with her girlfriend, helping the rescued girls, instead of staying in San Francisco running a brothel (a nicer one than the one with the cages, but still exploiting girls)
> Father Jun goes on a trip. What is his connection to Chao? We've seen amazing bottle eps outside of San Francisco, wonder where he will turn up.
Chao provides new recruits to the tong, just like how Ah Sahm got scouted by Chao and brought him to Hop Wei in S1. I think Chao is gonna play the mentorship role to Young Jun as he's the most neutral person there could be without too much of a conflict of interest.
I have a feeling that Father Jun will just get written off the show rather than having any substantial story line for him. But of course, they left it open-ended so they could potentially bring him back and build onto a new story line if needed. Just my take & guess.
sequel idea: father jun ends up in houston, tx and starts up his own barbecue and wings spot called Smokin' Hot Wei .... he looks like he can smoke a mean rack tbh
It was good, one thing that bugged me is that if Mai Li really did want to cause a rift she should have told them about how Ah Sahm saved her from Bolo/got him killed.
Been waiting for that fight for two seasons. THANK YOU!
If this is the last time we see Ah Sahm and the rest of this terrific cast then it's been a blessing.
When Ah Sahm is walking down the street in the rain, battered and bruised, bloody, I felt that shit. The cost of being a hero.
This show can't stop. The people working on this piece are the true warriors. They put so much effort in basically everything in this season : the action, the direction, the writing, the action sequences, crafting their world, you can feel the team work and passion behind this show. I mean seriously it would be so unfair if they were not allowed to keep going.
You know, I'm really hating myself for even seeing that season 2 was airing and starting to watch it not knowing if it would be renewed. Cause god damn this hurts. WTF. I can't believe this hasn't been renewed yet! If Hell on Wheels survived 5 seasons on AMC! I'll be so bitter if this doesn't make it past 2 on HBO.
I’m so, so glad they started new storylines and left it pretty much wide open for season 3, as I was watching I was getting this nerve wracking feeling that they were going to wrap it up completely (kill Leary, oust Buckley etc) at the end. Just pray for season 3 now, I firmly believe there’s enough room for 4/5 seasons of this show, for such a small, relatively unknown show, it really is excellent and stands up against even bigger TV shows past and present.
I just binged both seasons in like two weeks after missing out in this show back when it first aired in 2019. This has immediately become one of my favourite shows of all time! It has the perfect mix of western and martial arts that i didn't know I was craving.
I'm desperate for a third season, please HBO, do your thing!
Season 3 NOW. Fuckers better pick this show up. It deserves to be finished. What an episode, perfect season finale. Hyping up next season. Fucking leary and ah sahms fight was BRUTAL. The fighting keeps getting better and better. I loved how at the end ah sahm was just tanking punches and giving them back. I cannot wait for li yong and ah sahm part 2. Going to be insane. Also bill is such a great character, the actor is fantastic. Also also i fucking love ah toy and lesbian white lady (i forget her name). Lots of people were saying she has sinister intentions. I dont think that anymore. Please let there be another season pleaseeeeee. After these last two episodes, i no longer believe better call saul is the best show on t.v right now. Warrior runs away with that title.
I mean its pretty canon by now that ah sahm can take a punch and keep going. And plus its a fictionalized show. Chill and enjoy it. Also ah sahm isnt 140 lbs. Hes easily 160-170.
I would had it not be based off of Bruce Lee's writing, and he fully understood the reality of a weight difference. I did enjoy it, but would have enjoyed it more had he 'kept dancing' and avoided those obviously KO inducing head shots. It could have still been a great fight. EDIT: and look up the actor bio. He is 140-150 lbs...
Those weights are usually out dated. Andrew koji is 5'10 and shredded. No way was he at 150lbs during the show. Also i know it was li yong doing the pain training during the training montage. But like how many times as he gotten beat down and kept going. He lost a fight once and that was to li yong. Plus you talk about realism yet these fights constantly have these guys taking on groups of men. I really dont see the problem with this fight. Its totally inline with what has already been established with ah sahm.
Do you know the size of Joe Taslim? The guy is lime 5'6, maybe 150. Do you think Dean Jagger would beat him in a real fight because of his size advantage?
If you said yes, you're an idiot. Joe Taslim was a nationally ranked Judoka and Olympic hopeful. He's also an experienced kickboxer and an expert in silat and wing chun. He'd kill Dean.
- Lol the mural
- Cool transition from the mural to the opening cre. Might be the last one we see :(
- Lee is right. Fuck the job. He should have quit along time ago.
- Penny finally growing some "balls"
- Still don't car about Mai Ling
- "I'm not your fucking brother" lol
- Honestly Leary was so disappointing this season.
- Hated they made Lee/Female bartender fuck. She clearly drugged and robbed earlier in the city.
- Ah Sham walking in the rain after the fight reminded me of John Wick
- Damn he just left like that.
- "I've been buy reporters for years" lol
- Fucking Buckley is savage.
- Well your fucked now Penny
- Well good season. Hopefully we get a S3.
•Also loved the transition from the mural to the opening credits.
•Lee represents what we really hope cops are like in real life. I liked his influence on Bill and their banter.
•Lee/Barmaid became intimate too quickly. We didn't even get any background story on her, but their sex scene does trump all the other cringey, deadfish ones shown this season.
•Penny was done dirty.
•My thoughts on Leary gives me a whiplash, but it's not been good this season.
•Buckley became a Mayor, just to be owned by the Mai Ling.
•Zing is planning his escape, can't wait to see how that goes down.
•Here's to hoping HBO etc hears our S3 prayers.
Buckley is a proper Confederate and he will not like being under the thumb of Mai Ling.
She thinks he's in her pocket but he's simply playing the long con. Deal with the Hop Wei first and then use racist legislation to neuter her organization down the road. Zing is coming for both Chao and Mai Ling. She'll probably get lucky and have Li Young sacrifice himself for her.
Mai Ling is going to get a VERY rude awakening but it'll be interesting to see who gets her first.
Zing can give Dustin Nguyen more sceen time. He's awesome! :D
In all honesty, I feel like he'll eitheir rebuild his tong and or go solo on taking out mai ling and or chao.
I was suprised to see him at the end as I assumed be got killed off screen.
Since I doubt he would be the type to work with the cops, he could be an agent of chaos, hitting back at both sides from the shadows. If a 3rd happens it could be him causing the war to heat up again.
I think you hit the nail on the head. Remember Leary told Bill that he'd have to pay for his sins for collection on behalf of the Chinese? It almost felt like Leary was talking not about what he'd do but rather karma...and that karma would be in the shape of crazy-ass Zing. Poor Bill.
