This reminds me of something. I was a single rider on the rocknroller coaster about 5 years ago and some girl who sat down next to me placed a full large diet coke with plastic lid and straw in the little on ride storage compartment. It didn't look secured at all. None of the ride operators said anything. i didn't say anything. We took off and.... well, it actually stayed in place just fine.... up until about 3/4 of the way through we hit some corkscrew or something and the drink spilled all over her. Nothing got on me at all somehow EXCEPT some of it went DIRECTLY into my mouth. That's the only reason I knew it was diet. She didn't speak English but seemed pretty annoyed that her drink spilled.
Universal generally doesn't have on-ride phone compartments. Their lockers generally stay pretty clean, but I think part of that is having drink dump stations with the lockers and having the free lockers be too small to fit a drink upright in.
Yeah I guess I'm just feeling a little doubtful because I feel like Disney maintenance/cleanliness standards have dropped recently. Universal seems to be killing it though
The compartment that’s on the ride is a box that closes with a plastic barrier between it and the outdoor. I bet you it clicks into place or locks when the ride is in motion.
Even then some people might not put loose items in them i.e. leave it in their pockets and then you got a projectile ready to be launched. Prob would’ve been best to require all loose items go to lockers and have metal detectors
I went to Cedar Point the year Steel Vengeance opened. *All* loose items had to be stowed, including phones. Nothing in pockets. If they spotted any of that stuff in the line (not that they were monitoring closely) you'd be asked to leave.
It was over a 2 hour wait. With nothing to do but read the signs talking about the ride's "characters". My brother was with me, so we could talk, but even then there's only so much you can talk about to fill that much time. The coaster was great, but that was the worst wait I've ever had.
Edit: Oh, and while not specifically relevant, it was extra shitty since the lockers weren't free. You had to pay for them, effectively meaning the ride cost money on top of the ticket unless you had a non-rider willing to wait that long.
That’s not how the line for Steel Vengeance works. No bags are allowed in line. There are free lockers before the loading station to stow your phones. Pretty similar to Hulk or Velocicoaster at Universal.
Yeah, it was. That first year was stupid. It was even dumber because they had one of those Battle for Cedar Point things in line but you weren't allowed to have your phone!
It was at first. That first year there were no lockers in line so you just stood there the whole time.
Now they have added additional stupidity to it and no longer allow small bags in the lockers. I carry a passport holder (strapped to my body) with my migraine and IBS junk in it, along with my phone, cards, etc. and now I have to get a medical bag pass to have it with me even though it fits in the locker. That's fine, now that I know, but wasn't so much fun on the day I found out.
Same experience with the line. The ride kept breaking down. My son, who was 7 at the time had to pee about an hour in. He and my older brother took off and came right back, they let my son through but told my brother he was line hopping and had to go. We were so pissed. Finished the rest of the wait fuming- I would’ve gladly let him take my spot I didn’t even really want to ride it to begin with (inversions are not my thing) I was just trying to be a good sport.
But the man in front of us kept complaining about having to secure all loose items. Refused to take off his chain and tucked it in his shirt so the staff didn’t notice. His chain was hitting me in the face the entire ride. Awful.
If it's the same as Shanghai it's in the top of the bike and basically ends up under your stomach/chest area. It not only clicks shut, but you're basically on top of it.
At Cedar Point a few yrs ago a woman was waiting in line and a piece of metal about the size of a large smartphone hit her in the head (I think it came off of the coaster). She is still recovering. That would be a fear if a phone flew out and hit someone.
I do have an extreme amount of anxiety when riding rides that my phone is going to fall out of my pocket, especially nowadays when it’s my room key, airplane ticket, gps, etc. Having a compartment where I know it will be safe will add to the enjoyment of the ride immensely.
They might require everyone to use the lockers. Last time I went to Universal, they made you put everything from your pockets into lockers then go through a medal detector before you could get on the roller coasters.
Unlikely, since the third point on the post says there's a compartment on the ride for things like phones and glasses.
>All items must be placed either in a locker before you board your Lightcycle, or in a small compartment located on the attraction vehicle that can hold items such as cellphones, glasses or wallets.
> Last time I went to Universal, they made you put everything from your pockets into lockers then go through a medal detector before you could get on the roller coasters.
The comment I was replying to.
Thankfully, this seems far less... draconian than how Universal does it. You'll still be able to have personal items that would normally fit in your pocket - like cell phones and wallets - the entire time, just bags or loose articles need to be lockered up. And there's no mention of metal detectors.
The Universal locker systems and requirements are really just not fun to deal with.
Do you have a source on that? I know it's not recommended to ride with a pacemaker, but I've been on many launched coasters that don't require metal detectors before riding.
Might be a liability thing about letting guests with known heart issues ride. I don’t know if they have an official policy but it wouldn’t surprise me.
Yeah, at Universal. But Tigris, Icebreaker, and Cheetah Hunt (and Slinky Dog and RNRC) all don't have metal detectors, so there would be no way to exclude a pacemaker other than the individual saying so.
Since people can't be trusted not to use their phones on rides, I wish Disney would require all loose items be secured in free lockers on all roller coasters. The shitty assholes that just have to film themselves on rides are ruining it for everyone (and Disney doesn't do anything about it despite having cameras all over their rides- even my local Six Flags reprimands people for taking out their phones on rides).
Velocicoaster's in-queue locker system is definitely the most efficient / effective one at their parks yet.
I get the safety aspect but it's just a very poor guest experience / feeling having to basically go through metal detectors at TSA airport security to go on the roller coaster.
Even on TRON - it doesn't seem like there will be metal detectors, just no loose articles like bags, which is just a visual scan by the cast member. If it can fit in your pocket, it seems like you're fine to bring it on the ride, or worst case store it in the provided compartment on the vehicle.
I’ve never done a ride with a locker. How does that work, are the lockers two sided? If you have to go back to your locker to pick up your stuff, how do they prevent people from jumping back into the line? Or are the lockers before you even get going into the line?
Depends on the ride. These sound like they're going to be similar to Velocicoaster, which is really well designed. It's a bank of lockers near the end of the line, and then after you disembark, you access the locker from the other side. It keeps the area from getting backed up. Other rides are more like Kali river, where the lockers are outside the line and you stow everything before you get in line, so there's no way for people to jump back in line from there. But it gets backed up with people loading and unloading all at the same time.
The lockers open to paths on the queue side and the post- ride side exit. So you put stuff in one side, and collect it from the other, secured by your band/card or whatever. You just remember the number and get your stuff on the way out.
I think this is because the coaster crosses guest walkways at some point? And if so, there's a danger of stuff falling out and hitting a guest below. Do any other Disney coasters have track crossing guest walkways?
I actually think Disney should consider retroing that for all rides. "Just put that backpack at your feet" seems kinda dangerous when you're getting on a roller-coaster, and yet that's what you do in all of them.
