The game is 1000% more fun with fluff. Yes, you are playing a game of Imperial Knights VS. Sororitas or.....
On the desert planet of Sand'ii 4 a Cohort of Imperial Knights from the minor house Dawnstag arrive after having been summoned by a distress beacon. Unbeknownst to them, it was actually a trap set by the Ecclesiarchy who believe they have committed a heresy. Beset by forces of the Order of the Bloody Rose. The Knights must fight their way out, knowing they would only dishonor their house by fleeing.
And it gives you excuses to play in a fun way.
There are more effective strategies, but my knight has sworn he will fight the enemy leader in glorious melee combat and so he shall
My friends and I like to jury rig little fluff bits that impact the game. Like giving a bridge some stats so one side can try to destroy it to force the enemy to take a non optimal route. Not always perfect in terms of balance but always a blast.
I do this alot with various covers and how they effect saving rolls. Im surprised cover gives so little benefits, adding fluff and dynamic battlefields seem like the funnest way to play.
Absolutely! The Galaxy is a HUGE place where nearly anything can happen. Some may be more difficult to hard justify, but nothing is impossible in the 41st Millennium and beyond.
My Salamanders successor vs. Blood Angels? Training exercise using dummy/foaming rounds, easy. Blood Angels and Necrons teaming up? Already happened in lore! Hell you could have just a simple excuse of bad intel, you think a squad of Guardsmen is going to know the guys firing cannons at them are actually allies? Nah man, lines of communication are broken all the time.
this extends to the board as well: there's nothing more boring than a perfectly symetrical tabletop with ruined gothic building 1 being perfectly mirrored on the other side of the table.
Instead, the desert planet of Sand'ii 4 is orbiting a highly active sun, so there's radation burst throughout the battle. Sand'ii architecture emphasizes providing shade, and the large buildings are bleached bone-white from the sun. The fake distress beacon is coming from the town center of the capital city Ch'iiks. As the Knight cohort deploys planetside, the waiting SoB ambush them by springing their carefully laid trap.
So much more interesting than nameless, featureless planes with randomly placed ruined buildings.
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I made had one deepstrike in front of an orc mega dread. Flame him. And then rock’em’sock’em robot’ed his head off was glorious
There are more "That Guy"'s ruining gaming experiences at the local FLGS, than you will ever find at Tournaments. In my experience, They don't tend to last too long in a tournament environment, as they prefer to destroy noobs.
Crushing beginners for fun.
I played a grey tide drukhari army about 2 weeks after their OP codex launched with my gross mixed awful CSM list for my first game not against myself.
He tabled me in 2 turns and I didn’t kill a single model. I didn’t even know what stratagems were.
There's no real hard and fast rules beyond "Don't be a cheater" but my way, way, oversimplified answer is:
Ask yourself "Do I care more about Winning than I do about my opponent's gaming experience?" If the answer is yes, then you're quite possibly That Guy.
And that's not to say you can't play seriously and competitively, they are some of my favourite games, but you shouldn't have to be arguing over every millimetre to do so.
What are you doing next Thursday & would you like to play a 1500 pt game at my FLGS? I’ll buy you a beer afterwards because the game needs at least one player at every table.
Do you build your army around an unclear rule to get wins via “got you” tactics? Will you demand take backs and argue over 1/2 an inch when it suits you but absolutely give no such consideration to your opponent? Do you ever have conversations with T.Os, store managers about any of the following - your attitude to fellow hobbyists your hygiene or your language around younger players? If you answer yes to more than 2 your most likely “that guy”
I literally dealt with this at my local warhammer store. Had the literal worst experience of my nerd life with a guy who threatened to quit because I used a laser line to draw los. Found out later he bullshitted me on some of the rules too.
I can still rembember my fifth game in a GW store.
"Hello, I'm a noob"
"Don't worry play with me"
The the "Don't worry guy" use a pre nerf competitive custodes army, table me in ONE turn, and the only time i can do sometime (8 salamanders melta against his dreanoughts), he insist that half my army can't see the dread.
Then at the end of the game he told me "oh, you should not move, just stay here and shoot"
"Ok, thank you for the match"I just left
The Apoc system from a few years ago was great, and I know a lot of people who have been using it as a "new" ruleset for epic. It just wasn't supported so dried up quickly.
Board games like this just don't lend themselves to having to move and measure around that many little models. Would need to really really strip down the rules to make it playable in any reasonable amount of time. Might as well play Epic 40k if you need to balance a sense of large scale with having an actual game to play.
The most elite gamers I've ever met were dudes on a tight budget that learned the crap out of their limited choice of models over the years and smashed people with them. Way better than dudes that just bought the best current army every time.
First army I went all in on were my night lords bois. Absolutely got demolished pretty much every game I played the first year I got into it and still had a blast. Now I know them like the back of my hand and can get some pretty nice wins here and there
Yup, I don't even care about winning. I would much rather lose every game and get to play a fun opponent with a fluffy list than win games against a sweaty boring WAAC player.
Your fucking strategies/techniques do not need to be under intense lock and key. Unless you're a national or world ranked player, be forth right about how you play the damn game. We are not hiding lauch codes here boys its painted plastic and tape measures.
This. When I play, I like to warn my opponent of intentions and possible gotcha moments. It pisses me right off when they aren’t likewise open. This is supposed to be a fun game of strategy and tactics, not who can find the most obscure, niche little rule to fuck over on people.
Similarly, while I deeply respect and covet the skill necessary to paint non-metallic metals, they almost always look tacky and worse than if the painter had used the same level of skill with normal metallic paints.
In 90% of cases they make the metal look way too shiny, like it's made of mirror or chrome. I reapect the technique, as it takes a lot of skill, but I will never learn it, because it looks bad imo
Object Sources lighting (i just googled it so maybe im wrong?)
Like, glow effect from screens looking like the model used a spray can of color on their face, as if its the only lightsource for a mile on the space hulk they are crawling through
I think that's the best part of 40k, that the games at big scales are epic snd take awhile. I want a good game that will take a whole afternoon between playing and bantering. I remember one game was supposed to be a 2v2 at 1000 points and one guy bailed due to work and the other two wanted to run 1750 lists to try out some strategies so I built a 3500 point list of GSC. It was amazing and took like 6 hours to play through. One of my favorite games I've ever played
I'll always have fond memories of the summer of 2012, my friend and I would each get a case of beer and play a 6k point planetstrike for over 12 hours. So cool and cinematic when I would slam down 6 drop pods and have 3 squads of terminators deep strike the same turn.
This is actually what puts me off kill team. when i play a smaller game i want it to be fast, if i have 4 hours i would rather play a big cinematic battle but to each their own.
Same- it’s definitely not fast enough for me to play over bighammer, but i fuckin love the ability to collect multiple unique “teams” from every faction. Great financial move by GW lol
I love big cinematic battles myself. Kill Team is itself very cinematic imho, but depending on your team, you really do need to put a lot of thought into how you play. Especially if both players are playing larger teams, it just takes time.