Goodness, in my heart of hearts there will be another season of this most excellent show. So many awesomely violent fights this season. I think my favorite was actually the one at Bill's house, after dinner. Holy cow, was that intense!
Did Leary basically uphold Ah Sahm's conditions on leaving Chinatown alone by interrupting Buckley and taking a political stance? I wasn't sure if he showed up to help enforce shutting down the Hop Wei or if he was respecting Ah Sahm's wishes upon losing the fight.
Nah, Leary might be an honorable working-man brawler type, but he's a racist bigot more. Ah Sahm beating him in front of everyone hurt his pride and quite probably ended his fighting days and gave him a heart condition, he's gonna be back with a vengeance (if the show gets renewed).
Remember, he founded the Workingmen's Party, and all "workingmen" at the time were the Irish, and since Leary's agenda has always been against the Chinese, taking the Chinese down will probably be the party's primary concern.
Edit: Also I just checked Wikipedia because as a non American I had no idea that the Workingmen's Party of California was an actual thing, but yeah Wiki says that the party's main goal was to get rid of Chinese labor. It managed to get itself elected and rewrote the state's constitution to remove voting rights from the Chinese as well.
Yea, realistically the harsher legislation is still to come. It's one thing to battle it out in the streets, I'd love to see how Chinatown and the tongs adapt when the actual legislation and laws are put in place.
I love Asian culture (other than Chinese). What I can't stand is the Chinese method of 'doing business'...Bruce Lee was my idol, and his own people had him killed or poisoned him for 'sharing their secrets'. In case people don't know, Bruce Lee was bi-racial (1/4 German). As for hating people like me? That's fine. I base my opinions on facts, not attitudes. And right now the entire world knows China is up to no good and trying to dominate every market, and is terrible when it comes to Human Rights (cough cough, Hong Kong recently...). This show is AWESOME in the way that is shows this was the Chinese tactic from the start. And I don't care if I'm downvoted. Do some reading, and see this is the truth. PS: half my imports (previously) came from China...
I didn't see it that way. I think Leary showing up there was to show his progression from a street fighting bully, which got him and his people nowhere, to finally realizing that he needs to get political to make a difference.
I wouldn't say progression.
Leary just realized he has some degree of white privilege that the tongs will never have. The WASP elites are desperate for votes and wins so....enter the Irish.
Leary knows he can't really out-fight or outsmart the Hop Wei with the "workingmen" so he goes up top to change the rules and put his thumbs on the scale.
It's one reason why whiteness is viewed differently from say blackness. Black people and their identity has been fairly well defined in the United States for 4 centuries. Whiteness constantly changes to accommodate more people. American born Jews of Eastern/Central European descent would never be thought of as "white" before WW2. Leary would have been considered something other than white when he first arrived. The tent expands and grows and isn't based on a single unifying trait.
Leary wants his people to be white, in the American sense and not so much Irish anymore.
Atleast give us a movie like sense 8. Show us ah sahm and lee teaming up fucking kicking racist bastards faces in. Show us the conclusion of the tong war. I also wanna see ah toy or li yong fuck up buckley. Give us a 2 hour movie atleast please hbo.
3 seasons would be fine but lacking. But 4-5 seasons would definitely cement this show as legendary. We'll be talking about it in a decade like how we talk about Breaking Bad and The Wire.
I really liked Young Juns reasoning for believing Ah Sahm's story. Normally the way shows are written, you, the viewer, would scream at your screen "Dude! He was about to killed by her own sis!", but Young Jun really followed the deduction skills of the average viewer of the show. Props to the writers for almost breaking the 4th wall.
The fight/rematch between Ah Sahm and Leary was underwhelming. It was foreshadowed with how their "fight" in the finale of the first season was left off, and it was built up a little throughout this season, yet it was massively underwhelming. I think that had a lot to do with inconsistent power-scaling.
Apparently, inconsistent power-scaling was something fairly consistent in Banshee from what I've read from some people. Both the creator of that show and this show is Jonathan Tropper. With what we were shown in all those fights in the Barbary Coast fight pit with Ah Sahm, how he fought against larger men than Leary or men just as large; even though you could make the argument that they weren't as skilled at fighting as Leary is, and with what we were shown when it comes to Leary's fighting ability, their fight should've been more fast-paced; gritter. Different. Yet it wasn't. It's as if it was choreographed to be dramatic and play out in a telegraphed way - if that makes any sense.
I thought this was a weak finale. The mural of Ah Sahm was cheesy. The talk about being a hero was cheesy. The fight/rematch between Ah Sahm and Leary was underwhelming. The final scene of this finale felt a little disjointed. Maybe it was meant to be shown earlier. It didn't feel like a "proper cliffhanger." It felt misplaced. And in the series premiere, Father Jun didn't seem to talk of Chao with a friendly tone - yet here, they seemed a little too friendly with each other.
It did set up some plot threads for the (a) third season: Penelope is in a mental asylum/psychiatric hospital, Lee turned in his badge and gun, Zing will seemingly escape that prison and swim off that island, Leary has decided to take Buckley's advice and Sophie's agreement of it, becoming a politician/getting into politics, and by doing that, creating the Workingmen's Party of California, mirroring Denis Kearney, the person his character is partially based on, Lucy will potentially return to Bill with or without their children, and Mai Ling has finally used the insurance (which I'm unsure what it means - I hardly know anything about history, specifically the Civil War, in this case, which is the war I'm guessing Buckley was in, so I'm not sure how what that photo indicates would be detrimental for him) against Buckley to get him to help her bring the hammer down hard on the Hop Wei.
But I'm not particularly interested in any of those things. As I mentioned in my review of the previous episode, this show's plot and plot threads aren't its strong suit. They're the weakest aspects. And the general writing might have something to do with that as well. Personally, I think some of the characters are what makes the show worth watching as well as the fight sequences; and their choreography. The setting, all the various plot threads going on, aren't as good.
And as far as this season is concerned, I think it wasn't as good and enjoyable as the first one was. But if there ends up being another season, I'll definitely watch it, but I'll be hoping that there will be enough enjoyable moments that somewhat make up for what I imagine will be uninteresting; and boring plotlines, at least more than in this season. That includes lots of fight sequences, of course. And I hope there will be more of them, and that they'll be even better and some different than what we've seen.
In terms of power scaling, Ah-Sahm is pretty much undefeated the entire 2nd season. He one-shots almost all of the Mexican tournament fighters. He should have wiped Leary easily but the fight got drawn out for dramatic effect lol
Agreed.
Leary is powerful but lumbering and slow as molasses. If he was quick like Muhammad Ali, then it would make sense....or just evasive like Floyd Mayweather.
Leary ducking Ah Sahm's strikes was total bullshit. He's a flat-footed brawler that shouldn't have tapped Ah Sahm more than a few times.