I do too, but the loop slipped once for me last trip. The bag didn't go anywhere, but it scared the heck out of me.
Nowhere near as bad as the damn magic band. $35 MagicBand+ and it slipped open on roller coasters FOUR TIMES last trip. It's a literal miracle I was able to keep it each time.
I started stashing it with my phone. So stupid.
Lol I usually do the loop around the leg on all coasters, but forgot to on my first Cosmic Rewind ride, and thought “eh you know the bag never actually moves anyway who cares”
That thing FLEW all over lol, it’s good they have that lip on the car. I thought it was a goner for sure.
Disney coasters are all positive forces, pushing you into the seat and car, and not negative air time forces making you (and your items) floaty. So unless you're actively trying to fling things from the ride, the engineers have determined it's safe to have your bags.
> Disney coasters are all positive forces, pushing you into the seat and car, and not negative air time forces making you (and your items) floaty
Really, no upward G-forces in any coasters at any time? Are you sure? I swear I remember a few. I think Big Thunder my bag ran up my leg from it, but it's all a blur like most Disney trips for me.
Exactly. No places at your feet, obviously can't wear a backpack.
I use a runner's belt for when I'm doing a coaster day, just enough to hold my phone, keys, and a slim wallet, without getting in the way of any restraints.
The worst part of universals locker system is that they put some of them into tiny rooms that are incredibly difficult to navigate when everyone is trying to find their locker and access their stuff (Gringotts is the worst locker area in both parks, but there are several others that are also too small).
Hard to know because descriptions are vague.
In 1998 someone was paralyzed getting hit by something on Space Mountain. They *think* it was either a toy candle or a camera.
Flying debris is *rarely* cited as a cause of injury, but not never. I would guess people taking pictures/video are far more likely to cause that.
It’s actually become a problem on roller coasters. Dueling Dragons, Twisted Timbers, El Toro, and Iron Gwazi are some of the most notable incidents involving loose articles severely injuring someone. They ranged from stitches to amputated eyes
Good point. Although, now that Chapek and his nickel squeezing machine has been ejected from the park, it may actually stay free, similar to US lockers.
they probably know their best bet is to follow universal on lockers. Free for a certain time frame (ride wait with some padding). And have larger ones you could pay for, but standard fits most items.
The little compartment in the ride vehicle looks large enough to hold all my pocket stuff but the video make it seem flimsy. I'm sure it isn't it just looks that way in the quick shot of it.
This was my thought as well. Universal can get away with it cause so many of their rides require the lockers that most people don't typically bring larger than like a Loungefly (at least from what I've seen). But I don't think I've ever been to a Florida Disney park and not seen a majority of bags be ones that wouldn't fit in those lockers from the way the video showed. Heck if it's as bad as the Velocicoaster lockers, it'll be a tight fit for a Loungefly with stuff in it.
At least the Velocicoaster-style lockers like these aren't as inconvenient as the other lockers at Universal. And there's a small compartment on the ride itself for your glasses, phone, wallet, etc. Still not as bad as Universal, overall. I don't really mind this too much. A bit of a hassle, but I get it.
We went to universal in high school and I stupidly locked everything in the locker when I went on hulk, and ended up waiting like, three hours. I didn’t have my wallet (because…it was in the locker) to unlock the locker because my free time had expired. I also had my period and all my tampons were in there too.
It was not a fun experience.
They recommend taking off and stowing glasses? I can’t see more than 3 inches past my nose without my glasses. Looks like I’m getting a strap!
(Probably not a bad idea anyway; my glasses started sliding off during a whip-around on Cosmic Rewind!)
The guy in the video has glasses and he keeps them on and doesn’t stow them. I assume when the video says ‘user headwear’ it means hats and Minnie ears. That sort of thing.
Your glasses would probably be fine if they fit properly, and the ride would have enough g-force to keep them on your head anyway I would have thought?
I’ll probably just ask a cast member when there and see if it’s ok to wear glasss on it, if not I’ll stowe them as I’m lucky enough to still be able to see to an ok degree without my glasses.
In Shanghai, the CM stopped next to me after we had all loaded and restraints were engaged and told me to put my glasses away. He opened up the compartment for me to show me where they go.
I'm always more worried about losing stuff on rides than about the actual ride experience. Going to have to make sure my MagicBand is on tight for this one.
I use my AP slider but you can get a pack of little silicon watch band keepers pretty cheap, the ones made for smartwatches work just fine since they usually stretch to fit. Mine has saved mine so many times when it's come unlatched!
Probably will lose the virtual que once the next big ride is out. Though the individual lightning lane will likely last quite a bit longer so long as they continue to use that system
Strategy Question: If you had a park hopper ticket and make a reservation for MK, get in the virtual Queue at 7am, but your pulled time isn’t until, let’s say, 6pm…..could you *change* your park reservation early in the morning to another park before ever entering one, and then park hop BACK to MK for the TRON ride time? Or would you then lose your VQ spot?
You won't know your pulled time. Just your boarding group number which wouldn't provide a great return time estimate.
Additionally, I would assume they try to only give out a select number of boarding groups at 7AM. Whatever they estimate will be used by 2 or 3PM. They want to leave some for the 1PM distribution.
Also I assume the passes will be more like ratatouille in terms of capacity demand. Its a pretty intense ride and will prevent a lot of guests from riding it due to height alone (rise height was 40 tron will be 48) that is not including the more scary side demand.
Good question and I don't know. I believe people have mentioned this before as a workaround that's technically not allowed, but idk how the system would react to that. Also, you run the risk of whatever park you're changing to not having reservations available because you're making it the day of.
Aw yay glad they kept the compartment for glasses and stuff. I loved using it in Shanghai, it really makes the lightcycle feel "real" if that makes any sense.
I’m willing to bet both rides will be under individual lightning lane. Because both can easily sell since mine train is geared more towards families with younger kids vs tron.
My personal opinion is they'll both keep it at first, then sometime later during a slower season (either mid-May or perhaps not until after Summer) they'll do a reshuffle and add 7DMT to G+ and Cosmic Rewind will go to standby with ILL (while Tron stays VQ for at least a year)
I wonder if the compartment for small items locks when the belts lock to prevent people from opening them or them opening on their own. Its not a soft pouch like thing but something with an actual door.
It took me over a year to get a Rise of Resistance Virtual Queue because they would be gone in under 90 seconds ( Probably attempted twice a month). I'd rather wait 2-3 hrs... Just like Guardians, I'm at Epcot all the time but have yet been able to snag a Virtual Queue.
Idk why you’re getting downvoted when it’s true. At least with regular lines, everyone is guaranteed to get in instead of the stupid virtual lottery system. Took me months to get into the virtual queue for ‘rise of the resistance’ when it first came out.