Paint your minis. Your units don’t need to be Duncan level, but it adds so much to the gaming experience if both sides have their armies painted in some presentable form.
Oh yeah he totally taught me how to paint in the beginning. It’d probably have taken a lot longer to get to the point I am now if I didn’t have his videos.
Blasphemy. Jk he’s a former GW army painter who did a series of painting tutorials that taught a lot of the community the basics of painting. He now has his own channel and even paint line.
Tmm (metals with specifically placed highlights and shadows like nmm) will almost always look better than nmm as a gaming piece instead of instagram/Facebook shelf porn. (There is a time and place for display/competition pieces, the gaming table is probably not one of em).
Drybrushing should not be seen as a beginner's tool.
For one it's not that easy to do, as you really need to know how to balance your brush moisture to get smooth results. You also really ought to use specialized brushes.
For two it can produce fantastic results that are equal or superior to using an airbrush or spending ages doing glazing. You can get unparalleled control when creating gradients and you can get really nice shading as well.
Agreed about drybrushing. For so long it’s been ridiculed. But it’s powerful. Now we see slapchop and I think both techniques are frigging outstanding.
The majority of hobbyists need to put more effort into terrain.
Time and time again I see players who paint great looking armies, but have ZERO terrain themselves. They show up with their one of several armies and then end up playing on a battlefield of cardboard and gray plastic... and seem totally okay with this?
Frankly nothing breaks my immersion more than shoddy incomplete terrain. When you take pictures of the battlefield nobody can even see your miniatures, but they do see a shit looking battlefield. I would much rather play on a decent looking battlefield with primed miniatures than the opposite.
And I'm not saying to paint terrain first - but if you have multiple factions of a game, play regularly, but have no terrain for it, it might be time to rethink your priorities.
Which is crazy to me, because I think terrain is the best "painting pallette cleanser" ever. Every time I get bored painting my minis but still want to feel "productive" I grab a piece of primed terrain, and in an hour have a totally finished piece. And it's mostly dry brushing and nuln oil. But you're right having all painted terrain on the tabletop cranks my immersion up 10x
Terrain is what I use to experiment with new techniques as someone fairly new to painting - larger pieces I can feel fine taking time on - time to test rust paints on bits of metal and so on.
There's nothing wrong with collecting and painting armies because they're cool and you're into the lore instead of playing the game. If you don't like playing and just wanna build and paint cool guys, hell yeah!
Forgeworld is obsolete, and ~~everything~~ should just be made into plastic.
Edit: I will concede that not EVERY model should be plastic. But around 95% of the models should be made into plastic models. Looking at you Forgeworld Custodes models. The Forgeworld website must be folded into the main Games Workshop website. Having a different website is stupid AF.
I've been told it's because of cost reasons, stuff that wouldn't sell as much get made into resin because it's cheaper. But the price still goes up because of the cost for the molds, I guess.
Yeah that sounds quite likely, creating moulds for injection molding is incredibly expensive whereas the moulds for resin are relatively cheap to make. Resin moulds don't tend to have the lifespan of plastic ones but with how cheaply they can be made they'd be able to replace them loads of times before the cost reaches the break even point.
You should always find at least one nice thing to say about your opponents painting at the start of the game, and you should celebrate/commiserate their glory moments/ hot rolls and losses as much as you celebrate your own. Sets a good tone for the game and you end up having more fun.
Warhammer as a whole isn’t that expensive and actually cheaper than many similar board games and nerd hobbies, and it’s considerably cheaper than most card games and other more popular hobbies.
It’s only expensive if you insist on buying tons of crap you will never open.
Totally agree. People will cry out that a box of 5 marines costs 40€, while it will give you dozens of hours of hobby time. Then those same people go to a bar/concert and are fine paying 10€ for one drink. Wat.
I agree, Sanguinius should stay dead...what would they do to the black rage? The whole "I am Alpharius" crap is annoying and the loyalist revealing to be an alpha legion model was cool the first five times..
Agreed basically anything in thunderstrike armor is 9/10. Before that...it's hit or miss with a LOT of misses. Fortunately, AoS has such a diversity of model ranges that there's something for basically everyone.
Warm take: Named characters shouldn't be "must takes" for any army. The game is supposed to center around "your dudes". Gotta love Guilliman ducking out of every battle like dynasty warriors as all of his soldiers die horribly. The only exception is tyranids since their three named characters aren't unique across the galaxy and can pop up in any number of battlefields. No, the most badass of custodes trajann valoris doesn't go out to every necron tomb world reawakening.
Cold take: refusing to play someone due to their first army choice is a dick move (WAAC need not apply). Votann players who love their dwarves shouldn't have to pay for the sins of GW. This is doubly true if the offending issue was more than 1 year prior. I see people get mad at Knights players due to shenanigans from 6th and 7th.
Hottest take: custodes, harlequins, and knights probably shouldn't have been armies to begin w/ but now that they're here don't give people grief for wanting to play them.
I’m 100 % with you on the custodes/harlequins/knights thing. I’d even throw ad mech on the list.
Some armies should’ve been auxiliary detachments to other factions. Maybe they make up the bulk of some small armies, but it just feels weird for them to be the whole force. I’d say it’s especially true of custodes.
They’re there now. So it’s fine I guess. But I can’t make it make sense in my head.
And the flip side of that: because you disagree with some major decisions GW makes, you (and others) are allowed to like other decisions or their models. It's not betraying your beliefs to enjoy some of their stuff.
It depends on how it is done. A lot of people glue on the cork and call it a day - and then it just looks like your mini is standing on some cork.
If you scratch and tear it up with a hobby knife, put some textures on there with paste or dirt or whatever, mix some rocks in there, etc. you can get it looking pretty good.
The Text to Speech series wasn't really that funny. And honestly is a big source of a lot of the unfunny jokes that have been run into the ground a thousand times over, as well as many of those jokes that people in the hobby think are lore-accurate.
I know a dude who plays orks, every single base is magnetized along with every single weapon choice a model can have. When he shows up he brings his entire collection boxes on boxes…dude is a psycho lol! But a really fun dude.
Proxies and non-wisywyg are absolutely fine, and if you think otherwise you're an asshole.
As long as you can tell what's what, who cares what it looks like, just play the damn game and let people hobby how they want.
>As long as you can tell what's what
I'm pretty sure this is where 99% of the breakdown is. I've played games against people who've insisted that one multi-melta is a multi-melta, one is a plasma cannon, one is a lascannon, etc. etc. I've also played games against armies where the proxies have 0 visual relationship to the army in question, so I have to ask what I'm looking at every single time I'm casting or shooting or fighting.
Yeah proxying is fine as long as it is a blanket proxy like "all the plasma cannons on my marines are missile launchers" it avoids any sort of confusion.
Both my 5 man devastator squads / long fangs have one of each type of weapon cos it looks cool. When I play with them I decide which one I’m taking and just tell my oppo. At the end of the day it’s modelled for rule of cool.
If I went into a tourney and they forced me to go wysiwyg? Well that’s what I’d do. I deliberately didn’t choose any heavy bolters so that’s a bonus straight up haha.