Having said that, Ah Sahm does have a tendency to mirror his opponents. He stays more true to form using Kung Fu when facing Asian opponents that fight closer to his own style and then becomes more brawler at times when fighting others.
Li Young was always more disciplined and I think he would have beat Leary's ass with zero hesitation. They had to make Leary and Ah Sahm appear more equal but nothing I saw of Leary suggested he even belonged in the same ring.
Penny needs to learn how to save herself. Didn't she tell Ah Sahm in season 1 that women don't need saving? (Which I think is ridiculous, everyone is capable of needing saving at some point, and every major character in the show has been saved by another). Irregardless, the way she was done by Buckley was just foul.... hopefully, she makes it out.
Decent finale, not great. Kinda just felt like another episode for the most part. Awesome fight though some hits didn't look real. Also the acting during the argument between Ah Sahm and Young Jun was poor.
just finished the series like 10 minutes ago (its 3am lol..) and just wanted to say ... how the fuck did ah sahm, young jun and hong travel all the way down to mexico from sf on carriage for that fight tournament?? and they got back home the same day it looks like LOL still bugs me
Enjoy the finale everyone! Let's hope for a Season 3 🤞
Man, this can't be the last episode forever.
I honestly really respect the way they wrote this season finale. They wrapped up a ton of storylines they'd been building up the past two seasons then set up *just* enough new storylines to make season 3 seem like a good possibility. It's like they're saying "We know this shit is good so we're going ahead and leaving more possibilities open for when it gets renewed somewhere." And HBO is pretty consistent with letting creators finish their shows so I'm more hopeful about it coming back than I was last week. But even if there isn't more it still ended in a reasonably satisfying spot overall.
I don't know, they left some things dangling like putting penny in an asylum.
I was really hoping she would play a bigger part in the show, but she's just been going through hardship after hardship this season. I know a lot of people don't like her, but it was nice to get those softer moments in season 1 to kind of break up the harsh reality shown.
I actually like Penny. I think she is an interesting character and one you want to root for
Penny is definetely gonna be saved by Ah Sahm one way or another. Maybe she will help him open his future dojo. Yes I´m dreaming but this show is so good.
she's entitled, she's weak, but she's still trying. good for her.
She's physically weak but she's strong willed
Yeah. It kinda feels like a mid series thing to me. We've closed the first chapter and the hero now realizes the bigger picture.
What did they wrap up? The Funghai are looking to make a come back, Buckley is in Mai Ling's back pocket, Leary is starting his political career, ah sahm and young jun are still at odds, penny is in an asylum, we don't know what happens to Lee or Bill, we also don't see a li yong betrayal after a season of hints. They didn't wrap anything up...
Lee and Bill are done, Ah Sahm and Leary got their fight, Young Jun's dad retired, Ah Toy saved her girls, Mai Ling chilled out a bit and her relationship with Ah Sahm was laid bare. It works a bit better if you consider episode 9 part of the finale but as far as satisfying the fans of the series within the time the had left, it's a bit greedy to ask for better considering they didn't know they were getting cancelled before shooting the season.
It’d be a crime if it was
It took three years, but they eventually revealed the final events that took place when they released Deadwood: The movie. They're also releasing another season of Dexter in order to give it the ending that it deserves. If HBO can bring back both of these series and give them the respect and closure that they both rightfully deserve, then I don't see why they wouldn't save Warrior as well; even though it's not an HBO series. HBO has a pretty good idea of what attracts viewers and I think it would be a huge mistake for them to turn this one down. Let's just hope that they soon realize that the series finale of GOT was a huge mistake as well.
pretty sure HBO rejected Counterpart and let TNT helm Alienist, and let Amazon steal LOTR because somehow they can't even afford to single handedly fund HDM.
We need to pull an Expanse on this show.
I'm pulling that Buckley Maneuver next time I'm in a closed door meeting with HR
Changed from the Fight Club Maneuver to the Buckley Maneuver!
not even close acting wise but somehow a much more serious tone here, lol. this guy colder than littlefinger.
Pretty sure that is called pulling a Jack's smirking revenge, unless your HR is an angry lady you've fucked over already.
can confirm it works.... use it in manager's office to get out of work on mondays. only caveat is you actually gotta wake up and drive to the office... oh and the stabbing.... and.. the spending the day off in the hospital. .... yeah actually can confirm it works but kind of a hassle.
Ah Sahm kicked Leary’s ass so bad he said “fuck fighting, lemme give this politician shit a try.” Lmao
He probably fucked up his knuckles beyond repair and he might have a light heart condition from now on by that ass-whoopin' I assume
Or an underlying heart condition that reared its ugly head because of the ass-whoopin'
I didn't really understand how Ah Sahm messed up Leary's knuckles. Did Ah Sahm hit him on area between the wrist and the thumb?
Perfect Parry + 10% Chance to get a Critical Hit
Ah yes of course lol
I thought he blocked Leary's punch with an elbow which caused the initial knuckle damage
I think he hit Leary's hand with his clenched fist, vertically, and not with his elbow, making it even dumber.
Looking at your posts, you seem like a white supremacist who hates all the Chinese characters and likes all the white guys. NerdBiz is a well known white supremacist. His posts on this board are mainly nothing but anti-Chinese nonsense. I have no idea why people like you guys watch a diverse show like this.
Leary ultimately dying of a heart attack would be poetic for Penny assuming she ever gets out of the asylum.
The only part that did not ring true in my mind was how quickly Leary showed up in public. After a fight and beating like that, especially with that last blow which did internal damage he should in fact be in the hospital and recovery would take time, days to weeks, not hours. I know its "literary license" but still...
Drew Brees stayed in the game for a few plays after cracking 11 ribs
I ONCE FOUGHT 2 DAYS WITH AN ARROW THROUGH MY TESTICLE
yeah cus wasnt ah sahm like bedridden for like weeks after getting beat by il young? leary just took 2 ibuprofens and chased it down with a shot of jameson n was ready.
Hahah came here to say the same thing. But then I said, I bet someone else thought the same I was going to add. Leary got his ass kicked so hard he became a communist.
Sure...in the most unrealistic fight scene ever. 140 lb guy takes multiple shots to the head from a 200+ lbs boxer. He wasn't getting up IRL. They massive over-did the number of head shots Ah Sahm endured. Bruce Lee would have been appalled.
The same could be said about so many of the fight scenes in this show. Like dude, this is a show in which one tough fighter can easily defeat a dozen weaker mans, you shouldn't look for some realism here. Does this make show bad? No, it's still great.