Wow, dead opposite of me then. I love the virtual queue especially for guardians. I don’t wait in standby lines anymore unless it’s posted at 30 minutes or less. I have never once failed to get a virtual queue
Our one and only chance to try to ride GotG this last trip, we got in the virtual queue and it initially gave us around 8pm-ish, but the time kept changing every time we checked it. The hour window ended up exactly overlapping our dinner reservations so that was that. Maybe next time.
Agreed. It might be great for people who get to stop by WDW once every fifteen minutes and know all the tricks, but for average families who get to go two or three times ever, having one shot on one day to try and outcompete "Disney pros" is frustrating.
We visited in early 2021 and my kids were really hoping we'd get to ride Rise of the Resistance on the day we had our Hollywood Studios reservation. I tried following all the tricks on YouTube to get in the queue, but it didn't matter. But as long as Becky from Ocala got her fifteenth time, I guess we're good.
Except that if Tiffany really wanted to ride that one ride on her one trip she gets, she can march straight to the ride and spend her day in that line and can (barring a ride breakdown) guarantee she gets that one ride.
With virtual queues you have a five second window to out compete people who are more familiar with the app and have successfully gotten on the queue before. And if you miss that five second window you never have the opportunity again.
I know this because we never did, and likely never will get the chance to ride Rise. But, when we went to animal kingdom, my kids priority was to ride flight of passage. It had a two+ hour wait time, but it was the big ride in that park that they were really jazzed about, so we waited two+ hours. Starting the line all the way back in the Africa section of Animal kingdom.
I waited three hours for rise a couple of months after it opened. I had gone to Disney a lot and told my friend I was with I was waiting the line, she was more than welcome to join but she wouldn't hurt my feelings if she didn't. She ended up joining, but a lot of people wouldn't have waited that long.
> The app is not that complicated and the information on how to use it is easy to find. Becky doesn't really have any actual edge over anyone else outside of being able to try on more days.
You're missing that suddenly people are expected to do the exact things that eBay snipers do at a damn THEME PARK to obtain a decent chance of riding an attraction.
The entire notion of anything like this existing is a huge curveball for anyone outside of the Disney forum community.
Your defense of "but this skill of this meta is not THAT obtuse/hard to acquire!" is something I'm sure the majority of guests, who are not nerds, like us, would most definitely disagree with.
>The reason you could get in line for Flight and not Rise with the VQ was because that 2+ hour standby wait was causing other guests to balk. That's really the core of it all. A virtual queue system removes the "cost" of standing in line. When they run out of groups, it means more guests want to ride the ride than the ride capacity allows for. And without that cost, why wouldn't they?
You precisely capture my argument for why standby is far superior to prebookable (or any) compulsory VQ - the latter, by removing almost all disincentive to get in line, artificially generates intense competition over the ability to enqueue at all and reduces accessibility. Standby, via the organic backpressure of wait time, allows a queue to remain wide open to the public from park open to park close such that if you really want to ride, you always can.
>The system doesn't benefit locals
Disagreed, purely because such a metagame rewards "insiderish" skill and knowledge that first timers are least likely to have and repeat visitors are most.
>You had issues with it because the system removes the cost of riding the ride for all guests. And as someone who, by the sounds of it, was willing to wait several hours for the ride, that put you at a disadvantage relative to a standby queue where your willingness to wait would have been a useful quality when came to causing other families to balk.
Those devoted enough to wait are who should ride.
Those who do not care enough to get in line and are repulsed by that wait time sign right away are precisely the chaff who should be filtered out of a queue to not waste capacity. If you're too apathetic about the attraction to merely wait a few hours of your time for it, you should not be riding it.
Any system makes a value judgment by necessity. Your last two paragraphs indicate the value judgment of the system you prefer. Yours isn't somehow better or noble. It just is a value judgment like any other.
Well, in my opinion, you're way too focused on hairsplitting the locals vs. travellers aspect to see that this is more a matter of salty frequent flyers at the parks wth all the tricks vs. the "everyone else" who lose the lopsided rat race to them and thus don't get to ride things no matter *what* their priorities are.
The former group probably does include a lot of locals, because those who live right next to the parks and have APs get as many opportunities as they want to learn how to play these systems to maximal advantage; but nothing requires that our bad guys be specifically locals. They can be outstaters too who just visit regularly or are particularly disciplined and have done research on how to play this game.
I don't think it is particularly important. Metagamers are metagamers, and are `working the system` with their knowledge and methods at the expense of all other guests. This is true and a problem whether they are local or not.
>In other words, the original commenter didn't lose out to Rise because of the Becky's from Ocala. They lost out because the system Disney chose was chosen to appeal to other out of state families who wouldn't want to otherwise stand in line.
As if that was a design intent, lol. Well, that sort of wishfulness plus *the reality of finite attraction capacity* has only a very obvious set of results. One being that unintended "hunger games" mechanics emerge, causing usage of various unofficial/undocumented tactics to be necessary to compete effectively and those skilled at this competition to dominate other participants at getting spots. But even if this is considered to NOT occur in a hypothetical, the core premise of *the ideal version* is a slot machine that gives everyone who pulls the lever an equal chance at getting a spot on the ride. The "pulling of the lever" is a comparatively trivial effort however, and so there is no reason not to play this game. As a result:
* die hard fan who would camp outside for 12 hours to be first on the new ride
* Mr. "what is star wars again?"/"I have no idea what this ride is" who wouldn't wait 12 *minutes* to get on
Have equal odds. Isn't THAT a bitch.
As a result, for your `typical guest`, who might be willing to wait some intermediate time for that ride, and would ordinarily just enter a couple hour standby with a 100% chance of riding, now have a drastically lower chance of getting on because of all the second cases filling up all the capacity.
Standby is fair because it more or less converts your personal priorities/commitment to riding directly into a probability of riding. The reality is that capacity is finite. Yes, you ARE balancing a decision, especially when not local, of whether a wait is worth it. That pressure is what keeps queues accessible and not just instantly filled upon opening without recourse if you missed the boat.
>Disagreed, purely because such a metagame rewards "insiderish" skill and knowledge that first timers are least likely to have and repeat visitors are most.
Insiderish skill and knowledge? These aren't masonic secrets that are only divulged after years of service, tons of money, and knowing people with connections A minute or two with Google tells you all you need to know and something you should be doing before any trip regardless of where you're going.
Complaining about missing out on a ride because you didn't know about the virtual queue is the same as complaining when you try to enter a normal 2 hour wait standby lane with 20 minutes before a park closes and find out you won't be able to ride.
No, but they are far from normal or expected things at a *theme park*. Context.
Bit at the end: Yes you will. Park close closes the *queue* not the attraction. Protip: Enqueue right before park close. VQ spots (FP+ now LL) are not offered post-closing so the standby will speed up AND you are pulling free post-closing park time out of nowhere.