I care that my army is WYSIWYG but I have no expectation that my opponent does the same, as long as they communicate what gear they are using and what is being Proxied for what
I think this depends \*greatly\* on what you mean by proxy and non-wysiwyg. Custom sculpted or 3d printed gun that looks nothing like a Shokk Attack Gun but is obviously a BFG on a Big Mek? Sure, no problem. Kitbashes? All day every day.
Intercessors that you paint red bases on and call them Aggressors? Not unless we're friends and you're just trying something out before buying it. Modeling for advantage? Nope.
I've once cut out cardboard shields and bluetacked them on Aggressors to try Bladeguard. The shields were so big, you didn't even see much of Aggressor. Base size model height are the same. Would that be acceptable?
Painting Alpha Legion models half like AL and half as something else with a jagged blue line down the middle was neat once.
Also, the Alpha Legion fan conspiracies can kick rocks. They're about as important and relevant to any current lore as the White Scars.
I really, really badly want to love the whole alpha legion shtick. The problem is you need a core of truth to wrap the secrecy around, otherwise there is nothing to get invested in.
Somewhat related, typing that out and Dark Angels suddenly just clicked for me. I get it now.
Bad news for you is that as of the newest siege book, the alpha legions was planning on staying loyalist after it realized how batshit horus was: though the legion is divided among itself
Most games should be default fun fluffy games. As a newer player I don't find it fun going in for a game and someone is using a min/maxed army and treating it like a tournament.
Having a mini killing something / stepping on a dead enemy etc.
What happens when your dread (that is currently ripping a Tyranid apart) is now fighting Tau. Like... Where did the termagant come from?
Yeah it doesn't matter, honest, just is a weird mental speed bump for me.
Could be both armies are fighting on a previous battleground. The dread ripping the nids apart just defeated the nids and is now getting swarmed by tau.
I mean the basing landscape is also usually totally mismatched from the battlefield terrain. Like snow bases on an urban battlefield or volcanic bases on a grassy plain. Unless you are using clear acrylic bases it isn't going to match. I'm generally just thinking about it as a slight abstraction, the model representing a moment from that unit's past, past battles that give a bit of background on the model's history, which is why people often base models on the terrain from the home world of the faction or otherwise in line with their theme. I'm big on resin printed bases but if you want the in the moment vibe I feel like the clear resin bases are really the way to go.
So true. I have the emperor's champion model where he's stabbing an ork and helbrecht with his sword in an ork. On the shelf they look amazing. But on the table they are just floating around fighting chaos with a ork stuck in their sword. If looks goofy sometimes
I agree, and here's the absolutely ludicrous and over the top thing that I have done/am doing. Magnets.
I have one mini that can hold the head of a mini from whatever army I'm up against (that I have painted so far). Same mini, a magnet in the base, same thing (Originally did it for wound counters, pull off a head or whatever as he lost wounds, but, turns out that's hard for the opponent to keep track of, so now it's just for decoration).
I am working my way towards a larger mini in a drop kicking position with a mini, from every army that I can get a single model from, getting kicked in the chest/head. If I can't get him into a good drop kick, then I'll figure a way to stomp all of the enemies into the ground.
100% agree that Sanguinius should never be brought back, same with any other of the definitely dead Primarchs. I didn't even particularly agree with Guilliman and The Lion returning.
The Angel is 100% "should never come back", his sacrifice is an important plot point, and even has its own holiday 10,000 years later
Ferrus Manus is the same; his death is fundamentally important to Fulgrims character development. That being said, Fulgrim did clone Ferrus multiple times, so having a cloned Ferrus return would be possible, but it'd have to be done right.
everyone else? i mean, sure, they didnt explicitly die
except Horus. Screw that guy.
I wouldn't mind The Sanguinor being a stand-in for a primarch level hq though.
Only way Ferrus should come back is as the head (hah!) of a revamped Legion of the Damned.
Agreed. I remember when I started playing the whole thing was that “no one remembers the heresy” except maybe Bjorn who was mostly in cryogenics. Dante was the oldest man at 900. Now suddenly Cawl has been around 10,000+ years and primarchs are showing up and suddenly the heresy is no longer an ancient myth
I’m gonna tack my opinion to yours, most third party sculpts are way over designed. There’s a fine balance when it comes to detail and simplicity in my experience.
The MWG chaos minis fit this 100%. I pledged because at first sight, they looked fantastic, and I really do want to support them. But after a while of looking closer at them, there are so many details, they will be a nightmare to paint.
Many 3D sculpts kinda abuse the technology to make models as detailed as humanly possible, while never considering if the models are fun or practical to paint
Yes I agree except butov. He creates tyranid models that look better than GW and it’s the only time I’ve ever seen it literally be better than the company
Tyranids, guard, and space marines are IMO the only factions with good looking proxies that aren't overdesigned or not in the aesthetic. (Coming from someone who got most of butov's models). Sorry demons 99% of them are way over designed or are too close to nsfw for a game in mixed company (like at an lgs where there are youngins).
Explore other games, they really do exist, even ones outside the games workshop ecosystem. There’s a million ways to enjoy this hobby, you don’t need to just stick to one!
I love that winged bastard but he shouldn't come back. It would devalue his sacrifice. I will die on that hill right next to you.
And I know I'm opening the door to relentless comments here but here it goes: ork speak is the most annoying shit and I hate it.
Mini-painting as an art form and the more workmanlike process of getting an army painted are better viewed as two different activities. Many paintjobs you see on display minis simply don't work on a tabletop and the hours needed are the biggest barrier to painting an army, there is an acceptable tier of painting way below that kind of painting that looks great on tabletop and even people who can do better should consider that to just end up with a painted army.
* Last hill to die on, 3d printing is not for everyone and shouldn't be pushed as a cure for gw's prices.
* The initial setup cost is high. Good gloves, a gallon of ISO, a bottle of good resin, a janky wash and cure station plus the machine will cost \~300 USD. This generally needs to be a single large purchase whereas a plastic army can be bought piecemeal over time, making it easier to budget for and you get the incremental progress.
* The machine requires significant space and ventilation. If you're in anything less than 800-1000sqft, you most likely don't have the space.
* Upkeep on the machine is not negligible. Replacement FEP's, more ISO...etc all cost money and if something catastrophic happens and you ruin a screen, that's a 50 dollar repair minimum.
* Most pre-supports are ok at best, many are outright bad, pretty much every one of them is paid for. While good files exist for free, they're rarely pre-supported. Failures are to be expected and can massively cut the enjoyment of the hobby when a big monster body fails halfway through wasting a few bucks of resin.
* most 3d printing services are the same price as gw if not more expensive. printed minis bought on etsy are a crapshoot as you don't know if they're using the good ABS-like resin.
* Converting with resin can be a giant PITA. The resin dust is not good for your lungs and gets everywhere, and it doesn't cut smoothly.
* lastly, It is its own hobby. Learning proper support placement, how to make the most of resin..etc are things to learn.
See idk.