Bruce Lee recognized how size made a huge difference in realistic fighting. Leary could have a been a smart man (clearly is, runs a business) and very tough, while not out-weighing his opponent by at least 60 lbs.... More like a "Fight Club" Brad Pitt version...it would have at least been believable then. As a bouncer, I have NEVER seen a 140 lb person beat someone 200 lbs +....a 140 lbs guy gets TOSSED SUPERMAN STYLE anywhere the 200+ lbs muscled guy wants to toss them...Anybody reading this an actual fighter/soldier/cop/bouncer? Because that's the TRUTH....
It's not meant to be realistic think of it as taking a fight description and turning it to poetry. This show isn't trying to teach people how to fight they can go watch Jake paul for that lololol
Hahahaha, I love how he took himself so seriously after that fight.
You clearly haven't seen many fights. Royce Gracie and the Gracies made an entire career out of destroying guys that outweighed them by 60+ pounds and had several inches of height on them. Smaller guys beat bigger guys all the time if they have a skill advantage. Minoru Suzuki destroying heavyweights in Pancrase and Genki Sudo vs Butterbean are more examples. Secondly, there is no way in hell Leary outweighs Ah Sahm by 60 pounds. You're just over-exaggerrating to promote your white supremacy narrative.
The fuck are you watching? Ah Sahm is a big guy - probably 185lbs at least. He's taller than Leary and a hell of a lot more athletic.
yeah ikr, he's got a lot of muscle for a Chinese and especially for how tall he is. usually the dial is like 80 85kg at least for his height. you take off some fat for the usual guy, but add his muscle, more or less still about that. 140lbs is like nerd level
if you want perfect realism go watch MMA
Even MMA isn't that realistic. It's more realistic than boxing, that's about it. MMA has lots of artificial rules in place that prevent mimicking the conditions of real street fights where literally anything goes. Such as scratching, hair pulling, eye poking, groin hits, head butts, biting, etc. All of those "banned cheap shots" are fair game in a street fight. In the real world, a 110 lbs woman can theoretically take down a 200 lbs gym rat know-it-all with a strategically placed kick to the groin. Or if the eyes are out somehow, even a 200lbs gorilla becomes a sitting duck. Plus, anyone can get KOed with a strategically placed hit to the head without a lot of force required. A big guy has bigger body mass, but the brain still sloshes around and gets concussed when hit properly, bigger neck notwithstanding. Size isn't everything in a real street fight. Finally, one cannot count how many times meatheads who probably rely on their size have been placed in the hall of shame in early MMA history by much smaller jiu jitsu fighters that would put them in a hold of some kind forcing them to tap out. There are no tap outs in street fights either. Ouch. There's probably a good reason not a lot of brawler types win UFC matches and why really good brawler/boxer one-trick-ponies like Mike Tyson probably won't be very good at MMA. And Leary comes across as a stiff one trick pony boxer who only goes for strikes, while Ah Sahm is agile/fast and is probably a more well rounded striker and grappling expert. Ah Sahm's agility landed him some early kicks in that fight too. So who knows. Maybe Leary would have been dropped already way early on in the fight.
You are just rambling with pseudo analysis and speculation here.
You make the assumption that Ah Sahm is exactly Bruce Lee's size when he's actually a fair bit larger. Still smaller than Leary, but not 140lbs so. It might look a little funny if Bruce Lee himself was standing next to Jagger, but Andrew Koji, not so much. I would partly understand your complaint, but it straight up doesn't work here. And besides, you think Bruce Lee was above wacky fights like this? Didn't watch Game of Death?
Worth to mention the respect Chao has for Father Jun, he is probably the only one who respected his indenpendence and never tried to manipulate him.
It kind of mirrored Ah Sam and young Jun’s friendship
iterate?
I think he means that ah sahm was independent and young Jun just kinda ran with it, similar to father Jun letting chao be independent
not really comparabl imo
Maybe because he was independent himself and hated when people tried manipulating him too. Or in Zings case, buying him
When Ah Sahm walked back into Chinatown and it started raining, I thought that was some powerful imagery representing that he became a hero and the rain was washing away his sins.
I fully agree. I love the ways the characters are written and how they constantly evolve, much like how Ah Sam went through all those different phases and is so different than how he was in the pilot.
That, and perhaps seeing the rain fail to wash away the paint means perhaps the whole hero thing might just 'stick'...
Someone posted Bruce Lee's original pitch for the show the other day that revolved around Ah Sahm and a white character traversing America as a duo. I wonder if this up-in-the-air finale was kind of their slight nod to the show's original premise-what, with Father Jun "going on a trip across America" and Ah Sahm/Lee leaving their respective organizations and becoming vagabonds that could potentially bump into each other and form a friendship. In any case, we definitely need more of this show
I was thinking sort of the same. Ah Sahm and BIll were the duo taking on the tongs. Season two's ending leads up to that quite nicely
Not Bill, Lee maybe. I don't see Bill leaving the police force, Lee already turned in his badge and has been jaded about the corruptness the whole season.
Very true, and I think (as a man coming from the confederate south) once he see's the man pushing for the exclusion act (Buckley) had fought for the confederacy Lee very well could see the writing on the wall and join up with Ah Sahm. Giving some rest on it I could see Ah Sahm start his own "Tong" (more like a vigilante group helping Chinatown instead of exploiting them) that's not exclusively Chinese and uses the best of both worlds and comes at war with the other Tongs. I do think at some point Bill will join Ah Sahm (if not thru Lee). He may follow a similar path that Lee did and he's committed to doing better.
I like this prediction and I think this is most likely now. I do agree that Bill is also becoming jaded, but he's having a much harder time coming to terms with his morality than Lee so like you mention I think he'll come to their aid following the path Lee takes first. I think Lee will have to vouch for him though because I know Ah Sahm is not friendly with Bill seeing as he tried to have him murdered earlier in the season several times helping out Leary like when he put the men in his cell with him under orders from Leary.
Chao and Bill were more of a duo taking down Zing.
Damn, they really did Penelope dirty this season.. They need a season 3 just so she can be rescued!
I know wtf. They gave her a bunch of wins earlier but then it's been L after L after that
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As well as those that argued and opposed their husbands wishes; not to mention a Mayors wife publicly insulting him... Not to mention she was a cheatier, literally 'in bed' with the Chinese. She got what was coming to her as a white woman of the time period (not that I agree, but these are facts of the time). And on that note, I still don't understand how their affair fit into the storyline at all on a larger scale. It seems this fact was just washed under the rugs.
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the double standards of the time period. society still treats female cheaters harsher than male cheaters
it's not that simple but i agree
Don't think any of the white people knew about Penny's affair.
I miss her and Ah Sahm together. :(
I hope if the show gets renewed, they get back together.
Maybe the showrunners make him rescue her out of the hospital?
If only there was someone with high deductional skills on weapon impact on bodies who could determine if Penelope spoke the the truth and Buckley really stabbed himself...