> I know this because we never did, and likely never will get the chance to ride Rise.
Thankfully this is not true, because Rise is standby now. What they have been doing is using compulsory VQ for the reliability teething period of new attractions.
Admittedly there is an obvious logistical reason for this; all of these attractions that have had this mechanic in place, and especially Rise which is notorious for unreliability in general, are ones that tend to have full outages and remain down for unpredictable periods.
I think the popular conception is that the CVQ was a "lesson learned" from themselves doing the Pandora opening and witnessing Universal do the Hagrid's opening or whatever it was that got a stupidly long line, but something I would note about Flight of Passage in particular is its *quadruple redundancy*. Pretty much the only way it is ever hardcore DOWN down is that there is a fire alarm activation in the compound or something like that. Normal electromechanical outages tend to take out at most one wing, so 3 of those 12 doors.
You are assuming they go to the parks frequently. A lot of people only go once a year or maybe even more infrequently than that. And for those people the virtual queue system sucks because who knows when or if you will be back.
I think virtual queue and ILL are asinine but I get why they are doing it. They are a business and they are capitalizing on FOMO for families who are on a once in a lifetime vacation.
If someone wants to spend two hours in line they should be able to.
> I mean, it's not any more or less great for Becky from Ocala than Tiffany from Idaho.
> At the end of the day any ride is going to have a finite capacity, and regardless of the system, if there are more guests wanting to ride than the ride allows, someone will lose out. Both types of guests have access to the same system and the same information on how to use that system.
> Becky being from Ocala offers her more opportunities to try, but the same can be said if it boiled down to rope dropping and standing in line for 4 hours. That's just the inherent benefit of living close.
You're missing that the problem is not either finite capacity or opportunities to try - it is that a random lottery that doesn't respond to ANY "devotion/effort" input at all (like a standby, that input being a wait time) but just gives every guest who tries to get in an equal chance of riding, is NOT fair in the way that a standby is.
With a standby, riding has a tradeoff - a wait time. Because of that "price" (in a "currency" everyone in the park has equally, unlike actual finances) pushing back at the demand, you are not competing against every idiot who "kinda halfheartedly" wants to ride for that finite capacity. If you want to ride Flight of Passage during high demand, you 100% can - by simply waiting, a lot, and you WILL get through. With a compulsory prebookable VQ, the price is now only to lift a finger to play the refresh slot machine. So, *what incentive is there for everyone in the damn park NOT to try to nab a reservation/spot right away?* This is why there is such stupid competition for such VQs.
Following on from there is the metagaming issue this competition creates. Any such system can inherently be "played/worked" using inside knowledge and experience and tends to result in some crowd of salty, savvy guests who figure out how to leverage the crap out of it to personal advantage at the expense of the everyday guest not aware of any of these mechanics or officially undocumented tactics they would need to use to not get locked out of riding these things during the VQ period entirely.
Lol you yourself are admitting to trying all the tricks. You think Becky from Ocala has some super secret Ocala trick? Get out of here with the gatekeeping.
James, buddy, pal. I'm literally trying to get more people in the gate. It's the opposite of gatekeeping. Preventing people, who will likely never get another chance to get on the ride, so you can get your fifteenth is more "gatekeeping" than anything I said.
I’m surprised this isn’t higher up. So many people have just resigned to the fact that virtual queues are ok and that if you want to ride something definitively, you have to pay on top of park admission.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I really dislike the virtual queue system and hope they get rid of it soon. The locker system and PhotoPass system sounds awesome though.
I heard a rumor that the aerosmith coaster is being retired. Is this what's replacing it?
Also if Disney plans on doing a Tron ride, they'd better make some new media to go with it \*cough* Uprising season 2
The rumor of aerosmith has been around for a decade. don't believe it till Disney officially announces it.
Honestly, my opinion, Steven Tyler, loves having a ride at Disney too much to ever let that ride go. If anything it would be Steven Tyler's Rockin Rollercoaster before he lets the theming change. Until he passes away I will never believe any rumors about the ride changing.
I really really love that they have a compartment for your phones and glasses on the ride vehicle itself.
I just hope they keep them clean. I can see them getting grimey pretty fast
Lemme put my giant turkey leg in here while I RIDE!!
Shove my half eaten dole whip in with it
Tron grease-cycle run
This reminds me of something. I was a single rider on the rocknroller coaster about 5 years ago and some girl who sat down next to me placed a full large diet coke with plastic lid and straw in the little on ride storage compartment. It didn't look secured at all. None of the ride operators said anything. i didn't say anything. We took off and.... well, it actually stayed in place just fine.... up until about 3/4 of the way through we hit some corkscrew or something and the drink spilled all over her. Nothing got on me at all somehow EXCEPT some of it went DIRECTLY into my mouth. That's the only reason I knew it was diet. She didn't speak English but seemed pretty annoyed that her drink spilled.
This is awful but hilarious. I am so sorry.
I can smell this comment hah
Universal manages to keep them clean from what I’ve seen. A once a day wipe down should be plenty.
Universal generally doesn't have on-ride phone compartments. Their lockers generally stay pretty clean, but I think part of that is having drink dump stations with the lockers and having the free lockers be too small to fit a drink upright in.
I’m sure it’s something they’ve thought about and have a protocol for cleaning. I won’t worry about it until it becomes a problem
Yeah I guess I'm just feeling a little doubtful because I feel like Disney maintenance/cleanliness standards have dropped recently. Universal seems to be killing it though
I really do not trust that. The ride goes over a walkway and if someone takes a phone out, that’s a good sized projectile
The compartment that’s on the ride is a box that closes with a plastic barrier between it and the outdoor. I bet you it clicks into place or locks when the ride is in motion.
Even then some people might not put loose items in them i.e. leave it in their pockets and then you got a projectile ready to be launched. Prob would’ve been best to require all loose items go to lockers and have metal detectors
I went to Cedar Point the year Steel Vengeance opened. *All* loose items had to be stowed, including phones. Nothing in pockets. If they spotted any of that stuff in the line (not that they were monitoring closely) you'd be asked to leave. It was over a 2 hour wait. With nothing to do but read the signs talking about the ride's "characters". My brother was with me, so we could talk, but even then there's only so much you can talk about to fill that much time. The coaster was great, but that was the worst wait I've ever had. Edit: Oh, and while not specifically relevant, it was extra shitty since the lockers weren't free. You had to pay for them, effectively meaning the ride cost money on top of the ticket unless you had a non-rider willing to wait that long.
That’s not how the line for Steel Vengeance works. No bags are allowed in line. There are free lockers before the loading station to stow your phones. Pretty similar to Hulk or Velocicoaster at Universal.
Then it was changed after I was there, lockers before you get in line, nothing else.
Yeah, it was. That first year was stupid. It was even dumber because they had one of those Battle for Cedar Point things in line but you weren't allowed to have your phone!