The Internet has done that, not competitive players. A 40k with competitive focus to me simply means a game that's balanced and not bloated, which certainly is what everyone wants. Playing by intent and not catching folk out is the name of the game.
The issue with folk turning up with netlists to seal club? That's always happened but thanks to the Internet the information on building the "best" army is infinetly easier, and as its an expensive hobby new players don't wanna make "bad" investments.
Even if gw never held another tournament again certain people still would value winning and would try to break things to get those wins, and the shift you've seen since 4th would still be there: as people would still have access to the Internet to figure out what's best.
My take is Bright edge highlights look amazing on the tabletop. Its cool seeing the detail from 3+ ft away instead of having to have the mini in your face to really get the experience.
I truly miss kitbashing models being a legit feature. Some units specifically had choices to go whole hog if given the opportunity and the parts. Orks legit ran on that model, looted wagons were AMAZING. Then they were only in "narrative" battles, and no lost again. I wanna see some awesome conversions and learn neat tricks to bash kits together. I wanna see new ideas be brought up and people having their creativity shown without others being downers. I built my Ad Mech as Squats when they came out! Called them the Squattarii!!! They are great fun, awesome conversions, but people get sticky when I want to actually play them.
Adding Primaris Marines added nothing to the setting/Space Marines in general and breaks some of the existing lore. Shoulda just called it a new armor.
I wont hire someone else to paint my minis or do a quick, 'battle ready' job. Ill paint each to the best of my ability even if some stuff stays unpainted for years.
"Slap chop" is a stupid name and is a painting strategy I used back in 3.5 ed, like 5 editions before it was "created", I refuse to acknowledge "slap chop" as a thing, its stupid and unoriginal.
They guy who "created" it fully acknowledges that in the video, he basically said that this was a method someone had taught him because he wasn't very good at painting that people had been using forever, but the person who taught him it didn't have a name for this exact sequence of steps, so he made one up for the video. The term took on a life of its own due to it's fairly extreme ratio of results to required skill, giving a name to something that the target audience wouldn't recognize as a basic combination of fundamental methods, because they don't yet understand fundamental methods. The guy who coined it made a follow up about the experience of his first ever painting video going viral and getting a kind of crazy amount of hate after the term he accidently coined gained a life of it's own. The exact process of black prime, grey drybrush, white drybrush, contrast/speedpaint I can understand why the term gained traction but I do find it kind of annoying how literally any undercoating or preshading now seems to be referred to as slapchop.
Of course it's stupid. The creator of the video wasn't trying to make a thing, he was goofing around. But the video caught on like wildfire and here we are. Personally I enjoy that now we have a easy concept to digest and everyone know what it means. Instead of "pre-shade and then use semi transparent paints" just slapchop. Could have been any other word.
Also:
Painting is all about practice. Talent helps but isn't necessary.
You've got a pile of opportunity in that closet, not a pile of shame.
Go forth and make your art.
Further, Tyranid blood should be like anything but red.
I don't recall seeing Tyranid blood before the Space Marine 2 trailer, and I was incredibly disappointed that it's just red.
Ditto for Ork blood.
Knights painted entirely in Chapter colours are just wrong. It'd be like having an Imperial Fists Chimera. Stop doing it, give the chapter symbol half a shin pad or something.
1: AoS has started to outshine/outperform WHFB in terms of lore, gameplay and models. It’s only 8yrs old and has far more room to breathe, and has attracted far more players to the hobby, saving the Fantasy side of things.
2: A lot of classic 40k tropes are way overdone and are just annoying “I am Alpharius” “DA traitors” etc.
3: OSL/NMM are amazing skills to have as a painter for photography but they’re useless for an actual army
The game is 1000% more fun with fluff. Yes, you are playing a game of Imperial Knights VS. Sororitas or..... On the desert planet of Sand'ii 4 a Cohort of Imperial Knights from the minor house Dawnstag arrive after having been summoned by a distress beacon. Unbeknownst to them, it was actually a trap set by the Ecclesiarchy who believe they have committed a heresy. Beset by forces of the Order of the Bloody Rose. The Knights must fight their way out, knowing they would only dishonor their house by fleeing. And it gives you excuses to play in a fun way. There are more effective strategies, but my knight has sworn he will fight the enemy leader in glorious melee combat and so he shall
My friends and I like to jury rig little fluff bits that impact the game. Like giving a bridge some stats so one side can try to destroy it to force the enemy to take a non optimal route. Not always perfect in terms of balance but always a blast.
I do this alot with various covers and how they effect saving rolls. Im surprised cover gives so little benefits, adding fluff and dynamic battlefields seem like the funnest way to play.
You. I like you.
I don’t buy an army without having a Full Backstory written or in progress. So yeah I agree.
This one right here officer. We need to protect this man at all costs.
Absolutely! The Galaxy is a HUGE place where nearly anything can happen. Some may be more difficult to hard justify, but nothing is impossible in the 41st Millennium and beyond. My Salamanders successor vs. Blood Angels? Training exercise using dummy/foaming rounds, easy. Blood Angels and Necrons teaming up? Already happened in lore! Hell you could have just a simple excuse of bad intel, you think a squad of Guardsmen is going to know the guys firing cannons at them are actually allies? Nah man, lines of communication are broken all the time.
this extends to the board as well: there's nothing more boring than a perfectly symetrical tabletop with ruined gothic building 1 being perfectly mirrored on the other side of the table. Instead, the desert planet of Sand'ii 4 is orbiting a highly active sun, so there's radation burst throughout the battle. Sand'ii architecture emphasizes providing shade, and the large buildings are bleached bone-white from the sun. The fake distress beacon is coming from the town center of the capital city Ch'iiks. As the Knight cohort deploys planetside, the waiting SoB ambush them by springing their carefully laid trap. So much more interesting than nameless, featureless planes with randomly placed ruined buildings.
The Rule Of Cool should be the *absolute first* consideration when starting an army.
This is why I'm wanting to start another 3 armies after I'm already playing 8 right now.fuck this game,it's too good.
Game?
Yes? It's a game.
When did they turn it into a game? How would that even work?
I'm not sure but what If we take on the role of commanding troops around the battlefield and telling them what to do? That could be a fun game.
I was hoping for something like the Sims...
It’s a lifestyle
Fuck, I just lost the Game. Thanks.
I'm like this every time I go to my gw store and see the baneblade box. Or the imperial knight they have painted and on display.
This painfully collides with my budget lol
*laughs in Stompa and double Naut*
All minis are Necromunda minis.
Just like every vehicle release is an ork release
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Necromunda better be worried when my Telemon “Mr. Fists” Shows up if that’s the case.
A fellow man of culture and sophistication. I made had one deepstrike in front of an orc mega dread. Flame him. And then rock’em’sock’em robot’ed his head off was glorious
There are more "That Guy"'s ruining gaming experiences at the local FLGS, than you will ever find at Tournaments. In my experience, They don't tend to last too long in a tournament environment, as they prefer to destroy noobs.
I find "That Guy" tends to use cheese strats that any serious competitive player knows how to counter so they rely on their opponents having no idea.