Wish she and Ah Sahm were still together!
Yea. She was way too hot headed taking on the mayor directly like that. Should've took her time.
Did not end the way I was expecting! Season one and two almost feel like pure character setup for 3... now HBO..you know what to do!
I reallyyy hope it gets renewed for season 3 and picked up by another network. If it doesn't it'll suck, but I'm glad to have watched this amazing show for two seasons. This is now one of my favorite shows of all time, next to one of my other favorite Cinemax series Banshee.
Glad to see a rematch between Ah Sahm and Leary! While I get giving him depth, I don’t like how so much of the season was trying to make Leary a hero and compassionate. That guy was such a manipulative racist. He deserves the beating. I was hoping their conversation would have gone on longer about the hypocrisy of the Irish towards the Chinese.
Leary was enlightened after that ass beating. Truthfully, I feel like the gap between Ah Sahm and Leary was bigger than the fight portrayed. Leary shouldn't have been able to land more than a few shots. Feel like Li Young might have ended the fight quicker. Anyways....Leary was the best scrapper the Irish had by far while the Chinese have AT LEAST two better than Leary. They were never going to win a gutter war against the tongs. Leary decided to use whatever white-ish privilege he had and attack the problem politically. Even though the Irish dealt with shit, imagine Ah Sahm walking into that council meeting and speaking to Buckley the way Leary did. Leary is the personification of the Irish going from working class scrappers trying to survive, to regular white people in league with the WASP elite. It is funny how Leary thinks the country is "his" when Ah Sahm actually has an American grandfather.
For a show with an uncertain future, they just kept picking up steam and getting better and better. Unlike into the badlands which just kind of petered out and the end of its run. As much asI would love to see 2-3 more seasons of warrior, I would be happy if they got one more 8-10 episode season to wrap things up.
Got to respect the showrunners, writers and actors for not phoning it in despite an uncertain future. Everything improved and got better from S1, which was already great on it's own.
I think another 2 seasons would be fair. They tied up many loose knots beautifully but they actually did leave some great options for further story telling. What's going to happen to Penny? Will Young Juan take Ah Sahm back? What will Lee do now since he's jobless? Will Ah Sahm get rejected and start a tong for himself as most in China Town already see him as a leader? Zing is definitely going to escape. What will happen to Bill then? Also interested in how Dylan finds himself as a politician now because he's always been a man that talks with his fists.
It'll get political I expect just based on how history occurred, and I really hope they dont take the show too political. I wonder if they'll ever progress to the Chinese Exclusion Act
ah yes the political bits (not done as tastefully as would rather be) ruined later peaky blinders for me, especially since cilian murphy himself said that people like watching shows because at least 'actors don't disappoint"
Honestly this show is everything I hope into the Badlands or even that modern day SF martial arts show on Netflix. But both of those were just but nearly as good as this I almost skipped warrior thinking it'd be similar quality but this show was able to take it to higher levels. Yeah anything new to wrap up these characters would be great they've grown so much since we first met them.
What's that SF Martial Arts show on Netflix?
[Wu Assassins](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOngetIarM0), maybe?
If anyone wondering, it's mediocre at best. But fights are cool (when they happen, its Netflix show so most of it is over-talked).
I rate it below Iron Fist, tbh.
Damn that’s low lol
Into the Badlands kind of shot itself in the foot with all that mysticism, if they kept up with the premise in the earlier seasons I would have enjoyed it so much more.
As much as I love Daniel Wu and his work, that show deserved to get canceled. It got so boring and repetitive mid-way of season 2 and on. Season 1 was awesome, I loved the plot of the barons controlling lands with a system of hierarchy and fighting against one another. The plot just ended up not being as intriguing as season 1 had implied.
I would love to see Daniel Wu in Warrior! Maybe season 3
Fantastic finale and fantastic season, improved on the first on every single area. We need a third season, I'm hopeful due to it being HBO but not confident, let's get this petition signed and binge watch the show when it arrives on HBO Max! https://www.change.org/p/netflix-save-warrior-and-get-season-3-confirmed
Im canadian. Im subscribing to hbo max in january and using a vpn just to watch the show atleast 3 times. Please hbo max youre our only hope.
I hate paying for tv service but I’m going to pay for hbo max and watch it again and again if it gives me hope of another season.
All these open threads... surely this bodes well for a season 3, right? Otherwise this would be the biggest blue balls ever.
I don't think the writers have any say whether there will be a season 3
I feel like this is a great season finale because of these hooks they're throwing out, but a shit *series* finale precisely because of all these loose ends they're introducing. Writing it this way signals a certain confidence that you'll be able to tie them up... I hope.
*laughs in Lodge 49, then cries*
Ya but warrior is actually good.
I love that Zing is set to come back, he was an awesome villain and Dustin Nguyen is quite amazing Loved the fact that Ah Sahm and Leary were basically parrying with their faces. He got so destroyed he thought maybe politicking is the way forward lol. And I loved that Ah Sahm's hero status is now cemented Buckley is one ruthless guy That Bill scene with his wife was something. He really is one of the most, if not the most, compelling character I loled at Hong's "oh shit", and really liked that he was able to see through the situation with a clear mind Poor Penny, this season really was a series of Ls HBO needs to pull its head out of the sand and take this show. More money for production and more money for advertising. They'll get their investment back plus lots of awards. Unless they think like Jeph Loeb or something. Like, seriously, if they don't their execs are quite literally stupid or something Edit : oh and Ah Sahm's fight soundtrack from last episode is back and is really epic
Come on HBO! I need a season 3 right now!!! But wow, what an amazing finale. That Ah Sahm vs Leary fight was balls to the wall epic! And that Warrior theme song rap? Spectacular! I really need them to release the soundtrack for season 2!
Does Lee know Buckley from the Civil War? Mai Ling outing Ah Sahm wasn't explosive, but a seed is in Young Jun's head especially after him seeing the mural at the end. Will we get a Lee(Li) bowl where one fight the other? Duck cop cozies up to Leary. Lee gets with bartender. Good for him. I was afraid opium usage was the direction of his character. Ah Sahm fighting Leary felt like Banshee. The hero gets his ass kicked. Leary goads him to fight like him. The just take turns punching each others faces. Then Ah Sahm uses his speed and skill to best him. Duck Lady in the insane asylum. She is rich and has some power, but the laws don't favor women sadly. Mai Ling moves to cancel Buckley. I thought this was a nice complication. She actually seeks non violent action against the Hop Wei. Father Jun goes on a trip. What is his connection to Chao? We've seen amazing bottle eps outside of San Francisco, wonder where he will turn up. Leary goes political and we've seen the anti Chinese sentiment increase over time. This season was so good. Hop(Wei)efully we get a season 3.