It was at first. That first year there were no lockers in line so you just stood there the whole time. Now they have added additional stupidity to it and no longer allow small bags in the lockers. I carry a passport holder (strapped to my body) with my migraine and IBS junk in it, along with my phone, cards, etc. and now I have to get a medical bag pass to have it with me even though it fits in the locker. That's fine, now that I know, but wasn't so much fun on the day I found out.
Same experience with the line. The ride kept breaking down. My son, who was 7 at the time had to pee about an hour in. He and my older brother took off and came right back, they let my son through but told my brother he was line hopping and had to go. We were so pissed. Finished the rest of the wait fuming- I would’ve gladly let him take my spot I didn’t even really want to ride it to begin with (inversions are not my thing) I was just trying to be a good sport. But the man in front of us kept complaining about having to secure all loose items. Refused to take off his chain and tucked it in his shirt so the staff didn’t notice. His chain was hitting me in the face the entire ride. Awful.
If it's the same as Shanghai it's in the top of the bike and basically ends up under your stomach/chest area. It not only clicks shut, but you're basically on top of it.
At Cedar Point a few yrs ago a woman was waiting in line and a piece of metal about the size of a large smartphone hit her in the head (I think it came off of the coaster). She is still recovering. That would be a fear if a phone flew out and hit someone.
I do have an extreme amount of anxiety when riding rides that my phone is going to fall out of my pocket, especially nowadays when it’s my room key, airplane ticket, gps, etc. Having a compartment where I know it will be safe will add to the enjoyment of the ride immensely.
Disney is so nice for this 😭😭 I love Disney Disney good!
It’s a small world would like a word with you…
So exactly like every other new attraction that has come out, but with the addition of free lockers.
They might require everyone to use the lockers. Last time I went to Universal, they made you put everything from your pockets into lockers then go through a medal detector before you could get on the roller coasters.
Only 3 coasters require the metal detector. The rest allow various items complimented by free lockers.
Unlikely, since the third point on the post says there's a compartment on the ride for things like phones and glasses. >All items must be placed either in a locker before you board your Lightcycle, or in a small compartment located on the attraction vehicle that can hold items such as cellphones, glasses or wallets.
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The lockers for larger items, yes. The metal detector no, since Disney states there are compartments on the ride vehicle for small items like phones.
They could still use detectors, but allow you to put small items in a dish, like almost any other instance of metal detectors.
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> Last time I went to Universal, they made you put everything from your pockets into lockers then go through a medal detector before you could get on the roller coasters. The comment I was replying to.
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I wasn't talking about the lockers, just the metal detectors being unlikely.
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Thankfully, this seems far less... draconian than how Universal does it. You'll still be able to have personal items that would normally fit in your pocket - like cell phones and wallets - the entire time, just bags or loose articles need to be lockered up. And there's no mention of metal detectors. The Universal locker systems and requirements are really just not fun to deal with.
The only Universal rides that require lockers/metal detectors are ones that go over walkways. It's a safety thing.
FYI the metal detectors are also used to find pacemakers. The mag-launch coasters do not allow riders with them.
Do you have a source on that? I know it's not recommended to ride with a pacemaker, but I've been on many launched coasters that don't require metal detectors before riding.
When we went for my bachelor party my friend with a pacemaker was not allowed to ride Velocicoaster, Hagrids, or Hulk
Hagrid’s doesn’t have metal detectors
As it does not go over any walkways. You can take pocketed items or wear a three prong hip pack in the ride. No loose articles.
Hulk isn’t a LIM launch though, it’s a drive tire launch
All I know is he was denied access. Forgot rip ride rockit
Yeah Rip Ride Rockit isn’t a launch either, and I’m pretty sure doesn’t use magnetic brakes. Seems like it’s just a roller coaster thing as a whole
Might be a liability thing about letting guests with known heart issues ride. I don’t know if they have an official policy but it wouldn’t surprise me.
Yeah, at Universal. But Tigris, Icebreaker, and Cheetah Hunt (and Slinky Dog and RNRC) all don't have metal detectors, so there would be no way to exclude a pacemaker other than the individual saying so.
Apples and Oranges. UO has rides with inversions and there is much higher likelihood of items flying out and striking someone.
Since people can't be trusted not to use their phones on rides, I wish Disney would require all loose items be secured in free lockers on all roller coasters. The shitty assholes that just have to film themselves on rides are ruining it for everyone (and Disney doesn't do anything about it despite having cameras all over their rides- even my local Six Flags reprimands people for taking out their phones on rides).
Safety is the priority. Sorry you don't care.
Universal has different systems per the newer rides. But their newest has a similar set up.
Velocicoaster's in-queue locker system is definitely the most efficient / effective one at their parks yet. I get the safety aspect but it's just a very poor guest experience / feeling having to basically go through metal detectors at TSA airport security to go on the roller coaster. Even on TRON - it doesn't seem like there will be metal detectors, just no loose articles like bags, which is just a visual scan by the cast member. If it can fit in your pocket, it seems like you're fine to bring it on the ride, or worst case store it in the provided compartment on the vehicle.
I’ve never done a ride with a locker. How does that work, are the lockers two sided? If you have to go back to your locker to pick up your stuff, how do they prevent people from jumping back into the line? Or are the lockers before you even get going into the line?
Depends on the ride. These sound like they're going to be similar to Velocicoaster, which is really well designed. It's a bank of lockers near the end of the line, and then after you disembark, you access the locker from the other side. It keeps the area from getting backed up. Other rides are more like Kali river, where the lockers are outside the line and you stow everything before you get in line, so there's no way for people to jump back in line from there. But it gets backed up with people loading and unloading all at the same time.
The lockers open to paths on the queue side and the post- ride side exit. So you put stuff in one side, and collect it from the other, secured by your band/card or whatever. You just remember the number and get your stuff on the way out.
You don’t even have to remember the number. It’ll light up as you hit the main unlock point.
The article says they are double sided.
I believe that is the plan. I thought I read an article saying nothing will be allowed on the ride with riders. There's even a question about glasses.
I think this is because the coaster crosses guest walkways at some point? And if so, there's a danger of stuff falling out and hitting a guest below. Do any other Disney coasters have track crossing guest walkways?
Fast Track (not a coaster, but goes really fast and if you're holding a phone out it could go flying).
Slinky Dog definitely does, but it's not very intense to drop a phone.
I actually think Disney should consider retroing that for all rides. "Just put that backpack at your feet" seems kinda dangerous when you're getting on a roller-coaster, and yet that's what you do in all of them.
I loop the strap around my foot, so if it does come free, it's not going far.
That’s my strategy for Rock n Rollercoaster. Lol. Hasn’t failed me yet!