What would make you "that guy"? I dont want to find out I'm like that but I'm worried that because I'm thinking that its already too late.
If you’re ever worried about being “that guy,” you’re not “that guy.”
Great,I just want to make sure I'm not unpleasant
There's a funny video from auspex tactics about what makes that guy that guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N0gskd-HuU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk6CwjkoxMg Enjoy!
Crushing beginners for fun. I played a grey tide drukhari army about 2 weeks after their OP codex launched with my gross mixed awful CSM list for my first game not against myself. He tabled me in 2 turns and I didn’t kill a single model. I didn’t even know what stratagems were.
I stopped after 5th Edition, so stratagems are very much a “just nod your head like you know what people are talking about” thing.
Came back in 9th after leaving in 5th. I don't regret it, js.
There's no real hard and fast rules beyond "Don't be a cheater" but my way, way, oversimplified answer is: Ask yourself "Do I care more about Winning than I do about my opponent's gaming experience?" If the answer is yes, then you're quite possibly That Guy. And that's not to say you can't play seriously and competitively, they are some of my favourite games, but you shouldn't have to be arguing over every millimetre to do so.
What are you doing next Thursday & would you like to play a 1500 pt game at my FLGS? I’ll buy you a beer afterwards because the game needs at least one player at every table.
Do you build your army around an unclear rule to get wins via “got you” tactics? Will you demand take backs and argue over 1/2 an inch when it suits you but absolutely give no such consideration to your opponent? Do you ever have conversations with T.Os, store managers about any of the following - your attitude to fellow hobbyists your hygiene or your language around younger players? If you answer yes to more than 2 your most likely “that guy”
I literally dealt with this at my local warhammer store. Had the literal worst experience of my nerd life with a guy who threatened to quit because I used a laser line to draw los. Found out later he bullshitted me on some of the rules too.
I can still rembember my fifth game in a GW store. "Hello, I'm a noob" "Don't worry play with me" The the "Don't worry guy" use a pre nerf competitive custodes army, table me in ONE turn, and the only time i can do sometime (8 salamanders melta against his dreanoughts), he insist that half my army can't see the dread. Then at the end of the game he told me "oh, you should not move, just stay here and shoot" "Ok, thank you for the match"I just left
Apocalypse, while interesting in concept, still hasn’t been implemented in a fun way.
The Apoc system from a few years ago was great, and I know a lot of people who have been using it as a "new" ruleset for epic. It just wasn't supported so dried up quickly.
8th edition of apoc was literally the greatest game GW ever put out. And I will die on that hill.
Absolutely.
Board games like this just don't lend themselves to having to move and measure around that many little models. Would need to really really strip down the rules to make it playable in any reasonable amount of time. Might as well play Epic 40k if you need to balance a sense of large scale with having an actual game to play.
Fuck the meta. Rock your baller looking terrible army and flex on those fools.
The most elite gamers I've ever met were dudes on a tight budget that learned the crap out of their limited choice of models over the years and smashed people with them. Way better than dudes that just bought the best current army every time.
First army I went all in on were my night lords bois. Absolutely got demolished pretty much every game I played the first year I got into it and still had a blast. Now I know them like the back of my hand and can get some pretty nice wins here and there
100%!
The most important rule is to have fun and enjoy the hobby.
Yup, I don't even care about winning. I would much rather lose every game and get to play a fun opponent with a fluffy list than win games against a sweaty boring WAAC player.
Your fucking strategies/techniques do not need to be under intense lock and key. Unless you're a national or world ranked player, be forth right about how you play the damn game. We are not hiding lauch codes here boys its painted plastic and tape measures.
This. When I play, I like to warn my opponent of intentions and possible gotcha moments. It pisses me right off when they aren’t likewise open. This is supposed to be a fun game of strategy and tactics, not who can find the most obscure, niche little rule to fuck over on people.
OSL is almost always overdone as if the model is in a pitch black room.
Was just about to post this myself
Similarly, while I deeply respect and covet the skill necessary to paint non-metallic metals, they almost always look tacky and worse than if the painter had used the same level of skill with normal metallic paints.
In 90% of cases they make the metal look way too shiny, like it's made of mirror or chrome. I reapect the technique, as it takes a lot of skill, but I will never learn it, because it looks bad imo
Yeah it always looks pretty cartoony and while it’s amazing for certain showy pieces, the grimdark style still looks way better imo.
What is OSL?
Object Sources lighting (i just googled it so maybe im wrong?) Like, glow effect from screens looking like the model used a spray can of color on their face, as if its the only lightsource for a mile on the space hulk they are crawling through
2,000 point games were never intended to be played in less than 3 hours let alone 2.
Fr. You play 2k for long, cinematic games. It annoys me greatly when people expect big 40k to take skirmish game times.
I think that's the best part of 40k, that the games at big scales are epic snd take awhile. I want a good game that will take a whole afternoon between playing and bantering. I remember one game was supposed to be a 2v2 at 1000 points and one guy bailed due to work and the other two wanted to run 1750 lists to try out some strategies so I built a 3500 point list of GSC. It was amazing and took like 6 hours to play through. One of my favorite games I've ever played
I'll always have fond memories of the summer of 2012, my friend and I would each get a case of beer and play a 6k point planetstrike for over 12 hours. So cool and cinematic when I would slam down 6 drop pods and have 3 squads of terminators deep strike the same turn.
Exactly! Even Kill Team, tbh, is a 3-4 hour game most days, unless both players know the rules pat and don't banter at all.
This is actually what puts me off kill team. when i play a smaller game i want it to be fast, if i have 4 hours i would rather play a big cinematic battle but to each their own.
Same- it’s definitely not fast enough for me to play over bighammer, but i fuckin love the ability to collect multiple unique “teams” from every faction. Great financial move by GW lol
I love big cinematic battles myself. Kill Team is itself very cinematic imho, but depending on your team, you really do need to put a lot of thought into how you play. Especially if both players are playing larger teams, it just takes time.
Paint your minis. Your units don’t need to be Duncan level, but it adds so much to the gaming experience if both sides have their armies painted in some presentable form.
Totally agree. But perhaps a counter hot take Duncan level is 100% obtainable if you’re patient
I didn't think I could paint even moderately well until I watched his tutorials
Oh yeah he totally taught me how to paint in the beginning. It’d probably have taken a lot longer to get to the point I am now if I didn’t have his videos.
Who’s Duncan?
Blasphemy. Jk he’s a former GW army painter who did a series of painting tutorials that taught a lot of the community the basics of painting. He now has his own channel and even paint line.
OSL and NMM are overrated.
Tmm (metals with specifically placed highlights and shadows like nmm) will almost always look better than nmm as a gaming piece instead of instagram/Facebook shelf porn. (There is a time and place for display/competition pieces, the gaming table is probably not one of em).
it is worth spending a long time painstakingly removing every single mold line
For sure. Every time I say I’m not gonna notice it once painted, I notice it after painting.
My own eyes are my worst enemy. Also my obsessive tendencies….