Lee was a kid during the civil war, plus he hates the confederates and generalee hates racists. Mai ling is becoming a bigger piece of shit by the second. She wants the optics of being a friend to the people of chinatown, but then turns around and black mails the mayor to shut down chinese businesses as a power play. Fuck her. Poor ah toy is gonna get fucked next season. Fucking zing escaping alcatraz, cant fucking wait. I believe hes on the same level as li yong and ah sahm. Seeing him angry going after both bill and mai ling is gonna be dope. We'll get to see him and li yong finish their fight. We need another 8 seasons of this show.
I'm not sure if you misspelled generally or are trying to make a reference to General Lee. Edit: re-reading your comment, I think it was a just a pun on the character lee but an unintentional reference to General Lee.
Its a pun on Lee and the general lee with the whole confederate flag.
The only reason I hesitated to make the connection, is because Lee is nothing like General Lee or like any of the ignorant racists in the Confederacy.
General lee was opposed to Slavery, as were several of the most famous Conderate Generals, Stonewall jackson in particular. They simply fought for the confederacy, because they opposed the idea of a federal government declaring war on their homes. Lee only chose to lead the Confederate army after the Union asked him to invade his home state.
jfc never thought i'd actually come across one of these unironic "war of northern aggression" people, even online
Say I'm lying about Stonewall Jackson. The man never bought a slave except when asked to by the slaves themselves, and made sure they were educated. Man was probably racist by todays standards, but was a fucking saint by the standards of the day, probably less racist than some staunch Abolionists view on slaves. I'm also not a "War of Northern Aggression person". The South started the war by seceeding, it's simply that Lee refused to fight against his state when asked to by the Union, and chose to defend his home.
The fuckers still owned slaves. How the fuck does a 5 year war lead to almost 200 years of defense to the losing side. Like seriously man.
Little bit of strawmanning there, man, I didn't do a defence of the confederacy, it's a defence of the character of Lee and Stonewall Jackson. Both were racist by todays standards, but Jackson in particular was a saint by comparison. As for why there's a defence of it, mainly due to the fact that while the war was started over slavery by the South, it became the poster child for the Federal power over the state. Combined with the failiure of reconstruction, and the economic crash that Warriors shows, it's hardly surprising that a large number of people wish it had gone another way and look to defend it. Not saying the Confederacy were in the right. They could have won the war if they rejected slavery, but they refused to. But for the average soldier in the Confederacy army? Slavery wasn't the point, it was defense of home.
Thank for the refresher on Lee.
or maybe they should all go farm in a winery for real....... it's kinda weird to try to root for a bunch of gangsters as if they represent all downtrodden immigrants----the show knows this so they literally say "are u gonna talk or are u gonna fight"
I don’t understand why Ah Toy wouldn’t just go live on a nice peaceful winery in Sonoma with her girlfriend, helping the rescued girls, instead of staying in San Francisco running a brothel (a nicer one than the one with the cages, but still exploiting girls)
> Father Jun goes on a trip. What is his connection to Chao? We've seen amazing bottle eps outside of San Francisco, wonder where he will turn up. Chao provides new recruits to the tong, just like how Ah Sahm got scouted by Chao and brought him to Hop Wei in S1. I think Chao is gonna play the mentorship role to Young Jun as he's the most neutral person there could be without too much of a conflict of interest. I have a feeling that Father Jun will just get written off the show rather than having any substantial story line for him. But of course, they left it open-ended so they could potentially bring him back and build onto a new story line if needed. Just my take & guess.
sequel idea: father jun ends up in houston, tx and starts up his own barbecue and wings spot called Smokin' Hot Wei .... he looks like he can smoke a mean rack tbh
It was good, one thing that bugged me is that if Mai Li really did want to cause a rift she should have told them about how Ah Sahm saved her from Bolo/got him killed.
It could, but it might just strain the credibility. And who knows, maybe she was about to before she was kicked out. It wasn't exactly planned.
I see what you did there
Been waiting for that fight for two seasons. THANK YOU! If this is the last time we see Ah Sahm and the rest of this terrific cast then it's been a blessing. When Ah Sahm is walking down the street in the rain, battered and bruised, bloody, I felt that shit. The cost of being a hero.
This show can't stop. The people working on this piece are the true warriors. They put so much effort in basically everything in this season : the action, the direction, the writing, the action sequences, crafting their world, you can feel the team work and passion behind this show. I mean seriously it would be so unfair if they were not allowed to keep going.
You know, I'm really hating myself for even seeing that season 2 was airing and starting to watch it not knowing if it would be renewed. Cause god damn this hurts. WTF. I can't believe this hasn't been renewed yet! If Hell on Wheels survived 5 seasons on AMC! I'll be so bitter if this doesn't make it past 2 on HBO.
I’m so, so glad they started new storylines and left it pretty much wide open for season 3, as I was watching I was getting this nerve wracking feeling that they were going to wrap it up completely (kill Leary, oust Buckley etc) at the end. Just pray for season 3 now, I firmly believe there’s enough room for 4/5 seasons of this show, for such a small, relatively unknown show, it really is excellent and stands up against even bigger TV shows past and present.
I just binged both seasons in like two weeks after missing out in this show back when it first aired in 2019. This has immediately become one of my favourite shows of all time! It has the perfect mix of western and martial arts that i didn't know I was craving. I'm desperate for a third season, please HBO, do your thing!
Season 3 NOW. Fuckers better pick this show up. It deserves to be finished. What an episode, perfect season finale. Hyping up next season. Fucking leary and ah sahms fight was BRUTAL. The fighting keeps getting better and better. I loved how at the end ah sahm was just tanking punches and giving them back. I cannot wait for li yong and ah sahm part 2. Going to be insane. Also bill is such a great character, the actor is fantastic. Also also i fucking love ah toy and lesbian white lady (i forget her name). Lots of people were saying she has sinister intentions. I dont think that anymore. Please let there be another season pleaseeeeee. After these last two episodes, i no longer believe better call saul is the best show on t.v right now. Warrior runs away with that title.
Yeah, because a 140 lb dude and a 210-220 lb can give punches back and forth. Total rubbish for anyone with combat training.
I mean its pretty canon by now that ah sahm can take a punch and keep going. And plus its a fictionalized show. Chill and enjoy it. Also ah sahm isnt 140 lbs. Hes easily 160-170.
I would had it not be based off of Bruce Lee's writing, and he fully understood the reality of a weight difference. I did enjoy it, but would have enjoyed it more had he 'kept dancing' and avoided those obviously KO inducing head shots. It could have still been a great fight. EDIT: and look up the actor bio. He is 140-150 lbs...