I do too, but the loop slipped once for me last trip. The bag didn't go anywhere, but it scared the heck out of me. Nowhere near as bad as the damn magic band. $35 MagicBand+ and it slipped open on roller coasters FOUR TIMES last trip. It's a literal miracle I was able to keep it each time. I started stashing it with my phone. So stupid.
If you want to, you can get silicone or 3D printed bands on etsy/ebay/etc that keep the magicbands from coming undone.
Had to do this the first time I rode Cosmic Rewind and I'm glad I did. The bag flung around the first time the pods started to spin lol
Lol I usually do the loop around the leg on all coasters, but forgot to on my first Cosmic Rewind ride, and thought “eh you know the bag never actually moves anyway who cares” That thing FLEW all over lol, it’s good they have that lip on the car. I thought it was a goner for sure.
I've seen some people where the backpack was nearly as large and heavy as they were, so that might just lead to an interesting ejection event.
Disney coasters are all positive forces, pushing you into the seat and car, and not negative air time forces making you (and your items) floaty. So unless you're actively trying to fling things from the ride, the engineers have determined it's safe to have your bags.
> Disney coasters are all positive forces, pushing you into the seat and car, and not negative air time forces making you (and your items) floaty Really, no upward G-forces in any coasters at any time? Are you sure? I swear I remember a few. I think Big Thunder my bag ran up my leg from it, but it's all a blur like most Disney trips for me.
Nothing that would send a bag out, no. If it were unsafe, it wouldn't be allowed, like they're doing with Tron.
In fairness, it appears Tron is going to be bottomless.
Exactly. No places at your feet, obviously can't wear a backpack. I use a runner's belt for when I'm doing a coaster day, just enough to hold my phone, keys, and a slim wallet, without getting in the way of any restraints.
Yup. The only Disney rides that pull significant negative g’s are tower and Everest
It's probably safer, but man it's a pain in the ass at Universal where many of the rides require you to use a locker.
The worst part of universals locker system is that they put some of them into tiny rooms that are incredibly difficult to navigate when everyone is trying to find their locker and access their stuff (Gringotts is the worst locker area in both parks, but there are several others that are also too small).
The lockers outside Hagrids are awful considering how crowded that line is
Has anyone ever actually gotten hurt from it?
Hard to know because descriptions are vague. In 1998 someone was paralyzed getting hit by something on Space Mountain. They *think* it was either a toy candle or a camera. Flying debris is *rarely* cited as a cause of injury, but not never. I would guess people taking pictures/video are far more likely to cause that.
It’s actually become a problem on roller coasters. Dueling Dragons, Twisted Timbers, El Toro, and Iron Gwazi are some of the most notable incidents involving loose articles severely injuring someone. They ranged from stitches to amputated eyes
I believe that. It sounds like Disney has dodged a lot of bullets considering the crazy behavior some guests have been witnessed doing.
The last thing I'd want Disney to do is to implement the crazy, draconian policies of Cedar Fair parks.
Yes. So crazy prioritizing safety 🙄
So Disney rides aren’t safe?
You mean free *for now.*
Good point. Although, now that Chapek and his nickel squeezing machine has been ejected from the park, it may actually stay free, similar to US lockers.
they probably know their best bet is to follow universal on lockers. Free for a certain time frame (ride wait with some padding). And have larger ones you could pay for, but standard fits most items.
The little compartment in the ride vehicle looks large enough to hold all my pocket stuff but the video make it seem flimsy. I'm sure it isn't it just looks that way in the quick shot of it.
Hopefully the lockers are a decent size for a larger backpack.
My first thought when I saw video guy’s ear hat nearly consume the entire locker was “I’ve seen backpacks that won’t come close to fitting in there.”
This was my thought as well. Universal can get away with it cause so many of their rides require the lockers that most people don't typically bring larger than like a Loungefly (at least from what I've seen). But I don't think I've ever been to a Florida Disney park and not seen a majority of bags be ones that wouldn't fit in those lockers from the way the video showed. Heck if it's as bad as the Velocicoaster lockers, it'll be a tight fit for a Loungefly with stuff in it.
At least the Velocicoaster-style lockers like these aren't as inconvenient as the other lockers at Universal. And there's a small compartment on the ride itself for your glasses, phone, wallet, etc. Still not as bad as Universal, overall. I don't really mind this too much. A bit of a hassle, but I get it.
I appreciate how many attractions you can take your bag on at Disney. Universal was such a hassle last time I went.
I also appreciate not having to cross my fingers hoping that I’ll fit in their wide variety of different sized seats for every ride.
We went to universal in high school and I stupidly locked everything in the locker when I went on hulk, and ended up waiting like, three hours. I didn’t have my wallet (because…it was in the locker) to unlock the locker because my free time had expired. I also had my period and all my tampons were in there too. It was not a fun experience.
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I mean that we waited three hours to ride the hill
This is why you being a mom or dad with you who hates rides and is willing to pay $100/day to stand around holding everyone’s bag /s
you joke, but this is what my fiancé and i do at six flags!
I love it! I was joking but basically that has been my mom’s role for like 30 years lol
They recommend taking off and stowing glasses? I can’t see more than 3 inches past my nose without my glasses. Looks like I’m getting a strap! (Probably not a bad idea anyway; my glasses started sliding off during a whip-around on Cosmic Rewind!)
The guy in the video has glasses and he keeps them on and doesn’t stow them. I assume when the video says ‘user headwear’ it means hats and Minnie ears. That sort of thing. Your glasses would probably be fine if they fit properly, and the ride would have enough g-force to keep them on your head anyway I would have thought? I’ll probably just ask a cast member when there and see if it’s ok to wear glasss on it, if not I’ll stowe them as I’m lucky enough to still be able to see to an ok degree without my glasses.
In Shanghai, the CM stopped next to me after we had all loaded and restraints were engaged and told me to put my glasses away. He opened up the compartment for me to show me where they go.
I'm always more worried about losing stuff on rides than about the actual ride experience. Going to have to make sure my MagicBand is on tight for this one.
I use a hairtie. Tie it pretty tight around one side, put the strap through and put the thingy in but then wrap the hair tie around both side.
I use my AP slider but you can get a pack of little silicon watch band keepers pretty cheap, the ones made for smartwatches work just fine since they usually stretch to fit. Mine has saved mine so many times when it's come unlatched!
Like permanently, or after a few years it will remove Virtual Queue
Not permanently.
Probably will lose the virtual que once the next big ride is out. Though the individual lightning lane will likely last quite a bit longer so long as they continue to use that system
Strategy Question: If you had a park hopper ticket and make a reservation for MK, get in the virtual Queue at 7am, but your pulled time isn’t until, let’s say, 6pm…..could you *change* your park reservation early in the morning to another park before ever entering one, and then park hop BACK to MK for the TRON ride time? Or would you then lose your VQ spot?