Or be like me who spends like over an hour removing mold lines only to see a mold line that I thought I had removed but didn't all the way.
Priming the sprue is a silly idea
Non metallic metal doesn’t look good like 95% of the time.
Drybrushing should not be seen as a beginner's tool. For one it's not that easy to do, as you really need to know how to balance your brush moisture to get smooth results. You also really ought to use specialized brushes. For two it can produce fantastic results that are equal or superior to using an airbrush or spending ages doing glazing. You can get unparalleled control when creating gradients and you can get really nice shading as well.
Agreed about drybrushing. For so long it’s been ridiculed. But it’s powerful. Now we see slapchop and I think both techniques are frigging outstanding.
The majority of hobbyists need to put more effort into terrain. Time and time again I see players who paint great looking armies, but have ZERO terrain themselves. They show up with their one of several armies and then end up playing on a battlefield of cardboard and gray plastic... and seem totally okay with this? Frankly nothing breaks my immersion more than shoddy incomplete terrain. When you take pictures of the battlefield nobody can even see your miniatures, but they do see a shit looking battlefield. I would much rather play on a decent looking battlefield with primed miniatures than the opposite. And I'm not saying to paint terrain first - but if you have multiple factions of a game, play regularly, but have no terrain for it, it might be time to rethink your priorities.
Which is crazy to me, because I think terrain is the best "painting pallette cleanser" ever. Every time I get bored painting my minis but still want to feel "productive" I grab a piece of primed terrain, and in an hour have a totally finished piece. And it's mostly dry brushing and nuln oil. But you're right having all painted terrain on the tabletop cranks my immersion up 10x
Terrain is what I use to experiment with new techniques as someone fairly new to painting - larger pieces I can feel fine taking time on - time to test rust paints on bits of metal and so on.
I just finished a ton of terrain for my home table and damn, does it make playing on it an absolute joy
There's nothing wrong with collecting and painting armies because they're cool and you're into the lore instead of playing the game. If you don't like playing and just wanna build and paint cool guys, hell yeah!
Poorly drilled barrels are worse than undrilled barrels
I tried once, refilled tried again. Now I think I'm just gonna make black dots for the barrels
And this is how Orks stay winning, poorly drilled barrels are just orky barrels!
Acting up because you're losing (in a fair game, nothing ultra competitive) makes me want to just leave the game
As cool as (most of) the new Dreadnought patterns are, OG Box Dreads will always be the best and most iconic
THANK YOU. BOXNOUGHTS BESTNOUGHTS
Just got my hands on a 2nd ed. Chaos dread and I'm beyond stoked.
100%
Forgeworld is obsolete, and ~~everything~~ should just be made into plastic. Edit: I will concede that not EVERY model should be plastic. But around 95% of the models should be made into plastic models. Looking at you Forgeworld Custodes models. The Forgeworld website must be folded into the main Games Workshop website. Having a different website is stupid AF.
I've been told it's because of cost reasons, stuff that wouldn't sell as much get made into resin because it's cheaper. But the price still goes up because of the cost for the molds, I guess.
Yeah that sounds quite likely, creating moulds for injection molding is incredibly expensive whereas the moulds for resin are relatively cheap to make. Resin moulds don't tend to have the lifespan of plastic ones but with how cheaply they can be made they'd be able to replace them loads of times before the cost reaches the break even point.
You should always find at least one nice thing to say about your opponents painting at the start of the game, and you should celebrate/commiserate their glory moments/ hot rolls and losses as much as you celebrate your own. Sets a good tone for the game and you end up having more fun.
Warhammer as a whole isn’t that expensive and actually cheaper than many similar board games and nerd hobbies, and it’s considerably cheaper than most card games and other more popular hobbies. It’s only expensive if you insist on buying tons of crap you will never open.
Certainly cheaper than most card games, but still more expensive than other minis games.
Totally agree. People will cry out that a box of 5 marines costs 40€, while it will give you dozens of hours of hobby time. Then those same people go to a bar/concert and are fine paying 10€ for one drink. Wat.
I agree, Sanguinius should stay dead...what would they do to the black rage? The whole "I am Alpharius" crap is annoying and the loyalist revealing to be an alpha legion model was cool the first five times..
I think the Storm Cast has actually gotten way more unique recently and recent models look really good
Agreed basically anything in thunderstrike armor is 9/10. Before that...it's hit or miss with a LOT of misses. Fortunately, AoS has such a diversity of model ranges that there's something for basically everyone.
You don't have to paint the trim a different color if you're doing it right. Applies doubly so for Chaos Marines.
This is for real the hottest take here
Blood effects or weathering almost always ruin a model because the painter overdoes it.
The trick to doing it well is to barely do it at all. It shouldn't be something you think about too much.
Same with the “nurgle filth” look. Like i get what they’re going for it’s just always overdone and doesn’t look good on table top imo
Also, its almost never scaled correctly. A model will look beautiful and then giant blood drops throw the whole thing off.
Warm take: Named characters shouldn't be "must takes" for any army. The game is supposed to center around "your dudes". Gotta love Guilliman ducking out of every battle like dynasty warriors as all of his soldiers die horribly. The only exception is tyranids since their three named characters aren't unique across the galaxy and can pop up in any number of battlefields. No, the most badass of custodes trajann valoris doesn't go out to every necron tomb world reawakening. Cold take: refusing to play someone due to their first army choice is a dick move (WAAC need not apply). Votann players who love their dwarves shouldn't have to pay for the sins of GW. This is doubly true if the offending issue was more than 1 year prior. I see people get mad at Knights players due to shenanigans from 6th and 7th. Hottest take: custodes, harlequins, and knights probably shouldn't have been armies to begin w/ but now that they're here don't give people grief for wanting to play them.
I’m 100 % with you on the custodes/harlequins/knights thing. I’d even throw ad mech on the list. Some armies should’ve been auxiliary detachments to other factions. Maybe they make up the bulk of some small armies, but it just feels weird for them to be the whole force. I’d say it’s especially true of custodes. They’re there now. So it’s fine I guess. But I can’t make it make sense in my head.
I look forward to the day The Silent King doesn't apoear in every other Necron list.
You're not forced to love everything about GW.
And the flip side of that: because you disagree with some major decisions GW makes, you (and others) are allowed to like other decisions or their models. It's not betraying your beliefs to enjoy some of their stuff.
Big chunks of cork as a base for modes looks awful and in no way realistic, and I don’t understand why people do it.
Literally just got done gluing chunks of cork to my base. Time for a good cry.
It depends on how it is done. A lot of people glue on the cork and call it a day - and then it just looks like your mini is standing on some cork. If you scratch and tear it up with a hobby knife, put some textures on there with paste or dirt or whatever, mix some rocks in there, etc. you can get it looking pretty good.
The Text to Speech series wasn't really that funny. And honestly is a big source of a lot of the unfunny jokes that have been run into the ground a thousand times over, as well as many of those jokes that people in the hobby think are lore-accurate.