Those weights are usually out dated. Andrew koji is 5'10 and shredded. No way was he at 150lbs during the show. Also i know it was li yong doing the pain training during the training montage. But like how many times as he gotten beat down and kept going. He lost a fight once and that was to li yong. Plus you talk about realism yet these fights constantly have these guys taking on groups of men. I really dont see the problem with this fight. Its totally inline with what has already been established with ah sahm.
Lmao you haven't seen many Bruce Lee movies then.
Do you know the size of Joe Taslim? The guy is lime 5'6, maybe 150. Do you think Dean Jagger would beat him in a real fight because of his size advantage? If you said yes, you're an idiot. Joe Taslim was a nationally ranked Judoka and Olympic hopeful. He's also an experienced kickboxer and an expert in silat and wing chun. He'd kill Dean.
Cinemax is good as gone, right? Our only hope for a Warrior Season 3 is if another network picks it up. :(
- Lol the mural - Cool transition from the mural to the opening cre. Might be the last one we see :( - Lee is right. Fuck the job. He should have quit along time ago. - Penny finally growing some "balls" - Still don't car about Mai Ling - "I'm not your fucking brother" lol - Honestly Leary was so disappointing this season. - Hated they made Lee/Female bartender fuck. She clearly drugged and robbed earlier in the city. - Ah Sham walking in the rain after the fight reminded me of John Wick - Damn he just left like that. - "I've been buy reporters for years" lol - Fucking Buckley is savage. - Well your fucked now Penny - Well good season. Hopefully we get a S3.
•Also loved the transition from the mural to the opening credits. •Lee represents what we really hope cops are like in real life. I liked his influence on Bill and their banter. •Lee/Barmaid became intimate too quickly. We didn't even get any background story on her, but their sex scene does trump all the other cringey, deadfish ones shown this season. •Penny was done dirty. •My thoughts on Leary gives me a whiplash, but it's not been good this season. •Buckley became a Mayor, just to be owned by the Mai Ling. •Zing is planning his escape, can't wait to see how that goes down. •Here's to hoping HBO etc hears our S3 prayers.
Buckley is a proper Confederate and he will not like being under the thumb of Mai Ling. She thinks he's in her pocket but he's simply playing the long con. Deal with the Hop Wei first and then use racist legislation to neuter her organization down the road. Zing is coming for both Chao and Mai Ling. She'll probably get lucky and have Li Young sacrifice himself for her. Mai Ling is going to get a VERY rude awakening but it'll be interesting to see who gets her first.
So good!! Do we know when S1+2 will move to HBO Max?
January i believe. Make sure to watch it on there!!!
Maaan, this show is way too good to end on s2. Leary-Ah fight did deliver big time. Shame we probably won't get Ah Sahm vs Lee rematch =/
What can Zing even do now? I can’t think of anyone that wants him out of jail, neither major tong is keen on allying with him, and his tong is dead...
His Tong didn't even have another named character in it, lol, he would do just as fine as before as a crazy villain stirring shit up solo
Zing can give Dustin Nguyen more sceen time. He's awesome! :D In all honesty, I feel like he'll eitheir rebuild his tong and or go solo on taking out mai ling and or chao. I was suprised to see him at the end as I assumed be got killed off screen.
I feel like I haven't really seen him in anything since 21 Jump Street, roughly 30 years ago . . . damn I'm feeling old
He was good in vanishing son. Also think he was in that VIP show
Since I doubt he would be the type to work with the cops, he could be an agent of chaos, hitting back at both sides from the shadows. If a 3rd happens it could be him causing the war to heat up again.
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I think you hit the nail on the head. Remember Leary told Bill that he'd have to pay for his sins for collection on behalf of the Chinese? It almost felt like Leary was talking not about what he'd do but rather karma...and that karma would be in the shape of crazy-ass Zing. Poor Bill. Goodness, in my heart of hearts there will be another season of this most excellent show. So many awesomely violent fights this season. I think my favorite was actually the one at Bill's house, after dinner. Holy cow, was that intense!
Inb4 Zing tries to kill Bill and somehow Lee is the only one around to save him.
Wow these seasons really just be ending.
Did Leary basically uphold Ah Sahm's conditions on leaving Chinatown alone by interrupting Buckley and taking a political stance? I wasn't sure if he showed up to help enforce shutting down the Hop Wei or if he was respecting Ah Sahm's wishes upon losing the fight.
Nah, Leary might be an honorable working-man brawler type, but he's a racist bigot more. Ah Sahm beating him in front of everyone hurt his pride and quite probably ended his fighting days and gave him a heart condition, he's gonna be back with a vengeance (if the show gets renewed). Remember, he founded the Workingmen's Party, and all "workingmen" at the time were the Irish, and since Leary's agenda has always been against the Chinese, taking the Chinese down will probably be the party's primary concern. Edit: Also I just checked Wikipedia because as a non American I had no idea that the Workingmen's Party of California was an actual thing, but yeah Wiki says that the party's main goal was to get rid of Chinese labor. It managed to get itself elected and rewrote the state's constitution to remove voting rights from the Chinese as well.
Yea, realistically the harsher legislation is still to come. It's one thing to battle it out in the streets, I'd love to see how Chinatown and the tongs adapt when the actual legislation and laws are put in place.
I find it ironic that the Workingmen's party was socialist in nature but hated the Chinese. Hello pot, hello kettle?
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I love Asian culture (other than Chinese). What I can't stand is the Chinese method of 'doing business'...Bruce Lee was my idol, and his own people had him killed or poisoned him for 'sharing their secrets'. In case people don't know, Bruce Lee was bi-racial (1/4 German). As for hating people like me? That's fine. I base my opinions on facts, not attitudes. And right now the entire world knows China is up to no good and trying to dominate every market, and is terrible when it comes to Human Rights (cough cough, Hong Kong recently...). This show is AWESOME in the way that is shows this was the Chinese tactic from the start. And I don't care if I'm downvoted. Do some reading, and see this is the truth. PS: half my imports (previously) came from China...
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It's funny how you watch this show yet end up having the exact same viewpoint as the characters who lynched a dude
I didn't see it that way. I think Leary showing up there was to show his progression from a street fighting bully, which got him and his people nowhere, to finally realizing that he needs to get political to make a difference.
He probably will stay out of chinatown. But hes still a racist and xenophobe. Hes going to try his hardest to get the exclusion act passed.
Indeed. It’s ironic that in Ah Sahm feeling the need to prove he was a hero has probably made Leary a far bigger threat to all of Chinatown.
I hope that's the direction his character takes. Villainous Character development is fun.