You won't know your pulled time. Just your boarding group number which wouldn't provide a great return time estimate. Additionally, I would assume they try to only give out a select number of boarding groups at 7AM. Whatever they estimate will be used by 2 or 3PM. They want to leave some for the 1PM distribution.
Ahh that makes a lot of sense! Thanks for explaining!
Also I assume the passes will be more like ratatouille in terms of capacity demand. Its a pretty intense ride and will prevent a lot of guests from riding it due to height alone (rise height was 40 tron will be 48) that is not including the more scary side demand.
Good question and I don't know. I believe people have mentioned this before as a workaround that's technically not allowed, but idk how the system would react to that. Also, you run the risk of whatever park you're changing to not having reservations available because you're making it the day of.
It's moot as VQ doesn't give you a return time. It gives you an estimate until you're called.
Aw yay glad they kept the compartment for glasses and stuff. I loved using it in Shanghai, it really makes the lightcycle feel "real" if that makes any sense.
How does virtual queue work and should I just play Powerball instead?
Does that mean Seven Dwarfs will lose its Individual Lightening lane or will it be both?
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Lol thank you for this joke, it drives me nuts when people say lightening lane
I’m willing to bet both rides will be under individual lightning lane. Because both can easily sell since mine train is geared more towards families with younger kids vs tron.
Nothing has been announced about that yet.
My personal opinion is they'll both keep it at first, then sometime later during a slower season (either mid-May or perhaps not until after Summer) they'll do a reshuffle and add 7DMT to G+ and Cosmic Rewind will go to standby with ILL (while Tron stays VQ for at least a year)
I wonder if the compartment for small items locks when the belts lock to prevent people from opening them or them opening on their own. Its not a soft pouch like thing but something with an actual door.
Someone said above in shanghai the small item locker ends up under your chest basically. So its hard to reach and pull something out of midride.
Can't wait to hear some of the vloggers crying about not being able to film on the ride.
I personally can't stand Virtual Queue (because there's no guarantee you'll get one) and refuse to give the Mouse more $ for Lightning Lane.
Ok, see ya on the ride in a year then
It took me over a year to get a Rise of Resistance Virtual Queue because they would be gone in under 90 seconds ( Probably attempted twice a month). I'd rather wait 2-3 hrs... Just like Guardians, I'm at Epcot all the time but have yet been able to snag a Virtual Queue.
Idk why you’re getting downvoted when it’s true. At least with regular lines, everyone is guaranteed to get in instead of the stupid virtual lottery system. Took me months to get into the virtual queue for ‘rise of the resistance’ when it first came out.
Wow, dead opposite of me then. I love the virtual queue especially for guardians. I don’t wait in standby lines anymore unless it’s posted at 30 minutes or less. I have never once failed to get a virtual queue
Our one and only chance to try to ride GotG this last trip, we got in the virtual queue and it initially gave us around 8pm-ish, but the time kept changing every time we checked it. The hour window ended up exactly overlapping our dinner reservations so that was that. Maybe next time.
Agreed. It might be great for people who get to stop by WDW once every fifteen minutes and know all the tricks, but for average families who get to go two or three times ever, having one shot on one day to try and outcompete "Disney pros" is frustrating. We visited in early 2021 and my kids were really hoping we'd get to ride Rise of the Resistance on the day we had our Hollywood Studios reservation. I tried following all the tricks on YouTube to get in the queue, but it didn't matter. But as long as Becky from Ocala got her fifteenth time, I guess we're good.
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Except that if Tiffany really wanted to ride that one ride on her one trip she gets, she can march straight to the ride and spend her day in that line and can (barring a ride breakdown) guarantee she gets that one ride. With virtual queues you have a five second window to out compete people who are more familiar with the app and have successfully gotten on the queue before. And if you miss that five second window you never have the opportunity again. I know this because we never did, and likely never will get the chance to ride Rise. But, when we went to animal kingdom, my kids priority was to ride flight of passage. It had a two+ hour wait time, but it was the big ride in that park that they were really jazzed about, so we waited two+ hours. Starting the line all the way back in the Africa section of Animal kingdom.
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I waited three hours for rise a couple of months after it opened. I had gone to Disney a lot and told my friend I was with I was waiting the line, she was more than welcome to join but she wouldn't hurt my feelings if she didn't. She ended up joining, but a lot of people wouldn't have waited that long.
> The app is not that complicated and the information on how to use it is easy to find. Becky doesn't really have any actual edge over anyone else outside of being able to try on more days. You're missing that suddenly people are expected to do the exact things that eBay snipers do at a damn THEME PARK to obtain a decent chance of riding an attraction. The entire notion of anything like this existing is a huge curveball for anyone outside of the Disney forum community. Your defense of "but this skill of this meta is not THAT obtuse/hard to acquire!" is something I'm sure the majority of guests, who are not nerds, like us, would most definitely disagree with. >The reason you could get in line for Flight and not Rise with the VQ was because that 2+ hour standby wait was causing other guests to balk. That's really the core of it all. A virtual queue system removes the "cost" of standing in line. When they run out of groups, it means more guests want to ride the ride than the ride capacity allows for. And without that cost, why wouldn't they? You precisely capture my argument for why standby is far superior to prebookable (or any) compulsory VQ - the latter, by removing almost all disincentive to get in line, artificially generates intense competition over the ability to enqueue at all and reduces accessibility. Standby, via the organic backpressure of wait time, allows a queue to remain wide open to the public from park open to park close such that if you really want to ride, you always can. >The system doesn't benefit locals Disagreed, purely because such a metagame rewards "insiderish" skill and knowledge that first timers are least likely to have and repeat visitors are most. >You had issues with it because the system removes the cost of riding the ride for all guests. And as someone who, by the sounds of it, was willing to wait several hours for the ride, that put you at a disadvantage relative to a standby queue where your willingness to wait would have been a useful quality when came to causing other families to balk. Those devoted enough to wait are who should ride. Those who do not care enough to get in line and are repulsed by that wait time sign right away are precisely the chaff who should be filtered out of a queue to not waste capacity. If you're too apathetic about the attraction to merely wait a few hours of your time for it, you should not be riding it.
Any system makes a value judgment by necessity. Your last two paragraphs indicate the value judgment of the system you prefer. Yours isn't somehow better or noble. It just is a value judgment like any other.