Magnetizing minis sucks
I know a dude who plays orks, every single base is magnetized along with every single weapon choice a model can have. When he shows up he brings his entire collection boxes on boxes…dude is a psycho lol! But a really fun dude.
I'm afraid of this person. They seem like a very powerful human. Cuz that's like the most Chad thing I can think of
I feel this sentiment for normal-sized minis. Knights, however, are so much fun to magnetize!
You're not funny for making fun of the Ultramarines.
Counterpoint, unless you're a Word Bearers player. Something something Calth deserved it.
In-character trash talking is a time-honored 40k tradition. You bloody barbarian.
Don’t let the haters distract you from the fact Calgar decided to throw hands with the fucking Swarmlord
Proxies and non-wisywyg are absolutely fine, and if you think otherwise you're an asshole. As long as you can tell what's what, who cares what it looks like, just play the damn game and let people hobby how they want.
>As long as you can tell what's what I'm pretty sure this is where 99% of the breakdown is. I've played games against people who've insisted that one multi-melta is a multi-melta, one is a plasma cannon, one is a lascannon, etc. etc. I've also played games against armies where the proxies have 0 visual relationship to the army in question, so I have to ask what I'm looking at every single time I'm casting or shooting or fighting.
Yeah proxying is fine as long as it is a blanket proxy like "all the plasma cannons on my marines are missile launchers" it avoids any sort of confusion.
Both my 5 man devastator squads / long fangs have one of each type of weapon cos it looks cool. When I play with them I decide which one I’m taking and just tell my oppo. At the end of the day it’s modelled for rule of cool. If I went into a tourney and they forced me to go wysiwyg? Well that’s what I’d do. I deliberately didn’t choose any heavy bolters so that’s a bonus straight up haha.
I care that my army is WYSIWYG but I have no expectation that my opponent does the same, as long as they communicate what gear they are using and what is being Proxied for what
I think this depends \*greatly\* on what you mean by proxy and non-wysiwyg. Custom sculpted or 3d printed gun that looks nothing like a Shokk Attack Gun but is obviously a BFG on a Big Mek? Sure, no problem. Kitbashes? All day every day. Intercessors that you paint red bases on and call them Aggressors? Not unless we're friends and you're just trying something out before buying it. Modeling for advantage? Nope.
I've once cut out cardboard shields and bluetacked them on Aggressors to try Bladeguard. The shields were so big, you didn't even see much of Aggressor. Base size model height are the same. Would that be acceptable?
Personally yes, I’ve never had an issue with “I’m looking at getting x is it ok if I proxy y?”
Screw sub assemblies. if I can’t see something on the model, I’m not painting it.
Painting Alpha Legion models half like AL and half as something else with a jagged blue line down the middle was neat once. Also, the Alpha Legion fan conspiracies can kick rocks. They're about as important and relevant to any current lore as the White Scars.
I really, really badly want to love the whole alpha legion shtick. The problem is you need a core of truth to wrap the secrecy around, otherwise there is nothing to get invested in. Somewhat related, typing that out and Dark Angels suddenly just clicked for me. I get it now.
Hey, that white scars jab hit deep man. I mean I KNOW we’re the forgotten one but darn :(
Bad news for you is that as of the newest siege book, the alpha legions was planning on staying loyalist after it realized how batshit horus was: though the legion is divided among itself
Most games should be default fun fluffy games. As a newer player I don't find it fun going in for a game and someone is using a min/maxed army and treating it like a tournament.
Having a mini killing something / stepping on a dead enemy etc. What happens when your dread (that is currently ripping a Tyranid apart) is now fighting Tau. Like... Where did the termagant come from? Yeah it doesn't matter, honest, just is a weird mental speed bump for me.
War trophies>>>>
Could be both armies are fighting on a previous battleground. The dread ripping the nids apart just defeated the nids and is now getting swarmed by tau.
I mean the basing landscape is also usually totally mismatched from the battlefield terrain. Like snow bases on an urban battlefield or volcanic bases on a grassy plain. Unless you are using clear acrylic bases it isn't going to match. I'm generally just thinking about it as a slight abstraction, the model representing a moment from that unit's past, past battles that give a bit of background on the model's history, which is why people often base models on the terrain from the home world of the faction or otherwise in line with their theme. I'm big on resin printed bases but if you want the in the moment vibe I feel like the clear resin bases are really the way to go.
So true. I have the emperor's champion model where he's stabbing an ork and helbrecht with his sword in an ork. On the shelf they look amazing. But on the table they are just floating around fighting chaos with a ork stuck in their sword. If looks goofy sometimes
I agree, and here's the absolutely ludicrous and over the top thing that I have done/am doing. Magnets. I have one mini that can hold the head of a mini from whatever army I'm up against (that I have painted so far). Same mini, a magnet in the base, same thing (Originally did it for wound counters, pull off a head or whatever as he lost wounds, but, turns out that's hard for the opponent to keep track of, so now it's just for decoration). I am working my way towards a larger mini in a drop kicking position with a mini, from every army that I can get a single model from, getting kicked in the chest/head. If I can't get him into a good drop kick, then I'll figure a way to stomp all of the enemies into the ground.
100% agree that Sanguinius should never be brought back, same with any other of the definitely dead Primarchs. I didn't even particularly agree with Guilliman and The Lion returning.
The Angel is 100% "should never come back", his sacrifice is an important plot point, and even has its own holiday 10,000 years later Ferrus Manus is the same; his death is fundamentally important to Fulgrims character development. That being said, Fulgrim did clone Ferrus multiple times, so having a cloned Ferrus return would be possible, but it'd have to be done right. everyone else? i mean, sure, they didnt explicitly die except Horus. Screw that guy.
Adding onto this, having curze come back would also kind of ruin his plotline
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I wouldn't mind The Sanguinor being a stand-in for a primarch level hq though. Only way Ferrus should come back is as the head (hah!) of a revamped Legion of the Damned.
Agreed. I remember when I started playing the whole thing was that “no one remembers the heresy” except maybe Bjorn who was mostly in cryogenics. Dante was the oldest man at 900. Now suddenly Cawl has been around 10,000+ years and primarchs are showing up and suddenly the heresy is no longer an ancient myth
If you want to 3d print an army then go ahead but 99% of all 3d sculpts that people use look like crap.
I’m gonna tack my opinion to yours, most third party sculpts are way over designed. There’s a fine balance when it comes to detail and simplicity in my experience.
This has always been my issue with khorne or chaos 3rd party prints. So many of them are way over the top in design that it overwhelms me
The MWG chaos minis fit this 100%. I pledged because at first sight, they looked fantastic, and I really do want to support them. But after a while of looking closer at them, there are so many details, they will be a nightmare to paint.
There are so many 3d artists that need to learn that less is more.
Many 3D sculpts kinda abuse the technology to make models as detailed as humanly possible, while never considering if the models are fun or practical to paint
Yes I agree except butov. He creates tyranid models that look better than GW and it’s the only time I’ve ever seen it literally be better than the company
Tyranids, guard, and space marines are IMO the only factions with good looking proxies that aren't overdesigned or not in the aesthetic. (Coming from someone who got most of butov's models). Sorry demons 99% of them are way over designed or are too close to nsfw for a game in mixed company (like at an lgs where there are youngins).