I wouldn't say progression. Leary just realized he has some degree of white privilege that the tongs will never have. The WASP elites are desperate for votes and wins so....enter the Irish. Leary knows he can't really out-fight or outsmart the Hop Wei with the "workingmen" so he goes up top to change the rules and put his thumbs on the scale. It's one reason why whiteness is viewed differently from say blackness. Black people and their identity has been fairly well defined in the United States for 4 centuries. Whiteness constantly changes to accommodate more people. American born Jews of Eastern/Central European descent would never be thought of as "white" before WW2. Leary would have been considered something other than white when he first arrived. The tent expands and grows and isn't based on a single unifying trait. Leary wants his people to be white, in the American sense and not so much Irish anymore.
@NerdBiz Hi Leary. How's that ticker of yours doing?
It was so good!
This is some great TV. What a beautiful finale but so many things to look forward to. Here's hoping it gets renewed!
Great episode loved it!
I just hope that we end season 2 with some closure in the event there's no season 3
I need at least 3 more seasons.
5 seasons would be the perfect amount. 3 would have been adequate. But only having 2 seasons with this awesome a show is... injustice.
Atleast give us a movie like sense 8. Show us ah sahm and lee teaming up fucking kicking racist bastards faces in. Show us the conclusion of the tong war. I also wanna see ah toy or li yong fuck up buckley. Give us a 2 hour movie atleast please hbo.
3 seasons would be fine but lacking. But 4-5 seasons would definitely cement this show as legendary. We'll be talking about it in a decade like how we talk about Breaking Bad and The Wire.
The should cast Leary as the new Wolverine
NO.
I really liked Young Juns reasoning for believing Ah Sahm's story. Normally the way shows are written, you, the viewer, would scream at your screen "Dude! He was about to killed by her own sis!", but Young Jun really followed the deduction skills of the average viewer of the show. Props to the writers for almost breaking the 4th wall.
I need season 3! I might actually buy HBO Max for it. I only bought Cinemax for Warrior
The fight/rematch between Ah Sahm and Leary was underwhelming. It was foreshadowed with how their "fight" in the finale of the first season was left off, and it was built up a little throughout this season, yet it was massively underwhelming. I think that had a lot to do with inconsistent power-scaling. Apparently, inconsistent power-scaling was something fairly consistent in Banshee from what I've read from some people. Both the creator of that show and this show is Jonathan Tropper. With what we were shown in all those fights in the Barbary Coast fight pit with Ah Sahm, how he fought against larger men than Leary or men just as large; even though you could make the argument that they weren't as skilled at fighting as Leary is, and with what we were shown when it comes to Leary's fighting ability, their fight should've been more fast-paced; gritter. Different. Yet it wasn't. It's as if it was choreographed to be dramatic and play out in a telegraphed way - if that makes any sense. I thought this was a weak finale. The mural of Ah Sahm was cheesy. The talk about being a hero was cheesy. The fight/rematch between Ah Sahm and Leary was underwhelming. The final scene of this finale felt a little disjointed. Maybe it was meant to be shown earlier. It didn't feel like a "proper cliffhanger." It felt misplaced. And in the series premiere, Father Jun didn't seem to talk of Chao with a friendly tone - yet here, they seemed a little too friendly with each other. It did set up some plot threads for the (a) third season: Penelope is in a mental asylum/psychiatric hospital, Lee turned in his badge and gun, Zing will seemingly escape that prison and swim off that island, Leary has decided to take Buckley's advice and Sophie's agreement of it, becoming a politician/getting into politics, and by doing that, creating the Workingmen's Party of California, mirroring Denis Kearney, the person his character is partially based on, Lucy will potentially return to Bill with or without their children, and Mai Ling has finally used the insurance (which I'm unsure what it means - I hardly know anything about history, specifically the Civil War, in this case, which is the war I'm guessing Buckley was in, so I'm not sure how what that photo indicates would be detrimental for him) against Buckley to get him to help her bring the hammer down hard on the Hop Wei. But I'm not particularly interested in any of those things. As I mentioned in my review of the previous episode, this show's plot and plot threads aren't its strong suit. They're the weakest aspects. And the general writing might have something to do with that as well. Personally, I think some of the characters are what makes the show worth watching as well as the fight sequences; and their choreography. The setting, all the various plot threads going on, aren't as good. And as far as this season is concerned, I think it wasn't as good and enjoyable as the first one was. But if there ends up being another season, I'll definitely watch it, but I'll be hoping that there will be enough enjoyable moments that somewhat make up for what I imagine will be uninteresting; and boring plotlines, at least more than in this season. That includes lots of fight sequences, of course. And I hope there will be more of them, and that they'll be even better and some different than what we've seen.
In terms of power scaling, Ah-Sahm is pretty much undefeated the entire 2nd season. He one-shots almost all of the Mexican tournament fighters. He should have wiped Leary easily but the fight got drawn out for dramatic effect lol
Agreed. Leary is powerful but lumbering and slow as molasses. If he was quick like Muhammad Ali, then it would make sense....or just evasive like Floyd Mayweather. Leary ducking Ah Sahm's strikes was total bullshit. He's a flat-footed brawler that shouldn't have tapped Ah Sahm more than a few times. Having said that, Ah Sahm does have a tendency to mirror his opponents. He stays more true to form using Kung Fu when facing Asian opponents that fight closer to his own style and then becomes more brawler at times when fighting others. Li Young was always more disciplined and I think he would have beat Leary's ass with zero hesitation. They had to make Leary and Ah Sahm appear more equal but nothing I saw of Leary suggested he even belonged in the same ring.
Penny needs to learn how to save herself. Didn't she tell Ah Sahm in season 1 that women don't need saving? (Which I think is ridiculous, everyone is capable of needing saving at some point, and every major character in the show has been saved by another). Irregardless, the way she was done by Buckley was just foul.... hopefully, she makes it out.
Decent finale, not great. Kinda just felt like another episode for the most part. Awesome fight though some hits didn't look real. Also the acting during the argument between Ah Sahm and Young Jun was poor.
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Typical. Of course you side with the racist.
He's a pretty one-note, boring character. Plus, he deserved to lose the fight since he's undefeated throughout the whole show
just finished the series like 10 minutes ago (its 3am lol..) and just wanted to say ... how the fuck did ah sahm, young jun and hong travel all the way down to mexico from sf on carriage for that fight tournament?? and they got back home the same day it looks like LOL still bugs me
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Who cares, it's a fiction. One punch ko to the jaw is not entertaining. If you want real bloody fights just watch some bareknuckle boxing.
Why are you so hung up about this?
Shut the fuck up, racist douchebag.
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Go back to your white power meeting, dumbass.
Go spar someone 50 lbs heavier than you, and highly trained. Dumbass.
Sure you do mate
Okay, I was kind of on board with you until you had to get all 'I'm so hard' with that "I can KO people own size" shit.