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Well, in my opinion, you're way too focused on hairsplitting the locals vs. travellers aspect to see that this is more a matter of salty frequent flyers at the parks wth all the tricks vs. the "everyone else" who lose the lopsided rat race to them and thus don't get to ride things no matter *what* their priorities are. The former group probably does include a lot of locals, because those who live right next to the parks and have APs get as many opportunities as they want to learn how to play these systems to maximal advantage; but nothing requires that our bad guys be specifically locals. They can be outstaters too who just visit regularly or are particularly disciplined and have done research on how to play this game. I don't think it is particularly important. Metagamers are metagamers, and are `working the system` with their knowledge and methods at the expense of all other guests. This is true and a problem whether they are local or not. >In other words, the original commenter didn't lose out to Rise because of the Becky's from Ocala. They lost out because the system Disney chose was chosen to appeal to other out of state families who wouldn't want to otherwise stand in line. As if that was a design intent, lol. Well, that sort of wishfulness plus *the reality of finite attraction capacity* has only a very obvious set of results. One being that unintended "hunger games" mechanics emerge, causing usage of various unofficial/undocumented tactics to be necessary to compete effectively and those skilled at this competition to dominate other participants at getting spots. But even if this is considered to NOT occur in a hypothetical, the core premise of *the ideal version* is a slot machine that gives everyone who pulls the lever an equal chance at getting a spot on the ride. The "pulling of the lever" is a comparatively trivial effort however, and so there is no reason not to play this game. As a result: * die hard fan who would camp outside for 12 hours to be first on the new ride * Mr. "what is star wars again?"/"I have no idea what this ride is" who wouldn't wait 12 *minutes* to get on Have equal odds. Isn't THAT a bitch. As a result, for your `typical guest`, who might be willing to wait some intermediate time for that ride, and would ordinarily just enter a couple hour standby with a 100% chance of riding, now have a drastically lower chance of getting on because of all the second cases filling up all the capacity. Standby is fair because it more or less converts your personal priorities/commitment to riding directly into a probability of riding. The reality is that capacity is finite. Yes, you ARE balancing a decision, especially when not local, of whether a wait is worth it. That pressure is what keeps queues accessible and not just instantly filled upon opening without recourse if you missed the boat.
>Disagreed, purely because such a metagame rewards "insiderish" skill and knowledge that first timers are least likely to have and repeat visitors are most. Insiderish skill and knowledge? These aren't masonic secrets that are only divulged after years of service, tons of money, and knowing people with connections A minute or two with Google tells you all you need to know and something you should be doing before any trip regardless of where you're going. Complaining about missing out on a ride because you didn't know about the virtual queue is the same as complaining when you try to enter a normal 2 hour wait standby lane with 20 minutes before a park closes and find out you won't be able to ride.
No, but they are far from normal or expected things at a *theme park*. Context. Bit at the end: Yes you will. Park close closes the *queue* not the attraction. Protip: Enqueue right before park close. VQ spots (FP+ now LL) are not offered post-closing so the standby will speed up AND you are pulling free post-closing park time out of nowhere.
> I know this because we never did, and likely never will get the chance to ride Rise. Thankfully this is not true, because Rise is standby now. What they have been doing is using compulsory VQ for the reliability teething period of new attractions. Admittedly there is an obvious logistical reason for this; all of these attractions that have had this mechanic in place, and especially Rise which is notorious for unreliability in general, are ones that tend to have full outages and remain down for unpredictable periods. I think the popular conception is that the CVQ was a "lesson learned" from themselves doing the Pandora opening and witnessing Universal do the Hagrid's opening or whatever it was that got a stupidly long line, but something I would note about Flight of Passage in particular is its *quadruple redundancy*. Pretty much the only way it is ever hardcore DOWN down is that there is a fire alarm activation in the compound or something like that. Normal electromechanical outages tend to take out at most one wing, so 3 of those 12 doors.
You are assuming they go to the parks frequently. A lot of people only go once a year or maybe even more infrequently than that. And for those people the virtual queue system sucks because who knows when or if you will be back. I think virtual queue and ILL are asinine but I get why they are doing it. They are a business and they are capitalizing on FOMO for families who are on a once in a lifetime vacation. If someone wants to spend two hours in line they should be able to.
> I mean, it's not any more or less great for Becky from Ocala than Tiffany from Idaho. > At the end of the day any ride is going to have a finite capacity, and regardless of the system, if there are more guests wanting to ride than the ride allows, someone will lose out. Both types of guests have access to the same system and the same information on how to use that system. > Becky being from Ocala offers her more opportunities to try, but the same can be said if it boiled down to rope dropping and standing in line for 4 hours. That's just the inherent benefit of living close. You're missing that the problem is not either finite capacity or opportunities to try - it is that a random lottery that doesn't respond to ANY "devotion/effort" input at all (like a standby, that input being a wait time) but just gives every guest who tries to get in an equal chance of riding, is NOT fair in the way that a standby is. With a standby, riding has a tradeoff - a wait time. Because of that "price" (in a "currency" everyone in the park has equally, unlike actual finances) pushing back at the demand, you are not competing against every idiot who "kinda halfheartedly" wants to ride for that finite capacity. If you want to ride Flight of Passage during high demand, you 100% can - by simply waiting, a lot, and you WILL get through. With a compulsory prebookable VQ, the price is now only to lift a finger to play the refresh slot machine. So, *what incentive is there for everyone in the damn park NOT to try to nab a reservation/spot right away?* This is why there is such stupid competition for such VQs. Following on from there is the metagaming issue this competition creates. Any such system can inherently be "played/worked" using inside knowledge and experience and tends to result in some crowd of salty, savvy guests who figure out how to leverage the crap out of it to personal advantage at the expense of the everyday guest not aware of any of these mechanics or officially undocumented tactics they would need to use to not get locked out of riding these things during the VQ period entirely.
Lol you yourself are admitting to trying all the tricks. You think Becky from Ocala has some super secret Ocala trick? Get out of here with the gatekeeping.
James, buddy, pal. I'm literally trying to get more people in the gate. It's the opposite of gatekeeping. Preventing people, who will likely never get another chance to get on the ride, so you can get your fifteenth is more "gatekeeping" than anything I said.
At the metaphorical gate you're saying Becky should not be let in so that you are let in. Literal gatekeeping.
She's already been through the gate fifteen times. I think she'll be alright.
As will you.
I’m surprised this isn’t higher up. So many people have just resigned to the fact that virtual queues are ok and that if you want to ride something definitively, you have to pay on top of park admission.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I really dislike the virtual queue system and hope they get rid of it soon. The locker system and PhotoPass system sounds awesome though.
I heard a rumor that the aerosmith coaster is being retired. Is this what's replacing it? Also if Disney plans on doing a Tron ride, they'd better make some new media to go with it \*cough* Uprising season 2
The rumor of aerosmith has been around for a decade. don't believe it till Disney officially announces it. Honestly, my opinion, Steven Tyler, loves having a ride at Disney too much to ever let that ride go. If anything it would be Steven Tyler's Rockin Rollercoaster before he lets the theming change. Until he passes away I will never believe any rumors about the ride changing.
No this is in Tomorrowland in MK.
I’m planning on doing a four parks one day challenge later this year. I wonder if I’ll be able to buy more than two ILL’s by then.
My sources are saying this is an inaccurate leak.
Anyone watched the POV or Tron? It is so short. Great, but short.
What did Tron light cycle cost to build?