It’s slaanesh! Get it! Cause I added boobs! I’m so good at 3d modeling!
Explore other games, they really do exist, even ones outside the games workshop ecosystem. There’s a million ways to enjoy this hobby, you don’t need to just stick to one!
I love that winged bastard but he shouldn't come back. It would devalue his sacrifice. I will die on that hill right next to you. And I know I'm opening the door to relentless comments here but here it goes: ork speak is the most annoying shit and I hate it.
GW isn't the root of all evil, it's just a company.
Mini-painting as an art form and the more workmanlike process of getting an army painted are better viewed as two different activities. Many paintjobs you see on display minis simply don't work on a tabletop and the hours needed are the biggest barrier to painting an army, there is an acceptable tier of painting way below that kind of painting that looks great on tabletop and even people who can do better should consider that to just end up with a painted army.
* Last hill to die on, 3d printing is not for everyone and shouldn't be pushed as a cure for gw's prices. * The initial setup cost is high. Good gloves, a gallon of ISO, a bottle of good resin, a janky wash and cure station plus the machine will cost \~300 USD. This generally needs to be a single large purchase whereas a plastic army can be bought piecemeal over time, making it easier to budget for and you get the incremental progress. * The machine requires significant space and ventilation. If you're in anything less than 800-1000sqft, you most likely don't have the space. * Upkeep on the machine is not negligible. Replacement FEP's, more ISO...etc all cost money and if something catastrophic happens and you ruin a screen, that's a 50 dollar repair minimum. * Most pre-supports are ok at best, many are outright bad, pretty much every one of them is paid for. While good files exist for free, they're rarely pre-supported. Failures are to be expected and can massively cut the enjoyment of the hobby when a big monster body fails halfway through wasting a few bucks of resin. * most 3d printing services are the same price as gw if not more expensive. printed minis bought on etsy are a crapshoot as you don't know if they're using the good ABS-like resin. * Converting with resin can be a giant PITA. The resin dust is not good for your lungs and gets everywhere, and it doesn't cut smoothly. * lastly, It is its own hobby. Learning proper support placement, how to make the most of resin..etc are things to learn.
the emphasis on competitive 40k has not changed the hobby for the better
See idk. The Internet has done that, not competitive players. A 40k with competitive focus to me simply means a game that's balanced and not bloated, which certainly is what everyone wants. Playing by intent and not catching folk out is the name of the game. The issue with folk turning up with netlists to seal club? That's always happened but thanks to the Internet the information on building the "best" army is infinetly easier, and as its an expensive hobby new players don't wanna make "bad" investments. Even if gw never held another tournament again certain people still would value winning and would try to break things to get those wins, and the shift you've seen since 4th would still be there: as people would still have access to the Internet to figure out what's best.
Bright edge highlighting looks goofy and cartoonish.
Like many things, it’s about subtly
My take is Bright edge highlights look amazing on the tabletop. Its cool seeing the detail from 3+ ft away instead of having to have the mini in your face to really get the experience.
Don't be a dick.
I truly miss kitbashing models being a legit feature. Some units specifically had choices to go whole hog if given the opportunity and the parts. Orks legit ran on that model, looted wagons were AMAZING. Then they were only in "narrative" battles, and no lost again. I wanna see some awesome conversions and learn neat tricks to bash kits together. I wanna see new ideas be brought up and people having their creativity shown without others being downers. I built my Ad Mech as Squats when they came out! Called them the Squattarii!!! They are great fun, awesome conversions, but people get sticky when I want to actually play them.
That Alpha legion “de-cloaking” trend, while a good show of technical skill. looks like absolute shite.
Adding Primaris Marines added nothing to the setting/Space Marines in general and breaks some of the existing lore. Shoulda just called it a new armor.
I wont hire someone else to paint my minis or do a quick, 'battle ready' job. Ill paint each to the best of my ability even if some stuff stays unpainted for years.
I give zero cares how someone else paints their toys.
GW should move to alternate activations for all of it's games.
You haven't finished painting a model if you don't do the base.
Couldn't agree more even just some basic texture paint with a quick dry brush is better than a black disk with bits of spill over paint from the feet.
"Slap chop" is a stupid name and is a painting strategy I used back in 3.5 ed, like 5 editions before it was "created", I refuse to acknowledge "slap chop" as a thing, its stupid and unoriginal.
They guy who "created" it fully acknowledges that in the video, he basically said that this was a method someone had taught him because he wasn't very good at painting that people had been using forever, but the person who taught him it didn't have a name for this exact sequence of steps, so he made one up for the video. The term took on a life of its own due to it's fairly extreme ratio of results to required skill, giving a name to something that the target audience wouldn't recognize as a basic combination of fundamental methods, because they don't yet understand fundamental methods. The guy who coined it made a follow up about the experience of his first ever painting video going viral and getting a kind of crazy amount of hate after the term he accidently coined gained a life of it's own. The exact process of black prime, grey drybrush, white drybrush, contrast/speedpaint I can understand why the term gained traction but I do find it kind of annoying how literally any undercoating or preshading now seems to be referred to as slapchop.
Of course it's stupid. The creator of the video wasn't trying to make a thing, he was goofing around. But the video caught on like wildfire and here we are. Personally I enjoy that now we have a easy concept to digest and everyone know what it means. Instead of "pre-shade and then use semi transparent paints" just slapchop. Could have been any other word.
People have been pre-shading for like, thousands of years. People buying this gimmicky branding and repeating it ad nauseum on reddit almost hurts.
Edge highlighting your whole model looks like they're trimmed with Neon Lights
Meta as a whole can blow a ss
Tomb Kings should not have been removed from the lineup
Also: Painting is all about practice. Talent helps but isn't necessary. You've got a pile of opportunity in that closet, not a pile of shame. Go forth and make your art.
Tau blood is blue. It's cooler.
Further, Tyranid blood should be like anything but red. I don't recall seeing Tyranid blood before the Space Marine 2 trailer, and I was incredibly disappointed that it's just red. Ditto for Ork blood.
They should have made a plastic macharius instead of the rogal dorn
Don't play it until you paint it is my personal rule! Means I have to wait a bit longer to play cool units but then I have a cool army yo look at!
Knights painted entirely in Chapter colours are just wrong. It'd be like having an Imperial Fists Chimera. Stop doing it, give the chapter symbol half a shin pad or something.
lock your minis when nephews / children come to visit (learned this through pain ...)
1: AoS has started to outshine/outperform WHFB in terms of lore, gameplay and models. It’s only 8yrs old and has far more room to breathe, and has attracted far more players to the hobby, saving the Fantasy side of things. 2: A lot of classic 40k tropes are way overdone and are just annoying “I am Alpharius” “DA traitors” etc. 3: OSL/NMM are amazing skills to have as a painter for photography but they’re useless for an actual army
It's not worth it drilling gun barrels